Hawks re-sign Ivan Johnson

did they really? wow!

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BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

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Glad Ivan is back. I’m looking forward to watching what should be a formidable and diverse set of bigs in Al, Josh, Zaza and Ivan.

Still hard to understand how his 11 points and 6 boards earned him Rookie of the Month honors in April.

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Welcome back IVAN…sure glad we got tha ANIMAL back.lol

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Dang…my bad.

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bout time!
Its Clobbering time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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glad he’s back!

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YES! It’s funny more and more I’m thinking we’re going to be better than most people realize everyone always talking about we lost Joe Johnson means we’re complete ish now.

When the reality is Joe Johnson became pretty bad after awhile anyways.

Our new Big 3 in Teague, Josh, and Horford is something I can get behind and I’m not trying to start any arguments I’m just saying you got to be optimistic more than ever.

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EFTPB

Sautee

September 18th, 2012
12:10 am

“Hey slimjr, look who’s leading the league in QB rating. [2 games? Really?]

Congrats Falcons. Good game..”

[5-10]
Peyton was terrible and still made it interesting..Hmmmm

Whole lot of football left to play and then there’s the

[Playoffs]……. Yawn…

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Good move…

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“Johnson’s temper did get him into trouble on a couple occasions. Coach Larry Drew sent Johnson home from a game in Orlando and fined him after Johnson argued with teammates on the bench. The NBA also fined Johnson $25,000 for giving fans the middle finger while leaving the court following Atlanta’s final playoff loss to Boston.”

I have said on more than one occasion in the past that Vivlamore likes a bit of scandal. He tends to go out of his way to stir up controversy. The above paragraph is another case in point.

I wonder, however, if Vivlamore would have posted that last paragraph if training camp were in session and he had to be in the same room as Ivan.

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With Ivan signed and JWilliams waived, we now have a 15 man roster, although that could change before the season starts, especially if we invite KBenson and he shows well. How many of you think JJenkins has a chance of winning the starting SG spot? Depending on who wins the SF battle, especially if its DJames, his deadly shooting could really open things up.

Starting him would also solidify our backup positions, especially at PG. I posted a scouting report on DJames, which was done before his foot injury, and he seems to be exactly what Ferry is looking for at SF. He’s strong and physical inside, aggressive on the boards, especially the OFF boards, finishes strong, and has a decent midrange gm.

Having a deadeye shooter like Jenkins feed the post would make it almost impossible to double team the post.

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good move! cant wait to see ivan, josh, zaza, and al together for a full season.

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I think we’ll neither better nor worse than last season, and that’s saying a lot with losing Joe Johnson. Glad Ivan is back! Loving the changes thus far! This season should be interesting.

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J – we will be better.

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I’m more on the side of us being better too. I think everybody is glad that the “Contract” and the “Bust” are out of town. We still need a quality small forward but the rest of the team looks good. Hoping all these three point shooters will slow Smoove down on his outside (or lack thereof) jump shot.

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Ken Strickland, whatzup bro…I don’t think he will start…remember he’s still a rookie…HOWEVER, I think it’s going to be hard not to scrap out some PT.

I like what I seen in the Summer League…they was right…He can Shoot It!

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“I thought the article I posted was provocative because it proposed that Ryan was the successor to Peyton. Ryan hasn’t won a playoff game. Falcons didn’t even score offensively in last year’s playoffs. Its ludicrous to suggest that Ryan is the second coming of Peyton Manning.”

In Ryan’s defense, Peyton didn’t win a playoff game until his 6th year, when he went to the AFC Championship Game. With that said, out of all the Super Bowl winning QBs in the league, Peyton easily took the longest to get to that point. So if Ryan is going to reach that level 5+ years into his career, he’s going to have to follow Peyton’s footsteps in that respect.

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Morning slimjr I see u are still UP to your old tricks!

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Why start Harris at the 2? Morrow, Jenkins, and Lou are better scorers? We need the starting 2 to be a outside threat.

