Atlanta Hawks: Larry Drew studying with Euro coach David Blatt
Back when Hawks coach Larry Drew added assistants Kenny Atkinson and Bob Weiss to join Lester Conner and Bob Bender, Drew said his staff was “set” for 2012-13.
But, according to a report out of Russia that was translated by Eurohoops.com, Drew is in Israel to meet with Maccabi Tel Aviv coach David Blatt. According to Eurohoops, Blatt recently signed a three-year contract with Maccabi but has a “turbulent relationship” with the club’s management.
UPDATE: Hawks GM Danny Ferry confirms that Drew is not seeking to add Blatt to his staff but went to Maccabi’s camp to observe, learn and share ideas with Blatt.
“Larry respects the international game and is enjoying the opportunity to share ideas with David Blatt,” Ferry wrote in a text message. “David is a heckuva coach and I know that Larry appreciates that David has been so open. I know Larry is enjoying the opportunity to closely watch [Maccabi's] program. It is a highly respected program.”
Blatt is an American native who played at Princeton. He coached the Russian national team to a bronze medal finish at the 2012 Olympics.
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lighting Rod
September 15th, 2012
11:11 pm
How in the hell can your center turn the ball over 7 times when he doesnt handle the ball? what the fck is that?
lighting Rod
September 15th, 2012
11:13 pm
Cosigning Otis.
Al’s 7 turnovers in game 6 against Boston is why there is was no game 7
lighting Rod
September 15th, 2012
11:14 pm
Cosigning Otis.
*Al’s 7 turnovers in game 6 against Boston is why there was no game 7
random
September 15th, 2012
11:18 pm
Sautee
September 15th, 2012
9:11 pm
Oh, my bad, I see the discussion is about stats and had nothing to do with popularity Votes.
I guess what I should have addressed was that Al’s stats. Al’s 4 loud fans (of which I am ring leader), often like to site Al’s 50+% shooting and ignore that he stands right under the basket and is supposed to.
When we compare Al to Dampier or Collins we find that they have very similar stats. In fact, the one T.S. Like to compare Al to is Jon Koncak, who like Al had 1 average year and many subpar years.. Ironically, that year Koncak shot 61% far better than Al ever did.
While I am not saying Al is 100% like Jon Koncak, there are some similarities, however Al is more like Marvin than Koncak in terms of being over paid.
But the bottom line is I apologize to T.S. AL Pct stat that I brag about so much is actually the norm for a guy who stands right under the basket on offense. You are right T.S. He should make those, as does 18 other centers in the NBA who shoot 50% or better. I’ll have to find another way to defend Al.
Have a Good evening T.S.
Sautee
September 15th, 2012
9:12 pm
*I guess what I should have addressed was Al’s stats
Ken Strickland
September 15th, 2012
9:25 pm
This is all we need to say to defend Al sautee. You and I both know he will be good one day. Until then read the link below.
blogs.ajc.com/hawks/?p=6270&cp=10
Ken Strickland
September 15th, 2012
9:30 pm
IGNORANCE is a commodity that every human possesses, that’s called STUPIDITY.
+ you are an anal minded moron
When they continuously reject or refuse to accept that knowledge, no matter how many times or different ways it’s presented, and they hide their DELUSIONAL BS by using multiple names, yet continuously repeat the same STUPID DELUSIONAL BS over and over, then that’s called EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED, or INSANE. We definitely have at least 1 or 2 who fit this definition on these blogs. because they are psychologically damaged and just don’t know how to act. We’re seeing more and more of that type of mental deficiency being played out daily on these blogs by STEVEN A SMITH, and all of the various TS manifestations.
Only an extremely sick and immature mind could consistently derive any pleasure or satisfaction out of such a childish endeavor. It’s been said that there’s a thin line between genius and insanity, you anal minded moron. as s holes only sautee and I are geniuses the rest of you are truely insane, but they’re also dumber than 2 dead gnats.That is TS and Steven A. Smith and any other Anal minded as s hole moron psycho muther fcker who is not a fan of Al horford Fck you. Get some help you sick anal minded MORONS!!!!!!
and another thing go see a psycho doctor like me As s hole. Me and Sautee are the only smart ones and we are Al horford fans right Sautee?
