Atlanta Hawks: Danny Ferry covets wing player but no hurry to add one

Yes, Hawks GM Danny Ferry is considering using the final open roster spot (assuming Ivan Johnson eventually signs his qualifying offer) to add a small forward.

“I would say probably a wing that can compete defensively at a high level would be a good thing to be able to add at some point,” Ferry said.

Ferry taking his time with 15th roster spot. (Photo: Johnny Crawford/AJC)

Ferry taking his time with 15th roster spot. (Photo: Johnny Crawford/AJC)

But, no, that doesn’t mean he’s in a hurry to acquire such a player.

“That may happen,” Ferry said. “How that happens, I can’t sit here and tell you. Could it be someone we sign? Could it be a trade at some point and, if so, when could that be? Trades happen in their own time. We have until February to do it.”

And, Ferry said, if the Hawks do sign a free-agent wing, it’s likely the player would have to accept a non-guaranteed contract.

“There is a good chance we will carry 15,” he said. “But preferably that 15th person will be on a ‘make good’ situation that allows us the flexibility needed in case injuries happen and so on. Being locked into 15 [guaranteed contracts] is generally not ideal.”

Players with non-guaranteed deals are easier to include in trades because the team that acquires them can release them to save money. All players contracts become guaranteed on Jan. 10.

Ferry presumably is waiting to see who he can get through a trade or on a non-guaranteed deal because the wing players still on the market aren’t enticing enough to offer a guaranteed contract now. The wing also could come from among those on Atlanta’s summer roster, though Ferry said he and his staff still are deciding which free agents to invite to veterans’ camp.

The next key date for the Hawks is Sept. 11. That’s when the players acquired in the Joe Johnson trade and Devin Harris will be eligible to be used in trades that aggregate their salaries under CBA rules (60 days after they were acquired).

For now, the Hawks will stick with Kyle Korver as the closest thing to a true wing. But, considering Ferry’s flurry of transactions in his short time with the Hawks, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make a trade this summer or early in the season to reconfigure Atlanta’s unbalanced roster.

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kwooden1

August 10th, 2012
6:29 pm

This is my problem as a fan about the JJ trade, again I understand the trade from Ferry and the owner perspective…

If the Hawks had just traded Marvin and not JJ, then used their Mid-Level on someone like Defino or Chandler and they would be the 2nd best team in the East now. Celtics would be close and maybe NY, but everyone else would have serious problems against the HAWKS. And if the season didn’t go well they could have amnestied JJ and let Josh walk and started over with the same cap space. Now they have a bunch of parts that don’t fit, near useless cap space in the future and a wasted season. I like Ferry’s ability to make moves, but I definitely not excited or really impressed.

9bballer

August 10th, 2012
7:25 pm

Trade Smith for picks and play using Al, Teague, Harris, Ivan, and Lou. Undersized but we should be able to play and up tempo game and finish decently enough to attract Tyreke Evans and Chris Paul next year

wpl

August 10th, 2012
7:39 pm

A good defensive wing player, can be had or found in the D-League, there are plenty out there, seen plenty in summer league, remember he doesn’t need to score, we’ve got plenty of fire power. So I understand why he does not have to be in a hurry, why pay a FA 1-3 million dollars when you can get a D-League for 400,000 and will play much harder.

prison mike

August 10th, 2012
7:57 pm

Brandon Rush will be our target in 2013. If no Dwight, the plan will be to find guys that can play with Josh and Al.

Jefferson, Ibaka, can do that, possibly Millsap as well.

HAWKSORDIE

August 10th, 2012
7:59 pm

trade josh?? u nuts?? josh is top 3 pf in nba period …imo I wouldn’t ever trade josh smith..never too much athleticism blocks steals dunks midrange game better…so on..

Brian

August 10th, 2012
8:27 pm

Josh Smith sucks. His lack of intelligence and poor offensive game is the reason needs to be gone.

Oh, and btw… According to win shares, Josh is only worth 5 or 6 wins. That’s all.

