Atlanta Hawks: Can Harris-Teague in Atlanta work like Harris-Terry in Dallas?

Good together? (Photo by Getty Images)

Good together? (Photo by Getty Images)

Devin Harris is asked how he will fit on a team that already has Jeff Teague and lets out a chuckle before the question is even finished.

Apparently, he’s heard this one a few times before.

“They’ve been talking a lot about playing us together,” Harris said. “That’s something I’m accustomed to doing. I played with Jason Terry in Dallas with a small backcourt. We played a similar type way, getting up and down the floor. I think it can work out the same way [with Teague]. Obviously he’s one of the few remaining guys on the team that knows the system and knows it well. I think if we play together it can be a good tandem.”

The Hawks can only hope Teague-Harris works out the same way as Harris-Terry. In 2006-07, their one full year starting together, both Harris and Terry had strong seasons as Dallas won 67 games and scored 111.3 points per 100 possessions (second in the league).

According to Basketball-Reference, in 2006-07 Dallas used nine lineups in which Harris and Terry shared the backcourt for at least 20 minutes. The Mavericks were +380 with those lineups.

(Those nine lineups, by the way, played at a plodding pace of 88.4. That probably has a lot to do with Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard gobbling up a big chunk of the possessions.)

Harris had the most efficient scoring season of his career in 2006-07 with a true shooting percentage of 57.4. He averaged 14.6 points per 36 minutes with a usage percentage of 19.1.

Terry’s 58.7 true shooting percentage in 2006-07 is the second-best mark of his career. He averaged 17.1 points per 36 minutes with a usage percentage of 21.3.

Harris said he and Terry had no issues about who handled the ball.

“Whoever gets it pretty much goes and runs the break and the other guy sprints,” Harris said. “We didn’t worry too much about who brought the ball up. If it was halfcourt sets, usually I brought the ball up he’s the better shooter of us two.”

Evaluating defenders depends heavily on a team context, but Harris and Terry worked as a defensive tandem for the Mavs in 2006-07.

Harris was a defensive ace back then and the numbers show it. The Mavs allowed 8.6 points fewer points per 100 possessions with Harris on the floor and his opponent PER was 13.3.

Dallas allowed 1.9 points more per possession with Terry on the court in 2006-07. His opponent PER was 14.5 as the shooting guard, presumably because he cross-matched with Harris actually guarding twos, and 16.9 as the point guard.

The best available evidence suggests the small backcourt of Harris and Terry worked quite well for the Mavericks in 2006-07. That doesn’t mean Harris-Teague will work for the Hawks, of course, and there are reasons to be skeptical that those two will enjoy the same comfortable fit.

For one, Harris and Terry complemented each other–Harris was the relentless attacker, Terry was the sharpshooter–whereas Harris and Teague both want to get to the basket off the dribble.

In 2006-07, Harris tried 5.17 shot attempts at the rim per 36 minutes (51 percent of his attempts) and made 61 percent. By contrast, 32 percent of Terry’s field-goal attempts (343) that year were long 2s with a shooting percentage of 49, and 35 percent of Terry’s shots were 3-pointers with a true shooting percentage of 65.7.

Also, Harris isn’t the same player as he was during his Dallas days. He doesn’t go to the rim as often. His percentage of shot attempts at the rim each season since 2006-07: 42, 39, 34, 36, and 25. There’s also been a declining trend in Harris’ shooting percentage at the rim, from pretty good to poor (though he continues to be a foul magnet).

There are a couple exceptions to Harris’ dwindling numbers. He shot a career-high 37.4 percent on 3-pointers last season while attempting them at a higher rate than ever (206 in 1,689 minutes) and he shot 65 percent at the rim. Both numbers are outliers season for his career but, in regards to the 3-point shooting, it’s worth noting that Harris was more of a spot-up shooter last season.

A career-high 87 percent of Harris’ 3-pointers in 2011-12 were assisted. In addition, spot-ups were Harris’ most frequent play type in the halfcourt last season, according to Synergy Sports Technology, and his 1.09 points per possession ranked 45th in the league.

So maybe Harris can get those same spot-up opportunities this season and make them at a high clip and Teague also can have another good year spotting up for 3-pointers. And it’s possible Teague and Harris can set each other up for drives to the basket, with space created by the shooters the Hawks can put on the wing. Certainly Josh Smith and Al Horford in the post can feed either guard for spot-ups or, if defenders close hard, show-and-gos.

Or perhaps Teague and Harris can make all of that not matter so much because they push a breakneck pace (with big men who can keep up) and are disruptive enough on defense to mask their relative lack of size.

“Obviously with the shooting [Danny Ferry's] added that’s going to open up the paint for me, which is something I like to do is get in the paint and cause havoc,” Harris said. “Defensively, [we will be] getting after it and changing defenses. It’s going to be a fun way to play. I’m really looking forward to it.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
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264 comments Add your comment

The Truth

August 10th, 2012
2:40 pm

AJ
Thanks for that correction; it was the old CBA that allowed that type of S&T.”