Why Johnny cant read
September 15th, 2012
9:34 pm
Al committed 7 turnovers in a pivotal playoff game costing the hawks the season and ruining the heart filled and hard work of Zaza Ivan and Smoove
Ball Handlers Gazette
September 15th, 2012
9:38 pm
Yea, I agree, in a lot of ways Jon Koncak was better than Al particularly on the defensive end. career wise Jon Koncak blocked more than twice as many shots as Al. Here is the All time top ten block shot list for the hawks. look how far down Al is from Jon Koncak. I doubt that Al will ever catch him.
Blocks
1. Tree Rollins 2283
2. Josh Smith 1305
3. Dikembe Mutombo 1094
4. Jon Koncak 747
5. Dan Roundfield 716
6. Dominique Wilkins* 588
7. Theo Ratliff 436
8. Kevin Willis 425
9. Cliff Levingston 371
10. Al Horford 356
Duane Overstreet.
September 15th, 2012
9:48 pm
Good points guys.Let me add a couple. Offensive rbs are much harder to get than defensive ones because of position. You really have to fight to get an offensive rebound. That said look at the all time hawk leaders for offensive rebounds.
Offensive Rebounds
1. Kevin Willis 2615
2. Dominique Wilkins* 2531
3. Tree Rollins 1902
4. John Drew 1878
5. Dan Roundfield 1542
6. Josh Smith 1276
7. Dikembe Mutombo 1228
8. Cliff Levingston 1177
9. Alan Henderson 1153
10. Zaza Pachulia 1115
DID ANY ONE SEE AL’S NAME ON THE LIST?
Why Johnny cant read
September 15th, 2012
9:52 pm
Well if this is an All hawks stat night let me get in there….
Defensive Win Shares
1. Bob Pettit* 44.2
2. Tree Rollins 37.4
3. Dominique Wilkins* 32.7
4. Josh Smith 30.6
5. Mookie Blaylock 28.7
6. Kevin Willis 28.5
7. Bill Bridges 25.9
8. Dan Roundfield 24.3
9. Dikembe Mutombo 23.3
10. Cliff Hagan* 21.9
LOOKS LIKE AL IS NOT ON THIS LIST EITHER…. DOES THE DUDE PLAY DEFENSE?
Free Throw Attempts
1. Bob Pettit* 8119
2. Dominique Wilkins* 6506
3. John Drew 4743
4. Cliff Hagan* 3722
5. Lou Hudson 3659
6. Lenny Wilkens* 3478
7. Bill Bridges 3099
8. Zelmo Beaty 2952
9. Josh Smith 2804
10. Kevin Willis 257
Same answer NO Al here either.
Duane Overstreet.
September 15th, 2012
10:00 pm
Sorry guys left this off.
Points
1. Dominique Wilkins* 23292
2. Bob Pettit* 20880
3. Lou Hudson 16049
4. Cliff Hagan* 13447
5. John Drew 12621
6. Joe Johnson 10606
7. Kevin Willis 10582
8. Eddie Johnson 9631
9. Josh Smith 9044
10. Ze
Ball Handlers Gazette
September 15th, 2012
10:04 pm
Is it just me or Has Josh made every All Hawks lists in a very short time. Heres a biggy.
Steals
1. Mookie Blaylock 1321
2. Dominique Wilkins* 1245
3. Doc Rivers 1166
4. John Drew 859
5. Josh Smith 763
6. Eddie Johnson 741
7. Jason Terry 588
8. Kevin Willis 581
9. Stacey Augmon 570
10. Jon Koncak 515
By the way Al look who’s at # 10. Yes Al he was better than you defensively. And no Al you arent on the list.
Ball Handlers Gazette
September 15th, 2012
10:07 pm
I know the haters are going to hate this Josh is now on the hawks 3pt list at # 10.
