Updated: Hawks schedule released

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how bout ak47 getting 10mill a year from the twolves? i swear some of these GMs stretch so hard, david kahn pulled a rick sund

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Yea, Owners went into a lockout for this. Its funny how many teams are amnestying bad contracts to replace them with new bad contracts.

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The Hawks are going to surprise some people!

They will sweep vava’s team, [The Crooklyn Nets]….Book it Dano!

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its to bad we didnt get randy foye for that 1 yr 5 mill deal. our back court would be the most interchangeable/undersized group ever.
teague then devin harris
randy foye then lou will
all 4 can play point guard only teague couldnt play SG

we will still make the playoffs and maybe get to the 2nd. we will be fast and furious and that will be fun to watch.

we still need to offer AL and devin harris to ORL at the deadline for dwight(throw in a 1st or both 1st’s) ORL will have to trade dwight and we may have the best offer, a all-star C(hahah) and an expiring contract and 1st’s

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Al Horford-Reynoso for MVP !!!

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@ Slim…
Co-sign your message to the Falcons sheep…

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I agree – Jeff and Josh will represent in the All-star game…. okay it is a stretch but if LD lets Jeff play his game, he will be the third best PG in the East. I really would not be surprised in JT averaged 20 ppg…

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FIRE LD

BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

NO CRYBABIES ALLOWED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm1g60_TqZU&feature=fvwrel

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wow the hawks still havent signed a small forward?

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People said the Hawks would not make the playoffs after we lost Horford but we ended up being the 4 seed. The only thing we lost was Joe Johnson. Marvin and Collins really don’t count. Devin Harris, Lou, and Jenkins will make up for the loss of Joe.

The Hawks will be a 4 or 5 seed this year. Mark my words.

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We need another rebounder/inside scorer, preferably at small forward. If Smith gets hurt, we will be in a world of hurt. We can not afford to lose Zaza or Smoove during the season for a lengthy period. I wonder if McGrady will be picked up by anyone this season. I’m sure he’s trying to sort out what team will have a chance to do well this season.

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Holy Hole in a Doughnut Batman Chris Vivlamore he lives holy crap.

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How come the schedule is not up on the team’s website, yet? Geez…you would think that would be available right at 7:00PM.

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Hawks open up with a lot of tough games on the road.

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How in the world did the Hawks manage to get the Lakers on the calendar 3 times!! Twice in LA. I will definitely see those 2 games…..thanks NBA office.

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The Jamal Crawford Tip-off Classic I & II to be played on 9/11 and 9/24 – very interesting.

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Youn won’t see Dwight Howard in Atlanta. So give it up. And no great loss either. Pachulia has won the hearts of fans, but he didn’t win mine. Still has bad hands and still finds way to lose crucial matchups. I would say he would be my favorite trade item….maybe some of the GMs have fallen for Pachulia like diehard Hawks fans (sheesh). Be nice if Teague has a good year, but I give that 50/50. The Hawks may win this year, they may be really good, but it’s gonna require UNITY and CONSISTENCY.

Have you really seen this from the Hawks before?

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The Hawks will be the number 3 seed next season in the east.

1. MIAMI
2. INDIANA
3. ATLANTA
4. BOSTON
5. CHICAGO
6. BROOKLYN
7. NEW YORK
8. PHILLY

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You bloggers with all [of] these playoff seeding predictions are leaving out the Bucks. The Bucks should be a higher seed than the Hawks barring injury.

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BIG IVAN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=hrjjjT5p27o

rep ATL dot com

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Thank you, ASG, Rick Sund and Danny Ferry for putting this Hawks [franchise] in rebuild mode. The next 3 to 5 years will be Hawks futility at its best.

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High-sider, why do you think the Bucks will even make the playoffs? I also don’t see Philly making it. They lost Brand and gained Kwame Brown. They lost Lou – and gained Young. Just don’t see it.

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@steven a smith or steven naismith or steven “naysayer” smith or slimjr or whatever

Are you still “reppin’” that obnoxious clown and Skip Bayless flunky/lackey?

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Naw – has to to play the Clips. First 10 games are extremely tough. I think picking up Greg Oden will be good for our team. A starting lineup with Ivan at PF will be pretty interesting as well. I hope LD is open minded to all the possibilities.

WIllie Green and Al Thorton would be good pick ups as well to finish up the team.

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FYI H-s, steven a smith and Slimjr are none the same…

steven a smith is a comedic Genius! Slimjr not so much…..

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@steven a smith

Just kidding witcha. LOL

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I hear ya H-s.

Never under estimate a Doug Collins coached team..Man I wish we had him as our coach….

D12 and Doug Collins in the ATL= Championship!

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“how bout ak47 getting 10mill a year from the twolves? i swear some of these GMs stretch so hard, david kahn pulled a rick sund”

It’s a 2 year deal with a team option for the 2nd year, so really it’s only a one year deal for $10 million. That isn’t that bad of a deal. The Hawks really could have used AK47 for a short-term deal like that.

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The Washington Wizards will make the playoffs.

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I assume you are talking about the Heat, with an aging D-Wade who is starting to slow down. Once you get past James, the Heat really are a predictable team. I think the Hawks with Josh and Al will give them problems in the front court. I want to see how the Hawks get a solid SF, who can defend and I like our chances to surprise some folks in the East.

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I think the Hawks will be just as good or better this season. Here is my breakdown by position

C Horford vs. ZaZa. It is funny how so called ‘fans” have a short-term memory. I remember during the season when Big Al bruised the Bulls – and help guide a massive comeback!. He did almost the same thing in the playoffs last year especially game 5 and 6. Equally, I have had to replace at least two tv’s because ZaZa will not DUNK the damn ball to win a game! Big Al.

PF Smith vs. Smith Josh had a career season, and believe it or not – has gotten better every year in the NBA. I have heard references of him being a ‘poor man’s” LeBron James – and actually I will agree. His jumper was soooooo much better this season and I imagine he will improve in every category. His fg % will greatly improve from the easier shots he will take and his assist certainly will improve from having Kover having wide open looks.

SF Morrow vs. Johnson. Well we will take a big back seat here. Joe actually had a pretty good season and a couple of games he did play like a big dog. Having Morrow starting at the 3 is almost like having Marvin type production. I can’t believe I am saying this – but I really would not have done the Marvin deal AFTER getting rid of Joe. We could use him now.

SG Williams vs KH Sweet Lou will make a lot of us forget about Joe Johnson really fast! Again, adding Lou and getting rid of KH is a major upgrade – almost equal to comparing Joe and Morrow. I can envision having six Hawks averaging double-figures and Williams could lead the team in scoring.

PG Teague vs Teague You got to love it when your point guard helps the Phillips earn the nickname “The Highlight Factory” The dunks over Ray Allen and Channing Frye should have been on the ESPY’s. Like Josh, he has improved every season and really, the Hawks go as Jeff Teague goes. He will contend for one of those PG spots in the East and can easily be the third best behind Rondo and WIlliams. Only LD can hold him back by playing Harris.

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why do people think that the Nets are going to be a threat this year. They lose Anthony Morrow and Farmar for the burden that’s Joe Johnson’s contract; They sign Wallace 40/4. The only people they could get is inconsistent C.J. Watson and Keith Bogans, also they got reggie flopper and ”ol man” stackhouse for a bench. Despite the fact that the east is weaker offensively, BOS, MIA, IND, and WAS aren’t to be underestimated. The Nets are a 5th-6th seed at best until next year

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Sorry, starting line-up:

TEAGUE///////HARRIS///PARGO
MORROW/////LOU////////J.JENKINS
IVAN////////////KORVER//STEVENSON
JOSH///////////BENSON////M.SCOTT
HORFORD///ZAZA/////////PETRO OR JORDAN

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BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rn0U2TXhYo

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This is why the nation will see the Clippers 30 times and the Hawks with AllStar Al not so much…Yes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3de6d_T4Ss0&feature=related

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If we start small – and keep basically the same team we have now, a 2nd unit of:

ZaZa
Ivan
Korver
Jenkins
Harris

With Petro and Stevenson as our 11th and 12th guys is almost as good of a 2nd unit I can remember the Hawks ever having.

Spud, Battle, Levingston, and Carr were maybe a little better.

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Nov: 10-4 Dec: 11-5 Jan: 11-5 Feb: 5-6 March: 9-9 April: 6-2……..Total Record : 52 – 31 ( Schedule Misprint) ???? The Hawks will be 51-31 and get the 3rd seed…..Here is how the Eastern conference pans out:

1.Miami
2. Indiana
3. Atlanta
4. Philadelphia
5. Boston
6. Chicago
7.Brooklyn
8. New York

Western Conference:

1. L.A. Lakers
2. Oklahoma City
3. L.A. Clippers
4. San Antonio
5. Dallas
6. Memphis
7. Utah
8. Denver

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I would start Ivan at the SF slot.

He played there in the D-League.

He has excellent lateral movement, quick swiping hands and his shot is not that bad, just needs more minutes.