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
2:42 pm

“This notion of signing Josh to Max-money out fear of losing him to the market regardless of his short-comings remains me to much of the JJ situation 2 years ago. It would be beyond asinine to repeat this again.”

Co-sign. Signing Josh to a max extension only makes sense if other, better players are also being signed to max extensions, kind of like how Bosh’s near-max contract is OK because LeBron and Wade also got near-max contracts.

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
2:44 pm

Najeh,

Im aware LA has the strongest advantage in keeping Dwight, all I say is lets wait til he signs the dotted line. THATS ALL

MsDee

August 10th, 2012
2:45 pm

random
August 10th, 2012
2:39 pm

It would be crazy for Dwight to re-sign, because he’s basically going to start over soon. Nash and Kobe are gonna retire soon so it would be bad on his part.

I AGREE

terrell

August 10th, 2012
2:46 pm

What a bunch of dumbazzez some of you are. Hawks are moving in the right direction. Fu.. peaheaded Dwight!

Najeh Davenpoop

August 10th, 2012
2:49 pm

Also, am I the only one who isn’t convinced that the Lakers are a shoo-in for the title? They did after all try something very similar in 2004 that didn’t quite work out like everyone expected.

Astro Joe

August 10th, 2012
2:55 pm

Najeh, the Magic’s 2009 Finals appearance was an aberration. Rashard Lewis, Hedo and Jameer each had career seasons… in the same year. Jameer goes down and Rafer Alston (Rafer Alston?) averages 12 points in the playoffs. Dwight averaged a whopping 20 points during the regular season and playoffs. 20. Rashard/Hedo combined for closer to 35. That team made a “once in a career” run because of Rashard, Hedo and Jameer/Rafer. When the Magic dust wore off (literally), that team came crashing back to reality.

Melvin

August 10th, 2012
3:06 pm

Astro,

Didn’t Hedo got traded the following the season after the Magic reach the finals? I thought Otis Smith made major mistakes by trading for Vince, Gilbert and getting rid of players like Turk (when he had some game left), Pietrus, Bass, Lewis and Gortat. Blame the old (and current) GM for the Magic woes not Dwight.

Rod from College Park

August 10th, 2012
3:11 pm

“Najeh, the Magic’s 2009 Finals appearance was an aberration. Rashard Lewis, Hedo and Jameer each had career seasons… in the same year. Jameer goes down and Rafer Alston (Rafer Alston?) averages 12 points in the playoffs. Dwight averaged a whopping 20 points during the regular season and playoffs. 20. Rashard/Hedo combined for closer to 35.”

Those players all had career years because of who? Dwight Howard. Guys got open looks all year (like Marvin got with Atlanta), because you had to double Dwight as soon as he caught the ball in the post. If you leave professional shooters open they will knock down shots. Great ball rotation, and passing out of double teams by Dwight Howard got them to the finals.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
3:13 pm

Seriously though. If the Hawks were a part of this deal, and we got Bynum ,we’d be a part of the same machine that keeps the Lakers in power.

Those other teams that helped the Lakers get Howard, also got what they wanted out of the deal. Philly got the best center they’ve had since Moses Malone. Denver was able to get a very good all-around swingman to help them defensively. And the Magic went the route of Memphis 4 years ago, when they sold off Gasol for expirings and draft picks.

Memphis had enough forsight to get Marc Gasol in the deal, and used their cap space to get a very good, but malcontent Zach Randolph in the mix. Combined with the decent young players they already had, Memphis quickly returned to a playoff ( but not championship ) level team.

I think that will have to be the model that the Magic follow ( and the Hawks for that matter ).

Everybody got what they wanted, while making a powerhouse franchise even stronger.

It’s simply the nature of the NBA beast.

Real Truth

August 10th, 2012
3:16 pm

Why didn’t his teammates in the seasons since then have career years?

terrell

August 10th, 2012
3:19 pm

Cant wait to see Nash and Kobe trying to keep pace with Teague, Devin, Sweet Louis, and co. lol Dont we play LA like 25 times?? Sure Dwight and Kobe will get there points, but after that?? Gasol and Nash dont scare me at all. Not gonna crown that team the champs just yet.

northcyde

August 10th, 2012
3:22 pm

Slimjr

August 10th, 2012
12:30 pm

LA vs. Atlanta with a net worth of millions in your prime and single…

A choice as a free agent to play for Lakers or Hawks..Man tough decision. Oh the Humanity!

A Franchise [Lakers] which has won what 16 titles?

Then you have the GREAT ATLANTA HAWKS FRANCHISE who has won ____________? Crickets……[Pen drop]….

That bridge in Brooklyn maybe up for sale….

2056

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This is how much of a disparity it is

The Lakers have 16 world championships

The Hawks have 10 division titles ( and 6 of those were in St Louis ).

So that means the Hawks have only won 4 division titles while in Atlanta, with the last one being the 1993 – 94 squad.

So forget NBA Championships and Eastern Conference championships, we can’t even win division titles around here.

Michael Cunningham

August 10th, 2012
3:23 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.