Updated: Hawks acquire Korver
Vivlamore filling in for M.C.
Kyle Korver is the latest shooter being stockpiled on an ever-changing Hawks’ roster.
A trade for Korver, a guard known for his 3-point shooting, was completed Monday. The Hawks acquired the veteran from the Bulls for cash considerations.
“I appreciate the toughness and the competitive energy Kyle brings to the game every night, and we’re very excited to add
him to our team.” Danny Ferry, Hawks President of Basketball Operations/GM, said in a statement released by the team. “Adding him makes shooting an even greater strength for our club.”
The deal was several days in the making. Korver was in Atlanta for a physical on Saturday.
Korver was owed a $500,000 guarantee of his $5 million non-guaranteed salary for 2012-13 by the Bulls by Sunday.
“We led the NBA in wins two years in a row, and (I) loved the personalities and chemistry we had,” Korver told the Chicago Tribune Friday when news of the potential trade first surfaced. “The bond we had was unique. You always feel you could’ve done more, but everybody on our team gave it all we had and there’s at least some satisfaction in that.”
In 65 games for the Bulls last season, Korver averaged 8.1 points in 22.6 minutes per game. He was 10th in the NBA in 3-point percentage at .435 (118-for-271).
The Hawks have added shooters Lou Williams, Devin Harris, Anthony Morrow and first-round pick John Jenkins during the offseason.
Korver, 31, was a second-round pick (No. 51) by the Nets in the 2003 draft. He was traded to the 76ers, where he spent his first four-plus seasons. He also played for Jazz before playing the past two seasons with the Bulls.
- Chris Vivlamore
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richy
July 16th, 2012
11:06 pm
Howard probably wont sign with the team he gets traded too. Hawks should just wait it out and try and sign him.
Harry Hawk
July 16th, 2012
11:07 pm
It’ll be easier for the Hawks to become a true contender if guys like Josh Smith aren’t main cogs. Therefore, he should be traded in the final year of his deal to acquire assets that could be moved for a superstar-level talent. That is all.
Melvin
July 16th, 2012
11:17 pm
Look like OJ Mayo is going to Dallas…
OJ Mayo @JuiceMayo32
I will be signing with dallas! #Mavsnation
pointguardslim
July 16th, 2012
11:19 pm
Josh Smith is a good main cog. The problem is him being the pressure release.
He’s more Lebron or Iguodala (big wing and passer) than Bosh or Elton Brand. Put Horford at the PF and let the Hawks break some necks.
J
July 16th, 2012
11:28 pm
This is what you do when your grabbing for straws. Knockdown shooter. Yeah all 8.1 pts.That’ ain’t going to far. Who can he guard in the NBA? It’ll take the 3 new guys just to average the points Joe Johnson was bringing to the table. A whole bunch of movement. Back to the drawing board before the Hawks were even contenders. Might as well break up the team and start this mess all over again. If you want to win games? This isn’t the way to get it done.
Hoops
July 16th, 2012
11:29 pm
Josh Smith had his best year as a pro basketball player this past season. Why? Al Horford was injuried and Josh had to play PF most of the time. Josh IS NOT a SF. All of you people that want to move Al to PF are just moving your best player out of position! Trade Al or keep him at 5. JOSH is a PF.
myrak43
July 16th, 2012
11:32 pm
for all of you saying that Larry Drew needs to be fired and the Hawks will never win with him as the coach…………… the same thing was said about Erik Spoelstra and the Heat. How did that turn out?
myrak43
July 16th, 2012
11:35 pm
Larry Drew is not the problem…….. get a complete team then evaluate LD. hell the same thing was said about the Celtics and Doc Rivers before they got the Big Three, now he is said to be one of the best coaches in the game right now.
J
July 16th, 2012
11:36 pm
Howard would be out of his mind to even think to come to the hawks at this point. He’d be right back in the middle of a rebuilding franchise and probably 5 years away from even starting to look like a contender. I feel sorry for the season ticket holders.
myrak43
July 16th, 2012
11:37 pm
a line-up like this:
CP3/ L-Will
Harris/ L-Will
JChill/ Krover
Smoove/ Ivan
Dwight/ Zaza
equals LD one of the best coaches in the game……
myrak43
July 16th, 2012
11:39 pm
J
July 16th, 2012
11:36 pm
why do you say that?
