Atlanta Hawks: Jeff Teague looks forward to being ‘focal point’

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Wish you the best Mr. Teague

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Did we use the 5 million trade exception to get Korver or do we still have that along with the one for Green?

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It’s still all about the “inner dog” with Teague. Passing up wide open shots late in games. Not demanding the ball after a defensive rebound. Not finishing drives with confidence (”I thought guys could come over and block it”). I’m hoping for improvement, that next step, this year.

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I don’t know if Teague should be talking about being “that third guy” on the same team as a player who is ranked in the top 10 in PER as a point guard and who would be ranked in the top 5 (ahead of Joe Johnson) if he was ranked as a shooting guard.

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The $5M exception was traded for Korver. Willie’s is $1.35M, I think.

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Focal point of what? A trade?

TRAGIC!!!

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<<More worried abt what the 2013-14 Hawks will look like.

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““He didn’t know how the trade and stuff would go but he knew I was going to be a focal point.”

I have the same question as DMB, MC. Clear up this comment.

Is this about Devin coming in?

Last week, I heard Teague’s interview on 790 and he has yet to talk or even meet Devin. Maybe its premature, but I would think there would be some communication this far into the trade.

MC, any update on Ivan, the lone guy we might re-sign from Sund’s roster from last year?

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Ivan for President!

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We could only wish

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I guess we aren’t serious about winning. A scrub like teague takes us no where. The project continues. Im out. going to root for the Lakers. See you idiots later.

Stop lying. You have nowhere to go. And you know it.

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Blodus. Maybe you sux

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Since JJ disappeared anyway in the playoffs, I don’t see how this team does worse on offense without him.

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“Good to hear that Teague isn;t as threatened by competition as his blog fans who seem to shake in their boots with the very thought that another PG on the team may also know how to dribble the ball and breath at the same time.”

How does one dribble their breath?

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By laving out a crtain vowl. Duh.

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@See ya next year

Yeah. This is the same ol stuff. It just gets old after a while. Why even bother. I kinda pulling for OK myself. Hawks just are interested in winning. Im tired of rooting for a team I know is going know where.

Go Durant!!

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“Lou Williams is nobody’s starter, really. He’s another good sixth man who comes in and scores in bunches. We’ve paid more for that before, and with an older player who was never going to be even close to adequate on defense.”

Big Ray is somebody trolling your handle? You do know that it’s Lou Williams I’m talking about when I say ranked in the 10 among point guards in PER and would be ranked in the top 5 if he was listed as a shooting guard right? Lou Williams = top 10 PER at either guard position.

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“I”

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Danny Ferry may have informed Drew that Teague will be the starter because he’s planning to sign James Harden to a max offer sheet after this season and pair him in the back court with Lou Williams. Lou is more of a shooting point while Harden has great playmaking ability for a two guard. Ferry needs Teague to start so that he can build value to use him in a trade. Devin Harris is just an expiring contract. Lou Williams is the future at point guard for the Atlanta Hawks.

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I guess that last post should have been by The Dept. of Intended Irony.

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If Drew has to consistently encourage JQuick to demand the rebounded ball in the backcourt, it may just be that JQuick doesn’t quite have the ‘team leader’ on court personality you’d want in a point guard. No head coach has to coax the really good young point guards in the league to demand the ball in the backcourt, it’s a part of their DNA to instinctively go get it. Kid’s got the physical gifts, but may not quite have the psychological make-up to be the point the Hawks need for the future. Too bad the Hawks were a pick shy of Ty Lawson.

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@Buddy Grizzard My bad Buddy, I had a dick in my mouth and was busy working my mojo.

Yeah I see your point Williams > Teague for sho!

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I’m just rejoicing over the fact that Joe and Marvin are gone..

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“That link of Jeff did not include his highlights from last season” – That’s my point!!

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There wasn’t much to show.

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Harris will be starting by the end of camp!

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Smh, why does this guy make up so many names and bashes jeff teague. Grow up please.

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falCans did i say i was a teague fan?

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Buddy Grizzard

August 1st, 2012
9:08 pm

“Lou Williams is nobody’s starter, really. He’s another good sixth man who comes in and scores in bunches. We’ve paid more for that before, and with an older player who was never going to be even close to adequate on defense.”

Buddy “THE IDIOT” strikes again. CLEARLY you know absolutely nothing about Basketball. Lou Williams can be a starter in this league! Please Buddy, stick to your “trailer Park” quips, quotes, and so on.

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yeah that troll love to come on here with all them different names and bash me. Whats up with that man.

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I’ll be waiting for Devin Harris to take over the lineup – based partly on play and partly on LD’s desperate need to let veterans run his team no matter the circumstance.

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Here you go a quote from your GM giving the team to Teague to lead…

“Danny Ferry’s statement that the Hawks “will be more of Jeff’s team than it has ever been.”

All you need to know about your future team leader…

“I feel like it’s my time to step up and be a leader along with Josh and Al and try to be that third guy.”

Did Teague just say no thanks Danny I am cool…I am good in 3rd position???? Seems he learned a lot from JJ…who also did not want to lead!

Now we have cap room and will wait around for another guard addition…Chris Paul. Right now he is pretty much being handled by the Olympic opposition and the referees are calling the offensive fouls…where he creates contact on drives while dribbling the rock.

Remember, this team is still led by ASG, as much as we want to give Danny credit, they are still stuffing the coffers with cash…when will they spend on talent??????

Free Agent pool has run dry….now what???

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Get Blatche!!!!!

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Buddy G,

I will give you another example. Hinrich’s PER last year was cr@p but his role as SG along Teague and with JJ at the SF seemed to work fine for us, in spite of him having very little to boast about stat wise due to his rapidly diminishing game.

And you have been one of his biggest advocates… so?

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Where does PER rate: altered shots, opponents not being able to establish position in the post, opponents being forced to dribble to into help D, or opponents forced to dribble to where they are less effective?

If you look into the list above, Bledsoe should start over Paul…

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I see the negative BS continues.

