Atlanta Hawks: Podcast: Offseason review

Won’t be able to listen until later this evening. MC, any thoughts on the Hawks obtaining a small forward? Barnes, T-Mac and Pietrus look to be the best remaining options.

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“as for k.love last year, he had two great years in a row and even though his team was not 1-8 seed at the break the twolves were very close.”

The year before that Blatche went for 14 and 6. So he actually had two good seasons in a row also.

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FTPB:

“Lou Is NOT better at taking care of the ball that Jeff.” – Balance is Key

Too bad the numbers tell a different story:

Among guards, Lou had the #5 spot in assist to TO ratio at 3.11 / 1.0

Teague was 30th at 2.4 / 1.0, still a respectable number, and Teague WILL be improving. But for the present, based on last season’s nimbers, Lou is demonstrably better at taking care of the ball than Jeff.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=00&season=22011&conf=OVERALL&position=5&splitType=9&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=6&splitDD=All%20Teams

(click on the AST / TO tab on the top right to assort the order)

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TMac was hampered by the compressed schedule last season. I think, if he’s reasonably healthy, he could give you 15-20 minutes a nite, because you would have more off days this season.

I could live with a bunch of the SF’s currently available, including Delfino and Pietrus – and Gee, Barnes etc.

Not a big Martell Webster fan – Marvin 2.0 – Even has the same initials.

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Delfino and T-Mac would be nice. I still haven’t given up on T-Mac.

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Add Dominc McGuire and Shawne Williams to the list with Barnes, Pietrus and Delfino. Both McGuire and Williams have more size/bulk to at least get in the way of the more physical SFs in the conference. Pietrus, Barnes and Delfino seem to be more like SG/SF tweeners

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“Too bad the numbers tell a different story:

Among guards, Lou had the #5 spot in assist to TO ratio at 3.11 / 1.0

Teague was 30th at 2.4 / 1.0, still a respectable number, and Teague WILL be improving. But for the present, based on last season’s nimbers, Lou is demonstrably better at taking care of the ball than Jeff.”

This is where numbers don’t tell the whole story. Yeah, Lou had a much better turnover rate than Teague, but he also came off the bench and was a designated gunner whose role was entirely to get buckets, not to set up teammates.

Lou has never been a starting point guard in the league for a full season. The point guard position brings with it a totally different set of responsibilities, and there’s no guarantee that Lou’s A/T and turnover rate will remain at their current levels if he is given that added responsibility. I’m not saying he can’t do it, but stats are misleading in this instance.

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Rod:

““It’s not that Bynum ran over him, but his stats were substantially better than for instance Perkins in the second round.

McGee flourished, but to call him dominant on D is a stretch.”

The above sentence had an obvious mistake:

Bynum’s stats – although not overwhelming – were substantially better against McGee than AGAINST Perkins (hence, Perkins probably did a better defensive job than JaVale.

Bottom line: McGee may have flourished and improved but he was NOT A DOMINANT DEFENSIVE CENTER.

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Najeh, the quote I was referring to only said something about taking care of the ball. The raw stats favor Lou. But as far as playmaking, I’d certainly favor Jeff. And Jeff’s ast / to ratio WILL improve as he gets more experienced.

Also, since Lou played fewer minutes than Jeff, I figured their to / min played:

Lou: 1 to / 23 min played.

Jeff: 1 to / 16 min played.

So just as a matter of ball security, Lou was better, but with his greater experience, you’d expect that to be so. I’m VERY interested to see how Jeff does this year.

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Hope Danny takes a long look at “injury prone” Greg Oden. I still believe he could be one of the greatest comeback stories of all time!

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“Bynum’s stats – although not overwhelming – were substantially better against McGee than AGAINST Perkins (hence, Perkins probably did a better defensive job than JaVale.”

You do realize that Bynum was guarded by Perkins and Ibaka in the OKC series right and also Collison. No way to make that comparison. Do you actually watch the games?

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I’ll take McGee over Al, thats an easy one and Harris over teague, another easy one. ohh thats right it williams vs teague, I take william too because he much smarter. Teague’s errors dont come from inexperience. Hes been ballin all his life. His turnovers comes because hes not very bright, not a think. The way to improve teague is not with playing time is with a brain transplant.

