Atlanta Hawks: Joe Johnson’s Atlanta house on the market for $4.7 million
Will Joe throw in the car? (Photo: estately.com)
Former Hawks guard Joe Johnson is like many of the rest of us: relocating for his job and looking to sell his crib. Most of us aren’t putting our house on the market for $4.7 million, but still.
The listing at estately.com notes J.J.’s “grand estate” includes eight bedrooms and eight full baths among its 13,822 square feet. There’s a weight room, a recording studio, and a basement spa that appears to include a salon with a barber’s chair (helping to explain why J.J.’s waves always were so tight).
Personally, I would never buy a place with a weak Walk Score (at least it’s ITP, though). Then again, if I could afford this mansion, someone else would run my errands and I’m pretty sure I’d have a few friends willing to move in visit every once in a while.
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Just Joe
August 16th, 2012
4:32 pm
We will also have to move quickly in free agency before someone offers Teague a contract and we have to make a decision to either let him walk or match and eat up more of our cap space.
Ra'mon
August 16th, 2012
4:36 pm
Sautee, I don’t want to just give away Horford. However, there are a number of players or combination of players I value higher than Horford, along with a 2013 top 5 draft pick. Bargnani is a 7′0 PF/C who averaged 19 and 5. So if the plan was to bring in two max players along with re-signing Josh, than yes I would want Bargnani to be the FOURTH option over Horford. I would trade Horford for Paul Pierce tomorrow if it was feasible. I would trade him for Gay or Granger as well. I definitely would love to see Horford traded for Chandler, Marc Gasol, or Kevin Love. But it won’t happen. I would prefer my starting C to have a little more fight than what Horford has displayed in the last 3 seasons. If Horford was still ‘BOSS’, I would want him on my team any day. But this Al won’t cut it in the playoffs without more fight. That’s why even though Al is clearly more talented, I like Zaza a little more when he’s on the court. I don’t know if it changed when he had the terrible foul in Toronto years ago, or what. But Horford isn’t that BULLY that the Hawks need their center to be.
Sautee, if Charlotte would take it right now, I would trade Josh for their 2013 pick with NO top three protection on it. There’s not a person in the Hawks locker room that I wouldn’t trade for a top 3 pick in next year’s draft. However, if asked who would be the last player I would trade, it would be Josh.
Rufus1
August 16th, 2012
4:43 pm
The Jazz wanted AL for Dwill, do you think they wouldn’t trade Jefferson in a minute for AL. The only reason that trade isn’t complete.. because Ferry isn’t that STUPID.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
4:44 pm
Ken Strickland
August 16th, 2012
3:20 pm
For all of you HORFORD HATERS, and sudden Al Jefferson fans, consider this. 3 yrs prior to the Jazz acquiring Al Jefferson
I personally do not “hate” Al Horford or his game, however, he would not start for me if i were an NBA Head coach. I think that most on “this Blog” agree that he is not living up to his contract. I would rather have JR Smith and Trevor Ariza. Carl Landry and Ronnie Brewer. There were numerous other free agent options that would have been cheaper and more productive tha “AL”
Ra'mon
August 16th, 2012
4:45 pm
Shabazz Muhammed is the next super star who will be drafted. And Nerlens Noel, Cody Zeller, Rudy Gobert, and Isaiah Austin (Austin has a 9′3 standing reach) are each pieces of a cornerstone that you build around (and they each happen to play center). In my mind, the easiest way in to the top 5 of the draft is through Horford, because Josh will not get such a high pick without being extended before the deal. So yes, I would trade Horford for the draft rights for any of those 5 players mentioned.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
4:46 pm
AL Horford is “Not’ an NBA Allstar. He is just “Average Al” I like him as a “Back-up Center/PF”
He does not deserve starter minutes. Al should be a 25 minutes a night guy!
Bounce
August 16th, 2012
4:47 pm
Why does this “intellect” scream all the darn time when he reads opposing views?
Wusa, Wusa, Wusa.
