Updated: Hawks acquire Korver
Vivlamore filling in for M.C.
Kyle Korver is the latest shooter being stockpiled on an ever-changing Hawks’ roster.
A trade for Korver, a guard known for his 3-point shooting, was completed Monday. The Hawks acquired the veteran from the Bulls for cash considerations.
“I appreciate the toughness and the competitive energy Kyle brings to the game every night, and we’re very excited to add
him to our team.” Danny Ferry, Hawks President of Basketball Operations/GM, said in a statement released by the team. “Adding him makes shooting an even greater strength for our club.”
The deal was several days in the making. Korver was in Atlanta for a physical on Saturday.
Korver was owed a $500,000 guarantee of his $5 million non-guaranteed salary for 2012-13 by the Bulls by Sunday.
“We led the NBA in wins two years in a row, and (I) loved the personalities and chemistry we had,” Korver told the Chicago Tribune Friday when news of the potential trade first surfaced. “The bond we had was unique. You always feel you could’ve done more, but everybody on our team gave it all we had and there’s at least some satisfaction in that.”
In 65 games for the Bulls last season, Korver averaged 8.1 points in 22.6 minutes per game. He was 10th in the NBA in 3-point percentage at .435 (118-for-271).
The Hawks have added shooters Lou Williams, Devin Harris, Anthony Morrow and first-round pick John Jenkins during the offseason.
Korver, 31, was a second-round pick (No. 51) by the Nets in the 2003 draft. He was traded to the 76ers, where he spent his first four-plus seasons. He also played for Jazz before playing the past two seasons with the Bulls.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Rubuen
July 20th, 2012
8:50 pm
Is the crap shower over?
Hoops
July 20th, 2012
9:12 pm
Jeff,
It failed because the players I am proposing to trade from the Hawks will not be eligible to trade until September 11. After that, the trade will work.
Ben Franklin
July 20th, 2012
9:23 pm
Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don’t have brains enough to be honest.
Rubuen
July 20th, 2012
10:02 pm
Well we are back to the subject that was on the table before this troll took off. We are trying to figure out a way to up grade the center position and keeping Josh as the power forward. What is plan B if we cant get D12?
Ken Strickland
July 20th, 2012
10:26 pm
Everyone seems so obsessed with the idea of us acquiring Dwight JACKASS Howard, especially now that he wants to test FA after the season. However, no one is even considering the fact that ABynum will also be a FA after the season, and at this point I’d rather have him anyway. Dwight is just a fool that will do and say just about anything to be the CENTER of attention.
He’s obviously done an excellent job of working hard to develop his body since he’s been in the NBA. But he definitely hasn’t worked very hard to develop his OFF during that time. After all, how else can you explain JCollins’ ability to eat his lunch defensively, when Collins definitely lacks quickness, speed, athleticism, or comparable strength.
If he can’t use brute strength to get near or at the rim, he’s not much of an OFF threat. Statistically, ABynum is rated as a more efficient and productive scorer than Dwight per 36mins played. And Bynum still has room for improvement, while we’ve likely seen the best of Dwight.
Rubuen
July 20th, 2012
10:54 pm
Ken how do you compare Mr. D12 to Al horford?
drmaryb.(""_*).
July 20th, 2012
11:19 pm
Is A Green Bean – Green?
““Hawks need a 7 footer with muscle and a bad attitude”
Not really a problem with this assessment, but if Danny could find one (and that’s a big if) he must (at least) be able to rebound and make FTs or he’s a liability.” – The Truth -
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This statement and your endorsement of it? Amounts to nothing more than a perfect example of two people being ….
“The Orator of The Obvious”
Which is the equivalent of saying … Water is Wet. In other words, statements like these do nothing more than irritate people like me and, add absolutely nothing to the already long conversation.
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Real Talk? Get your scroll on.
drmaryb.(""_*).
July 20th, 2012
11:23 pm
Real Talk!
Ken Strickland … is in full effect. Recognize that ish.
Ken Strickland
July 20th, 2012
11:57 pm
RUBUEN-Dwight is THE NBAs most dominate center, Bynum is rated right behind him, while Horford is rated #3, and here’s why. Dwight/Bynum/Horford
MINS-38.3/35.2/36.0, PPG-20.6/18.7/15.3, RPG-14.5/11.8/9.3, APG-.9/1.4/3.5, BPG-2.15/1.93/1.04, FPG-3.2/2 5/1.5.
