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Before making any trades for a SF, I believe Ferry will 1st spend the entire training camp observing what he has in Anderson and James. If either or both come through, it wouldn’t make much sense to trade away assets for what you already have on your roster.

James is known for being very physical, a good rebounder, especially OFF rebounding, and a decent midrange scorer.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0toy0kh20E

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Well said ken , I see this team as better than last year & certainly more exciting but we do need to get rid of LD.

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On Ivan:

About %&$# time!!

I think DeShawn is trade bait, but it will be fun to see those two beards coming off our bench.

We may have a few softies on the roster but we sure also have a couple of legitimate intimidators.

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We’ve currently signed 16 players to our roster(Teague, Harris, LWilliams, Jenkins, Morrow, Korver, Horford, Josh, Zaza, Johnson, Scott, Stephenson, JWilliams, Petro, Anderson, James), with only 2 coming off our summer league team(Jenkins, Scott).

We’re pretty certain the 1st 10 players listed will make the 12 man roster, and Ferry said Scott would make it, but that could change. So the remaining active roster spot will be filled by 1 of the 5 remaining players listed. If we don’t make a trade, and decide to keep 1 of the SF candidates(James, Anderson), it leaves us very thin at OC(Zaza) and PF(Ivan).

JWilliams is more versatile than Petro, as he can play PF and OC. Replacing Scott on the inactive roster with Williams would give us more size, depth and versatility along our frontline. I see Scott, Petro, and Anderson, if he makes a good showing and James wins the SF battle, making up our 3man inactive roster.

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@ Ken Strickland

I agree with you about the 1st 10 are guaranteed and unless injured will be in uniform nightly.

OF the remaining 6: Scott, Anderson, Williams, James, Petro and Stevenson

Petro is the most likely to be in uniform is almost a virtual lock to make the team for no ohter reason than he makes the most (3.5M)and is a 7 footer.

Stevenson is a good bet to make the team too as he has a unique skill set. He is physical and at times can be pesty on defense. Plus he is guaranteed (2M+). He might not be dressed all the time, maybe depends on opponents but might see some time in a suit on the bench.

Between Anderson and Damian, one will make the team for sure. I suspect who shows the most defensive ability at the 3 makes the roster.

The final 2 spots will be used as developmental guys. Scott has been implied to be guaranteed to make the roster. He wont see the floor, he is most likely a practice player and eventually will be sent to the DLeague to get seasoning and hopefully develop down the road as maybe a potential role player for next year. But if Scott sucks and is outplayed in camp by some other guys, his contract can be dumped and nto really cost much. Its the same situation with Jordan Williams. I dont see him seeing much time on the main roster, if he shows potential, maybe he goes to the DLeague or is a practice player. But if a guy like Benson or whoever is brought in for camp outplays him, i could see the Hawks buying him out or something since he makes only like 760K. The loser of the competiition between Anderson and D James could also be kept too over Scott and or Williams if they show potential. Though some assumptions have been made with Williams and M Scott, they could easily be dropped if other young guys flash more potential.

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Hi guys, I’m new here. I noticed that Denver got a pile of SF in their lineup. And like all of them have an average to above average skill set. I’m just wondering if its possible that danny is thinking of making a trade with denver that could bring us a serviceable Forward cause we desperately need one. And i think its possible that we can make a deal considering that we got plenty of SGs and they have many SFs.

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Glad to hear Ivan will be back. @Ken and glw, I’m a little concerned about the (lack of) size of our roster (again). Assuming we go with the big frontline of Josh, Al, and Zaza then the tallest guys off the bench are Petro then Williams. I never really liked the Scott signing, seems like Ivan 2.0 but less physical, little-no athleticism, and a jumpshooter. The big lineup has it’s advantages, but honestly I like JS at the 4 over Al right now and trying out Ivan at the 3. The only way I like Josh at the 3 is if he (along with PGs and coaches) makes better decisions to exploit mismatches. Only Lebron, Durant, maybe Melo could challenge him there physically. If Josh makes a committment to stay in or around the paint to do damage at SF, that’s one thing. I’m not ready to bank on that yet. Spending some practice time at the free throw line would do wonders too.