3-Pt Field Goals
1. Mookie Blaylock 1050
2. Joe Johnson 908
3. Jason Terry 648
4. Steve Smith 549
5. Dominique Wilkins* 500
6. Mike Bibby 475
7. Jamal Crawford 282
8. Marvin Williams 215
9. Craig Ehlo 210
10. Josh Smith 206
Blog Patrol
September 15th, 2012
10:12 pm
Ok we get it guys. Josh is a budding superstar who has made great contributions to the hawks. He is very young and still rising. He has multiple tools and can hurt the opposition in so many ways. We get it.
We also get it that Al is a lot like John Koncak but not as good defensively. We get it.
Lets let Al’s 4 fans respond.
Ball Handlers Gazette
September 15th, 2012
10:18 pm
Ok just 2 more
Who is there day in day out?
Games
1. Dominique Wilkins* 882
2. Tree Rollins 814
3. Bob Pettit* 792
4. Kevin Willis 753
5. Cliff Hagan* 745
6. Lou Hudson 730
7. Jon Koncak 717
8. Bill Bridges 683
9. Eddie Johnson 619
10. Josh Smith 600
Who is putting in the work, Who is making it happen for the Hawks?
That would be Josh Smith. @ # 8
Minutes Played
1. Dominique Wilkins* 32545
2. Bob Pettit* 30690
3. Lou Hudson 25825
4. Bill Bridges 23574
5. Kevin Willis 22588
6. Cliff Hagan* 21731
7. Tree Rollins 20763
8. Josh Smith 20395
9. Joe Johnson 19733
10. Lenny Wilkens* 19552
Blog Patrol
September 15th, 2012
10:19 pm
I see why Danny Ferry likes Josh so much.
Mary Townsend
September 15th, 2012
10:23 pm
“Al committed 7 turnovers in a pivotal playoff game costing the hawks the season and ruining the heart filled and hard work of Zaza Ivan and Smoove”
I believe that was game 5 and put Boston up 3 games to 2 If Al hadnt blown that game were up 3-2 and guaranteed to extend the Series to 7. Yea, Al fcked that up.
Mary Townsend
September 15th, 2012
10:25 pm
So apparently this Jon Koncak and Al Horford comparison has validity. I did not know that Jon was that much better than Al on defense.
Ken Strickland
September 15th, 2012
10:32 pm
IGNORANCE is a commodity that every human possesses, that’s called STUPIDITY.
+ you are an anal minded moron
Its stupid anal minded moron as s holes who come on here and say the same things over and over and then over again Muther Fckers.
When they continuously reject or refuse to accept that knowledge, no matter how many times or different ways it’s presented, and they hide their DELUSIONAL BS by using multiple names, yet continuously repeat the same STUPID DELUSIONAL BS over and over, then that’s called EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED, or INSANE. We definitely have at least 1 or 2 who fit this definition on these blogs. because they are psychologically damaged and just don’t know how to act. We’re seeing more and more of that type of mental deficiency being played out daily on these blogs by STEVEN A SMITH, and all of the various TS manifestations.
Only an extremely sick and immature mind could consistently derive any pleasure or satisfaction out of such a childish endeavor. It’s been said that there’s a thin line between genius and insanity, you anal minded moron. as s holes only sautee and I are geniuses the rest of you are truely insane, but they’re also dumber than 2 dead gnats.That is TS and Steven A. Smith and any other Anal minded as s hole moron psycho muther fcker who is not a fan of Al horford Fck you. Get some help you sick anal minded MORONS!!!!!!
and another thing go see a psycho doctor like me As s hole. Me and Sautee are the only smart ones and we are Al horford fans right Sautee
random
September 15th, 2012
11:20 pm
Mary Townsend
September 15th, 2012
10:25 pm
So apparently this Jon Koncak and Al Horford comparison has validity. I did not know that Jon was that much better than Al on defense.