Brian

August 10th, 2012
8:29 pm

Where is all of this fire power? Both Lou Williams and Josh Smith are ineffiecent shooters. Anthony Morrow struggled to score on a really bad team. Kover is only good for about 2 or 3 baskets a game. Teague is a mediocre 12PPG scorer. Harris is on the decline and he stunk it up for the Jazz.

Rev in Tampa

August 10th, 2012
8:33 pm

I was hopeful that the Dwightstakes would end up shipping Horford out of Atlanta. I like Horford well enough and believe he is deserving of his All-NBA honors, but he has plateaued, if not regressed (even before his injury).

The hawks are going to be small in the paint.

wpl

August 10th, 2012
8:54 pm

The hawks got plenty of offense, plenty of fire power

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
9:13 pm

Melvin, I guess I’m no longer traumatized by what happned about 40 months ago with the magic. Since then, we’re 6-1 against them in the regular season (and 4-2 in the playoffs).

Brian

August 10th, 2012
9:19 pm

Hawks offense might push 91PPG with a very little shooting percentage.

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
9:28 pm

my bad, about 28 months ago.

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
9:34 pm

Agree Rev.. Al has good trade value..

We need a solid scoring wing more than we need Al’s limited game in the playoffs..

Why not shop him for Derrick Williams and picks? Just shop him and see what kind of interest you garner on the market…

For real, this AllStar is not taking anybody to an ECF or Finals…Shop him now at his peak…

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
9:41 pm

His 1950’s set shot is easily neutralized in the playoffs! Playoffs?

Yes, he wears the Williams cloak most of the time in those big games but like someone once said even blind squirrel will stumble across a nut[game 5] from time to time….LOL!

Yes Rev, it would have been awesome if the Hawks could have jettison Al for D12…Oh well..The Dream came crashing down…

Humbug.

brigadierjerry

August 10th, 2012
9:46 pm

With Howard to me out of the equation because he wont forgo losing 20+ million since Lakers have his bird rights and he will more than likely re-sign with them for the same reason Deron Williams re-signed with the Nets. They arent giving up extra money to sign elsewhere.

The question becomes this for Danny Ferry will be does he feel he can completely clear the cupboard completely and rebuild a team by signing free agents better than by him drafting franchise players and surrounding them with good players via draft and free agency.

One thing I will say about doing a traditional rebuild which the Hawks have done in the past:

it takes serious patience from the fanbase and organization…and STILL requires a lot of luck.

OKC would not be close to a contender had Portland picked Durant over Oden.

Indy’s traditional rebuild is stalling now that they’re a playoff team and have to pay guys, as seen by the lateral moves they did this off season just to keep similar level players (I consider the PG flip a downgrade) for cheaper.

Memphis is a good team with no clear way to improve beyond their current standing.

Portland tried a traditional rebuild, stacked assets and couldn’t get fair value for the assets…those same young pieces lost their rookie contracts and became overpaid pieces while Portland just got worse..and these guys WON A DRAFT LOTTERY.

Sacramento has sucked for FAR too long for their rebuild to respected…thought I’ll admit I see a light at the end of their tunnel…but not to anything more than being a decent team.

To succeed in a traditional rebuild you have a small window to turn your tank picks into a core because once their contracts are up, you become handcuffed and have to re-sign these guys. Once they get their second contracts, they automatically lose trade value. This is all assuming that you both get high enough picks and make the right picks. A team can be in the lottery and strike out multiple times and end up screwed. Handing out FA contracts is a scary thing, to steal players you have to overpay typically and that’s assuming their even willing to play for your franchise.

Even at that, you can still end up with a muddle your progress if you make bad selections at GM, coach and scouts…at which point mistakes can be made, players development can (Please Use More Appropriate Word), and bad decisions can throw the team in reverse.

I LOVE the idea of a traditional rebuild, but it’s a huge crapshoot unless you can stockpile lottery picks…not the easiest feat. You have to suffer through one or two AWFUL seasons to get high enough picks or get tremendously lucky…and at the end of the day, you still could end up screwed.