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i would think it would be obvious to any true basketball fan that the hawks are not done making moves….in the mean time we have a lot of guys that can score the ball….i betcha sometime during the season we will see another move or 2…..i would prefer to play the season out with what we have, and throw money at the free agents that come available next summer…..anyway, if you dont like what the hawks are putting together, get nba league pass, figure out who’s gonna win it all, and root for them…you fairweather chickens!

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He will arrive when he stops seeing himself as the third option. Step up son, now’s the time.

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So I guess at this point, the question that’s most relevant to people on this blog is, does Hollinger’s PER rankings overrate Lou Williams, who is top 10 as a point guard and would be top 5 if he was ranked as a shooting guard, ahead of Joe Johnson. If you think of Lou as a two guard, here is where the rankings cannot account for the difference in defensive impact between Lou and Joe. What it does tell you is that Lou fills up a box score in a variety of ways.

I don’t think Chris Paul is leaving the Clippers after this season. I think Harden is a much more reasonable possibility. Lets say someone signs Ibaka to an offer sheet next offseason and the Thunder match, then the Hawks sign Harden to a max offer sheet. There is a possibility they don’t match, and the Hawks could go into next season with a starting back court of Lou at point and Harden at two. I like that back court. Teague is trade bait.

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I’m heading into this season as if we are going to contend for a top playoff spot, meaning we will have another move or 2.

Looking at Josh’s game the last 2 years, there’s one thing that Josh needs to improve on this offseason, its his FTs. 62% isn’t going to get it done if you want to contend. He did shoot 76% in the playoffs however. He has to do this for us to contend.

MIA – their big 3 shot 1078 FTs in the regular season. Josh led us with 322. LBJ shot 502, DWade 297 and Bosh with 279. The worse percentage from those 3 was 77%. If Josh is in fact our leader, he needs to be at the stripe a lot more than his current total.

Lou helps us big time in that area. He gives us a legit scoring threat to get 292 FTA in 26 mpg. Both of those totals should increase in his role here.

I know Teague may see himself as threat #3, but I think it’s Josh/Lou & Al for now. Not bad on the offensive side IMO, but the defense will take on a new look.

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The problem is not Teague starting its him getting pulled at crucial points in the game and staying on the bench too long. This all goes back to Coach Drew inability to manage his rotations based on the flow of the game. He would sit people when they are hot then try to bring them back when the momentum switches. Under Ferry Drew wont last long unless he makes major strides in that area which he probaly wont especially now that his GM really knows basketball he will try to play it safe too often. Drew right now is the weak link not our roster!

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This is Teague’s “no excuse” season. Even if he has to take a beat down from Josh Smith, he has to establish himself as the floor leader or sit on the bench and wait to be traded. No excuses.

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I think that’s a little premature to hand Teague the mantle as franchise player. He proved to be a solid starter, but has yet to show that he is capable of rising his game to such a high level

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JT’S HOOPS BLOG-That’s the same type of thinking that former HC MWoodson used in order to keep Teague firmly anchored to the bench while he continued to start and give heavy mins to his preferred joke of a PG MBibby. If fact, LDrew used the same approach, and for the same reason, to keep Bibby as the starting PG. Everytime Teague was given extended mins, he produced. He certainly produced a helluva lot more than Bibby in those limited opportunities, expecially on DEF.

When I read the comment, I didn’t get the idea that Drew or Ferry was inferring that he would be annointed the FRANCHISE PLAYER, just a key core figure as our starting PG.

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I think we should get good production from Teague because hes motivated and is showing the desire to be an elite point guard in the nba. I feel that we need to sign a center or trade for one an move Al and Josh to respective 3 & 4. We need to start Harris at the 2 guard and let Lou Williams be our backup point guard. We could start another project piece and go after Hassan Whiteside a legit 7-footer who has all the intangibles just needs to commit to winning and being a dominant center. And I feel we should sign Keith Benson who has the same upside just he would be a stretch 4 in our future.Lastly I think we should make a trade for Donte Greene or Austin Daye great backup 3s and potentially future stars in the league. Along with Teague, Whiteside, Benson and Greene/Daye and Jenkins would be our future to build off of now and would learn from our stars now to flourish in the league preparring for the day Josh Smith Al Horford and Devin Harris are no longer here these guys would all be in their primes and would pick up the slack and fill the shoes of these guys.

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Strickland, that racist comment came from the troll, not from me. Really, how is it that you can’t tell the difference at this point?

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You guys shouldnt take Teagues comments to heart considering the fact that he says what and how he feels at the present time but when he steps on the court with his ‘CONTINUAL’ new found freedom, Teague always seems to rise to the occasion. What I mean is, remember during Teague’s final summer league, I think it was the year after last summer league, when he was down on himself with all his turnovers and all, most on this blog read too much into his comments when he said something in this nature, “Well, thats ok, I will just give the ball to Joe or Josh and not have to worry about turnovers.” LOL, of course im sure he didnt say those EXACT words but us true Hawks fans remember something in that nature.

Well, we all saw how well he did in that following year once he had the freedom to make mistakes and not be taken out because of it. The best thing that could have happen for Teague was for Kirk to get hurt and allow our young PG to blossom. So Im not concern with him thinking “being that 3rd guy”. Once he steps on the court, he WILL be looking for his!! Along with Horford as well. He too has much to prove and Im looking forward to it!!

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It doesn’t matter what Teague “thinks”. It matters what Drew will “do”.

MC . . . you dang right most of us are concerned with how Drew will handle a roster with 3 guards 6 – 3 and under, who all are probably better off at the PG position.

Harris is a guy who is used to being the lead dog on his team.

Lou Williams is a hyper-aggressive guard who looks to score . . . period

So with two guys like that on the team, Teague BETTER take control of this team. Because if he doesn’t, Drew will take control away from him and play those other two guys.

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northcyde,

co-sign. if Teague doesn’t assert himself, he will be on the bench before Christmas.

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AJ = I agree with your point – It is on LD if the players don’t give up the ball to JT, not on JT.

Of course Rondo’s moxy would be a good addition to JT’s aresenal.

Let’s face it: JT’s probably going to be a really good PG. Not elite, but really good – and good enough to win a Championship if surrounded by the proper pieces.