Not to add fuel to that fire but I really haven’t been too impressed with what I’ve seen from Al at the 4. If he added some post moves and played with that “boss” edge from the past that’s one thing, but he seems to have lost that edge. After the TJ Ford incident he seems to have went soft…little-no intimidation factor anymore compared to before. If Al shows he can man the 4 and can put up maybe 18-10 or become a 20-10 guy, maybe so. My main fear with Josh at the 3 is his love to shoot jumpers and rebounding dropping off. Of course, with a better and more demanding coach we wouldn’t have to worrry about that as much. I think many of us here would coach better than LD. There was at least 1 game where TMac and Ivan were holding it down for us and he pulled them after a missed shot or something. Not playing those 2 more in the playoffs over Collins and Damp when Zaza, Horford, and Smith were injured/off/turning the ball over/taking bad shots (in no order) along with many other instances show LD’s lake of coaching aptitude and ability to make in game adjustments.

Another thing to watch for this year is Teague. He’s GOT to show something more this year. I’ve seen flashes of it, but he has the potential to be a pretty good point guard. I’d like to see his defence improve, along with more accurate passing/assists and better decision making. I think 14 and 7 would be a good start. I’d rather Teague drop 7+ assists nightly than try to put up 20, we have Josh, Lou, and (maybe) Al trying to go for 20+ already. He needs to run the floor and demand the ball as our starting PG…he shouldn’t be as tentative about that anymore.I like Damion James over James Anderson right now, although not really impressed with either. I like LouWill coming off the bench as the 6th man with DH starting at the 2 for right now. Stevenson seems to have declinded since the Dallas run, I just see him as a defensive stopper now. I’d love to see Jenkins eventually become our starting 2, provided he can make a defensive committment and stick with it. I don’t see DH with us all year at that salary (8.5 mil?). I’ve seen him in all-star form and out of it, although his spot up shooting and 3pt shooting were improved last year. I’m also for starting DH at the 2 if it means Jenkins can get minutes early on. If DH would resign for something reasonable (possible but pretty unlikely) I say keep him to backup Teague and play alongside LouWill in the 2nd unit next year.

I don’t see Korver AND Morrow in the future of this team, but I’ve seen Korver hit some big shots from 3. Idk, not too impressed with Morrow he seems to have declined. I like James over him simply for D, hustle, and rebounding. Trying to develop Benson over Petro would be smart. I’ve seen flashes in Benson. Good length and timing. With more bulk and emphasis on rebounding, he’s close to par with Zaza (not much of an achievement)…better if he’s got some post moves. The only reason I start and play Zaza this year is because of last years OVERALL performance. I think he’s earning it. Like many of you I’ve seen him blow enough layups and dunks last year alone to know he’s not our C of the future. Backup C maybe. I like Benson over Scott with our roster…but I would like to think Ferry isn’t done making moves yet. I like the look of this team more than previous ones, but the lack of PF/C size especially off the bench will hurt. Too many G/F types.

Some initiative moves our players could make… Hopefully Zaza, Al, and Josh are working on some post moves. Zaza needs to work on his hands and finishing ability. Teague- embrace the PG role and a little shooting touch. Teague, Jenkins, Al- defense and intensity. Ivan- consistency (pts/reb/def). Energy level is excellent and very consistent. We NEED MORE players with this edge. LouWill- do what you do…consistent volume bench scoring. Josh- free throws. Less 3’s and fewer long 2’s. You’re not Kobe or KD, play to your strengths. MScott- don’t be a waste of a roster spot, show us you can contribute. I’ve left off the others because I think these are the most important to the teams success this year.

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Its something about Bob Weiss and Larry Drew together (or apart) that strikes me as commical.

So Larry “Phew” is trying to learn some thing over seas? How hard is it to figure out we need a real center not name Al Horford ?

Speaking of Al, his 4 loud fans keep saying , ” well we know Al is a liability defensively but he is shooting better than 50%…. ”

Idiots. sit down. Any one who is standing under the basket should make at the least half of his shots.Hell, Al’s Twin Jon Koncak shot 61% in 89-90.

