Atlanta Hawks: Brighter future for Hawks in ESPN.com rankings
In a few short weeks the Hawks transitioned from a good-but-not-great team with no financial flexibility to a franchise that can clear gops of cap space and has a long-term plan.
No surprise, then, that the Hawks moved up in Chad Ford and John Hollinger’s latest future power rankings at ESPN.com (Insider). The rankings are Ford and Hollinger’s attempt to project the on-court success for the 2013-14, 2014-15 and 2015-16 seasons.
The Hawks improved from No. 19 to No. 15 largely on the strength of their dramatically improved salary-cap situation. That development moved Atlanta’s “money” ranking (worth as much as 200 points) from No. 26th to No.1 Ford and Hollinger noted this “25-place jump was the largest of any team in any category.”
That was offset by Atlanta’s league-high drop in the “players” ranking (600 points), down to 23rd from 12th. Ford and Hollinger dock the Hawks not just for the talent disparity in the Joe Johnson deal but also because Josh Smith is in the last year of his contract. The authors opine that “[Al] Horford is the only key player who is both signed [long term] and guaranteed to make an impact.”
The Hawks rank No. 13 in the “management” category (200 points), up from No. 17 in the previous rankings. Ford and Hollinger give Danny Ferry high marks for both his tenure as Cleveland GM and his initial moves with the Hawks.
Atlanta ranks No. 14 in the “market” category (100 points), up one spot. The considerations: “Appeal to future acquisitions based on team quality, franchise reputation, city’s desirability as a destination, market size, taxes, business and entertainment opportunities, arena quality, fans.”
Finally, Ford and Hollinger place the Hawks No. 13 in the “draft” rankings (100 points), up from No. 19. That’s based on future draft picks and draft positioning.
The teams ranked ahead of the Hawks in the overall rankings, in order: Heat, Thunder, Lakers, Jazz, Pacers, Mavericks, Nuggets, Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, Hornets, Cavaliers, Rockets, Nets.
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doc
August 20th, 2012
3:26 pm
vava, we will see soon. still doubt he is worth the bucks he would get to a small market team who has to showcase him instead of use him for his strengths. that was the problem, he is limited maybe and he had to be used in a role that he couldnt ever do to its max. that is not coaching but upper management not making good decisions and limiting what any coach could do.
jj was good enough to play with many hats on like a dilletante. still he is not a top five, 1st team all star nor repping olympic usa as a top five though he was paid like one.if he wqas that good and had that good of an overall game he should have gotten a gold. he really has specialized skills that better teams could use.
i still dont blame woody or ld for doing the best they could with what they had, nor that they were hired. they didnt hold a gun to these guys heads nor hire themselves. we have to play it out though we never had the money to pay jj as a luxury and ld didnt create that either as we never went to the bargaining table with him. again the asg maybe learned their lesson and they like the rest of us have to swallow the bitter tablet they put in our mouths by giving jj so much. at some point it came to this. it should have come after they were in negotiations after a soso season barely above .500. alas it didnt.
jj was probably hte highest paid american to
doc
August 20th, 2012
3:26 pm
NOT represent his country in the olympics. no?
Astro Joe
August 20th, 2012
3:38 pm
doc, yes… although technically, Amare makes a shade more than Joe… but Joe & Amare make pretty much the same salary. And both watched the Olympics on TV.
SteveW
August 20th, 2012
4:06 pm
AJ – I agree with you 100% that matchups are going to be key to the Hawks season. That’s the reason I think that LD’s personnel coaching will really be the make or break of this team this season, barring a major injury.
Rusty
August 20th, 2012
4:07 pm
Ken Strickland. I agree with you that this team has great potential but do you think that LD can really bring out the best in them. I really doubt that he can.
SteveW
August 20th, 2012
4:08 pm
Doc – Kobe makes several million more than JJ per season.
pointguardslim
August 20th, 2012
4:21 pm
Ramon you dont think thats the method the Hawks used last 5 years?
