Updated: Hawks acquire Korver
Vivlamore filling in for M.C.
Kyle Korver is the latest shooter being stockpiled on an ever-changing Hawks’ roster.
A trade for Korver, a guard known for his 3-point shooting, was completed Monday. The Hawks acquired the veteran from the Bulls for cash considerations.
“I appreciate the toughness and the competitive energy Kyle brings to the game every night, and we’re very excited to add
him to our team.” Danny Ferry, Hawks President of Basketball Operations/GM, said in a statement released by the team. “Adding him makes shooting an even greater strength for our club.”
The deal was several days in the making. Korver was in Atlanta for a physical on Saturday.
Korver was owed a $500,000 guarantee of his $5 million non-guaranteed salary for 2012-13 by the Bulls by Sunday.
“We led the NBA in wins two years in a row, and (I) loved the personalities and chemistry we had,” Korver told the Chicago Tribune Friday when news of the potential trade first surfaced. “The bond we had was unique. You always feel you could’ve done more, but everybody on our team gave it all we had and there’s at least some satisfaction in that.”
In 65 games for the Bulls last season, Korver averaged 8.1 points in 22.6 minutes per game. He was 10th in the NBA in 3-point percentage at .435 (118-for-271).
The Hawks have added shooters Lou Williams, Devin Harris, Anthony Morrow and first-round pick John Jenkins during the offseason.
Korver, 31, was a second-round pick (No. 51) by the Nets in the 2003 draft. He was traded to the 76ers, where he spent his first four-plus seasons. He also played for Jazz before playing the past two seasons with the Bulls.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
4:31 pm
So many of you think this team will totally collapse without JJ and Marvin. Remember, Marvin was demoted because of his inconsistency and lack of production for the mins he played. JJ dominated the OFF, and eliminated consistent ball and player movement by going ISO and running down the 24sec clock. His approach often eliminated OFF options, and the chance for someone else to score.
With the addition of the additional speed, quickness, versatility, and the collective backcourt shooting and scoring abilities of DHarris, LWilliams, AMorrow, and CJenkins, JJs scoring ability can definitely be replaced. His shots as well as his pts will be distributed among other scorers. And just like our OFF will change from relying on a dominant scorer to a more team oriented approach, our DEF will evolve from an individual approach to a more team oriented approach.
With our ability to consistently play uptempo fastbreak basketball, along with Ferry insistence that we’ll definitely play that way, we won’t be as relient on scoring in the halfcourt. That means we won’t be forced to rely on players like JJ, who are usually most effective when playing halfcourt basketball.
Ferry has put together a team with players that can shoot much better than last yrs team, especially from long range, and more players that can break down DEFs by penetrating and dishing. We’re simply going from one approach and style of play to another, which doesn’t automatically mean we’ll regress, or not improve.
POP changed the Spurs approach and style of play 2yrs ago from a prodding, very efficient halfcourt oriented team to a fastbreaking uptempo team, and they’ve been rejuvenated over that period despite their advanced age and reduced talent.
Woodson tried to employ his version of team DEF to coverup for Bibby’s and Jamal’s DEF liabilities. Instead of switching everything, or leaving everyone on a DEF island, we’ll provide more help by double teaming and sliding defenders extra defenders over to help block driving lanes. Just because a player might not be as good at defending one on one as JJ or Marvin doesn’t mean they can’t defend.
tjhook
July 21st, 2012
4:44 pm
I want to thank pointguardslim for running this link on YouTube with Smith at SF and Horford at PF (Collins and Zaza at C). Smith proves on this video that he can run the offense and Horford has enough dribbling ability that he can at least draw his defender out to the wings. However, I do think we need to hope that Devin Harris takes the point guard role because we need a stronger personality to take over running the offense when things get tight. Smith is willing to lead but not the best decision maker and Al is too robotic to create for others. Lou Williams and Korver are great options to bring off the bench but I believe Teague and Harris will be playing to see who gets removed from the team. Both cannot stay and hopefully Harris proves he is the best or Teague shows us that he has another level he can reach intellectually on the court.
tjhook
July 21st, 2012
4:44 pm
Oophs, here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG7smUGa8h0&feature=relmfu
tjhook
July 21st, 2012
4:55 pm
also can we get this brother on the team. i see a major sleeper coming on this year – I want Big Al to do that for Hawkville!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCk-TscdntA&feature=related
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
4:58 pm
“Al Horford has never been mentioned in defensive player of the year or all NBA defensive team considerations.” – Worldwide Clyde
Actually Clyde, in 2011 he garnered 7 votes in the NBA All-Defense team (the same as Josh). And Horford had 3 first team votes to 1 for Josh. Here’s the link:
http://www.examiner.com/article/2011-all-defensive-team-announced
So, yes he HAS been “considered” for the NBA All Defensive Team.
tjhook
July 21st, 2012
4:59 pm
and for those of you who are blowing off my comments about Al Thornton, check out this link. Let’s get this brother!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E9B9i1lais&feature=related
Fundamentals
July 21st, 2012
5:29 pm
I’ve always liked Al Thornton as a local talent. If we use Josh as a sf and ZaZa, Petrol, Benson and Williams at the C it’d give us time to see how players gel before putting the final pieces in place.