TECHFan, You’d have to be smoking weed to take one of the best NBA power forwards in the game and replace him with a very average guy like Al horford.

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pointguardslim

August 3rd, 2012
4:49 pm

Hope you mentioned Smith as the 3

Thats just plan stupid. The only reason you ask for such an idiotic move is to find a place for Al who is a very weak defending center (would still be a weak defender at powerforward). Nothing in your thinking makes the hawks a better team. Josh is unquestionably one of the best power forwards in the league and the best power forward on this team. Moving Josh from power forward makes us a weaker team, Josh unhappy, fans displeased and teammate argue. The only person that stupid move benefits is Al. and his few but loud fans.

Idiots

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I would be at his front doorstep with a vet min contract in hand…

“According to a source close to Blatche, the seven-year veteran has several teams after him. He could be open to the veteran’s minimum because no matter how much he signs for, he’ll still collect $7.1 million next season from the Wizards after getting amnestied. There are also some insiders who predict he’ll go to a situation where he can start for an up-and-coming team, so he can boost his profile and then look for an eight-figure salary next offseason”

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/22871/source-chris-andersen-open-to-vets-min

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Hmmmm, could he be getting ready to turn his career around…

Jared Zwerling: Andray Blatche is currently in Houston at former NBA player John Lucas’ camp. He goes to Miami soon for more training. Has a place in Miami. about 1 hour ago

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I don’t know if we could slide Gee into some of the Trade exception money we have, but trading Jordan Williams and a 2nd pick would probably be a good move for Gee. S/T Pargo if they want him also.

I’m not sure how much his QO is from the Cavs

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Get over yourself. Josh is a top 5 SF in the league going off a number of stats. Number 1 defense rebounder, total rebounder and up there in offensive boards. Steals, are up there.

Durant couldn’t do crap with Josh on him. If the Hawks had Pachulia healthy the Hawks would have beaten Boston with Josh at the 3. You’re probably just a McGrady fan :/

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Didn’t I say this in so many words the last blog? Players in contract years tend to play their best.
And he’s apparently working hard with John Lucas Sr. and working out in Miami, I say take him and then ship him out so we can get Dwight next year.
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“According to a source close to Blatche, the seven-year veteran has several teams after him. He could be open to the veteran’s minimum because no matter how much he signs for, he’ll still collect $7.1 million next season from the Wizards after getting amnestied. There are also some insiders who predict he’ll go to a situation where he can start for an up-and-coming team, so he can boost his profile and then look for an eight-figure salary next offseason”

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we actually gotta helluva squad as it is …deshawn Stevenson is a natural 3…defense specialist ..why all u doubters of my hawks thinking we are in a bind?? we are more prepared now than we have been since. nique..For real..and I wish everyone would shut up with lottery seas…wtf. u think hawks aren’t top 5??? I KNOW hawks will be top 4 so copy n paste this post when April comes ..idiots

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we were #4 seed with hinrich. n zaza no al n a mediocre bench ..now we have substantial scorers with young legs and Lou n korver …n list goes on..miss me with the doubts..and Josh Smith is top5. pf. orrrr sf..period

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All that bull crap but no mention of one of our biggest problems which is Larry Drew.

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Kinda got agree with Rusty…

You can bring in all these super cool and amazingly interesting players (sarcasm), but with LD being the head of the snake….shouldn’t we (as in you guys) be arguing and debating over who we should get as a head coach? I think it’s great that Danny Ferry has come out and said that our game will be run through our guards more…but realistically speaking…..the game we play is decided by the coach. The fact that Mr. Ferry had to come out and state the obvious is more reason, to me, that Mr. Drew belongs back int he assistant role. Did any of the successful teams run their game (serious question) based on how the GM wanted to run it? Or did they run their games according their OWN plan and the GM just out fitted them with the key components to help the coach see his vision?

I know many of you like to say that we are a joke till we get a Superstar or at least a VERY good All-Star. And you wouldn’t be wrong for saying that. However, I believe we are a joke till we get a well respected enough head coach who is known for his style of play and the GM is willing to surround that coach with the necessary asses to run his(coach) style of play.

Btw, I’m still very interested to know who takes the last shot in a 101 – 101 game with 4 seconds left on the clock in the 4th quarter and us with the ball of course…..

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Assets not Asses…..

Its 8 am on a Saturday morning…hop off….