He can drive right AND left and is deadly driving left (in particular against PF, but still…).

If we do not make any moves on the SF department, that would be my choice since he and Josh could be interchangeable during games giving different looks to the same opposing players.

Consequently, I would play A LOT OF ZONE D.

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[...] News here – Atlanta Hawks ← Augusta engineering firm to be featured on ‘HGTV’ Cancel [...]

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Teague an All-Star? Boy, that would be great, it would mean that he had a better first half than either Rondo, Deron or Kyrie Irving (assuming all stay healthy). It would also mean that he holds off other 1st time All-Star candidates like Kyle Lowery, John Wall and Brandon Jennings.

Hawks seem to have better weekend games than in year’s past. Hopefully, that will help with the attendance figures.

Hope springs eternal. I’d be shocked if the Hawks win more than 42 games next season (based on today’s roster + a minimum wage SF added before camp).

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Jordan Williams looked horrible in Summer League. Rather keep Scott

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VaVa – I agree wholeheartedly about alot of Zone D – preferably 3-2 or 3-1-1, with Josh at the last 1.

And our bench is so deep and good – I wouldn’t mind if LD pulled a Gentry and just brought them in en masse like in Phoenix a couple of years ago, when they went to the WCF – and almost beat the Lakers.

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Our team has always been built for speed. We are the Golden State Warriors of the East – but with much better talent. I think the Hawks will turn a lot of heads. Williams and Harris off the bench will be fun to watch – but we will get little other production from the bigs.

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Steve, when people say that “Player X will make the All-Star team”, they have to recognize that they are also saying that one of the “usual” All-Stars will NOT make it. In the case of East PGs, we know Derrick Rose won’t be there, but (IMO), a healthy Kyrie Irving clearly looks like a top 3-4 PG in the conference already.

I just noticed that Shawne Williams is a UFA. He would be a nice add for this team. 6′9″ with good size and experience. And we know that he could at least knock down open jump shots. The hawks are shopping at the Dollar Store for SFs at this point, and guys like Matt Barnes, Pietrus and Delfino (IMO) are too small to add to an already small team.

I wish we could get Wilson Chandler from Denver (in exchange for Morrow & Petro). Hard to imagine that we keep this collection of middling SGs with expiring contracts until February.

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Wilson Chandler on this team will be a great addition. Wanted him last year when he was a FA. Will be tough to get him. One great thing about the trade was we acquired a lot of expiring contracts.

I haven’t heard of any team offering Ivan a contract yet – so hopefully we can resign him. I think most teams will offer him a minimum contract.

Ivan + ZaZa + Stevenson will bring toughness – and shed that “soft” label.

There are a lot of young and exciting PG’s in the East (Irving, Wall, etc)- but Teague certainly be in the mix behind Rondo and Williams

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missing link: A #3 with scoring ability will make the Hawks a dangerous team…

50 wins is a reasonable goal this up coming season for sure….

AllStar Al should not focus on scoring with his skill set..He should focus on help defense and rebounding….He should be considered a 4th or 5th option now if this team wants to advance…

The Knicks stay healthy they are not an 8th seed..They could go as low as 4th imho..

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No me gustó que perdiéramos en la puja por Anthony Randolph,pero ahora me contentaría si logramos fichar a Chris Andersen y a Al Thorton o Alonzo Gee.

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Slim, a few summers ago, Derrick Rose did the same thing, 1,000 jumpers/day. it was the summer before he won the MVP. Players can improve their skills if they work hard during the summer. They don’t need coaching to improve some of their fundamentals, just a strong work ethic (and a few helpers to chase down the loose balls). I’m not too worried about Teague’s work ethic anymore, my only concern is his ability to “run the team”. If he tucks his tail between his legs (like he did a few times last season ), Devin and even Lou will gladly take the reigns and won’t be in a hurry to give them back.

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ENOUGH SAID?

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“Devin and even Lou will gladly take the reigns and won’t be in a hurry to give them back.”

Reigns over whose kingdom?

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The Jet!

Jason Terry is clearly not an upgrade over Ray Allen in Boston. He has hands of stone when it comes to passing, His defense is questionable. Two areas that Ray Allen did exceptionally well in. Also, Ray Allen moved phenomenally well without the ball to get to his spots. Ray Allen will not be replaced by Jet Terry in Boston, clearly a down grade for Boston at the two guard.

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im also very surprised the ATL vs HOU game is not nationally televised.

Matt Barnes we need you, Mickael Pietrus we need you

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Najeh Davenpoop

July 26th, 2012
9:57 pm
The Washington Wizards will make the playoffs.

I am on my break and you gave me my greatest laugh of the day!
PLEASE STOP IT!

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Hawks need to sign Mickael Pietrus, this team will be good with defense, not just shooting dam jumshots all the time, you have no superstars on this team to carry them, teams win of defense in the NBA not just running up and down the court and shooting 30foot jumpers all game, JUST DAM

Go sign Pietrus the best wing defender left in free agent plus a legit SF.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Basketball Top Fan would like to wish the Atlanta Hawks the best of luck and success during the National Basketball Association 2012-2013 season.

The Hawks have a very realistic chance to go deep in the playoffs.

BasketballTopFan@yahoo.com

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Greetings Hawks Fans,
No one is more happy to see your enthusiasm more than the hawks organization itself! Building the nucleus support is more important than the nucleus right now.
Our goal is to be more competitive and to be in a position to succeed more each year. People read your comments and listen to your phone calls too.
The hunger in your voice either by typing,texting or talking is a deafening BOOM! People hear you. We do =)

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I could deal with signing Matt Barnes for the 3 as well.

Alonzo Gee would be a nice pick up also.

And I don’t mind a 3G lineup of Teague, Lou, and Morrow, to run with Al and Josh.

Or a Big lineup of ZaZa, Al, and Josh up front, with Teague and maybe Lou (ok, he’s not big – I’m talking Frontcourt) starting with Harris and Morrow off the bench. Korver backing Josh up at the 3.

None of our lineups are ideal right now – but we have some good talent, if it’s utilized correctly.

How did Danny get Lou for 3 years 15.7mill? Speculation I heard is he sold him on a starting spot – it was on one of the blogs – Peachtree Hoops maybe? Been a few days.

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Big Dog – The Celtics signed Collins

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I hope Josh takes less than a max deal – like 5 years, 80 mill (16 mill per year) – that would really help our cap situation.

Come on Josh – just how much money do you need? Now if you wanted to slip me a mill., I’ll lobby for that Max deal for you big time! Can you say all out PR campaign?

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Got that word on Wallace by reading some scout or something – you can google it…

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Slimjr

July 27th, 2012
11:01 am
Teagues jumper will have to improve big time to be considered for an AllStar selection…

Remember Mookie? Yes….

Mookie’s prime would run circles around Teague….

Its hard to say that when Teague is going into his 4th season. Mookie was one of the best Pg’s we’ve ever had but Teague can be just as good if not better imo. He has advantages in size speed and athleticism. When his jumper improves he could be a tony parker type player

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ag, dunking on opposing players is nice, telling your own teammates to ’shut up and let me run this f’ing team” is better.

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Wow Buddy G… Sy showed me nothing!!! Maybe they did not play him so other teams would not pick him up?

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im telling y’all
PG-Teague SG-Lou Will SF-Josh PF-Horford C-ZaZa
Ivan and Devin Harris 1st off the bench and Korver,Stevenson,Morrow,Jenkins getting minutes and Keith Benson with minutes at 5 now and then. If we get Pietrus or Barnes we are set. Also I see us trading Morrow or Korver by the deadline for an expiring contract big man(Josh Mcroberts comes to mind).

Steven A Smith
Wizards will make the playoffs no problem.
John Wall/Brad Beal/Trevor Ariza/Emeka Okafor/NeNe
w/ JC2, Jon Vessely,Chris Singleton,Trevor Booker, Seraphin off the bench is a solid lineup with deph.

SF PLEASE GM DF

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I really cant figure out why you guys want to trade our center, or why you get upset when we say move Smoove over to the 3 so our Al can play the 4.

Who cares if Josh is a better offensive and defensive power forward than Al? Who cares if that will cause dissension in the club house? Who cares if its going to lower the quality of play in the front court? Who cares if opposing coaches would love to have their guards dunk on Al? Who cases if the hawks will lose more games? Who cares if the fan moral will be down? Who cares if Al is a 12pt 8rb guy? Who cares? Who cares?

What is important is that Al is my friend and favorite player, I not a hawk fan and I dont care if they lose more and more. All I want is for my Al to play power forward.

Sorry Josh. I now you are a highly rate power forward and much better than Al. But Al is my favorite player. I even have Al horford boxers.

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FIBA Olympic Qualifier: Russia Knocks Off The Dominican Republic 84-69

Peachtree Hoops — Al Horford and the Dominican Republic fell to Russia in the second game of the preliminary round of the FIBA Olympic Qualifier Tournament by a score of 84-69.