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alex, as of right now, Ivan IS an ATLANTA STAR who is WAKING UP THIS CITY!! He’s already on the HIGH’S for Charles Barkley. Now with him re-signing and getting buzz on NBATV, I think this SHOULD be his year to continue to excite not only Atlanta but the NBA!!

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funny how we use that as a measure of greatness in qb’s like it is all them. to be rationale, guess at some time i need to go back and concoct a list of all the qb’s in super bowls vs those that never made it but had great careers and see what we are really talking about. some of them never did anything beyond that.

would anyone want sanchez here instead of ryan, though he has gone a lot further than the qb of our team. is chris miller really that much better than ryan? even the great qb from denver had a lot of downers and disappointments before he achieved greatness by some people’s narrow standard. this discussion continues over to basketball of course. sometimes it is being in the right place at the right time and that is all it boils down to.

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I finally changed my starting lineup for opening night with the roster as-is.
PG-Teague SG-Williams SF-Korver PF-Smith C-Horford
I like that lineup because that is our best offensive players at each position and no one can focus on 1 single guy to shut down because that is too much collective offense to handle. I realize Lou and Korver are our weaker defenders but we will be athletic enough to force bad shots. I orginally wanted Jeff Lou Josh Al ZaZa to start but I think there’d be a lack of offensive flow and our bench would be pretty weak. With Korver starting we can let ZaZa and Ivan come in for our bigs and Devin Harris can rotate at the 1 and 2 more often. I like John Jenkins but he will not play much until after the all-star break when he can observe the game first hand a bit more. If morrow is still on the team along with Stevenson and Petro they will be role plyers playing on appropriate matchups. We will be around the 48-34 mark and i’d think a top 5 seed.

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Al’s been working with Tito on his moves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVTE5xZwKc8

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WELCOME BACK BIG DOG IVAN.

BIG DOGS IN THE HOUSE

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the biggest thing will be how ld handles the rotations. He has a lot of options and lineups he can throw out there

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to all the Teague lovers,

The guy may not survive the year in a Hawks uniform. The league has proven that good point guards are in surplus currently and there will be more value in a player (guard) who can manage situations better when running teams. We are talent-wise comparable to Milwaukee but structure is what will make us a better team. Teague has less experience running offenses than Devin Harris (just a fact) and LD does not have the luxury of worrying about a youngster running his psuedo-offense. Except for an injury, JTO is trade bait, people. Devin Harris is a former All-star who is a true talent and an experienced player. If Devin Harris and Josh Smith click, everybody else’s roster spots will be up for grabs.

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I need a Ivan Johnson mask to wear for Halloween.

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@tjhook

Im a Teague lover, but not sure what you smokin if you think Teague is trade bait. Devin is most likely a one year rental. Unless he reverts back the all star type he was when he first got to New Jersey (which I seriously doubt). Sure, he is still a solid nba player and can contribute here but the Hawks dont see him as a building block. And as with most professional leagues, its set up for certain players to be successful and players to fit roles, even more so with the economics. In theory, the Hawks would like to see a combo of Teague and Harris work well together. If Teague has a great year, he gets rewarded with a new contract. If Harris has a good year, combined with what he made last year, is gonna want to command more money than the Hawks would want to invest in him. Teague is younger so am sure its better for building the team invest in him.

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I agree with glw – but I also agree with tjhook. The way LD has treated JT0, it may be the same when he gave KH the starting job. It will be a lot tougher now since the NBA world has seen JT0 play – although LD can always say he is starting a former All-Star. In any event JT0 has to come to play.

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ag,

I see Lou more as a finisher than a starter..fire power off the bench

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@MsDee,

The answer comes from @glw at12:41 I dont see Jenkins starting. LD is gonna play it safe,

Unless you are a top 5 pick, the odds of starting are extremely low, even if they just traded away the starter in your spot. Coaches are very conservative when it comes to playing young guys…especially when you are in the last year of a contract. (I’m not saying Jenkins is bad; I am saying he was the 23rd pick, not the 3rd pick.)