Ra'mon
August 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
LAL traded a starting center in his prime for the draft rights to Kobe, before he was Kobe, without a good back up center. Grizzlies traded a PF in his prime for the draft rights to P. Gasol, even though Shareef was their best player in their franchise history at the time.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
Is Ken Strickland really Al Horford? I do not understand why this guy does not get it. Al Horford is a scrub as a starter. He is very good coming off the bench. Al does not have the “Herat” of a champion. If you could give AL, Tim Tebow’s heart, you would have a heck of a Basketball player.
Bounce
August 16th, 2012
4:51 pm
Lets be real, ALL-Star Al is not talented enough to be a cornerstone piece to build a Championship around. See Olympics…
Bounce
August 16th, 2012
4:53 pm
A blogger called him out as a overrated Allstar. I concur.
Bounce
August 16th, 2012
4:56 pm
Allstar means carry your team for stretches..Can he do that on the regular?
Melvin
August 16th, 2012
5:00 pm
Ra’mon,
I like Shabazz. I said several blogs ago, I think he will be the next superstart. He looks like a left handed Kobe.
Sautee
August 16th, 2012
5:02 pm
Ramon, I’ve stated MANY times that I’d trade Horford, Josh, or any other Hawk in a trade that made us a better team. However, Bargnani’s contract is only for 3 more years, not 4, and he would only save $3M over two years while averaging 5 rebounds? And BTW, Bargnani is a year OLDER than Al.
And IF you had Bargnani as your 4th option, as you suggested, surely you don’t believe he’d get 20 ppg? He’s used to getting 15+ GFA, how would he adjust to getting 8-10? Also, have you compared their FG%?
Horford shoots a career .537%, while Andrea is at .440%. If you had to have one as a 3rd or 4th option, wouldn’t you want a 3rd or 4th option with the highest FG% you could get, to maximize the fewer FGA?
Sautee
August 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
“Lets be real, ALL-Star Al is not talented enough to be a cornerstone piece to build a Championship around.” – Bounce
Let’s be real. Bounce is slimjr, and we all wonder why he doesn’t just say the same things under his own handle. LOL, like we couldn’t tell?
Bounce
August 16th, 2012
5:04 pm
Man 19 and 5 sounds better than 12 and 8 all day.
Sautee
August 16th, 2012
5:08 pm
“LAL traded a starting center in his prime for the draft rights to Kobe, before he was Kobe, without a good back up center. Grizzlies traded a PF in his prime for the draft rights to P. Gasol, even though Shareef was their best player in their franchise history at the time.” – Ra’mon
Excellent point, Ra’mon. If we could get an unprotected lottery pick for any player on the Hawks, I’d think hard about it. As long as we’re shakin’ the tree…
But that’s likely a fantasy.
JaeEvolution
August 16th, 2012
6:48 pm
http://www.nba.com/hoop/lowpost/the_60_million_question_2012_08_14.html
Insightful read on the tax penalties facing the Lakers unless they make a move.
Also we have little to no chance for Shabazz unless trading up for a HIGH pick because he is top 3 lock. Tony Mitchell of North Texas is just a physical specimen. He would take some molding but Ferry seems focused more on player development now than in years past. In a stepback year I’d rather us miss playoffs and have a chance at this guy because he is a lottery lock for 2013 draft and his potential is absolutely through the roof.
JaeEvolution
August 16th, 2012
6:52 pm
Just found this little tidbit of information.
It’s noteworthy that Oklahoma City Thunder general manager Sam Presti, San Antonio Spurs vice president of basketball operations Danny Ferry and two Dallas Mavericks scouts were among the NBA horde at the Super Pit in the two-point loss to Middle Tennessee, when Mitchell missed a potential tying tip-in high above the rim in the final seconds.
Danny has his eyes on this guy, because he sees the potential he has.
