Atlanta Hawks: Podcast: Offseason review

I joined Matt Moore of CBSSports.com for a podcast reviewing the Hawks’ offseason so far. My segment begins at about 18:30 but, by all means, also check out the opening with Jason Walker of Peachtree Hoops.

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pointguardslim

August 3rd, 2012
4:49 pm

Hope you mentioned Smith as the 3 :D

Buddy Grizzard

August 3rd, 2012
4:54 pm

Won’t be able to listen until later this evening. MC, any thoughts on the Hawks obtaining a small forward? Barnes, T-Mac and Pietrus look to be the best remaining options.

Michael Cunningham

August 3rd, 2012
5:05 pm

@Buddy: haven’t heard anything on who they are targeting. it appears we are at that time during FA when guys who thought they were going to get paid are realizing there’s no money out there and readjusting expectations. from your list, I like Pietrus best.

Rod from College Park

August 3rd, 2012
5:08 pm

“as for k.love last year, he had two great years in a row and even though his team was not 1-8 seed at the break the twolves were very close.”

The year before that Blatche went for 14 and 6. So he actually had two good seasons in a row also.

UGA

August 3rd, 2012
5:23 pm

In terms of free agency, it looks like Pietrus could go to Milwaukee and we could get Delfino. Delfino would start here I think. After that, we should look at Martell Webster in my opinion. We were not on Josh Howard’s list. Apparently we do not want TMAC back, who was not bad and underused I thought. Barnes would be fine but we usually stay away from those with a criminal background. Childress would be nice, but he cannot shoot.

Sautee

August 3rd, 2012
5:27 pm

FTPB:

“Lou Is NOT better at taking care of the ball that Jeff.” – Balance is Key

Too bad the numbers tell a different story:

Among guards, Lou had the #5 spot in assist to TO ratio at 3.11 / 1.0

Teague was 30th at 2.4 / 1.0, still a respectable number, and Teague WILL be improving. But for the present, based on last season’s nimbers, Lou is demonstrably better at taking care of the ball than Jeff.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=00&season=22011&conf=OVERALL&position=5&splitType=9&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=6&splitDD=All%20Teams

(click on the AST / TO tab on the top right to assort the order)

hawksfancents95

August 3rd, 2012
5:29 pm

Alonzo Gee!!
then Dominic Mcguire
then Matt Barnes
then Mickael Pietrus(will fo to MIL most likely)
please no delfino and TMAC aint coming back

SteveW

August 3rd, 2012
5:34 pm

TMac was hampered by the compressed schedule last season. I think, if he’s reasonably healthy, he could give you 15-20 minutes a nite, because you would have more off days this season.

I could live with a bunch of the SF’s currently available, including Delfino and Pietrus – and Gee, Barnes etc.

Not a big Martell Webster fan – Marvin 2.0 – Even has the same initials.

UGA

August 3rd, 2012
5:46 pm

Gee would be nice, but I think he goes back to the Cavs.
I really like McGuire, but we need a shooter at this spot

Najeh Davenpoop

August 3rd, 2012
5:58 pm

Delfino and T-Mac would be nice. I still haven’t given up on T-Mac.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 3rd, 2012
5:59 pm

Also like McGuire. Pietrus maybe, but McGuire seems like he’s the same thing as Pietrus with more length and upside.

Astro Joe

August 3rd, 2012
6:00 pm

Add Dominc McGuire and Shawne Williams to the list with Barnes, Pietrus and Delfino. Both McGuire and Williams have more size/bulk to at least get in the way of the more physical SFs in the conference. Pietrus, Barnes and Delfino seem to be more like SG/SF tweeners

Sam

August 3rd, 2012
6:03 pm

Any idea if the Hawks have any interest in former Wizards player Blatche? He could play some backup 4. We could probably get him for a good price. Just wonder if Drew could put up with the attitude…

Najeh Davenpoop

August 3rd, 2012
6:12 pm

“Too bad the numbers tell a different story:

Among guards, Lou had the #5 spot in assist to TO ratio at 3.11 / 1.0

Teague was 30th at 2.4 / 1.0, still a respectable number, and Teague WILL be improving. But for the present, based on last season’s nimbers, Lou is demonstrably better at taking care of the ball than Jeff.”

