Atlanta Hawks: Free agent James Anderson gets camp invite
Hawks GM Danny Ferry says Spurs free agent James Anderson has been invited to join the team’s veterans camp. Anderson apparently will accept, according to a tweet by former teammate Danny Green.
Anderson, 23, likely will join the Hawks on a summer contract. If it proves to be a good fit for team and player, Anderson would be signed to the roster on a non-guaranteed contract to fill the defensive-minded wing role Ferry is seeking (though it’s notable that Anderson has played most of his minutes at shooting guard).
Anderson, San Antonio’s first-round pick in the 2010 draft, has played just 889 total minutes in two seasons. During that limited time his offensive production and efficiency have been bad. Anderson’s defensive on-court, off-court and opponent PER have been positive but his Synergy defensive stats have been poor, especially in isolation.
All of that comes with the usual Small Sample Size Disclaimer. Obviously Ferry, who saw Anderson up close as a Spurs executive, believes Anderson has potential. Anderson was a very good offensive player at Oklahoma State, as Michael Kamalsky noted at DraftExpress.com before the 2010 draft:
James Anderson was nothing short of spectacular last season, and it shows here. His 1.07 overall PPP ranks second amongst all players, as do his 20 possessions used per-game. He was above the PPP every in every situation except for guarded catch and shoot situations, and has more experience running the pick and roll (2.9 Pos/G) than any other player on our rankings. High usage/high-efficiency players are extremely difficult to come by, and NBA teams may want to ponder if they’re missing the boat on Anderson due to the fact that he has not been spectacular in workouts. The same thing happened last year with Marcus Thornton.
Michael A. De Leon, writing for Project Spurs, says Anderson is a good pick up for Ferry:
The Hawks, who could use some help at shooting guard with the loss of Joe Johnson, could be making quite the sleeper move here. Anderson is a capable scorer and slasher and at times showed signs of improving on the defensive end, but he lost his confidence with the Spurs after he failed to make an impression on the coaching staff when he stepped in for Manu [Ginobili] against Golden State last season.
Anderson had been the sixth or seventh man off the bench and when the Spurs started Green after Anderson’s [disappointing] performance, Anderson’s time on the floor began going downhill and at times didn’t come off the bench at all.
Clearly the Hawks could use more help at small forward than at shooting guard. If Anderson can play the wing and prove to be a competent offensive player and reliable defender, he could earn a job and a role with the Hawks.
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194 comments Add your comment
Neon Cowboy
August 27th, 2012
12:59 pm
First for the hell of it.
Macaroni Tony
August 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
that’s good, Let’s go Hawks.
CrimeWire
August 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
Typo?
“If it proves to be a good fit for team and player, Green would be signed”
Did you mean “Anderson would be signed”?
Neon Cowboy
August 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
I like the pickup…Hopefully he’ll be able to show his skills…GO HAWKS!
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
August 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
*Yawn* *Yawn* *Yawn*
Michael Cunningham
August 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
@CrimeWire: “Typo?”
more like brainlock. fixed.
ryan
August 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
With D12 off the market Hawks news is boring with these mega teams LA , NY , Miami NBA just is not that interesting anymore looking forward to college football and NFL .
ignition
August 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
Apparently this guy is a shooting guard, who can’t shoot..
And is a mediocre defender…
So why bother ??
rainman34
August 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
He was a great shooter in college not sure what happened.
Glenn
August 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
The Hawks need a big; they seem to be getting right back into a rut of going heavy on one group of players and ignoring the rest to the detriment of the team. You have five guys on the court at the same time, and at least half the time they’ll be playing defense if the Hawks play “small ball”.
Priest Lauderdale
August 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
joshua
August 27th, 2012
1:44 pm
@rainman34 as a coach myself. College is way different to pro. I’ve played both. You can’t really expect every college player that plays well to move to pro and continue the susses.
The Truth
August 27th, 2012
1:56 pm
“Hawks GM Danny Ferry says Spurs free agent James Anderson has been invited to join the team’s veterans camp”
Danny has gone from pursuing players like:
Rashard Lewis – 6′-10″ SF
Anthony Randolph – 6′-11″ SF
Presumably seeking a long SF, to inviting a struggling James Anderson – 6′-6″ SG to fill that position. It begs the questions:
Is Danny selling out this season? Does LD really have a fair shot at renewing his contract when 50% of the Hawks roster is made-up with 6′-6″ and under guards?
Heisenberg
August 27th, 2012
2:04 pm
Zack Lowe of SI speculates maybe Hawks could be positioning for James Harden…
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/08/21/james-harden-okc-thunder-potential-trade/?sct=nba_wr_a3&sct=nba_bf2_a4
Sam
August 27th, 2012
2:05 pm
Great signing. I remember when he got drafted by the Spurs. I was hopng the Hawks would draft him with their pick. If I remember correctly, he was a bit of a slasher coming out of college. I can’t remember what kinda jumper he had.
Ra'mon
August 27th, 2012
2:05 pm
The Truth, Ferry hasn’t sold out anything. He hasn’t given a contract. He’s basically just extended a chance for someone to TRYOUT for the team. What is wrong with that? And I’m confident there will be more moves made before the season starts.
tyger
August 27th, 2012
2:09 pm
I’ve heard good things of James Anderson…
A good player needing an opportunity…
we have young length in F, Keith Benson…
Deshawn Stevenson is a good defensive piece…
Spurs make living capitalizing on sleepers like this…
Very confident in Ferry’s ability to pick the 12th,13th man…
glw
August 27th, 2012
2:14 pm
Anderson is a good pickup especially since its on a non guaranteed deal, which means he is still likely to go out and get a more established veteran too.
Hoopshype is reporiting that Anthony Tolliver is interested in Atlanta and the feeling is mutual.
Grimey
August 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
Glad were giving this kid a shot, he maybe can gel with our type of offense. Looking forward to atlanta having their own bench mob
Grimey
August 27th, 2012
2:39 pm
Keith Benson and Anthony tolliver can get a camp invite as well
O'Brien
August 27th, 2012
2:39 pm
I remember while at OU, he was referred to as Big game James, because he made big shots. And if we were looking for SG help, I would be more in favor of it. But he is a 6’6” SG, who (imo) is better suited on offense instead of defense. But given his price, I can understand Ferry wanting to try him out (especially since he has seen him up close and personal with the Spurs).
However, I would prefer someone who has played mostly SF, and is 6’7” and above.
steve brown
August 27th, 2012
2:40 pm
Watch Anderson’s college highlights at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Vf98a3lEQ
and you will get excited. Hopefully was just a bad fit with the Spurs. One would think Ferry knows.
Grimey
August 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
I think ferry does know better than us i mean he drafted this guy didnt he? Ill expect big from big game james SG/SF hybrid, he looks like he can be a great role player with the 2nd or 3rd unit
O'Brien
August 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
FTPB,
Ms Dee,
I’m not sure who #2 is, but imo, the top 4 centers in the East (off the top of my head) are Bynum, Hibbert, Noah, and Horford.
Ra'mon
August 27th, 2012
2:54 pm
According to Hoopshype, Anthony Tolliver is really liking Atlanta.
The Truth
August 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
“The Truth, Ferry hasn’t sold out anything. He hasn’t given a contract. He’s basically just extended a chance for someone to TRYOUT for the team. What is wrong with that? And I’m confident there will be more moves made before the season starts”
Ra’mon
I just beg the questions. I certainly don’t have any insight as to what Danny is doing or really thinking. But his actions solicited that response especially given how his roster is made up. But apparently I’m not alone in this observation of the Hawks roster:
“Free-agent Anthony Tolliver said he’s intrigued by Atlanta, a team that has great interest in him. “I don’t think they have a guy on their roster with that skill set with shooting and versatility,’’ Tolliver said about being a big man who can step out on the floor.” – hoopshype
Albeit Tolliver is listed as a 6′-8″ center and a SF, even he can see shortcomings on the roster. But at least Danny is talking to him and hopefully others. Danny non-guaranteed contract requirement really limits his options. It suggests this hunt for quality will yield very little. Hopefully I am wrong.
We Shall See
The Truth
August 27th, 2012
2:58 pm
“Albeit Tolliver is listed as a 6′-8″ center and not a SF”
SteveW
August 27th, 2012
2:59 pm
I’ve been advocating obtaining Anthony Tolliver for a few years now – I think he may have been in DLeague a few years back or something when I first noticed his skill set – maybe GSW’s – can’t remember.
The dude is listed as a 4, but I think he can give some quality backup minutes at the 3 – he’s got a jumper that can be deadly. Good size also.
If we got Tolliver – we’d probably be giving up on either Scott or Jordan Williams.