But JT’s a RFA after this season – and judging by how folks overpaid for Dragic, Lin, and some others this off season – I wonder what JT is going to get? 8 mill per season?

I was kind of hoping to keep him for 5 or 6 mill per.

But if we sign CP3, I could deal with losing Jeff.

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We are going to have to morph into Phoenix, Denver, San Antonio this season – because the D will be lacking.

Josh can block/alter some shots. Most people don’t take into account altered shots – probably 3 altered shots for every 1 blocked. And most altered shots are missed. Never mind the other havoc having a shot blocker has on a team.

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But it is a fact that 3 of our top 5 players are under 6-3. That part is going to be interesting.

BG – And I just don’t think Lou is an ideal PG – great PER, but no pass first, or for that matter, second, third, or fourth mentality.

And Harris has always been accused of that also – score 1st, pass second. He’s almost 30, and just morphing into more of a true PG.

But that seems to be the game the NBA is becoming as well with their PG’s.

I’m still mad we traded the original JT – Jason Terry – he averaged over 7 assist a game, and we ditch him because he’s not a true PG. What idiots.

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Lou is going to be a big key this season. Can’t wait to see if he starts or comes off the bench. I think he’ll have a big season either way. 26, in his hometown, going for 17 a nite wouldn’t surprise me from him.

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“Anybody heard how ZaZa’s rehab is coming? Last I heard, he couldn’t start running until July.”

So far, I’m getting a dial tone on the other end of this question, Steve.
I have asked for the last 2 months, with no update. I know he went to Harvard, that’s all we’ve heard about Zaza this offseason.

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I guess Josh was right when he said he couldn’t publicly demand a trade without being fined.

Point/Counterpoint: A Rule Against Trade Demands?
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In the NBA, players are not permitted to demand a trade in the press. It’s a fineable offense, but that hasn’t stopped upcoming free agents from holding their team hostage and dictating where they’re going to land by refusing to commit long-term to certain teams. Even though the information isn’t coming directly from the player, the message is sent by an agent or “source close to the player.”

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KenS talking about D12 vs. Bynum earlier……..

D12 better than Bynum any day of the week. Bynum wants to be D12 and while they are both knuckleheads and both get deserving technical fouls, Bynum to me is the more hothead than D12.
I can see MWP rubbing off on Bynum.

Would I take either if I could get them? Of course, but I think D12 brings more to the team than Bynum. Bynum has had way more help than D12.

You have to have elite to win in this league and right now Danny doesn’t have elite. He needs to find it though and I’m ready for him to make it happen soon.

And dump our coach and quit wasting our time with his schemes. There’s easily better brains out there to get this team moving forward. All LD has done is stay the course. He was handed a 2nd round team and now he has a 1st round team.

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FWIW, last year’s league stats on Technical Fouls….

Josh is a top performer, like we all know already.

LD barely makes a whimper….

http://mediacentral.nba.com/media/mediacentral/TechStatus.pdf

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Joes contract was so crucial on so many fronts. A fair deal to him and the city sets up The move that should have been made A YEAR ago Al and Marvin for Howard. Add in Cp3 next summer and the trophys would have been rolling in. But now this looks like they will need those trampolines the Sky Squad use to get some size on the court. Oh well, let’s try again in another 10 years.

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” This indicates to me that PER has “some” level of accuracy and value, not that it is the be-all, end-all tool for comparing players. ”

And yet you are using PER as your sole reason to anoint a guy as a starter who has only started 38 games in his entire career.

Teague has started more games in his career than Lou Williams has. If anything, Lou has more to prove to win a starting job than Teague does.

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D12 should and will be the focus of Danny plans to build a championship here.. D12 is 3> the defensive player B-hothead is.

D12 is an Elite player and would take the Atlanta Hawks to an ECF and beyond in no time with Danny acquiring the players to surround him with..
D12 lost his stout perimeter defenders and shooters after that run to the finals in 07. That is why his teams have struggled to advance beyond the 1st round…

“Boxscores and in general stats in bbal are deceiving and strictly a reference. “Eye test” and “overall team success” are substantially more accurate assessments IMO.” -vava74-

Cosign..

[Eye test] says: Teague’s jumper needs much work! Fix it dude!

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O’B, I think this team would beat last year’s team in a 5 game series. I think offensively, the Hawks will have a top 5 offensive back court tandem when you add Teague, Jenkins, Lou, and Devin. And if they’re smart enough to run a lot of high posts and pick & rolls it will only lead to better shots for the guards. I see baskets being easier to come by than they were last season. And I think we will see a couple of 40 points quarters.

I know there will be certain teams the Hawks can’t beat with this lineup. But its a great situation in what is gearing up for a overhaul next summer. The Hawks managed to be competitive while clearing cap space. The alternative is the Knicks.

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[...] • Jeff Teague talks about his role on the new-look Hawks. [...]

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re: Why do hawks take ball out of Teague’s hands?

There’s good reason for that. A PG has play under control. Jeff in the past has not displayed the leadership qualities needed from your PG during crunch time. I think he’ll get there, but he’s a work-in-progress.

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Grandad – What I was referring to in regards to San Antonio is they became an offensive juggernaut last season, finishing 2nd in the League in pts scored at 103.7 ppg.

They also finished 16th in Pts allowed at 96.7 per game or so.

So it was in much major media and discussion how Pops, playing to the talent he had available, turned San Antonio into the Phoenix Suns/Denver Nuggets, and won with a somewhat different style than in years past. They would outscore you this past season, rather than just winning with D, rebounding, and some solid offensive execution.

Top 5 Hawks in my book, in this order:

Josh
Al
Lou
Harris
Teague

With ZaZa 6th, probably Morrow 7th, Ivan 8th, and Korver 9th. I’m going to guess Jordan Jenkins is going to be 10th or higher – then Stevenson and Petro to round out the top 12.

Not bad.

And also – Harris has always had the label of a score 1st PG, not a facilitator. Reading the comments about him from a Jazz announcer this past season in an interview about Harris, who had followed his game since he came in the League – He said Harris this past season at age 28/29 really was coming into his own as a true PG.