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My choice, is bring back one of my favorite players of all time to watch: T Mcgrady. Imagine him on the court setting up all the 3pt shooting we now have with his brillant passing.

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pointguardslim
August 3rd, 2012
11:38 pm

Don’t think Pietrus is signing for the vet minimum in Atlanta. Milwaukee is interested in him. Then there’s always Boston, unless he feels slighted…

But why the same formula? Swapping Joe and Marvin for Lou Williams/Anthony Morrow and Pietrus is a recipe for lottery land, and unless you get a top pick then what’s the point. Next year is a very weak draft.

“This is a Life lesson my friend, sometimes you have to lose a few battles along the way in order to win the war…
The team will be much better 2,3 or 4 years from now.
As you get older, you will understand.

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why Not put Josh Smith at 3 ? with horford 4.

“Thats just plan stupid. The only reason you ask for such an idiotic move is to find a place for Al who is a very weak defending center (would still be a weak defender at powerforward). Nothing in your thinking makes the hawks a better team. Josh is unquestionably one of the best power forwards in the league and the best power forward on this team. Moving Josh from power forward makes us a weaker team, Josh unhappy, fans displeased and teammate argue. ”

the object is to make the hawks better by fixing what doesnt work not what does. Josh is easily a top 5 power forward. and Al ranks betiween 15-25 as a power forward. So moving Josh for Al not only creates weaker play at the power forward position but it works against team chemistry.

I understand you would like to find a home other than center for Al since he seems unwilling by his work ethics to embrace the role but degrading the power forward position is not the solution. Josh as the power forward is the one thing the hawks got right. Al would be Ok coming off the bench if you want to start zaza,

Josh and Zaza > Al and Zaza

I do agree with your premise that Zaza may be meritorious of being the starting center for the hawks because of his fighting spirit. Al would do better in that case to come off the bench to relieve Zaza or Josh.

Or perhaps he can be traded to a team that doesn’t have a power forward as powerful as Josh then Al could start at power forward.

As long as Josh is on this team Al will never be the best option at power forward.

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**Josh is easily a top 5 power forward. and Al ranks between 15-25 as a power forward. So moving Josh for Al not only creates weaker play at the power forward position and it works against team chemistry.

This team executed better without Al last year than with him. Team chemistry was also better.

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Hawks did have better chemistry without Al and when Joe was injured they performed better as a team.
We all know that Joe hogged the ball.

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T-S
Give it rest with the endless names (IDs) hating on AL. We all know who you are (including Danny Ferry). Do you play with yourself in the bathroom too?

TS=steven a smith=Perry Mason=25 different names per day

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Observation, you need to sharpen your powers of observation. T-s is who he is, in many forms, but he is NOT steven a smith. If you can’t tell the difference, then maybe change your handle.

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USA down by 2pts in the 4th Qtr

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Lithuania back up by 2 but Chris Paul answers with a 3

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Channel 603 on DirecTV

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Hawks need to play their best 3 frontline players the majority of the time – Josh, Al, ZaZa. None are stellar defensively in my opinion. BUT – these three could play very good team defense and be very competitive. Our problem on offense is none of them have a post game that will demand a double team. This will be vital to give open looks to all of our shooters.

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…oops, Lebron not Lebrun

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Looks like we will escape the clutches of Lithuania today. Hope Coach K makes them run laps after this ugly game.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX_M_UAtKQw
How many points did Josh Smith allow Durant to get? If I’m counting right, then the Hawks outscored the Thunder in the big “protect the paint” lineup.

And vava you’re better than that. You know if Josh is at the 4 and he’s on the perimeter (1,2,3) then that means Joe or Marvin or Teague is guarding the 4. Josh can guard the perimeter but if they get blown by you expect Marvin, Teague, or Joe to come in and take a charge or block a shot?

Or this year Korver? The proof is in the pudding Josh and the Hawks are a defensive paint protecting force when you have Josh, a center and a PF. In all honesty I rather have a true PF rather than Horford and a better C than Zaza. But Josh as a SF is obviously the key.

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“Our problem on offense is none of them have a post game that will demand a double team. This will be vital to give open looks to all of our shooters.”

Josh was drawing double teams and kicking to shooters all season when he posted up. I agree neither he nor Al or Zaza is a great post scorer, but that didn’t stop most teams from doubling Josh in the post during the season.