MsDee
August 27th, 2012
3:00 pm
OB,
That’s easy, ITS HORFORD!! Trust me, after this season, its him!! Like I wrote before in another blog, Horford will surprise alot of his haters on here. They say he has no post moves to be a great center even tho he plays good defense and rebounds well.(Oh and for those about to say he plays no good defense, well maybe because Drew would take him out in a blink of an eye if he picks up 1 foul towards the end of 1st quarter. Horford was afraid he would be bench if he picked up another one). But back to what I was saying..who NEEDS great post moves when u have excellent passers in Josh AND Harris on your team? Horford KNOWS how to finish around the basket, he has a great 15-18fter, and is pretty good at the FT line. With JJ gone and now great outside shooters on the team, it will leave Horford open more than every b4, him and Josh! So im not worried about Horford, DUDE WILL BE ‘BOSS AL’ THIS SEASON, MARK MY WORDS!! HIS JERSEY WILL BE MINES THIS SEASON!!
SteveW
August 27th, 2012
3:00 pm
OB – I wouldn’t leave Greg Monroe out of that discussion – I’m not sure he’s not 2nd right now behind Bynum – and the cat is only 22 years old or something.
I take Monroe over Hibbert or Noah all day long…
Melvin
August 27th, 2012
3:00 pm
This would be a good camp invite. This guy has the NBA skills set to play on the wing. At 6′6 ,he’s the same height as Iggy and no one complain about him being too small to play SF. Heck, Paul Peirce is 6′7. Outside of Lebron, Durant and Melo (which these guys play alot of PF), there aren’t too many other SFs that take advantage of their height in the paint.
MsDee
August 27th, 2012
3:04 pm
And with Drew on the chopping line, Horford wont have to worry about that any longer. He will be comfortable and confident in playing solid defense on a regular basis sense Drew will HAVE to behave!
drmaryb .("_*).
August 27th, 2012
3:08 pm
We’re all excited about more losers added to the roster! THRILLED!!
SteveW
August 27th, 2012
3:09 pm
And I think Josh (turns 27 Dec. 5th) and Al at age 26 are going to shock some people in the ATL and the NBA this season.
Did anybody see Josh play last season? The dude was a beast – a mini LeBron type beast. Offense, smarts, passing and assists, blocks and steals – the dude was a 5 tool beast. Tough as nails.
Ya’ll know I’ve been critical of Josh’s complaining, taking too many plays off, sulking, stupid passes and J’s in years gone by.
But last years Josh, while still having some of those traits – especially the J’s and dumb passes on the break – the guy definitely stepped up his game to another level.
While I liked JJ – Josh was clearly the best player on the team last season. Probably top 20 in the NBA, and could move into the top 15 this season, with Dirk, PP, Garnett, Gasol and those types getting old.
Josh even played the 5 spot a couple of times – and did great there.
I ain’t worried about Josh carrying his load no matter where we play him, PF, SF – the guys a player – he may be the best Hawk since JJ in his prime.
He’s close to being the best Hawk since Dominique and Kevin Willis (people forget he was a beast as well).
SteveW
August 27th, 2012
3:11 pm
Josh moved past Mookie, Steve Smith, and Dikembe last season too me. Liked all of those guys also also being a Hawks fan.
And you could argue the Dikembe point, but I digress.
SteveW
August 27th, 2012
3:13 pm
I think 6-6 220 is plenty big enough to play the 3 in the NBA on most nights.
I’d like to see us give Morrow a shot there also. He’s 6-5.5 w/o shoes, and weighs around 220
SteveW
August 27th, 2012
3:19 pm
Kevin Willis – He had a 18.3 ppg and 15.6 rpg season for us, and a couple more 12+ rpg seasons – averaged 19.1 ppg one season also.
That guy would be getting max type money if he were around today.
glw
August 27th, 2012
3:33 pm
I think if Tolliver is signed, he is a combo forward, maybe we use him more against the physical 3’s like Lebron and Carmelo of the league.
D Stevenson is tired of yall saying he aint got offensive skills. He working on his handle and his trey game.
http://iamagm.com/article/video-deshawn-stevenson-acting-like-a-_______-at-an-orlando-proam-game#.UDvA0Yl5mc0
Big Ump
August 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
drmaryb
Good to hear from you. How everything?
Astro Joe
August 27th, 2012
3:48 pm
UGH, we have now reached the level of suggesting that someone can help us based solely on his height and weight.
Please, let July, 2013 come soon.
Tokyo Tom
August 27th, 2012
3:48 pm
Ms. Dee has it right- a healthy Al and more mature Josh (Team MVP last year, playing for a contract this year) will be awesome down low, and Teague & Harris in the backcourt, the team is coming together. Still would like to see who is at SF and how 2nd team rotation will look behind Zaza but plenty of playoff potential this year.
Regarding the best center in the east- Bynum gets the NYC pub, Garnett the old guy love but, with Howard gone, I can certainly see where Horford could be best of the class this year. Go get ‘em Al!
Astro Joe
August 27th, 2012
3:51 pm
After we add Anderson, we should try and sign Patrick O’Bryant, David Harrison or Solomon Alabi. They are all good sized individuals.
Has Darius Miles been out of the league long enough for him to get a chance to rehab his career as our SF? How about Tim Thomas?
Astro Joe
August 27th, 2012
3:54 pm
The Anderson camp invite likely ends the Pape Sy era once and for all.
O'Brien
August 27th, 2012
4:01 pm
Melvin,
The difference (imo) is Iggy, Pierce etc has played most of his career as a SF. James has played most of his as a SG. So even if we get a 6′6″ guy as our SF, I would prefer it to be someone who has played mostly at SF.
AJ,
At 7′0″, 250 lbs, I think Harrison would be a good fit because he is the perfect size and weight to be a center…especially if he can beat out Petro, who is only 7′, 247 lbs
PGS
August 27th, 2012
4:07 pm
Done my research
At 6′5.75 ,he’s 1 inch shorter than Andre “Iggy” Iguodala.
Worse his wingspan length is firmly in guard status at 6′ 8.5″. That’s just an inch more than Jeff Teague the point ‘guard’.
Paul Peirce by comparison is an inch taller at 6′7 with at least a 20 lb (230+ to Anderson’s 208 -210 lbs).
Outside of Josh, the Hawks don’t have a counter to Pierce, Lebron, Durant and Melo, guys who are matchup nightmares at SF/PF and abuse guards. And Anderson certainly is not anything but a red ‘carpet’ for these guys as evidenced by his defensive stats and diminutive nature.
This would be a bad camp invite and I think Mr. Danny Ferry might be reaching on account of liking smart players who can shoot. But he has been a bad shooter and he cant defend, as evidenced by having a worse defensive rating than Tony Parker his rookie season, 10 points worse than the leader, Tim Duncan. His 2nd year it was more of the same on less minutes.
For comp, Jamal “the SIEVE*” Crawford was only 9 points worse (both years) than our leader in defense efficiency, Josh Smith (* wink at Rod from CP)
I dont think its an issue where defending bigger stronger guys will help Andersen. It could help but at this point I’d have to question what Ferry is doing though.
O'Brien
August 27th, 2012
4:13 pm
At 6′7″, 210 lbs, Sy wasn’t big enough to play SF anyway
PGS
August 27th, 2012
4:14 pm
Regarding the best center in the east- Bynum gets the NYC pub, Garnett the old guy love but, with Howard gone, I can certainly see where* Horford could be best of the class this year. Go get ‘em Al!
* where being widespread under-performance and/or injuries, the latter of which is more likely
Lopez, Hibbert, Bynum, Monroe, Drummond
Im reachin on Drummond just because but come on, I would not be surprised to see the return of
Al “Ridin that AS Pine” Horford. I dont see how he gets in over healthy Bynum as a starter.
Also we forgot Tyson “Gold US Olympian+champ center” Chandler.
And if Garnett is considered a center now then just forget it. Maybe thats a good thing so Hawks can stop harshing on adding another PF/C big man to help Josh and Al. Like versatile banger Dejuan Blair. Or the banger Ezeli. Oops missed the last one.
The Truth
August 27th, 2012
4:18 pm
PGS
Nice info, certainly sheds light on the obvious
Astro Joe
August 27th, 2012
4:23 pm
OB, yeah, I almost said (in response to Anderson being the same size as Iggy, Pierce, etc.) that he is also about the same size as Pape Sy and Cedric Bozeman. But I decided not to go there.
Seriously, it is pretty rare that a team opts to cut a 1st round draft pick loose after only 2 years. And considering that a team with a terrific history of developing younger players did it, I wouldn’t exactly pencil this guy in as a rotation player just yet.
NORRIS CHUCK
August 27th, 2012
4:38 pm
Free-agent Anthony Tolliver said he’s intrigued by Atlanta, a team that has great interest in him. “I don’t think they have a guy on their roster with that skill set with shooting and versatility,’’ Tolliver said about being a big man who can step out on the floor.