And Teague is much more of a facilitator than Lou. Lou is looking to score. Teague, in his 1st season starting, really was trying to be a true PG much of the time.

That’s not to say Lou can’t be that guy – but that was not his role in Philly.

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Brandon Jennings PG – Monta Ellis SG

Jeff Teague/Devin Harris PG – Lou Williams SG

I say go small ball, start Lou, take your lumps defensively, and make it up offensively – especially in transition. We would be nearly unstoppable in transition.

Not alot of great options out there unfortunately – Your going to have to pick your poison with this team this season as currently constructed. Small/Lack of D for Offense. Or other not so great options.

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Kirk Hinrich on DraftExpress – “Kirk Hinrich is a 31 year old 6 foot 4 inch 186lb G. Check out more at draftexpress for detailed stats, comparisons, and outlooks.”

But his official measurements are 6-2.75 w/o shoes – 6-3.75 with shoes.

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Ra’mon.

What do we do on defense though?

AJ,

When Josh keeps the ball on the break, it is only because he is trying to make something happen, because he wants to win so badly

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Lou Williams is an electric BB player when he gets going. A game changer.

And there’s no way we shouldn’t be one of the most exciting teams in the NBA this season – Harris, Josh, Lou, Teague – are all capable of bringing excitement to a game for the Hawks.

I think we’re in for a treat in at least our style of play this season. Morrow being that uh-oh guy shooting the 3 – same with Jenkins and Korver.

A lot of positives for this team – I just don’t know if they equal W’s.

But if I’m going to lose in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs anyway, may as well get some action in the transaction. Better than losing boring.

But I’d as soon win boring…

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AJ – Nah, not saying that – just giving an example. The Bucks don’t have anybody like Al and Josh in the frontcourt to go with those guys.

And I also think Skiles has run his course there, but that’s just me.

But like I said – gotta pick your poison with this team as assembled.

I’d rather start Lou than Morrow at the 2. I start Morrow at the 3 if we play small. If not have Morrow come off the bench – he’s a good bench guy.

But I’m just looking at combinations to maximize our wins. Jenkins is an X Factor also – really don’t know what we’ve got in him on an NBA level yet.

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O’B, once again, certain teams you won’t be able to beat consistently. But against the lower ladder teams, you will run them out of the gym, so defense will be an after thought. Remember, the Hawks just lost Joe and Marvin (as well as Kirk who is overrated defensively). However, they got back Al, who will help in defense in the post. And Teague is still a good defender. A top 6 offense and a top 20 defense is good enough for a top 6 seed in the east. Remember, its not as much about the defense, as it is the defensive boards. You want to bait other teams into having a guard versus guard competition against our team. Remember, there are not that many good 2 guards in the league any more (that’s how Joe is still the 3rd best sg, despite regressing so much). Also, over 40 of your games will come against sub .500 teams. You win those games 75% of the time. And you split the games between winning teams 50% of the time. Remember for as good as Joe was, he was also where some lost possessions were found because nothing happened with the ball in his hands.

In my mind, we traded Joe for Al. And then we traded Marvin for Devin. And finally traded Kirk for Lou. To me Al, Devin, Lou is better than Joe, Marvin, and Kirk. And Jenkins is just as good as Pargo, and Korver is more needed than Green.

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Someone needs to keep track of our projected lineups, again this is mine.
PG-Teague/They cant do all these commercials saying Jeff is our future then turn around and start devin. Teague>Harris altho slightly
SG-Lou Williams/We are imitating MIL with jennings and ellis, lou will and teague is super quick and can get to the lane, i think GM DF guarenteed a starting spot to lou
SF-Josh Smith/This is an experiment year for GM DF to see who he wants to progress with and Josh always wanted to be a SF and it looks like it has fallen into his lap.
PF-AL Horford/Same reason as Josh’s, GM DF is feeling out what allstar AL is cracked up to be firsthand.
C-ZaZa/ If healthy he will start and battle downlow freeing up everyone else. Very servicable big man.

Devin Harris only has a year left and i suspect he will be part of a trade and thats why we cant start him over teague, even if hes not traded i dont think he’ll be a hawk after this year and thatd make no sense to start him over jeff and “hurt” jeffs feelings
Ivan-Its weird to think but he is actually our glue guy this year, he will play a lot of minutes and will play sf/pf/c. We NEED Ivan.
Kyle Korver-Will get a good bit of minutes at SF and maybe SG, i think Kyle is better NOW than Morrow or Jenkins. Kyle is bad at D but he plays good off ball D and can force players to do what coach Tibs.. i mean LD wants defensively.
Stevenson-As of now it looks like he will be on our team and should be part of the rotation on nights we play really good offensive wing guys.
Morrow/Jenkins- same catch and shoot no defensive player, interchangeable. i see either korver or morrow being shipped out leaving a few minutes for jenkins.
Petro or Benson- We need a 7footer to backup ZaZa and relieve some minutes.

Ive seen some radical starting lineups on here but maybe mine might be radical to you, so agree to disagree.

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Here’s my prediction for this year’s Hawks (again, assuming we only add a minimum-level type SF to the current roster composition).

Remember when the Hawks played Phoenix last year in Philips Arena? Jeff Teague had at least one super-nasty, vicious, highlight-level, YouTube mix-tape dunk on Steve Nash. Y’all remember that? And I think he also had another super-athletic, amazing play against Nash as well. Both plays, as I recall, came in the first 18 minutes of that game. It was entertaining, Hawks fans watching surely jumped out of their seats and there were smiles acorss Hawks nation. Teague looked like a 2012 Corvette and Nash looked like a 1980 Cutlass Supreme. Shortly thereafter, the old man (Steve Nash) helped to dismantle the Hawks and the lottery-bound Suns beat the good guys in a fairly steady, unexciting, methodical manner.

That, IMO, will be akin to this coming season. We’ll get some great highlights… fans of various players will have plenty of fuel to add to their fire. But ultimately the Hawks will prove to be entertaining losers.

For those who only care about playoff basketball, that prediction won’t likely bother you… losing sooner or later is still losing.

