Yes, Hawks GM Danny Ferry is considering using the final open roster spot (assuming Ivan Johnson eventually signs his qualifying offer) to add a small forward.
“I would say probably a wing that can compete defensively at a high level would be a good thing to be able to add at some point,” Ferry said.

Ferry taking his time with 15th roster spot. (Photo: Johnny Crawford/AJC)
But, no, that doesn’t mean he’s in a hurry to acquire such a player.
“That may happen,” Ferry said. “How that happens, I can’t sit here and tell you. Could it be someone we sign? Could it be a trade at some point and, if so, when could that be? Trades happen in their own time. We have until February to do it.”
And, Ferry said, if the Hawks do sign a free-agent wing, it’s likely the player would have to accept a non-guaranteed contract.
“There is a good chance we will carry 15,” he said. “But preferably that 15th person will be on a ‘make good’ situation that allows us the flexibility needed in case injuries happen and so on. Being locked into 15 [guaranteed contracts] is generally not ideal.”
Players with non-guaranteed deals are easier to include in trades because the team that acquires them can release them to save money. All players contracts become guaranteed on Jan. 10.
Ferry presumably is waiting to see who he can get through a trade or on a non-guaranteed deal because the wing players still on the market aren’t enticing enough to offer a guaranteed contract now. The wing also could come from among those on Atlanta’s summer roster, though Ferry said he and his staff still are deciding which free agents to invite to veterans’ camp.
The next key date for the Hawks is Sept. 11. That’s when the players acquired in the Joe Johnson trade and Devin Harris will be eligible to be used in trades that aggregate their salaries under CBA rules (60 days after they were acquired).
For now, the Hawks will stick with Kyle Korver as the closest thing to a true wing. But, considering Ferry’s flurry of transactions in his short time with the Hawks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make a trade this summer or early in the season to reconfigure Atlanta’s unbalanced roster.
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Sautee
August 13th, 2012
9:35 pm
T-s,
Al’s last full season he had the most top 5 appearances in 9 categories of stats for centers of any center in the league. How did Amare do this year for PF? Any top 5’s?
Any at all?
I didn’t think so. And if you are rounding, than put Horford at 13 ppg career, since he is 12.8, not 12.
Astro Joe
August 13th, 2012
9:36 pm
IMO, the Knicks will miss Landry Fields more than they will miss Lin. But they made the right move not to match Toronto’s offer sheet.
They really smoke that stuff
August 13th, 2012
9:37 pm
Hawks>Knicks
Slimjr
August 13th, 2012
9:54 pm
I do hope that Danny could have the Hawks appearing in an ECF within the next 3-5 years…
Its going to take some serious luck if he cant acquire a “Super Star” through free agency or the draft..
The Hawks had two AllStars and and could not even smell an ECF in the weaker Eastern Conference….Wow
Stay tuned….
Slimjr
August 13th, 2012
10:13 pm
For Vava:
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Ken Strickland
August 14th, 2012
1:29 am
For those who still insist on believing this yrs Hawks, without JJ and Marvin, will end up missing the playoffs or finishing at the bottom of the pile if they do make the playoffs, here’s another way of looking at how the team just might actually improve without them. Their shots and mins will be distributed among the rest of the players. Now check out the stats of 4 of our new scoring additions.
1-AMorrow———MIN-26.4, PTS-12.0, RB-2.0, AST-1.0
2-DHarris———–MIN-27.6, PTS-11.3, RB-1.8, AST-5.0
3-LWILLIAMS—–MIN-26.3, PTS-14.9, RB-2.4, AST-3.5
4-KKORVER——MIN-22.6, PTS—8.1, RB-2.4, AST-1.9
Now compare their production to those of Marvin and Hinrich, since their mins were simular.
