Atlanta Hawks: Can Harris-Teague in Atlanta work like Harris-Terry in Dallas?

Good together? (Photo by Getty Images)

Good together? (Photo by Getty Images)

Devin Harris is asked how he will fit on a team that already has Jeff Teague and lets out a chuckle before the question is even finished.

Apparently, he’s heard this one a few times before.

“They’ve been talking a lot about playing us together,” Harris said. “That’s something I’m accustomed to doing. I played with Jason Terry in Dallas with a small backcourt. We played a similar type way, getting up and down the floor. I think it can work out the same way [with Teague]. Obviously he’s one of the few remaining guys on the team that knows the system and knows it well. I think if we play together it can be a good tandem.”

The Hawks can only hope Teague-Harris works out the same way as Harris-Terry. In 2006-07, their one full year starting together, both Harris and Terry had strong seasons as Dallas won 67 games and scored 111.3 points per 100 possessions (second in the league).

According to Basketball-Reference, in 2006-07 Dallas used nine lineups in which Harris and Terry shared the backcourt for at least 20 minutes. The Mavericks were +380 with those lineups.

(Those nine lineups, by the way, played at a plodding pace of 88.4. That probably has a lot to do with Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard gobbling up a big chunk of the possessions.)

Harris had the most efficient scoring season of his career in 2006-07 with a true shooting percentage of 57.4. He averaged 14.6 points per 36 minutes with a usage percentage of 19.1.

Terry’s 58.7 true shooting percentage in 2006-07 is the second-best mark of his career. He averaged 17.1 points per 36 minutes with a usage percentage of 21.3.

Harris said he and Terry had no issues about who handled the ball.

“Whoever gets it pretty much goes and runs the break and the other guy sprints,” Harris said. “We didn’t worry too much about who brought the ball up. If it was halfcourt sets, usually I brought the ball up he’s the better shooter of us two.”

Evaluating defenders depends heavily on a team context, but Harris and Terry worked as a defensive tandem for the Mavs in 2006-07.

Harris was a defensive ace back then and the numbers show it. The Mavs allowed 8.6 points fewer points per 100 possessions with Harris on the floor and his opponent PER was 13.3.

Dallas allowed 1.9 points more per possession with Terry on the court in 2006-07. His opponent PER was 14.5 as the shooting guard, presumably because he cross-matched with Harris actually guarding twos, and 16.9 as the point guard.

The best available evidence suggests the small backcourt of Harris and Terry worked quite well for the Mavericks in 2006-07. That doesn’t mean Harris-Teague will work for the Hawks, of course, and there are reasons to be skeptical that those two will enjoy the same comfortable fit.

For one, Harris and Terry complemented each other–Harris was the relentless attacker, Terry was the sharpshooter–whereas Harris and Teague both want to get to the basket off the dribble.

In 2006-07, Harris tried 5.17 shot attempts at the rim per 36 minutes (51 percent of his attempts) and made 61 percent. By contrast, 32 percent of Terry’s field-goal attempts (343) that year were long 2s with a shooting percentage of 49, and 35 percent of Terry’s shots were 3-pointers with a true shooting percentage of 65.7.

Also, Harris isn’t the same player as he was during his Dallas days. He doesn’t go to the rim as often. His percentage of shot attempts at the rim each season since 2006-07: 42, 39, 34, 36, and 25. There’s also been a declining trend in Harris’ shooting percentage at the rim, from pretty good to poor (though he continues to be a foul magnet).

There are a couple exceptions to Harris’ dwindling numbers. He shot a career-high 37.4 percent on 3-pointers last season while attempting them at a higher rate than ever (206 in 1,689 minutes) and he shot 65 percent at the rim. Both numbers are outliers season for his career but, in regards to the 3-point shooting, it’s worth noting that Harris was more of a spot-up shooter last season.

A career-high 87 percent of Harris’ 3-pointers in 2011-12 were assisted. In addition, spot-ups were Harris’ most frequent play type in the halfcourt last season, according to Synergy Sports Technology, and his 1.09 points per possession ranked 45th in the league.

So maybe Harris can get those same spot-up opportunities this season and make them at a high clip and Teague also can have another good year spotting up for 3-pointers. And it’s possible Teague and Harris can set each other up for drives to the basket, with space created by the shooters the Hawks can put on the wing. Certainly Josh Smith and Al Horford in the post can feed either guard for spot-ups or, if defenders close hard, show-and-gos.

Or perhaps Teague and Harris can make all of that not matter so much because they push a breakneck pace (with big men who can keep up) and are disruptive enough on defense to mask their relative lack of size.

“Obviously with the shooting [Danny Ferry's] added that’s going to open up the paint for me, which is something I like to do is get in the paint and cause havoc,” Harris said. “Defensively, [we will be] getting after it and changing defenses. It’s going to be a fun way to play. I’m really looking forward to it.”

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lewis

August 9th, 2012
9:37 am

joe

August 9th, 2012
9:49 am

HAWKSORDIE

August 9th, 2012
9:52 am

niceeeee. …I’m all for it ..whatever the chemistry allows to mesh 100%…go hawks

joe

August 9th, 2012
9:54 am

I’m off to get my anus bleached….

ctrim

August 9th, 2012
10:00 am

Very excited about the upcoming season – Al is an all star center/Josh will be an all star forward/ Teague’s continued development/ flexability to tweak this team to make it better.

Point-forward

August 9th, 2012
10:01 am

Our backcourt will be small and crazy fast similar to the Jennings-Ellis combo in Milwaukee.

Astro Joe

August 9th, 2012
10:01 am

We’re definitely seeing teams play two small guards together more often. But to the point MC made, it usually includes one penetrator and one shooter. Undoubtedly, having Harris, Teague and Lou play together (a combo of 2 of them) will produce mixed results depending on the match-up. It is a one-year experiment as there seems very little likelihood that Ferry would look to maintain that tandem beyond a single season. In fact, the ‘12-13 season is essentially an audition for the majority of the roster.

Adam

August 9th, 2012
10:06 am

111.3 points per possession??? That’s incredible….and it was second in the league? That’s unbelievable!!!

i_am_soulstar

August 9th, 2012
10:07 am

Interested to see those 2 together. Interested to see Lou coming off the bench too.

Rick

August 9th, 2012
10:20 am

Thanks for some updates I am itching to get as much info on the Hawks! I like the idea of this team running this year getting up and down the floor and cranking out 3’s! It reminds me of how Orlando has played for years; we dont have that big man in the middle, but we do have big time shooters who can knock it down!

Jay Dubu

August 9th, 2012
10:30 am

LD has his work cut out for him this upcoming season, and we’ll get to see how good of a coach he is…or isn’t.

glw

August 9th, 2012
10:45 am

I think the biggest part of that question is not so much how well they play together, but how they share the point guard duties. With Lou Williams, Morrow and Jenkins, will Harris and Teague play a lot of minutes together? I definitley think Teague will start, but if Harris is effective like he was in New Jersey, I can see him taking a few extra minutes from Teague at pg, and then getting a handful of minutes at 2 guard.

I think Teague will end up getting 30-32 as the point with Harris getting the rest of them. And Harris maybe gets a 5 or 6 minutes a game at the 2 spot.

pointguardslim

August 9th, 2012
10:45 am

Who’s your Dirk? Josh or Al smh

Ken Strickland

August 9th, 2012
10:49 am

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1290273-nba-rumors-atlanta-hawks-should-keep-their-distance-from-dwight-howard

This is what I’ve been saying all along. There are better options in FA than Howard for the Hawks.

Hoops

August 9th, 2012
11:01 am

This combo will work fine as long as they want to work together. I see Teague/Harris at the point, Harris/Williams/Stevenson at the 2, Morrow/Korver/Smith at the 3. That is great depth on the perimeter for the Hawks.

I expect the Hawks to add Ivan Johnson and Benson to the team in the near future. It will be interesting to see if there is a trade for a SF in the works after September 11.

Point-forward

August 9th, 2012
11:01 am

@Ken Strictland: oh yeah? Like who? Please Give me one FA right now that is better than Howard. And posting BR links doesn’t help your credibility either. Defend yourself.

glw

August 9th, 2012
11:02 am

@Ken Strickland

Nice article and yes the points made about pairing Dwight with Al and Josh next year could create chemistry problems. And I feel Dwight would work better with Al than Josh, but Dwight who is a longshot anyway definitely wouldlnt if Josh wasnt here. But the bottom line is Dwight is a superstar, Top 5 player and this is a superstar driven league, so if you have a chance to get one, you roll the dice and let the other chips fall where they may.

Point-forward

August 9th, 2012
11:03 am

I can see Benson actually making the roster this time around. With the way he performed on SL. As long as he keeps it up through Vet Camp, then I think he is in good shape to make it.

Kunta Kinte Manning

August 9th, 2012
11:09 am

If the Hawks can run and shoot and hit there threes at the rate that this team is now capable of, then the hawks may very well surprise a lot of people and win 60 games this year. I mean, most of the roster can step out and hit three’s, including Josh Smith…..We have Morrow, Jenkins, Korver, Lou Williams, Teague, Harris, Josh Smith…I can’t remember the last time I saw an NBA team with this many shooters….sure Josh Smith is not the best 3 point shooter in the world, but as we all know, he has had games where he’s made multiple 3 pointers…If LARRY DREW is a LEGITIMATE coach and not a FRAUD…then this team can definitely be in the top 3 of the Eastern Conference this year, and could very well be a serious contender for a shot at the NBA title.

moboman

August 9th, 2012
11:26 am

give em horford, but only if Dwight extends his contract.

Crispy McBiscuit

August 9th, 2012
11:32 am

THE CORE: ( The Foundation of the team )

C – Pauchulia
PF – Horford
SF – Smith
SG – Harris
PG – Teague

THE WINGS : ( The energy guys and shooters that make the team fly )

C – Petro
PF – Johnson
SF – Korver
SG – Morrow
PG – Lou Williams

THE FEET: ( The helpers and workers who keep the team going and afloat in time of need)

C – Benson ( He will make the team )
PF – Jordan Williams
SF – Stevenson
SG – Jenkins
PG – Janero Pargo ( Would Be Great if they signed him again )

I THINK THAT THESE GROUP OF GUYS FORM ONE REALLY STRONG AND RESPECTABLE ” HAWK “.

Crispy McBiscuit

August 9th, 2012
11:34 am

THE CORE: ( The Foundation of the team )

C – Pauchulia
PF – Horford
SF – Smith
SG – Harris
PG – Teague

THE WINGS : ( The energy guys and shooters that make the team fly )

C – Petro
PF – Johnson
SF – Korver
SG – Morrow
PG – Lou Williams

THE FEET: ( The helpers and workers who keep the team going and afloat in time of need)

C – Benson ( He will make the team )
PF – Jordan Williams
SF – Stevenson
SG – Jenkins
PG – Janero Pargo ( Would Be Great if they signed him again )

I THINK THAT THESE GROUP OF GUYS FORM ONE REALLY STRONG AND RESPECTABLE ” HAWK “.

“THE SPIRIT IS IN THE AIR AND THE PRESENCE IS ON THE GROUND” ~ circa 1989 Atlanta Hawks promo song.

moboman

August 9th, 2012
11:37 am

Last post to Kinte wasnt mine. Have enough cojones to use your own handle if you want to make comments.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 9th, 2012
11:40 am

I am still expecting Harris to be dealt at or before the trade deadline. But watching him, Teague, and Lou push the pace until then should be fun.

giw

August 9th, 2012
11:40 am

I am sorry for being gay…eventhough I am really very gay, I shouldn’t be posting my business online and pretending to be other people in forums….I am the troll…..sorry again I’m gone.

glw

August 9th, 2012
11:47 am

damn troll, when you steal my name at least get all the letters right, its glw not giw

moboman

August 9th, 2012
11:52 am

MC — is there no way to filter these jerks?