JaeEvolution
August 16th, 2012
6:53 pm
Article if you are interested:
http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/id/7635882/north-texas-mean-green-forward-tony-mitchell-creating-buzz-nba-circles
pointguardslim
August 16th, 2012
7:40 pm
HAWKSFANSINCE95-Having 2 6′ 9″ post players (6′8 250 Lebron and 6′11 Chris Bosh) didn’t stop the Miami Heat from winning the NBA championship by defeating the much bigger frontline of the Thunder. Stop focusing on my enthusiasm and start paying attention to the common sense facts and examples I’ve been presenting. You’re trying to justify your unjustifiable opinions and stance on Horford’s talents and contribution to the success of the Hawks.
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People are pressing you on Al Ken, but damn If you aint justifying our small lineup with Lebron and Horford. They the Hall of Fame Heat players are outliers.
Astro Joe
August 16th, 2012
7:41 pm
Ra’mon, the Hawks have historically been an average rebounding team (in the best years), Bargnani will NOT help the cause. I see him as a step backwards, not even a lateral step, from Horford (and I actually like Bargnani).
I stand by what I have been saying for months, I’m not trading Al unless I know that Josh is staying. So until there is an extension signed, Horford stays until next summer. I’m just not of the opinion that guys who can efficiently deliver 16-18 points, 10 boards, and 4-5 assists/blocks per game grow on trees.
Just Joe, the third option on most teams is a “role Player”. If the Hawks can’t afford a $12M/year contract for their third wheel, then they need to get out of the professional basketball business. Horford will have to battle Bynum in the East, that’s it. And Hibbert, Noah, KG or okafor will have big problems guarding Bynum. Having a designated “thumper” for the 3-4 old-school centers is far better than trading a very capable player because while successful against 25+ other teams, he needs help against 3-5 teams. That’s the old “chasing the 20% mistake”.
I want Ferry to watch this group with his own eyes before making a trade. He has done what was needed to create cap flexibility, at this point, the only thing left is to evaluate the talent on the court and determine how he will shape the team.
pointguardslim
August 16th, 2012
7:45 pm
Bargnani now? No F’ng thanks. Hawks are starved for some stars but ppg does not equal star.
I wonder how Bargnani would do flanked by Zaza and Josh but Al’s trade value is a lot more than Bargnani. I rather have Andersen or you know Jon Leuer ;D
Astro Joe
August 16th, 2012
7:46 pm
Ra’mon, I suspect that those trades (Divac & SAR) were done by GMs who had at least 1 season to see for themselves that they would not go anywhere with those guys.
IMO, any Horford trade to be considered now can be considered in January or July. And chances are, his trade value will increase as he plays next season.
pointguardslim
August 16th, 2012
7:50 pm
Ryan Andersen and multiple picks for Al.
Leuer for a 2nd rounder.
Shouldve just flipped his injured butt for KG’s expiring and I bet Dwight wouldn’t have signed that damn extension. I know we wouldn’t have lost in the 1st round to KG lol.
But we too busy looking at Josh for Pau. smh
Astro Joe
August 16th, 2012
7:53 pm
The other issue, if you have Zaza, Bargnani and Josh, then you lose pretty much all rim protection. don’t sit there and believe that josh will become the first SF in NBA history who is able to protect the rim while guarding guys 20 feet from the basket. Imagine Josh leaving Paul Pierce alone because he has to help protect the rim on a drive to the hoop by Rondo. Way too many potent SFs in our conference for Josh to be trying to guard those guys AND stop a layup line (simultaneously).
Ken Strickland
August 16th, 2012
8:08 pm
“AL HORFORD IS NOT AN NBA ALLSTAR”. Wow, talk about a HORFORD HATING fool that can’t deal with reality. You’re right, he’s not an Allstar, he’s a 2 time Allstar and All NBA center.
SAUTEE-For someone that loves a challenge and loves to add facts and common sense to a sea of ignorance and stupidity, these HORFORD HATING CLOWNS really give you a wealth of ignorant and stupid comments and suggestions to deal with. Since when has Bargnani protected the rim, or dominated anyone or anything offensively, defensively, or on the boards? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
Fortunately for the Hawks organization, DFerry knows his business and doesn’t share the basketball ignorance of those who have personal issues with Al Horford and/or JSmith.