1-MWilliams-MIN-26.3, PTS-10.2, RB-5.0, AST-1.8
2-KHinrich—MIN-25.8, PTS—6.6, RB-2.1, AST-2.8
If you’ll notice, most of our new additions were more productive than Marvin or Hinrich in pts, assists and/or rebounds. And new frontline players Williams and Petro were more productive individually than Collins and Dampier combined. Add AHorford’s production to the mix, along with the expected improvement of PG JTeague, and you have a team with a definite chance to improve over last yrs team, unless you’re one of those who can’t see the forest for the trees.
tjhook
August 14th, 2012
2:04 am
Al Thornton for small forward; the team can try him out for a year and see how high his upside can be. This guy has scoring ability and athleticism. Could be a great fit for what we want to do. Second, is Danny Granger’s stock going to be down this year. I think he could be acquired if Granger does not start off like an All-Star in the first half of the season.
vava74
August 14th, 2012
3:30 am
Ken,
You cannot compare the positive impact that JJ had on D with with the mash up of offense that the incoming players will give.
90% of SG in the league will be able to go into the low post and massacre all our SGs with the exception of Stephenson who I imagine will only play token minutes (more or less as Damien Wilkins did 2 years ago).
Also, JJ commanded double teams and consistently hit clutch shots over SGs on non playoff teams making again those teams games look easy.
I am hopeful that Lou will be a good contributor but I think he will come in and split minutes at the PG and SG slots.
There is definitively a “tradeable” sign on both Devin and Teague, depending on what Ferry can get from them and, obviously, depending on how he sees their contribution.
vava74
August 14th, 2012
6:51 am
Also, if you read between the lines, Ferry states that we will be weaker without JJ and that we are working towards a higher goal:
“It was a hard deal for us. But, at the end, we had a good making-the-playoff run, but we hadn’t had a good playoff run, if that makes sense. And the goal is to have a good playoff run. That was going to be hard to sustain, with how we were set up.”
“Well, we have good players now to be competitive now. And we’re in a position to be opportunistic going forward. We’re not only going down one path. The map that we’re standing on now has a lot of different roads that we can take. Whereas a month ago there really was only one road.”
At the same time, he also clearly states that JJ was not worth his contract when he said that Brooklyn got a “good player”:
“… I think it was a win-win for both teams. They got a good player who’d help keep around Deron Williams…”
“… I think people may have taken for granted the success they’ve had here. And Joe was a big part of that. But also, I think, we recognized that to get better some changes had to happen. The best we could do was status quo. And that wasn’t good enough for anybody.”
Ferry knows that we will be worse THIS season due to the loss of JJ, but this is merely ONE STAGE of a middle to long term plan.
ag
August 14th, 2012
8:16 am
Again – I disagree. They will be better. Our upgrades in our bench will make us better. A couple of bloggers are hard on JT. As long as LD doesn’t mess us around, JT can be a 16 ppg 8 ast pg. I went crazy last season watching ZaZa fumble passes, miss open shots – along with Marvin. JT will almost double his assist this season.
Ken Strickland
August 14th, 2012
8:59 am
VALVA74-I’m not saying we won’t miss certain attributes that both JJ and Marvin brought to the table, especially defensively. What I’m saying is all teams and players have weakness and strengths. The more successful teams and players are the ones that are able to successfully utilize their strengths to compensate for or minimize their weaknesses. Losing JJ and Marvins particular type of DEF doesn’t mean we can’t successfully compensate.
We’ll just have to play more team DEF, like the Bulls did, especially after acquiring CBoozer, who was definitely a DEF liability prior to becoming a Bull. We’ll have to compensate by utilizing the speed, quickness, and athleticism in our backcourt to provide more help DEF, as well as score more pts. It’s all up to LDrew and his staff to make it work.
The only documented DEF liability currently on our roster is KKorver, and he’s not likely to start. We don’t know what we have defensively in Scott or Jenkins at this point. The fact that they did’t play a lot of man to man DEF in college doesn’t mean they can’t adjust and become adequate at it. The trick is to use your stellar OFF to compensate for you less than stellar DEF. We see it happen in the NBA all of the time.
We’ve see it with JKidd, who’s now a DEF liability at his age, SNash, who’s always been a DEF liability, JTerry, who’s barely adequate, JCrawford, who doesn’t even try, AStaudemire, CAnthony, KLove, etc.