When Tolliver was with Cleveland several years ago, Hawks GM Danny Ferry was the GM there. Tolliver also said he has a “really good relationship’’ with Wes Wilcox, then with Cleveland and now Hawks assistant GM. Sulia
Ra'mon
August 27th, 2012
4:40 pm
AJ, thank you! Would rather have a 6′4 SF who can produce, than a 6′8 SF who’s just 6′8.
One thing people aren’t considering is, if the Hawks every went with Teague – Harris – Williams in the backcourt to close the game, how hard would it be for a SF to guard Williams or Harris? There’s no way any SF not named Lebron or AI could stay in front of either of those guys. That leads to more driving and dishing like Captain D’s.
Buddy Grizzard
August 27th, 2012
5:00 pm
If we sign Tolliver, does that make Josh a full-time SF?
Melvin
August 27th, 2012
5:07 pm
O’Brien,
The SG and SF positions are basically interchangeable. They are basically played from the perimeter (Wing). It all depends on match up and personnel.
UGA
August 27th, 2012
5:13 pm
I just watched some tape of Tolliver vs the Thunder and Heat this season. He guarded both LeBron and Durant.
Ken Strickland
August 27th, 2012
5:22 pm
If Anderson has a good enough training camp and preseason, him making the team could make it a lot easier for us to include AMorrow or KKorver in a trade for a starting SF. He would appear to be a better option as a SF/SG combo than Korver or Morrow, assuming he can recover his confidence.
The Truth
August 27th, 2012
5:23 pm
Maybe this article will also shed on the typical duties of the SF. Just being a “shooter” is not enough:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/48187/no-such-thing-as-a-tweener-anymore
“First consider what small forwards do. A great way to start this exercise is to spend a few minutes watching small forward Andre Iguodala play defense. A typical possession starts with him sprinting through and around screens. Then, his man may end up as the screener in a pick-and-roll with the point guard. Iguodala then must swallow up a point guard, then dig down to stop a pass to the post with his long arms, and then use his quickness to recover to the perimeter. Yes, Iguodala is strong, smart, and long — but most of all he’s lightning quick and moving all over the place.”
steven a smith
August 27th, 2012
6:01 pm
If we could trade Al Horford for a starting 3, we could then utilize Josh more effectively at the 4.
doc
August 27th, 2012
6:23 pm
o’b, not sure but did you leave off the guy i think tops them all, chandler in new york?
i would take a 6′6″ guy who plays bigger at that position than a 6′8″ guy who played a lot smaller. i dont suspect this guy to take over the position but if he does it will remind me of a younger and better mo evans if that happens. this isnt costing us more than a look which is what aj does for his kicks whenever he goes to the mall is my guess. eh aj?
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
7:00 pm
steven a smith
August 27th, 2012
6:01 pm
“If we could trade Al Horford for a starting 3, we could then utilize Josh more effectively at the 4.”
WHo did you have in mind Steven A? Wait Till he meets Bynum..That will be classic..Maybe not..
“Hater (slang), a person who expresses intense feelings of hatred or spite” -Wikipedia-
Abuse of this word [Hater] is rampant on this Hawks blog for sure. Just my two cent…Hmmmm
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
7:08 pm
Scottie Pippen= bench mark 3 for sure..
A lock down defender who had the size and skill set to defend the opposition’s best scorer.. And on some nights would be a leading scorer himself..Could dish out assists, could shoot well. Just an all around great basketball player at the 3. One of my of all time favorites..Wish he had played for the Knicks! LOL!
FYI, Scottie makes Andre look like a “D” League player…
brigadierjerry
August 27th, 2012
7:10 pm
slimjr,
do u think jefferson is better than horford?
where do u rank horford as a center?as a pf?
vava74
August 27th, 2012
7:14 pm
We are not building a roster to compete for the title this year.
This year is “test mode”.
First test is Josh as the main cog. As #1.
If Ferry does not like what he sees, he will trade Josh too for assets.
Test and development mode.
We don’t need to discuss who will guard Durant, Lebron, …
That’s not this year’s fight.
Grimey
August 27th, 2012
7:20 pm
I rank horford as a PF
Smith loses weight and gains quickness like his rookie year slashing and dunking. he plays SF the al PF
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
7:27 pm
Jefferson has more God given talent than AL but Al appears to be more mature. Give Al credit.. He comes to play every night! He maximizes his limitations…
Some blogger said he maybe the best center in the East? Bynum and KG may have something to say about that..
I like that 7′1″ Center in NewYork who is obviously better at protecting the rim by meters…
vava74
August 27th, 2012
7:31 pm
Slimjr,
Din’t you have a Knick blog where to go and type gibberish?
Or did they ban you because you didn’t like Kurt Thomas?
coachroy
August 27th, 2012
7:33 pm
anthony t. will be a backup pf for the hawks if he signs
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
7:34 pm
I have not seen Al play enough at the 4? But in my minds eye comparing his skills to say LaMarcus Aldridge, I’d say let him continue to play the 5 in the Weak azz East and regain his Allstar status from a couple of coaches again….
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
7:55 pm
Bjerry lets hope the Knicks and Hawks meet in the 1st round..It will be crazy like that 98 series..
brigadierjerry
August 27th, 2012
7:59 pm
slimjr that is a fair answer. i dont mind when u give concrete answers.
vava,
i agree with ur post in regards to this year evaluation mode for the hawks team. i think he will feature josh smith as number one guy and go from there
steven a smith
August 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
7:00 pm
Loul Deng would be a great fit for the Hawks. He is a better defender, rebounder, and scorer than Al.
brigadierjerry
August 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
slimjr,
that was not a competitve series and u mean 1999.
hawks in better shape long term than knicks are and had a better last decade than knicks
brigadierjerry
August 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
stephen a smith,
why r u comparing deng a sf to horford a center in abilities?
also curious how far do u go back with hawks or nba in general?do u live in ga?
also how would hawks get deng?trading horford?u said horford not good so how hawks getting deng?
steven a smith
August 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
brigadierjerry
August 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
The money matches, Bulls may decide he is too expensive to keep along with Boozer. Addition by subtraction. Taj Gibson may be someone the will not want to part with.
I was born and raised in LaGrange Georgia, now i live in Florida. I watched the Hawks when Lou Hudson and Pistol Pete played, however, i was more of a Washington Bullets fan back then.
Mike is Back
August 27th, 2012
8:23 pm
Good move Danny, however, if this move includes IVAN coming back…then I’m coooooooooool.
steven a smith
August 27th, 2012
8:26 pm
DraftExpress.com–Al Horford is listed 6″8″.75(without shoes) Anthony Tolliver listed as 6″7″.75(without shoes). Both were in the 2004 NBA Draft.
Steve
August 27th, 2012
8:37 pm
Let’s just run Horford, Smith, Teague and two SG’s continually. At least we will be more entertaining. Sub in Zaza for Al, Ivan for Smith, Devin for Teague and continue with the 2 SG’s.
Korver, Morrow, Williams, and Jenkins all all basically SG’s than can shoot well enough to cause major problems for the defense.
Steve
August 27th, 2012
8:46 pm
“Loul Deng would be a great fit for the Hawks. He is a better defender, rebounder, and scorer than Al.”
LMAO. Now that’s funny. I don’t care who you are!
Horford per/36 minute numbers dwarf Deng’s. Heck, even if you look at per game numbers Deng is less in RPG. Also, only a fool would talk smack on last years numbers given how little Al played. Compare the 2010 numbers for Horford and Dung wouldn’t even qualify to be on the same court. The defense is questionable as Deng is a decent man-up defender that get’s lost in rotations because he is trying to get the sneaky blocks.
Horford is also under contract for three more years at a team friendly price, whereas Deng only has one more year.
No thanks. Anyone who thinks Deng for Horford would be a good trade for Atlanta just doesn’t know basketball.
brigadierjerry
August 27th, 2012
8:55 pm
stepehn a,
why would bulls do that?they have gibson noah boozer?so u tell me hawks are better with deng minus horford?i dont see it.
brigadierjerry
August 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
stephen a smith,
on top of that deng has a bad hand. i think u treat horford as a player the way most treated marvin williams
Ken Strickland
August 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
Do you remember that ESPN commercial that had people who didn’t subscribe to ESPN talking out of their A$$ES? Well, these HORFORD HATERS definitely fall into that category. How else would you classify anyone that’s stupid enough to claim LDeng is a better rebounder and fit for the Hawks than Horford. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
9:42 pm
Shaq going for 61pts tonight on NBA Classics[March 6,2000] at the Clippers!
Big Ray
August 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
The Anderson camp invite likely ends the Pape Sy era once and for all.
There was a Pape Sy era?
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
9:49 pm
LAMAR ODOM is playing in this game..He looks 15! Heh heh heh
Big Ray
August 27th, 2012
9:54 pm
No thanks. Anyone who thinks Deng for Horford would be a good trade for Atlanta just doesn’t know basketball.
LOL…you have to remember who you’re dealing with. Some guys on here want Horford gone in the worst way, and are willing to isolate Josh Smith down low to get it done. Not only that, but the geniuses would love to make Chicago even stronger than they are already.