Echevarria

August 9th, 2012
11:53 am

I really like the build of this team. We are built to play an inside-out game. The roster, as currently constructed, will give us the true litmus test as to whether Josh Smith can stay at the basket or if he is going to insist on sitting on the wing. Honestly, if we see him still patrolling the wing with all the wing talent we’ve added, I think THAT should be the sign to trade him. I want to keep Smith and give him a full extension if he can prove himself in this, his contract year. He’s been proving himself, but that was with the old roster. Can he show maturity and be flexible to a REAL NBA situation where you get thrust into a new situation with new team mates?

Echevarria

August 9th, 2012
11:58 am

Also, the Teague – Harris combo, that will work fantastically! You’ve seen how hard it is for a lot of PG’s to guard Teague on the wing. He ROUTINELY gets to the basket. It cannot hurt to have another one of the hardest guys in the league to guard with the ball in his hands: Devin Harris. For a long time Harris was widely regarded as the fastest guy in the league from baseline to baseline at somewhere in the 8 second range? I know he’s slowed a bit since then, but only by a little bit.

Another reason I think Harris and Teague need to play together on the 1st unit, Lou Williams needs to play the PG for the second unit with Jenkins. Jenkins is going to need to adjust to the NBA. The best way for that to happen is to be playing beside a guard who is going to require help. Lou Williams, arguably one of the BEST shot creators in the NBA along with Terry, Crawford, and Jennings, will make Jenkins’ man help off of him and that will open Jenkins up on the wing. Also, whenever the ball is in motion the first guy to defend on the wing will be the veteran-mega-scorer, Williams, which will leave the rookie wide open to get his development in during this season, Jenkins.

WeBurn

August 9th, 2012
12:01 pm

I hope it works, but I am skeptical.

1. Teague is not on the level that Jason Terry was in 2006.

2. Harris is not on the level that Harris was in 2006.

3. No Dirk on this team

4. Lou Williams is going to need/get minutes.

Ray

August 9th, 2012
12:02 pm

Wow I’ve been gone quite some time and it seems like people have had to change name handles because of a few trolls.

NekiEcko

August 9th, 2012
12:16 pm

I think that Harris-Teague would work but this team dont have a Dirk on this team, so it might work and might not work.

But for the D12 situation, I say “Go for it”, sure its a risk but if this risk pays off, this team core is going to be something to be hold and they will match up nicely versus the Heat.

NekiEcko

August 9th, 2012
12:23 pm

@12:20 pm post

That isnt me, and the person who is doing that needs to stop, we want to talk about Hawks basketball not you copycat everybody, you are acting like a 5 year old. So grow up

Sam

August 9th, 2012
12:24 pm

Hopefully we will be able to move Harris in a trade at some point this season and this whole discussion will be pointless…

NekiEcko

August 9th, 2012
12:38 pm

Its best to ignore the troll.

But I was wondering, if Dwight is ever going to be traded to another team, sooner than later yall think?

JT's Hoops Blog

August 9th, 2012
12:50 pm

Seeing Harris and Teague together would be nice because both are quick guards that can push the ball and run the floor; however, I do not see this team making the playoffs.

Ken Strickland

August 9th, 2012
1:04 pm

POINT-FORWARD-This may come as a shock to you and all of the other DHoward fanatics, but he hasn’t led the Magic to the promise land after 8yrs of trying. And there have been 8 champions crowned in those 8yrs without Dwight on their team.

We already have.
1-an All NBA center(AHorford),
2-an AllStar caliber PF(JSmith),
3-a young and developing PG(JTeague),
4-a talented vet PG(DHarris),
5-a top caliber backup OC(ZPachulia)
6-a solid physical backup PF/OC(IJohnson), and a stretch 4(Scott),
7-a SMOY SG/PG candidate(LWilliams),
8-several quality 3pt shooters(Jenkins, Korver, Morrow)
9-a 3rd string center that was more productive than Dampier and Collins combined(Petro),
10-2 former 2nd rd draft picks that can be developed into capable and versatile players(PSy &

With the talent we already have, we can become a NBA championship caliber team by adding the right pieces at SG and SF.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 9th, 2012
1:45 pm

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–lakers–magic-in-blockbuster-four-team-trade-talks-to-send-dwight-howard-to-l-a-.html

Denver and Philadelphia are the other two teams involved.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 9th, 2012
1:47 pm

There are other players involved in these fluid talks, but a framework of the possible deal includes Howard and Denver forward Al Harrington going to the Lakers, Philadelphia guard Andre Iguodala going to the Nuggets, Los Angeles center Andrew Bynum moving to the 76ers, and Los Angeles forward Pau Gasol and Denver guard Arron Affalo going to the Magic, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Doesn’t make a ton of sense from the Nuggets’ perspective, in my opinion. Two of their four best players would be small forwards if this happened.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 9th, 2012
1:49 pm

“This may come as a shock to you and all of the other DHoward fanatics, but he hasn’t led the Magic to the promise land after 8yrs of trying. And there have been 8 champions crowned in those 8yrs without Dwight on their team.”

He has, however, led them to the NBA Finals. You know, that place the Atlanta Hawks have NEVER BEEN IN THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE.

Yes, this team can become a championship contender by adding the right pieces at SG and SF, provided those pieces are of LeBron or Wade’s caliber. Players like that are not just sitting on their ass waiting for Danny Ferry to call them.

glw

August 9th, 2012
1:53 pm

@Najeh

Sounds like more idle Dwight trade talk. Cant see any deal going down with the Lakers giving up both Gasol and Bynum.

Point-forward

August 9th, 2012
1:56 pm

@Ken : the thing is, if there is A chance to get him, then we must exercise all our options to get him. I hate Dwight’s attitude and how he this whole “Dwightmare”. But Im not gonna sit here and deny how much good of a player he is.

Astro Joe

August 9th, 2012
2:04 pm

I think Iggy’s contract expires next summer… sounds like a nice way to shed salary… it never made sense to sign Gallinari, Affaflo and Chandler to long-term deals.

Ken Strickland

August 9th, 2012
2:05 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1290142-nba-trade-rumors-reasons-dwight-howard-could-end-up-on-atlanta-hawks

Here’s a very good article on the possibility of us acquiring Dwight.

POINT-FOWARD-I wouldn’t be at all upset if we signed or successfully traded for Dwight. I want us to become a championship caliber team, and we would definitely become one with him on our roster. My point is, we can also become a championship caliber team without him, as teams that have won the last 8 NBA titles have proven.

Ken Strickland

August 9th, 2012
2:17 pm

NAJEH DAVENPOOP-So, you’re saying that we could become a championship caliber team without Dwight, but only if we sign a LeBron and DWade caliber player at those positions. Tell me, did the Mavericks have a DWade or LeBron caliber SG and/or SF when they defeated the Heat, with Lebron and DWade, to win their NBA title?

I certainly hope our players and coaching staff don’t enter the season with the idea that nothing can be accomplished unless we acquire DHoward, or a player, or players, of DWade and/or Lebron’s caliber.

BIG DOG

August 9th, 2012
2:27 pm

Hawks just need to sit back and wait for 2013.

Hawks will be looking at on 4players sign

Jenkins, Lou, Horford, Teague

21 mill only on the books.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

August 9th, 2012
2:29 pm

Hawks could sign CP3, D12, JOSH in 2013

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

August 9th, 2012
2:34 pm

Hawks 2013 roster could be.

CP3, Lou, Josh, Horford, D12

Teague, Morrow, Korver, Ivan, Zaza

2013 NBA CHAMPIONS.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

gtjason41

August 9th, 2012
2:51 pm

Forget Dwight Howard! He obviously doesn’t want to be here! Let this year play out how it does by not caring about the results.

We need to make 4 moves to become instant title contenders:
1) Sign back Josh Smith at all costs
2) Trade Al Horford for a quality SF (Rudy Gay, Iguadala, Danny Grainger)
3) Sign Al Jefferson to finally get a true center
4) Offer James Harden 4yr/58 mil (restricted free agent, but thunder will not match

This puts our team at:
PG Teague
SG Harden
SF Gay/Iguadala/Grainger
PF Smith
C Jefferson

PG Williams
SG Jenkins
SF Korver
PF Johnson
C Pachulia

2013-2014 NBA Champions!

PEDRO EL GITANO

August 9th, 2012
3:06 pm

Yo creo que traspasar a Teague sería un idea muy buena.

Astro Joe

August 9th, 2012
3:22 pm

Pedro, I agree.

Astro Joe

August 9th, 2012
3:28 pm

Trading Iggy and getting back Bynum feels like a steal to me (from Philly’s viewpoint), especially with Evan Turner sitting there ready to show & prove. Trading Gasol & bynum for D12 & Harrington doesn’t make sense to me… Denver trades Affaflo & Harrinton for Iggy (who has 2 years left on his deal)… spending around $30M on Iggy, Chandler & Gallinari doesn’t seem logical to me. Anyway, starnge trade discussion (IMO).

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

August 9th, 2012
3:41 pm

JT’s Hoops Blog
August 9th, 2012
12:50 pm

Seeing Harris and Teague together would be nice because both are quick guards that can push the ball and run the floor; however, I do not see this team making the playoffs.

We were a 4 seed last year without Horford. This year we will have Horford and a much stronger bench. JJ and his 18ppg is the only subtraction. Marvin doesn’t count. I see us as a 5 or 6 seed.

hawksfancents95

August 9th, 2012
3:45 pm

Id trade AL for Iggy right now. next summer sign josh,iggy and try for harden(cp3 will re-sign in LAC and dwight will be traded before devin harris is able to be moved)
w/iggy and harden
Teague
Harden
Iguadola
Smith
ZaZa

Memphis doesnt need AL as they got zach randolph and Indy doesnt need AL because they got david west, maybe if indy doesnt have a good season they trade granger but i doubt it. iggy seems logical.

Whatever

August 9th, 2012
4:15 pm

Wow, I was actually depending on some true insight from a beat writer who covers the team. All I got was some copy-pasted stats from http://www.BasketballReference.com and a few rehashed quotes.

Buddy Grizzard

August 9th, 2012
4:35 pm

Good stuff MC! And you haven’t even got to Lou yet. Can’t wait for this season to start. We won’t have any idea how good this team can be until we see them play together.

Buddy Grizzard

August 9th, 2012
4:41 pm

“Doesn’t make a ton of sense from the Nuggets’ perspective, in my opinion. Two of their four best players would be small forwards if this happened.”

Doesn’t make much sense from Orlando’s perspective as far as I can tell.

Jo Jo

August 9th, 2012
5:09 pm

MC good post that leads to a lot of speculation. I see other news outlets are reporting Arthur Triche was dismissed after 20+ years of PR for the Hawks. Don’t see it here, what’s up?

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
5:31 pm

Danny Ferry is not playing. He’s filling out LD staff for him. I guess LD is the coach by title.


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pg

August 9th, 2012
5:32 pm

I don’t understand why some of you think Teague is so great? He is okay but he couldn’t start for any of the other 4 playoff team and may not be the best of Teague brothers. I’m not worried about who will start and I hope Ferry isn’t either. I want to see who is the most effective on the court rather then worry about how somebody who is highly paid feels. Don’t rule out Louis Williams in this. I hope like some of you think that this is Teague’s breakout year but lets let him do it first before we anoint him as one of the League’s top PG’s!

Rev in Tampa

August 9th, 2012
5:35 pm

Jo Jo,

MC is reported the Triche dismissal yesterday on Twitter. Today on Twitter he said that coaches Gattison and Hill were also dismissed. I assume MC is writing a larger story about the dismissals and will post it later.

Jo Jo

August 9th, 2012
5:39 pm

tyger

August 9th, 2012
5:45 pm

This roster is fluid, pending Superboy…

Hawks maintaining flexibility until then…
Acquiring cap space/assets that make sense…
Only Lou, Horford, Jenkins signed beyond ‘12-’13…

Harris a keeper, but what price? He’ll want more…
Lou, Morrow, Jenkins – small scorers w handles, range…
Teague gets enough rope to hang himself…

The Terry-Harris model inapplicable b/c Teague cant shoot…
Both rely heavily on speed, which is a declining commodity…
Harris’ mid-range spot-up game…prerequisite for NBA…
Teague does not demand defensive respect…see Boston
Teams will just lay in wait at the hoop…swat!