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**Well so much for

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Teague was on 790 today and he said he couldn’t wait to go iso on Joe when he comes to town.

Teague said he has talked to Danny and Danny has him in the middle of this year’s plans. Teague has spent alot of time playing with Lou, but has yet to meet Devin.

Not sure where Devin fits in at this point…you would think these guys would have all met by now…..

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Yeah, those are good points about trading Al and Teague. It will be nice to get rid of that funk called the “the Core” and move on to something better. I dont know if Teague or Al will ever have an impact on this team. they both seemed to struggle over than last few years. Al had 1 decent year and the rest has been below average. Funny, Al’s best year is less than Josh’s average over the years, Just to put in perspective what a waste Al has become. Teague just inst very smart. Not at all. That hurt the team to.

Yea, Dump the core. Get rid of Teague and Al

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Guys If you trade Al I wont be happy and I will not buy a ticket this year. Al is my favorite player. Read my 6:37, and 6:58 posts.

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*isn’t

Thanks irony. my wife normally proof reads and catches my typos. Thanks for you help.

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Ralph ignore that dude. He has noting to say about the hawks, his purpose in life is to scroll through blogs looking for typos. We all knew exactly what you meant and no, Teague aint very bright.

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callmeout

July 27th, 2012
7:35 pm

Trevor Ariza/Emeka Okafor/NeNe is a nice front line

They do have a better front line than anyone else in the east. I would take them over our starting front line right now. Trevor Ariza could have a breakout season. Nene is an allstar in the east. Okafor is solid.

Having said all that, John Wall is ‘Overrated” so is this Beal kid. Wall cannot shoot. He is “streaky”
Brad beal is Ben Gordon, no more. 8th seed at best because they are in the “weak east”

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I think there is a conspiracy on this blog site to keep the hawks at average or below. Thats why this is a pro Al and Pro Teague blog.These guys aren’t interested in winning. Thats why they keep these two idiots on the team…

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Al and Teague could net Al Jefferson from Utah. Jefferson is a major upgrade over Tito Horford Jr.
He will at least play both ends of the court.

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steven a smith,

Why in the Ham n Cheese would ATL trade Teague and All Star Horford for underachiever Al Jefferson?

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Teague couldnt move old man Bibby, hes been here 3 or 4 years and still is a joke. Helll, if Hinrich hadnt broke his leg Teague would still be on the bench. Even when He start the whole year he was less than average. He just another long term project who would be better off on a team that is 1 and done or not going anywhere. Teague is not going to get the hawks to the playoffs or beyond. We will go furhter with Harris than Teague.

Teague is a joke.

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Watching this 1993 Hawks team, I would take Dwayne Ferrell to play SF for Hawks right now…

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callmeout

July 27th, 2012
8:27 pm

Jeff Teague is not a joke. He just lacks confidence against elite players ie…Derek Rose. In time, he will blow by Derek Rose(take him off the dribble)consistently.
Melvin, do you watch the NBA?

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Nique is doing a lot of Heat Checking with no heat in this 1st half….

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steven a smith,

Jefferson is a one dimensional (offensive) player that doesn’t bring that one dimension every night. It’s a reason that you don’t seem his name mention in alot of trade rumors. He’s a guy that put up good stats on bad teams. He may have value this year b/c he has a huge expiring contract. No way you trade an All Star caliber player for him….

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Why did they broke up this 1994 Hawks team with Mookie, Nique, “Plastic Man” Augmon and Willis?

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Melvin

July 27th, 2012
8:52 pm

Why did they broke up this 1994 Hawks team with Mookie, Nique, “Plastic Man” Augmon and Willis?

This the first thing that Melvin said all night that makes any sense!!!

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steven a smith , Teague may have confidence issues too. This aint grade school. And other than Tito, nobody’s daddy is out here protecting their sons. This is a man’s sport and aint no sissy going to get us to the next round.

Now, stop being politically correct with the lack confidence bull, Teague is a sissy. so is Al. But more than that teague is unintelligent as a point guard. The only thing Teague has going for him is he is young and fast. Dudes been here long enough. No more “Jerry’s” Kids.

This is a mans sport. Like Barkley said and every one in the NBA knows Hawks are too soft. Get ride of the softness that Deer in the Headlight Teague and I wannna play power forward Al bring to the table.

Al is very average and so will the hawks be if they keep players like him and teague around.

Bank on it.

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You must be on bath salts to think Antoine Carr was better than Al. Carr was a career bench player in Detroit and Atlanta.

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My goodness, and some complain about Josh shot selection. You don’t want to see Nique in this game. We may have to take his HOF ring…LOL

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Maybe Danny would like to tank this seaon for better drafting position. We need an elite scorer…
As the roster currently stands, there is no “Go to scorer”

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* Al’s career average? 12pts 8 rbs
Al’s College average? 12pts 5 rbs
Al’s playoff’s average? 11 pts 7 rbs
All star? 5 pts 3 rbs.

The 1 year he had 15 pts was went Woodson ran special plays to try to “Get Al involved”

Al is a 12pt 8rb average sissy type scrub no matter how you try and pimp his stats. Night in and Night out year in and year out, this is what Al is worth.

12pts 8rbs

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I guess we will have to go to Jojsh and Harris until we trade Al and teague for a scorer to take the doubles off of Josh.

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Pimp My Stats,

Please post Al Jefferson regular season and playoffs stats. No need to post his stats for the All Star game, we can guess his avg for those games…

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There’s not much difference between Al and Jon Kontract. The were both over paid. Al gets 1,000,000.000 per point he averages. So how is he different from Jon Kontract?

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Man, I left Jefferson off my list – but I would put him 5th and Al 6th. Yet, Al is the 3rd best center in the East,

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*I wouldnt call going from 10pts 1 year to 4 years later 12 pts much to brag about.

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“3rd best center in the East”,

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Adam Keefe, my goodness. Another wasted draft pick….

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Hell, Ivan is better Than Al

Al and zaza are tied.

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Okay – now you changed your name – I am just going to call you crackhead! Al = ZaZa lol!

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AG, you’re wrong, the Hawks became a playoff team after MIKE BIBBY arrived. They didn’t take the 8 seed until Bibby was acquired all star weekend. And the year before, the Hawks were only 3 games out of the 8th seed when Joe Johnson went down with a season ending injury. So please don’t act as if Al was the savior for the team. If that was the case, they wouldn’t have been able to secure the exact same seed without Al playing majority of the season.

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Roy Marble, Doug Edwards, Priest Lauderdal, Ed Gray, Josh Childress, Marvin Williams, Shelden Williams….. and think you wanted to go KA-BOOM for draft picks….

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Damn! Ramon ate AG’ s Lunch!

9:35 pm

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A”year” later, T-s? It was the previous blog. I can find it and cut and paste, but now you’ve already admitted it was hyperbole, which was my entire point, intelligent or not. Have a good evening.

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Melvin

July 27th, 2012
9:06 pm

“Man, I forgot how bad Jon Koncak was… Hawks should sue him for impersonating a pro basketball player”

Jon “Contract” was one of the worst stiffs to ever put on an NBA uniform…

The GM at the time passed on the great Charles Barkley for this stiff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can’t believe Wilkins was not picked as a top 50 of All Times! Crazy!

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Sautee, yea, the Center exaggeration was a few days ago, which you tried to distort. There are other time you bring up exaggerations from months, and years ago and try to pass them off and twisted thought. You should be a politician.

Have a great night,

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The 2006-07 season the Hawks were 30-52. They drafted Al with the third pick. The next season with Al, the team finished 37-45 and went to the playoffs. Al has always played in the post season as a professional. Bibby did join the team that year and the Hawks were 15-18 with Bibby. Bibby was a major upgrade over Tyrone Lue – but Al was a major contributor his rookie season.

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“The Hawks are going to surprise some people!” – Pot head

Surprised? Im shocked and appalled mother fcker.

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I dont’ know what’s going on with Al, unless he’s playing cautious. He just hasn’t looked very good this summer.
But if say Danny were to move Teague and Al, you would think they would be getting something big in return. We talk about Al being a top C in the East, when I don’t see him as a C at all. He is a PF playing near the basket by default. When Zaza is in there, we don’t have 2 C on the court.
Al is a C strictly by LD’s convention.

And Al’s contract is workable and can be moved. If you can move ISO, you can move anyone.

And to keep stirring the pot, did Damien Wilkins get re-signed in DET?

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“Please post Al Jefferson regular season and playoffs stats” – Melvin

I hope this doesnt lose form when uploading.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/al_jefferson/career_stats.html

04-05 rbs4.4 pts 6.7 blk 0.8
05-06 3.4 7.9 0.8
06-07 7.5 16.0 1.5
07-08 7.4 21.0 1.4
08-09 7.5 23.1 1.7
09-10 9.3 17.1 1.3
10-11 9.7 18.6 1.9
11-12 9.6 19.2 1.7
Career 8.9 16.2 1.3

2012 Playoffs Statistics PPG 18.3 RPG 8.50 APG 2.5 EFF + 21.25

Al Jerfferson >>> than Al horford.