This is where numbers don’t tell the whole story. Yeah, Lou had a much better turnover rate than Teague, but he also came off the bench and was a designated gunner whose role was entirely to get buckets, not to set up teammates.

Lou has never been a starting point guard in the league for a full season. The point guard position brings with it a totally different set of responsibilities, and there’s no guarantee that Lou’s A/T and turnover rate will remain at their current levels if he is given that added responsibility. I’m not saying he can’t do it, but stats are misleading in this instance.

Najeh Davenpoop

August 3rd, 2012
6:13 pm

“Gee would be nice, but I think he goes back to the Cavs.”

Cavs signed CJ Miles, who presumably is taking Gee’s roster spot and role in the rotation.

vava74

August 3rd, 2012
6:13 pm

Rod:

““It’s not that Bynum ran over him, but his stats were substantially better than for instance Perkins in the second round.

McGee flourished, but to call him dominant on D is a stretch.”

The above sentence had an obvious mistake:

Bynum’s stats – although not overwhelming – were substantially better against McGee than AGAINST Perkins (hence, Perkins probably did a better defensive job than JaVale.

Bottom line: McGee may have flourished and improved but he was NOT A DOMINANT DEFENSIVE CENTER.

UGA

August 3rd, 2012
6:25 pm

Cavs signed CJ Miles, who presumably is taking Gee’s roster spot and role in the rotation.

I know, but the Cavs beat writer says that they still want to keep Gee for the QO…..

Sautee

August 3rd, 2012
6:25 pm

Najeh, the quote I was referring to only said something about taking care of the ball. The raw stats favor Lou. But as far as playmaking, I’d certainly favor Jeff. And Jeff’s ast / to ratio WILL improve as he gets more experienced.

Also, since Lou played fewer minutes than Jeff, I figured their to / min played:

Lou: 1 to / 23 min played.

Jeff: 1 to / 16 min played.

So just as a matter of ball security, Lou was better, but with his greater experience, you’d expect that to be so. I’m VERY interested to see how Jeff does this year.

UGA

August 3rd, 2012
6:26 pm

But, I would like Gee the best

steven a smith

August 3rd, 2012
6:38 pm

Hope Danny takes a long look at “injury prone” Greg Oden. I still believe he could be one of the greatest comeback stories of all time!

BigTimeTECHFan

August 3rd, 2012
7:18 pm

I Think Hawks should start:

A Hortford PF
K Benson C
J Smith SF
L Williams SG
J Teague PG

If Benson is getting beat, send in I Johnson and move Hortford to C

Rod from College Park

August 3rd, 2012
7:46 pm

“Bynum’s stats – although not overwhelming – were substantially better against McGee than AGAINST Perkins (hence, Perkins probably did a better defensive job than JaVale.”

You do realize that Bynum was guarded by Perkins and Ibaka in the OKC series right and also Collison. No way to make that comparison. Do you actually watch the games?

BigTimeTECHFan

August 3rd, 2012
7:55 pm

I smoke a whole lot more weed than the rest of you, so here is my drug induced thinking…

I Think Hawks should start:

A Hortford PF
K Benson C
J Smith SF
L Williams SG
J Teague PG

If Benson is getting beat, send in I Johnson and move Hortford to C

Bootsy

August 3rd, 2012
8:08 pm

I’ll take McGee over Al, thats an easy one and Harris over teague, another easy one. ohh thats right it williams vs teague, I take william too because he much smarter. Teague’s errors dont come from inexperience. Hes been ballin all his life. His turnovers comes because hes not very bright, not a think. The way to improve teague is not with playing time is with a brain transplant.

