Atlanta Hawks: Joe Johnson’s Atlanta house on the market for $4.7 million
Will Joe throw in the car? (Photo: estately.com)
Former Hawks guard Joe Johnson is like many of the rest of us: relocating for his job and looking to sell his crib. Most of us aren’t putting our house on the market for $4.7 million, but still.
The listing at estately.com notes J.J.’s “grand estate” includes eight bedrooms and eight full baths among its 13,822 square feet. There’s a weight room, a recording studio, and a basement spa that appears to include a salon with a barber’s chair (helping to explain why J.J.’s waves always were so tight).
Personally, I would never buy a place with a weak Walk Score (at least it’s ITP, though). Then again, if I could afford this mansion, someone else would run my errands and I’m pretty sure I’d have a few friends willing to move in visit every once in a while.
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
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vava74
August 17th, 2012
11:48 am
AJ,
I remember Ewing’s game perfectly.
His post moves were BASIC and it was NOT ONLY during his last 3 years that he was strictly a jump shooter.
His signature crunch time shot was a brick from the elbow.
Very good player, but substantially overrated.
vava74
August 17th, 2012
11:54 am
AJ,
On Olajuwon’s 4 day workouts:
Every single player that worked out with him improved their low post game.
That list includes, Howard, Kobe, Lebron and Josh.
The 4 days, for a top grade talent/athlete like any of the above guys gives them enough to continue to work on their own on the moves.
When a pianist lays his eyes on a new music score he may not know how to play it to perfection after 4 days, but he will certainly catch the basics to continue to work on it and perfect it.
Obviously, these guys who should have worked out longer with Olajuwon but my guess is that all of them prefer to overpay for bottles of Crystal and squander money on hookers rather than working on what can get them to a higher level of play and pay Olajuwon’s fees.
Astro Joe
August 17th, 2012
12:13 pm
vava, the very best low post players work at their craft for more than 4 days. Andrew Bynum spent 2-3 years working daily with Kareem. Olajuwon is my favorite center of the past 25 years, so this is in no way a knock against his career (nor his current hustle). It is just laughable to me that a 4 day “low post moves for dummies” workshop gets the love that it does. I suspect saying that you worked out with Hakeem has become a status symbol… the new version of Pete Newell’s big man camp. (Certainly beter than going through John Lucas’ how to act sane camp).
I’d rather have a credible big man coach work with my players each and everyday. Someone who can tell them during a timeout how he did on his last post move (or how well he boxed out, or his foot work, or how he defended the pick & roll). And the Hawks have yet to hire a big man coach who actually had a very good low post game. There may be others out there along with Ewing. I’ve long suggested Antoine Carr (if he is interested in coaching, he had an outstanding low post game). But I have little doubt that Ewing would be a huge upgrade from the guys Horford and Josh have had working with them in their Hawls career.
vava74
August 17th, 2012
12:23 pm
AJ:
“I’d rather have a credible big man coach work with my players each and everyday. Someone who can tell them during a timeout how he did on his last post move (or how well he boxed out, or his foot work, or how he defended the pick & roll).”
Ewing is not the man for this job. Clifford Ray IS and should be the guy behind any improvement early in Howard’s career, not Ewing.
Howard probably credited Ewing precisely because he it was politically/socially good to do it, but Ray is considered by experts the best big man coach (he recently signed with SAC).
“But I have little doubt that Ewing would be a huge upgrade from the guys Horford and Josh have had working with them in their Hawls career.”
Only by default (lack of coaching), not by actually quality as a low post guy…
Astro Joe
August 17th, 2012
12:25 pm
vava, Clifford Ray may easily be 87 years old by now. Consider that he was old when Howard was a rookie.
Ken Strickland
August 17th, 2012
12:37 pm
I became curious after seeing several HORFORD HATERS suggest we trade Horford for Barngnani, so I did a little research, which is definitely something HORFORD HATERS fail to do. Here’s what I found. BARGNANI(HORFORD)
1-PPG-19.5(15.3)
2-FGA-15.6(12.0)
3-RPG-5.6(9.4)
4-APG-2.0(3.5)
5-BPG-0.5(1.0)
6-SPG-.06(0.8)
7-FG%-.432(.557)
If you combine their pts and assists, Bargnani’s would come up to 23.5PPG, and Horford’s would come up to 22.3PPG. Since Horford is a far more efficient scorer and shooter than Bargnani, giving him the additional shots that Bargnani took would result in better OFF production. And judging by Bargnani’s sorry rebound production during his career, it doesn’t appear he’s been close enough to the rim to defend it or take care of any potential rebounds that come off it.
steven a smith
August 17th, 2012
12:45 pm
KEN STRICLAND—I am at work at the moment, lunch break, if you will. I will respond to your comments when i return home. Have a great day my friend.