Sautee
August 16th, 2012
8:17 pm
KenS,
They are welcome to their opinions. The bottom line is that is doesn’t matter what anyone on this blog thinks of Horford. It’s only what Danny Ferry thinks of him that matters. And Ferry’s action (or inaction) regarding Horford will be very interesting, and likely a crucial judgement of Ferry’s tenure here.
So, I’ll just wait and see. Ferry’s only been here two months.
Grandad
August 16th, 2012
8:18 pm
Ra`mon
I would not trade Al for Bargnani !
Would you trade Josh For Bargnani ?
That would be a much better deal for the Hawks.
It would save more _$_ long term;
if that`s what you`re worried about now … saving money.
Yawl harp on Al`s defense;
Bargnani`s defense is non-existent !
However,
I`m kinda like AJ;
there are aspects of AB`s game that I like:
exp – he would be a nice back-up / change of pace for Zaza.
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steven a smith:
do you even realize a basketball is round ?
____________________________________________
I look forward next year to C.Paul feeding the ball to a frontcourt of:
a Dominican, a Spaniard, and a Mississippian;
with a Georgian coming off the bench [for our Hawks] !
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
8:42 pm
Grandad
August 16th, 2012
8:18 pm
Just my opinion. Al Horford for 6-8 million per is not a bad deal. He is a modern day Ken Norman or Jon Koncak.
O'Brien
August 16th, 2012
8:43 pm
Ra’mon,
What would you think about a possible (maybe highly unlikely) Al for Bargnani trade with Toronto? The salaries match. And Bargnani would be the one PF that allows Josh to move to the SF position. Also it saves the Hawks a few million dollars. Even this season, a front line of Josh – Bargnani – Zaza is pretty good. The Hawks may be able to squeeze a draft pick out of Toronto also..
No thank you.
1) For his career, 7 feet Andrea Bargnani averages 5 rpg, despite spending time at Center. What kind of rebounding can we expect at PF? Also, his defense is weak.
2) I do not want Josh playing SF. Right now on offense, he does not have the discipline to play more in the post as a PF, so the possibility is there that he might take even more jumpers as a SF. And on defense, I don’t want him chasing SFs around, because that also takes him away from the rim (unless you planned on Bargnani defending SF).
A first round pick from Toronto would be good, but I wouldn’t make the deal unless the plan was to flip Bargnani for other assets.
O'Brien
August 16th, 2012
8:45 pm
Steven A Smith,
Just my opinion. Al Horford for 6-8 million per is not a bad deal. He is a modern day Ken Norman or Jon Koncak..
I’m curious. Did ken Norman or Jon Koncak ever make multiple all star teams? Were either of them named 3rd team all NBA, despite being the 3rd/4th option?
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
8:46 pm
Grandad
August 16th, 2012
8:18 pm
Ra`mon
I would not trade Al for Bargnani !
Al Horford would be an excellent “Back-up Center” He was great coming offf the bench in the play-offs. Al is clearly not an “elite” starter in this league.
pointguardslim
August 16th, 2012
8:47 pm
The other issue, if you have Zaza, Bargnani and Josh, then you lose pretty much all rim protection. don’t sit there and believe that josh will become the first SF in NBA history who is able to protect the rim while guarding guys 20 feet from the basket. Imagine Josh leaving Paul Pierce alone because he has to help protect the rim on a drive to the hoop by Rondo. Way too many potent SFs in our conference for Josh to be trying to guard those guys AND stop a layup line (simultaneously).
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Don’t feed the troll. But as far as protecting the rim Josh on the perimeter means he’s going to either stay in front of them or come from the side to block and alter shots.
I am speaking on Josh, PF, Zaza. I don’t want to speculate on Barney.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
8:52 pm
pointguardslim
August 16th, 2012
8:47 pm
Pointguardfat, Josh cannot guard any SFs in the National Basketball Association.
pointguardslim
August 16th, 2012
8:57 pm
I personally do not “hate” Al Horford or his game, however, he would not start for me if i were an NBA Head coach. I think that most on “this Blog” agree that he is not living up to his contract.