LD knows what he has in Teague – fast, lil hustle guy…
Rick Sund, his promoter, is gone. Ferry has no allegiance…
Acquired 4 combo guards w/o blinking once…

Harris, Morrow, Lou, Jenkins will command respect…
Open the floor for Smoove, Horford, Pachulia…
And shoot 100% less airballs in crunch time…

Rev in Tampa

August 9th, 2012
6:04 pm

Regarding the Dwight Howard blockbuster deal…

I won’t believe it until it happens. We’ve heard these rumors before and are likely to hear them again. I don’t like a lot of the the national NBA reporters (I dislike Hollinger less than the rest) so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt, but its my opinion that Wojnarowski is reporting crap just to keep himself relevant while all the attention is focused on the Olympics.

Earlier this summer any rumors that Atlanta might miss out on the Dwightstakes would have ruined my day, but now I’m just disinterested.

NekiUno

August 9th, 2012
6:19 pm

I just thinking that Dwight’s Camp stir up the pot again, so teams like the Rockets/Hawks and other will try to get more.

I think that at the end of the day, Dwight didnt want to come here and Orlando wasnt going to trade him here as well. I think right now, the Hawks is so much better off than Magic, its crazy.

anphill2

August 9th, 2012
6:27 pm

The Dwight deal isn’t legit. No way your getting a John Paxson and a 34 Y.O. making 40M over 2 years. Better have 6 #1 Draft picks behind it, and a butterfly yo-yo..

pointguardslim

August 9th, 2012
6:37 pm

Mr. Strickland you’re being obtuse if you are suggesting that Horford or Josh will ever replicate Dirk Nowitzki of 2006.
——–
Ken Strickland – NAJEH DAVENPOOP-So, you’re saying that we could become a championship caliber team without Dwight, but only if we sign a LeBron and DWade caliber player at those positions. Tell me, did the Mavericks have a DWade or LeBron caliber SG and/or SF when they defeated the Heat, with Lebron and DWade, to win their NBA title?

I certainly hope our players and coaching staff don’t enter the season with the idea that nothing can be accomplished unless we acquire DHoward, or a player, or players, of DWade and/or Lebron’s caliber.

pointguardslim

August 9th, 2012
6:47 pm

Also Ken the way you wrote your last post…
“So, you’re saying that we could become a championship caliber team without Dwight, but only if we sign a LeBron and DWade caliber player at those positions.”
“I certainly hope our players and coaching staff don’t enter the season with the idea that nothing can be accomplished unless we acquire DHoward, or a player, or players, of DWade and/or Lebron’s caliber.

Do you actually think this team is championship caliber right now? More power to you. We’re the smallest team in the league and we’ll be lucky to make it to the 2nd round.

Ferry himself deflected comments about making the playoffs.

” As for the short-term, will the Hawks be a playoff team again next season? “I believe,” Ferry said, “that we’ll be competitive.”"- Ferry opportunistic in rebuilding Hawks

Hawks are rebuilding, we might make the playoffs. But the Hawks organization is not expecting to breakthrough the 2nd round or make the NBA Finals or win the title. As Sad as that is. :(

Supreme Grand Poobah

August 9th, 2012
6:56 pm

Since Harris is a better point guard than Teague, shouldn’t Teague be the one we trade?

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

August 9th, 2012
7:32 pm

Harris may be better Poobah but he has problems with injuries.

Astro Joe

August 9th, 2012
7:44 pm

The Atkinson hire is part of the recruitment of Dwight. During a Knicks game, Howard made two consecutive free throws and Atkinson smiled at him. Ever since then, Howard has been a big fan. Expect Ferry to add Dwight’s HS coach to LD’s bench next.

Astro Joe

August 9th, 2012
7:53 pm

Ric Bucher ‏@RicBucher
Source close to Pau Gasol: Spaniard is not in the proposed 4-team deal that would bring DHoward to Lakers.

JaeEvolution

August 9th, 2012
7:56 pm

Try to get Brewer from Denver for Petro.

Nuggets are completely overloaded at SF position, and while they don’t really need a C you can never have too many big men and with Chandler coming back healthy he will take all of Brewers minutes. It also doesn’t hurt them in the long term as Petro is expiring after the season as well.

Pair Al with his old Florida buddy 6′9 long arms, energy defender and an athlete.

KevinM

August 9th, 2012
8:44 pm

I won’t say keeping Al and Josh is a bad thing, but I will say it is a move that probably isn’t strong enough to make us a contender. If the Magic want Horford or Josh, I would give them either one.
So Dwight can’t work with another big man? I don’t believe it. He hasn’t had a quality big man to work with. I would like to see him paired with Al or Josh and show he is capable of accepting help on the inside.
Putting 4 guys who shoot 3s won’t be the answer for D12. He has been to the Finals and probably should have gone at least one other time. But he has to have quality guys around him like any other superstar.
I see Josh and Teague or Al and Teague as a plus and either combo would be beneficial.

If you can get the best big man in the game, you go for it. You don’t let him play elsewhere. It’s that simple.
I take him and his issues in Atlanta any day over what I have seen in this organization since the days of Moses and Reggie. The city was electric when they played here. The Hawks were a tough ticket and would be again if D12 played here.

I was on the Shaq bandwagon to come here, and I applaud any effort Danny Ferry puts in bringing in D12. A big man is hard to come by and a superstar big man is even harder to come by.

Go get him Danny! You have an excellent forward thinking approach instead of the incompetence we’ve watched the past 4 years.

KevinM

August 9th, 2012
8:46 pm

Gasol and Afflalo to the Magic…I’m not buying what the Lakers are selling….ever!

You let LA squirm around in their luxury tax. You never give them anything.

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
9:28 pm

Metta World Peace and Josh McRoberts to Atlanta for Al Horford.

This would be a great trade for the Atlanta Hawks.(Provide M. W. P. does not elbow anyone in the throat again)

This trade works on ESPN trade machine. It’s a win for both organizations.

He's a 44 year Hawk fan ya'll know

August 9th, 2012
9:45 pm

“This may come as a shock to you and all of the other DHoward fanatics, but he hasn’t led the Magic to the promise land after 8yrs of trying. And there have been 8 champions crowned in those 8yrs without Dwight on their team.” -know-it-all-

“He has, however, led them to the NBA Finals. You know, that place the Atlanta Hawks have NEVER BEEN IN THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE.” -Najeh-

Guess know it all don’t know it all?

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
9:46 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9×6smfy

Outstanding trade GM. Get rid of Al’s contract to bring in a more complete player…

He's a 44 year Hawk fan ya'll know

August 9th, 2012
9:50 pm

Submit Comments: After comments put forth by know it all, Why bother.

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
9:53 pm

PG-Teague/Lou Williams
SG-Harris/Jenkins/Morrow
SF-Peace/Stevenson/Korver
PF-Josh/Ivan/Jordan Williams
C-Zsa Zsa/Petro/Benson

brigadierjerry

August 9th, 2012
10:09 pm

Do I have this right?

LA Lakers recieve: Dwight Howard (C) and Al Harrington (F)
Orlando Magic recieve: Pau Gasol (F) and Arron Afflalo (G)
Denver Nuggets recieve: Andre Iguodala (G/F)
Philadelphia 76ers recieve: Andrew Bynum (C)

Orlando looks like a loser

brigadierjerry

August 9th, 2012
10:15 pm

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Source close to talks tells ESPN that trade call with league office has been scheduled for Friday morning to process four-team Dwight deal

brigadierjerry

August 9th, 2012
10:18 pm

Take it for what its worth

Deal is reportedly done.

Lakers receives Dwight.

Orlando receives Affalo, Harkelss, Vucevic, Harrington, picks.

Philly receives Bynum and Richardson

Denver receives Iggy

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
10:26 pm

I still don’t understand why teams continue to send their superstar players to the Lakers and Celtics and they end up with the short end of the stick. I can’t recall any team that traded with one of the those teams and then won a title with the players or picks they acquired. Lakers may end up with Nash and Howard to go along with Pau and Kobe… SMDH

Bruce HawkEye The III

August 9th, 2012
10:33 pm

Lou should start at two before Harris!!!! No brainer!!!!

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
10:33 pm

BREAKING NEWS DWIGHT TO THE LAKERS! FINALLY!

Big Al

August 9th, 2012
10:34 pm

Worked out ok for Miami (Shaq)…

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
10:35 pm

Lou Williams should start at the 2 guard spot.

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
10:36 pm

bjerry Lakers hit a home run!

Hawks? Well there’s always next year and the next and so on………………………………………….

2056

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
10:38 pm

Lakers V. Heat Finals 2012-2013.

brigadierjerry

August 9th, 2012
10:38 pm

If this deal goes down we know the Lakers was already a good team but more importantly as far as the eastern conference goes, the Sixers will be a lot better with Bynum and Richardson. ALso one other point I would like to make is I really dont know how the Lakers do it. They have bullied teams for their best players for years. No team has done what the Lakers have done. Even the Celtics went through a period of futility. I dont get how they do it. How do the other teams bend over backwards for the Lakers.

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
10:39 pm

Lakers will win 70 games next season, EASY. OKC will not beat this team.

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
10:41 pm

Melt throws a pick at the 10yd line..

Yea flame thrower is a good one..Anybody believe this buster is going to a Superbowl should quit smoking “weed” yesterday…..Sheesh…

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
10:42 pm

We cannot cry over what the Lakers are doing. I wish them well. The IDIOT Hawks gave them Pau Gasol for Shareef Abdur Rahim.(GREAT MOVE HAWKS)

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
10:43 pm

Big Al,

You are correct. The Heat did won the Champioship with Shaq…

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
10:44 pm

Nash, Kobe, Artest, Pau and Howard is almost like an All Star team….

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
10:44 pm

Its a wrap, Lakers in 6…

Can the Hawks get to a dam ECF in our lifetime?????????????????????????????????

brigadierjerry

August 9th, 2012
10:49 pm

OKC still better. If Kobe and Nash were at least 3 years younger, Id be shook. But…theyre not. Westbrook gonna torch Nash and Ibaka owns Gasol. Kobe cant take over games like he used to. Dwights back is stil a huge question mark. LA has lots of question marks.
OKC HAS to be willing to pay the luxury tax and sign Harden and Ibaka now. That’s the only way they can compete with LAL for the next 3+ years

One thing with La is that they have a lot of age and Kobe’s game has slowed down a lot and injury and health will be a concern with them.. East as far as conference is going to be very interesting. As I see it now, this move probably elevates Philly between a 4-6 seed. Will be a very competitive east this coming season

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
10:51 pm

” The IDIOT Hawks gave them Pau Gasol for Shareef Abdur Rahim.(GREAT MOVE HAWKS)”

The Legend, the self described “Basketball Expert” himself no other than the Great Billy Knight!

Yea right…….

Big Al

August 9th, 2012
10:51 pm

Somehow I dont see the Magic winning anytime soon though. You’re point is still well taken, Melvin.

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
10:51 pm

The Los Angelas Lakers are “now”the best team in the National Basketball Association(imo)

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
10:52 pm

brigadierjerry,

Remember Howard will be a free agent at the end of the season. There may be a possibility that he leaves the Lakers next season.

steven a smith

August 9th, 2012
10:54 pm

My “sources” tell me that the Lakers have assurances that Dwight Howard will extend with the LA Lakers.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 9th, 2012
10:54 pm

“Tell me, did the Mavericks have a DWade or LeBron caliber SG and/or SF when they defeated the Heat, with Lebron and DWade, to win their NBA title?”