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IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!! Smoove is a top 5 Pf WHY move him to the 3??? WHYYYY!!

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Why move Josh to the 3? Because there is nobody on the roster right now that is better. Hopefully that changes before the season starts.

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My Bad Sautee, I’ll bet you did not know I was pointguardslim trolling under cover.

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Josh was either 6th or 7th in the league among forwards in assist rate, depending on whether you classify Tyreke Evans as a guard or a forward. Some of that is simply because he had the ball so much (the notorious ball hog Carmelo Anthony is one spot ahead of him) but some of it is also because he is a good passer out of the post.

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Perry – there is a big difference between a great help defender & a great defender. Josh is an average defender but a great help defender. Getting blocks from the weak side or behind is great. Stopping your guy from getting the ball, good position or a decent shot off is much different. I’d like to see the stats on opposing PF’s against Josh last season. I’m sure someone can find them.

Najeh – I want to see how well Josh does when the opposing defense is designed to stop him. He will draw the best defender & consistent double teams. He will be forced outside where he can’t shoot. He doesn’t have the handles to beat a double team off the dribble either. He better develop an outstanding post game or we’re in trouble.

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Please bring back tmac

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“Shouldn’t we (as in you guys) be arguing and debating over who we should get as a head coach? Did any of the successful teams run their game (serious question) based on how the GM wanted to run it? Or did they run their games according their OWN plan and the GM just out fitted them with the key components to help the coach see his vision?”

I’ll go ahead and say it. Based on comments Danny Ferry has made to the media about the style the Hawks will play, and based on the fact that Ferry’s vision for the Hawks is completely contrary to Larry Drew’s coaching style, I will go ahead and predict that Ferry will be the next head coach of the Atlanta Hawks. I think he’s going to do just as Greg Popovich did, assemble the roster as GM then take over as coach. I think this is especially true if Ferry trades for Dwight.

“I’m still very interested to know who takes the last shot in a 101 – 101 game with 4 seconds left on the clock in the 4th quarter and us with the ball.”

Two man game with Josh and Lou. Lou is the least likely Hawk to turn the ball over in those circumstances and can run pick and roll with Josh or get it into the post and be his release valve. Lou is also obviously the best shot creator presently on the Hawks roster.

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Buddy, I’ll be shocked if Ferry puts himself as HC. If he had coaching aspirations, he surely would have been an assistant somewhere by now. Plus, as a GM’s son, he grew up seeing firsthand how Head Coach in the NBA is the least job security of any position in the league. That 6 year deal wouldn’t mean nearly as much if he were failing badly as a coach.

I’d put my money on Mike Budenholzer, who is Pop’s #1 assistant.

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“That 6 year deal wouldn’t mean nearly as much if he were failing badly as a coach.”

Popovich has good job security. If Ferry moved into the head coaching role, he could always hire someone else to replace himself and step back into exclusively a front office role.

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He seems to think he’s qualified to tell Larry Drew that he needs to run the pick and roll more, an offensive innovation Drew wasn’t previously aware of.

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So, Buddy, THAT is your entire reason for thinking he wants to be a coach?

LMFAO. We can disagree on this one. I don’t think he wants to coach even for a second. He’s got his dream job, following his dad’s footsteps.

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Sautee, Ferry has made multiple comments stating affirmatively how he expects the Hawks to play this year. Many of Ferry’s comments are contrary to the style that we’ve come to expect from Drew. So unless he’s just trying to establish a basis to eventually fire Drew and replace him with another coach, I think it’s very possible that Ferry is thinking like a coach because he wants to follow in Popovich’s footsteps, not his dad’s.

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Buddy, Vaughn has two seasons as an assistant. That’s two more than Ferry.

Wanna bet a pitcher of beer on it?

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Exactly, Sautee. I think Ferry understands the game and what is best case scenario given a set of circumstances. In other words he is a strategist which makes him the perfect GM. He may take more of a role is establishing, and optimizing, but he’s not your X/O’s type of guy. I expect he will exert strong leadership and Mentor/coach Drew but not the players. I’m sure he and Drew have agreed on the outlook for the team moving forward and that’s why he can relay what the team’s prospectus is this year.
Having said that is also worth the note, I don’t think he is sold on Drew as a coach or as a leader, which is why he speaks in the place where coaches normally speak. I think the message is clear. If you expect to have an extended career with the Hawks, Drew better learn to speak Ferry and get a better understanding of the game.
From players stand point, I think Ferry is also saying that this is Josh’s team right now, and Drew needs to recognize that too. Drew may not be the coach if Ferry puts D12 and Josh together….. I’m just saying….