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Stephen A thats as good as it gets for $12 mil. What you mean to say is he’s not outperforming his contract. He hasn’t developed into a bargain as expected.
12 mil is for value for last year. 15, 9 and 3.5 assists. Thats 22 points at least kid.
The problem is people thought Horford would be prime Elton Brand by now. Not necessarily 20 and 10 but commanding double teams. Unfortunately he’s a seasoned college player with 4 years and plenty playoff games under his belt. And people did not see the ceiling. He’ll get incrementally better with experience but he’s never going to be a superstar. Neither is Josh.
I’d get another big that can do things Josh and Al can and cant do. Defend true Cs, run the floor, lead the break, pass on the break, bulldog inside, hit the midrange. Dwight howard is the most obvious, Dejuan Blair is a guy I’m looking at as well.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
8:57 pm
O’Brien
August 16th, 2012
8:45 pm
Steven A Smith,
Just my opinion. Al Horford for 6-8 million per is not a bad deal. He is a modern day Ken Norman or Jon Koncak..
I’m curious. Did ken Norman or Jon Koncak ever make multiple all star teams? Were either of them named 3rd team all NBA, despite being the 3rd/4th option?
The league was a lot smaller when Ken Norman played. The NBA is watered down now. Even GRANDAD could probably play right now, Al Horford would not have been a starter on those old Mike Fratello teams.
pointguardslim
August 16th, 2012
9:00 pm
stephanie A trick
Whatever helps you sleep at night you sad warped little she-man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuklWpNBhE0
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
9:01 pm
I am watching the Falcons game right now, Al Horford is the Matt Ryan of the NBA. There is no better sports metaphor peroid! Matt Ryan cannot carry the Falcons either!
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
9:03 pm
Josh Smith got abused by the Celtics in the Garden, Abused in the playoffs!
Sautee
August 16th, 2012
9:04 pm
steven a smith,
You just lost whatever shred of credibility you had with that statement. You are welcome to your opinion, but I will scroll on past your posts if you truly think Horford is remotely comparable to Ken Norman or Jon Koncak, who never in their careers were even CONSIDERED for an All-Star berth.. That seemed more like you were “stick poking” to me.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
9:07 pm
Ok, Al is better than Jon Contract. Ken Norman had more heart than AL. Ken just could not shoot freethrows.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
9:11 pm
Once again, I wish that Danny Ferry was the GM of this Blog. He could do a little house cleaning here and trade away some of you SCRUB Bloggers, ie,,.Strickland, Poop, Grandad. Slim Jim, Pointguardslim, etc..
Sautee
August 16th, 2012
9:18 pm
“The league was a lot smaller when Ken Norman played. The NBA is watered down now” – steven a smith
LMFAO. Yeah a LOT smaller. TWO WHOLE TEAMS smaller. When Norman played 1987-1996 there were 28 teams in the league.
That was a BS excuse and I hope you knew it when you wrote it. Otherwise you are hopelessly uninformed about the NBA.
Sautee
August 16th, 2012
9:20 pm
To be perfectly clear, for most of Norman’s career their were 28 teams. Vancouver and Toronto were added in 1995.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
9:38 pm
Sautee, I respect your opinions, however, you are starting to act like that BIg Dummy “Buddy Gizzards!
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
9:40 pm
By the way, Where is Buddy “the Big Dummy” Gizzards???Probably forgot how to turn his machine on….
Grandad
August 16th, 2012
9:42 pm
steven a
I can shoot better than Josh right now !
If I were a mind to;
I would take Josh`s lunch money.
But I don`t hustle kids anymore.
steven a smith
August 16th, 2012
9:49 pm
Some of you guys must have had an “Ochoc-cinco Headbutt” 2-night? or should i say Chad Johnson”HeadButt”
Sautee
August 16th, 2012
9:53 pm
“Some of you guys must have had an “Ochoc-cinco Headbutt” 2-night? or should i say Chad Johnson”HeadButt””
Says the guy who compared Horford to Koncak.