As evidence, I present http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1177279-20-rookies-who-will-crack-the-starting-lineup-in-their-second-season

Please click on the slide show & note the bolded stat about the number of games these guys started as rookies.

The best exceptions last year were Kawhi Leonard (15th pick) & Ken Faried (22nd pick.) It took Manu Ginobli injury & the most secure coach in the league to get Leonard starts. He was expected to rebound & defend, not score. Similarly in Denver, George Karl is very secure as a coach and he got defense & rebounding out of a rookie, Faried. Jenkins was a good scorer in college. Until he proves it in the pros, I doubt he starts ahead of the shorter guys who can score in the NBA…unless he proves to be a lock down defender (which would be a surprise.)

If he gets 10 starts, there is an epic shock factor in his short term upside or the Hawks are having a “que Charles Barkley” turrible season.

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MIKE IS BACK-What’s up my man? I know Jenkins is a rookie, but Ferry is in charge now, not Sund, and he’s very big on developing and playing rookies and/or or younger players. Also, Drew is a lame duck HC that definitely has to do things Ferry’s way. And make no mistake, things will be done Ferry’s way.

After all, it was Ferry, not Drew, who said we’ll definitely play an uptempo fastbreaking style of OFF, and that MScott will be on the roster when the season starts. And, it was also Ferry’s decision, not Drew’s, to release 2 of his assistant coaches and establish a player development program.

Ferry drafted Scott and Jenkins, and personally brought in DJames and JAnderson to compete for the SF spot. There’s no way in hell he’s going to let Drew pull the same BS both he and Woodson pulled with previous draft picks and younger players with potential like JTeague and KBenson, in favor of veteran liabilities like MBibby, JCollins, EThomas, and EDampier.

J-You could be right and I could certainly be wrong, but we’ll see. I just don’t think teams like the 76ers, Knicks, Nets, Bulls, Pacers, Wizzards, etc, will be as good as so many seem to think. The Heat is the only team that can come close to matching our speed, quickness, athleticism, and depth. It will be our newfound style of play and approach that gives us our advantage and edge in the East.

This team will no longer have players like JJ and Bibby, who’s limitations limited the way we played, and thus limited the performance and production of the majority of our who are basically geared more toward playing uptempo. Also, this yrs team won’t be burdened with players who can only contribute limited mins and production due to age, lack of athleticism, and/or stamina.

Last yr we had only 1 productive PG(Teague), with Hinrich being basically an unproductive backup. When JJ was moved to SF, Hinrich became a very unproductive SG. This yr, we’ll be at least 3 deep in quality SGs and PGs(Teague, DHarris, LWilliams, JJenkins, AMorrow). This yr we’ll have Zaza, Petro, and maybe Benson as backup OC, all of which are major upgrades over Collins and Dampier.

This yr Zaza will serve as our backup OC where he belongs, rather than serving as our starting OC like last yr. IJohnson will also be our primary backup PF, rather than serving as our primary backup OC, as well as backup PF like last yr. The youth, athleticism, stamina, potential and abilities of Petro and maybe Benson are vast improvements over the aging, injury prone and minimumally productive Dampier and Collins.

Petro and Benson gives us far better rim protection and help DEF, and for a lot more MPG, than Dampier and Collins. I stand by my top 2 seed prediction.

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Let’s hope they let them play during preseason and see who has DOG. If it’s Jenkins; so be it. I suspect we’ll see at least one surprise…..the guy who plays #7 minutes. James, Jenkins, Morrow??? Who wants it. that’s who should play. The guy with the most DOG.

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Strickland, we’ve essentially traded one set of limitations for another.

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Minor point about limitations. I think Woody led JJ to play slower. Recall how he played in Phoenix. ISO JOE was a Woodson creation. Sure Joe liked it, but he didn’t come here as a ball stopper. The right coach could have produced more uptempo with the same players. (Bibby on the other hand had limitations. He got old.)

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@212 it’s die hards. NBA isn’t relevant in September.