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Pimp My Stats,

Your link prove my point. Jefferson been in the league 8 years and been to the playoffs twice, his rookie season and his 8th season. He advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs once in his rookie year when he avg less than 20mins and 6pts. Last season he advantage 18pts and his team got swept. Like I said, he put up good stats on bad teams. His team most successful year came his rookie year and when he played a limited role/mins.

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What happened to the Korver 3 way trade? I thought we were suppose to get R. Lopez (whos essentially a Zaza impact wise).

We need to flip Korver for someone.

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“2006 LaMarcus Aldridge I am sure somebody should have gotten the ax for trading him draft day”

Believe it or not, John Paxson (the guy who traded Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas on draft day) is still the Bulls’ GM.

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The hawks games on nba tv will be blacked out in Atlanta and the hawks viewing terroritory, so local fans will those games on sport south.

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Lot of delusion going on in this thread.

Ivan Johnson at SF????? What the hell are you guys thinking?? One he can’t shoot….two he can’t dribble well enough….three while he may be quick for the 4 he would get smoked at the 3….four I don’t care if he played SF in the D-League

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Jeff Teague is not a top 10 PG but he is Top 11.

Westbrook
Rose
Rondo
D-Will
CP3
Brandon Jennings
Lowry
Stephen Curry
John Wall
Kyrie
Nash
TEAGUE

Argue amongst yourselves

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Lowery, Jennings and Curry are below JT. JT is in the TOP 10!

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2012-13 Depth Chart

Harris L.Williams J.Teague
Morrow Jenkins
J.Smith K.Korver M.Scott
Horford Ivan Johnson J.Williams
Pachulia Petro K.Benson

Only Horford, LWilliams, Jenkins signed past 2012-13…
Most 1yr rentals with Bird rights…but some keepers…
Backcourt much improved, Devin Harris upper echelon PG…
Lou Williams/Anthony Morrow B-movie stars…

Frontline of Pachulia, Horford, Smith is NBA ready…
Petro, Ivan can provide solid minutes off bench…
Lack of vets gives Scott, Jo.Williams, Benson shot…

The team still lacks a slasher that can defend….
The 6′9 swingman that gets his off the dribble…
Anyone know status of Orangeman Donte Green?

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All Hell No!

Chalmers
Nelson
Devin Harris
Collison
Jack
Calderon
Lin
Felton
Sessions
Aaron Brooks
Tyreke Evans
Ben Gordon
Teague
John Wall
Baron Davis
Mike Bibby

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“Najeh Davenpoop

July 28th, 2012
3:37 am
“2006 LaMarcus Aldridge I am sure somebody should have gotten the ax for trading him draft day”

Believe it or not, John Paxson (the guy who traded Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas on draft day) is still the Bulls’ GM.”

No, Paxson has been gone since 2/09. Tim Floyd brought in Gar Forman in Feb ‘09 and is the reason for their most recent success with personnel. He was able to get rid of Thomas.

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Try this on for size;

C-Keith Benson
PF-Al Horford

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Okay – I will give you Ty Lawson- he is a BEAST!

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So much hate for different players.. Al, Teague, Josh… people think D. Harris is the savior. Did he actually go to an All-Star game? Don’t remember that. I just remember Utah thought so highly of him that they traded him for Marvin Williams. Like the say, “One man’s trash is another man’s treasure!”

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Def wrong….on hoopshype…as much as I like the rumors section, not much else is kept up to date there Najeh.

Looking at Houston’s team now that they have signed Lin and Asik, they have Josh Harrelson there until 8/15 if they choose to release him. I wouldn’t mind seeing him here in ATL at 762K. He gives us a better option than Benson, who is Solomon Jones all over again. Harrelson has proven he can play and a decent rebounder. A cheaper version of Zaza IMO and we need depth.

I’m sure Danny’s not done, and it appears on the surface he isn’t interested in rebuilding.

And if you asked me who has the better record entering the playoffs between us and Brooklyn, you would probably take Brooklyn because they are solid in all 5 starting positions.

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I am sure that extra LA actually belongs to the Clips

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Orlando is playing this all wrong. If they were thinking about rebuilding, they should trade D12 ASAP so they can have the worse record as possible for them. A top 3 draft pick in this season’s draft, will go a long way to rebuilding the franchise. Otherwise, with D12, they’re a playoff team still that will have a hard time getting a franchise changing draft pick.

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Ra’mon,
By all indications, the 20113 draft is reported to be as weak as the 2012 was deep. A top 3 pick next year might not be the building block it normally is … shades of 2006.

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The Hawks best players in order, with ages and comments – And know, some players enter their prime at different stages than other players:

Josh Smith – Turns 27 Dec. 5th – Entering his prime

Al Horford – 26 – Beginning his prime

Lou Williams – 26 – Entering his prime

Devin Harris – 29, turns 30 during season – A little past his prime maybe. Came on strong the last two months last season.

Jeff Teague – 24 – Not quite in his prime. Look at what Lowery and Rondo did from age 24 to 26 – exploded.

ZaZa – 28 turns 29 – In his prime. Good job last year.

Anthony Morrow – 27 – In his prime

Ivan Johnson – 28 turns 29 April 10th – In his prime

Kyle Korver – 31 turns 32 in March – Past his prime. This is the first Hawks player of our top 9 that is past his prime.

John Jenkins – 21 turns 22 in March – Just starting out

DeShawn Stevenson – 31, turns 32 in April – Past his prime

Johan Petro – 26 turns 27 in January – Hopefully coming into his prime – he had some promising games last season.

We have so many guys entering their prime, or near it – that is one “X” Factor that gives me some optimism for the upcoming season.

We may fuse together pretty good.

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For those of you who still don’t respect Josh Smith – I just can’t get over his 16.8 pts per game, 13.6 rebounds per game and 4.8 assists per game vs. the Celtics in the playoffs on a bum knee.

The guys is a warrior. Sure I wish he would have shot better. But he is a warrior, no question about it.

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Iso Joe or Iso Lou Williams?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFmspy4Ef00

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i also think DF was a vp in san antoine. not so sure what vp means or designates.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REF5j4wdjmg

Kyle Korver thinking thank God I don’t have to guard Lou Williams this year.

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“We have so many guys entering their prime, or near it – that is one “X” Factor that gives me some optimism for the upcoming season.”

SteveW good analysis. I just don’t get the Korver signing unless it’s just to stock another expiring contract to use for a future trade. High-sider probably expects me to lead the Kyle Korver cheering section since he’s white but the guy is a stiff. His only ability is already duplicated by better players on the roster.

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Its really sad that we could not get more results from Al Horford. He, Marvin William and Jeff Teague are the worst underachievers that have held this team back. If we had Up Graded Al’s Position and Up graded Teague’s Position This team would have be a serious competitor. We will never be a serious competitor with Teague and Horford having any significant role on this team. Both should have been traded with Marvin, That would have clear out what remains of the cores disappointment.

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*That would have cleared out what remains of the cores disappointment.

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So if we cant get D12 for Horford and Teague, How can we upgrade at the center and point guard positions? I get it the Harris is an up grade over Teague, Can we get Al Jefferson as an upgrade over Horford?

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@doc

doc
July 28th, 2012
9:32 pm

i also think DF was a vp in san antoine. not so sure what vp means or designates.
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Did you mean “San Antone” which is one of several nicknames for San Antonio [TX]? Other nicknames for San Antonio include River City, Alamo City, Military City USA and Countdown City. Did the Hispanic/Latino ethnic group[s] “honor” Antoine Carr and Antoine Walker by naming a city after those two [former] NBA players? Did I miss something?

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Ebony & Ivory was a duet between Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder. Grats on having gay ish on your mind.

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What the hell is “commedy” man, its too much Homocoding sissy type stuff from this blogger dude. Ya’ll need to clean up this dude with the commedy/eboy sissy trick game.

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Should sign Matt Barnes and Kenyon Martin so we could march out a lineup of:

PG – DeShawn Stevenson SG – Matt Barnes SF – Ivan Johnson PF – Kenyon Martin C – Zaza Pachulia

AKA All-Goon NBA Team

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I made the Jim Paxson CLE draft summary into a post:

http://repatl.blogspot.com/2012/07/setting-danny-ferrys-record-straight.html

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Starters:

Teague

Harris

Morrow

Horford

Smith

2nd Unit:

Lou

Jenkins

Korver

Ivan

Zaza

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If Harris gets the nod from LD to start over JT, then you better have guys who can score. You can’t count on Harris for scoring.

He has decent Pg size, and I think he and JT could make for a very good combo.

I don’t see us going into training camp without a couple more major tweaks.

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The Kyle Korver signing fulfills the Atlanta Hawks’ new “we-need-at-least-one-American-born-white-player-on-the-roster” policy. [Can you say "reverse affirmative action"?] The Hawks lose Kirk Hinrich and gain [or net] Kyle Korver. See what the Hawks [franchise] did there.