Slimjr
August 17th, 2012
12:48 pm
“Very good player, but substantially overrated.”-Nets Fan-
Man that sounds so familiar..
KevinM, Ewing would gain instant respect that Larry has never received..
pointguardslim
August 17th, 2012
12:56 pm
Al Horford as the 3 and not Josh? wtf guys.
The Truth
August 17th, 2012
1:00 pm
Based on a Sheridian Hoops article entitled “NBA Free Agency: Who Still Needs What?” which the “blog-master” don’t like:
Hawks hoping to acquire a “coveted” SF via trade doesn’t look so good:
The demand for a SF among NBA teams accordingly is down to 4 teams:
Atlanta
Boston
Cleveland
New Orleans
Based on the Hawks abundance of SGs, expectations would be they find a trading partner (in need of a SG) and trade one of their SG talents (presumably expiring Anthony Morrow) for a SF.
So what NBA team needs a SG? According to the article just 2 teams:
Denver
Milwaukee
The problem here is that Denver has no SF expiring and just traded their tradable chip Al Harrington to Orlando. They also beat out the Hawks in acquiring SF Anthony Randolph. That leaves only the Bucks as a likely trading partner. From this scenario, the likely SF player from the Bucks would be Mike Dunleavy whose contract is expiring.
In this trade scenario the stat numbers and salaries are comparable but the Hawks would be trading a 26 yr old player for a 31 yr old player. It would seem from this trade that the advantage would go to the Bucks unless the Hawks are compensated somehow perhaps with a 2nd rd pick. Unless it’s a “good” 2nd rd pick, I’m not fond of this option but it maybe the only option left from a trade perspective.
This may explain why Danny is in no hurry in acquiring a SF from this trade picture. I’m also not sure NBA teams around the league would be shaking (in fear) at the thought of their SFs being guarded by Mike Dunleavy who Hoopshype describe him as:
“A little bit too slow… Pretty soft… Gets overpowered”
But since he went to Duke, Danny might bite anyway
Ken Strickland
August 17th, 2012
1:13 pm
Here’s a statistical look at Al Jefferson and Al Horford. JEFFERSON(HORFORD)
1-PPG 19.2(15.3)
2-FGA 17.2(12.0)
3-FG% .492(.557)
4-RPG 9.6(9.4)
5-APG 2.2(3.5)
BPG 1.7(1.0)
SPG .8(.8)
Again, if you combine their assists and PPG, you get Jefferson(23.6), Horford(22.3). The you give Horford the addition 5.2 shots per gm that Jefferson took, along with his higher FG%, and it appears Horford would be the more efficient scorer of the 2. Any improvement in production that Jefferson might give you over Horford, like BPG, wouldn’t be worth the already $3M per yr in salary, which will surely increase after the season when his contract expires.
If any of you HORFORD HATERS had any common sense intelligence, you’d realize the most intelligent move would be to wait until the end of the season and sign Jefferson as a FA. That move would allow us to have both players. Wouldn’t it make more sense to the intelligent basketball mind to trade Horford or Josh for a player to compliment Jefferson rather than trading one of them for Jefferson? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES HORFORD HATERS.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 17th, 2012
1:54 pm
“Although the NFL did move into a “pass happy league” mode, so that may be substantially more difficult right now”
Yeah, this is what I was referring to. In 2002, the defense-first model could work. Matt Ryan isn’t some bum like Mark Sanchez or anything, but in 2012, he’ll have to put the team on his back at some point in the playoffs and make some plays, when good teams start limiting the Falcons’ regular season ability to dominate time of possession. So far, he hasn’t shown that he has the talent to do so.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 17th, 2012
1:59 pm
“there is a bias that centers are not smart”
I think players who succeeded primarily due to their physical gifts end up being worse coaching candidates, regardless of position. The type of players who seem to end up being good coaches are the ones who were below average athletically and had to compensate by using their brains to carve out a role for themselves. This is why, for example, I think Jason Collins will be a good coach some day, and why I think Dominique Wilkins (suggested by some around here) would make a bad coach.