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ASTRO JOE-Since when did increased speed, quickness, athleticism, depth, talent, shooting and penetrating ability, as well as the ability to play a different and more suitable style of OFF, become liabilities? You seem far too focused on what what has been lost with Marvin and JJs departure. What you should concentrate on is what we’ve gained with Harris, Morrow, Williams, Petro, Jenkins, Scott, Korver, and the return of AHorford.

This whole idea of us coming apart defensively, or having absolutely no one to take the big shots, is way overblown. Didn’t we manage to claim the #3 seed with a gross underachiever at SF(MWilliams), as well as DEF liabilities at SG(JCrawford) and PG(MBibby)? Horford’s absence last yr, and the additional scoring opportunities it allowed, helped Josh improve his overall production.

Well, JJ and Marvin’s absence will allow all of our starters additional scoring opportunities, and we can expect Teague and Horford to show improvement as a result. Not only did we not have a single scorer off the bench that could match LWilliams, AMorrow or DHarris’ OFF production, we barely had 3 starters to do it.

Apparently you can’t for the life of you believe AHorford, as our #2 scoring option, can even come close to approximating JJs 18.8PPG. And what about the return of his double figure rebounding, shotblocking, interior DEF, and passing ability? He’ll replace JJs DEF, as well as his OFF, just in a different way. You simply see a GLASS HALF EMPTY situation, while I see a GLASS HALF FULL SITUATION situation. We’ll see who ends up right in the end.

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MannyT,

I look forward to this year’s acronym.

I know it’s just a matter of time, and it’s early yet. I’ll be patient.

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To say Jeff Teague is trade bait just because Devin Harris is here it’s the stupidest thing ever. Maybe just one of cause I’ve heard worse.

Listen why would you trade away a potential All-star/Above average PG and keep the PG that you know his windowing is closing if anything Devin Harris is the PG that’s trade bait.

Honestly saying that PG’s are dominating the NBA right now while this maybe so not all can be replaced trying to find one that matches Rondo or Derrick Rose is too darn tough.

Yeah you could say go get Kyle Lowry or Aaron Brooks, but neither one are even remotely close to what Rondo and Rose can do.

Kinda like with the PF’s there are a lot of good one’s, but trying to get another KG isn’t that easy.

Long story short don’t ever say someone job is up for grabs especially if he’s doing pretty good for you. Cause you never know when the next big thing will come along. Matter of fact how many years did it take for us to finally have a legit PG

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Teague, Lou, Josh, Horford, Zaza

Devin, Korver, Pietrus, Ivan, Kyrylo

Morrow, Jenkins, Petro

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Kyle Korver and Al Horford to Utah for Al Jefferson “Right Now” makes good Basketball sense. Al Jefferson will be our starting “5″ for the next 5 years!

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Field Goals
1. Dominique Wilkins* 8752
2. Bob Pettit* 7349
3. Lou Hudson 6570
4. Cliff Hagan* 5239
5. John Drew 4545
6. Kevin Willis 4382
7. Joe Johnson 4007
8. Eddie Johnson 3801
9. Josh Smith 3480
10. Bill Bridges 3269

Blocks
1. Tree Rollins 2283
2. Josh Smith 1305
3. Dikembe Mutombo 1094
4. Jon Koncak 747
5. Dan Roundfield 716
6. Dominique Wilkins* 588
7. Theo Ratliff 436
8. Kevin Willis 425
9. Cliff Levingston 371
10. Al Horford 356

Steals
1. Mookie Blaylock 1321
2. Dominique Wilkins* 1245
3. Doc Rivers 1166
4. John Drew 859
5. Josh Smith 763
6. Eddie Johnson 741
7. Jason Terry 588
8. Kevin Willis 581
9. Stacey Augmon 570
10. Jon Koncak 515

Offensive Rebounds
1. Kevin Willis 2615
2. Dominique Wilkins* 2531
3. Tree Rollins 1902
4. John Drew 1878
5. Dan Roundfield 1542
6. Josh Smith 1276
7. Dikembe Mutombo 1228
8. Cliff Levingston 1177
9. Alan Henderson 1153
10. Zaza Pachulia 1115