LOL….wow, you would see it that way.

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Buddy Grizzard

July 28th, 2012
10:20 pm

Lou Williams is not a replacement for Joe Johnson Buddy”the idiot.” The Atlanta Hawks will need someone to replace Joe on the defensive side of the ball.

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LOL…

Chris Tomasson: Joe Johnson turns 31 today. And he only has four years and $89 million left on his contract. about 8 minutes ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz221cLgAp0

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Josh Smith is in his prime right now. He already said his window was closing. Every year its more knee injuries from banging with big men, jumping to block shots. His jumping ability is already declining.

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balance is key-i totally agree Ive been saying that josh and teague are the only 2 players on the roster that I would definitely keep. That move on D Roseat the 4:00 mark was sweet. Teague /Harris will more than equal or surpass CP3’s production.

Horford is another story. He will be here this yr but i wont be bothered at all i he i involved in a trade. Ivan gave us much of what Horford would have in limited minutes.

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“Missed out on Robin Lopez. He is a double/double guy who would have been a nice starter at the 5.”

Perhaps if you put down the hater-ade, you’d notice that in his last full season (2010-2011) Horford was third among centers in double-doubles, one behind Al Jefferson, who was second.

BTW, Horford had 2 double-doubles in his 10 games he played this year, whereas Robin Lopez had ZERO in 64 games. So tell me exactly WHEN R. Lopez was / is a “double/double guy”?

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Our offense should be dynamic:

PG – Teague/Harris is going to give you 20+ a nite

SG – Lou/Jenkins is going to give you 20+ a nite

SF – Morrow/Korver is going to give you somewhere around 20 a nite

PF – Josh/Ivan will give you more than 20+ a nite

C – Al/ZaZa will give you 20+ a nite

Defense is another matter – but San Antonio did pretty well with a great offensive team last season – all did Phoenix a couple of seasons ago.

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Sautee

July 29th, 2012
2:22 pm

Salty, Robin Lopez is “4″ times tougher on the glass than Al”Tito” Horford. He is a much better defender than Al “Tito” Horford.

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Like I have said previously, I wish that Danny Ferry was the General Manager of these Blogs. Therefore he coud trade away some of these “dead-weight” Bloggers!!!

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Fake steven a smith – Sautee gave you facts. Now you are questioning Al’s heart. He came back from a season ending injury to play in the playoffs. Enough said!

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And really the lineup, its not about the regular season games.

Its about setting yourself up for future runs in the playoffs. You’re not winning a title with a 31 -32 yo Korver as the 3. Josh Smith has won his chance to play there.

It’s time for the Hawks to admit to past mistakes. We don’t have Don Nelson, no Steve Nash. We admitted Marvin was not going to become the Durant type small ball player and that Joe was overpaid, etc.

Now we’re gonna get pissy about being undersized and playing Nellieball is wrong? YOu really want to try Josh in the Lebron PF role? Again?

Ok. But if you know anything he’s a Iguodala type, and even Lebron would not win with that lineup.

If I told you that you have to use this lineup exclusively:

Teague – Rondo
Lou Williams -
Kyle Korver
Lebron/Iguodala
Al Horford

Could that team get past the Celtics? No. But you remove Korver for a center (Dwight./Pachulia)
You get Dwight you win the title, you get Pachulia to start at least you beat the Celtics up and are better than them.

Teague – Rondo
Lou Williams – Bradley
Lebron/Iguodala vs Pierce
Al Horford vs Bass
Pachulia vs Garnett

I cannot take losing to the Celtics anymore because Larry Drew is bending us over the table and screwing the fans over with this Nellieball garbage.

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AG

July 29th, 2012
3:41 pm

Fake steven a smith – Sautee gave you facts. Now you are questioning Al’s heart. He came back from a season ending injury to play in the playoffs. Enough said!

I am the “real deal” steven a smith, not Stephen A Smith. Now then, Al Horford is “Soft.” He is Charman tissue paper soft. Al couldn’t beat his way out of a soaking wet paper bag!

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stephen a smith,

If Robin Lopez is 4 times tougher on the glass, why is Horford’s rebounding rate higher than Lopez?

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excuse me steven a smith for getting your name wrong in previous posts. my apologies.

Now, about that question…

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Robin Lopez was just traded. 3-Team deal. No one is knocking down the Atlanta Hawks door to get to Al Horford, no one.

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Who is the more overrated Allstar Professional Athlete in Atlanta today?

1. Al “All NBA” Horford

2. Matt “ICE” Ryan

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Whatz up Sautee. looks like you got your hand full….LOL

s.a.s, I gotta agree, Horford Just aint cutting it. But its not because he is physically under size. The average height for a center in the NBA is 6′10″. Sautee and I go back and forth on this but Big Al is closer to 6′ 10 1/2″ 265,

When you look at most exceptional centers like Howard, Bynum, Jefferson, Moses Malone, and so on, they may struggle there first or second year and then Wham! they figure the s hit out, Put on muscle mass and take over the paint.

Not our Al. SMH, His attitude is so not into the position. He could careless. After five (5) years, Al is yet to do any thing at All. Al is a burst, hes peaked. He should have been traded with Marvin. Al brings back too much of what was wrong with the hawks core, Teague does to for that matter.

Jefferson >>>> Al Hoford.

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Slimjr

July 26th, 2012
3:33 pm

The Hawks are going to surprise some people!

Surprised? ? ? Im Shock and fcking Appalled ! How dare they bring back the same project children (teague and Al) from last year and the year before and before? I thought we were going to clear the core project kids up and trade them some where?

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Who is the more overrated Allstar Professional Athlete in Atlanta today?

. Matt “ICE” Ryan is slightly more over rated than Al

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“Now you are questioning Al’s heart. He came back from a season ending injury to play in the playoffs. Enough said!”

Well he did that for the playoff money, Al was the most rested man in the playoffs. All of the other guys were tired and worn down, wore out, after a full season plus playoffs. Al should have dominated and put up 35 or 40 point per night along with 15-20 rbs.. I cant believe it was just another typical performance against tired battle weary old players who folded in the next round.

I expected more from a guy who rested nearly the entire season.

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“Al should have dominated and put up 35 or 40 point per night along with 15-20 rbs.”

To do that, he would have taken shots away from Josh. Not a good idea there, T-s. If you are misguided enough to truly think that Al should shoot that much, then you fail to realize what kind of player he is. Or is not, rather.

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Become a 4th or 5th option with the assembled cast of players.. His scoring is not that important anymore at the 5…

Less shooting more passing out the post to the “skilled’ perimeter players he[Al] should do..

Focus on grabbing 12-17 boards a night

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agreed Slimjr. Al role should be what it should have always been. 12–17 boards, some block 2 or 3 shots, Alter a few shots, put a couple of people on their butts. Score on put backs strong, drawing fouls. Being a 4th or 5th option playoff off the pick and role since his offensive skill set is so limit.

Al’s problem is not knowing and accepting his role.

Sautee if Al had used the energy from resting the majority of the season against th tired old men called the Celtics, he could have taken 12-15 shot from low post play, Drew fouls and got 30pts without taking shots away from Josh or JJ

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I hear your points Sautee@ 7:56 and I wont disagree. Your point is well taken.

Having said that. THE HAWKS STILL NEED A STARTING CENTER, We are not going to win with Al.

No matter how popular Al is to 1 or 2 coaches, Hes not that kind of talent. Id love to have Jefferson instead of Al. The problem I have is Im like Josh, I want to win a championship.

You can Al what you want, but its impossible for me to call him, 2nd or 3rd best. If he was, why did he let Amare punk him out and win the game against him? Isnt Al better than Amare by your standards?

You can keep your 1 or 2 coaches who added Al. The fans arent fooled and Al is never voted as the number 2 center. in the conference. More along the lines of 5th or 6th which would be about right.

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T-s,

I respect that you feel differently, and that’s ok. I feel like Horford is certainly better than either Joel Anthony, or Kendrick Perkins, whose teams were in the Finals. Of course we don’t have a James or a Durant, but we DO have Josh.

Seriously, I’d LOVE to see what a good offensive coach could do with Al and Josh playing a high-low set. You just said yourself that Al was no worse than 5th or 6th in the conference, which means he competes well at that position with all but a few centers. Who in the league do you think we could REALISTICALLY get that is better than Al? Not pipe dreams. Real talk, who could we obtain?

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Al NEVER averaged 30 ppg – so why would you expect him to start during the playoffs?

NEWS FLASH !!! THE ERA OF DOMINATE CENTERS IN THE NBA ARE OVER! Okay, we get D12 to replace Shaq, but there are very few complete centers… David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem, etc. are not walking on the court.

Now, centers are just specialist. You have shot blockers (JaVale McGee), rebound specialist (Joakim Noah), perimeter specialist (Matt Bonner), PF’s who are 7′0 forced to play center although they are clearly just tall (Kevin Garnett, Chris Bosh),or well rounded guys who are pretty good in a lot of areas but are certainly not going to the HOF (Andrew Bynum, Al Horford, Brooks Lopez, Marc Gasol, Al Jefferson).