Uh… they had a future Hall of Fame power forward who is one of the top five shooters of all time. Who do the Hawks have that is a future Hall of fame anything who is a top five anything of all time?

brigadierjerry

August 9th, 2012
10:56 pm

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
ESPN source says Dwight definitely NOT doing extension with Lakers. Will test drive Lakerland for season and go to free agency in July 2013

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
10:58 pm

I can help but think that the Magic had the most desirable player in the deal which allow the other three team to improve more than them…. SMH…

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
10:58 pm

This Eastern Conference is improving everywhere…

Big Al is going to have to give em at least 20 and 10 every night. AllStar? Hmmmm

brigadierjerry

August 9th, 2012
10:58 pm

Denver is the secret winner here..

PG: Lawson/Miller
SG: Iguodala/Brewer
SF: Gallo/Wilson
PF: Faried/Randolph
C: McGee/Mozgov

sleeper team..

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
11:01 pm

Slimjr,

I think Billy Knight was the GM for Memphis when he traded Rahim to the Hawks for the draft rights to Gasol

Najeh Davenpoop

August 9th, 2012
11:01 pm

If I was the Magic, I’d rather keep Dwight and let him walk in the summer than do this deal. Don’t see how Afflalo, Vucevic, and some picks in the 20s do anything to improve them. Better off keeping Dwight and the gate receipts this year from having him on the team and dump the other salaries next summer after he walks.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 9th, 2012
11:02 pm

Great trade for the Lakers and Sixers, lateral move for the Nuggets, stupid move for the Magic.

Al Horford + 2 first rounders > the Afflalo/Vucevic package.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 9th, 2012
11:08 pm

Let’s be real, though — Dwight is going to re-sign with the Lakers. He’ll talk about testing free agency, but money talks, and the Lakers can offer more. This is why the Hawks should have pulled the trigger on trading for him even without an extension.

Ken Strickland

August 9th, 2012
11:10 pm

POINTGUARDISM-No, I don’t think the Hawks are a championship caliber with their current roster, and I’ve never said or implied as much. I did say we could become one without Dwight if we added a quality SG and SF. I don’t know how you figure our lack of superior height will prevent us from making it to or past the 2nd rd.

I know Miami Heat fans are glad their team’s lack of height didn’t get in the way of them winning this yrs NBA title. The average height of their 14 man roster was 6′ 5.89″ to our current rosters 6′ 5.59″. If you think the .030″ difference is any kind of difference maker as far as height goes, then MORE POWER TO YOU.

Rod from College Park

August 9th, 2012
11:11 pm

So we don’t get Howard, and Philly adds Bynum. Lose, lose for the Hawks. Teague and Horford plus picks is a better offer than Orlando recv’d. Guess they did not want to trade in the division, or they don’t value Horford as much as some do.

Magic GM

August 9th, 2012
11:16 pm

So guys instead of getting quality players of Brook Lopez, Kris Humphries, and Marshon Brooks, I decided to make the Lakers once again a dominant team and took on the all star talents of Aaron Aflalo and Al Harrington! :)

This was absolutely stupid of Orlando! This makes what the Hawks got in return for Joe look like a steal!

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
11:21 pm

brigadierjerry

August 9th, 2012
10:56 pm

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
“ESPN source says Dwight definitely NOT doing extension with Lakers. Will test drive Lakerland for season and go to free agency in July 2013″

Good! Danny and his boys still have a shot at him next go round…

Bill

August 9th, 2012
11:23 pm

Why did the Dan Roundfield thread have to be shut down? To talk about the current Hawks? Ladies and Gentlemen, we’ve gone from the penthouse to the outhouse.

kwooden

August 9th, 2012
11:23 pm

Rod, Orlando would have just been stupid to trade in the division, which is why I didn’t think we would get Dwight in a trade. (if though that is all I’ve hoped for since JJ’s been traded) Orlando is trying the really bad to really good model, by getting a lot of first round picks to add to their next seasons lottery pick. Ferry didn’t go all in and now will have a lot of cap space and few takers! I just hope that we can get a serviceable SF in here before training camp. I won’t be able take an entire season of bad defense and a lot 3’s.

GO HAWKS!!

soullrenaissance

August 9th, 2012
11:28 pm

Highway robbery or in LA’s case “freeway” robbery.

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
11:30 pm

Orlando is screwed….

soullrenaissance

August 9th, 2012
11:32 pm

Slimjr – they must have wanted it that way! Dumb trade.

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
11:33 pm

Did the Fal-cons get crushed by another “winner” Tonight again?

Preseason your azz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
11:33 pm

The Magic fired Otis Smith and this is what the new GM does…. SMH

soullrenaissance

August 9th, 2012
11:35 pm

Yes, I am a little on the sourgrapes side. I know it was a long shot Orlando would trade him in the division but I was still holding out hope we could pull it off and snag his Bird-rights. Well, we have a long shot chance next off-season but I won’t hold my breath.

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
11:39 pm

Chris Broussard just said on ESPN that the Hawks was one of the teams who offer was better than what the Magic agreed to….

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
11:40 pm

“I think Billy Knight was the GM for Memphis when he traded Rahim to the Hawks for the draft rights to Gasol”

How did that turn out for him?

Well at least he got the Hawks job and continued the Hawks tradition of ZERO ECF appearances….He was consistent in that regard for sure…

Ravens 31
Fal-cons 17

Falcons ou

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
11:41 pm

Falcons scored 31-3! Just dam

Preseason your azzzzzzzzzzzzz

Slimjr

August 9th, 2012
11:43 pm

[out] scored ^^^^^^^^

Hawks Fan

August 9th, 2012
11:45 pm

Dwight Howard traded to the Lakers breaking news per ESPN.

soullrenaissance

August 9th, 2012
11:47 pm

Slimjr – Redman sux – man. Lighten up. If Ryan looked that bad with the starters then yeah, you’d have a point. Wait…Ryan did look that bad against New York in the first round last season – no offensive scores all game.

Melvin

August 9th, 2012
11:59 pm

Time for the Hawks to sign Greg Oden and Blatche. I doubt if Howard leaves LAL after this season.

Rod from College Park

August 10th, 2012
12:01 am

The Lakers, one of the best franchises in the NBA do everything they can to get Dwight Howard, including getting rid of the second best center in the league, but some of these idiot Hawks fans, (some of the same guys who thought Marvin Williams was a good basketball player) continue to make post about Dwight Howard’s attitude, and how is is we don’t need that in Atlanta. No wonder this is loserville. The Lakers don’t seem to be worried about his attitude. LOL

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
12:02 am

Orlando has officially become irrelevant again…

soullrenaissance

August 10th, 2012
12:14 am

Right on Rod from CP!!! That same mentality got rid of D. Justice, Deion, Sheffield and kept us from getting the likes of TO and Moss to play with Vick when they wanted to be here…Just come out and say you dont want no high-falootin, uppity thug atheletes stirring up the good N-words in this town…LA goes for top-flight talent. ATL wants wholesome guys who keep their mouths shut. There aint no choir boys out there, Eugene Robinson proved that. WE NEED STARS daggit.

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:14 am

Soul, they did what?

Never seen a playoff offensive squad get shutout and by a 27th ranked defense no less?

He aint the one…

same ole crap coming up..

Stay tuned…

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
12:15 am

The Orlando Magic has officially become the Lakers minor league/farm team after sending them around franchise center….

Ra'mon

August 10th, 2012
12:17 am

There’s no way this deal was better than what Atlanta or what Houston was offering Orlando. Hennigan will be the new villain in Orlando. You have the best big man in the league. And all you get is Affalo, Harrington, a bench player, and 3 picks that will never be higher than #19?

soullrenaissance

August 10th, 2012
12:24 am

Yeah Slimjr – I had to check myself on that – I cannot defend this dude. Imagine if Vick played so poorly in the playoffs here! Imagine if Ryan beat Favre and Greenbay in the snowy Greenbay in the playoffs. He would be worshipped here forever – period. Ryan better show out this year or Blank may begin looking else where.

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:29 am

Rod; its apparent that some [Atlanta Sports Fans] bar are set so low after following their respective team failures over the years…

They have become expert apologist and attack others who do not drink the Cool-Aid..

But it is their right to stay stuck “in the mud” for decades…

The scroll key works wonders…

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
12:39 am

“That same mentality got rid of D. Justice, Deion, Sheffield and kept us from getting the likes of TO and Moss to play with Vick when they wanted to be here…Just come out and say you dont want no high-falootin, uppity thug atheletes stirring up the good N-words in this town…LA goes for top-flight talent. ATL wants wholesome guys who keep their mouths shut. There aint no choir boys out there, Eugene Robinson proved that. WE NEED STARS daggit.”

I’m sure at some point, someone will respond to this by saying “well, the Magic have had Penny, Shaq, T-Mac, Dwight, and they haven’t won a title”. I’d still rather have had the Magic’s last 20 years than the Hawks’ last 20 years, by far, even with this joke of a Dwight trade. Damn right we need stars.

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:44 am

soul: I heard Mr Blank was willing to trade Ryan and the kitchen sink to Denver for Payton..

Cause he knows this guy is a bust… 4-10 against the winners, 0-3 in the playoffs..

If they beat 3 or 4 winners this year, it will be historic….LOL!

[Joe Flaco],Ravens QB= 5 playoff wins and counting. Matt has how many? Hmmmmm

Mr Blank should ask Melt for a refund.. He paid almost twice as from much for his flame thrower…

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
12:44 am

Just how ludicrous does the Rick Sund-era “we like our core” sh-t look now? The Lakers have completed dismantling and rebuilding around a core that just won a title three years ago. No hesitation to trade their most prized young player. No hesitation to go $20 million plus over the new, punitive luxury tax. Meanwhile the Hawks pre-Ferry were content to stick with Joe, Josh, and Al spinning their wheels in the mud.

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:48 am

delete[from] ^^^^^^^^

pointguardslim

August 10th, 2012
1:22 am

“No, I don’t think the Hawks are a championship caliber with their current roster, and I’ve never said or implied as much.”
Actually you implied that if we aren’t expecting to win a title its equal to not accomplishing anything.
“I did say we could become one without Dwight if we added a quality SG and SF.”

“I don’t know how you figure our lack of superior height will prevent us from making it to or past the 2nd rd.”
Well our goal is not the 2nd round anymore.

“I know Miami Heat fans are glad their team’s lack of height…”
And again we visit the Lebron James conundrum…
There 6′8 260 LB PG, SG,SF,PF. Not to mention Dwyane Wade.

The Heat don’t have a “quality SF or quality SG” They have Hall of Famers at SG and SF.

Do you have actual names that could make us champ caliber?
“quality SG or SF”. I know Harden is out there and is a quality SG. With IMPENDING Free Agency.

But I have a feeling you’re ready to start throwing out names at SF that teams won’t want to trade for and/or won’t make us contenders.

Ie Iguodala is quality, but he seems redundant and near incompatible with Josh Smith in the halfcourt.
Another quality guy is Gallinari, problem being how will you get him? You can’t.
Maybe the draft is what you mean? Hawks should draft a quality SF.
Sometimes statements like “we just need quality SF ” is pointless. Everyone “needs something” but few can get them and thats why so few teams win the title. Easier said than done

pointguardslim

August 10th, 2012
1:27 am

Get vet min Andray Blatche.

Ra'mon

August 10th, 2012
2:26 am

Guys, now that Dwight has been dealt, I’ll be surprised if the Hawks doesn’t make another trade before the season starts.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

August 10th, 2012
4:25 am

Blatche is a better option than Benson

Blatche is a better option than Petro

Blatche is a better option than Jordan Williams

brigadierjerry

August 10th, 2012
6:26 am

It will be interesting what the next Hawks moves are assuming Dwight signs elsewhere as well as Bynum.

Orlando is doing what OKC did in the past before getting better but the Nets package was much better or even Houston for that matter.

I hope Hawks do not try and trade Smith for Gasol.