Defensive Win Shares
1. Bob Pettit* 44.2
2. Tree Rollins 37.4
3. Dominique Wilkins* 32.7
4. Josh Smith 30.6
5. Mookie Blaylock 28.7
6. Kevin Willis 28.5
7. Bill Bridges 25.9
8. Dan Roundfield 24.3
9. Dikembe Mutombo 23.3
10. Cliff Hagan* 21.9

Total Rebounds
1. Bob Pettit* 12849
2. Bill Bridges 8656
3. Kevin Willis 7332
4. Dominique Wilkins* 6119
5. Tree Rollins 5994
6. Zelmo Beaty 5622
7. Cliff Hagan* 5116
8. Josh Smith 4768
9. Dan Roundfield 4658
10. John Drew 4433

Minutes Played
1. Dominique Wilkins* 32545
2. Bob Pettit* 30690
3. Lou Hudson 25825
4. Bill Bridges 23574
5. Kevin Willis 22588
6. Cliff Hagan* 21731
7. Tree Rollins 20763
8. Josh Smith 20395
9. Joe Johnson 19733
10. Lenny Wilkens* 19552

Games

1. Dominique Wilkins* 882
2. Tree Rollins 814
3. Bob Pettit* 792
4. Kevin Willis 753
5. Cliff Hagan* 745
6. Lou Hudson 730
7. Jon Koncak 717
8. Bill Bridges 683
9. Eddie Johnson 619
10. Josh Smith 600

Points
1. Dominique Wilkins* 23292
2. Bob Pettit* 20880
3. Lou Hudson 16049
4. Cliff Hagan* 13447
5. John Drew 12621
6. Joe Johnson 10606
7. Kevin Willis 10582
8. Eddie Johnson 9631
9. Josh Smith 9044
10. Zelmo Beaty 872

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Ditto on getting Al Jefferson here for Al would be the trade of the season and make Ferry the GM of the Decade!!

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Yall, need to get tough under the basket, so Ivan is a good move. But yall still too weak.

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ASTRO JOE-I agree with your 6:17pm post. While we could very well lose gms by a 110-103 score, we will also win our share of gms by a simular score as well. A loss is a loss and a win is a win, no matter what the score is. No matter how bad you think our DEF might be without JJ, Marvin, and Hinrich, you can’t tell me that Harris, Jenkins, Morrow and Williams are anywhere near the DEF liabilities that Bibby and JaCrawford were.

In fact, after reportedly recovering form shoulder surgery, Hinrich, at 6.6PPG, proved to be an OFF and DEF liability. I just don’t see how we’ll take a step back, unless we fail to find a decent SF, which I believe Ferry will do, or has already done with the signing of James and Anderson.

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Only a fool would let Josh Walk. Id actually Let Zaza and Ivan handle the center spot since they did so well last year. Id trade Al for a 1st rounder and lock Josh in. Then Id go after Al Jefferson or another impact player.

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“I have little doubt that this roster will improve on 47 feet of the court”

Really? I tend to be somewhat less pro-Joe than you, and even I don’t think that is necessarily a given. When the Joe trade went down I said the Hawks may be better offensively but would certainly be worse defensively. It would be a pretty major indictment of Joe as a player if the Hawks ended up better offensively this year after shipping their leading scorer out for spare parts.

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We finally have two lethal PG’s and PPL are trying to trade them off SMH!!!!!

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“fined Johnson $25,000 for giving fans the middle finger while leaving the court following Atlanta’s final playoff loss to Boston.”

If only Al had given them the middle finger instead of 7 turnovers we may have advanced.

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I guess some of you need more speedy claxton, mike bibby, and royal ivey SMH!!!

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alex, who said ivan was a game changer???? nobody, but he is a very solid addition to the bench and somebody that provides a ton of energy when he’s in. just trying to throw crap at the ASG, eh? you probably don’t even follow the Hawks.