We can’t beat the top teams in the conference but we can beat everyone else.
Where do you think that gets you? 2nd round.
Why not go for lotto picks or the championship. You’re describing Hawks stagnation/mediocrity/apathy perfectly in your post.
As an aside I also think the talent gap shrunk. physical Big men who can rebound and defend sometimes helps bridge the gap of talent. see Jason Maxiell
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Astro Joe
August 20th, 2012
4:23 pm
Steve, I think doc was referring to American players NOT on the Olympics team.
The Hawks are small. There is little LD will be able to do when the Hawks match-up against teams that aren’t “sized-challenged” at virtually every position on the floor.
doc
August 20th, 2012
4:45 pm
stevew, you missed the point but confirmed it at the same time, that you had to come up with one of the highest and deserving players in the league now to find a name that makes more than jj. that is my point, that only the asg in a mindless moment could justify what he got. the problem is that moment lasted since conception of their organization and model for building a team until D DAY. only one team in the history of the game has built form the bottom up and draft and made it to the finals, one.
aj, i think amare might be doing a bit of physical, back and hand? and game rehab this summer.
Ken Strickland
August 20th, 2012
4:56 pm
RUSTY-To answer your question, I DON’T KNOW, but if he doesn’t, he’ll definitely be out of a job either before or after the season ends.
VALVA74-You have a very good memory my friend, and I stick by that. Bibby and Jamal had severe problems with DEF partly because they didn’t try, and partly because they simply weren’t suited for Woodson’s INDIVIDUAL defensive approach. When you have backcourt players with the speed, quickness and athleticism of LWilliams, DHarris, JTeague, AMorrow, and JJenkins, you can definitely play solid perimeter HELP DEF.
It’s more like a combination of zone and man to man, in that you play your man, but you use your speed and quickness to also play the passing and penetrating lanes as well. It’s simular to a switching DEF where you jump over to block the penetration lane and then recover.
Just because a player is a below average INDIVIDUAL defender, it doesn’t mean he can’t be an above average TEAM defender, just like HOF player Larry LEGEND Bird. No one will every claim that he was even average as an INDIVIDUAL defender, but he was an exception TEAM defender that did an excellent job of playing passing and penetration lanes.
Some fans act like the Hawks will simply fall apart without the INDIVIDUAL DEF abilities of JJ and Marvin. While both players were good defensively, neither could be considered anything close to being the shutdown defenders some seem to think. The TEAM DEF concept isn’t new, nor is it unique to Thibodeau or Popovich. It just takes a committment from LDrew and his staff to impliment it.
The truth is, none of us knows what this yrs team will do. But we can speculate on what this team has the potential to do, and that’s play fastbreaking uptempo basketball, shoot lights out from the perimeter, as well as penetrate and breakdown DEFs. How well we do those things, and who consistently gets a chance to do them, is entirely up to LDrew and his staff.
One thing is perfectly clear, either LDrew and his staff does it DFerry’s way, and does it successfully, or they’re out of here with the quickness.
Astro Joe
August 20th, 2012
4:58 pm
doc, yes (about Amare). But as you know, the pool of Olympic Team candidates was chosen several years ago and I don’t recall him ever being in that pool. It’s not as if they made their selection in the past 3-4 months from a list of 40 players… I think it was from a list closer to maybe 15-18 players.
And to slightly change the subject, Amare may be doing some form of physical rehab for the next several summers while making a fair amount of loot. But Donnie Walsh should have suspected that would be the case, huh?
Astro Joe
August 20th, 2012
5:07 pm
Ken, LD is out of here, regardless of this season’s outcome (IMO). This is a transition year. We’re transitioning to a new head coach and likely 8 new players. Morrow, Korver, Stevenson, Jordan Williams, Devin Harris, etc. will all become a Hawks trivia question. Luckily, LD will likely have some decent offensive results from the upcoming season to add to his resume (when he seeks employment as someone’s offensive coordinator). But, IMO, there is a very high likelihood that when Ferry was in San Antonio thinking about the head coach he would hire if given another shot to run a franchise, LD wasn’t on his list.