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There seems to be this underlying assumption running through a lot of the posts on this blog that Teague is going to be the exact same player he was last year. Dude hasn’t even started 100 games in his career yet, playoffs included, and is still only 23. He likely is going to improve a lot regardless of the circumstances just by having a year under his belt. I don’t think that can necessarily be said about Williams or Harris, who at this point in their careers more or less are what they are. That has to be factored into any discussion regarding distribution of playing time in the back court.

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JT will be great if LD doesn’t try to screw him

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Ken you think Andrew Bynum doesn’t whine and cry… he’s a headcase. Research a bit more.

Dwight over Bynum all day.

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re; Harris at this point in career is what he is….

Harris is 29. Three seasons ago he averaged 21 PPG/7 APG….Yes, JT has some upside, but not that high.

With that being said, I hope they both are in the lineup alot together at the same time. It sure would make things interesting for other teams to match-up against….

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(Sigh)
Where’s the reality people? Will you still be Hawks fans if they don’t make the playoffs? Looking at the roster, that’s a possibility.

Poor Jerf Teague still doesn’t have the heart and mind of a winner. Just my intuitive gut feeling.

Ain’t gonna be a picnic…….could really suck

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just please stop playing that awful commercial with jeff teague whispering into the camera. lead a team? talented? yes. leader? that would be an affirmative hell no.

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LOL @ Abe and the Teague commercial.

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Teague, Lou, Josh, Horford, Zaza

Devin, Morrow, Korver, Ivan, Petro

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Teague, Lou, Josh, Horford, Zaza

Devin, Morrow, Korver, Ivan, Blatche

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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ASTRO JOE-I’ve been trying all day to apologize for not being clear on my post to you. I didn’t think it was actually you, but I wasn’t clear enough on who I was referring to. I wasn’t referring to the real ASTRO JOE, but to the fake monkey that hijacked you name. I apologize for not stating it in a more discernable way.

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“a player we might be able to convince to sign with us(Bynum)”

Now that’s a stretch. But dreams do come true ole wise one in his own mind.

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Ken Strickland

August 2nd, 2012
9:43 pm

Remember, Dwight hasn’t been on a single team that’s won an NBA title in his 8yrs in the league, so get over the obsession

Unbelievable! This is the kind of “moronic stupidity” we have to put up with on this blog! Can you hear yourself Kenny? This makes absolutely no sense at all. Clearly you do not understand Basketball. After this post i cannot take you seriously Brotha.

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Jump on the Train 2 For John Drew..

I mentioned Bill’s name months ago for coaching duties!

Thank you very much…. Your welcome..

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I may have been reading fast thru some of these blogs, but if somebody said Kyle Korver is better than Anthony Morrow – no he hasn’t been in the past.

Morrow, after a hot start last season, showed some slippage the rest of the way. His 3 pt% was down pretty good from previous seasons.

I’m hoping it was because of the compressed schedule, he being nicked up, playing on an abysmal team or something, and it’s not the fact he’s not improving his skills in the off season.

But if Morrow is the Morrow of his previous years before last season, and even thru January of last year (I think he averaged 15+ ppg then on hot shooting), then Morrow is better than Korver. Not by much, but he’s better.

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WISHFUL THINKING-Certainly an appropriate name. Let me tell you what a lack of common sense looks like. It’s like a delusional fan that suggest that another fan is dreaming if he says the Hawks might be able to convince a player(Bynum), that has never said he wouldn’t play in Atlanta, to sign a contract.

While at the same time, the delusional fan doing the criticizing believes it’s perfectly logical to believe the hawks can convince a player(Howard)to sign a contract even though he’s stated emphatically that he DOES NOT want to play in Atlanta. A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE.

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If we had Dennis “The Worm” Rodman as a coach, maybe he could TEACH Horford how to block shots and rebound!!!

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He has been cheering for this bunch for how long? Leave him be.

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I thought Larry “lame duck” Drew felt our Hawks were at their best when Josh Smith and Al Horford snagged rebounds and ran the fast break with the ball. Now we are hearing from MC that LD was prodding for Teague to run the show. This is another exhibit in an OVERWHELMINGLY strong case to can this bum. He is not a ‘leader’ in any sense of the word and his roles for each player are not clearly defined.

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Blatche > Benson+Petro+Jordan Williams

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Anthony Morrow was 15th among all SG’s in the NBA in scoring last season – and that in only 26.4 mpg.

Paul George, who everybody is rightfully high on – averaged 12.1 ppg in more minutes.(29.7 mpg)

Morrow averaged more ppg than Gordon Heyward (11.8), who also played more minutes than Morrow (30.4).

Morrow outscored Courtney Lee while playing significantly less minutes.

Morrow outscored JJ Redick playing less minutes than Reddick

Same with Belinelli

He outscored Vince Carter, Randy Foye, Tony Allen, and Brandon Rush – either playing = minutes, or slightly more than them.

He outscored Evan Turner, Landry Fields, and Jodie Meeks, with Fields playing more minutes per game, Turner the same, and Meeks slightly less (1.5 mpg).

I know there’s alot more to BB than scoring.

I’m just saying, if Morrow hadn’t of had a late season swoon, he would have outscored O J Mayo (12.6 ppg), Klay Thompson (12.5) and Paul George (12.1).

And 1 other thing about Lou and Morrow – they don’t turn the ball over at all. Both averaged 1.1 turnovers a game, playing 26.4 mpg.

All I’m saying is Morrow is ok – he’s not a stiff – maybe they started giving his minutes to Marshon Brooks or something, hoping to develop the future or get trade value for him in a D12 deal, I dunno.

Morrow may surprise some folks on this blog in the upcoming season.

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Lou had more steals per game than JJ in way less minutes.

Lou had more steals per game than Kirk Hinrich, in roughly 30 seconds more playing time per game.

Morrow had roughly the same number of steals as Kirk, in slightly more minutes (35 seconds per game more). I think Morrow had .06 fewer steals per game.

These guys are not slouches. we got. Yes we lost JJ. But we got some players also.

Lou and Morrow had roughly the same number of steals per game that Marvin had also, in about the same minutes.