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@Charles Barkley
Josh is an unrestricted free agent. You can offer him more $$$ than anyone else. He can walk if he wants at the end of his contract. Sure the Hawks probably want him, but does he want the Hawks? The better he plays, the more likely other teams will try ways to get him.

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I spent a good part of my day yesterday checking Philadelphia 76ers blogs, and their fans were basically celebrating that Lou Will wasn’t returning. Common themes I saw among the comments were that Doug Collins pretty much let the guy jack up bad shots, because he was basically the only scorer on the team, and that Lou didn’t really play with the reckless abandon before Collins. They also said that his 20.2 PER from last season was misleading, although I’ll have to look more into that. I think he’s gonna be excellent to have off the bench, but I wonder if we should take heed from the complaints of Philly fans. Hopefully, LD has an answer for his supposedly mediocre shot selection. I haven’t watched the guy play enough outside of Atlanta summer league stuff to form my own opinion though.

Or hopefully being on a team where you’re constantly on the court with 2-3 other guys that can score the ball will change the way he plays.

I’m really interested to see about how Damion James does in camp. Dude was a rebounding machine in college.

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@Ray,

I never said that point guards are dominating the NBA; I said that they were currently in surplus so that statement infers that production will ultimately be the dividing line for a coach’s choice on who plays and who goes. Teague is not an outstanding passer despite what people on this board believes and Harris has proven he has the offensive game to put up big baskets (who believes Teague has a 40 point game in him? I do not). With the team doing some tweaking on offense, look to the guy who helps put the ball in the basket more frequently. That would be Harris. Not dissing Teague, but we have the veteran guard LD has always preferred.
We should be looking at what swingman would be good for the team’s offense (Rudy Gay, Harrison Barnes, etc.) once Teague’s name gets mentioned in trade rumors.

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brigadierjerry,

Its hard to tell where the Hawks will finish BUT I can tell u is I DONT see them finishing no where near 6-8

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I will say this about Harris and his prior years’ stats. Those 4 years that he was with the Nets (includes partial yrs), they won a total of 104 games. Those were some bad teams.

In a year where his team has made the playoffs, he’s never averaged more than 11 pts per game (3 yrs in Dallas and last yr in Utah), while playing less than 30 minutes per game.

IMO, Harris is a quality backup, not a starter.

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I’M-A-SOUL-STAR-Suppose a Philly fan decided to checkout our blogs and read the IGNORANT BS our resident HORFORD HATING TROLLS routinely post about Horford. Do you really think they’d come away with an accurate opinion of his abilities and what he does for the team?

I’m certain every team has its share of ignorant, uninformed, and/or stupid fans who either develop feeling of hate, or develop MAN CRUSHES, on certain players. Unfortunately, it just seems that we have more than our share of those types of fans.

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“who said ivan was a game changer????”

I did. He impacts the game at both ends at three positions. There are few players in the world you can say that about.

“They also said that his 20.2 PER from last season was misleading…”

From what I’ve seen it disproportionately favors volume shooters, which is funny because it’s supposed to be about “efficiency.” I agree that Lou forced a lot of offense because that was what Philly specifically needed from him last year. I don’t think he’s an overly selfish player, but we will find out this year. As I said before, he’s never played with offensive players as talented as Al Horford and Josh Smith so the Hawks don’t need him to force offense like Philly did.

*disclaimer*

When I say *played with* that means, you know, actually PLAYED WITH, not been on the same roster with i.e. Allen Iverson whom he probably was on the court with less than 100 minutes of his career. Yes, Allen Iverson was a more talented offensive player than Josh or Al but that doesn’t mean Iverson and Williams played 20 mpg on the court at the same time.

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“Then Id go after Al Jefferson or another impact player.”

People love Al Jefferson but that guy has never gone anywhere in the postseason in his career. If he’s so great, why haven’t his teams been great?