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T-s, if we somehow acquire D12, I can’t see LD remaining HC. Actually, unless he coach’s his ass off, I don’t think he’ll be here next year. He may not last the year. I see thin ice.

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“Buddy, Vaughn has two seasons as an assistant.”

How much coaching experience did Mark Jackson have?

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The forwards who I would like to see invited to join us:
1) Al thornton
2) Josh Childress
Childress has gotten a thorough taste of humble pie in the last two seasons and I’m sure he’d like to show the league that he still has a lot to offer an organization. As horrible as he was for Phoenix, his offensive and defensive skill were not that horrible for us. I think he can be the wing man we crave that will take pressure off of our primary ballhandlers and shooters. Plays well without the ball and get to the hole via dribble penetration. Just needs to improve basics like shooting and strengths. With top level shooters on squad now, Childress can get remedial training on proper shot form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WImaFka-6D4

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As some fans can make excuses why not to sign this guy. I see two championship caliber teams are trying to convince this guy to sign with them….

Marc Stein: Free-agent rumble that just dribbled across the pond: Heat & Spurs among teams to express exploratory interest in free agent Andray Blatche Twitter

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Don’t think he’ll get double digit $$ with Mia or SAS.

Bring him to ATL.

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Does anybody on the blog believe Drew will be the Hawks coach past this next season?

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Mc alot of my concerns with Teague and other players playing time was not their total mins played at end of game but more so where they played those mins. A lot of time with Teague in crucial moments of the gm teague would be out and hinrich or pargo would be in. The momentum would either be shifting from us or crucial times down the strecth he would be on the bench while those two would be forcing offense getting burned on defense I saw that piicture so many times last year surprizing to see MC has yet to address Drew or Ferry about that aspect with Teague and others. I can see the same thing happining this yr Teague starts off hot in a gm and then is the first too the bench like he’s not young and he’s needs a rest before everyone else. The biggest issue of our offseason is the management of Drews rotations which thus has been terrible so far! MC you need to address this with Ferry and Drew and not sugarcoat it either. Im not saying go in hard but share some brutally honest opinions that’’s been shared on these blogs regarding that topic. With that being said I think Ferry recognizes this before allstar break and he takes over the coaching for the rest of the yr he will feel that Drew is in over his head and not championship material. He fails too often to make adjustments to counter what the opposing team’s coach is running on the floor. Ferry will see this and Drew will be let go around All-Star break or definitly at the end of the yr!!!!

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I still don’t get why you guys dis on Al. All season while he was hurt you would of thought he couldn’t guard Koncak by tracking this blog. When he came back for playoffs everybody got shut up when he played well despite being out all season. Al is a warrior and the reason this team will be better than expected next season. My biggest concern is perimeter defense because Joe was a Big part of that for us. Only guy Al can’t guard is Dwight and that is far from embarrassing.

Lot of good shooters on this team and if we stay healthy and get Ivan we will hold our own on the boards. Not that important who starts but you might see a surprise starter at 2 or 3 so we can bring some scoring punch off the bench. Stevenson? Or we could trade shooter for more of a slasher.

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That was yet another uninformed idiot who has no clue about the lease at Philips. Hawks aren’t going anywhere. But I’m overwhelmed to have the pity of an idiot.

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“When he came back for playoffs everybody got shut up when he played well despite being out all season” – Payaso

Al came into camp out of shape and tried to speed rush his way into to NBA conditioning which directly led to his Major injury that knocked out his season.

While every one else had to work extremely hard to make a run at the playoffs Al rested.

By the time the 2nd round of the playoffs arrived, injuries were taking its toll on players around the NBA Players were exhausted and worn down from labor.

Enter Al horford the most rested man in the playoffs into the 5th game of the second round With the expectations that he would dominate and overwhelm the tired bodies and the OLD men AKA Boston Celtics.