Way deeper team than people think also.

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Thanks for these stats SteveW – nothing wrong with a little optimism for the upcoming season. One in which tenacity and ferocious hustle could lead to many transition buckets and some surprise wins along the way.

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Al’s playoff rebouding average – 8.7 per game

Pretty consistent.

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well a diff perspective
Blatche can put some size and agility on KG and maybe he’ll keep his head on straight and we can actually reap the benefits of him looking for a new contract. I like it.

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To be condescending does not favor you. Wrap your intellect around that.

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MICHAEL CUNNINGHAM-Why are all of my posts being blocked? -KS-

A sign perhaps

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But would Zaza, Ivan, and Blatche co-exist in the locker room?

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I like blatche, just don’t know if he has his head on straight.

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You guys are “stealing” my ideas.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

August 3rd, 2012
12:55 am
Teague
Devin Harris
Smoove
Horford
Blatche

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AJ,

The Raiders themselves had issues from the top down, so that is a bad example (imo). How many boneheaded players did the Patriots sign over the years, and didn’t it worked for them sometimes (even if only temporarily).

I would bring Blatche in, because he is a low risk, high reward signing if the price is right (imo). If he doesn’t work out, then cut him. But if the change of scenery and culture does him well, he would be a solid contributor off the bench for us.

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OB, deo you mean the multiple championship Patriots with a top 5 head coach in NFL history? Those Patriots?

And how many minutes are you giving Blatche (won’t he need at least 15 minutes/game to make a meaningful contribution off the bench)? I don’t recall too many teams that play 5 bigs consistently. So what is Blatche bringing to the team that is better than what Zaza or Ivan would bring (or is someone suggesting bltache should take some minutes from Al or push Josh to SF for more minutes shooting perimeter shots)?

Come one folk… I want a project big but I’m thinking about someone who will spend the bulk of time learning in practice (like Keith Benson or a big defense-first center). Again, play it out, 96 minutes at PF/C… whose minutes get cut because we’re doing socialology experiemtns with Blatche… Josh, Al, Ivan or Zaza? And would you rather have him rehabilitating his work ethic with us or would you rather give those token left over minutes to a young player who is still learning his craft?

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Ivan got suspended last year, according to the NBA TV broadcast team, because he jumped on the whole team for their lack of effort in a humiliating loss to the Raptors. Lazy writers who don’t make the effort to report facts have helped paint Ivan as this unstable individual. The fact is that he REALLY cares about winning, and he saw a team that was getting dusted by a lottery team because they weren’t trying.

Assuming the Hawks retain Ivan, you want to bring sorry ass Blatche in here to split backup power forward minutes with Ivan? Are you smoking crack?

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Look at it this way. The Hawks have the deepest depth chart in the NBA at power forward. We have Smith, Horford, Pachulia and Ivan Johnson who are starting-caliber at the position. No other team has that. And you want to bring locker room poison onto this roster why? What’s the need you’re trying to fill here?

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Considering the money the same, I would rather have Blatche over Benson, Diamp, Collins and Ivan. Although I like Ivan, Blatche is far more talented then all those guys.

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Melvin, you see the upside to every athletic player and don’t EVER seem to factor things like work ethic or maturity. Blatche isn’t better than Zaza and doesn’t bring the toughness this team lacks without Ivan on the floor. He should try to rehab himself on someone else’s dime. My guess, he is a very, very ordinary player who has a massive ego and serious maturity issues. We should want to add that to our team?

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Melvin, Blatche was avergaing 20 minutes/game the last time the Wizards were in the playoffs (and winning around 42 games and losing in the first round of the playoffs).

Collins is gone. Damp was a designated 4th string center who only played every 5th game (if that often).

I’d rather have Kenyon Martin, Jamal Maglorie, Anthony Tolliver or Chris Anderson. But mostly, I wan Ivan to get 12-18 minutes each and every game.

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Oh my bad… I forgot Blatche averaged 10 minutes per game in the 08 playoffs. You’re right I’m convinced. Sign him up. Offer him a truckload of Twinkies as a signing bonus, I’m sure he’ll sign.

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Astro,

All those guys you name are washed up except for Tolliver and he’s (soft and) not that good. Blatche is entering the prime of his career. Considering money the same (and there’s reports that Kenyon wants more than the vet min), give me Blatche.

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BK,

You missed the countless blogs of us disscussing how the Hawks can acquire Dwight Howard. Unless you don’t consider him a real big man.

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Buddy thanks for the link.
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Drew on pushing the pace with this lineup: “When we are at our best is when [Al] and Josh rebound the ball and bring it out on the dribble. We’ve been missing that with him out of the lineup. It makes us a much better running team when we have all five guys involved in the break.”
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smh Drew
Drew on the benefits of the lineup for Joe: “He’s had to defend Paul [Pierce] all four games. I kind of want to give it a different look and see if that can generate more offense out of him. He’s been chasing Paul around for four games and that can put a little wear and tear on you. We’ve decided to give it a look.”
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Where was that thinking when Josh and Horford were getting torn up by KG. Where was the big lineup?!

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” The Hawks have the deepest depth chart in the NBA at power forward. We have Smith, Horford, Pachulia and Ivan Johnson who are starting-caliber at the position. ”

What? Then who’s playing center? Come on now, thats not depth that just flashing names

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Good info Sir Grizzard. Blatche should be available and on his best behavior. And on a non-guaranteed for that matter. A lot of teams have young project PFs looking for a payday. And Blatche is older yet still looking for the next big contract.

Could be a win win if he improves on a cheap contract. He advertises over here for his last chance and good chunk of minutes. And there’ll be games he doesn’t play much. So he could be mature showing the ability to stay in shape and be ready.

“Zaza and Ivan didn’t get amnestied then have not one single team in the league offer even the veteran’s minimum to claim them off waivers. That’s what happened to Blatch. Not one single team thought he was worth the minimum bid. That’s great that Blatche had a nice season on a lottery team. That kind of thinking got us Abdur Rahim for Pau Gasol. Glad you’re not Hawks GM. NOT A SINGLE NBA GM THOUGHT BLATCHE WAS WORTH THE MINIMUM BID.”