CP3/ L-Will
Harris/ L-Will
JChill/ Krover
Smoove/ Ivan
Dwight/ Zaza
is a championship team in year one which would be 2013-2014 season… that is not 5 years away.
JProc41ATL
July 16th, 2012
11:46 pm
I think it’s funny how people make assumptions about a team before one game! Heck even one practice!!! A team on paper means nothing! If teams were judged on paper, the Knicks would be the best team in the NBA! The last time I checked, teams win by working together. Give this year’s team a chance before calling them terrible…
pointguardslim
July 16th, 2012
11:52 pm
Josh Smith’s best year was in 2010.
The only other time Josh played SF was when he was 18-21 years old. Pretty weak ass argument to say he had his best year as a PF.
When the Hawks lost in the 1st round at that.
And most SFs are so big they can play PF as well. Durant, Josh, Lebron, Granger, Pierce, Anthony.
If Dwight Howard comes here the best team has Josh playing the 3 anyways.
Josh, Al, Dwight
anyone heard of the Triple Post Offense ?
Its over, Frazier goes down, Frazier goes down.
July 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
Dwight Howard Trade Rumors: Could The Center Sit Out Season If Not Dealt? Lakers, Rockets, Hawks Still in Running
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By IBTimes Staff Reporter:
July 16, 2012 2:57 PM EDT
Dwight Howard is determined to get out of Orlando by any means necessary.
The Hawks have also been targeting Howard, hoping to bring the center back to his hometown. Atlanta would send Al Horford and Jeff Teague to Orlando in a potential deal. The Hawks might be reluctant to make such a deal without a commitment from Howard, but they’re hopeful that his friend Josh Smith could convince him to stay in Atlanta.
It’s hard to visualize Howard not playing this season if Orlando can’t move him. NBA Commissioner David Stern would almost certainly step in, and possibly suspend him without pay.
Howard has not publicly responded to the report.
SMMMOOOKKKKEEE WWEEEDD EVVVERYDAYYY
July 17th, 2012
12:00 am
Josh Smith’s best year was in 2010.
If Dwight Howard comes here the best team has Josh playing the 3 anyways.
roll it up my homeboy rollitup….
High-sider
July 17th, 2012
12:01 am
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pointguardslim
July 17th, 2012
12:01 am
Hoops you are being A) ignorant or B) an ingrate or possibly C) both, an ignorant ingrate.
How many years does Josh Smith have to prove himself before so-called Hawks fans stop doubting his versatility? He’s a damn near superstar when he’s a wing. The mismatches him and his teams create with him vs SGs and SFs is incredible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG7smUGa8h0
Or should I post the games where the Hawks won and lost to the Knicks solely based on Josh guarding Carmelo (both played PF). Knicks sucked on rebounding, Anthony rebounded and didnt give it to a guard, and turned it over a bit trying to be point-forward, etc.
Even Carmelo has the same flaws as a PF.
Stoudemire came back a few games and had like 12points but the Knicks won because they had 3 big men on the front line. The extra big man helps/.
BD
July 17th, 2012
12:04 am
Josh is a top 4 power forward
Al aint even top 15 so the best team is Howard and Josh in the front court and Al off the bench. But the reality is Al would be homeless on that team because he cant play the 4 better than Josh and he cant play the 5 better than D12. and he cant play the 3 at all. So Al is gone dude. Say good by to Average Al .
pointguardslim
July 17th, 2012
12:11 am
Why do you keep changing your name every post? As if you’re a 1 man congregation.
Josh Smith can’t play the 3 at all? But Korver and Damien Wilkins can?
Small forwards come in all types.
That’s Josh Smith, who’s been playing in ATL for 7 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIRqlWBvYE
Show some respect.
pointguardslim
July 17th, 2012
12:13 am
Damn. Please tell me you are some import fan or something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIRqlWBvYE
We beat the Bulls, Thunder, Knicks and Orlando with Josh on their SFs last year
I dont know what bothers me more the lack of respect or the ignorance.
myrak43
July 17th, 2012
12:16 am
Josh Smith can play SF if you have a back court of CP3 and Devin Harris. because you would have to gaurds that can create on the floor at the same time. but I do like Smoove at the 4 better
Larry Drew
July 17th, 2012
12:16 am
Anyone who thinks LD can be a good NBA coach is just down right stupid.