Instead of overwhelming Al was only marginally better than his career average (15pts),which is 12pt 8 rbs there was nothing great about Al’s performance. Actually it was substandard when you consider it was after a full season of rest and he was playing against tired old men. He should have shined, put up 30 or 40 pts and pulled down 18-25 rebounds.and won the series. Instead he averaged 15,8rbs, 1blk and 4 turnovers. And you want me to celebrate that s hit? Really?

With all that rest and playing against tired old men in the, 5th 6th and 7th games of the 2nd round, the best Al could do was add 3 pts to his career average. Period. That’s it. End of playoff, for the hawks. 6′ 10″ 260lb dud.

You really want me to celebrate that s hit?

I hope they trade you when they trade Al for making such a stupid preposition.

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What kind of sorry is that ? 7 fcking turnovers in 1 game from you center? Really? You call that s hit playing well? See with guys like you around the hawks will never win. You idiots call a substandard performance “playing well” How in the hell can you win 6′10 1/2″ 260lbs Al Horford has 7 turnovers in the 6th pivot game of the 2nd round?

That’s why we lost. Al gave the game away with 7 turnovers.

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Sautee, I agree, Al waits around for Josh to play defense then picks up the rebound and tries to pad his stats. I also agree it would be nice if Al would apply the defense for a change instead of waiting for Josh or some one else to defend the rim. Al is the biggest man on the court for the hawks and all he is doing is free loading rebounds.

Rust? really? LMAO.

By the time Al put on that 7 turnover performance it was the 6th game of the series and Al’’s 3rd playoff game. Funny, Al turns the ball over 7 times in 1 game and you highlight that I missed Al’s career rebound stat by 1… SMFH! Aint that some s hit.

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“Jeff Teague is a lazy defender. He has elite quickness but not elite effort. You obviously didn’t read this:”

Buddy, you have been using that one game to jump to conclusions about who defends point guards well for a good three months now. While you go read about sample sizes on Wikipedia, I’ll go on eBay and order you one of these.

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Blatche es un bluff,un timo,como lo era Marvin.Creo que el mejor 3 disponible es Al Thorton,luego Alonzo Gee.Me gustaría Chris Andersen para el interior también.Un abrazo para hawksordie,estoy contigo compañero!!

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Pedro, escribe un espacio despues de las commas y periods por favor, porque si usted no lo escribe, Google Translate no traduce correctamente.

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Blatche is a bluff, a scam, as it was Marvin. I think the best 3 available is Al Thorton, then Alonzo Gee. I like Chris Andersen to the inside too. A hug for hawksordie, I’m with you mate!
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hug and mate?

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PG,

I’m so glad we don’t have to see Marvin in a Hawks uniform anymore. I don’t care what he does in Utah, I will not miss him in ATL…

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Devin and D12= shot at ECF or beyond

Teague and Al= [NO SHOT] in this time line….

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“Buddy, you have been using that one game to jump to conclusions about who defends point guards well for a good three months now.”

That’s cute Najeh, but I’ve posted highlights of some of the times Rondo caught Teague flat-footed and it was obvious that Teague wasn’t trying very hard on defense. Teague is one of the fastest players in the NBA. There’s exactly one reason why Hinrich (a much slower player) can fight through picks while Teague gets taken out of plays by almost every pick that is set on him. The difference is effort.

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Melvin, did you see the latest Hoopshype rumor about your boy?

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Buddy you are full of crap,come on and tell us how great KH is laughing my azz off.

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Buddy,

Teague is on his first year as a starter.

LD is a useless prick. Why lay all on Teague and leave LD out of the equation?

Teague has the skills and willingness to play good D, he is still wet behind his ears. it’s lack of experience.

Teague has a tendency to lay his arms down when something goes wrong but I am sure that as his game evolves and his trust in himself builds, he will a very good two-way PG.

Remember this: Teague was having a stellar year from 3pt land (shooting close to .400) until he air balled that 3 against the celtics and KG called him “nothing”.

From that point on, he started to brick them. His confidence was shattered.

The same happens on D, Teague is not lazy, he simply lacks the confidence to sustain effort when he starts to get problems with a guy he is supposed to stop. the Celts and Rondo had the upper hand psychologically.

So give him a break and a fair opportunity for him to blossom or not.

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Jerry, I’m gonna wait and see what the final roster looks like before delving into possibilities. I don’t think it will be “as currently constituted”.