Hawks will have to get secondary free agents if Dwight and Bynum sign elsewhere

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
8:43 am

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
ESPN source says Dwight definitely NOT doing extension with Lakers. Will test drive Lakerland for season and go to free agency in July 2013

For some strange reason, I STILL see Dwight choosing Atlanta over the Lakers or any other team IF he decides to become a free agent after next season. Yea, having teammates named Kobe, Nash, MWP, and Pau on your team sounds like peaches n cream BUT will those SAME names be effective 3-5 years from now?? THEY ARE AND WILL BE VERY VERY OLD AND PLAYING LIKE TMAC 3-5 YEARS FROM NOW. That is what Dwight will be looking at IF he stays there long term. Yea, The Lakers WILL have his Bird Rights’, well so did Cleveland who had LeBrons’ but he STILL close Miami cause guess what, HE KNEW HE COULD MAKE THAT MONEY UP WITH ENDORSEMENTS!! Dwight has the same opportunity as well. There are his current endorsements with Adidas and Sprite (I think), plus movie roles that Tyler Perry and others here in the ATL can offer him. And after reading some of those articles where it states we are the dark horse team who could land Dwight, I still see a strong possibility he comes to us. Our new found ‘core’ guys are and WILL be MUCH MUCH younger than the Lakers ‘core’ guys.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
9:04 am

MsDee . . . it’s over. Don’t torment yourself like that.

The only reason why Dwight will not sign an extension with LA, is the same reason why JJ didn’t sign an extension with us back in 2009. When you go to free agency, you can get that extra 20+ million from the team that owns your Bird Rights. It would be stupid for either Dwight or Bynum to sign an extension right now, no matter how much these teams want them to sign one. You wait until the end of the season, then re-sign with the team you’re on.

LA > ATL in every way, shape, and form.

It’s over. Time to move on.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
9:12 am

I dont think its that all ‘cut and dry’ northcyde cause if thats the case, why did the Lakers fold on the 1st try in trading for Dwight months ago??

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
9:15 am

And these are the Lakers we’re talking about here/ Even after Kobe and Nash get “old”, all they’ll do is re-load. They’ll trade Gasol after this season to a team looking to shed salary ( and be willing to give up their star player to do it ). Think Memphis trading Rudy Gay or Zach Randolph to LA for Gasol.

Then once Kobe’s contract is up, he’ll either re-sign for a modest amount ( 2 more years at 10+ mill a year ) . . or the Lakers will let him go altogether ( along with Nash ), and clear up enough cap space to make a run at a player that wants to play for the Lakers. ( And there are ALWAYS player who want to play for the Lakers *** cough *** Kevin Love *** cough ***

So 3 years from now, the new “Big 3″ in LA could very easily be Howard – Love – Gay.

That’s how they do things out there. That’s why they’ve only missed the playoffs 5 times in their 64 year history. They’re not scared to make franchise changing moves. And they’re not scared off by Luxury Tax penalties. And because of that, they’ll always be able to prey on NBA teams who aren’t willing to go all out like they do.

It is what it is.

Rufus1

August 10th, 2012
9:19 am

TURD in the Bowl….

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
9:20 am

The Lakers didn’t “fold”. It was Orlando who didn’t want to do the deal. It’s always been Orlando’s call on this. They obviously wanted to get younger, accumulate draft picks, and shed salary.

Meanwhile, the Lakers were always willing to trade either Bynum or Gasol to get Howard. That’s just their mentality.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
9:22 am

Also, why all these sports correspondents and announcers & etc consistently states that he will not sign extension IF its a VERY HIGHLY CHANCE he WILL stay with the Lakers?? And to compare JJ situation with Dwight is crazy. 1st of all, JJ WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO MAKE THE MONEY DWIGHT WILL EVER MAKE SO IT WAS UNDERSTANDABLE FOR JOE TO DO WHAT HE DID BUT DWIGHT HAS MANY OTHER OPTIONS IN MAKING MONEY THAN JOE WOULD EVER SEE!!

“LA > ATL in every way, shape, and form.”

Yea for now but like I said, “THEY ARE AND WILL BE VERY VERY OLD AND PLAYING LIKE TMAC 3-5 YEARS FROM NOW. While our new found ‘core’ guys are and WILL be MUCH MUCH younger than the Lakers ‘core’ guys.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
9:24 am

Now the attention turns to Josh Smith. What does HE do at the end of the season? Or more important, what is Ferry willing to do to keep him here?

I’ve said all along that Smith is going to get a MAX contract from somebody. The only question left is if the Hawks are willing to pay Smith more than what he’ll make somewhere else? Then the question will be, should they even do it?

Rev in Tampa

August 10th, 2012
9:28 am

“For some strange reason, I STILL see Dwight choosing Atlanta over the Lakers or any other team IF he decides to become a free agent after next season.”

MsDee, don’t pay any mind to Northcyde. He’s just crabby, like the rest of us, that Dwight is going to the Lakers instead of the Hawks.

I still say that I would like to have been a fly on the wall for Danny Ferry’s post-season lunch with Josh Smith. For some reason Josh did a complete 180 in his attitude toward the Hawks.

EmirS.

August 10th, 2012
9:28 am

From the looks off it…..the Magic didn’t get anything they were after. SO why do this trade? I have not read into it, but Philly got Bynum and the Nuggets got Igoudala and the Magic we’re unable to land either one of them??

Talk about getting screwed over.

Does anyone think Philly got better or did they take a step down? When they lost Louis WIlliams, I figured it wasn’t a big deal…but now they lost Igoudala but gained Bynum. It’s kinda hard to judge….

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
9:32 am

MsDee . . here’s another question. When has any report ever surfaced about Dwight Howard WANTING to come to Atlanta to play?

You’re not going to find one. He never wanted to come here.

Stephen A Smith supposedly was with Dwight when news came down that he was going to be traded to the Lakers. Stephen A said he was “estatic”. That’s a pretty good indication that he’ll probably re-sign with the Lakers. And when all of the endorsements and movie and TV opportunities start coming his way, that will be all the more reason he’ll stay in LA.

It’s over. Time to let it go.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
9:36 am

LOL @ Rev. I’ve never believed for one second that the Hawks would get Dwight, because he’s never said that he wanted to come here and play.

I said before the start of the 2011 season, that the Hawks should’ve traded 2 of their core members ( no matter who they were ) to bring Dwight in. That’s when Orlando may have taken back raw talent for Dwight, instead of draft picks. The Hawks didn’t pull the trigger, so we are where we are.

@ Emir S. . . . . the Magic got exactly what they wanted. They got to trim their payroll and they get a plethora of 1st round draft picks ( even if all of them may be outside of the lottery ). That’s what they wanted. To rebuild their team with a bunch of kids and draft picks that they can move for good players in the future.

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
9:37 am

“For some strange reason, I STILL see Dwight choosing Atlanta over the Lakers or any other team IF he decides to become a free agent after next season.”

Really? Wow, no way this becomes a consideration.

Northcyde, I gotta agree with you; it’s all about Josh right now. We have to go get something for him before he walks. He is going to get more money from what we should offer him. He is not the leader of a championship contender, and you can’t pay him to try to be that.

And for any team who continues to make deals with LA, how idiotic does it make you look one year later? I just don’t get it.

Orlando got assets to show they don’t want to tank and rebuild. They are getting very little for the best big man in the league. Remember what Minny got for Garnett? Nothing, and today they have nothing to show for it.

These teams that deal with LA or Boston are just embaciles..you freeze them out and let them build from FA and the draft themselves.

I’m ready to see what Danny has in mind now….if in fact we offered a better deal than LA/PHI/DEN, then what can you do? You have to get creative now.

I just don’t see keeping Josh now. It’s time to rebuild completely.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
9:38 am

If Hawk fans want Josh Smith to return, they better tone down the criticism this season. If he becomes the scapegoat for a mediocre to bad Hawks season, he may bounce right out of here.

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
9:40 am

The Lakers have 11 titles with their previous big men. They simply just punk the league over and over.

Orlando has no clue what they’re doing. Now they compete with us for a 7th or 8th seed.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
9:40 am

Lets face it northcyde,

NEITHER ONE OF US REALLY KNOWS WHAT DWIGHT WILL DO, HECK HE DOESNT ALWAYS KNOW WHAT HE WILL DO. Cleveland’s owner WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT LEBRON WOULD HAVE LEFT ALL THAT MONEY ON THE TABLE FOR A PAY CUT!! So to sit here and say we have no chance in &*%$ to get Dwight is just plain SILLY!!

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
9:43 am

Why would Howard leave a championship franchise and around $25M (in the 5th year of his contract) to sign with a franchise like Atlanta? Because afterspending all of that time in Orlando, he suddenly gets home-sick?

I’m glad the drama is over. And I am thrilled that howard is NOT a Hawk… we don’t need that nonsense from someone incapable of being an offensive factor at the end of a tight and meaningful game.

Orlando clearly wanted dude out of the conference. Meanwhile, Philly takes a big step forward. They will likely dangle Hawes to make further improvement to their team.

Jay Dubu

August 10th, 2012
9:49 am

Dwight Howard has been removed from the Hawks radar, so the masses can stop speculating about how much Howard would sacrifice to play along side Josh Smithe who, by the way, will be gone from the Hawks after next season.

It will provide the Hawks an almost clean slate to build the team through the draft, trades, and level 2 free agents.

The team could be basking in the glow of at least an Eastern Conference Final, if they ‘d had a GM who knew how to use all of the 1st round (some lottery) picks that they wasted.

Waisted picks by the Haws:
Marvin Williams (2), Shelden Williams (5), Josh Childress (6), Acie Law (11), Boris Diaw (21), Pau Gasol (3), Demar Johnson (6).

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
9:50 am

Yes, I now see it….D12 leaving LA to take a 25M paycut so he can play in Atlanta…..all I can say about that going forward is I appreciate Danny giving it a run, more than what Sund did in his 4 years here.
Good riddance to Sund.

We have other problems now to work on, with the 1st being our head coach. We then have to deal with Josh being here or overpaying him to stay. I don’t like the latter option.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
9:52 am

MsDee . . . history tells me what Dwight will do.

And let’s keep it real about the Lebron and Cleveland situation. There were things going on behind the scenes there that contributed to Lebron leaving. With one of those being one of his own teammates sexing his mama . . and the team knowing about it. Also with Cleveland, the writing was on the wall that they were not probably going to get past Boston with the team they constructed.

So Lebron gets wooed by Pat Riley ( former Lakers coach and current Miami GM ), and by D-Wade to come to Miami. That honestly was an easy decision for Lebron.

Stay in Cleveland, and struggle to win a title because he’s the only superstar on the team . . . or go to Miami and team up with another top 5 league player and win a title there.

Easy decision.

But with the Howard situation, you want to believe that there is some remote possibility that Dwight will leave a storied franchise like LA, and leave teammates like Kobe and Nash . . . to come to the Hawks ( a bottom 15 league franchise historically ), and play with Josh Smith and Al Horford?

Even you have to admit that doesn’t sound right.

He might leave LA. But he’s not leaving LA to come to us. If he wanted to come here, he would’ve said so.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
9:53 am

The Lakers will be old old old and Dwight would be looking like the Orlando of old..playing for a team who just dont have it!! Kobe and Nash will drain and Dwight will again be on a contract that keeps him there.

And like what Rev from Tampa just said, “I still say that I would like to have been a fly on the wall for Danny Ferry’s post-season lunch with Josh Smith. For some reason Josh did a complete 180 in his attitude toward the Hawks”

Exactly, we DONT KNOW WHAT DANNY HAS TOLD JOSH AND DWIGHT (FOR THAT MATTER THRU JOSH) WHAT HIS FUTURE PLANS ARE! Danny is getting rid of all the non factor coaching staff to be replaced by maybe Jerry Sloan type choices b4 letting LD go after this season.