As Najeh stated in the past the Hawks were on the right draft until they drafted Sheldon Williams and Marvin Williams instead of who we all know should’ve been drafted.

Chicago (91-93, 96-98), Houston (94-95), San Antonio (99, 03, 05, 07), Miami (06, depends who you think was the best player, Wade or Shaq), LA (09-10), Dallas (2011)

These teams also had generational type talents on their teams. MJ, Hakeem, Duncan, Wade, Kobe, Dirk. Then there’s LBJ and Durant for now. Those types of players are one of a kind and don’t come along often

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
9:54 pm

“As Najeh stated in the past the Hawks were on the right draft until they drafted Sheldon Williams and Marvin Williams instead of who we all know should’ve been drafted.” bjerry

Hey B, actually Billy Knight got his 1st lottery[#6/2004] pick very wrong when he passed on Andre and Lou for that bust Josh Childless..

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
9:55 pm

[Childress]^^^^^^

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
9:58 pm

Alex Kennedy’s list of available SFs:

SMALL FORWARDS: Carlos Delfino, Josh Howard, Matt Barnes, Alonzo Gee, Mickael Pietrus, Tracy McGrady, Josh Childress, Terrence Williams, Donte Green, Shawne Williams, Damion James, Bobby Simmons, Jason Kapono, Derrick Brown, Jamario Moon, Joey Graham, Damian Wilkins, Rasual Butler, Al Thornton, Adam Morrison, DaJuan Summers, James Singleton

Sautee

August 10th, 2012
10:01 pm

slim, I don’t think you give Horford enough credit. Here’s a look at how Al did in his last full season.

2010-11 Season Rankings For Centers In Order (Top 5) :

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/year/2011/position/centers

Scoring: D12 / Bargnani / BLopez / AJefferson / Horford

Rebounds: D12 / Jefferson / Okafor / Chandler / Horford

FG%: Nene / D12 / Okafor / MGasol / Horford

FT%: Bargnani / Horford / BLopez / Jefferson / Zaza

Assists: Horford / CHayes / Duncan / MGasol / Hibbert

Ast / TO: CHayes / Horford / Duncan / Jefferson / MGasol

DBL / DBL: D12 / Jefferson / Horford / Duncan / Bogut

Steals: D12 / Monroe / Nene / CHayes / MGasol (Horford was 6th)

Blocks: Bogut / JMcGee / D12 / Darko / Bynum (Horford was 17th)

So despite being undersized for his position, Horford was Top 5 in seven of the nine categories, and 6th in another. The only category he was lacking in, was (no surprise here) blocked shots. No other center in the league had as many top 5 stats. What that means is that Horford, despite being undersized, had a helluva regular season. It also means that most folks on this blog fail to realize how all around solid he is in many facets of the game.

Playoffs? He sucked, though I disagree that he was “shut down” when he missed shots that he had hit all year. Going back to the tape, he just shot horribly, whether closely guarded or not. It happened to Dirk in more than one playoff series, not that Al could EVER be a finisher like Dirk. No freakin’ way. But the point is, that I’d like to see him in the playoffs again and judge how much he learned.

I want to see Al back in the paint more often. It was starting to happen when he got hurt. We’ll see just how much he’s affected. But slim, you need to give him a little credit. Most top 5s of any center in the league? C’mon man, give him some props.

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
10:06 pm

“Playoffs? He sucked” -Sautee-

Yep Bingo.. Like Matt Ryan he aint the one Grasshopper..

ryan

August 10th, 2012
10:06 pm

Orlando GM = Scrooge !

Sautee

August 10th, 2012
10:16 pm

slim, if you are a Hawks fan then you should be able to appreciate that kind of season from THE HAWKS CENTER. Most Hawks fans would be proud that their center was among the league leaders in so many categories. I don’t understand how one can say they are a fan, but disparage players of their team who actually did well. Would you rather that Horford was at the bottom of the league in every category?