Here’s another thing to consider. Dwight has been his teams #1 scoring option since his NBA career started, while Bynum nor Horford have been higher than their teams #3 scoring option. When you take that into consideration, and look at how close Bynum and Horford’s overall stats are, you can see why they are ranked #2 and #3.
While Dwight and Bynum have scored more individual pts, Horford has facilitated more points due to his superior passing ability, which produced pts for his team. Horford is far more versatile than either Dwight or Bynum, because he can play OC and PF, as well as score consistently and effectively inside and outside.
Now, there is no shortage of HORFORD HATING MORONS
Ken Strickland
July 20th, 2012
11:59 pm
who will dispute these facts, which only goes to prove that ignorance is truely bliss.
drmaryb.(""_*).
July 21st, 2012
12:13 am
NYCE!
Ken Strickland!!! PREACH! PULPIT! TABERNACLE!
Looking at these stats and facts that Ken has shared … The Hawks CAN win with – HORFORD, Because – HORFORD … has PROVEN that he is a B2B Champion!!! A Winner!!!
PEDIGREE!
Like MJ said, “The game is played between the ears.” I am officially, OFF the D12 bandwagon. Thank You Ken, for showing me the light.
The Hawks just need some Reeses Pieces.
Hoops
July 21st, 2012
12:49 am
Ken and drmarb,
Look at my trade proposal @ 4:35 and the line up @ 4:59 on page 17. Tell me what you think. I like Bynum better as well.
Rubuen
July 21st, 2012
12:54 am
Enter your comments here
drmaryb.(""_*).
July 21st, 2012
12:59 am
Hoops!
Will do.
Rubuen
July 21st, 2012
1:00 am
I see you view Ken and you have presented it articulately. If what you say is true, then why are so many people trying to move Al horford for another center.? I hear many others articulate with soundness that Al is the cog in the offense and is a non factor defensively. Even more are saying we will never win a NBA championship with Al as our center.
Whats your statement to them?
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2012
1:49 am
I don’t hate Horford. We just need a center that can play defense and protest the rim.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2012
1:50 am
Protect the rim
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
1:52 am
Rubuen
July 21st, 2012
1:00 am
I see you view Ken and you have presented it articulately. If what you say is true, then why are so many people trying to move Al horford for another center.? I hear many others articulate with soundness that Al is the cog in the offense and is a non factor defensively. Even more are saying we will never win a NBA championship with Al as our center
Lay off the drugs and alcohol brotha. See T. D. Jakes, Creflo Dollar, even Bishop Long, PLEASE!
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
1:59 am
We will regret not signing Anthony Randolph. Dude was a bargain and will prove to be a win for the Nuggets.
steven a smith
July 21st, 2012
2:02 am
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2012
1:49 am
I don’t hate Horford. We just need a center that can play defense and protest the rim.
“Just Say No to Drugs Boys and Girls.” (protest the rim)
vava74
July 21st, 2012
2:16 am
Najeh:
“Yeah, one of the most interesting things for me to watch this upcoming season is to find out how good Joe really is. I don’t think there’s any question the Hawks are going to be worse defensively with Morrow and Jenkins taking most of his minutes, but if they end up doing as well or better offensively it’s a pretty severe indictment of Joe as a player. We’ll see.”
If JJ plays well in Brooklyn but our offense improves without him it will be an endictment on our cOaching rather than on JJ.
JJ was a product of Woody’s complete lack of Xs and Os and then of LD lack of balls. Yes JJ was to blame for not understanding his limitations as an ISO player against playoff defenses, but even Lebron only saw the light this year (on how to be more effective in the clutch) and it was half way into the the ECF.
Do not underrate coaching.
vava74
July 21st, 2012
3:19 am
Also, just because he will be playing on a big market JJ should average this year +1FTA.
There was no one else in the NBA being slapped upon without punishment as JJ was.
His was also to blame, due to his non-complaining nature, but look for the effects of NY press changing that.
Any game which the Nets lose with JJ being fouled but not getting the call in the last seconds will be met with strong words from the press against the refs.
drmaryb.(""_*).
July 21st, 2012
3:34 am
The … “What – What Baby”
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drmaryb.(""_*).