It is a transition year. LD joins several players in using this next season to build a resume for another NBA team. One step backwards in hopes of taking two steps forward.
Ken Strickland
August 20th, 2012
5:30 pm
ASTRO JOE-You could be right, we just don’t know. What we do know is that Ferry has a definitely plan for rebuilding this team, and how he wants the team to play. For all we know, Ferry just might already have the HC in mind that he believes can make it happen. Either way, I don’t care as long as it gets done.
For those who are hung up on our lack of ideal size, especially in the backcourt, consider this. The BAD BOY Detroit Pistons had a 3 man backcourt rotation of JDumars(6′3″), VJohnson(6′2″), and IThomas(6′1″). BLambeer(6′11″ 245LBs) was their starting center(Horford 6′10″ 250lbs).
CAREER STATS: LAMBEER(HORFORD)
RPG-9.7(9.4), PPG-12.9(12.8), SPG-.7(.8), BPG-.9(1.1), APG-2.0(2.4).
If you believe that size, or what is believed to be a lack thereof, will automatically stop a team from becoming a good team, then the problem rests with you, and not the ability of the team.
doc
August 20th, 2012
5:33 pm
aj the knicks have a market to absorb that cost and amare kind of made the knicks relevant again. look back and they were a pretty good team with amare and the supporting actors before the melo trade and experiment that still hasnt quite played out. that was one philosophy being over played by another with donnie walsh leaving to find a job again, quickly. meanwhile, the nuggets and karl are still smiling on that trade enacted by walsh under the gun by dolans against his will and what lead him to say i am out of this zoo. we will see how it all plays out.
TMACfan
August 20th, 2012
5:49 pm
Chad Ford doens’t know who our boy Jeff Teague is!!
We got TEAGUE TOO!
doc
August 20th, 2012
5:53 pm
aj seems there might have been a personal agenda with amar’e in the middle:
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-01-17/olympic-snubs-curry-stoudemire-both-irked-theyre-left-off-list
TMACfan
August 20th, 2012
5:55 pm
John Jenkins ranked 398 in the NBA according to ESPN….
What a load of $hit.
Jason Collins ranked higher….
You know ESPN doesn’t know a thing when they do this.
pointguardslim
August 20th, 2012
6:01 pm
Thibodeau and Popovich have size. Larry Bird played SF/PF. He had more size and defensive rebounding than either JJ or Marvin.
All we added was guards no size, no physicality, only quickness and less sized.
KenS I don’t see Duncan or Tiago Splitter or Joakim Noah busting through the door to be physical here. or S Jax or Deng. All I see is Josh Smith having to make up for lacking defenders
Meanwhile You’re acting like Rip Hamilton or Danny Green is the key ingredient to Spurs or Bulls team defense.
Grandad
August 20th, 2012
6:01 pm
Why are our Hawks small ?
-perception … perhaps- ?
2012 v 2013 projected starting line-up:
Teague v Teague = same
Hinrich v Lou or Harris = [virtually] same
Joe v Josh = Josh Bigger + plays [much] Bigger
Al v Josh = Al Bigger
Zaza v Zaza = same
Bench:
2012 Bigger / older / inj prone
2013 faster + verifiably better shooters
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*[Our Hawks essentially replaced Joe with Al]
-Perception … Facts- !
What is going on...
August 20th, 2012
6:01 pm
Is it me or has the team website completely sold out to tickets/cheerleaders? During a summer when there was HUGE player movement the only thing added to the site was bad interviews by their female reporter (I am guessing she never stepped foot on a basketball court…) I don’t think there has been anything new on the site for almost a month!