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Jerry, I have written many posts defending LD for Game 2. What everyone overlooks is that we STILL had the lead when he got JJ, Josh and Jeff back in the game. Yes, his attempt to get by with a poor offensive lineup cost us some momentum, but if you go back and look at the game log, you’ll see that more than half of that 11 point lead was lost with JJ, Josh, and Jeff IN THE GAME.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you about some goofy rotations he’d try, but to me, Game 2 was NOT lost because of those rotations. But that’s just my lonely opinion.

Despite that, I was disappointed when he was given another year.

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Sautee,

It is more of an overall vew of LD as a coach. I am just not in love with him. I think he cares more about offense than defense but his in game adjustments and substitutions overall leaves a lot to be desired

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Rod,
Like Al Pacino said “They keep pulling me back in”…

Astro,
Yes I saw it and your point?
The quot below is why I think the Hawks would be a good opportunity for him, low cost and playing time.

“Yes, Andray has a place in South Florida and has been working out here, but for a player looking to rebuild his NBA career, there might be better places than a roster where his opportunities could be limited. While it might be worth the risk for the Heat, it might not be a move in Blatche’s best interests”

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“Buddy you are full of crap,come on and tell us how great KH is laughing my azz off.”

That’s funny… I’ve gone into some detail about the fact that I’m not a KH fan, don’t care for his game, and won’t miss him on the Hawks roster. What’s sad is that KH is so slow and yet due to effort and technique he’s a better defender than a player with elite speed and quickness.

“Why lay all on Teague and leave LD out of the equation?”

That’s funny… I’ve written more criticism of Larry Drew as a head coach than all other writers combined.

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“Posting and Toasting” -Walt Clyde Frazier-

Who on this squad can do more posting and toasting? Hmmm

Danny you have so more work to do for sure…

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“Dish than Swish” -Walt Clyde Frazier-

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I find it funny that a guy who finished in the Top 10 in steals for the entire NBA is considered a defender who didn’t give effort.

And about Rondo – he rested toward the end of the season, then suspended for a game in the Playoff series – while Teague, in his 1st season starting, played every game in the compressed schedule, and every playoff game.

I think he was just tired trying to guard Rondo, while Rondo was refreshed and rested.

And Teague looked 3 gazillion times better than Bibby or Jamal at guarding the Point position, so I think I just missed some of his mistakes.

That and the dude was Top 10 in steals among all NBA players. And yes, I know steals are not the end all stat for PG’s on D – but it is a large factor.

I wonder what our +/- was with Teague on the court – and what our D was per 100 possessions or whatever that stat is.

I feel a Northcyde coming on…

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Steals are an effort stat BTW – you usually don’t get alot of steals unless your giving effort.

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*’`steals`’* are a gambling stat !
Many times a “steals” leader, or a player who gets [mucho] steals;
gambles on defense, taking chances,
and not playing sound fundamental, team defense.
Many times teammates must cover when said player overextends
and misses on the steal causing increased pressure on teammates
playing 4 against 5.

This is not always the case.

Josh, for example is a major culprit.
Taking himself out of the play to go for a steal.

Many, many times it is the “law of diminishing returns”.

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BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

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“I told you some of these guys are idiots.”

So you would rather have Blatche on the roster than Ivan Johnson?

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OK, the Hawks have 13 players with guaranteed contracts (including Ivan for the purpose of this discussion). That means they have room for 2 more players at the most. Let’s assume that they are not trading away any players between now and the beginning of the year… how would you feel those two last roster spots (either give me positions or names). Keep in mind, we’re most likely talking about players who won’t earn more than $2M/year (and probably closer to the vet’s minimum).

IMO, I’d sign 2 traditional SFs from the group that includes McGuire, Pietrus, Shawne Williams, Barnes, Childress, Moon and Balkman. While I don’t want to see Lou Williams play PG, I would be willing to go into the season with him as my “emergency 3rd PG”. In my scenario, neither Mike Scott nor Keith Benson get a contract from the Hawks.

What say you, caller?

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AJ, I’d sign Pietrus and Benson, and call it a wrap. Most second unit SF’s can’t post up, so on the second unit, you can get away with a 3 guard line up more often than not.

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And add Martell Webster, Julian Wright and Antoine Wright to my list of Dollar General SFs.