July 21st, 2012
3:45 am
I Get Around!
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Marcus
July 21st, 2012
6:26 am
right now, D12 is too wishy-washy to pin any hopes on him. esp. giving up young, valuable assets.
I say, wait until the wave of frenzy wears off, and look to pick up some quality players wo get forced out due to nos. game.
HOU just got Jujan Johnson from BOS (Courtney Lee trade) to add to the already crowded front-court, even with amnestying L. Scola and waiving Jon Lauer and Jerome Jordan. Between Jujan Johnson, Royce White, Terrence Jones, Patrick Patterson, Markiece (sp?) Morris, and some other guys who don’t have recent NCAA hype behind their names …….. they all won’t be on the Rockets payroll …. just be patient.
Marcus
July 21st, 2012
6:32 am
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also forgot, they have John Brockman, Chandler Parsons, Josh Harrellson and their recent Euro signee (Donatas Motiejunas, or something close to that spelling) on the roster as well. Even if they ship some to the D League, I guess that makes them available for anyone to sign (not sure though).
Marcus
July 21st, 2012
6:49 am
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plus, you have the specter of a RFA offer sheet to O. Asik. If he signs and CHI doesn’t match … HOU has one ton and about 70 ft. worth of frontcourt assets.
drmaryb.(""_*).
July 21st, 2012
8:18 am
Great Job!
You did a great job there Marcus of, adding 70 ft worth of convo to this conversation. Keep the fresh stuff coming, sir.
pointguardslim
July 21st, 2012
11:29 am
2011 Win Shares Per 48 Minutes
Dwight Howard-ORL .236
Tyson Chandler-DAL .218
Andrew Bynum-LAL .210
Joakim Noah-CHI .205
Nene Hilario-DEN .201
Lamar Odom-LAL .184
Al Horford-ATL .179
Win Shares Per 48 Minutes (2012)
Joakim Noah-CHI .223
Tyson Chandler-NYK .220
Andrew Bynum-LAL .183
Dwight Howard-ORL .179*(played while injured*)
Roy Hibbert-IND .154
Check the stats. You aim for 3rd best then you’re probably gonna be 4th or 5th best. Horford is a great basketball player but none of those guys on that list dominates each other regularly. Al aint a center and is Well maybe Nene gets dominated, idk.
But for the last 3 year’s Al’s WS/48 has been .180. Signaling a trend, he’s peaked. You can check defense wins, rating, offense wins, ratings whatever if you dont believe the anal minded.
But at least stats say he’s bettter than 7′3 Roy Hibbert. Right? Still aint top 3.
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
11:33 am
WORLDWIDE CLYDE-You claim you have nothing against Horford, but I destinctly remember you advocating we replace Horford several yrs ago with your favorite player, Sean Williams. Yes, the same Sean Williams(Horford) who’s career averages are 4.2PPG(12.8), 3.4RPG(9.4), .03APG(2.4) and 1.2BPG(1.1). According to you we can definitely do without Horford’s additional 8.4PPG, 6RPG, and 2.37APG, and impove with SWilliams as long as we get his .1 advantage in career BPG.
You say we need a center that plays DEF and protects the rim for us to win. Let’s look at the 3 centers that played on the 3 teams that participated in the last 2 NBA championship gms and compare their stats to Horfords. CBOSH/TCHANDLER/KPERKINS/AHORFORD
PPG-18.7/10.1/5.1/15.3, RPG-8.3/9.4/6.6/9.3, APG-1.9/.4/1.2/3.5, SPG-.77/.49/.38/.77, BPG-.64/1.08/1.12/1.04.
I don’t know how in the devil you can look at these figures and say Horford isn’t as good as they are at defending the rim, or as an all around center. Is there anyone out there stupid enough to claim that CBosh is a better defender, or is better at protecting the rim than AHorford? If you’re honest about the answer to that question, especially you CLYDE, you can’t say we need another center that can defend the rim in order to win.
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
11:41 am
POINTGUARDSLIM-You said AL is not a center. Then explain how AHorford has actually been the Atlanta Hawks starting center for the last 4yrs, and been selected to 2 consecutive Allstar gms, as well as 1 All NBA selection, AS A CENTER. The fact that he can play PF doesn’t mean he’s not a center. WHERE’S THE DAMNED LOGIC people?