Yes Mary Jon and Al were very much alike. 2 over paid of a championship dream .
random
September 15th, 2012
11:21 pm
Yes Mary Jon and Al were very much alike. 2 over paid waste of a championship dream .
doc
September 16th, 2012
12:17 am
yawn
Sautee
September 16th, 2012
4:12 am
doc,
co-sign
Ken Strickland
September 16th, 2012
7:05 am
DOC/SAUTEE-Who stirred up the ANAL MINDED MORON?
Ken Strickland
September 16th, 2012
7:23 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1334155-atlanta-hawks-5-ways-danny-ferry-has-already-improved-the-franchise
Here’s a very interesting article that should eleviate the wave of BS that our resident ANAL MINDED MORON dumped on the blog. Enjoy.
Ken Strickland
September 16th, 2012
7:58 am
Unless Anderson and Korver have really outstanding training camps, both could end up getting waived and/or traded. AMorrow, who is more athletic and a better defender than Korver, duplicates the 3pt shooting he brings to the table, as does JJenkins. Only 500K of Korver’s contract is guaranteed, so we wouldn’t take a meaningful financial or cap hit if we released him.
It would definitely make more sense to release or trade him, since it would provide an extra active roster spot for a much needed Big.
SF-James, Morrow ( Anderson)
PF-Smith, Johnson (Williams or Benson)
OC-Horford, Pachulia (Petro, Williams or Benson)
SG-Jenkins, LWilliams
PG-Teague, Harris
Not keeping Korver would leave 2 active spots open for either 2 additional Bigs(Petro, Williams or Benson), or a Big and another wing player(Anderson, Scott or Stevenson).
Buddy Grizzard
September 16th, 2012
9:10 am
Josh Smith shot 3-for-11 on jump shots in Game 6, got a technical foul while he WANT EVEN IN THE GAME and didn’t run back on defense. But Game 6 was Al’s fault.
http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=320510002
Strange that Al was +2 for the game while Josh was a team-worst -9. But this one was Al’s fault.
#hardwork
Buddy Grizzard
September 16th, 2012
9:26 am
If you look at Popcorn Machine you can see that Al played the entirety of Game 6 except for a 2-minute stretch of the 2nd quarter. The Hawks were -5 for the game with Horford on the Bench. The Hawks lost the game by 3 points.
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20120510&game=ATLBOS
Meanwhile Josh played only 37 minutes compared to Al’s 46. While Josh sat on the bench, the Hawks outscored the Celtics by 6. The Hawks only lost the game by 3 points.
#hardwork
Ken Strickland
September 16th, 2012
10:42 am
BUDDY GRIZZARD-Excellent facts. For some individuls, FACTS aren’t nearly as important to them as their UNINFORMED OPINIONS. Actually, these same individuals are actually dumb enough to believe their UNINFORMED OPINIONS are the same as FACTS. As always, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
But you know what, this is a new season, with a new GM, who is putting together a new team with a new approach. Therefore, I don’t give a damn about what happened last yr or any yr before. I’ve jumped on the Danny Ferry bandwagon and I’m looking ahead to the future, rather than hanging onto the tailgate worrying about what might be coming up from behind to run me over.
jhan
September 16th, 2012
11:23 am
Don’t waste your time with facts – it’s only opinion that counts around here!
doc
September 16th, 2012
11:23 am
slimj interesting though i dont know of the significance.
it seems to me people have determined one thing only in all this senseless scribing this past year. al and josh are both pretty good, neither a superstar and both have their blemishes. fact, there is no answer to who is the better or the worst; you can throw a blanket over them. however if you look at their strengths and weaknesses they are very complimentary. we all need to respect and enhance that aspect and for now live with it.
meanwhile, groundhog day continues for the truly obsessed minds. no originality, only the banal attempts by under served unconscious minds.
yawn and scroll, yawn and scroll.
doc
September 16th, 2012
11:34 am
my comments on the two kinda summed up well by this from bleacher report:
Al Horford is the yin to Smith’s yang, a balanced player who rarely makes questionable decisions when the ball is in his hands.