By all means, lets trade them somebody who will allow them to unload the defensively challenged, oft-injured, inconsistent, and overpaid Carlos Boozer.
Absolute brilliance. I guess some folks want to be beaten even WORSE by Chicago.
After all, Luol Deng or some other starting SF who isn’t a star (much less an all-star) is how you win in the NBA.
Big Ray
August 27th, 2012
9:55 pm
That 7′1″ guy sure showed those Miami Heat that they couldn’t score at the basket in the playoffs last season….oh wait….the Heat scored inside at will….OOOPS!
Big Ray
August 27th, 2012
9:59 pm
Knicks can’t win for 4 reasons:
1) Dolan = moron.
2) Mike Woodson with a bigger ISO option than Joe Johnson was (Carmelo Anthony) and a team that will NOT listen to his defensive ideas (starting with Carmelo).
3) Can’t ever figure out the PG position.
4) Carmelo “I will score 30 but do nothing else to help the team and I’m not a leader by any stretch of the imagination” Anthony. He’s a hell of a talent. But not a guy you build around unless you have a brilliant GM and an equally brilliant coach. Even then, you might not ever make it. Ask Denver…
Big Ray
August 27th, 2012
10:00 pm
Now back to Slimjr and his youtubing…or whatever he’s doing…
MaxxHawk
August 27th, 2012
10:13 pm
Wow, no risk and potentially huge reward here. Great move to get this guy into camp.
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
10:14 pm
Gentlemen: [That includes all of you..]
I present Mr. Anderson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_nIxpxDDtE
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
10:21 pm
Shoot BRay what are you a freaking psychic? ha ha ha
How bout them Fal-cons..Bradley predicts 12-4… What say you?
The real Chuck Norris
August 27th, 2012
10:26 pm
I wish you could write about us getting a new hawks beat writers. The one we got is awful.
The real Chuck Norris
August 27th, 2012
10:32 pm
“I have not seen Al play enough at the 4? But in my minds eye comparing his skills to say LaMarcus Aldridge, ” – Idiot
I was thinking more like Koncak or Zaza with out the heart or fight. Yea Al is more like Koncak. As a power forward he be more like a bench player or trade bait. I really hope Zaza is the starting center and Josh at his regular power forward. Let Al come of the bench or if he really wants to be traded like he has said more than once then go ahead and trade him.
The real Chuck Norris
August 27th, 2012
10:35 pm
Deng>Al
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
10:35 pm
He forgot Woody coached the Knicks to an 18-6 run during the toughest part of their schedule all season losing one of his AllStars [Amare] and his 3 point guards….
Yea OOOPS….
MaxxHawk
August 27th, 2012
10:37 pm
Trade Al for a real center and impact down low. Then the hawks can get better “)
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
10:38 pm
“I have not seen Al play enough at the 4? But in my minds eye comparing his skills to say LaMarcus Aldridge, ” – Idiot
You quoted out of context…………………. Genius
doc
August 27th, 2012
11:00 pm
slimj, you forgot in the same season of woody’s good fortune and that is possibly all it was and a shortened one at that, LD took us to the same number of games over .500 that woody got us too with a more decimated and older roster than woody did for a full season of 82 games. maybe you ought to dream of what LD could do with that roster. heh heh, so let us sit back and see it woody can catch lightening in a bottle that lasts 82 games instead of 24. how much did woody’s playoff nimbers improve? also, didnt we start about 18-6 last year slimj?
BR, amen to number one on the knicks list of impediments to success. he probably ought to be one through five then follow with other issues.
Melvin
August 27th, 2012
11:00 pm
Paul George dunk is sick….
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/paul-george-dunk-video-360-legs-windmill-shanghai-145901012–nba.html
Slimjr
August 27th, 2012
11:01 pm
“Knicks can’t win for 4 reasons:” -Mr. Crystal Ball-
He has spoken: Kneel……………………………………………………..
How bout those 3 beautiful under throws by you favorite QB the other day….
SuperBowl or Bust..
Rusty
August 27th, 2012
11:06 pm
After watching Anderson on utube it is easy to see why he went in the first round,good looking jumper & great athletic ability.
brigadierjerry
August 27th, 2012
11:14 pm
Slightly off topic but in regards to the Knicks lots of issues remain:
I will say this, when I evaluate teams, I look for things that have worked before….I think amare and felton when they were playing together under dantoni and working well was a huge plus.. it gives your offense something you know that works, besides giving it to someone and say Melo, hey, go score… from that pick and roll a lot of other things can open up.. I love offenses that run that way.. the key is, will woodson stick with that, even if it means less touches for carmelo? I remember Doc rivers addressing pierce and pretty much let pierce know that he was going to have to pick his spots, that rondo will have the ball… also
Kidd is / was a HOF player.. he no longer has those HOF skills, but he can still play and provide leadership.. I trust him with the ball..
chandler is chandler, he will be good.
camby may still have gas in the tank
prigs, I know nothing about this guy and honestly don’t expect much.. being realistic
Brewer, the guy is a scrub.. LOL.. but he can defend… nothing special tho..
Felton and amare I think they can pick up where they left off, the problem is, for them to be effective you have to run the pick and roll as a large part of the offense and it helps if you have some shooters.. other than novak, knicks really don’t.. it just seems like they are trying to mesh two players in amare and melo that need two seperate offenses to be effective. Melo iso and Amare pick and roll.
Tester
August 27th, 2012
11:46 pm
:sarcasm:
tjhook
August 28th, 2012
12:00 am
In the spirit of slimjr and his youtube educational riffs, I give you commentary from James Anderson himself. Talk about his game and who he identifies with. It may make you laugh from the irony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knh22eWy7Kw
BravesFan79
August 28th, 2012
12:05 am
Anderson over Morrow or Korver? There’s a reason why Morrow/ Korver get lots of playing time, and why Anderson is barely on any team.
I say stick Morrow at the 3, and have Stevenson be his defensive replacement!
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:22 am
AJ – The 6-6 220 being big enough to play the 3 in the League was based on many folks on here, over the course of several blogs, suggesting that they felt a bigger 3 was needed. They didn’t want Delfino at 6-6 230, because they wanted a bigger 3.
Was that you? Maybe not, sure thought it was. But if not, the point still remains – obviously you don’t want a 5-11 160 guy guarding a 6-7 235 guy on a regular basis. So there are “minimum” size requirements to play a position on a consistent basis, with rare exceptions (Mugsy, Spud, Kenneth Faried, Buck Williams, Fat Lever etc.).
I was just saying 6-6 220 is an ok size for a modern 3 in the NBA – undersized, yes, but it could work.
So what was your point again,other than a dig at me for your pointing out your idiocy concerning Jeff Teague on a fairly regular basis?
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:31 am
Now I will admit AJ, your bias against JT was showing so heavily, and was being recognized by most on the blog, that you have backed off for the most part for a few months.
And as a fan, you have a right to dislike and like whoever you please. Just keep it real. Biases can distort our perceptions of reality.
And we probably all have them to varying degrees.
I do like alot of your posts – keep it up – good for the blog!
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:34 am
Slim – What’s up with the Knicks? Folks have them pegged all over the place – from 2nd the East to missing the playoffs. I guess they do have some volatility with major question marks.
I see them as maybe a 4 or 5 seed.
The Nets vs the Knicks is going to be a brutal war this season. That’s good for basketball.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:36 am
The Nets and Knicks sure look pretty even, at least on paper. More questions with the Knicks to me however – Felton, Camby, Amare etc.
Jae Evolution
August 28th, 2012
1:23 am
Only SF I would trade for is Wilson Chandler from Denver, dude is young and loaded with talent along with being on an absolutely affordable contract.
Denver has a huge jam at SF with the addition of Iggy, unfortunately they have a logjam at nearly every position which would make a trade tough they would probably want picks, but I would do it, Wilson can be our 3 for the future and I think we should go after him when the trade restrictions expire.
vava74
August 28th, 2012
2:53 am
For the ones who were too lazy to punch the youtube link which tjhook posted, James Anderson says that the player to whom his game most resembles is Joe Johnson
:
“Not flashy, just get the job done type of guy”.
He also said that he can score the ball and get defensive stops on the other end which is exactly what JJ did for us.
sam'l
August 28th, 2012
3:49 am
The only thing that will get the Hawks through this season will be incredible team unity, guts and smarts. Every player….all the time…..doing what has to be done. Without this, the excitement and buzz I see on this blog will soon come to an end.
Smith will have to give up his occasional dumb spells. Pachulia will have to handle the ball and get quicker. Horford will have to battle. Teague will have to think like Rondo….at all times, in control….and use his speed. Everyone is going to have to come up with new all-around skills, work out like it’s important and spend extra time perfecting shots and strategies. Then, they gotta watch Boston, LA, San Antonio, OKC and even the dreaded Heat to learn how to win. Otherwise, it’s not going to work. And it won’t be pretty.