Astro Joe
August 17th, 2012
2:14 pm
Najeh, true, but it is hard to believe that in the last 20-30 years, the only former centers with head coaching aspirations were Bill Laimbeer and Bill Cartwright. Maybe I am forgetting someone, but the fact remains that even the “had to grind to make a career for themselves” type centers have not had a shot at coaching. Percentages are much lower for centers and much higher for guards.
random
August 17th, 2012
2:28 pm
@Ken
Why do you think everyone are Horford haters, when they are clearly just throwing up trade ideas. You take it too far smh.
O'Brien
August 17th, 2012
2:43 pm
Ken S,
As Horford gets more shots, I think his FG% will drop (and teams will key on him more). That being said, he has done really well for someone who has been a 3rd/4th option on offense.
O'Brien
August 17th, 2012
2:48 pm
Truth,
I think Denver would be willing to trade Wilson Chandler. They already have Andre Iguodala and Gallinari on the roster. And if even Gallinari plays as a stretch 4, I don’t know if Denver will want to pay Chandler $6+ mil to be their backup SF. However, I’m not sure if Danny would be interested, because that eats into our cap flexibility next year.
Mike Dunleavy is not on the same level, but he is expiring, and with Ferry’s strategy, that makes him a better fit (imo).
Ken Strickland
August 17th, 2012
2:54 pm
RANDOM-I don’t think everyone is a HORFORD HATER for suggesting that he be traded for someone of greater or equal value, talent or cost wise, nor have I indicated as much. But anyone who criticizes him for
1-being a 2 time Allstar and All NBA center,
2-being one of the NBAs most efficient midrange jumpshooter,
3-not being a prolific shotblocker,
4-not scoring more than 15.3PPG as the teams 3rd scoring option,
5-not being able to overpower every player he defends,
6-not being the NBAs most polished and dominant post player, or
7-wanting to play a different position even though he’s excelled at the one he’s playing,
then that becomes a HORFORD HATER.
Hell, WChamberlin, KJabbar, SOneal, Hakeem the Dream, BWalton, RParrish, EHayes, etc, are some of the NBAs greatest centers that were traded. Didn’t DHoward and ABynum, the NBAs 2 most dominant centers, just get traded? It’s not the trading part that makes one a HORFORD HATER, it’s the justifications offered and extreme stupidity behind the justifications for wanting him traded that does the trick.
You To Brutus
August 17th, 2012
2:54 pm
.
What a condescending SOB.
Astro Joe
August 17th, 2012
3:03 pm
I don’t think the Bucks will trade Dunleavy for expiring contracts and would we consider trading Josh, Al, Jeff, Jenkins or a draft pick for him? Seems like the Bucks are in the business of trying to reach the playoffs and not simply dumping salaries. That could change around February, but I doubt they would make a deal now while they have a full season to challenge for the post-season (and they need all of the scoring they can find based on their current roster composition).
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
August 17th, 2012
3:08 pm
“You To Brutus ”
Is that a direction ? a vector? Too funny, man.
KevinM
August 17th, 2012
3:16 pm
AJ, Wes Unseld (1987-94 with the Bullets) and Jeff Ruland have had HC stops along the way, not championship worthy, but HC they were.
Darryl Dawkins had stints in the ABA, the USBL and at a community college.
I get your point though; there’s not many guys who have made it to that level.
KevinM
August 17th, 2012
3:18 pm
Don’t forget the multiple attempts Dave Cowens made as a HC.
Ken Strickland
August 17th, 2012
3:32 pm
OBRIEN-Your belief that Horford’s FG% will go down if he gets more shots isn’t supported by any facts whatsoever. Here’s why I say that.
07-08 FGA 8.2 FG% .499 10.0PPG
08-09 FGA 8.9 FG% .525 11.5PPG
09-10 FGA 10.5 FG% .551 14.2PPG
10-11 FGA 12.0 FG% .557 15.3PPG
We’re talking about an extremely efficient scorer and midrange jumpshooter who won’t forget how to shoot or score just because he’s getting more shots. In fact, the stats show that he becomes even more effective as a shooter and scorer as his shot attempts increase.
We all saw how JSmith’s PPG average increased as he got more FGA in Horford’s absence. Why is it so hard to believe the same won’t happen with Horford, who’s a far more efficient scorer and shooter than Josh?
Michael Cunningham
August 17th, 2012
3:36 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.
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