Danny Mannin'
July 17th, 2012
12:16 am
I’ve seen Scott play in person. He could bring what Charles Barkley brought to the table. The dude will score and he is more physical than his size. He won’t be picking up minutes this season, but I think he’s a great pick.
Larr
July 17th, 2012
12:17 am
Enter your comments here
myrak43
July 17th, 2012
12:22 am
Larry Drew
July 17th, 2012
“”"”"”12:16 am
Anyone who thinks LD can be a good NBA coach is just down right stupid.”"”"”
anyone who makes post like this is just plan ignorant. and incapable of adding any intelligent input a debate.
BD
July 17th, 2012
12:31 am
Josh is one of the best power forwards in the NBA The only people that are stupid enough to ask he to play the 3 are Al Horford Fans who realize their boy cant play his position. And while Al may be a serviceable 4 hes not the caliber of 4 that Josh is, not by a long shot so the only way Al has a position if we get a real center is if Josh move over as a charity to Al. It aint happen folks. Josh is our power forward and is a better power forward than Al. Our goal is to put the best player in the positions not give charity to our favorite friend .
Get real.
BD
July 17th, 2012
12:34 am
*The only people that are stupid enough to ask him to play the 3 are Al Horford Fans who realize their boy cant play his position.
drmaryb.(""_*).
July 17th, 2012
12:36 am
Hugh Jass!
“With a screen name like that, you must be incredibly disappointed to see Marvin get traded.” – Najeh -
______________
Ha Ha Ha … I was thinking the exact same thing when, i saw that handle. LOL!
Ted
July 17th, 2012
12:44 am
Korver does not have enough tattoos to play for the Hawks.
Hoops
July 17th, 2012
12:48 am
pointguardslim,
You’re funny!
pointguardslim
July 17th, 2012
12:53 am
Lebron is one of the best small forwards in the NBA The only people that are stupid enough to ask he to play the 4 are Mike Miller/Battier Fans who realize their boy cant play his position. And while Miller/Battier may be a serviceable 3 hes not the caliber of 3 that Lebron is, not by a long shot so the only way Battier/Miller has a position if Lebron move over as a charity to Shane/Miller. It aint happen folks. Lebron is our small forward and is a better small forward than Battier.
Our goal is to put the best player in the positions not [explore lineups big and small to win a championship].
And VD or whatever your English is bad homme.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 17th, 2012
1:01 am
Don’t know if this was posted earlier, but Joe thinks his swag level is at 9.5 and that will help Brooklyn win a title. I wonder if an increased swag level allows him to make quicker decisions with the ball.
pointguardslim
July 17th, 2012
1:06 am
Lebron is one of the best small forwards in the NBA The only people that are stupid enough to ask he to play the 4 are Mike Miller/Battier Fans who realize their boy cant play his position. And while Miller/Battier may be a serviceable 3 hes not the caliber of 3 that Lebron is, not by a long shot so the only way Battier/Miller has a position if Lebron move over as a charity to Shane/Miller. It aint happen folks. Lebron is our small forward and is a better small forward than Battier.
Our goal is to [pigeonhole] the best player in the positions we define not [explore lineups both big and small to win a championship].
——–
That’s how ignorant you sound. The Heat won with Lebron at PF to open the floor up so he can drive and kick to 3s.
Larry Drew needs to be open to Josh Smith playing the 3.
Josh is the #1 rebound SF, the #1 shotblocking SF in the NBA. So take your “top 4″ PF and all his stats accumulated by essentially playing a bunch of minutes (like Joe used to) shove it.
Because what has Josh to show for it? A PF has to be able to match up with Cs as well throughout the game.
Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Dejuan Blair, Taj Gibson and Anthony “0 games of NBA experience” Davis got to play with or against the Olympians this year, Lamarcus was on the roster before another in-season injury.
And Josh is at home being a “top 4″ PF.
Grandad
July 17th, 2012
1:12 am
pgslim:
About positions and such. (again)
I was not exactly certain as to your point about LeBron @ 12:53 am.
You were aware that LeBron played mostly the [4] last season;
especially during the playoffs and most people attributed his
Post-Play with the reason Miami was Uber successful last season.
LBJ is a unique talent that could play the [1] through the [5]
-and-
be the best player in the league at [whatever] position he chose to play.
Last summer I made a statement;
that if I were coaching LBJ – I would play him in the post;
primarily the High Post.
I was roasted on this here blog for making such an assertion.