I agree, defense starts on the perimeter. “Shotblockers” are as useless as LD’s “Shotmakers”. We need real team defense and offensive efficiency. Josh must stay in the post and allow Al, Harris, Korver, JJ and other perimeter players to play their role.
To me it all comes down to coaching and players buying in, not on individuals pursuing their own stats and All Star bids. We need a winning culture, not a highlight factory where individuals come first.
TEAM!!!!!
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
5:40 pm
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2012
4:30 pm
Al Horford has never been mentioned in defensive player of the year or all NBA defensive team considerations.
Excellent Work. That comment “SOLIDIFIES” our need to move Al Horford for a stretch 4, Ryan Anderson Clone.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
5:43 pm
Al Horford is a Solid back-up Forward who clearly benefits from a “watered down” NBA!!! Let’s face it,he is another brother who is overpaid. Bay Bay down at the YMCA could put up the “nimbers”that
Al does.
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
5:52 pm
“Let’s face it,he is another brother who is overpaid. Bay Bay down at the YMCA could put up the “nimbers”that Al does.” – fake stephen a smith
Let’s see, whom should I believe:
a) The Head Coaches of the NBA who voted Al onto the All-Star team (2010,2011), and gave him 3 first place votes on the 2011 NBA All-Defensive team
b) a blogger named for a network blowhard
Well, let’s just say that…so far Bay Bay hasn’t been named sh_t.
If you think $12M is overpaying for 15.3ppg, 9.6 rpg (Al’s last full season), maybe you should look at the production of some of the recent signees around the league. He’s actually a bargain, IMO.
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
5:53 pm
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde I definitely will suck your dic k. I turns me own when you talk dirty about Az horford.
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
5:58 pm
I can assist you on that Ken. would you like me to hold it while you work on it?
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
6:30 pm
Good evening, T-s,
Why are including me in your foolishness? We agree that Horford should play center, and that Josh is better at PF. We agree that supporters of both Josh and Al foolishly attack the other in stupidity ignoring that both players have valuable skills to offer the Hawks. I’m NOT a Josh hater, who loves Al. I’m a big fan of BOTH players and think that a better coach could maximize their collective talents.
and if EITHER of them were traded, I’d be disappointed, but hope that the team was made better by the trade. In other words I’m a Hawks fan, first and foremost. I root for the name on the FRONT of the jersey.
So, again I ask, why are you including me in all this foolishness?
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
6:31 pm
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
5:52 pm
Let’s see, whom should I believe:
a) The Head Coaches of the NBA who voted Al onto the All-Star team (2010,2011), and gave him 3 first place votes on the 2011 NBA All-Defensive team
b) a blogger named for a network blowhard
Well, let’s just say that…so far Bay Bay hasn’t been named sh_t.
If you think $12M is overpaying for 15.3ppg, 9.6 rpg (Al’s last full season), maybe you should look at the production of some of the recent signees around the league. He’s actually a bargain, IMO.
Does Al ever draw double teams? Does Al ever put together triple doubles? Has Al ever been top 5 in Rebounds or Blocked shots? Has AL ever been 1st team or 2nd team all NBA?
“I DIDN’T THINK SO!
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
6:34 pm
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
6:30 pm
Quite frankly, Al Horford is a “terrible” defender Sautee. His defense in the NBA has been atrocious!
Let us agree to disagree and move forward, please,
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
6:35 pm
“If you think $12M is overpaying for 15.3ppg, 9.6 rpg (Al’s last full season)”
12 million for 1 season worth of work you’d expect 24pts 15rbs and 5 blocks.
Lets look at the full body of Al’s work to see what hes worth. (incidentally his best year was When Woodson, stop the flow off the offense and ran special set up plays to get Al involved. even with that the best he could do was 15pts
Hed what you get from Al night in night out In between the injuries.
Career
12pt 8rbs
College
12pts 6 rbs
Playoffs
11 pts 7 rbs
All star
5pts 3 rbs
Thats what you get from Al. You can take Zaza’s best year and say see look at Zaza he should be getting 12 million too.
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06-07 ATL 12pts 7.0 rbs.