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
10:21 pm

Read Kobe comments below from Sekou blog. Again I don’t know why teams continue to embarrass themselves when making trades with the Lakers. The Lakers walk away with a steal every time (maybe excluding the Shaq trade).

““We joked around about it a little bit during the summer,” Bryant said. “The consensus was there was no way we could get Dwight and still keep Pau, and they all love Pau for us. So they were like, ‘there is no way you’re going to let Pau go, and therefore you can’t Dwight.’ And I was like, ‘I think we can make that happen.’ We got Pau for virtually nothing [when we traded for him]. History does repeat itself.””

terrell

August 10th, 2012
10:35 pm

Jamario Moon? Wow. Id take a look at a Dleaguer 1st.

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
10:58 pm

“The Lakers walk away with a steal every time (maybe excluding the Shaq trade)”

Why does it look like the “godfather” has his blessing written all over this deal? Hmmm

Anytime you do business with Boston or the Lakers its going to hurt…

Rick James

August 10th, 2012
11:00 pm

He should have signed Gerald Green..Young and cheap.

BIG DOG

August 10th, 2012
11:02 pm

Al THORTON – Danny he makes more sense with the Hawks give you a legit SF who is hungry, also has payed his dues overseas avg. 25 points a game.

Plus he is from Georgia so bring him back home Danny.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

August 10th, 2012
11:07 pm

Teague, Korver, Josh, Horford, Zaza

Devin, Lou, AL Thorton, Ivan, Blatche

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
11:10 pm

Sorry Sautee [one of the expert apologists] on this blog but 44 years of futility is way beyond unacceptable.

This Allstar 5 will not change that streak by any stretch….

Rev is right on this one. That potential trade with his [Al] involvement would have been a spectacular Franchise changing event..Oh well…

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
11:15 pm

From Jeff Schultz on twitter;

Ferry made trade pitch for Dwight but #Magic apprehensive to trade him within SE div..

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
11:17 pm

Slimjr,

If the Hawks had traded Josh Smith for Dwight Howard, would it have been a franchize changing event (in your mind)?

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
11:17 pm

I’m intrigued referencing Blanche playing for the Hawks..

Sautee, I’ll give your buddy of many disguises credit for bringing up that player on this blog..

This dude has so much potential its scary.. Where’s his daddy?

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
11:31 pm

Josh for D12?????????????????

Submit a comment:

Why bother?

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
11:58 pm

Philly gets an Allstar Center for real and a scoring small forward! Do not the Hawks need those two slots filled?

Doug Collins must just be beside himself once he heard this block buster trade went down..Talk about upgrading your team?

Melvin

August 11th, 2012
12:39 am

OB,

Do you still think Broussard lied about the Hawks offering to trade with the Magic?…:-)

Future NBA Champions

August 11th, 2012
12:39 am

Some of yall are just ignorant fools. Josh Smith IS a top 3 pf in the NBA. That’s what I keep trying to explain to people. His offensive game will only get better which is very scary. The Hawks are looking fine. They are a lock-in playoff team this season and their cap flexibility will allow them to make the necessary moves to construct a championship team in 2013. But I always feel like every year is our year cause that’s just the fan in me. And the Falcons are gonna go 14-2, 15-1, or 16-0 and win the superbowl.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 11th, 2012
2:24 am

FTPB

“Najeh, the Magic’s 2009 Finals appearance was an aberration.”

Haha. How come the Hawks don’t have these kind of “aberrations”? You would think we would have had an “aberration” here in Atlanta at some point in the last 50 years.

A Finals appearance is no aberration. That team made the Finals because Dwight Howard is a great f-cking player. Just because he isn’t Hakeem in the post doesn’t mean he isn’t better than anyone who has worn a Hawks uniform in 20 years.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 11th, 2012
2:28 am

“And a guy incapable of being on the floor at the end of late and meaningful games.”

Shaq managed to stay on the floor at the end of late and meaningful games. So does Rondo. Dwight isn’t Shaq, but you’re referring to the same weakness.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 11th, 2012
2:29 am

“As much as people hated Marvin around here, they may be longing for him come Christmas.”