The HEAT…..As we learned last year, they DO try to injure opposing players. No matter how good they are, no matter how many steps they give Lebron, how many palms they give Wade……the Heat beat people up and undercut players in the air. Hard to like them.
Read what Lou Williams said…..He learns from other players and gives them credit. Rather lose with good guys than win with Dwight or even Paul Pierce (who like most Boston players use their brains to win games). But maybe you can win with Lou too.
Maybe you can win with Williams, Teague, Horford, Smith and Harris…….but they all gotta at their very best. Glad it’s only a game….
Just Joe
August 28th, 2012
6:09 am
I will say this about John Jenkins. If you follow his twitter account, I think all the kid does is hit the gym and sleep. Heck, he may even sleep at the gym. I think the Hawks made a good pick. This kid is working hard.
vava74
August 28th, 2012
6:49 am
Just Joe,
I am very confident that JJ mk.2 will be a very productive player in the NBA.
I think he will quickly get his share of minutes and end up starting along side Teague.
I thought at first that he was strictly a spot up shooter but he has a midrange game too with floaters and fakes.
ag
August 28th, 2012
7:11 am
“Only SF I would trade for is Wilson Chandler from Denver, dude is young and loaded with talent along with being on an absolutely affordable contract.” Jae Evolution
I agree with this move. I really like Wilson’s game.
I looked at the highlights of Anderson in college, but I also was very impressed by Marvin’s also. I even heard the commentator say he was the most talented TarHeel….
The Al hate is so out of control that again steven a smith wants ZaZa to start over Al! He even compares Al to Jon Contract. This is really funny, I want a career 7/7 guy to start over a career 12/9 guy (whom in his last full season was a 15/9 guy. ZaZa started almost all year and didn’t come close to producing what Al did. What a joke!
Mike is Back
August 28th, 2012
8:13 am
Deng for AL…geeeeeeeeeeeez…this is how bad…things have deteriorated…Al has given his all to this organization…played through injuries…probably came back quicker than he should have after the surgery…and this is the thanks he gets…again geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
I think the games in the Olympic wasn’t a true barometer…of what we are going to see when AL reports back to camp…with the extended time to recover…he will have time to work on his strength. Al has always worked hard in the offseason to improve…DUDE is a first class guy…that represents this organization well…the level of disdain for AL on blog has reached absurd levels.
You would think Al has stole some money from some of these cats…did I mention geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.lol
GO DANNY GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KevinM
August 28th, 2012
8:38 am
Ummm, Anderson first of all is no JJ. He couldn’t even get minutes in the fair and balanced Spurs attack. Anderson under LD does not all of a sudden blossom.
And does our pursuits of a SF tell you that Danny wants Josh at the 4 in the critical minutes?
I stil can’t fathom Josh being the #1 option on a team. If he is, then so is Teague.
Matt Highsmith
August 28th, 2012
8:46 am
Why do you guys call it hate when the majority of the people on this site see Al as a back up or role player? In your minds is Al some kind of God who is above criticism? Really? I think we need to get rid of Al too. We will never be able to upgrade with Al on this team.
His lack of skill on the offensive end stifles us and forces us into to the predictable pick and roll or set screen offense just to get Al involved. He is far to mechanical and predictable.
His lack of skill, and will on the defensive end means we will never get past the second round of the playoffs because you have to protect the rim and paint something Al is Allergic too.
His attitude of ” I wanna play power forward ” is disruptive and contentions to team chemistry.
He has peaked, his talent is limited. Hes injury prone.
“Deng for AL…geeeeeeeeeeeez…this is how bad…things have deteriorated…Al has given his all to this organization…played through injuries…probably came back quicker than he should have after the surgery…and this is the thanks he gets…again ” – Horford Cultist
Al has given a career average of 12pts to this team, however I agree, its his all hes got.
Al has played through injuries, yeah in five (5) years two (2) major injuries. Thats not a healthy sign for a young man. It will only get worse as he gets older. And if he had come to camp in shape he probably would not have had that injury.last year, which speaks to his work ethics
I agree again, Al came back after loafing the whole year to make 3 play off games, pick up a playoff check and make sure the hawks (who were doing fine with out him) would not make the next round.
Al farted through the playoffs committing SEVEN (7) turnovers in one (!) game, to make sure the hawks would not end on a high note after making the second round of the playoffs with out him. That was the worst stink Al had done all year. but of course he hadn’t played Al year.
Al’s coming back in the playoffs wasn’t about the team it was about Al picking up a playoff check. More, Al was the most rested man in the playoffs and should have had young springs in his legs and elevated over Boston, who was not only OLD, Tired, and worn out after playing all season log….
Instead, All put on that 7 turnover performance that pigeon holed the hawks playoff chances and put the hawks on the death kneel.
Those are facts and observations. It has nothing to do with hate. The only hate is that the hawks dont give us a better choice than AL Horford.
Derek Ovenwright
August 28th, 2012
8:48 am
KevinM Josh is our 4, has been, will be and is one of he best in the NBA. and leaps and bound better than your beloved Al Horford
Sautee
August 28th, 2012
8:50 am
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Sautee
August 28th, 2012
8:52 am
“The Al hate is so out of control that again ” – ag
Co-signing ag. Why do people hate Al so much?
Rusty
August 28th, 2012
8:58 am
Matt highsmith has to be that stupid Steve Smith.
The Al Horford Project.
August 28th, 2012
8:58 am
Whats the latest Al Horford excuse apologist?
“I think the games in the Olympic wasn’t a true barometer” – Al Horford Cultist and leading Apologist.
I dont think the playoff were a true barometer
I dont think his career average is a true barometer (12pts)
I dont think his playoff career average (11pts) is a true barometer
I dont think his 2 injuries in 5 years is a true barometer
I dont thhink his All star average (5pts) is a true barometer
The Al Horford Project.
August 28th, 2012
9:04 am
Yea, who ever is Against Al will be called Steven Smith. That way we dont have to acknowledge all the people who feel Al should have been traded with Marvin.
Al Koncak Horford.
MaxxHawk
August 28th, 2012
9:09 am
The best thing Al could have done was what Josh did,. Take his game to another level and have his critics learn to speak cricket.
But Al is not willing or capable to do that. Sorry.
Overrated
August 28th, 2012
9:11 am
Enter your comments here
Ken Strickland
August 28th, 2012
9:18 am
JUST JOE-When Reggie Millier entered the NBA, they said the same negatives about him that is being said about John Jenkins. It was said that Reggie couldn’t handle the ball well enough, couldn’t penetrate or defend, just shoot jumpers. He was also considered a gym rat as well. I think the future HOFer did an excellent job of proving the so called experts totally wrong.
If I’m not mistaken, some of the same criticisms were also said about future HOFer Ray Allen upon entering the NBA. There were also numerous so called experts who said a 6′9″ HOF PG was too tall to defend the position, too slow, didn’t have a jumpshot, and couldn’t protect the ball against the NBAs quicker faster PGs. If I’m not mistaken, they were wrong as hell once again.
Rip Hamilton had to deal with the same negative assumptions when he entered the NBA. These so called experts had reservations about George Gervin as well, concerning his lack of speed, quickness, athleticism, shooting range, ball handling, and DEF ability being a liability. John Jenkins has enough talent and proven ability to become a very effective NBA player. How good he becomes will depend on him, how hard he works, and the system he plays in.
Ken Strickland
August 28th, 2012
9:34 am
When you’re already a DUMBA$$, you need not worry about making an A$$ of yourself. That’s why we continue getting DUMBA$$ suggestions like trading AHorford for LDeng, and Deng is a better rebounder, even though facts prove otherwise. Logic, common sense and facts obviously don’t matter to a DUMBA$$. The only thing that matters is the attention derived from being a DUMBA$$.
When one continues with the same BS lies and same approach, then he/she/it reaches the supreme level of ANAL MINDED DUMBA$$, or MORON.
Ken Strickland
August 28th, 2012
9:37 am
STEVEN A SMITH-CONGRADULATIONS on your promotion, you’ve certainly earned it.
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
9:40 am
Bjerry has an interesting take on the Knicks [he lives in the area]. See above comments..
The Knicks have so many questions to answer. Also they hope not to be bitten by the injury bug again..
doc, if Larry was coaching the Knicks, doubt he would go 18-6.. just my two cents..
I also believe Anthony is overrated by a mile.. He is too one dimensional. He is a jumper shooter, nothing more…
If he could have been coached by Doc Rivers he may have learned to perform other parts of the game well.. Oh well..It is what it is..
Rusty
August 28th, 2012
9:46 am
Enter your comments here
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
9:46 am
Hey doc maybe we’ll be paying 5 dollars for a gallon of gas by the time the NBA Season kicks off. Let the games begin!