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BUDDY GRIZZARD-If anyone has a MAN CRUSH on MScott, as BUDDY GRIZZARD claims about me, it’s Danny Ferry. After all, he drafted him and said he’ll be on our opening day roster. I haven’t said anything about him or his abilities. All I’ve done is list his name on a few of my roster predictions.

WORDSMITHTOM-These DELUSIONAL HORFORD HATERS are starting to get out of hand with their selfserving BS. They are so devoid of facts, or incapable of manifesting anything close to an informed opinion, that they continuously manufacture these straw arguments(ldistortions, misrepresentations, and outright lies) to further their delusional beliefs.

With Ferry’s committment to retaining and developing MScott at PF, who’s definitely a stretch 4 and strong rebounder, we could be seeing the end of JSmith’s tenure as an Atlanta Hawk if Ferry is successful in bringing in a DEF minded OC. Horford and Scott and would make for a very solid and complimentary PF tandum, and both would definitely be able to stretch the floor.

Ferry isn’t looking to take the Hawks team and franchise through a potentially long and sometimes painfull rebuilding process. He wants to make his transition as quick and painless as possible, which means he’s looking to remodel rather than rebuild.

I wonder how intrigued DHoward or ABynum have been so far by the Hawks’ abundance of high percentage 3pt shooters(Morrow, Jenkins, Morrow, Korver), stretch 4s(Horford, Scott), and quality PGs(Teague, Harris, Williams)? Keep in mind that this is all just speculation on my part, or food for thought.

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Buddy or anyone else, has Danny confirmed his camp invites publically?

Teague
Harris
Lou
Korver
Stevenson
Al
Josh
Zaza
Ivan
JJenk
MScott
Petro
Morrow
Anderson
James

That is all I’ve heard and potentially Benson is on the list. You would think there would be 2-3 others.

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Trade Al Horford now Danny. If you wait any longer his value will decline. Make a move while his valus is still worth a late first round pick!!!

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Look at how pathetic Nique’s defense is:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/08/16/20110701_1988_atl_bos_GM7.nba/index.html

He was completely dominated by Bird any time he had to guard him. Check out the iso at 2:40. This is for you, Nique fans. The Hawks have never been to the ECF because Nique only played on the offensive end.

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@ Astro Joe,

Yeah I agree with your assessment of Scott. He is a D Leaguer, thats it. Ferry saying he will be on the roster, just means he will most likely be 1 of 15. But with Al, Josh, and Ivan all capable of playing Pf’s, he wont see the floor at all.

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Ken Strickland
September 20th, 2012
8:53 am

I’M-A-SOUL-STAR-Suppose a Philly fan decided to checkout our blogs and read the IGNORANT BS our resident HORFORD HATING TROLLS routinely post about Horford. Do you really think they’d come away with an accurate opinion of his abilities and what he does for the team?

I’m certain every team has its share of ignorant, uninformed, and/or stupid fans who either develop feeling of hate, or develop MAN CRUSHES, on certain players. Unfortunately, it just seems that we have more than our share of those types of fans.
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I never said anything about this being an accurate opinion. Just said that this was a common theme from the majority of fans on several Philly blogs. Even stated at the end that “I haven’t watched him play enough to form my own opinion outside of ATL summer league stuff.”

Just sharing pertinent information man,

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@ Just Joe,

Appreciated your ability to bring up Harris’ stats from the Nets and Jazz. Remember with the Jazz, Harris was forced to run an inside-outside offense (to Jefferson/Millsap) which was a sharp contrast from the New Jersey offense. Also, who was Josh Smith’s equal in talent on the Nets? Someone comparable, even.
Harris has been on record speaking on how excited he is to join the Hawks because he will get opportunities to penetrate in the lane offensively; I think his ability to complement the big men’s game (specifically Smith, because Josh will have the option to finish, pass to the wing or go one-on-one) will be the key to the Hawks’ offense. I also think Harris can indirectly raise Teague’s basketball IQ, giving Ferry a chance to assess the two guards and their potential moving forward.
Josh is not trying to win a championship two years from now – he’s wanting to get there as soon as possible. The team acquired a veteran point guard and a bench player who can get his own shot (Lou Williams). Smith doesn’t forget any traditional role so we will keep him for his X-factor traits. Everybody else, including Zaza (continuity, nostalgia) is on the trade block. However, Horford and Zaza can make a bid for staying with the squad depending on how well they complement our new PG. I like Jeff Teague, but he came to us as a raw talent and because Woodson and Drew resisted using him, Teague will leave us as an unfinished product. Jeff Teague, say hello to Golden State- and that won’t be a bad thing since the coach is a former standout.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mu6EC1z0XU&feature=related
Oh, yeah! Devin’s the Dude!