Just sayin`.
pointguardslim
July 17th, 2012
1:16 am
Najeh I think Deron Williams drawing doubles will make him make quicker decisions. The question is how quickly will he adjust to playing off ball. He will be able (or trust his pg to allow him) to roam and hunt for his shots off ball for the first time in a long time.
Now back to the Boston fan clowning Josh Smith and trying to make it an Al vs Josh battle (as if I didn’t write epic tomes on Horford’s flaws)…
ATL fans should just think about this.
If you’re Coach K and drafting Josh Smith onto Team USA
do you think Josh is encouraged to be more Kevin Love/Aldridge’s role (BIG, shoot long Js, muscle) or Andre Iguodala’s role (defense hustle run and pass to shooters)?
Yeah I thought so.
pointguardslim
July 17th, 2012
1:25 am
@Grandad
My bad, I edited it at 1:06 to try and make the point clearer.
The point of the 1:06 point is that pigeonholing players to 1 spot is idiotic. You have to shift around and see what works.
Now, Let’s be honest. Lebron at the PF is what Hawks fans think Josh should be.
The description fits him to a tee:
more athletic than 4s, drive past PFs, score at will, facilitate, scoring machine etc. etc.
Well Lebron is 260 lbs and an obviously better ball handler than Josh and even he settles for Js at the 4 at times.
As a 3, Josh would be posting up or on the wing and Teague would be the primary ball handler using PnRs to create semi double team situations.
And he’d be the #1 rebounder and shotblocker at his position. And if Kobe Bryant can’t guard Josh Smith how many guards can?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIepUUANijo
Run some motion and get Josh vs SGs and PGs and bomb 3s and jumpers from the double teams.
And top 4 PFs don’t get bullied out of the post by Troy Murphy.
Grandad
July 17th, 2012
1:43 am
Positions and such. (continued)
For the 416th time on this blog … exaggeration … I`m gonna repeat:
“Positions Don`t Matter” !
I`ll explain again;
the number assigned to the player is irrelevant.
The Coach [should] take the five players on the floor and:
* defensively – assign each to the best possible match-up.
* offensively – put ea player in the best *spots on the floor to be successful.
these offensive spots are fluid or constantly moving due to screening action,
cutting, slipping screens, etc, etc, etc.
Obviously, certain players are more adept inside than out;
Zaza, for exp; but, does Zaza have to stay near the basket ?
… No … Then why ?
Zaza might be outside screening,
or as a pressure release to reverse the ball.
Now Josh needs to be parked in and around the lane.
In my post above;
I made mention that if I coached LBJ,
I would play him in the post.
Same for Josh.
LBJ is a basketball player, as is Josh.
* Don`t put a # on him.
** Let him play basketball.
Does Josh need to defend the [5] ?
… No – no more so than does Al.
-Yet-
Offensively Josh [technically] should be a [5].
Al and Josh can play together with:
Korver, Morrow, or Delfino, at the [3] it does`t matter.
-OR-
Al & Josh can play together with Zaza at the [5];
it still don`t matter.
Just let `em play Ball !
One last item:
Josh needs to be the kind of defender, such as;
Iguodala and Battier, or that Artest used to be !
A player that can intimidate at positions [2], [3], or [4],
and play the point on our zone, all the while
contesting shots from “out of nowhere”
when the opportunity arises.
Josh wishes to be an all-star;
then become the Best all `round defender in the league.
*a stopper
*guard the other team`s best player
* lock down defender
*continue to rebound
**do not gamble for steals
***play position ” Team ” defense
****continue to block shots – especially in transition
He will Earn Respect !
HawksOldBoy
July 17th, 2012
1:44 am
Danny Ferry knows a hell of alot more about Basketball than anyone on this blog. He thought it was a good move, so do I. We will make the playoffs next year with the Roster he will put together and Free Agents will start wanting to come here. I’m a huge fan of what Ferry has done, and I hope it all works out for him.
drmaryb.(""_*).
July 17th, 2012
1:47 am
Pick Your Poison!
I suspect this is not the final roster, but to play devil’s advocate here … who do teams leave open? I see a lot os teams having to switch and scramble on defense, IF our bigs stay home and do work inside.
It should be fun to watch anyways, but we won’t be a contender at all.
LarrY Drew
July 17th, 2012
1:51 am
I really think Myrak43 is probably more stupid than me,I also know that he doesn’t have have a sense of humor.