Go Mobil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
9:47 am
[jump shooter]^^^^^^^^
Rusty
August 28th, 2012
9:48 am
LD is a poor version of Woody.
Ray
August 28th, 2012
9:48 am
Slimjr
Carmelo is overrated this past season proves it the only reason Denver got to where they did when he was there were the pieces around him.
You know as they say Offense sells tickets and Carmelo certainly has that, but defense wins what….?
As for the hawks people need to realize this we lost Joe Johnson when Danny Ferry came in he knew that was the first order of business. Honestly I’m not mad we might take a step back or who knows even a step forward because if you really think Jason Collins and Eric Dampier were good you’re smoking crack.
Those two on a team like Boston would be good, but only because of how the environment is up there. Kind of like Melo in Denver a product of the environment nothing more nothing less.
Still this year wasn’t the year for us it’s next summer we don’t know if Dwight is even going to stay in L.A(doubt it especially with Kobe up in age so bad). Same thing with Bynum no one knows anything right now.
They’ve awarded L.A National Champs and the season hasn’t even started lol.
One more tidbit if I had to choose between Bynum and Howard I might have to take Bynum. Howard is dominate on Defense, but Bynum is also the same as well maybe not to the same extent, but on offense though I’d def love to have Bynum over Howard.
Ray
August 28th, 2012
9:50 am
@ Rusty
It’s so bad that I might even go lower than that as bad as Woody was L.D is almost 5x worse.
The thing is unlike Woody he doesn’t lose the respect of players cause he doesn’t single them out.
For things they’ve done wrong. More or less L.D is the coach version of Rick Sund a caretaker until someone better comes along.
Sautee
August 28th, 2012
10:12 am
Not me at 8:50 and 8:52. Regulars on the blog probably recognized that it was T-s yet again.
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
10:15 am
Ray, agree on your take in relation to Denver and Anthony’s game..
Yes Rusty, Larry Drew cost the Hawks game two[ and the series] with his miss handling of his bench/starters in the late 3rd,early 4th quarter of that game after they built an 11 point lead and had Boston on the ropes..He let them off the hook!
Yes he coached them out of winning that series with Boston..
He will be found out this year by Danny and be gone..
Larry would have coached the Knicks to a 12-12 record or worse..
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Larry Drew is 28-47 against the winners..He does not have it..He has stepped outside his gifts..
Larry Drew= Wade Phillips [Round Peg/Square Hole]
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
10:20 am
He does not have it[ Leadership skills] at the NBA Level..
Go coach Highschool….
vava74
August 28th, 2012
10:22 am
LD is an enabler. He just sat there and let the players self manage themselves (Josh and JJ since the others did not have enough pull).
Whenever he did something out of his own mind, it was pure cr@p.
LD let JJ go into ISO mode late in games and let Josh do the foolish stuff that he always does.
That’s LD in a nutshell: he was simply JJ and Josh’s man.
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
10:32 am
T-Mac only played 5mins in that game.. Boston had no answer for T-Mac..
I would have fired his azz[Larry] after the game for that fiasco!
Greyhound leaves on the hour: Buster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
10:34 am
Sorry doc, your boy Larry aint the one Grasshopper… heh heh heh
Astro Joe
August 28th, 2012
10:56 am
Steve, first, you were not the only blogger who commented on Anderson’s size relative to his ability to play SF yesterday. Review the early blog comments and you will see that maybe, just maybe, I was speaking to a larger audience and not directing my opinion soley to you. My posts yesterday were a simple suggestion that size without competence is meaningless. I doubt that any of us have watched enough of Anderson to determine his NBA competency. So we all can go with one of two things… focus solely on size or attempt to derive information about his competency. Some went the size route, which in my opinion, is silly. Patrick O’Bryant has tremendous size but isn’t nearly as effective at playing NBA center as the smaller Al Horford. Pape Sy has nice size and athleticism, but can’t find his way onto an NBA roster (or French National team) with a flashlight and GPS device.
I thought it better to consider his competence. Let’s see, he was a former 1st round pick of an organization that is the standard for young player development. And that franchise opted not to bring him back for his third season. He signed an unguaranteed contract with a team that has a combo guard in Lou who will easily demand 28+ minutes a game AND 4 wings between 6’4”-6’7” (which suggests to me that he didn’t likely have many suitors knocking on his door). So based on those clues, am I supposed to conclude that this guy is ready to provide meaningful minutes on a team that some around here are convinced can contend for the 2nd round of the playoffs? Excuse me if I choose not to go down that dizzying path.
Yes, I was concerned about the lack of size of players like Delfino, Pietrus and Barnes. In an ideal world, we would get a decent mix of competence AND size (i.e., Josh Howard, McGuire, Shawne Williams or Noccioni). I’d look for a solid, clear-cut SF… and not just a “wing”. That was my point a few weeks ago and it still stands (until those more traditional SFs are off the board).
Now, since you brought up my history of comments about Jeff Teague (and remember, you opened this can, not me), let me suggest (again) that if my assertion that young Mr. Teague was too inconsistent in his effort, too often had his shot rejected at the rim (because he thought he was playing NC State) and played like he was a-scared of his teammates (and coaches and opposition and Harry the Hawk) to be “OWED” playing time in the early portion of his career, has invalidated any opinion that I may have about any other player associated with the Hawks, then you should scroll. I don’t back down from my initial opinion and have not been so narrow minded as to believe that what a player showed early in his career is what he will be later in his career. And I can assure you, that any changes in my opinion are not based on some pressure to acquiesce to the mass opinion of this blog, I lose no sleep at night standing alone in my viewpoints on players or coaches. I am quite relieved that Teague has grown and (hopefully) is still growing. But again, if the fact that I thought he once offered very little to the team from the heart area up was so upsetting to you, you need not waste your time reading my posts.
joe
August 28th, 2012
11:05 am
I feel sorry for Micheal Cunnigham to actually have to wake up every morning and act like he gives a sh.it about this team….
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:07 am
I just noticed that Lou Williams was 14th in the League at scoring per minute.
And ESPN just ranked Ivan Johnson at #312 in the League (ahead of DeWhawn Stevenson at #319). Look what it said – and it didn’t say whether he was up and coming or sliding – not enough info I guess.
“Ivan Johnson at 312 in #NBArank? I wouldn’t tell him, he’s still number 1 in #TerrifyingRank.”
This team has the potential to be the most fun of a Hawks team in years:
Lou, Teague, and Harris running
Al and Josh as the All Stars (I think both probably make the team this year)
Morrow, Korver, and Jenkins shooting the 3’s
And ZaZa and Ivan keeping it entertaining down low – Two of the best enforcers in the League.
Ivan has just enough of an edge…
HawkGOOD-n-NotSo
August 28th, 2012
11:10 am
first l.williams,j.teague,j.smith,k.korver,a.horford second j.jenkin,d.harris,m.scott,k.benson,z.pachulia could work if you could have them boxing(m.scott,k.benson,petro)with z.pachulia to tuffin them up(make-m-mean) plus with open field for sg,no tell how j.anderson might shine,,and there is that thing about going small ball and all this quick on floor
vava74
August 28th, 2012
11:13 am
AJ,
I would assume that Anderson may be considering the Hawks as his primary option based on what Ferry may have told him of what are his chances of sticking around (bearing in mind that he has been under his wing already in SA).
My guess, as I believe is yours, is that of all the “backcourt-kind of wing players” guys we currently have, few will be on the roster on day 1 and probably none by the trade deadline.
My guess is that, Morrow, Stephenson and Harris (and maybe even Korver) all will be gone no later than the trade deadline midway the season.
I am almost 100% certain that Harris and Korver where brought in simply because they have trade value for playoff teams and that we will be able to snatch younger chips and picks once someone in the hunt for the playoffs or the title hits the panic button and is looking for help.
The same should apply to Stephenson, due to his defense, and even to Morrow due to his shooting prowess.
I honestly don’t think any of these cats has ANY chance of staying here with the exception of Harris which might stay if Ferry feels that Teague is not what he is looking for and finds a good deal using him as a trade chip.
THIS IS THE MINDSET.
Ferry is cleaning house and everyone is virtually on the block with some guys less available and less tradeable.
He already cleared Gattison and Hill from the training staff and from the roster JJ, Marvin and the whole back-end of the bench (maybe even Ivan – unfortunately) and he is bringing HIS people.
vava74
August 28th, 2012
11:17 am
Obviously, I am not saying that Anderson is getting calls left and right from other teams.
SG’s are a dime a dozen and he has been injured a lot and kind of lost the train.
On a different subject, I just wish that we had signed Reggie Evans so we could play a whole front court of nasty bearded maniacs:
Reggie Evans, Ivan Johnson and DeShawn… oh man… with a speedster like Harris and either Jenkins, Morrow or Korver as the SG this bench would be a very interesting mix of slashing, shooting and outright meanness down low.
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
11:18 am
What really ticks me off about Larry is his post game interviews. He presents himself as [I had the perfect game plan] but the players chit on it!!