Ken Strickland
August 20th, 2012
6:07 pm
The Miami Heat certainly didn’t make an issue of their lack of idea height, or allow it to prevent them from becoming this yrs NBA champions. They had a frontline of two 6′ 8″ forwards(Battier/James), a 6′10 ” center(Bosh), and a 3 guard backcourt rotation of 6′ 2″ PG MChalmers, 6′ 4″ SG DWade, and 6′ 2″ combo SG/PG NCole.
No team is ideal, and all teams have shortcomings. The successful teams are the ones that are able to take advantage of their strengths to minimize or overcome their weaknesses. If your players are good INDIVIDUAL defenders, then you take advantage of what you have by employing a TEAM DEF concept. Some of you are so stuck on one way of doing things that you can’t see any other way. It’s like someone taking the narrow approach by thinking blocked shots is the only measure of a players DEF ability.
pointguardslim
August 20th, 2012
6:11 pm
Acknowledging the fact that Larry Bird played SF and not SG or PG (like Harris or LouW.)…
Ken did you just compare Korver to Larry Bird.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ixy8Uttq0
Hawks may have a brighter future but it sure aint because of Korver being comparable defender to Larry Bird.
Larry Bird
Defensive Win Shares
1979-80 NBA 5.6 (1)
1980-81 NBA 6.1 (1)
1981-82 NBA 5.7 (2)
1982-83 NBA 5.6 (5)
1983-84 NBA 5.6 (1)
1984-85 NBA 5.2 (2)
1985-86 NBA 6.2 (1)
1986-87 NBA 4.8 (6)
Career NBA 59.0 (25)
Career 59.0 (28)
Rebounds, length to block shots and steals. Objectively speaking (homerism aside), Bird was a more active/better defender than Josh Smith.
So you’re so very very wrong saying Lou Will or Harris or Korver are going to be good because of Larry Bird’s team defense. Thats like saying they’ll be comparable defenders to Josh.
No they have to apply their size and play positions, they have to be able to switch and deny easy entries. The smaller they are the more gambling and conceeding its going to take.
That doesnt bode well for team defense
Hawks have a better future, but not a better present. They taking a step back defensively.
doc
August 20th, 2012
6:13 pm
aj, you think jj got a letter in january to say he wasnt one of the top 20 whittled down from 38?
pointguardslim
August 20th, 2012
6:19 pm
The Miami Heat certainly didn’t make an issue of their lack of idea height, or allow it to prevent them from becoming this yrs NBA champions. They had a frontline of two 6′ 8″ forwards(Battier/James), a 6′10 ” center(Bosh), and a 3 guard backcourt rotation of 6′ 2″ PG MChalmers, 6′ 4″ SG DWade, and 6′ 2″ combo SG/PG NCole.
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At this point you’re just trolling. It’s a talent issue and you’re being ornery at this point.
From a defensive talent standpoint alone:
Wade > Lou Will/Morrow/Harris
Battier > Korver
James > Smith
Now if you think offensively the small lineup can outperform Miami… Well its called Nellie-ball aka Crazy-ball for a reason.
You would be in the minority in thinking that the Hawks are going to small ball the Miami to death. I’d like to see it. But you have to stop playing both sides of the fence.
Its obvious that we don’t have Miami’s talent.
Ra'mon
August 20th, 2012
6:21 pm
PGS, it’s supposed to be a rebuilding season. To make the playoffs in a rebuilding season is great. Free agents do not want to sign with a lottery team. If you’re 6-8th seed you can sell to a free agent, that you’re only two pieces away. If you’re a lottery team, you have to sell that you’re only 3-4 seasons away.
pointguardslim
August 20th, 2012
6:39 pm
PGS, it’s supposed to be a rebuilding season. To make the playoffs in a rebuilding season is great. Free agents do not want to sign with a lottery team. If you’re 6-8th seed you can sell to a free agent, that you’re only two pieces away. If you’re a lottery team, you have to sell that you’re only 3-4 seasons away.