Like I said, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER NEXT SEASON, MAYBE THATS THE REAL REASON DWIGHT WANT TO CHECK OUT HIS OPTIONS 1ST B4 MAKING A DECISION.

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
9:53 am

Ms Dee,

I would love for Dwight to sign with us next year. But don’t hold your breath. The Lakers have too many advantages (imo).

Lakers Offer: 5 years, $100 milI

Hawks offer: 4 years, $80 mil.

Advantage: Lakers

Lakers have Kobe, Gasol and Nash. Hawks have Horford, Josh (assuming he stays) and Teague. Advantage: Lakers

Lakers owned by the Buss family. Hawks owned by ASG. Advantage Lakers

Lakers play in LA, Hawks play in ATL. Advantage Lakers.

Lakers have more marketing, endorsements, movie opportunities. Hawks have…?

So why would Dwight sign with us?

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
9:58 am

See northcyde u keep saying, “But with the Howard situation, you want to believe that there is some remote possibility that Dwight will leave a storied franchise like LA, and leave teammates like Kobe and Nash . . . to come to the Hawks ( a bottom 15 league franchise historically ), and play with Josh Smith and Al Horford?”

And I say, YES there is STILL a possibility. Must I post it again, “Yea, having teammates named Kobe, Nash, MWP, and Pau on your team sounds like peaches n cream BUT will those SAME names be effective 3-5 years from now?? THEY ARE AND WILL BE VERY VERY OLD AND PLAYING LIKE TMAC 3-5 YEARS FROM NOW. That is what Dwight will be looking at IF he stays there long term. Our new found ‘core’ guys are and WILL be MUCH MUCH younger than the Lakers ‘core’ guys.”

Point-forward

August 10th, 2012
9:59 am

Magic definitely got the “doo doo” end of the stick on this one. I guess Hennigan decided to go all out on the tank and draft way of rebuilding.

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
10:00 am

Rod,

Imo, this has nothing to do with Horford. I think Orlando didn’t want to trade Dwight within the division. But if I’m an Orlando fan, I’m not happy with the new GM at all. Houston, Brooklyn and Atlanta (allegedly) all had better offers than what the Magic ended up with.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
10:01 am

MsDee . . . listen to Keyshia Cole. She’s telling you right about Dwight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hybj2Gfk6G8

Point-forward

August 10th, 2012
10:01 am

And the Nuggets must plan on starting 5 SF’s for the upcoming season.

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
10:01 am

People wonder why teams like the Lakers are always wining championships, whereas a team like the Hawks have not even been to the ECF SMH.

I like this deal for Philly. With Iggy gone, Evan Turner and Jrue Holiday will have a chance to step up, and Bynum is the second best center in the NBA. Plus he grew up close to Philly, so I think chances are great he will resign. Plus why would he leave $20 mil on the table to leave as a free agent, especially with his injury history?

I cant wait to see what the Hawks do with their salary cap space next offseason.

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
10:01 am

So skipping over the Lakers, the Sixers now have Hawes, Bynum and Kwame Brown. They aren’t going to training camp with that roster.

Can we provide Josh to them now?

Funny how the real Stephen A Smith can get an interview right after D12 gets traded where you couldn’t find him at his own kids’ camp 2 days prior?

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
10:02 am

O’Brien,

And again I say, “NEITHER ONE OF US REALLY KNOWS WHAT DWIGHT WILL DO, HECK HE DOESNT ALWAYS KNOW WHAT HE WILL DO. Cleveland’s owner WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT LEBRON WOULD HAVE LEFT ALL THAT MONEY ON THE TABLE FOR A PAY CUT!! So to sit here and say we have no chance in &*%$ to get Dwight is just plain SILLY!!”

And for the record, Im not saying we the GREATEST chance of getting him, Im just telling yall to sit here and say we have no chance in &*%$ to get Dwight is just plain SILLY!!”

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
10:03 am

Interesting analysis from Hollinger about how Denver has off-loaded players that they signed months earlier.

As an aside, it also appears the Nuggets have become masters of what we’ll call the “delayed sign-and-trade.” After mild overpays of both Nene and Afflalo last summer, done to keep each from departing without compensation, Denver quickly moved them along before the deals came back to bite it. The race between Wilson Chandler and JaVale McGee to be the next one should be entertaining.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
10:06 am

Though two league sources stipulated that they had not heard directly from Orlando management that the Magic have signed off on the trade, the deal is expected to put Howard’s former team in full-on rebuilding mode in the wake of the franchise center’s long awaited departure. On paper, the Magic’s haul of Al Harrington and Arron Afflalo from Denver, Nikola Vucevic and Moe Harkless from Philadelphia and three first-round picks is underwhelming. But with Harrington expected to be bought out of his partially guaranteed contract next summer, the Magic are positioned to have more than $20 million in cap space in the summer of 2014 as a result of the deal. CBSSports.com

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
10:07 am

Looks like Orlando has yet to truly sign off to this trade..maybe having 2nd thoughts cause they look mighty crazy with a trade that gives them nothing.

“While the source cautioned that multiteam trades are complex and that involved executives could always change their minds in the morning, a trade call is expected to take place in the morning or afternoon and the deal is structured as follows: the Lakers would get Howard; Orlando would get Denver guard Arron Afflalo, Denver forward Al Harrington, Philadelphia small forward Moe Harkless, Philadelphia center Nikola Vucevic, three future first-round picks and multiple second-round picks; Philadelphia would get Lakers center Andrew Bynum and Orlando guard Jason Richardson; and Denver would get Sixers forward Andre Iguodala. One source said Philadelphia was very reluctant to give up Harkless, the 15th pick in the June draft, and that Sixers officials continued looking for ways to avoid having to do so late Thursday. SI.com

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
10:08 am

“Point-forward

August 10th, 2012
10:01 am
And the Nuggets must plan on starting 5 SF’s for the upcoming season”

How does McGee, Mosgov, Gallinari, Iggy, Faried and Lawson look like 5 SFs? Their lineup is better than Danny’s.

Stephen A feels sorry for what the Magic got in return. All junk in comparison. They got rid of what bad contracts? Duhon and JRich? Haha, and they kept Turk? Wow.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
10:09 am

MsDee . . . once again, the Lakers simply re-load. I’ve told you what they’ll do

- they’ll trade Pau Gasol to a team looking to shed salary, and give up their overpaid star to do it

- they’ll then use the money coming off the books with Nash and possibly Kobe leaving ( or retiring ), to bring in another star.

The “Big 3″ in LA 3 years from now could very easily be

- Dwight Howard
- Kevin Love
- Rudy Gay

Along with that team using other tradeable assets like Ron Artest. And they’ll always be able to get cheap vet free agents who are willing to play there to win a title, instead of going to a mediocre to bad team for more money.

That is simply what the Lakers do. They laugh at the Luxury Tax, and feast off the misfortune of lesser teams.

Hoosierhawk

August 10th, 2012
10:10 am

ANybody think with the logjam at SF for Denver they trade us Chandler for Harris? Havent checked the salaries, but just an example.

Sautee

August 10th, 2012
10:11 am

MsDee, I truly feel for you. Grasping at straws is never solace for a loss.

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
10:14 am

Ms Dee,

Cleveland’s owner WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT LEBRON WOULD HAVE LEFT ALL THAT MONEY ON THE TABLE FOR A PAY CUT!.

1) Florida does not have a state tax, so LeBron made some of that money back
2) Playing in South Beach probably led to more endorsements
3) LeBron left because he knew Miami would be closer to a championship (compared to Cleveland).

The Hawks are not closer to a championship, and we have no way for Dwight to make up the $20 mil he would lose by signing elsewhere.

northcyde,

Plus what if Kyrie Irving says he will not stay in Cleveland? One way or another, the Lakers will reload.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
10:16 am

Orlando’s plan

- buy out Harrington

- trade Affalo and Jameer Nelson before or at the trade deadline to a playoff level team for an expiring contract

- throw a MAX contract at either James Harden or Josh Smith in the summer of 2013 . . or both

glw

August 10th, 2012
10:35 am

@Ms Dee

I will back you a little and say that it isnt totally over for Dwight. He will be a free agent next summer and lots of things can happen between now and then. At the very least come July 1, 2013, Ferry will be on the phone or maybe meeting face to face with Dwight. He will offer Dwight a max contract and will get him to buy into coming home, talkin about the changing of the culture he is building. here now. I think Ferry is a good salesman, he seems to have gotten Josh to buy in.

Does that mean Dwight signs here? Probably not, Dwight has gone Hollywood and will be hard to convince him to leave. But it aint over till the fat lady sings. But damn, I hear her clearing her throat now.

jlewis

August 10th, 2012
10:41 am

People, as i’ve said before, Danny Ferry was not brought in here to attract Dwight Howard or CP3, its to shed salary and be barely competitive so the owners can make their money back and then sell the team. With the Hawks roster right now, they won’t make the playoffs and they won’t be terrible enough to get into the lottery, so we’re stuck. JJ is gone, that was the scapegoat, if they give Josh max money that would be an even bigger mistake, since his athleticism will leave in another year, and you know his b-ball IQ is low.
Look for a sell and move of this team in the next couple of years.

ryan

August 10th, 2012
10:44 am

What do the Hawks do now we got all this money and no D12 i guess it means the ASG still own this team Atlanta will never get a big star never going to happen in my life time New York and LA always gets it all so could Josh Smith be traded now that Howard off the market .

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
10:46 am

Only way Josh stays is if we give him max money before anyone else gets a shot at it. He isn’t going to settle for a ‘fair’ contract.

Now what Danny? You still think Josh is the guy to build around? You better get him signed if so.

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
10:56 am

northcyde,

…Orlando’s plan

- throw a MAX contract at either James Harden or Josh Smith in the summer of 2013 . . or both.

I think that’s ATL’s plan too, and we would still have money left over to add another solid piece.

As for Denver, they now have Iggy ($13+ mil), Gallinari ($10 mil) and Chandler ($6+ mil) all listed at SF. Something has to give.

What kind of deal can we work out to get Wilson Chandler to be our SF?

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
10:59 am

Not that its likely but Dwight could force the Lakers hand by refusing to resign with them in which they would be more inclined to do a sign and trade to receive compensation or at the least a TPE. Hey, anything could happen.

Rod from College Park

August 10th, 2012
11:03 am

This truly is one of the most idiotic trades that I have ever seen. Orlando gets draft picks, but none of them will be high picks. You get a first round pick from the Lakers, Philly and Denver. All teams that you just helped become better, and will probably be some of the better teams in the league. You don’t trade Howard in you division, but you help a team in your conference Philly get much better, get rid of an overpaid Iggy, and aquire the second best center in the league. All Orlando gets is late first round picks, Harrington, Affalao and unproven Mo Harkless (who all play essentailly the same position). Dumbest move ever. I guess David Stern is back to playing puppet master.

Rod from College Park

August 10th, 2012
11:07 am

Ms. Dee,

Me and northcyde never agree, but he is 100% correct. We have no chance in hell of getting Dwight now. He will never leave LA to come to Atlanta. It would be possibly one of the dumbest moves in sports history. I understand that we could not get Dwight, but damn, could we not play the role of Philly and get Bynum? No we have a ton of cap space, and no star player to spend it on. SMH

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
11:10 am

“As for Denver, they now have Iggy ($13+ mil), Gallinari ($10 mil) and Chandler ($6+ mil) all listed at SF. Something has to give”

Denver drafted Fournier, QMIller from Baylor and Izzet Turkyilmaz from Turkey, 7′1″. They are building a deep roster now for going forward.
They got rid of a bad Harrington contract, a bad Afflalo contract and now can put young guys off the bench.

I can see McGee, Faried, Gallinari, Iggy, and Lawson as their lineup.
Gallinari will be their stretch 4 on offense. Karl is very creative with talented guys.

Denver is looking very deep heading into the season.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
11:11 am

Melvin
August 10th, 2012
10:59 am

Not that its likely but Dwight could force the Lakers hand by refusing to resign with them in which they would be more inclined to do a sign and trade to receive compensation or at the least a TPE. Hey, anything could happen.