About 80% of the centers that start in the NBA are just big bodies with really limited skill sets – they grab a couple of boards, score on put backs – but do not fill out the stat sheets (Spencer Hawes, Kendrick Perkins, Joel Anthony).

Then you have the projects… guys drafted but never get it (Hakeem Thabeet, Amir Johnson).

If you compare Al or others.- he is certainly a top 5 center! Also, his nimbers have improved every season (throw out last year 11 game sample size).

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Sautee – you are bringing logic to the argument. That will never work with these guys.

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jhan,

You may be right, but you never know when something lucid could seep in.

Good to see you on the blog. Hope all is well with you and your family.

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AG,

Remember that even those who’s opinions you don’t respect have just as much of a right to be here as you and I do. Personally, I wouldn’t enjoy a blog where everyone agreed.

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The funniest thing is how Sautee calls him my his original blog name, and he answers by that name, yet persists on using various psedonyms while answering to the original name.

Slim, any player who can average at least 15 points while shooting ovewr 50% does NOT need to reduce his FGAs.

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“Slim, any player who can average at least 15 points while shooting ovewr 50% does NOT need to reduce his FGA”

Thats regular season nimbers.. How has Big Al produced in the playoffs? Hmmmmm

Most of the time he’s had not much of an impact in playoff games..Why? Because he has one go to weapon which is is consistently contested by superior playoff defending players! Those open regular season looks are not there so much anymore….

He needs to do other things at his size and position to advance this franchise..

Matt Ryan threw for over 4 thousand yards in the [REGULAR] season and then we saw the Meadow Lands Epic Failure take place in the playoffs.. PLAYOFFS?

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We have shooters now, who can really shoot.. give up the rock Big Man….

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Slim, we have 82 games before the playoffs. And one of the most recent times we watched Al in the plyoffs, I think he produced 19/10 and 3 blocks. When Teague and Lou penetrate and the opposing bug moves over to provide help defense, I’d much rather see Horford take that open 18 footer than just about anyone else on the team over 6′7″.

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Guess that [set shot] wasn’t falling?

New season. We got shooters..Give it up Big Man…

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This Hawks Franchise for 44 years has been pure misery..HeHeHe

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he he he in spite of all the money and the press …. the knicks might have been as bad or as worse even with the ewing years. sorry slimj, if you throw darts you better be ready to catch em.

prediction, melo aint the answer and point guard will be pure misery for woody. seems like old times to me.

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“We have shooters now, who can really shoot.. give up the rock Big Man….” – slimjr

Slim, that yet another straw man by you. Nobody on the blog has complained about Horford “giving up the rock”, now have they? And have any of those “shooters who can really shoot” shot as well as 56% from the field?

Horford has.

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“. the knicks might have been as bad or as worse even with the ewing years. sorry slimj, if you throw darts you better be ready to catch em.” -doc-

OH Chit is this an imposter??????????????? Yes?

“Speechless somewhere in Georgia….Hahahahaha

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39, 40 or 41 there slimj for one of the premier franchises in the nba? and you degrade the hawks?

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slimj, maybe i need to go back and figure it up for you by dawgnole math, heh heh.

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seems like the same record.

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Funny how folks on here constantly dogg Horford, IMO, for no reason. Horford is a team 1st kind of player who saw fit to let the Opt 1 (JJ) and Opt 2 (Josh) guys shine while he basically played smart, doing what the defense gave him and others. He doesn’t force anything, passes well for a big guy and has a really nice 16-18 footer jumper. Is a 2-time AllStar while playing out of position. Horford basically had no real season this past season due to injury but still gave a heck of a effort in the last 2 playoff games.

After saying all of that, next season is the season for Horford to play up to his full potential! He will be entering the season being the 2nd Opt behind Josh and he knows it!! To take anything from his play during the Olympics is just foolish. Those games were the 1st real games he played after his months long injury while playing on a DOMINICAN REPUBLIC team of basically garbage players. NO ONE IS GOING TO GIVE THEIR ALL WHEN HE OR SHE KNOWS THE SQUAD THEY ARE PLAYING ON IS GARBAGE. Case-in-point, Dwight is by far the best player on the Magic’s team. When he finally realized his team was garbage and never gave it their all every night on the floor, he basically gave up!! The effort just wasn’t there due to no motivation from his teammates. That’s just human nature. You are not gonna bust yo butt for nothing. Now, not to compare Horford to Dwight but I was just making a point that Horford was on a garbage team and he really had nothing to prove trying to go up against the USA team or any team for that matter considering the fact that his team just wasnt good enough to go far in the Olympics.

So again, dont be surprise to see Horford put on a show for our Atlanta Hawks this season cause Dude will have something to prove and I just cant wait to see it up close and in person. There will be no Joe dribbling for days and Josh will now be able to relax and not force stupid shoots nor make dumb turn overs just to prove to the NBA world that he deserves to be an ALLSTAR or that he is a better player than Joe. Josh WILL be making quality shots and making smarter passes to Horford for very easy layups/ally’s. I do see both Josh AND Horford avg no less than 25pg/20pg respectfully. MARK MY WORDS!!

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PGS – In talking about San Antonio and Phoenix the past couple of years, I’m trying to figure out how Marion at the 3 enters the equation?

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The Josh playoff shooting % last year may not have been directed at stephen smith – I can’t remember who brought up Al’s playoff shooting %. So I just reread my post, and it sounded like I was directing that at smith also. I wasn’t – Just general info.

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Morrow, Korver, Jenkins – We have some deadeye 3 point shooters this year.

Throw in Lou, Harris, and Teague – along with Al who can drain open midrange jumpers all day long, we have indeed become a team of jumpshooters.

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The NBA Coach’s kept electing Al at C to the All Star team, not Brook Lopez.

But Greg Monroe may take Hibbert, Al, Bargnani, Lopez, whoever’s place as an All Star C on a perenniel basis. That guy has talent, and he’s young, like only 22 or something.

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And if Lamarcus Aldredge had Josh’s playoff stats of 16.8 ppg, 13.6 rebounds, and 4.8 dimes, the National press would be vomiting out non-stop incessant praise of the next, great, perenniel All Star LaMarcus Aldredge.

But Josh, on a bum knee, will his way to those stats against the Celtics no less – and the silence is deafening.

Has Aldredge ever averaged 8 rebounds per game in a season yet?

Has Lopez even averaged 7 rebounds in a season yet?

They may have, I haven’t looked – but I know Josh and Al are way better rebounders than those two.

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@doc [and Buddy Grizzard and Big Ray]

doc
July 29th, 2012
10:36 pm

are pgs, slimj, t-s and h-s the same person?
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No, but “High-sider,” “Hi-tech Lynching,” “The Real Mandingo,” “The Spook Who Sat by the Door,” “Uncle Tom” and “Give-us Us Free [Amistad]” are/were the same person. [See the "Angry Black Male" theme (going on there).] LOL!!!!!

P.S. I was just kidding about the “San Antone/Antoine” comment yesterday. LOL!

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There is no other go-to guy on the Hawks BUT Josh and Horford..Teague and Harris will get theirs but both Josh and Horford are the first 2 options this year!!

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anyway for the good friend slimj, the intentional antagonist to the hawks sad history.

with all that money and even one of the best centers of the last sixty years as certain guys here seek out the perfect center, i might add, , in ewing, there have been only TWO championships for the over spending, most adored group of losers since the mets in the new york knicks, to never have done anything with the luxuries they have been adorned. TWO championships for the big metropolis of new york in my long lifetime. combine that with the nets run of mediocrity and i sense a much bigger wasteland in new york than in the big a. sorry, two championships for the greater new york basketball teams in how many attempts?

fyi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Knicks#Early_years_.281946.E2.80.931967.29

sorry, so sorry a group of franchises that side of the mason dixon line.

slimj, woody is going to bring it to you? maaahhhhahahah

slimj were you even alive when the knicks won their two in 70 and 73?

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@SteveW

“…But Josh, on a bum knee, will his way to those stats against the Celtics no less – and the silence is deafening.

Has Aldredge ever averaged 8 rebounds per game in a season yet?…” – SteveW @11:28pm, 7/29/2012

LaMarcus Aldridge’s Partial Regular Season NBA Stats -

2009-2010: 17.9ppg, 8.0rpg [78 games]
2010-2011: 21.8ppg, 8.8rpg [81 games]
2011-2012: 21.7ppg, 8.0rpg [55 games]

Through 18 career playoff games, LaMarcus Aldridge has averaged 19.8ppg, 7.0rpg and 1.6apg while shooting 46.2% from the field and 75.0% from the free throw line.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html

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now how many banners did you hang in new york with the best center in the league with the knicks slimj?

oh, the best guy was in houston and only 6′10″? heh heh

shaq was a freak but ewing was there early on. how could the knicks have failed? with all that money too.