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:19 am
Aj – Well since your post on page 1 was about 3 or 4 posts after I had made the observation that Morrow was 6-5.5 220, and big enough to play the 3 spot, I assumed I was at least 1 of the folks you aimed your comment at.
And we’ll agree to disagree about Teague – you can be wrong all you like – it’s a free country.
And like I said, most of the time, when your not biased and trying to drum up negativity towards JT, I like your postings – you keep the blog cooking – so I’ll not scroll past your comments – I gotta see if you make an untrue remark about a player you don’t like.
Tongue sticking out saying nanana boo boo
Feels like kindergarten in here.
See ya – keep up the good posts!
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:22 am
Vava74 – You never know about that stuff however – it takes at least two to make a trade – so we gotta roll with what we have until/if a trade happens.
We may finish the season with this mix, and go into next summer with boatloads of money to spend.
Or Harris and others may be gone Sept 12th
MsDee
August 28th, 2012
11:27 am
Michael Cunningham @ajchawks
Kenny Atkinson officially hired as #Hawks assistant.
MsDee
August 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Michael Cunningham @ajchawks
#Hawks hire Jeff Watkinson as strength coach.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:28 am
All I know is, even with this unbalanced, somewhat defensively challenged team, I like it, and it’s going to be fun.
This is looking like a free wheeling team, with a bunch of guys at or near their primes, with tons of speed, nastiness (including Stevenson – thanks Vava!), shooters, and top tier young players in Josh, Al, Lou, and Teague.
Properly coached, I like this squad. Now the coaching, that is another story.
But if LD can pull a 40-26 out of a team, with JT as your 3rd best player, and maybe ZaZa as the 4th best and Marvin as 5th best – I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves me wrong.
Ok, so he lost the Boston series also.
I would have fired him March of 2011 – but he’s here – seemed to improve a little – so we’ll see what he’s got this season.
MsDee
August 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Michael Cunningham @ajchawks
#Hawks hire Bob Weiss as coaching advisor. Will sit behind bench during games.
MsDee
August 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Michael Cunningham @ajchawks
Rick Sund moves to senior advisor role for #Hawks. Will split time between ATL and SEA.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:32 am
AJ – I don’t even think right this second, JT is an average NBA PG – Top 22 or 23, which is below average.
It’s not even like he’s one of my favorite players really – but I will defend him, you, or anybody, when I feel they are being unfairly accused. In my DNA
Gotta be truthful and just – objective – and I just call ‘um like I see them.
Anyhow man – I respect you – keep on bloggin’ and rootin’ for the Hawks to get a Championship – I guess that’s what unites at least most of us on this blog.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Ms Dee – Thanks! That is great news
Go Danny!
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Confident Brooklyn Nets talking NBA title
Author: Inside Hoops
Aug 25
Confident Brooklyn Nets talking NBA title
The Nets have yet to play a single as a game as a Brooklyn franchise – or unveil their uniforms, for that matter – but they’re already targeting a championship in Year 1.
Cornerstones Brook Lopez and Joe Johnson set the lofty tone in recent interviews, buoyed by the Nets’ expensive offseason.
“Obviously our main goal is no question the NBA championship. I think it is realistic for us,” Lopez told the Philipine Star during his NBA goodwill tour of the Philippines. “We’re already a good playoff team so with the addition of other pieces, we can target the ring.”
Johnson echoed that sentiment to Sports Illustrated, continuing his confident evaluations of his new squad. During Johnson’s introductory press conference in July, he declared the Nets were “definitely” already better than the Knicks.
– Reported by Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News
Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?cat=34#ixzz24r5Cb5w9
Wait a minute ISO! You guys haven’t even played a game yet but are declaring to be better than the Knicks??? Coach Woody may have something to say about that outrageous proclamation Sir!
Astro Joe
August 28th, 2012
11:34 am
Bob Weiss? Former Hawks head coach? Oh no!
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:34 am
And I could deal with Anthony Tolliver over Jordan Williams or Mike Scott if the staff thought he was better.
Tolliver can give you a quality 10-15 minutes per game. And they say his locker room presence and attitude is amazing.
I read his tweets sometimes, and get alot out of them – sounds like a great guy.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:36 am
AJ – My first thought as well – but then I thought about it – and in that role, probably a good move.
I’m trusting that Danny Ferry right now.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:40 am
And I’m still saying we have 3 of the top 50 players in the NBA – and you surround them with Teague, Harris, ZaZa, Morrow, Ivan, Korver, Jenkins and the like – you’ve got a decently talented, deep team.
Now watch us go 25-57 or something.
Hawks on and off the court are going to be interesting for awhile.
Ken Strickland
August 28th, 2012
11:48 am
ASTRO JOE-In JTeague, you’re talking about a rookie PG that felt he had the, speed, quickness, athleticism, and OFF and DEF talent to start over a player like Mike Bibby, or at least deserve more than token mins. If you were consistently held to a higher standard than the PG you wanted to replace, and the HC forced you to play mistake free ball or you were benched and admonished, what would you do to get more mins?
How can you fix your mouth to say Teague was afraid to challenge some of his teammates when HC LDrew was obviously afraid to challenge those same teammates, namely Josh, Bibby and JJ? When suddenly freed of the burden of being under utilized and over coached, he thrived under extreme conditions to the tune of being the teams playoff MVP.
Just like every other Hawk fan felt last yr, he had to believe Drew would start Hinrich over him as soon as he recovered. And the truth is, if Hinrich hadn’t regressed so badly, it might have happened. Drew still found a way to start him by moving JJ to SF and starting Hinrich at SG, and he became an OFF and DEF liability.
Teague has All star talent, but it isn’t going to happen for him overnight, especially with a HC that doesn’t fully support him. He’s our starting PG because Drew was forced to start him in the playoffs due to injury, and his outstanding performance when he got the chance. I look for us to have 3 players receiving Allstar consideration, AHorford, JSmith, and JTeague.
With the talent and depth we now have, even without JJ and Marvin, we’re going to be a better “TEAM” than we were last yr. Wouldn’t it be something if John Jenkins played and shot himself into the starting SG position, and James Anderson rediscovered his OFF abilities and became our starting SF?
A starting lineup of JAnderson SF, AHorford OC, JSmith PF, JJenkins SG, and JTeague PG, would be a very well balanced team. Offensively, we’d be able to shoot over zones, as well as penetrate and breakdown man to man DEFs. A bench of LWilliams SG/PG, AMorrow SG/SF, DHarris SG/PG, KKorver SG/SF, IJohnson PF/OC, ZPachulia OC, Scott or Benson PFs, and Petro OC, would be solid, talented and deep. Just a thought.
i_am_soulstar
August 28th, 2012
11:49 am
Can anyone tell me the difference between a coaching advisor and an assistant coach besides where they sit during the game? I wasn’t clear when D’Antoni took on the role last season, and I’m not clear now.
Drom John
August 28th, 2012
11:49 am
Spurs fan from Macon.
James Anderson has had stress fractures foot injuries that NBA players historically do not recover from well. Anderson will not again the player he was as Big 12 player of the year. His first step to the hoop has disappeared. That said, his summer league play showed some improvement, and he is a smart, hard working defensive player. While the Spurs have replaced Anderson with Nando de Colo (the only off-season move by the Spurs), for the Hawks, Anderson is a rational end of the bench guy, and a very good practice guy.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:51 am
Slim – The Nets do match up well with the Heat. I take Williams over Chalmers – Lopez over Anthony – JJ can hang with DWade, at least some – Humphries can come close to Bosh – and Wallace, well nobody can stay with LeBron – but Wallace is a good player.
And if the Heat start Battier – Wallace is probably as good or better than Battier is now.
How you beat the Heat is have a good 1 and a 5. Teams that have that, give the Heat fits. Especially if you have some athletes than can make the 2,3,4 spots work for the Heat.
OKC had the 1 in Westbrook – just no 5 at all. What happened to Kendrick Perkins?
But in reality – it just looked like nobody was beating LeBron this year.
People talk all this difference between LeBron and Jordan – I was around for the Jordan years. 1st of all, Jordan improved immensely every year. When he developed his J, it was all over for the rest of the League.
But the biggest difference was at the end of games. Everybody on 6 continents knew Jordan was going to get the ball. And he would get it and score more often than not.
I remember Craig Ehlo blocking his shot in an ECF’s game (think), and Jordan held the ball in mid air as Ehlo had his hand on it clean, double clutched till Ehlo’s hand came off the ball, and nailed the J from the top of the key as time expired as he was descending.
And he knew he was going to do it – confidence galore.
Jordan was unstoppable in the 4th quarter – LeBron has not shown me that nite in and nite out yet.
I agree with DWade – LeBron’s got a ways to go to be equal to Jordan.
Astro Joe
August 28th, 2012
11:55 am
Strickland, sorry, I’m not re-visiting Teague’s rookie season, Jamal’s Hawks career, the 2005 NBA Draft or ‘Nique’s trade for Danny Manning.