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
11:54 am
RUBUEN-Don’t pay any attention to HORFORD HATING CLOWNS like STEVEN ASS SMITH. He wants you to lay off things like he’s been laying off COMMON SENSE, LOGIC, INTELLIGENCE, AND REALITY. Just look at the people he’s recommending you to.
It says everything you need to know about his ability to think and engage in rational thought. He has to be truely delusional if he thinks those clowns can help anyone, unless it involves releaving people of their money.They’re nothing but a bunch of greedy selfserving PULPIT PIMPS. Only an absolute moron would suggest we get rid of a 2 time Allstar, 1 time All NBA center because they think at 6′10″ his undersized, or he’s timid because he takes advantage of the fact he’s the NBAs most effective and efficient midrange shooters, or that because he’s not a prolific shot blocker he’s not a good defender.
NBA players, coaches, and writers have proven, both by their words and deeds, that these HORFORD HATING MORONS don’t know their collective A$$’s from a hole in the ground when it comes to AHorford, and I totally agree.
Hawksfan
July 21st, 2012
12:03 pm
See ive read all of these post about trade al and josh is better at power foward. But were a team in order to succeed we need the 2 of them to perform. Josh fans only want al gone because they say he cant play small forward but he can do u all remember the magic serries we won when we had al at the pf and josh at sf. I think josh would be an execellent sf if drove and took mid range jump shots and posted up. The hawks could take advantage of his athletism on sf while al could play pf and shred the east for its weak competion at the position. I just think we make a move to upgrade the center position without tradeing al. Also we dont have to have a dwight howard center we just need one to play defense and rebound like a kendrick perkins knock off or robin lopez (even though thats unlikley). So heres my lineup:
PG:Jeff Teague/Devin Harris(may start at first but will lose his spot and vice versa with teague) /Jordan Taylor
SG:JJ/LouWill/Anthony Morrow/Deshawn Stevenson(could start againt certain matchups for defense)
SF:Josh Smith/Kyle Korver
PF:Al Horford/Ivan Johnson/Jordan Williams/Keith Benson
C:Zaza/Johan Petro(will later become a third string after benson develops)/Keith Benson
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
12:30 pm
I have to admit, that was fun. Sometimes it refreshing to whip the behinds of those who lack sufficient basketball IQs to render an intelligent judgement on a good player.
DRMARYB-What’s up PYT? Don’t mind me, I was just introducing some facts and figures to our SPECIAL ED fans with low basketball IQs, especially those HORFORD HATERS. From what I’ve gathered, we can’t trade any of the players we acquired in the JJ and Marvin trade in conjunction with any other players. That means a package deal involving those players is out.
I hope that Ferry concentrates his attention and efforts in acquiring ABynum after the season rather than Howard. If Bynum come here, he’ll definitely be the focal point of our OFF and be our #1 option. And he’ll definitely have a lot of talent, especially talented shooters, around him. With a DEF presence like him in the middle, you could play just about anyone you wanted at SF.
What do you think of a lineup that featured JSmith-SF, ABynum-OC, AHorford-PF, JTeague-PG, CJenkins-SG, with IJohnson, AMorrow, ZPachulia, Scott, LWilliams, DHarris, KKorver as your bench.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2012
12:34 pm
Ken Stickland if you study the Hawks on defense you would know that opposing players find it real easy to get to the rim. I haven’t seen a scouting report but if I was coaching against the Hawks I would tell my guards to drive at will because they don’t have a shot blocker.
pointguardslim
July 21st, 2012
12:35 pm
^haha now I got my name jacked. I must be important now.
at Ken Strickland
CBOSH – 7 feet, plays with 260 lb Lebron James, freak – u seen Lebron cover Pau Gasol?
TCHANDLER/ check his defensive ratings and defensive wins. He’s tall athletic and long, he challenges shots just by moving his feet. And he dunks all day if he touches the ball. Check his shooting %. Goddamn. 7 feet and The guys on team USA. Really?
KPERKINS/ 6′10 260 7′6 length. He had injuries and was good man to man but KG was the 7 foot athletic active defender. come on Ken youre better than that.