TECHFan, You’d have to be smoking weed to take one of the best NBA power forwards in the game and replace him with a very average guy like Al horford.

Bootsy

August 3rd, 2012
8:09 pm

**not a thinker.

Perry Mason

August 3rd, 2012
8:18 pm

pointguardslim

August 3rd, 2012
4:49 pm

Hope you mentioned Smith as the 3 :D

Thats just plan stupid. The only reason you ask for such an idiotic move is to find a place for Al who is a very weak defending center (would still be a weak defender at powerforward). Nothing in your thinking makes the hawks a better team. Josh is unquestionably one of the best power forwards in the league and the best power forward on this team. Moving Josh from power forward makes us a weaker team, Josh unhappy, fans displeased and teammate argue. The only person that stupid move benefits is Al. and his few but loud fans.

Idiots

Perry Mason

August 3rd, 2012
8:49 pm

Melvin

August 3rd, 2012
9:26 pm

I would be at his front doorstep with a vet min contract in hand…

“According to a source close to Blatche, the seven-year veteran has several teams after him. He could be open to the veteran’s minimum because no matter how much he signs for, he’ll still collect $7.1 million next season from the Wizards after getting amnestied. There are also some insiders who predict he’ll go to a situation where he can start for an up-and-coming team, so he can boost his profile and then look for an eight-figure salary next offseason”

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/22871/source-chris-andersen-open-to-vets-min

Astro Joe

August 3rd, 2012
9:59 pm

As for Blatche, Miller added that teams have not made any significant overtures to sign him as of yet. Washington Post

Melvin, sounds like you can have a nice leisurely breakfast before ringing the door bell. Feel free to have a second cup of coffee.

Melvin

August 3rd, 2012
10:10 pm

Hmmmm, could he be getting ready to turn his career around…

Jared Zwerling: Andray Blatche is currently in Houston at former NBA player John Lucas’ camp. He goes to Miami soon for more training. Has a place in Miami. about 1 hour ago

Jay

August 3rd, 2012
11:27 pm

This roster is Golden State east. That’s not a good thing.

SteveW

August 3rd, 2012
11:30 pm

I don’t know if we could slide Gee into some of the Trade exception money we have, but trading Jordan Williams and a 2nd pick would probably be a good move for Gee. S/T Pargo if they want him also.

I’m not sure how much his QO is from the Cavs

SteveW

August 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

I do hope Teague takes that next step up, like Conley did from 23 to 24.

Many current PG’s made a quantum leap from age 23 – Teague’s age last season, to say age 26.

If Teague takes that route – we have a good one for some time to come.

But man, are there ever alot of good PG’s in the NBA right now.

pointguardslim

August 3rd, 2012
11:34 pm

Get over yourself. Josh is a top 5 SF in the league going off a number of stats. Number 1 defense rebounder, total rebounder and up there in offensive boards. Steals, are up there.

Durant couldn’t do crap with Josh on him. If the Hawks had Pachulia healthy the Hawks would have beaten Boston with Josh at the 3. You’re probably just a McGrady fan :/

pointguardslim

August 3rd, 2012
11:38 pm

Don’t think Pietrus is signing for the vet minimum in Atlanta. Milwaukee is interested in him. Then there’s always Boston, unless he feels slighted…

But why the same formula? Swapping Joe and Marvin for Lou Williams/Anthony Morrow and Pietrus is a recipe for lottery land, and unless you get a top pick then what’s the point. Next year is a very weak draft.

pointguardslim

August 3rd, 2012
11:41 pm

Didn’t I say this in so many words the last blog? Players in contract years tend to play their best.
And he’s apparently working hard with John Lucas Sr. and working out in Miami, I say take him and then ship him out so we can get Dwight next year.
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“According to a source close to Blatche, the seven-year veteran has several teams after him. He could be open to the veteran’s minimum because no matter how much he signs for, he’ll still collect $7.1 million next season from the Wizards after getting amnestied. There are also some insiders who predict he’ll go to a situation where he can start for an up-and-coming team, so he can boost his profile and then look for an eight-figure salary next offseason”