I don’t think anyone would have minded Marvin the past few years if he was a bench player on a non-guaranteed contract, as he should be.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 11th, 2012
2:32 am

“Another SF option (I’m being more serious now) is Jamario Moon. I’m pretty sure that Ferry “discovered” him during his time as the Cavs GM. He would likely take a non-guaranteed contract. I don’t recall him being considered a good defender, though.”

Defense is (was?) his strong suit. He isn’t much of a scorer. I don’t know if he is much of anything at this point but it is worth a shot.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 11th, 2012
2:37 am

“Now they have a bunch of parts that don’t fit, near useless cap space in the future and a wasted season.”

Is it any more wasted than any of the last several seasons with Joe leading the Hawks to first and second round playoff defeats?

Joe’s trade value was going to plummet for the remainder of his contract. Ferry traded him while he still had enough value to get a pick and expiring deals instead of having to absorb bad contracts from other teams. I am disappointed that the Hawks couldn’t get Dwight (thanks to the Magic being dicks according to Jeff Schultz) but the Joe trade had to be made if this team wanted any chance of improving.

And I will also say it is quite likely this team will make the playoffs and lose in the first round just as well in 2013 as they did in 2012.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 11th, 2012
2:44 am

“Again I don’t know why teams continue to embarrass themselves when making trades with the Lakers. ”

I also don’t know why teams insist on trading superstar players just because they say they won’t re-sign. For once, I would like to see a team like Orlando have the balls to keep their superstar player and tell him that if he wants to leave, he’s going to have to take the $30 million pay cut to do so. Is Orlando better off with Afflalo, Harkless, and Harrington this year than Dwight? No. Are they in better position to tank for a high draft pick to get another superstar with Afflalo, Harkless, and Harrington? No.

Superstars run this league. If you have one who wants to leave, your best bet is to let him walk, tank, and draft another one. Acquiring a bunch of middling players and non-lottery picks that will turn into middling players gets you nowhere.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 11th, 2012
2:50 am

Sh-t, even Denver — who pulled off maybe the best superstar trade this league has seen in the last 10 years — hasn’t won a playoff series since Carmelo left, and Carmelo managed to take them to the conference finals.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 11th, 2012
3:07 am

On another note, here is a simple trade that solves the Hawks’ SF problem without hurting financial flexibility.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d9dckff

Hawks get Mike Dunleavy
Bucks get Anthony Morrow

Both players are expiring. The Bucks’ top option at backup SG right now, as far as I can tell, is 2nd round rookie Doron Lamb.

vava74

August 11th, 2012
4:01 am

Najeh,

Major co-signs from me.

vava74

August 11th, 2012
4:04 am

WTF did the Magic accomplish with this cr@p trade?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing beyond improving LAL yet again…

Also, not really sold on PHI’s plan. I think they will struggle this year to make the playoffs, even with Bynum on board since I don’t think he will feel motivated there.

I see Bynum doing a Howard on them and forcing another trade.

Marcus

August 11th, 2012
5:30 am

To comment on another team, HOU screwed themselves. The accumulated all those assets to make a push for D12 trade, and now stuck with a boatload of PF/SFs and contracts with J. Lin and O. Asik with huge back-end payouts in a short couple of years.

I been harping on making some deals with them or waiting them out to see if any of those young wing players shake loose from H-town …. just wait it out.

Fundamentals

August 11th, 2012
8:08 am

We should pick up 2 that shake loose.

KevinM

August 11th, 2012
8:48 am

Something has to give in Philly. Hawes didn’t sign to be a backup, but they have a very good young team:
Bynum / Young / Turner / Holliday / Wright

Thorn has done another excellent job like he did in Jersey. He made it look easy and Bynum becomes the superstar big man in the East. It looks good at least for this year for Philly. I think they will miss Lou though.

KevinM

August 11th, 2012
8:50 am

Thorn moved Iggy and a protected pick for Bynum.

Your move Danny….top that!