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Hello Ra’mon I agree. But at the same time players want to form super teams so there’s that. I think D12 is off the market.
But I remember a few blogs ago KenS said that being the 4 seed was mailing it in. So I don’t know how he feels about that 6-8 seed thing. I would be a little surprised if we were the 6th seed. But as long as you match up with 1 or 2 teams, Miami being one of them you can punch your ticket to the ECF. Its not like the West, or at least it wasn’t in the past…
KenS where do you think this team should finish in the playoffs or matchup in the playoffs? You’ve never specifically said as much.
doc
August 20th, 2012
6:39 pm
gdad as i said yesterday we had some big players that played small in areas you expect bigs to step up. marvin as a huge sf and jj huge in terms of either sg or sf never contributed much to our rebound totals or defensive intimidation. we are really small, last few years we looked big but played otherwise.
pointguardslim
August 20th, 2012
6:52 pm
jj was not huge in terms of sf. And Hawks have always been called lacking in size. Marvin is average size for a modern sf and was really a place holder out there.
We literally replaced him with Jason Collins and did better because Josh was at the 3 and actually making plays with and without the ball. We had several good rebounding playoff games in 2011 due to that.
steven a smith
August 20th, 2012
7:04 pm
LeBron James is a once in a generation player. DeWayne Wade is a world champion. Sort of like Jordan and Pippen. These teams were “Championship anomalies.” Only rarely do non-traditional teams win titles.
Astro Joe
August 20th, 2012
7:21 pm
doc, I don’t know. But Joe has no reason to feel like he isn’t in the discussion of being a top 3-5 SG in the world. Much like you don’t blame LD for being dealt a less than stellar hand, I don’t blame Joe for accepting security for his family and future generations. Nor do I blame him that the owners didn’t invest in adding to the roster during his tenure here. If they couldn’t afford him, then they should not have offered him the contract. Prokorov removed the stigma of Joe’s contract being a franchise killer, removed the notion that Joe’s contract eliminates a team’s ability to add quality players and Deron’s statement that Joe’s acquisition made him change his plans from Dallas to NJ removes the notion that the elite in the NBA would not be drawn (in part) to Joe’s talents.
Folk seem to believe that the ASG were somehow shocked and surprised by the cap situation they found themselves in after signing Joe to that contract. IMO, that is highly unlikely. They may have been shocked and surprised that they had not sold the team shortly after offering Joe that deal, but they (and Sund) knew the financial situation. Likewise, you don’t sign a player to his third NBA contract expecting him to suddenly transform into a different player because of the value of the contract he signed. Seriously, if Ferry signs Josh to a max deal next year, does anyone believe that Josh will suddenly become a 25/12 machine leading a team to the ECF? IMO, the ASG signed Joe (and every other core member) in hopes of keeping curb appeal for the team with a “For Sale” sign in the window. After the pizza man fell through, they had to regroup. And that (seemingly) led to less Gearon, more Levinson and now Danny Ferry.
doc, there are other max players that won’t shoulder their teams to the Finals. I don’t regret the “Joe Era”… it was so much better than Hawks life before (and my guess, the season after). If I get a chance to attend a Nets game this coming season, I’ll give Joe a standing ovation.
pointguardslim
August 20th, 2012
8:17 pm
Astro Joe – so basically the JJdeal was to appeal to sellers? interesting and would be a sign of ineptitude in my opinion. Maybe its a hindsight is 20-20 deal but the Hawks were pushing up against the lux tax with no chance of improving, thus limiting revenue and fanbase opportunities.
I thought that it may have been “we’re making playoff revenue, keep it going + they expected Marv, Josh, Horford to become stars”. It’s a shame that the injuries happened last year because I think we would have gone big with Horf + Josh + Zaza vs Boston.
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Basketball Prospectus has the Hawks with 48 wins and the 2nd best record.