Balance Is key
August 14th, 2012
9:16 am
It’s true Dwight wasn’t coming to ATL. And it has more to do with issues between he and his family (I’m talking Mom and Dad here) than anything else. They have some issues they need to work out. This info is legit as I have numerous people at my church who used to go to Dwight’s church and friends who played with Dwight at SACA as well. Can’t say much more out of respect but that’s the gist of it.
done done it.
August 14th, 2012
10:31 am
Sautee
August 13th, 2012
9:35 pm
Why are you bringing to my attention that Al horford that Al horford is not a good center or power forward. I already know that. I see that many others know that and are voicing displease. If you want me to be that spokesman or point person for the many people who feel that Al is part of the problem not part of the solution, well, as you know, I can handle that. No problem.
You smoke really strong pot. Its jarring your thinking…Kinda like what Sonny Liston said about being hit hard, ” it shakes your awareness brain cells out of their cups and you become disoriented.”
There is no such thing as 1/4th a rebound or 3/4 a rebound. 1/2 a rebound is the same as saying youve got half and some one else has half, or I half way had a rebound,,maybe Josh got the first half of the rebound and Al horford got the second half or better yet Al got half a rebound but lost the other half..
Has anyone seen the other half of Al’s rebound?
SMFH
Amare spent more time at center than power forward and called Al out by name, center to center.
Now, while you believe in rounding up point to pimp Al’s career stats I dont. I believe. Al’s career number is 12 pts
I have never seen .25, .50, .75 show up on a score board. And If you detox long enough you will admit that.
As much as you like to p imp Al’s stats by keynoting his one (1) statistically average year and ignoring all the other years of performance, I again think you need to detox. All players have up and down years and you have to judge them on a body of work not 1 week, month or 1 season. Hell I can take Jon Koncaks best 5 minutes of his career multiply that across 48 minute and P imp his stats too.
And since you like to compare Al to Josh to help Al’s stature, Al’s very best year, of 15pts would only match Josh’s career average. 15pts. Which is ironic because Al had a full college career (12pts there too) and came to the NBA as the most polished and NBA player in the draft, yet his very best is equal to the every day numbers of Josh who, out of high school, has been a better source of offense and defense than Al.
Josh is just now getting to the NBA ready level that Al was at five years ago.
Enough of comparing Al and Josh, two different players two different levels, two different games.
In fact its really a wasted subject to talk about Al. He is not the kind of guy you want to build a team around . Al at his best is a role player or or back up splitting time at center/pf
done done it.
August 14th, 2012
10:40 am
*Al at his best is a role player or back up splitting time at center/pf
SnowMan
August 14th, 2012
10:46 am
And what about the time Al hoford show up at a practice and Ivan Johnson called him out and punked him?
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/04/13/breaking-news-ivan-johnson-sent-home/
Brutus
August 14th, 2012
10:54 am
i believe that was in a game when Al horford had returned with a game under his belt and commited 7 turnovers and costing the hawks the game. Ivan Johnson called Al a hoe and threatened to fck him on the court. He was angry because Al had ruin all the hard work he josh and zaza had put in the whole season, while Al laid out.
To Ivan’s defense I would have been upset too.
Sautee
August 14th, 2012
10:57 am
“There is no such thing as 1/4th a rebound or 3/4 a rebound. 1/2 a rebound is the same as saying youve got half and some one else has half, or I half way had a rebound,,maybe Josh got the first half of the rebound and Al horford got the second half or better yet Al got half a rebound but lost the other half.. ” – T-s
Now you’re just being silly. If Josh gets 21 rebounds over two games, what was his “average” in rebounds? 10.5
Did he “get” 10.5 rebounds per game, or did he “average” 10.5 rebounds? I only explain this to you because you want to appear to be dense, but you are really just being silly.
And there was no need to “pimp” Al’s stats for 2010-11 because he was in the top 5 of most statistical categories. That’s a fact. You are dealing with your emotions, and are giving opinion, which is your right to do. I was stating facts, which is my right to do.
Uncle Troll
August 14th, 2012
11:17 am
Actually, in mid-April (when Ivan was sent home), the Hawks were still playing regular season games and Horford did NOT return until around game 3 of the playoffs.