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Josh on Pierce
Horford on Bass
Blatche on Garnett

That’s actually not bad if Josh stays athletic and Pierce keeps aging Josh can shut him down. And Blatche has the size to help on Garnett whereas Marvin did not.
Blatche: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_RYdNi8FiY

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But Melvin, after you’re waived, teams under the cap limit get to bid on players. Only no one bid on Blatche, which is why we have a chance, we’re over the cap limit and so we get last dibs.

Scola got claimed by PHO, Brand by DAL, and last year Chauncey by LAC when we had Joe’s $$ on the books. We get last dibs and no one claimed Blatche so he “cleared waivers”. Sounds good like he past a test but its actually kind of bad.
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So I guess Luis Scola and Elton Brand are a bad players b/c they got amnestied. Add Bullips to that list as well b/c the Knicks got rid of him.

The Free Agency period is not over yet, so Blatche has time to sign with another team.

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lets move past this blatche talk, hes not gona be a hawk.
he was good a few years back but he’s just not a winner, GM DF will not tolerate that mentality and neither should any TRUE hawk fan.

The hawks are going to surprise a lot of people in atl and around the country this year. they’ll be a 5-7 seed and will be a lot of fun to watch. weare going to be as good as last year but in different ways for better and for worse. at least we got two 1st rounders and cap space galore.

still lookin for us to sign Greg Oden and Dominic McGuire(DMac)

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“What? Then who’s playing center? Come on now, thats not depth that just flashing names”

We have 4 guys that could start at power forward. That’s depth.

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Pointguardslim, Zaza should be the Hawks number one center

Josh, Horford, Zaza with Blatche coming of the bench make more sense.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“So I guess Luis Scola and Elton Brand are a bad players b/c they got amnestied.”

Both got claimed off amnesty waivers. In Scola’s case, because of the structure of his contract, the minimum bid was $10 million. He still got claimed. Blatche did not get claimed.

I don’t deny the guy has talent, I just don’t want him in our locker room when he’s not committed to making the playoffs, much less advancing in the playoffs. Blatche should be on the phone with Josh asking for conditioning and weight loss tips.

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And correct me if I’m wrong, but didnt Ivan play minutes at SF in the D-League? Maybe he could get some minutes at backup SF from the Hawks too.

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Blatche is a good ball player. Just not sure how he fits on this team. Josh, Al, Ivan already at PF – Jordan Williams looks like he’s sticking for now also – another PF – and we drafted a PF named Mike Scott – looks like they may want to keep him. Kito Benson plays some PF also, if we keep him.

Now if we decided to start ZaZa, and have Blatche and Petro fight for minutes at backup C, that I could see.

I’m not against that.

As far as Small Forwards go, of the guys who are left:

Delfino 6-6 230
Josh Howard – 6-7
Micheal Pietrus – 6-6
Matt Barnes – 6-8
Tracy Mcgrady – 6-8
Alonzo Gee – 6-6
Dominic McGuire – 6-9
Josh Childress – 6-8
Shawne Williams – 6-9
Ryan Gomes – 6-7
Damion James – 6-7
Damien Wilkens – 6-6
Jamario Moon – 6-8

Or some other guys who could possibly play the 3:

Kenyon Martin – 6-9
Anthony Tolliver – 6-8
Marquis Daniels – 6-6
Micheal Redd – 6-6
Sam Young – 6-6
Manny Harris – 6-6
DeAndre Liggins – 6-6
Xavier Silas 6-5

We probably only have enough room to sign 1 of these guys, if any – Who do you sign? All are still available last I checked.

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Of course Al plays C most of the time to this point – and Ivan plays some C, or has.

Josh did well at C last season at well when forced there due to injuries to others etc.

I say out of all those guys at SF – Micheal Redd has the highest 1 season upside. But he could also be a complete bust also.

If I’m going to get somebody to be here a while – I like Alonzo Gee.

But alot of those names on that list are intriguing possibilities. There’s probably at least 5 or 6 guys who could realistically contribute to the Hawks this season in various ways.

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I actually think Josh Childress, off the bench, if his head is into it – and he’s into conditioning, which he hasn’t been – could help us.

Needs to learn to shoot the basketball

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OB, let’s play Josh around 32 minutes at SF and Ivan around 16 minutes at SF. Sign Blatche to a 1-year contract. That should ensure that we get the lottery pick I want next summer to start rebuilding the team. Maybe we can sign Gilbert Arenas to be our 3rd string PG, also.

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Lou Is NOT better at taking care of the ball that Jeff.

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Melvin,

Stop wasting your time debating with these idiots. They would not know talent if it walked up and slapped them in the face. Blatche is better skill wise, than every big man we have not named Josh or Al, and with Al its questionable. Same things were said about Javale McGee before he went to Denver, and he was probably the most dominant defensive big in the playoffs last year. Sometimes guys need a change of scenery and some professional teammates to help them mature. The Wizards team is and has been a joke for the last couple of years. I would have no problems taking a risk on Blatche. The talent is surely there. Remember, so of these same idiots thought Marvin Williams was a great basketball player. LOL

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my last blatche post
blatche and mcgee is no comparison. yes both played for the wiz but javale has been critiqued for his lapses in judgement, blatche has bee scrutinized for his lack of EFFORT/CARING. how do you get a 40 mill deal and not care?? javale is a very good player and to be honest id take javale for AL if DEN would do that, javale is a true 7foot C that is very athletic and clogs the paint. blatche shoots bad shots and plays poor Defense. blatche will end up signing in toronto or a bottom feeder cuz he is currently toxic and no contending team wants that regardless of his past skill level. its not even like he was an all-star or close to that level anyway.

SteveW
we need to get GEE 1st, or move to McGuire, then Pietrus in that order.

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People who equate defense to shot blocking are clueless. I guess Josh Smith is a better defender than Dennis Rodman, huh? And you have to love these “dominant” defenders who don’t get out of the first round… big difference makers.