More FTAs vs Joe’s long jumpers. and also a backsliding East.
http://hawksquawk.net/community/topic/371777-the-numbers-say-whathold-on-to-your-seats-boys/
Ken Strickland
August 20th, 2012
9:19 pm
POINTGUARDSLIM-I don’t know where the Hawks, or any other team, SHOULD finish during the regular season or playoffs. If fact none of us do, because there are just too many variables at play. if injuries claim Lebron or DWade, KG, Rondo or Pierce, Granger, Bynum, Camelo, Amare or Chandler, Noah or Rose, DWill, Lopez or JJ, where do you think the Heat, Celtics, Pacers, 76ers, Knicks, Bulls, or Nets will finish during the regular season or playoffs?
doc
August 20th, 2012
9:48 pm
aj you are changing the discussion. i never suggested jj needed to be worried about how much he made. it was from the perspective of our market having to bear the brunt of it. he was able to get the best terms possible for his standing. that was a max contract better than bosh dwade and lbj for example without being in their category. he also got pp type money without having the cajones for the big time shots that pp had, and probably got more than ray allen did without ever being the player allen was on offense and allen learned to play defense under the direction of rivers and thibs to fill his end of the deal.
aj, they signed him with the distinct intent to sell the franchise and almost did. once they decided to keep him they decided to change their approach. that idea was quoted by “sources” when the deal was done along the lines of “we wont be around to fulfill his contract” pr did you forget that notion well publicized in the press? when things fell through after they gave him a brinks truck, to go with the rest of his vehicles, they found someone who could unload him to, someone who had really deep pockets and wont blink if jj has to be paid to sit if that is where his tenure ends in his old age.
to me you are rewriting history and taking the discussion away from what i said earlier and described over and over again by others in the know. it is not only my conjecture.
i wont be an apologist for jj now. however, you have been here long enough to know that in his time i really liked jj and all he brought, at a pretty good premium. i was very much in favor of his coming here at the price we got him for as well though many disagreed ando among them. now at just south of kobe dollars, as stevew pointed out, thinking he was saying something in support of jj, not so much. i agree no one forced him to take the dollars and if you read my statements i directly placed that kind of stupidity not on him but on our beloved asg. so we agree. i am not sure of why you took the argument here when i agreed before you said it.
bottom line i dont think he is a top 3 to 5 nor should someone at that level be paid like the best as his career numbers are going the other way, even when he was on a team that made him the focus in 98% of the key plays.
with that said i too will cheer him back here in an opponents uniform but without looking back and pretending the future would have looked brighter if he had stayed. as someone who would lament the summers of sameness why would you begin to get nervous when what had to be done got done, or would you be complaining if we continued the same downward trajectory? or is it because it wasnt josh that went? night bro.
Ken Strickland
August 20th, 2012
9:51 pm
Suppose Ferry was able to acquire AGee, who’s everything he said he was looking for in a SF. Gee doesn’t shoot, handle the ball, or pass as good as JJ, but he’s quicker, faster, more athletic, a better rebounder, penetrator, finisher, and is considered to be as good, if not better, and just as versatile defensively. A starting lineup of:
OC Horford
PF Smith
SF Gee
SG Morrow
PG Teague
would be better than last yrs starting lineup. Morrow or Harris should be able to give us as much DEF as we got from Hinrich last yr. The combination of age and injuries have definitely taken a toll on both his OFF and DEF. Both have proven more than capable of more than doubling the paulty 6.6PPG we got from Hinrich.
With the shooting ability of LWilliams, Harris, Korver, Jenkins, and Morrow, we won’t miss JJ’s long range shooting. And with Teague, Harris, and LWilliams, we won’t miss his ballhandling or passing either.
Slimjr
August 20th, 2012
9:58 pm
Joe deserves a standing ovation!
Joe was the most talented all around player the Hawks had acquired in years..
Standing O! ISO!!!
In theory if the Hawks had 4 other starters as talented as he, a Finals appearance would have been possible..