But Zaza lost his starting job because those arent numbers you want from your starter, How ever its the same numbers Al puts up 12pts 8 rbs.
So Al ans Zaza are Identical and neither is putting in championship level number. No need to pimp their stats to make them appear something they are not. Every player has up and down years so you have to look at the body of their work.
With Al you will get 12pts 8 rbs.
I have to agree 1million per point is far overpaid. We can get the same numbers from Zaza who only makes 4.7 mil.
So yeah, Al is far over paid we can get 2 Zaza and an Ivan for what we pay Al.
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
6:42 pm
Al may be the worst defender on the hawks and certainly the worst defender in the post. He has very limited offensive skills and has peaked. He is becoming more and more injury prone and hes not very intelligent to defend the rack. He gets used and abuse far to often. he is no better than Zaza. Actually they are about even but Zaza is a better defender.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
6:43 pm
I think “Sautee” clearly has been hanging out with Snoop Dog or Wille Nelson, probabaly Charlie Sheen as well, after some of his recent comments. Just say “No” to drugs Brotha.
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
6:54 pm
“We agree that Horford should play center, and that Josh is better at PF” – Agreed that Josh is a better 4 and under the current roster Al should play center, however Zaza is pushing him.
We agree that supporters of both Josh and Al foolishly attack the other in stupidity ignoring that both players have valuable skills to offer the Hawks. No we dont agree. Josh fans have a lot to be excited about. Their player carried the hawks this year and stepped his game to a higher level making JJ expendable. Josh fans have no need to attack Al.
Al fans Attach Josh because Josh outshines Al and the only way Al can look better is to bring Josh down. People criticize Al for his lack of performance, which is not Josh’s fault.
I’m NOT a Josh hater, who loves Al. I’m a big fan of BOTH players and think that a better coach could maximize their collective talents. You may be a fan of both. But Talent wise Josh and Al are on two different levels. Al is more closely compare to Zaza, No J Smoove. Al fans us Josh’s name to add credibility to Al’s name. Josh doesnt need you to mention Al to realize the value in who he is .
We are talking to clearly different talent levels Al should be compared To Zaza not Smoove.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
6:57 pm
I we are going to make some noise in the playoffs, we need a defensive stopper at the “3.” Hopefully, Josh will be a permanent “3″ with AL at the “4.” Stil a quagmire, we do not have a starting 5 on this roster. However, K. Benson plays like a “7″ Footer.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
7:02 pm
C-Keith Benson
PF-Horford
SF-Josh
SG-Stevenson
PG-Harris/Teague
This line-up would provide the Hawks with the most balance.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
7:10 pm
http://www.draftexpress.com has Al Horford listed as 6″8″.75 without shoes. 6 “9″.75 with shoes. Clearly Al is “too short” to defend in the NBA.
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
7:17 pm
Try this again
We agree that Horford should play center, and that Josh is better at PF ” – Agreed that Josh is a better 4 than Al, and under the current roster Al should play center, however Zaza is pushing him.
“We agree that supporters of both Josh and Al foolishly attack the other in stupidity ignoring that both players have valuable skills to offer the Hawks.”
No we dont agree. Josh fans have a lot to be excited about. Their player carried the hawks this year and stepped his game to a higher level making JJ expendable. Josh fans have no need to attack Al.
Al fans Attach Josh because Josh outshines Al and the only way Al can look better is to bring Josh down. People criticize Al for his lack of performance, which is not Josh’s fault.
“I’m NOT a Josh hater, who loves Al. I’m a big fan of BOTH players and think that a better coach could maximize their collective talents.”
You may be a fan of both. But talent wise Josh and Al are on two different levels. Al is more closely compare to Zaza, Not J Smoove. Al fans use Josh’s name to add credibility to Al’s name. Josh doesnt need you to mention Al to realize the value in who he is .
We are talking two (2) clearly different talent levels Al should be compared To Zaza not to Smoove.
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
7:22 pm
July 21st, 2012 7:17 pm is @ Sautee
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
7:25 pm
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
7:17 pm
I respect your opinion, however, i am piggy backing on the comments of some of the NBA Tv analyst
who once were players, namely Dennis Scott, Al is better suited for the “4″
We must “Agree” to DisAgree.