AHORFORD – has the same defensive wins as guys like Al Jefferson. Sure he competes but he doesn’t take up any space nor does he have the right combo of length, strength and/or athleticism
to protect the painted area. He’s average height without the length or athleticism to compensate.
Bosh is a 7 footer with 7′4 length and 3 point range so he can kind of make up for things on defense whereas Al doesn’t.
Hawks need 1 more piece. Dwight in FA would solve this teams problems, a lot of them.
pointguardslim
July 21st, 2012
12:37 pm
Ken just so you know I didn’t call you names in the previous post. That was our resident namejacker(s).
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
12:40 pm
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2012/7/19/3169407/atlanta-hawks-john-jenkins-jeff-teague-should-start
Very interesting read.
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
12:46 pm
“The Dwight Howard deal went through, with the Cavs getting Bymum, the Lakers get Howard and an expiring contract, and Orlando gets Varajos.”
This 7/24 Troll thinks he’s a real joker, sort of reminds me of another “nut” out in Aurora Colorado claiming to be “The Joker”. If his antics were intended to be funny, they grew old 4 years ago because that’s how long he’s been on here.
We know who you are, nut case.
Get A Life!!
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
12:55 pm
POINTGUARDSLIM-It doesn’t matter who said it. I don’t pay attention to any immature minded trash who gets any measure of satisfaction out of such juvenile and childish behavior. Anyone that consistently stoops to that level of behavior has to be the victim of some form of arrested development. Only a disturbed child like mentality would repeatedly resort to this type of behavior when threatened or challenged. Just feel sorry for the piece of trash and be thankful that you don’t suffer from the same malady.
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
1:09 pm
and none of you b itches is an anal minded a moron as me. Yea, I suck D ick so what?
Rev in Tampa
July 21st, 2012
1:56 pm
Sir Charles addresses the Dwightmare drama and gives him advice:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8182883/agent-dwight-howard-sign-extension-team-explore-free-agency
The Silent Majority Response
July 21st, 2012
2:52 pm
“Same goes for me, if you see a comment, it’s the troll, loser”
Troll, are you going to spend the next 10 years doing this? You’ve already spent 5. 15 years of your life wasted, on what? So sad
You could never have a family. Who would want you,, but you. So sad
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
2:57 pm
I will smell a full flavored fart of the first man to catch any of the many many trolls that infest this blog page.
I am now trolling as the silent majority response in an attempt to trick the trolls. I estimate there are about 25 trolls on this site, and Im going to catch me 1.
If you see me trolling look the other way.
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
2:59 pm
I wants me a big fat troll d ick
The Silent Majority
July 21st, 2012
3:02 pm
I saw him first ken,
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2012
3:03 pm
BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm1g60_TqZU&feature=fvwrel
Ken Strickland
July 21st, 2012
3:49 pm
WORLDWIDE CLYDE-If players are finding it real easy to get to the rim, it means the problem is with our perimeter defenders, not our center. If you’ll remember, the Nuggets had the NBAs DEF player of the yr and leading shotblocker in MCamby. They also had AIverson, who’s awful DEF caused them to have a very weak perimeter DEF.
They decided to trade Iverson for CBillups, then traded MCamby and replaced him with Nene, who didn’t defend the rim nearly as well as Camby, but was a far better one on one defender. As a result of them trading Iverson, and eliminating the black hole in their perimeter DEF, they were able to improve their DEF considerably without the benefit of a center that excels at protecting the rim.
If you protect your perimeter and the paint, you won’t have to worry about protecting the rim.
Sautee
July 21st, 2012
4:16 pm
“Bosh is a 7 footer with 7′4 length and 3 point range so he can kind of make up for things on defense whereas Al doesn’t.” – pgslim
Odd that with Bosh being a 7 footer with a 7′ 4″ reach, he has the exact same career average for blocks as Horford (1.1) So as far as blocks go, Horford is as effective as a certain 7 footer with a 7′ 4″ reach. That seems like Al is the one “making up for things” on defense, since he is much smaller than Bosh. Plus, Al moves his feet better than Bosh. Do you think Bosh could have cut off Rondo, like Horford did at the end of Game 5? I don’t think he could.
I’ll have to say that to “kind of make up for things” on defense is a fairly squishy concept.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
July 21st, 2012
4:30 pm
Al Horford has never been mentioned in defensive player of the year or all NBA defensive team considerations.