EXACTLY!!

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
11:12 am

OB,

I still think Ferry will keep cap flexibility for next season. I don’t see him acquiring a player with a multiple year contract unless it’s a major piece going forward. Not sure Chandler fit that bill…

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
11:13 am

To have cap space is good, but to have too much cap space is not good if you want to contend.
Bynum, Harden, and maybe even Josh will get max contracts from multiple teams. The benefit to come to Atlanta is what? That is what has to be addressed here.

We dont have stars and stars want to play with stars. It takes getting one first to have others follow. To play with Josh is not going to get it done and Josh wants to play with stars.

Heck of an offseason for the NBA as a whole.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
11:15 am

Rod from College Park
August 10th, 2012
11:07 am

Ms. Dee,

Me and northcyde never agree, but he is 100% correct. We have no chance in hell of getting Dwight now. He will never leave LA to come to Atlanta. It would be possibly one of the dumbest moves in sports history. I understand that we could not get Dwight, but damn, could we not play the role of Philly and get Bynum? No we have a ton of cap space, and no star player to spend it on. SMH

Again, we dont know WHAT Danny has in plans for Atlanta. There is STILL CP3 that could lur Dwight to return back home. Yeah, its not over til the fat lady sings and I until Dwight signs that dotted line to stay with the Lakers, I will continue to hear crickets til than!!

ryan

August 10th, 2012
11:24 am

What a bummer my gut knew we were not getting Howard had some hope after the moves we made but ASG still in charge sounds like we are heading towards the lottery .

Rod from College Park

August 10th, 2012
11:30 am

Keep Dreamin Ms. Dee. CP3 or Dwight Howard ain’t walkin thru that door by their own choice.

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
11:31 am

Chris Broussard said it again on the Mike and Mike show on ESPN2 this morning that he felt the Hawks had the best offer on the table. So for folks who say Ferry or the ASG didn’t try to get Dwight here is wrong. Just b/c the Hawks didnt get him doesnt mean they didnt try….

Rod from College Park

August 10th, 2012
11:36 am

“I’m glad the drama is over. And I am thrilled that howard is NOT a Hawk… we don’t need that nonsense from someone incapable of being an offensive factor at the end of a tight and meaningful game.”

Thrilled that the best center in the league is not a Hawk? Interesting that the Lakers are not worrying about Dwight at the end of a game. Loserville has spread to the fans.

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
11:40 am

Ms Dee,

I admire your resolve when it comes to Dwight. I think CP3 is more likely to leave LA than Dwight is, so maybe the Hawks have a chance there. But if Dwight has a good year playing with Nash, Kobe and Pau, and the Lakers get to the Western Conference finals, why would Dwight want to leave?

Melvin,

I think Ferry will keep the cap space. But we could trade for Chandler next off-season too.

KevinM,

That lineup will score in bunches. But my point is will they pay Chandler $6+ mil to be a backup SF?

O'Brien

August 10th, 2012
11:48 am

Melvin,

On the flip side, just because Chris Broussard says it doesn’t mean it really happened. And its possible that as good as Ferry’s offer might have been, it might have been contingent on Dwight signing an extension.

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
11:56 am

OB,

Of course we dont know all the facts that were involved but I find it interesting that Broussard would come on National TV twice (Sportcenter and the Mike and Mike show) and say the samething… What would be his reason/motive to lie about it?

EmirS.

August 10th, 2012
11:58 am

Its time to stop throwing around the “age” factor. The Spurs and Celtics have continued to downplay those claims….and this point in their careers…Nash and Kobe will/have as well. However, I don’t have the Lakers coming out of the West as champs. I can see them making the WCF but losing to the Thunder. I believe it will be a Heat vs Thunder rematch.

@northcyde

Even though the magic got their expiring contracts and picks, would it have not been a bit smarter to try and get a role player or two that is of significance. And those picks they got? They wont be high draft picks. Again, the Magic got screwed out of this. If they are going after Harden or CP3 with cap space…do they believe that they have a better chance of getting either one over us?

I understand that they wanted to get rid of Howard…but there were better deals out there and everyone know this…but the Magic it seems.

And I’m not holding my breath as far as Howard resigning with them. I believe there is a chance he doesn’t. I will hold back on defending my claim until mid season where we can get a better grasp of the chemistry they show. It will take a longer time for Howard and Gasol to get in sync then it will be with anyone else. Unless the Lakers have another trick up their sleeve…..

hawksfancents95

August 10th, 2012
12:00 pm

The 2012-20123 Laker WILL be NBA champs
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
World Metta Peace
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? That looks like the best team in NBA history. I think that team could beat the 98 Bulls. The Bulls had MJ and Pippen and great role players. The Lakers have Kobe Bryant Steve Nash Pau Gasol Dwight Howard and good role players. I see the highest rated NBA finals coming with LAL vs MIA. This is great for us(ATL Hawks) because OKC will lose to LAL and maybe they try to rebuild a tad and let Harden walk and we can scoop him up. As well as the clippers don’t do much and CP3 thinks staying in the west is not his best bet to win a title and comes to Atlanta as well.

Rufus1

August 10th, 2012
12:05 pm

Melvin..

Did Chris say what we offered?

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
12:06 pm

Rod, the Lakers have a top 5 player of all-time for the end of the games, his name is KOBE. They also have a HOF PG to run plays at the end of the game, his name is Nash. Throw in a player capable of scoring or passing out of the low post in Gasol. It isn’t about a player in a vacuum, it is about FIT. Howard would NOT get us to the Finals but he becomes a mega-role player for the Lakers (which is what he was when the Magic were at their best). When he is asked to be the main offensive weapon on a team, that team has failed. You know how bad Howard’s Magic have been the past two seasons? The lowly Hawks have OWNED them.

Howard is the best center in the game (today) because the position is at an all-time low. It is NOT because he is an all-timer as a player. Throw in the drama that he brings 9which becomes a secondary story to the daily craziness of having Metta World Peace on the Lakers) and I am thrilled that he isn’t a Hawk.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
12:07 pm

O’Brien, “But if Dwight has a good year playing with Nash, Kobe and Pau, and the Lakers get to the Western Conference finals, why would Dwight want to leave?”

Again I say, ““Yea, having teammates named Kobe, Nash, MWP, and Pau on your team sounds like peaches n cream BUT will those SAME names be effective 3-5 years from now?? THEY ARE AND WILL BE VERY VERY OLD AND PLAYING LIKE TMAC 3-5 YEARS FROM NOW. That is what Dwight will be looking at IF he stays there long term. Our new found ‘core’ guys are and WILL be MUCH MUCH younger than the Lakers ‘core’ guys.”

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:09 pm

Lakers in 6!

Hawks streak will continue….[No ECF appearances] 44 years and counting..PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Knicks and Lakers!

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:14 pm

The Hawks will have to find their “superstar” to the draft….Don’t hold your breath…..

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
12:15 pm

MsDee, in 3-5 years, Howard will certainly be looking for a secondary role. And the lakers can go to him and say that in a 5-6 year period, they traded for Pau Gasol, Steve Nash and himself… so Kupchak should have little problem convincing Howard that they know how to “re-load”. And their roster payroll will be close to $100M, (for the ‘12-13 season) so Howard won’t need to be convinced that the ownership is willing to pay top dollar to have a stacked team.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
12:18 pm

I hear all u guys point of view and trust me, they all makes sense but again, I say, until Dwight signs that dotted line and becomes a Laker for good, I say there is still HOPE. Rather it be the most dumbest move ever in the history NBA or not, THERE IS STILL HOPE!!

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:18 pm

[through]^^^^

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
12:20 pm

And once his ink has dried up, our next big pursuit should be to land the next best center, Bynum!!

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
12:21 pm

Brian Schmitz: Dwight deal not done, league sources say. Twitter

Rusty

August 10th, 2012
12:27 pm

MsDee. You need to stop dreaming

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:30 pm

LA vs. Atlanta with a net worth of millions in your prime and single…

A choice as a free agent to play for Lakers or Hawks..Man tough decision. Oh the Humanity!

A Franchise [Lakers] which has won what 16 titles?

Then you have the GREAT ATLANTA HAWKS FRANCHISE who has won ____________? Crickets……[Pen drop]….

That bridge in Brooklyn maybe up for sale….

2056

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
12:37 pm

Not dreaming, just be an optimistic, thats all!

Ken Strickland

August 10th, 2012
12:37 pm

There were those who advocated trading picks, Horford, Teague, and anyone else, for Dwight even if he didn’t want to play for the Hawks. Now that he’s been traded to the Lakers, some of those same DHoward advocates are saying we should now trade Josh, since it’s believed we can’t convince him to resign if we don’t have Dwight.

Now if they feel we can’t convince Josh to resign, how in the hell did they think we’d be able to convince Dwight to resign? I seriously doubt if Josh’s earlier decision to openly withdraw his request to be traded and state he wanted to stay, had very much to do with us acquiring Dwight. If anyone, including Ferry, had a definite idea about our chances of acquiring Dwight, it would have been Josh.

While I’m certain he was impressed with Ferry and the ASG’s attempts to acquire Dwight, I’m just as certain his acquisition wasn’t a prerequisite for him changing his mind about wanting to be traded. I firmly believe that Ferry presented Josh with his overall plan for the teams future, and it involved something other than the possibility of us acquiring Dwight.

Ferry is going to take a long hard look at this team’s overall performance, strengths and weaknesses this season and determine what we need, who will be resigned, and who will be added in FA. Making a run at Bynum and CP3 would make far more sense than wasting time going after Dwight, especially when he’s made it perfectly clear, to anyone who’s been paying attention, that he DOSEN’T WANT TO PLAY FOR THE HAWKS. I’m with NORTHCYDE, give it a rest and move on.

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
12:40 pm

“That lineup will score in bunches. But my point is will they pay Chandler $6+ mil to be a backup SF?”

Denver went through a huge rash of injuries last year…if you watched ‘The Assocation’. They have depth if needed and they don’t look like they are over the cap.
They do need a SG though, so perhaps Denver isn’t done.

Stern allows this deal, but doesn’t allow the CP3 deal…..Robbed Henigan is all that needs to be said.

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
12:46 pm

To keep Josh now is to overpay to keep Josh. I think he’s more valuable as a trade piece because he isn’t going back in the paint on a regular basis.
Perhaps we could have signed him if D12 came here, but now I think he’s going to cost too much. It’s not my money, but you can’t pay a guy the kind of money Josh will expect when he hasn’t even been an all-star. Josh’s claim to fame so far has been a Slam Dunk contest how many years ago?

I want Danny to go find us the best path to a superstar. We can free up more cap space along the way by moving our SF.

It still could happen,,

August 10th, 2012
1:09 pm

We could still see Smoove and Dwight together in Hawks uniforms…I’m getting a vision of the future now:
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Futurenews – AJC

“Dwight Howard and Josh Smith both say they are pleased to end their careers together as Atlanta Hawks. At 41 years old “D12″ isn’t the player he once was but he can still fill in at the center position. Head Coach Shelden Williams said he thinks the veteran leadership of the two players will provide a great example to the Hawks (otherwise the youngest team in the league) as they try to rebuild and reach the playoffs for the first time in a decade.”

Buddy G

August 10th, 2012
1:12 pm

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
1:13 pm

The year 2020^^^^^^^^.. Now thats funny, It still could happen..

Rev in Tampa

August 10th, 2012
1:21 pm

Give ‘em hell, MsDee!

Hawksfan

August 10th, 2012
1:36 pm

So now here we are Hawks fans what do we do next??? I loved the Marvin Williams trade but now there no future here for the Hawks all we have is Al and Josh…I hate to say it but i would have loved for us to keep Joe Josh and Al because were not making the playoffs now and at least we were in the 2nd round. Now where are we in the lottery I feel much better if we trade Al for Tyreke Evans go and make pushes to sign James Harden and Andrew Bynum. And did we not learn our lesson with Joe Johnson about overpaying players. Honestly He would have came back for 75 for 4 years. Now what we have no future and an active gm that destroyed a good team with talks of the future but now there is none we just need to go into complete rebuild mode and build around like Tyreke if we can get him Jeff Teague if we cant.