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Had to post one more time (for Just Joe, who said that Devin is only a ‘good bench player’). That, sir, is an insult to Devin Harris and NBA basketball.
Check out the countdown highlights from #5 to #1. Devin is no Robert Pack!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFdSMJ1RPGg&feature=related

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ASTRO JOE-READING WITH COMPREHENSION IS FUNDAMENTAL. I know you like a good argument, but are you really that desperate? How in the devil did you manage to read the following, “WE COULD BE SEEING THE END OF JOSH SMITH’S TENURE AS AN ATLANTA HAWK, IF FERRY IS SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING IN A DEF MINDED OC”, and come up with this totally and completely off base comment, “BOY, TALK ABOUT A STRETCH…FROM LATE SECOND ROUND PICK TO PLAYER WHO MAKES JOSH SMITH EXPENDABLE A YR LATER. WHEW.

How did me sayng Ferry getting a DEF minded OC turn into MScott makng JSmith expendable?

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First off Let me say that any body who is dissatisfied will Al Horford’s lack of performance, as many of you are, will be classified by me as either a hater or a troll, well in some cases both.

Why?

The logic escapes me now but, Go hawks.

Now back to you haters and trolls. I cant fully understand why you arent excited about a center who can play power forward having career numbers of 12 pt 9 rebounds. That excites the hell out of me.

You need to Join our cult and worship Al like Sautee, Ashole Joe.and myself. While its true we are a minority cult we will grow if you join us. All we ask is that you call all the bloggers on this site who are calling for Al to be traded, “haters” and anyone who is critical of Al’s weak game a “troll” then you can be one of us.

According to the GRAND POOTBUTT Sautee. Our continuing 2012 strategy of defending the many many criticisms of Al’s disgusting performances is to Attack Josh. And while its true that Josh had nothing to do with Al’s poor performance its important for us to attack Josh to help Al.

Why?

The logic escapes me now but lets move on.

Now, A lot of you have been comparing Jon Koncak with Al Horford. That may be a good comparison Although the defensive number favor Koncak and the offensive numbers Jon however they are both over paid.

Now, I know that the majority of the bloggers want to get Al traded. And that my happen, but in the mean while I need All of my cult brother to ATTACK JOSH!!!!! ATTACH FCKING JOSH, ATTACK ATTACK YOU MUTHER F CKERS ATTACK !!

YOU ANAL MINDED MORONS AS S HOLES … AND PLAY TEAGUE.

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**Now, I know that the majority of the bloggers want to get Al traded. And that might happen, but in the mean while I need All of my cult brother to ATTACK JOSH!!!!!

I know what you are thinking. Zaza and Ivan make Al expendable. And thats true. I cant deny that, especially after last year., but until then.

FCK YOU.

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Help me hate ashole Joe are you in this cult or not?

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If Al doesn’t turn the ball over 7 times in game six of the playoffs then we probably win that series. Al fcked Up again Ken. You are on your own. I’ll see you at the next cult sacrifice. Bring a stray cat.

I’m out brother.

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Yea, Al has been a disappointment. Theres just not enough to his game and he doesnt like defense. He should have hired Hakeem the dream or or somebody to train him.

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I still think the best way to defend Al is to attack Josh. I’m like Ken on this one, there is no way I can answer for Al’s play so I think we should continue to attack josh.

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