Grandad
August 14th, 2012
11:58 am
AJ
Danny Ferry is and will be planting those seeds
from himself through the coaching staff, players,
ticket takers, training staff, chef, ball boys,
dancing girls, and Harry the the Hawk.
Regardless of whomever will be here;
one week, one year, or one decade.
A ” Winning Culture ” must be:
thorough, complete, through & through, top to bottom,
and it was begun the very second he was hired.
A ” Winning Culture ” is not just an idea,
`tis a way of life, for every individual who touches the organization.
Slimjr
August 14th, 2012
12:12 pm
Its going to take 3-5 years for Danny to turn around 44 years of under performing from top to bottom..
Guess we will just have to be very patient like those fans who have been suffering for almost 5 decades…Sheesh..
Glad to be an NBA Fan 1st and foremost…..
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
August 14th, 2012
12:24 pm
BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT
Slimjr
August 14th, 2012
12:27 pm
They say “patience is a virtue” but these doggone Hawks sure know how to test them……
So the more things change the more they may stay the same? This franchise relying heavily [unbalanced] on its guard play and scoring ability to win ballgames? Hmmmmmmmm
Have we seen this b4?
ag
August 14th, 2012
12:38 pm
Sautee.. why even argue with these guys? You show how he has improved EVERY season – but still wants to pull out average 12 ppg. Hey – go be a Buck fan and cheer for ???? Al is a top 5 center in the league and one of the top in the East. Maybe all these Al haters want Joel Anthony!
jhan
August 14th, 2012
12:47 pm
Did I miss someone saying that Al was the guy to build this team around? He’s not that type of player & nobody ever said he was. He is a very good role player that every team needs & is paid accordingly. I bet more than half the teams in the NBA would trade their starting center for him straight up if the salary cap was not an issue.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 14th, 2012
1:30 pm
“Did I miss someone saying that Al was the guy to build this team around?”
Yes.
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2010/12/how-much-better-is-dwight-howard-than.html
I agree completely with your assessment of him. Until about a year ago, though, there was a significant group of basketball writers and bloggers — maybe even the majority — that tried to paint him as a franchise cornerstone.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 14th, 2012
1:39 pm
http://netsarescorching.com/2012/08/14/joe-johnson-week-brook-lopez-kris-humphries-mirza-teletovic-make-break-season/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NetsAreScorching+%28Nets+Are+Scorching%29
When most successful, the Hawks relied on spacing, deftly balancing the inside and outside. Josh Smith, perhaps most known for his defense and athleticism, is an excellent passer for a player of his size and skill, and Smith often found Johnson open through double-teams and broken-down defensive sets.
Smith assisted on 84 of Johnson’s field goals in 2011-12, more than any two of Johnson’s teammates and more than all Atlanta point guards combined. Smith found Johnson often in a variety of ways: hitting Johnson posting up or over the top at the rim from the high post, lurking in a corner after drawing a double-team in the low post, spinning and opening up the corner pass, high-screening and handing the ball off, and more.
Just in case, for the next time someone tries to downplay Josh’s ability to draw double teams and pass to the open guy, or his basketball IQ in general.
Najeh Davenpoop
August 14th, 2012
1:46 pm
In related news, apparently it is “Joe Johnson week” over at the netsarescorching blog, for whatever it’s worth.
Just Joe
August 14th, 2012
1:47 pm
I think the Hawks should look in to trading Anthony Morrow for Wilson Chandler (like others have suggested), which I think Denver would accept.
I view Chandler as a keeper, a guy that I would not mind pairing with Josh Smith for the next several years. I worry a little bit about his injury history, but think that $6M a year is fair compensation.
Statistically, Chandler may compare to Marvin Williams, but the “eye test” suggests that he’s a much more confident & aggressive player. He’s also a two-way player that would improve our defense without slowing down the offense. Maybe I’m wrong, but I see him as someone who would welcome the challenge of going head-to-head in the East with Lebron & Melo & Granger & Deng & Pierce (which is something we need).
As far as eating up $6M of next summer’s cap space, I don’t see it as an issue. Taking on $6M now would not stop the Hawks from signing a max free agent next summer. There are always ways to clear additional cap space when you have good players on fair contracts.