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
1:39 pm

Okay, its done…..
“Adrian Wojnarowski: Trade call is done with the league office. Dwight Howard has joined the Los Angeles Lakers”

Next time, we’ll have a shot at an elite player.

KevinM

August 10th, 2012
1:42 pm

Sam Amick: Sources say Orlando also gets Lakers forward Josh McRoberts in the Dwight Howard deal…

Now the trade makes sense for the Magic……:)

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
1:42 pm

Oh and last I checked, there IS a such thing as injuries during a season, the Hawks has had there share and yet in still found a way to make the playoffs time and time again. BUT I say all that to say, both Kobe AND Nash have a long history of being injury prone. God forbids both Kobe and/or Nash gets injured midway thru the season, I say this loud and clear, DWIGHT WILL and WOULD NOT SIGN NO KIND OF EXTENSION WITH THEM, I DONT CARE IF THEY HAVE HIS BIRD OR CHICKEN RIGHTS’ FOR THAT MATTER, HE ISNT STAYING. Which makes all the more sense for Dwight to check out being a free agent b4 signing to ANYONE! And its funny how northcyde and few others love to point out how Dwight never had Atlanta on his list and how he only wanted to play for Brookyn BUT tends to forget he made those comments PRIOR to us hiring Danny Ferry. Heck, even Josh wanted to be trade B4 getting Ferry. Dwight then made the smart decision to KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT til Orlando decides where he be traded. Also, for those wondering WHY IN THE WORLD would Dwight want to leave LA to maybe join the Hawks is the same reason to ask WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD DWIGHT OPT RIGHT BACK TO A TEAM HE SO DISLIKE??????? So if im dreaming/drinking ‘kook-aid’, makes me sound foolish, THAN SO BE IT. Until Dwight is officially theirs long term, I WILL KEEP HOPE ALIVE!! :)

ryan

August 10th, 2012
1:54 pm

Any chance the Hawks go after Tyreke Evans you know i am fine with Howard going out west all he has been is big cry baby good riddance how will Bryant and Howard get along him an Shaq could not how this any different .

prison mike

August 10th, 2012
2:00 pm

Golly, Dwhite playing for the lakers is something I don’t like.

ryan

August 10th, 2012
2:04 pm

Ego City LA will they be able to co exist .

Real Truth

August 10th, 2012
2:06 pm

MsDee – the ex-wife who can’t admit that it’s over. Seen it a hundred times.

The Truth

August 10th, 2012
2:13 pm

“I want Danny to go find us the best path to a superstar. We can free up more cap space along the way by moving our SF”

To trade Josh now after this “extreme make-over” would be pre-mature and unwise since Josh is our defensive “backbone” and the only formable SF left on the team. The market for “good” SF has come and gone. Yes, Josh has issues (who don’t) but he has shown a desire to constantly improve each year and has expressed a desire to remain a Hawk so he is not unhappy. His ceiling has not max-out yet and as of now is still evolving.

Just how will Josh look in this new configuration surrounded with sharp-shooters with no JJ? Though I am not so impress with the offense-centric roster, however, I do want to see the experiment fully unfold. Josh knows this is his contract-year so I expect him to give us his all.

As the trading deadline approaches, we should have a better assessment of this experiment and whether or not a Josh-trade makes the most sense. If it does, then do it since the Hawks are rebuilding anyway. If it doesn’t then pay him according to the market with the reference that most max-players are or have been all-stars. If he is unhappy with that assessment then let him walk. The new CBA makes Max-players more selective by design. In the new world-order, it’s OK to pass on star players that are not “max-money” worthy.

Besides the Hawks will still have some leverage even if they let Josh walk. If Josh agrees to partner with Hawks for a pick (or some other form of compensation), they can still sign and trade him for max-money to the team of his choice.

TMACfan

August 10th, 2012
2:15 pm

I’M SO SICK OF SEEING THE LAKERS GIVE BARELY ANYTHING AND GET GOLD. FIRST FROM PAU GASOL AND NOT DWIGHT HOWARD.

TMACfan

August 10th, 2012
2:16 pm

I’M SO SICK OF SEEING THE LAKERS GIVE BARELY ANYTHING AND GET GOLD. FIRST FROM PAU GASOL AND NOW DWIGHT HOWARD.

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
2:22 pm

The Truth, the one caveat is the Hawks cannot sign & trade Josh for a 5 year contract. They can only do a S&T for 4 years.

However, using the “Denver model”, the could sign Josh to a 5-year deal and then wait to trade him in February, 2014. He gets his 5 years and we get some value in return.

Josh will be 27 next summer and at best would be a one-time All-Star. Odds are high that as the team’s leader, he would have never been beyond the 1st round of the playoffs. And at best, he would only have a single season when he averaged 20 points. If someone wants to give a player a max deal with that resume, they should go for it… I doubt Ferry will be that GM.

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
2:25 pm

Rufus1,

No, Chris did not say what the Hawks package was…

BIG DOG

August 10th, 2012
2:25 pm

If Teague have a dominating year look for the Hawks to go a different route come 2013 in free agent.

D12 still might come home depend on the play out in LA.

Al Jefferson could be the Hawks next step would coast atleast 4mill lest than D12.

Bynum might want to play in the south for the Hawks but will demand at Max contract, HA

CP3 will be the odd man out if Teague have and all star performance.

Harden could be in a Hawks uniform but still under a restricted contract so Thunder could match it.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
2:26 pm

“So 3 years from now, the new “Big 3″ in LA could very easily be Howard – Love – Gay.”

Yeah, that Gay-Love combo will be deadly.

BIG DOG

August 10th, 2012
2:31 pm

Astro Joe – Me and you have the same feeling Bru.

How do Orlando give La D12 in return get toilet tissue, JUST DAM

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
2:32 pm

“When he is asked to be the main offensive weapon on a team, that team has failed”

As the main offensive weapon on the team, he got the Magic to the NBA Finals. I wish the Hawks would fail that hard.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
2:33 pm

Dwight is going to re-sign with the Lakers. MsDee, if you want to set your sights on a free agent next year, I think it’s a lot more likely that Bynum leaves Philly (not that that’s all that likely either).

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
2:38 pm

The Lakers have $99 million in committed salaries for this season and are already $8 million over the cap for next season, not including Dwight’s inevitable extension.

The Truth

August 10th, 2012
2:38 pm

Thanks for that correction; it was the old CBA that allowed that type of S&T.

This notion of signing Josh to Max-money out fear of losing him to the market regardless of his short-comings remains me to much of the JJ situation 2 years ago. It would be beyond asinine to repeat this again.
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random

August 10th, 2012
2:39 pm

It would be crazy for Dwight to re-sign, because he’s basically going to start over soon. Nash and Kobe are gonna retire soon so it would be bad on his part.

The Truth

August 10th, 2012
2:40 pm

AJ
Thanks for that correction; it was the old CBA that allowed that type of S&T.”

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
2:42 pm

“This notion of signing Josh to Max-money out fear of losing him to the market regardless of his short-comings remains me to much of the JJ situation 2 years ago. It would be beyond asinine to repeat this again.”

Co-sign. Signing Josh to a max extension only makes sense if other, better players are also being signed to max extensions, kind of like how Bosh’s near-max contract is OK because LeBron and Wade also got near-max contracts.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
2:44 pm

Najeh,

Im aware LA has the strongest advantage in keeping Dwight, all I say is lets wait til he signs the dotted line. THATS ALL

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
2:45 pm

random
August 10th, 2012
2:39 pm

It would be crazy for Dwight to re-sign, because he’s basically going to start over soon. Nash and Kobe are gonna retire soon so it would be bad on his part.

I AGREE

terrell

August 10th, 2012
2:46 pm

What a bunch of dumbazzez some of you are. Hawks are moving in the right direction. Fu.. peaheaded Dwight!

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
2:49 pm

Also, am I the only one who isn’t convinced that the Lakers are a shoo-in for the title? They did after all try something very similar in 2004 that didn’t quite work out like everyone expected.

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
2:55 pm

Najeh, the Magic’s 2009 Finals appearance was an aberration. Rashard Lewis, Hedo and Jameer each had career seasons… in the same year. Jameer goes down and Rafer Alston (Rafer Alston?) averages 12 points in the playoffs. Dwight averaged a whopping 20 points during the regular season and playoffs. 20. Rashard/Hedo combined for closer to 35. That team made a “once in a career” run because of Rashard, Hedo and Jameer/Rafer. When the Magic dust wore off (literally), that team came crashing back to reality.

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
3:06 pm

Astro,

Didn’t Hedo got traded the following the season after the Magic reach the finals? I thought Otis Smith made major mistakes by trading for Vince, Gilbert and getting rid of players like Turk (when he had some game left), Pietrus, Bass, Lewis and Gortat. Blame the old (and current) GM for the Magic woes not Dwight.

Rod from College Park

August 10th, 2012
3:11 pm

“Najeh, the Magic’s 2009 Finals appearance was an aberration. Rashard Lewis, Hedo and Jameer each had career seasons… in the same year. Jameer goes down and Rafer Alston (Rafer Alston?) averages 12 points in the playoffs. Dwight averaged a whopping 20 points during the regular season and playoffs. 20. Rashard/Hedo combined for closer to 35.”

Those players all had career years because of who? Dwight Howard. Guys got open looks all year (like Marvin got with Atlanta), because you had to double Dwight as soon as he caught the ball in the post. If you leave professional shooters open they will knock down shots. Great ball rotation, and passing out of double teams by Dwight Howard got them to the finals.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
3:13 pm

Seriously though. If the Hawks were a part of this deal, and we got Bynum ,we’d be a part of the same machine that keeps the Lakers in power.

Those other teams that helped the Lakers get Howard, also got what they wanted out of the deal. Philly got the best center they’ve had since Moses Malone. Denver was able to get a very good all-around swingman to help them defensively. And the Magic went the route of Memphis 4 years ago, when they sold off Gasol for expirings and draft picks.

Memphis had enough forsight to get Marc Gasol in the deal, and used their cap space to get a very good, but malcontent Zach Randolph in the mix. Combined with the decent young players they already had, Memphis quickly returned to a playoff ( but not championship ) level team.

I think that will have to be the model that the Magic follow ( and the Hawks for that matter ).

Everybody got what they wanted, while making a powerhouse franchise even stronger.

It’s simply the nature of the NBA beast.

Real Truth

August 10th, 2012
3:16 pm

Why didn’t his teammates in the seasons since then have career years?

terrell

August 10th, 2012
3:19 pm

Cant wait to see Nash and Kobe trying to keep pace with Teague, Devin, Sweet Louis, and co. lol Dont we play LA like 25 times?? Sure Dwight and Kobe will get there points, but after that?? Gasol and Nash dont scare me at all. Not gonna crown that team the champs just yet.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
3:22 pm

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:30 pm

LA vs. Atlanta with a net worth of millions in your prime and single…

A choice as a free agent to play for Lakers or Hawks..Man tough decision. Oh the Humanity!

A Franchise [Lakers] which has won what 16 titles?

Then you have the GREAT ATLANTA HAWKS FRANCHISE who has won ____________? Crickets……[Pen drop]….

That bridge in Brooklyn maybe up for sale….

2056

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This is how much of a disparity it is

The Lakers have 16 world championships

The Hawks have 10 division titles ( and 6 of those were in St Louis ).

So that means the Hawks have only won 4 division titles while in Atlanta, with the last one being the 1993 – 94 squad.

So forget NBA Championships and Eastern Conference championships, we can’t even win division titles around here.

Michael Cunningham

August 10th, 2012
3:23 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.