there has to be a balance between the two. hopefully, we will see this better without the third force of jj, which only brought out the effect of stagnation and loss of flow. simple concepts but so many only want or think yang is important, one always has to seek balance. for us it is easy to see yang, harder to find and respect yin.
steven a smith
September 16th, 2012
12:30 pm
Ken Strickland
September 16th, 2012
10:42 am
I have been working my Fantasy Football teams since the NFL season began, so consequently, someone has been using my “handle” to stir you up Mr. Strickland. May God Bless you and you will be in my prayers the next time i speak to the Lord. Just keep “TeBowing” and salvation will come your way.
Ken Strickland
September 16th, 2012
2:08 pm
DOC-Well said as always. Let’s just hope the individual(s) you were directing those comments to has the intelligence and/or maturity to comprehend what you are saying. To this point, based on some of the comments we’ve seen, it’s painfully obvious that these comments are coming from someone with maturity and psychogical issues.
I feel very confident about this yrs team with the return of a strong core comprised of JSmith, AHorford, JTeague, ZPachulia, and IJohnson. There are some question marks however. We need a starting SG, as well as a starting and backup SF.We’ve signed 2 SF candidates(JAnderson, DJames), but they are both comng off injuries and have yet to prove themselves as a result.
We also have as many as 4 SG candidates in JJenkins, LWilliams, DHarris, AMorrow, and at least 2-3 backup OC candidates, other than Zaza, in Petro, JWilliams, and maybe KBenson. If both Anderson and James fail to make their mark, we’ll be in trouble unless a trade can be made for the SF we need. However, if either gets the job done, especially James, we’ll be a solid 2nd seed team.
Ken Strickland
September 16th, 2012
2:25 pm
I don’t believe Ferry intends for this to be a throw away yr. I believe he knows that even with our new found cap space, it doesn’t automatically mean we’ll be able to sign one or the available FA Bigs. Therefore, we’ll have to develop and utilize what we have right now to the fullest.
We just might end up having to resign a number of our own FAs to be. If Ferry can’t sign Howard or Bynum, would he consider signing one of the lesser OCs available? Signing a lesser OC could necessitate the trade of either Josh or Horford. Other than Howard and Bynum, there really won’t be a better OC available than Horford.
Rod from College Park
September 16th, 2012
3:03 pm
“Josh Smith shot 3-for-11 on jump shots in Game 6, got a technical foul while he WANT EVEN IN THE GAME and didn’t run back on defense. But Game 6 was Al’s fault.
http://espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=320510002
Strange that Al was +2 for the game while Josh was a team-worst -9. But this one was Al’s fault.”
“Don’t waste your time with facts – it’s only opinion that counts around here!”
Maybe if the guy you love had not turned the ball over 7 times as opposed to 1 turnover by Josh, and knocked down a free throw to tie the game (He is supposed to be a great midrange shooter) we could have gone to overtime and won the game.
Is that a fact or opinion? LOL
Slimjr
September 16th, 2012
3:03 pm
Ah doc: the Consummate Gentlemen. Some or the [one] could learn quite a bit from you..
That information I put out there for you just reinforces how we are being hoodwinked big time..But you already knew that. heh heh heh.
doc, your [yin] and [yang] referencing our two controversial players on this blog will not put this team over the top.. Not enough firepower combined..Would you consider a [deal] that would package yin[AL] and send him to [OKC] for a [Star] player in [Westbrook] as Ra’mon so beautifully described yesterday..
Don’t you find the name calling a bit tired doc? So sad..Hmmmm.
The Plain Truth
September 16th, 2012
6:23 pm
The only thing more crazy than the obsession with Horford is the attempt by more rational bloggers to have an ongoing debate with trolls. When you play with venomous snakes you get punctured and when you play with trolls you get pages of nonsense. What’s worse, the troll or those arrogant fellows who instigate continued stupidity by engaging with buttheads?
Buddy Grizzard
September 16th, 2012
7:49 pm
“Is that a fact or opinion?”