In today’s news… vava, yeah, I certainly hope that Ferry is planning to jettison some of the very dispensible players acquired from the Nets… and that Anderson thinks that he can at least be a 3rd string wing for the squad. That would probably require getting rid of at least 2 guards from the current group.
Steve, I hope so. I’ll tell you what, if given the choice of watching LD coach 82 games or having Weiss assume an interim role, I’m going to be the biggest supporter of LD since some around here heard he was replacing Woody (as if that was ever a good decision). Weiss couldn’t relate to players a decade or so ago, I can’t imagine what he would try to say to these guys in 2012.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
11:58 am
KenS – I’m with you on everthing but JT – and he may surprise me – just too many great PG’s in the East in Rondo, DeRon, Irving, and probably Wall developing – and Lowry’s in the East now – Calderon – JRue, Knight – for JT to get the All Star nod.
But he is an incredible athlete. And you are correct in JT being in a no win situation before Hinrich went down in the playoffs.
And JT played great in the playoffs last season – great – for a 1st year starter – and never missed a game.
Back to Jordan – I still remember him with that tongue sticking out – if you played off him, he drained a J – became a great jumpshooter. If you crowded him, 3 steps and he’s at the rim doing something really good – a dunk, a finger roll, a +1 etc.
He became the most unstoppable player since Wilt. But Jordan could shoot FT’s.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
AJ – Now I agree wholeheartedly about that with Weiss – ok to have him on staff, don’t let him anywhere near the Head Coach’s seat.
ag
August 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
Matt Highsmith I truly not only think Al is a god, I don’t consider him the best NBA center. He clearly led his Olympic team in scoring and rebounding 18/9 and his last full season he was 15/10 (9.9). I know he is much better than ZaZa and almost every center in the league. He is one of the top 10 centers.
The problem is that centers do not grow on trees. This is not playstation, so I cannot make a 7′0 center. Heck, there are free agent 7′0 out there. We even have one (Petro) with the Hawks. I just don’t understand all the criticism on on of our best players. If I need to dish out some criticisms, I am sure I can fill the blogs on Petro and ZaZa.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:13 pm
JT this season I expect to be improved, but with a quality backup like Devin, or possibly Lou if Devin starts, his minutes may be down. This should keep him fresh, but his stats may not be up – his per minute stats yes, but not his overall stats – they may not be up alot.
JT, at 26, has the talent to be a top half of the League PG, in a League that is PG heavy right now.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:15 pm
JT at age 24 this season – we’ll have too see. 13 and 6 would be great in about 30 mpg. – keeping those steals up there – 10th in the NBA in steals last season.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
You’d think Morrow, Teague, ZaZa, Josh, Korver and the like would play like crazy this season being in contract years.
It’s a shame that happens, but it does – some guys play hard for a contract, then not so hard.
Some of those guys are going to play hard regardless if past performance is any indication however.
Astro Joe
August 28th, 2012
12:21 pm
See what I mean, Strickland has Anderson in the starting line-up at 11:48. SMDH.
doc
August 28th, 2012
12:25 pm
stress fractures are not a good sign. it was one of the surprises that chills did so well after his on both feet the same year. also zaza may have had a similar problem that we might need to be mindful of in expectations going forward as i dont know if he has tested out his season ending injury yet. ;-(
i would like to know more about james a’s injury, anyone have anything that details it or them and what he has done to correct the problem like chills seemed to do in changing his footwear?
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
Assuming that we wouldn’t have signed Lou if we still had JJ, you have to think that if you were trading JJ for:
Lou, Morrow, Petro, Stevenson, and either a 1st or 2nd round pick (from the Rockets thru Brooklyn) and substantial cap relief – those guys make about 13 mill this season compared to JJ’s 19.7 mill – you have to take that trade.
We had guys wanting to trade JJ for 2 second picks just to get his contract off the books.
And we got JJ at ages 29 and 30, the best years of his contract, and the cheapest when he “only” made 16.4 mill and 18.1 mill – it’s all uphill salarywise for him from here and age wise also.
About D12 leaving LA – Maybe – Nash, Kobe, Gasol, and MWP – Dwight’s gotta see that team has at most a 2 year window with their age – he may want to come to a younger team that has a better future.
But they look pretty good in the present.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
Doc – It was the outside bone of his foot if that means anything to you.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
The bone below the little toe that keeps going down that entire side of his foot, if I read the article about his injury correctly.
SteveW
August 28th, 2012
12:35 pm
Hawks just hired a strength coach. Know nothing about him
Soulstar – Your only allowed so many bench coach’s active during games – but you can have a guy that sits behind the bench, no input during games (I think), and can kind of go from there.
Slimjr
August 28th, 2012
12:35 pm
Foot fractures? Oh man..Not good..
JOSH IS BEAST
August 28th, 2012
12:48 pm
turn to NBA tv n Watch deshawn Stevenson help hold lebron. as Dallas beats mia for championship …yes our deshawn Stevenson!!! …FIRSTTTTT
JOSH IS BEAST
August 28th, 2012
12:55 pm
he is a 3. ( sf) by nature …and a Great defender …deshawn Stevenson at 3… Jenkins at two teague at 1 ..
vava74
August 28th, 2012
12:57 pm
Summer League 2012 stat lines:
J. Anderson G 27:25 FG3-5 3PT0-0 FT3-3 ± +3 Oreb1 DReb1 Reb2 Ast0 PF1 STL0 TO1 BLK0 BA0 PTS9
J. Anderson G 18:14 FG5-7 3PT1-1 FT2-3 ± +5 Oreb2 Dreb2 Reb4 Ast0 PF0 STL0 TO1 BLK0 BA0 PTS13
J. Anderson G 27:21 FG3-8 3PT1-2 FT1-1 ± -4 Oreb2 Dreb5 Reb7 Ast3 PF3 STL1 TO2 BLK1 BA1 PTS8
J. Anderson G 27:24 FG4-11 3PT2-3 FT0-0 ± +1 Oreb2 Dreb5 Reb7 Ast1 PF3 STL0 TO4 BLK0 BA1 PTS10
J. Anderson G 32:26 FG3-11 3PT2-6 FT5-6 ± -9 Oreb2 Dreb3 Reb5 Ast6 PF2 STL1 TO5 BLK0 BA1 PTS13
2012 (Las Vegas) SAS G5 GS5 Mpg26.6 FG%0.429 3PT%0.500 FT%0.846 OReb1.8 DReb3.2 ROG5.0 Apg2.0 STK0.4 BLK0.2 TO2.6 PF1.8 PPG10.6
doc
August 28th, 2012
1:09 pm
yeah? the fifth metatarsal then, once or several times?
where was the article stevew and thanks for info?
again upgrading medical one of the df goals along with analytics might help the guy
vava74
August 28th, 2012
1:10 pm
what? no reactions to these staggering stats?
on the good side, he seems to have recovered his long ball (not that the SL stats translate into anything on the real action but still…) and he seems to be a guy able to fill up his stat line.
on the bad side, he did fill up his stat line with a couple of horrible nights turnover wise.
MsDee
August 28th, 2012
1:12 pm
new blog up
Astro Joe
August 28th, 2012
1:15 pm
vava, what I took from those stats is that he got a goodly amount of playing time (26 minutes/game) and couldn’t maintain employment with the team that drafted him in the first round two years earlier. He may be able to work his way into the rotation by game 50 of the regular season, but I wouldn’t pencil him in above the other 37 guards on the roster just yet.
Me
August 28th, 2012
8:40 pm
Atlanta would be in a better position with Al Thornton, at least he can score, rebound and pass the ball. Far from a bench warmer.
Me
August 28th, 2012
8:42 pm
And I forgot, he is a native of Perry, Georgia. Home town talent.
Anderson asked to Hawks camp - Indiana News Feed | Indiana News Feed
August 29th, 2012
3:48 am
[...] According to the Atlanta-Journal Constitution, Anderson’s best hope is to impress Hawks brass — including new general manager Danny Ferry — enough during camp to land a make-good deal for the season. [...]
Ryan
August 29th, 2012
1:42 pm
ok hawks, you signed all these new coaches or whatever, i think its time to start getting players that will actually benifit us for the season, and james anderson will not do it. if danny ferry wanted a wing player that bad, then he had plenty of chances to get micheal beasly, carlos delfino, alonzo gee, and many more, and if you think the team is going to be that good with kyle korver starting at small forward prepare for us to have a bad season
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August 29th, 2012
7:32 pm
[...] from his former teammate, Danny Green. Atlanta Journal Constitution blogger, Michael Cunningham, writes that Anderson is probably joining the Hawks on a summer contract, at which point he would have to earn his way on [...]
SuckerFree
August 29th, 2012
8:00 pm
They could have had SF….his name is Perry Jones……
too bad we passed on him