Astro Joe
August 14th, 2012
1:56 pm
Najeh, I’m not sure that passing to the open man is a metric for measuring basketball IQ. Josh’s ability to draw double teams in the low post is only compromised by Josh’s willingness to play in the low-post.
I still consider Horford as a franchise cornerstone. If cornerstone is defined as one of 3-4 core players that is the foundation of a top team. Yep, I’d gladly maintain him in that category. 15/10/3 assists on 12 FGAs and playing as his team’s 3rd option?
Astro Joe
August 14th, 2012
1:59 pm
Just Joe, I agree with your Chandler post.
Astro Joe
August 14th, 2012
2:03 pm
Some seem to be equating Al Horford to Amir Johnson. SMDH.
done done it.
August 14th, 2012
2:04 pm
10.5 rebounds per game, or did he “average” 10.5 rebounds?
No, he averaged 10 rebounds per game, over the two (2) game set. because in neither game did he get .5 of a rebound or a half rebound?
He is not getting 10.5 rebound per game over that 2 game set. There is no fractional rebound, you either get it or you dont. he average getting 10 rebounds but on his best night he got 11.
More over, Sautee, when two or more players have hands on a ball that is eligible to be a rebound they call it a team rebound.
hawksfancents95
August 14th, 2012
2:07 pm
Nothing Hawks related will happen until September 11th. I think we will try to trade Morrow and Petro or a combination to get a guy or two to help out our bench. I think Dorrell Wright may be a guy we can get as I dont see him getting much minutes in Philly with Turner Richardson and Young and Thad Young. They might take Petro and a 2nd for him. Also if we can get another decent big man for just in case situations like foul trouble or injury for Morow that’d be clutch. I just hate to see us drafting Jenkins and having all these guards and us not getting to see what he can do.
Ive been trying to think of someone to compare Jenkins to and I think maybe a healthy comparison is Ben Gordon(with the bulls as his ceiling) and a smarter jordan crawford(wont shoot as soon as open) bottom. as of now i still see
Teague/Lou Will/Josh/AL/ZaZa starting lineup. some people dont want ZaZa starting but if we start that frontcourt we will be a great defensive/rebounding team and those two areas are crucial for a small speedy team to be succesful like us.
Brutus
August 14th, 2012
2:10 pm
If Al is a top 5 center in the conference then Zaza is # 6 and Ivan is # 7 coz there aint a lot of difference between Al and Zaza or Al and Ivan…. except maybe 7 or 8 million dollars. Every thing else i about the same. So if you want to call Al a top center LOL, really LOL. then he has to be tied with Zaza and Ivan.
Tell me whats the difference out side of the Millions and Millions Al makes?
Najeh Davenpoop
August 14th, 2012
2:10 pm
“I still consider Horford as a franchise cornerstone. If cornerstone is defined as one of 3-4 core players that is the foundation of a top team. ”
I was mainly taking issue with this phrase in the Hoopinion writeup:
Al Horford (season-to-date) can be reasonably compared to Howard, that Horford is plenty good enough to be the two-way focus of his team’s attack
I agree that Al is plenty good enough to be the 3rd option on a championship contender. I do not think he is good enough to be the focus of a team’s offensive or defensive attack. Until a year ago or so, if that wasn’t a consensus, it was at least a fairly prevalent opinion.
Uncle Troll
August 14th, 2012
2:15 pm
Why yall hating on Al? You guys act like you expect Al to work hard all the time. Did Manute Bol have to work that hard? NO Why, I dont know, but he did not and neither does Al.
Go play with your self and LEAVE AL ALONE.
Uncle Troll
August 14th, 2012
2:18 pm
yea, leave al alone and hate on this man.
Smith assisted on 84 of Johnson’s field goals in 2011-12, more than any two of Johnson’s teammates and more than all Atlanta point guards combined. Smith found Johnson often in a variety of ways: hitting Johnson posting up or over the top at the rim from the high post, lurking in a corner after drawing a double-team in the low post, spinning and opening up the corner pass, high-screening and handing the ball off, and more.