Hell Both Dampier and Collins shot nearly 55% what a Joke How do you not make more than 1/2 of your shots right under the basket?

Last year there were 18 centers in the NBA who shot 50%. What does that tell you?

Al, Koncak, Dampier and Collins are All SCRUBS.

With Al in our front court the hawks are closer to the Lottery than a championship.

The only real player left on this team is Josh, who lead the NBA playoffs in rebounds per game. 13.5 rebounds in the playoffs. More than any other player.

Al can go to hell with that bull s hit. scrub as play

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Al horford is the new Marvin Williams .

How do you not make more than 50% of your shots standing under the basket. and yes Al was 0ne of more than have of the centers to do that. Its almost a given unless you are a long range shooter. All most all of the centers should make 45% or more and get at least 7 rebound. Thats pretty easy to do.

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“Speaking of Al, his 4 loud fans keep saying , ” well we know Al is a liability defensively but he is shooting better than 50%…. ”” T-s

Good evening, T-s.

Allow me to disagree. In Horford’s last full season (2010-2011) he received 7 votes for the NBA All-Defensive Team, including 3 first team votes. He had the same number of votes as Josh, but Josh only had 1 first team vote (which is of course, a travesty). Here’s a link for you:

http://www.examiner.com/article/2011-all-defensive-team-announced

So at least 3 coaches thought he deserved to be on the first team All NBA Defensive Team. And of course, that would be OTHER than LD, since you cannot vote for your own players.

I wouldn’t call that a “liability”. But you are welcome to your opinion.

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Oh, my bad, I see the discussion is about stats and had nothing to do with popularity Votes.

I guess what I should have addressed was that Al’s stats. Al’s 4 loud fans (of which I am ring leader), often like to site Al’s 50+% shooting and ignore that he stands right under the basket and is supposed to.

When we compare Al to Dampier or Collins we find that they have very similar stats. In fact, the one T.S. Like to compare Al to is Jon Koncak, who like Al had 1 average year and many subpar years.. Ironically, that year Koncak shot 61% far better than Al ever did.

While I am not saying Al is 100% like Jon Koncak, there are some similarities, however Al is more like Marvin than Koncak in terms of being over paid.

But the bottom line is I apologize to T.S. AL Pct stat that I brag about so much is actually the norm for a guy who stands right under the basket on offense. You are right T.S. He should make those, as does 18 other centers in the NBA who shoot 50% or better. I’ll have to find another way to defend Al.

Have a Good evening T.S.

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This is all we need to say to defend Al sautee. You and I both know he will be good one day. Until then read the link below.

blogs.ajc.com/hawks/?p=6270&cp=10

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Al committed 7 turnovers in a pivotal playoff game costing the hawks the season and ruining the heart filled and hard work of Zaza Ivan and Smoove

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Good points guys.Let me add a couple. Offensive rbs are much harder to get than defensive ones because of position. You really have to fight to get an offensive rebound. That said look at the all time hawk leaders for offensive rebounds.

Offensive Rebounds
1. Kevin Willis 2615
2. Dominique Wilkins* 2531
3. Tree Rollins 1902
4. John Drew 1878
5. Dan Roundfield 1542
6. Josh Smith 1276
7. Dikembe Mutombo 1228
8. Cliff Levingston 1177
9. Alan Henderson 1153
10. Zaza Pachulia 1115

DID ANY ONE SEE AL’S NAME ON THE LIST?

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1. Dominique Wilkins* 8752
2. Bob Pettit* 7349
3. Lou Hudson 6570
4. Cliff Hagan* 5239
5. John Drew 4545
6. Kevin Willis 4382
7. Joe Johnson 4007
8. Eddie Johnson 3801
9. Josh Smith 3480
10. Bill Bridges 3269

no AL here either guys.

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Sorry guys left this off.