That’s a fact, if Al made his free throws, the Hawks possibly force game 7. But Al had 5 baskets in the 4th quarter as compared to 1 by Josh and 0 by Joe. Al can’t do everything himself. The only reason that game was close was because of Beast Mode Al in the 4th quarter.
So blaming it on Al’s missed free throws is no more valid an argument than blaming it on Josh’s tech or Josh not getting back on D or Josh throwing the ball away or Josh bricking jumper after jumper… it was a combination of all these factors.
But this is also a fact. In spite of the missed free throws, the Hawks outscored the Celtics during the time Al was on the court. During the time Josh was on the court, the Hawks were outscored by the Celtics by 9 points. Now hug Josh’s nuts some more.
steven a smith
September 16th, 2012
8:06 pm
Al Jefferson
Center #25
Utah Jazz
STATS PPG FG% APG RPG BLKPG STLPG
2011-12 19.2 .492 2.2 9.6 1.66 0.77
Career 16.2 .501 1.4 8.9 1.38 0.67
Al Jefferson is obviously trending upward based on last season’s statistics. 19.2PPG 9.6RPG Almost “2″ Blocks per game. Let Josh walk and bring this guy in if a trade cannot be made by the deadline.
steven a smith
September 16th, 2012
8:20 pm
PG-Teague/Devin Harris
SG-Korver/John Jenkins/Stevenson
SF-Ivan Johnson/Morrow
PF-Horford
C–Al Jefferson/Petro
Kind of like the potential of this line-up, however, would like a “stretch guy” in Ivan’s spot(ala Bruce Bowen type)
Ken Strickland
September 16th, 2012
8:32 pm
For all you people who feel that Al and Jon Koncak are very much the same. well you are entitled to you’re opinions.
While its true that Al hasnt accomplished much in terms of production Im not sure I agree with everybody on the point that
” AL HORFORD IS THE NEW MARVIN WILLIAMS”
I really think that one day Al will be productive and a great player and center. It may take another 4 or 5 years but one day Al will be good.
Jae Evolution
September 16th, 2012
8:34 pm
Andrew Wiggins’ coach at Huntington Prep, Rob Fulford, believes Wiggins “could start for an NBA team tomorrow.”
The 6-foot-8, 195-pound Wiggins has been heralded as a once-in-a-generation player since his sophomore year.
“There is no question college is a waste of time for him,” Fulford said.
Wiggins may reclassify from 2014 to 2013, which would allow him to enter the NBA draft a year earlier than expected.
“Selfishly for us, if we’ve got him here for another year that’s better for us, but that’s not what’s best for him,” Fulford said.
A year from now the hype will be in full effect for this kid, I actually expect teams to tank in 2013 season. This guy is like a 6′7 Westbrook it’s quite scary what his potential is, and can be.
The Plain Truth
September 16th, 2012
8:59 pm
Al fcked up again. He is a Houdini in the playoffs and has a 11pt 7rbs play off career average. Whats more than than 7 turnover s hit he pulled in the most critical game of the year, Al has miss quite a few playoff games to major injuries.
NO thank you to Al the NEW MARVIN WILLIAMS.
The Plain Truth
September 16th, 2012
9:01 pm
“Is that a fact or opinion?”
ITS A FACT THAT MUTHER FCKER TURNED THE BALL OVER 7 DAMN TIMES!!! HELL CENTERS DONT EVEN HANDLE THE BALL THAT MUCH. THEY ARE RIGHT UNDER THE FCKING BASKET
FCK AL.
Ken
September 16th, 2012
9:02 pm
Enter your comments here
Ken
September 16th, 2012
9:04 pm
Why does every body feel the need to defend Al. If he plays well who can deny it? If he fcks up then every body knows it.
Me personally I see Al fck up alot but hey it dont matter because the hawks aint trying to win any way.
Najeh Davenpoop
September 16th, 2012
9:19 pm
T-S, not a football fan?
vava74
September 17th, 2012
5:19 am
Ken S,
You posted a video of Horford’s best 10 plays of 2010/11 and you asked someone what did they see on that video.