Just in case, for the next time someone tries to downplay Josh’s ability to draw double teams and pass to the open guy, or his basketball IQ in general.
jhan
August 14th, 2012
2:23 pm
I agree with Astro on Al. I think he’s a great guy to have in the lineup every night. He is definitely not capable of being the main focus offensively but a very nice piece to have.
SnowMan
August 14th, 2012
2:24 pm
Its only reasonable that we trade Al for more cap space, and a 1st round pick since we can get the same production out of zaza and ivan for 7 million less.
Did we miss Al last year? NO NO NO.
The team played better with out Al than with him. It just makes sense to cut Al’s salary through trade and pick up a 1st rounder.
Thoughts any one?
rocky
August 14th, 2012
2:29 pm
Any body that is comparing Al to Manute Bol needs to apologize to Manute. It was far more rugged centers around during his day than in Al’s era.
But I do agree, Zaza and Ivan did as good and in some cases a better job than Al. If you can get the same numbers for 7million less youd be a fool not to do it.
Sautee
August 14th, 2012
2:29 pm
T-s, I don’t think Ferry thinks of Al the way you do. But I guess we’ll see.
pointguardslim
August 14th, 2012
2:32 pm
I’m all pooped out. All I can say is GO HAWKS! And wish them luck.
But no longer will I put my “hope” into them getting better. Too physically and mentally draining for me.
Buenos dias mi amigos
Astro Joe
August 14th, 2012
2:33 pm
You know what a smart employee does? He learns what his boss values the most and then he tries to deliver that.
Both Al and Josh increased their FGAs from 12+ feet after attending LD’s “offensive mini-camp” in the summer of 2010. My guess is they quickly learned that if the first guy open was supposed to shoot, that they better take that jump shot or Joe, Jamal or Bibby would never give them the ball back.
It has always mystified me why an upgrade in the head coach position would greatly help Josh (in the opinion of many) but not help others as well.
pointguardslim
August 14th, 2012
2:34 pm
And no more making vids either even if Josh plays SF. I, a man from California, should not have to spend hours cutting up videos to make people from Atlanta appreciate one of their own. Thats ludicrous, excuse the pun.
Josh and Al are a good PF + C pair. I’d look to add Dwight and Dejuan Blair next season.
Sautee
August 14th, 2012
2:42 pm
pgs,
I don’t think the people of Atlanta will love or appreciate Josh any more, or any less at PF or SF.
What you really want to do is support your big lineup premise. If that doesn’t stick, then it’s the fans not appreciating Josh? Huh?
Slimjr
August 14th, 2012
2:43 pm
790 is talking about the latest NBA talk:
Slimjr
August 14th, 2012
2:45 pm
THE LAKERS ARE SUPPOSDELY TALIKNG ABOUT TRYINGTO AQUIRE JOSH SMITH TO PLAY ALONG SIDE HOWARD…
GASOL FOR SMITH!
LAKERS IN 5 IF THEY PULL THAT OFF! THE LAKERS WOULD GET ANOTHER STEAL?
Slimjr
August 14th, 2012
2:50 pm
Could you imagine these two escorts[Gasol and All NBA] playing defense together?
Layup line right down the middle…Oh the Humanity…
done done it.
August 14th, 2012
2:51 pm
Sautee Josh is the best player on this team and the player the hawks are building around. This is Josh’s team now.
Ferry has tried to trade Al twice since he’s been here and most of us applaud him for it. Dont get it twisted. Al is an average to good player. You just dont build around mediocrity to try and get to the next level. We tried 3 time to trade Al so far this summer and no one was interested. So you figure it out.
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/…/al-horford-for-danny-granger-who-say...
jhan
August 14th, 2012
2:52 pm
Pgs – that’s one of the few times I actually agree with you. Josh/Al do make a good pair. Individually they are decent but above average playing on the court together.
We didn’t miss Al last year? Not buying that one.
ZaZa/Ivan better than Al? Not buying that one either.
You’d rather have cap space than Al? How many rebounds & points will cap space provide? We’ll see how well Orlando does with all their cap space & draft picks. I’ll take the proven commodity in Al.
Houston got Asik with all their cap space. I’ll take Al every time over Asik.