Points
1. Dominique Wilkins* 23292
2. Bob Pettit* 20880
3. Lou Hudson 16049
4. Cliff Hagan* 13447
5. John Drew 12621
6. Joe Johnson 10606
7. Kevin Willis 10582
8. Eddie Johnson 9631
9. Josh Smith 9044
10. Zelmo Beaty 8727

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I know the haters are going to hate this Josh is now on the hawks 3pt list at # 10.

3-Pt Field Goals
1. Mookie Blaylock 1050
2. Joe Johnson 908
3. Jason Terry 648
4. Steve Smith 549
5. Dominique Wilkins* 500
6. Mike Bibby 475
7. Jamal Crawford 282
8. Marvin Williams 215
9. Craig Ehlo 210
10. Josh Smith 206

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Ok just 2 more

Who is there day in day out?

Games
1. Dominique Wilkins* 882
2. Tree Rollins 814
3. Bob Pettit* 792
4. Kevin Willis 753
5. Cliff Hagan* 745
6. Lou Hudson 730
7. Jon Koncak 717
8. Bill Bridges 683
9. Eddie Johnson 619
10. Josh Smith 600

Who is putting in the work, Who is making it happen for the Hawks?

That would be Josh Smith. @ # 8

Minutes Played
1. Dominique Wilkins* 32545
2. Bob Pettit* 30690
3. Lou Hudson 25825
4. Bill Bridges 23574
5. Kevin Willis 22588
6. Cliff Hagan* 21731
7. Tree Rollins 20763
8. Josh Smith 20395
9. Joe Johnson 19733
10. Lenny Wilkens* 19552

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“Al committed 7 turnovers in a pivotal playoff game costing the hawks the season and ruining the heart filled and hard work of Zaza Ivan and Smoove”

I believe that was game 5 and put Boston up 3 games to 2 If Al hadnt blown that game were up 3-2 and guaranteed to extend the Series to 7. Yea, Al fcked that up.

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IGNORANCE is a commodity that every human possesses, that’s called STUPIDITY.
+ you are an anal minded moron

Its stupid anal minded moron as s holes who come on here and say the same things over and over and then over again Muther Fckers.
When they continuously reject or refuse to accept that knowledge, no matter how many times or different ways it’s presented, and they hide their DELUSIONAL BS by using multiple names, yet continuously repeat the same STUPID DELUSIONAL BS over and over, then that’s called EMOTIONALLY DISTURBED, or INSANE. We definitely have at least 1 or 2 who fit this definition on these blogs. because they are psychologically damaged and just don’t know how to act. We’re seeing more and more of that type of mental deficiency being played out daily on these blogs by STEVEN A SMITH, and all of the various TS manifestations.

Only an extremely sick and immature mind could consistently derive any pleasure or satisfaction out of such a childish endeavor. It’s been said that there’s a thin line between genius and insanity, you anal minded moron. as s holes only sautee and I are geniuses the rest of you are truely insane, but they’re also dumber than 2 dead gnats.That is TS and Steven A. Smith and any other Anal minded as s hole moron psycho muther fcker who is not a fan of Al horford Fck you. Get some help you sick anal minded MORONS!!!!!!

and another thing go see a psycho doctor like me As s hole. Me and Sautee are the only smart ones and we are Al horford fans right Sautee?

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I am so tired of trying to defend Al horford so I sat out of this site most of the year. I just shook my head watching the hawks play so much better with out Al.

I cant defend Al any longer he has had ample enough time to deliver and has failed. Many times he did not try. I will no longer do like Sautee and Ken. I will not twist facts or ignore truths to help; Al horford.

Sorry Ken, Sautee. I agree. Al is whats holding this team back. We cant even trade Al.

Al is the new Marvin William. Id like to see Danny Ferry pull off a Al Horford Trade. Looks like he tried this summer but couldnt find any takers.

I cant say I blame the other teams. They are not stupid. Al is the new Marvin William. We cant trade him so we are stuck with him. SMH

Al is the new Marvin Williams

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That wasn’t me at 10:42 pm that was T.S.

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So many people want Al traded till this site has opened complaining about Al

http://www.talk-sports.net/nba/sucks.aspx/Al_Horford

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that wasn’t me at 11:07 pm

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