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OB, you mean shy away from guys with slightly above average talent who have extremely poor work ethic, are super-selfish and ultimately are paid to stay away from a team that is hoping to land their 3rd or 4th consecutive top 5 lottery pick? I have no idea why they wouldn’t move heaven and earth to bring those guys to this team that has historically had their own work ethic challenges. Not to mention, why Danny Ferry can’t see the resemblence between Blatche and Duncan… after all, they are both tall. Surely when Ferry was thinking about running a team again, he was thinking about signing players like Blatche.

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Blatche was able to get a massive contract after putting up big scoring and rebounding totals after taking over Antawn Jamison‘s starting spot at the end of the 2009-10 season, but that contract has looked worse every day since it was signed. Even when Blatche is “in shape,” he plays horrible defense, has poor shot selection, doesn’t take care of the ball or pass it well, and doesn’t play with a lot of energy. As Michael Lee notes in his column, Blatche still has 3 years and $23 million left on his contract after this season. The Wizards had better hope that this benching helps Blatche, because it’s almost impossible to imagine any other team taking Blatche off the Wizards’ hands any time soon.

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I want to take back about what i said about matt barnes after i read the report. barnes is not trying to be a B.A, it sounds like the officer had an issue with Barnes and made it more than what it was.

So now that CJ Miles is signin with cleveland i would think Alonzo Gee will go elsewhere.
Our list should be
1.Alonzo Gee
2.Domin McGuire
3.Matt Barnes
4.Mickael Pietrus

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What is all this talk about Blatche, we don’t need another PF, we’ve got at least 4 if we keep Mike Scott. We need a SF!

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“its not even like he was an all-star or close to that level anyway.”

So I guess 16.8ppg and 8.2 rpg is no where close to all star level. Those numbers look very similar to a guy who plays for the Hawks who every said should have made the all star team.

“It’s not that Bynum ran over him, but his stats were substantially better than for instance Perkins in the second round.

McGee flourished, but to call him dominant on D is a stretch.”

I know you are not comparing Bynum and Perkins offensively are you. I called him one of the most dominant defensive bigs in the playoffs last year, and I standy by that.

“People who equate defense to shot blocking are clueless.”

I guess Mutumbo was voted defensive player of the year a couple of times because of his great perimeter defense, and his steals huh. LOL SMH

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Blatche is talented and would probably be at worst the second best back-to-the-basket scorer on this team if he was signed. I’d be willing to sign him if the Hawks had a coach with any clout whatsoever. I am not confident that LD is the guy who can turn his career around. And maybe just as important, if I am looking for a 3rd string center (which is what Blatche would be on this team, behind Horford and Zaza), I’d rather have a guy who plays D and blocks shots than an offensive black hole who looks to score all the time.

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“So I guess 16.8ppg and 8.2 rpg is no where close to all star level.”

Well 12pts 8rbs been doing it for years

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Rod, Mutombo? Mutombo averaged around 11.5 boards and 3+ blocks for like 10-12 seasons. Find me one season when McGee came close to that. Defense is about stopping the opposing team from scoring, which comes from defensive rebounds AND blocks. Think about the best big men defenders in the past 10 years, they have all been outstanding rebounders (e.g., Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan). A blocked shot may not even result in a change of possession. That is why it isn’t remotely the best way to define a big man’s defensive ability. And it is also the reason why Theo Ratliff isn’t considered the defender that Mutombo was… rebounding.

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People who equate Denying low post shots, Altering shots and Blocking shots with low post defense

KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

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Rod from CP

someone has to score for the 4th worst team in the NBA. Him going 17 and 8 is great on the stat sheet but thats not worth anything if your teams record is 23-59. he was good that year but he wasnt close to being an all-star.
agree to disagree

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“someone has to score for the 4th worst team in the NBA. Him going 17 and 8 is great on the stat sheet but thats not worth anything if your teams record is 23-59. he was good that year but he wasnt close to being an all-star.”

It’s actually worth the value of his contract, because that is why he got paid.

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kevin love averaged 20 and 15 in 2010-11, same year blatche went 17 and 8. both teams sucked and its hard to give cosideration to a guy with great stats on a bad team because those numbers have a higher discrepancy based on how bad the teams were. given minutes every night SOMEONE will have some good stats but your on the losing end more than not so its hard to think those numbers are true.

as for k.love last year, he had two great years in a row and even though his team was not 1-8 seed at the break the twolves were very close.

and to be honest i used to like andray blatche, i thought he was a good player with talent but he just got too non-chalent and blew the oppurtunity. im just saying he is not a good fit for the hawks right now. andray will get signed to a lottery team and may surprise me and be productive, change of scenery and atmosphere usually does help.

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im sooooo down for al+1st+1st for kevin love, if minE starts to suck. then next year we pick up james harden at very close to max. and go

Lou Will James Harden Josh Smith Kevin Love ZaZa
that is ECF written all over it
sounds more like a 2k team though

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Jordan Williams has alot of skill, but no athleticism, and no work ethic so it seems. Waive his $473,000.00 salary and sign Blatche to the vet minimum.

If we start ZaZa, Blatche, then Petro wouldn’t be a bad backup pairing.

And Miami needs Greg Oden like the Men’s Olympic basketball team needs 5 more dominant players – Not!!

Oden would be a good addition to the Hawks – if he can ever stay healthy. He did dominate Al in the Finals that year.

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Signing Blatche and waiving Jordan Williams shouldn’t be that difficult – unless we see something in Jordan Williams, or Blatche is sitting around eating Pringles for training.

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“Blatche is sitting around eating Pringles for training.”

That’s my concern. Josh Smith is this team’s unquestioned leader now. He will be an All-Star and have a breakout season as the Hawks’ first option. He will lead his team to the playoffs in a year when a lot of prognosticators are projecting the Hawks as the 9th-best team in the East or worse.

If Josh Smith goes to Danny Ferry and says “we should get Andray… I think he can get it together and help this team,” then I say sign him up. Josh Smith is the only person I trust to make that call. Everybody else is playing fantasy basketball with stats from three seasons ago.

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i havent posted any comments on this blog. i dint even know this blog was up? smh.

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Trade Al

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