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is steven a doing his best impersonations again…….Hahahaha

Hey Sautee: yawn…….

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HS – I also looked up Lopez’s numbers, and saw he averaged over 8 boards a game his 1st couple of seasons – then his last full season – 5.9!

And he was only averaging 3.5 rebounds per game before he was injured in 5 games last season.

And thanks for making my point about Josh and Lamarcus – He averages 19.8, 7.0, and 1.6 – and he’s great.

Josh goes for 16.8, 13.6, and 4.8 and he’s chopped liver nationally, and even on this blog sometimes.

Slim – I hear what your saying – but that’s really difficult to tell how LaMarcus would do in the East. I guess one could get the stats from somewhere about his stats vs. Eastern Conference teams – but not this cowboy – life’s too short.

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Aldridge is seen as a throwback, a natural post player. Josh is a better wing player, and moves his feet better on defense.

Of course you can say Josh is a better player. But at best both are 3rd best players on a title team, so whats the point?

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PGS – The point really is national perception. I hear about Aldredge’s greatness on a regular basis with ‘casters just gushing.

And Josh gets the shoulder shrug.

But Josh overall is a better player.

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“You just said yourself that Al was no worse than 5th or 6th in the conference, which means he competes well at that position with all but a few centers. Who in the league do you think we could REALISTICALLY get that is better than Al? Not pipe dreams. Real talk, who could we obtain?” -Sautee

First lets clear up the misconception with your argument. Being 5th 6th or 7th best center in your conference is not going to get you past the second round.

Now to help your argument I took Al’s best 1 year to help him, because if I take his over all performance during his five year career, Al leaves me shaking my head. With out singling out his 1 best year Al would easily fit in the bottom 45% of the conference and bottom 35% of the NBA. So to help poor Al, I took His 1 productive year. which again is misleading because that’s not a good measure of what he does night in night out. All players have good games and bad games, good seasons and bad season. You have to measure their impact by the total of their career. If that is the standard then I would rather have Al coming off the bench than starting.

Stats here’s are from his one (1) decent year.

From an offensive stand point, Al is ranked by NBA.com as #4 amongst eastern teams and #5 if you include the west.

Lets look at what Al brings to the table defensively. We certainly want our center’s ability to block and ALTER shots while denying the paint and the rim. That’s what centers do and what the position was designed for. This more than other things measure the quality of your center’s impact.

In that critical area (blocks) Al ranks # 11 which is very close to the bottom when you consider there are 15 teams in the Eastern Conference. He falls to #22 when you look at the NBA as a whole, which means in the key area of protecting the rim by blocks, alters, denying a path to the basket Al is amongst the bottom 20% in our conference and the bottom 25% in the NBA

Ok lets go to Al’s strongest point, Double Double (rebounds and points) where he ranked 2nd in the conference amongst centers (I went to 2010-11). There were 6 centers whose numbers were logically equal to Al’s but the actual arrangements Al’s was was listed 2nd. This is probably the most insignificant and misleading of all the stats. I say this because:

a) 10/10 is a double double but it doesn’t mean you did any serious damage.
b) rebounds often happen when some one else plays the defense and you wait for the rebound
c) there are 21 players in the east conference alone who have put up more than 21 games of DD’s

So Al who’s career average is 12pts and 8 rebs (nearly a DD) is a marginal double double.

So here’s my summary:

Al’s very best is only 20% of what his career performance is, in other words Al is at his very best 20% of the time (1 decent year out of 5) No excuses, it is what it is.

Al will live near the double double but that’s closer to 10/10. In addition there are well over 50 players in the NBA who have posted more than 10 games of double double. Meaning this is not a very difficult to reach stat.

Most importantly, defensively, even in Al’s one (1) good year, he was amongst the bottom 20% of centers. Completely non serviceable protecting the rim. And that was his best year. SMH.

So in conclusion. 20% of the time Al is a decent scorer, the other 80% of the time hes a non performer or is injured (still non performing). 100% of the time he is a very inadequate defender in the paint. That is the testimony of Al’s career as a hawk. You can call it All star/All NBA if you like.

I call it Awful and gone fishing after round 2. because you will never ever never get past the second round with Al defending your rim. Never with Al on your front line as a starter. It taint going to happen.

Luke warm offensively and none existing defensively. When you talk about being a complete force at the 5 spot Al would move down to 15 or 16 NBA or 7th 8th conference making him an average Joe and not a top center.

Time to trade Al

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Sautee – I can appreciate us on the blogs agreeing to disagree. Just when people call Al a loser because he will average 15 ppg 10 rbs this season. But – less than a dozen centers in the NBA will do better – so if I have a top 5 center – is he truly a loser or Kendrick Perkins, Joel Anthony etc? I can’t stomach Jason Collins (Boston) or ZaZa (brick hands) in our starting lineup!

Also, the 7 to’s in the playoffs – Al was clearly very rusty! I did watch him have a monster 4th quarter to atone for those turnovers.

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Msdee,

I know Horford is a 2nd option on this team and has to be that way my point being is in an ideal situation he is not Doesnt make him a bad player I like Horford as a player. I think Smith is a 2nd option at best in an ideal situation but will play on this team as the first option.

SteveW, you have made some excellent points in regards to the team and I agree with them.

I think this team as constructed will get anywhere as high as a 5seed and as low as an 8. Good thing about this team is that there should be some good spacing to get the perimeter guys good shots. Definetely need a SF and I would take Iggy if he can be had for very little the Hawks give up.

I am also curious to see how the fanbase will react to showing up to the Phillips arena for this seasons team. I plan on going to some games when I am in the area visiting some family.

I am suprised Ivan has not been signed yet. It seemed the market has dried up for him.

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ag,

Perkins is not a bottom tier C, he was, however, a fish out of the water against MIA, who now is playing a style of small ball which is unique and only possible when you have Lebron as your low post point power forward, Wade on the wings and a very effective Bosh from the elbow making a mini-Garnett impersonation.

Try this same scheme with anyone else and you will not win 30 games.

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“Iggy
Josh
Horford”

That front line will have difficulty scoring the ball in the playoffs..Better hope your guards can carry them for 48 mins? Where’s iso when ya need him?

1st or 2nd round elimination would be the order of the day..

The Horford fan club was in full effect last night!

Dont you just love how they quote his “nimbers” in his 1st playoff game return? Did his contribution contribute to any wins? —Crickets— —– hear a penny drop—-

Doc made changes in his “D” the next game and Big AL was “cooked” [7 huge to's].

Whatever………………..4th or 5th option……

BTW bjerry.. Buck was more skilled than Al… He maximized his game…Played bigger than 6′8″ too..

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Ewing was a notorious choker down stretch, settling for long jumpers and clanking them.

He was steamrolled by Hakeem in the finals:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ewingpa01/gamelog/1994/

Pretty meager those FG% in the finals eh?

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Truthfully, Teague needs to be the second option to Josh, not Al. Being one of the top 2 options has to include the ability to consistently create your own shot. Teague/Al pick and roll may be one of the most used plays, but Al is still a third option at best (depending on Harris’ or William’s play). When teams start sending double teams to Al or making him a focal point of stopping, his lack of ability to create will magnify significantly.

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When the defense stops our shooters, Al and Josh will be open to create plays for themselves. For some reason, Im not worried about this team, I really do see us going as far as top 4 seed. Plus we still can make adjustments b4 trade deadline, so be happy fans, we are gonna look darn good this season w/o the ISO Joe and the Invisible man, Marvin!!

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MsDee, you say lets wait until teams start doubling him. Why? We’ve already seen that he can’t even score consistently against Brandon Bass or Taj Gibson.

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“Has been progressively losing his warrior mentality and lacks some length and athleticism to be an above average rim defender, however, he is not the free pass that many describe him to be.”

Vava, this is a fair and balanced description of All-NBA. What people are failing to realize is that the roster is being constructed to play to Al and Josh’s strengths. Ferry told Jeff Schultz that, for the first time in modern Hawks history, the Hawks will be running the pick-and-roll:

http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2012/07/25/hawks-ferry-doesnt-see-josh-smith-going-anywhere/?cxntfid=blogs_jeff_schultz_blog

With all the shooters to space the floor, Horford will get plenty of looks in isolation in the post. If he can’t beat his man, he has well above average passing skills for his position and can hit a shooter or a cutter. Keep in mind, Horford will spend much of this season being guarded by the opposing team’s second-best post defender. The opposition’s best post defender will be guarding Josh, a proven low-post scorer.

We will see a lot of two-man game with Al rolling to the basket or picking and popping. Teams will not be able to collapse into the lane the way the did last year against Memphis, which had two legitimate post threats but no knock-down shooters. This will create a lot of isolation in the post for Al and Josh and also create driving lanes for a squad loaded with guys who can attack the basket off the dribble.