That was a reply to Rod’s video on West (Pacers).
Well, the video that you posted clearly shows what are Horford’s main offensive weapons apart from his mid range shot and how he can excell in the NBA.
It’s precisely as an undersized C who takes advantage of his superior speed and agility to beat his man to the rack on transition, back door cuts and putbacks.
Only 1 out of 10 plays has Horford getting to the rack by putting the ball on the floor.
That was excellent video evidence of what Horford can and can’t do.
doc
September 17th, 2012
9:59 am
slimj, not being evasive nor rude, just blog monster ate my post.
yes hoodwinked it is e all suffer.
the trade? sorry to be dismissive but it is silly to even propose it. one salaries dont match, they dont need al, or josh either is my guess. though the question may be a disingenuous back side maneuver to denigrate al, it doesnt. as we discussed earlier both of our guys are not top 5 to 10 in the league or superstars whereas westbrook acts like one if he isnt one and probably will be one. so neither guy would be acceptable to the thunder. really, even though the proposition to get westbrook would make us better, it wouldnt, this year anyway. it would weaken both teams as they dont need anyone resembling josh or al to go where they want to go. again, silly and not relevant to any discussion on basketball for those with wisdom instead of vindictive concerns.
ok, would you think we could swing a trade of josh for lbj? sure would make us a lot better and relevant quickly in the nba, no? oh, and we would have what josh wants to be instead of what he needs to be, smash josh.
MsDee
September 17th, 2012
10:10 am
vava74,
There were plays in a game or 2 where Horford had 4 or 5 plays ran to him consecutively where he made his plays from the post and finish at the basket for an AND1 or to draw fouls until both Joe and Josh stopped going to him.
ctrim
September 17th, 2012
10:19 am
Nice to see the same people making the continuous same points. Look forward to the new season featuring both Al and Josh with a good supporting cast around them.
MsDee
September 17th, 2012
10:20 am
vava74,
Here is what I wrote a couple of days here on this blog about this subject to Rob.
“There was a couple of games, can’t remember which or who we were playing but if u are truly a Hawk fan, u will have a clear mind and see where im coming from. In those few games, Horford was having a heck of a game scoring the ball in like 4 or 5 possessions in a row and/or getting fouled for an AND1 when of course Joe or Josh stopped going to him. In those possessions, ROD, Horford was posting up and actually making plays u so kindly forget. Jhan made the point earlier how it IS important how and where the guard passes the ball into the post. U not gonna see as many balls going down low to AL cause the guards (Joe and Josh) very seldom passes down to him on a CONSISTANT BASIS. Only reason Teague didnt throw down low cause he was used in pick and pops plays.”
MsDee
September 17th, 2012
10:22 am
Its just so funny how people who give Josh ALL THESE HIGH praises on being a better PF than Horford just cant seem to crack the ALLSTAR team year after year?? So, is what make Josh a better PF is the fact that Josh takes matters into his own hands at the wrong time of the game to throw up some wild shot in the lane that just happens to go in every now and again?? Or is it the fact that Drew babies Josh and create more post plays for him JUST TO KEEP HIM from being out behind the 3 pt line ready to hoist up a wild jumper?? ummmmmmm, I wonder if a REAL coach allowed Horford THOSE SAME OPPORTUNITIES with multiplies post plays, WHO WOULD REALLY BE THE BETTER PF??? I guess we will never know, at least not this season, since Drew is still the HC.
vava74
September 17th, 2012
10:34 am
MsDee,
Horford’s advantage is that he plays slower, less agile opponents when he plays the C slot and that Top 10 plays is a clear demonstration on how he can be effective (jointly with his mid range game).
If Horford plays the PF slot, his speed/agility advantage disappears and also, although he is 6′10” he is not a long 6′10”, so a lot of PFs will bother him with their lenght.
I like Horford but only at the C slot and, sincerely, he needs to find his dog again and bring his Boss attitude to the floor every night.