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Also, I misspelled “oops”

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Ra’mon, I could go with your plan. I’d really like to keep Benson and groom him to become our back-up center when Zaza leaves next summer.

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Astro,

I would still dump Jordan Williams and sign Blatche and a SF from your list. Then leave an open roster spot for flexibility/emergency purposes.

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To add, I would prefer to have a young proven NBA talent (Blatche) as the 12-15th man on the bench then a boreline NBA talent like Benson or Jordan Williams They all will cost around the same monies, so give me the proven guy. Small risk, more upside.

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Oops, “feel” the roster? Need more coffee. Fill the roster spots. (I’m not really “feeling” this roster). Melvin, I figured that you’d change the rules (i.e., drop Jordan Williams).

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Astro,

Keep Jordan (ugh), sign Blatche and a SF.

Although, I think Ferry is going to use that TPE. Sign&Trade for Carlos Delfino????

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Melvin, I’d dump 2-3 of those stale Twinkies that we picked up for our perennial All-Star. And while I like Delfino (he was good for me a few years ago in fantasy basketball), I’d prefer a true SF as opposed to a SG/SF tweener. My rule of thumb, if someone like Granger can easily shoot over or post-up our SF, then that is a problem. That is why I’m not so sure that Delfino, Pietrus or Damien Wilkins are the right fit for the team as currently constructed. A 6′6″ SF standing between a 6′2″ SG (Lou) and a 6′9″ PF (Josh) just seems SMALL to me.

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I’m not really “feeling” this roster” – AJ

I’m not feeling this roster either. It’s already apparent (during the roster makeover) the absence of Marvin’s length and his defensive rating of 96 (this past season) at the SF position are not easily replaceable. Anything in the dollar-tree market (at this point) will fall short. If Danny rid himself of Marvin for cap relief next season, I can’t see him trading for a replacement SF that is less filling for the same value.

Another justification as to why this upcoming season is a write-off. The Hawks will score but they will be unable to stop anyone including the lottery-bound teams.
This idea of the Hawks being an exciting team that will now routinely lose may be too much of paradox to comprehend.

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The Truth, folk who are convinced the Hawks will be entertaining must think that watching their team lose 111-107 is more exciting than watching a 94-90 victory.

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Grandad – Not all steals come from gambling. Besides mistakes, many come from smarts and quickness.

Ra’mon – See above about Iverson – but he probably did gamble more than most.

But Teague, if you watch the games, rarely gambles and gets caught out of position. Oh, it happens sometimes – but his steals come primarily from a good case of the quicks, and getting in a passing lane.

The guys a good overall defender, and his D, like Conley and most of the other PG’s of that caliber, should improve this year over last year.

Year older, year smarter. Year more starting experience in Teague’s case.

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Buddy, I think Vaughn was an assistant coach, which is a step above a player development coach (which is what Atkinson was and NVE is now). For example, Kenny Gattison is an assistant coach, while NVE is the player development coach.

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Steve, I agree. I think Teague is the best defensive PG since Mookie in Atlanta.

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I don’t understand this talk about the HAWKS being exciting, like that means anything! They can’t stop anybody and at best will be a 6-8 seed, if they make the playoffs at all! I’m certain Ferry is looking to trade several players to get a SF, once he can legally start moving Petro, Morrow, Harris, Williams and Stevenson. So, I will pass judgement on this team’s roster until sometime during training camp. As for the players they got in the JJ trade, Morrow is the only keeper to me.

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Melvin, my concern about Blatche is that Drew’s staff has been sub-standard in the area of developing players who did not have commitment issues. Drew’s staff certainly hasn’t proven capable of executing any reclamation projects, unless you consider Ivan one. This Atkinson hire could address a real shortcoming in player development that predates the Woody era. A move like that would make me much more confident that the Hawks coaching staff is equipped to give Blatche the guidance he obviously needs.

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SteveW, I think the Hawks wouldn’t mind Teague leaving in a sign and trade deal next off season. And offensively, I’m not totally sure Teague is better than Hill. Hill had some big time games while in SAS. I see Teague signing for a Conley type of a deal.

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“No telling what Teague’s going to get this off season.”

Which is probably why Ferry wants to start and showcase Teague to build trade value. Why pay Teague $10 million when you have a better point guard under contract for less than half that? Teague is trade bait.

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