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so, if folks would not try to read an all star is a superstar, things would be right. all star al does his work, toils well and gets paid well but he isnt overpaid by market standards. he isnt nor pretend to be a superstar and that is one of the special things about him that seems to go over the superficial folks here.

anyway, there is a huge difference in all star and superstar. in atlanta we probably have had too few encounters with superstars and the last encounter ended terribly bad. a lot of baggage left over on that one. al isnt an all star and he has appropriately acted out who he is. josh is as close as it gets to a superstar though not an all star. guess it goes both ways.

again, all stars are one thing, superstars another. simple stuff. we may only have two of one and i hope we see them in tandem this year at an all star game. we have none of the other. i can only hope those two continue to work so well with each other in spite of their detractors here trying to say there should be a rivalry or decision made on them. we need them both to play at their highest level or there will be misery here in loserville once again. my wish is maybe real hawks fans ought to get behind both of them.

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Buddy Grizzard

July 30th, 2012
10:09 am

“Some losr is trolling, Not my comment at 10:07. Guess it’s time to go, if anyone posts with my hamdle the rest of the A.M, it’s sure not me.”

You will have an easier time trolling my handle if you run your posts through a spell checker first!

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wonder what the trigger is?

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Gay porn, always on my mind.

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karl malone-superstar and scored the most points ever in the nba? now why would anyone bring his name up in the conversation?

compare him for dollar value and he ranks high. in the new nba that counts a huge amount. dollar for dollar who does he underperform against as a center or pf? not many 12 mil all stars out there are there? there are a lot of 15 mil and up players not all stars.

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doc,

I was merely referring to pick n roll prowess… namely, Al can be a very effective but not super effective pick n roll player.

Also, we don’t have Stockton to make those entry passes

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Royal Ivey just signed a one year deal with the Sixers. Did anyone think, in 2004 when the Hawks drafted him, that he would be in the league for nine years?

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15 players picked ahead of Ivey, including three lottery picks, are no longer in the league.

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Ra’mon
for that offer i will gladly purchase tacos/burritos from a hawks fan price included.

Najeh
No way, i thought ivey was done for but there seems to be a want for defensive PGs and he’s always been that.

I watched the China vs Spain game and it was awesome, Spain has the size and shooters to be able to beat team USA. China’s Yi Jianlin looked great and they had a quick backup PG that came in and played fearless, international ball is so fun to watch, I just wish they didnt allow you to sleep in the lane on Defense.

Theres been no hawks rumors of possible signings since randy foye, we still need that darn SF defender. anyone hear of anything?

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“Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel: Disgruntled superstar Dwight Howard told Orlando Magic general manager Rob Hennigan and assistant general manager Scott Perry during a face-to-face meeting in southern California on Wednesday that he still wants to be traded and that he will not sign another contract with the team, a source familiar with the discussion told the Orlando Sentinel. Hennigan and Perry did not explicitly try to convince Howard to drop his trade request, the source said. Instead, the Magic officials said they wanted to build a relationship with Howard since they are new to the Magic organization. Howard responded by saying he has no interest in building a relationship with them because he does not want to begin the season in Orlando. … Howard’s agent, Dan Fegan, and Howard’s manager, Kevin Samples, also attended Wednesday’s meeting, which ended with handshakes.”

So Dwight wants out of Orlando before the season starts. If Orlando honors his wishes then it limits Dwight’s options for who can get him. What does this do for the Hawks chances?

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Rev in Tampa

This whole situation is annoying and its making everyone dislike dwight more and more daily. It seem a deal needs to be done before the season starts or dwight wont play for ORL during the regular season. If they trade dwight before the season he will end up a Laker and that team will be the greatest time I have ever seen(even better than late 90’s Bulls) with Nash running thing,s Kobe being clutch, Metta playing crazy D, Pau destroying down-low, and Dwight owning the paint. LAL would sweept MIA in the finals.
If somehow ORL keeps dwight, we(ATL) need to trade AL and devin harris & a 1st to ORL and let dwight be a rental for a year. We could make the ECF with Dwight and if he leaves after the season so what. Id rather have Dwight for a half a year and give up AL and have a chance at going to the finals rather than being a possible second round team with AL and cap room and NO chance at going to the finals.

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“I’ll be impressed when he stops whining about playing the 5 and developes a reliable post game.” – I MUS WRITE

I MUS, while I agree that he BADLY needs to improve his post game, I’ll challenge you on the whining accusation. Show me one quote where he is “whining about playing center”, and I’ll give in. But I don’t think you’ll find one.

Most of what you will find is like this from an earlier MC blog:

“Sund said the focus would getting bigs for the last three roster spots. That’s good news to Al, who thinks the Hawks definitely need to acquire a bona fide center.”

“We need to get another big guy, another center, that’s able to help myself and Josh out,” he said. “We need to have someone to come in and have an impact. I think that is the position we need if we want to be any type of contender in the East.”

“Al said he doesn’t necessarily mean getting a center to supplant him as the starter so he can move to power forward. Rather, it could be a scenario where the new center plays a lot of minutes and L.D. can mix and match from among the new guy, Al, Josh, Zaza and any other big guys Sund adds (a Jason Collins return is a possibility if he gets in better shape).”

“I don’t have a problem splitting time [at center],” Al said. “I played a little four last year with Zaza in the game at the same time and I thought that was good. I know I am going to still play the five.”

He said he’s fine with that (it seems odd that an All-Star has to say that). He said he knows some fans and media seem to be more concerned about his position than him. But the way he sees it the Hawks have to play to their strengths, which includes a lineup with him at center.

“I think we create a lot of problems when have an athletic lineup with Josh at the four, me at the five and Marvin at the three,” Al said. “I think we create serious problems for people. I think that is one of our strengths as a team is we are so versatile.”
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Now did that sound like he was “whining” about playing center? Nope.

Like I said, if you can find a quote where he’s whining about playing center, let us in on it, please. Otherwise don’t accuse him without proof.

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Ms Dee I just realized you made my whole point about spacing before I did. Was reading back through the thread and realized my analysis was a day late and a dollar short.

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“Has anyone noticed that the above doesn’t match LD’s princetonian offense?”

I’m gonna have a post soon at rep ATL dot com about what I suspect regarding Ferry’s many comments about how the Hawks are going to play.

“So Dwight wants out of Orlando before the season starts. If Orlando honors his wishes then it limits Dwight’s options for who can get him. What does this do for the Hawks chances?”

It all depends on what Andrew Bynum wants to do. If he wants to stay a Laker, all he has to do is have his agent let Houston and Cleveland know that he won’t extend with them and nobody is going to trade assets for him. If he’s cool with going to Cleveland and Hennigan thinks that Varejao and picks is a good deal, Bynum will be teaming up with Uncle Drew.

I really don’t see Cleveland having that much to offer. Houston, on the other hand, is well stocked with picks. However, it’s doubtful that either Howard or Bynum would commit to play there beyond the final season on their contracts. Houston isn’t going to give up picks and prospects if they don’t think they can retain the player they receive in a deal.

That’s why the Hawks are in prime position, because of Al Horford’s contract. Horford is signed long-term to a below-market deal. He’s a perfect building block because he’s not on a max contract but gives All-Star production. A team like Houston could trade picks and prospects to Orlando (which is what Hennigan wants, to build his own team up from the ground) while recevinging Al Horford from the Hawks while Dwight goes to Atlanta. Houston wouldn’t have to worry about retaining Horford: He’s under contract for the next 4 seasons at a very reasonable $12m per season.

Horford would also be a good fit in the front court with Asik. Horford is not thought of on this blog as an elite defensive player, but defense is Asik’s primary skill. Asik will carry more of the defensive burden while Horford gets most of the touches on offense for the front court. As we mentioned earlier, Horford’s potential in the pick and roll and pick and pop is excellent if the offense is structured that way. Lin thrives in the pick and roll and would complement Horford perfectly.

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Schortsanitis is nicknamed Baby Shaq because he is 6′9″, 345 pounds, and is one of the Euroleague’s best players. He was drafted in 2003 but is still only 27 years old.

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Pretty mobile for a guy who is built like an offensive lineman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrs4rGBMlbw

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Baby Shaq probably wouldn;t make enough money in the NBA to justify a Euro leaue buyout (assuming he has one) and certainly wouldn’t be worth losing even a million in cap space for a long-term contract. His value as a player is likely akin to that of Cenk Akyol.

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“I MUS, while I agree that he BADLY needs to improve his post game,” -Sautee-

Start working on it? After 6 years he still does not have a post game.. lol

“Peak” is the operative word that comes to mind……Hmmmmm

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“Will the double teams ever come?” Don’t hold your breath…

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dang you najeh davenpoop

i thougt i got to break some hawks news for once

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[Sofo Schortsanitis]

This guy make All NBA look like a superstar……Yawn….

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Sofo would foul out in the NBA every time he would play more than 10 minutes.

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The guy can’t be on the floor at the Euro level for half of the game due to fouls and lack of conditioning and for you he is a beast…

How can you think anyone can take you for more than the frustrated Knicks’ fan you are?

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What a fat guy he is

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