As for bringing the argument that Josh has not yet been selected to the All Star, that is a bullsh*t argument since you know perfectly well that there are very few quality Centers and a lot of quality Forwards for the coaches to select.
Astro Joe
September 17th, 2012
11:04 am
I’m a little surprised that the Ivan signing did not initiate a new blog with a discussion about the 14 guaranteed contracts, impending battle between Anderson and James for a roster spot and the role of the various bigs on the team (specifically Jordan Williams). Heck, at this point, I would have been glad to read a review of Kirk Hinrich’s season (I think he is next up on the summer-long look-back). Oh well…
Anyone see that Hakeem is spending more than 2 days working with the Knicks and Amare? The notion that an NBA player can become effective in the low post game after 2 lessons with anyone is utterly silly.
Slimjr
September 17th, 2012
12:02 pm
“As for bringing the argument that Josh has not yet been selected to the All Star, that is a bullsh*t argument since you know perfectly well that there are very few quality Centers and a lot of quality Forwards for the coaches to select.” -vava74-
Preach, Choir, Tabancle
Powerful stuff..
Ken Strickland
September 17th, 2012
12:05 pm
http://netsarescorching.com/2011/04/16/damion-james-work-in-progress/
Here’s an interesting take from a Nets writer on DJames and what we might expect from him if he’s fully recovered and healthy.
Slimjr
September 17th, 2012
12:08 pm
“even though the proposition to get westbrook would make us better,” -doc-
There you go doc, Thanks .
MsDee
September 17th, 2012
12:13 pm
vava74,
Sorry but Josh doesnt have the PROPER footwork either to be a DOMINATE PF! He has height advantage for a one drop spin in the paint, THATS IT!! Josh throws others up towards the rim in HOPES they fall end. Dont get it confused!!
MsDee
September 17th, 2012
12:20 pm
I will just say this, both Josh and Horford has strengths and weaknesses at PF and I also feel that both will work to their strengths when playing with each other so all this talk about Horford needing to be traded is GARBAGE!!
MsDee
September 17th, 2012
12:30 pm
vava74
“Horford’s advantage is that he plays slower, less agile opponents when he plays the C slot and that Top 10 plays is a clear demonstration on how he can be effective (jointly with his mid range game).”
As I read your post, this came across my mind. Maybe the reason Horford might play slower at the center position may be due b/c he IS playing against defenders who are much more stronger than he is and it may take him a little longer to be able to get around them. If he plays defenders who are PF, he’s moves will be quicker. The thing is WE WILL NEVER KNOW til Drew allows him to play the PF.
MsDee
September 17th, 2012
12:33 pm
Does Josh has the athletic ability to make the ALLSTAR? OF COURSE YES!!
Do Josh makes the NECESSARY DECISIONS to make the ALLSTAR? ABSOLUTELY NO!!
vava74
September 17th, 2012
12:34 pm
MsDee,
I am not talking about trades. Only that Horford can’t play PF effectively, which is something Josh proved already that he can.
And where does Josh have height advantage when he is only 6′9”? Josh has decent wingspan at 7′0” for a guy who is 6′9” but it’s nothing out of this world (Horford is 6′10 and has a wingspan of 7′ 0.75”).
I, for instance, never said that Horford is a bad defender, not at all, however, I do think he was successfully intimidated by Howard to the point that he shied away from contact.
For me that is not a good sign, in particular coped with several references that he needed help down low.
When Horford entered the league he did not complain about having to mix it up in the paint and actually that was his trademark in College: an athletic C who put energy and effort on defense, although sometimes he got a bit overwhelmed by bigger opponents (Oden and our very own RandMo).
vava74
September 17th, 2012
12:37 pm
MsDee,
“He played slower, less agile opponents” means he FACES slower, less agile opponents when he plays the C position.
NOT that HE plays slower.
Where HE plays SLOWER than his opponents is when he plays the PF slot. There he simply does not have a speed/agility advantage.