And yes Larry did a piss poor job utilizing his skill set.. Some people do not belong in the driver seat Larry..
28-47..Yea dude step aside your outside your talents..
SteveW
August 20th, 2012
10:26 pm
Doc – I did totally miss your point.
Grandad – I think they mean the Hawks are small if we go with Morrow at the 3, or Lou at the 2, or Al at the 5 and Josh at the 4. Even our PG’s are smallish, but not small. Korver is small at the 3 as is Stevenson.
But I do agree, we can play bigger.
And to somebody above about the Hawks not playing physical D I assume you meant backcourt and wing.
Ivan and Zaza can bust some heads in the post.
doc
August 20th, 2012
10:31 pm
slimj …. “In theory if the Hawks had 4 other starters as talented as he, a Finals appearance would have been possible..”
how many teams can have four players as good as jj or five top ten at their position and afford them as well. very few in this era. that is simply an empty and meaningless statement or did you realize it before you said it?
not even your knicks blowing out loot for years could find this. maybe the celts of years gone by in the bird or russell eras or lakers of kareem and magic. come on man where do you come up with this stuff, puff or fluff?
Slimjr
August 20th, 2012
10:42 pm
you totally missed the point doc. That expression was to show just how incredibly talented Joe is.
Regardless of what he is paid or his stats….Thank you very much man.
Go Knicks!!! Thats for you doc..You asked for it…….hehehe
Slimjr
August 20th, 2012
10:47 pm
minus Joe 07-12 how do you feel this team would have panned out? hmmmmmmmmmmmm
doc
August 20th, 2012
10:49 pm
i said it earlier too slimj just didnt embelish it to fluff status. heh heh
calls em like i see em.
knicks should be good as they are loaded. read an article from a blog today of some fan i think considering placing amar’e at sixth man to make it work better and allow melo at four. feel like they have an equally good chance to crash and burn since dolans will be near to provide drama. the glue guy is chandler, a huge mistake by cuban ranking up there with not keeping nash.
doc
August 20th, 2012
10:53 pm
slimj at 95-100 k for six just under bosh, lbj and dwade,is y guess, jj would have been worth every penny and he wouldnt have had to sell his crib at a loss. not chump change and not so much it cripples the organization.
doc
August 20th, 2012
10:55 pm
answer, realistically, probably better as woody would have been fired along with bk and we would have moved on. heh heh. no lue and law either.
Slimjr
August 20th, 2012
10:56 pm
doc, the Knicks will be really good if they avoid the injury bug..
Watching Melo and Lebron in those Olympic games just reminds you just how incredibly talented and advance Lebron skills are..Its not even close..Whew….What a basketball player Lebron is. [Head Shaking]
doc
August 20th, 2012
11:01 pm
this on the border stuff is driving me crazy playing without prompts.
doc
August 20th, 2012
11:04 pm
slimj i saw little of the olympics as i was beyond tv (yes!) but lbj is beyond this world and his head seems to be catching up with his body. some never do, i hope his does. the game needs an ambassador that walks the talk.
doc
August 20th, 2012
11:16 pm
slimj, a good story to watch is developing in la where kobe is going to make dwight think svg is the essence of archangel michael. kobe in his best mj imitation is going to teach dwight how you get a ring. it could get nasty if dwight doesnt figure it out quickly.
Balance Is key
August 20th, 2012
11:18 pm
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Balance Is key
August 20th, 2012
11:20 pm
What’s with all this SF size talk? What about 6′5 Bruce Bowen, 6′5 DeShawn Stevenson These guys hold it down on D. What about Barkley?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKowLJNVC0o
Slimjr
August 20th, 2012
11:21 pm
“answer, realistically, probably better as woody would have been fired along with bk and we would have moved on. heh heh. no lue and law either.” -doc-
Hahahaha. Good point doc..
Balance Is key
August 20th, 2012
11:22 pm
My point is, With Korver and Ammo, we really aren’t undersized at that position.