Grandad
July 17th, 2012
2:17 am
Earlier Naj mentioned that perhaps many
had not actually seen Anthony Randolph play very much.
For those folks;
Anthony Randolph:
6-10+ which means he`s a close to 6-11 as Al is to 6-10
He has a 7-3 wingspan; a 9-1 standing reach; and is really fast.
A freakish athlete, and has a knack for scoring,
plus could develop into a rim defender and a defensive force.
His main attribute is his ballhandling.
he would be considered a point forward in many cases.
An excellent ballhandler and passer.
Also a lefty !
Now for the Bad news.
For some reason he has not put it all together.
I have not read that he`s a bad kid nor lazy.
Something just hasn`t clicked ?
He is still very, very young as he just turned 23 yrs old 7/15/12.
He is thin though getting bigger and somewhat stronger.
My analysis:
* poor background;
* first pro team Golden State under Nellie was much like
Teaguer under Wdsn. [didn`t play / they didn`t teach]
* his footwork is poor
* his shot mechanics are inconsistent
* he has not been on one team very long
nor one with a developmental program
-note-
unlimited potential … needs a teacher
____________________________________________
Yes;
I`ve watched him play both collegiately and professionally.
Plus;
I`ve viewed extensive film / video, both game and workout.
I was more than impressed with his potential.
Again, he just turned 23.
Grandad
July 17th, 2012
2:19 am
* which means he`s *[as] close to 6-11 as Al is to 6-10
*as
atl_falcons_fan
July 17th, 2012
3:18 am
Watched Korver play a lot when I was in Utah. He was a huge fan favorite and usually played hard. But he will live or die by the 3. You may only need 2 and a lay up is available, so he’ll step back and shoot the trey.
hittman jamillione
July 17th, 2012
4:45 am
I don’t see how the hawks will be worse this year.. Just by shear logic. I mean losing jj doesn’t hurt when you look at it we picked up damn near seven serviceable players for JJ, he avg 18 ppg Lou avg 15 off the bench, Morrow,D-Harris,Stevenson,Kyle Korver,JJ2, & whatever we get for this Farmar move is going to be more than enough to supplant the loss of JJ. JJ was actually the reason for more of our losses Aby way of how we played. We did not lose Lebron, Wade,hell Chris Bosh even.
hittman jamillione
July 17th, 2012
4:49 am
As far as Harry the hawk Is concerned Josh doesn’t need to be the main cog but he’s and exceptional piece especially when you can get two lead dogs to Come pop play with him. You go sign your two big dogs that tree gone compliment him.
brigadierjerry
July 17th, 2012
5:58 am
Grandad,
I saw a lot of randolph when he played for the Knicks and Golden State. He is weak mentally and has a broke jumper. He can run the break and bring the ball up, decent in transition can block some shots. Problem is he has a broke jumper and is frail and has had issues with his ankles. Worst thing that happen to him was being drafted by Nellie in Golden state and him not having confidence in him.
Just Joe
July 17th, 2012
6:01 am
Dallas’s roster is looking a little like ours. Guards = Collison, RoddyB, D. Jones, Mayo, Cunningham, and Vince, with Dantay Jones fitting in just like Stevenson with us.
Their front line is Marion, Dirk, Kaman, Wright, and Brand.
Gamer
July 17th, 2012
6:35 am
It appears that the Hawks are building a RUN AND GUN squad…
CAN THAT KIND OF TEAM EXCEL IN TODAY’S LEAGUE…..NOT WITHOUT A SOLID REBOUNDER AND A STRONG INTERIOR DEFENDER…
Just Joe
July 17th, 2012
6:52 am
I think when Ferry talks about short term and long term goals, his short term goal (outside of Dwight) is to play a more up-tempo style. One that is “fun to watch”. He’ll attempt to increase the average fan base by increasing the entertainment value. He will be considered extremely successful if he can get this done while maintaining cap flexibility and grabbing one of the last playoff spots in the east.
How happy should the ASG be if Ferry can increase attendance, cut salary, acquire future draft picks, and still make the playoffs (which equals playoff revenue).
Just Joe
July 17th, 2012
6:57 am
IMO though, the up-tempo style is just short term. Once he has the right players, we’ll return to his half court, San Antonio-style. Defense, ball movement, post play, and outside shooting.