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
7:29 pm
Alfred Joel Horford Reynoso is a Dominican professional basketball player who is a center and power forward for the Atlanta Hawks of the National Basketball Association. Wikipedia
Born: June 3, 1986 (age 26), San Felipe de Puerto Plata
Height: 6′ 10″ (2.08 m)
Weight 265 lbs
Spouse: Amelia Vega (m. 2011)
Salary: US$ 12,000,000 (2012)
Education: Fisher School of Accounting
Parents: Tito Horford, Arelis Reynoso
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
7:34 pm
SAS do you brou. I agree that AL would make a better power forward than center but Sautee and I agree Josh is a better power forward than Al. There in is the difference in what you what sautee and I are saying. Actually Al could be a very good Center and Im sure Sautee would agree. Al has the physical tools for the position but not the mental tools. He doesn’t embrace the position. But if he did, He would be a very good center and Id be proud of him and not call for his trade. On the other had if “if” was a fifth, we’d all get drunk.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
7:40 pm
I am in favor of bringing Darko Miliciic in for a workout. Dude is a “Legit” 7 footer who clearly needs to
prove himself worthy of an NBA contract. He is worth the gamble. Bring in Pat Ewing to coach him up. Besides, Ewing may be a “Solid replacement” for (Ned the wino) Larry Drew after next season.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
7:43 pm
#Hawks GM Ferry: “Through these trades hopefully we put ourselves in a position of strength going into the new CBA.” 10 days ago
‘The writing is on the wall, Coach Drew’s days are numbered girls.” Time for the LD Watch to start.
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
7:47 pm
“12 million for 1 season worth of work you’d expect 24pts 15rbs and 5 blocks. ” – The Silent Majority (T-s)
Wow, seriously? So I guess you think Dwight is GROSSLY overpaid at +$20M for a mere 20.6 ppg, 14.5 rpg., and a mere 2.2 blocks per game.
If even Dwight can’t do that why on earth would you expect that Horford should?
Silliness.
El Mongo
July 21st, 2012
8:07 pm
Actually D12 gets 17,149,243 (2012). He is a franchise player type who is the best in the business at his position, and a defender extraordinaire, which mean he is actually underpaid for his life time work and his designation as a franchise type play.
Al’s should not be compare to Dwight Howard (you guys are funny), but the perfect Al comparison is Zaza who is very able to reproduce Al’s contributions for 1/3 the money.
Out side of Bynum, no one is close to producing with D12 brings to the table.
Jason Terry
July 21st, 2012
8:09 pm
“Zaza who is very able to reproduce Al’s contributions for 1/3 the money. ”
I guess that clearly make Al over paid.
The Stinger
July 21st, 2012
8:14 pm
Dwight doesnt have to block as much because there are as many attempts on him as on Big Al Horford who gets tried daily. with even tiny nate robinson show casing on Al. When people know you will pin their s hit they wont try you.
The Stinger
July 21st, 2012
8:16 pm
*Dwight doesnt have to block as much because there aren’t as many attempts on him as on Big Al Horford who gets tried daily.
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
8:19 pm
“Does Al ever draw double teams? Does Al ever put together triple doubles? Has Al ever been top 5 in Rebounds or Blocked shots? Has AL ever been 1st team or 2nd team all NBA?”
“I DIDN’T THINK SO!” – fake stephen a. smith
First, I didn’t realize that those were the requirements for making $12M. How many players not on their rookie contracts do all of the things you listed and get paid LESS than $12M? Any?
We can agree to disagree, but I’d like to show you these numbers, since you don’t think Horford is worth $12M:
These are career averages for these players:
DeAndre Jordan $10.5M 6.0 ppg 6.4 rpg 1.5 bpg
Joakim Noah $12M 8.9 ppg 8.6 rpg 1.3 bpg
Andrew Bogut $13M 12.7 ppg 9.3 rpg 1.6 bpg
Roy Hibbert $14.5M 11.1 ppg 6.4 rpg 1.6 bpg
Al Horford $12M 12.8 ppg 9.5 rpg 1.1 bpg
I think Horford is a good value, given these comparisons. But that’s just my opinion.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
8:23 pm
I am purchasing the NBA package this season because of Danny Ferry. I believe he will “move” Scrub Horford to his natural position. When Al’s contract is up, he will not be retained. Ladies and gentlemen, Al Horford has peaked as an NBA player. There is no more upside! he would make a “Great” back-up power forward. Quite Frankly, Al Horford is not a “championship” level power forward.
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
8:36 pm
“Actually D12 gets 17,149,243 (2012). He is a franchise player type who is the best in the business at his position, and a defender extraordinaire, which mean he is actually underpaid for his life time work and his designation as a franchise type play. ” – El Mongo (T-s)
OK, but he STILL didn’t get to that level you said you expect for a mere $12M. You know, 24 ppg, 15 rpg, and 5 bpg. That’s what you said we should expect for $12M. Is Dwight not as good as you say? Or is he overpaid? No, you said his defense was worth a lot. So how come he couldn’t meet those $12M expectations at $17M+??????