Rick

August 3rd, 2012
11:41 pm

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HAWKSORDIE

August 4th, 2012
1:54 am

why Not put Josh Smith at 3 ? with horford 4. and zaza at 5!!! if it dont work after 8-10 games switch ..that’s the beauty of trial and error …Not to mention I will bet wuth teague pg Jenkins sg..Josh. sf..al. pf…zaza C. we beat 8outta ten Teams…!!

HAWKSORDIE

August 4th, 2012
2:00 am

we actually gotta helluva squad as it is …deshawn Stevenson is a natural 3…defense specialist ..why all u doubters of my hawks thinking we are in a bind?? we are more prepared now than we have been since. nique..For real..and I wish everyone would shut up with lottery seas…wtf. u think hawks aren’t top 5??? I KNOW hawks will be top 4 so copy n paste this post when April comes ..idiots

HAWKSORDIE

August 4th, 2012
2:02 am

oh and………….GO HAWKS. !!! DAMMIT… PERIOD

HAWKSORDIE

August 4th, 2012
2:08 am

we were #4 seed with hinrich. n zaza no al n a mediocre bench ..now we have substantial scorers with young legs and Lou n korver …n list goes on..miss me with the doubts..and Josh Smith is top5. pf. orrrr sf..period

vava74

August 4th, 2012
2:26 am

Rod,

I guess that poor old McGee plays alone!?!

You just mentioned 2 other guys who are better defending man to man than McGee. You made my point.

Rusty

August 4th, 2012
3:30 am

All that bull crap but no mention of one of our biggest problems which is Larry Drew.

vava74

August 4th, 2012
5:19 am

PointGuardSlim,

Josh on Durant is suicide.

Josh like to roam back into the paint for his defensive gambles.

That equates to clean wide open looks for Durant from 3 point land. So open that it would be like FTs for him.

EmirS.

August 4th, 2012
7:57 am

Kinda got agree with Rusty…

You can bring in all these super cool and amazingly interesting players (sarcasm), but with LD being the head of the snake….shouldn’t we (as in you guys) be arguing and debating over who we should get as a head coach? I think it’s great that Danny Ferry has come out and said that our game will be run through our guards more…but realistically speaking…..the game we play is decided by the coach. The fact that Mr. Ferry had to come out and state the obvious is more reason, to me, that Mr. Drew belongs back int he assistant role. Did any of the successful teams run their game (serious question) based on how the GM wanted to run it? Or did they run their games according their OWN plan and the GM just out fitted them with the key components to help the coach see his vision?

I know many of you like to say that we are a joke till we get a Superstar or at least a VERY good All-Star. And you wouldn’t be wrong for saying that. However, I believe we are a joke till we get a well respected enough head coach who is known for his style of play and the GM is willing to surround that coach with the necessary asses to run his(coach) style of play.

Btw, I’m still very interested to know who takes the last shot in a 101 – 101 game with 4 seconds left on the clock in the 4th quarter and us with the ball of course…..

EmirS.

August 4th, 2012
7:58 am

The game the players*

Not we….

EmirS.

August 4th, 2012
7:59 am

Assets not Asses…..

Its 8 am on a Saturday morning…hop off….

BravesFan79

August 4th, 2012
8:54 am

Someone said we were “not on Josh Howards list” Like wed want that scumbag on the team? Have you seen the video of him not saluting the American Flag and talking sht?? If not, youtube it.
Besides the fact hes a worthless POS as a person, Josh Howard is a crap basketball player, notice how the Mavs won the title After he was long gone!

BravesFan79

August 4th, 2012
8:57 am

My choice, is bring back one of my favorite players of all time to watch: T Mcgrady. Imagine him on the court setting up all the 3pt shooting we now have with his brillant passing.