Updated: Hawks acquire Korver
Vivlamore filling in for M.C.
Kyle Korver is the latest shooter being stockpiled on an ever-changing Hawks’ roster.
A trade for Korver, a guard known for his 3-point shooting, was completed Monday. The Hawks acquired the veteran from the Bulls for cash considerations.
“I appreciate the toughness and the competitive energy Kyle brings to the game every night, and we’re very excited to add
him to our team.” Danny Ferry, Hawks President of Basketball Operations/GM, said in a statement released by the team. “Adding him makes shooting an even greater strength for our club.”
The deal was several days in the making. Korver was in Atlanta for a physical on Saturday.
Korver was owed a $500,000 guarantee of his $5 million non-guaranteed salary for 2012-13 by the Bulls by Sunday.
“We led the NBA in wins two years in a row, and (I) loved the personalities and chemistry we had,” Korver told the Chicago Tribune Friday when news of the potential trade first surfaced. “The bond we had was unique. You always feel you could’ve done more, but everybody on our team gave it all we had and there’s at least some satisfaction in that.”
In 65 games for the Bulls last season, Korver averaged 8.1 points in 22.6 minutes per game. He was 10th in the NBA in 3-point percentage at .435 (118-for-271).
The Hawks have added shooters Lou Williams, Devin Harris, Anthony Morrow and first-round pick John Jenkins during the offseason.
Korver, 31, was a second-round pick (No. 51) by the Nets in the 2003 draft. He was traded to the 76ers, where he spent his first four-plus seasons. He also played for Jazz before playing the past two seasons with the Bulls.
- Chris Vivlamore
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Ra'mon
July 19th, 2012
2:51 pm
There’s now way you give Josh ANY type of contract where he will be making $20 million in one season. There are only 5 players in the league worth that kind of money, and Josh isn’t one of them. A good deal for Josh is 5 years $80-85 million a season. That’s the max you offer Josh.
Michael
July 19th, 2012
3:05 pm
Dwight Howard said he would sign a long-term contract with lakers if traded.
http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/19/dwight-howard-bynum-lakers-cavs-magic-nba/
DW
July 19th, 2012
3:15 pm
I’m getting worried about Ferry. It seems that he has a guard fetish like Billy Knight had a forward fetish. I mean, how many guards do you need on a team.
JT's Hoops Blog
July 19th, 2012
3:17 pm
Hawks ain’t goin anywhere this season, anyways.
SteveW
July 19th, 2012
3:23 pm
Sautee – The good thing about Josh’s Max Contract, is that it will be under the new CBA, not the old one.
So we can sign him for 1 year less – and about 30 mill less over the life of the contract.
Vava74 – No doubt about that – that post was in response to ATL getting 3 of Dwight’s friends (well 1 was already here) to play for them, and how that may attract Dwight.
The point was, Dwight may look at a team with a core of 39 (during the season Feb. 7th), 34 (next month), and 32 years of age in the Lakers, versus a team with 3 of his friends, who are also pretty good players, who are currently 26, 26, and 25. And that team also has a ton of cap space.
Even if we re-sign Josh to the max, our committments next season would be, if we traded Al and pieces for Dwight;
Josh 16.402.500 ,ill
Lou 5.7 mill
Jenkins 1.4 mill
Or about 23.5 mill. You really have room for 2 more max players in that scenario.
No comparison in the players listed though.
SteveW
July 19th, 2012
3:26 pm
Sautee – And if we had to offer Josh the max to get and keep D12, well I make that move.
But only if D12 is healthy. I’m still curious about his back surgery. They said they removed tons of bone.
SteveW
July 19th, 2012
3:29 pm
But I also agree – sign Josh for the least amount possible. That’s just good business. If you can get him at 5 years, 75 mill, great.
And if you whiff on Dwight, then I def. reconsider how much I pay him.
But Josh’s contract would equal out to about 18.8 mill per year over the life of it if he signed a max deal.
jay
July 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
@Steve – Only 34, but he’s only going on 17 seasons. There isn’t whole lot left in those legs IMO. That’s why he went to Germany for whatever kind of knee surgery they performed.
northcyde
July 19th, 2012
3:38 pm
SteveW . . . the core would have nothing to do with it. It’s the fact that Dwight would be with the Lakers, as opposed to the Hawks, that would be the major selling point with him. Because history shows that the Lakers will almost always be able to get a high quality player whenever they want him.
Just watch what they do next summer with Pau Gasol and his 19+ mill expiring contract. You don’t think they could get a high quality player with that? They’ll get a guy who is a star on a bad team who wants to trim salary, instead of paying that star for 2 – 3 more years.
That’s a team that will deal off Gasol to the Knicks for Amare . . or to Brooklyn for Brook Lopez . . or to Toronto for Andrea Bargnani. The Lakers simply move players and draft picks around like chess pieces. And they’re willing to overpay in the short term for a player that they want.
Sautee
July 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
SteveW,
Yes, we have a new CBA, but we ALSO have a more punitive system for luxury tax payments, so even though Josh’s contract may be smaller than JJs, if it similarly constrains flexibility, then we are no better off.
We will have a better idea of what Josh is worth when we see him as the #1 option, without a Joe Johnson as a relief valve. I hope he’s up to the challenge. But I personally wouldn’t pay him $18.8M if he’s not.
That said, IMO most starters in the NBA are overpaid for their production. That’s because the system is broken.
SteveW
July 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
I’m not sure I’d write the Hawks eulogy just yet:
We basically played last season w/o Al and still went 40-26
This season we will be w/o JJ.
So is Marvin, Hinrich, Green, Pargo, an injured TMac, Collins, and Ivan better or worse than;
Lou, Harris, Morrow, Korver, Stevenson, Jenkins?
I say the bottom listed guys are better – quite a bit better.
And is Indy, Philly, any better? Maybe, maybe not.
The Wiz look better. The Knicks – and especially the Nets.
But Orlando is worse. Are the Celtics still in the hunt?
I’m not so sure we’re still not at least a 5-8 seed, and wouldn’t be surprised by a higher seed.
Buddy Grizzard
July 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
“it’s funny how everyone is so willing to consider the Knicks as a factor, when they’ve acquired nothing but DEF liabilities, other than TChandler.”
Actually my comment earlier in this blog was “good luck making the playoffs, Knicks.” Not sure how you got me confused with a Knicks defender.
northcyde
July 19th, 2012
3:53 pm
And Josh will get a max deal from a team. Why? Because bad teams get desperate.
So the Hawks must be prepared for it.
They also must be prepared for a team doing something crazy like what Houston did with Lin, to get him.
I could see a team frontloading a Smith contract so that he’d get most of his money at the beginning of his contract, rather than at the end.
Buddy Grizzard
July 19th, 2012
3:54 pm
Lookin like Dwight to Hollywood getting close.
Buddy Grizzard
July 19th, 2012
3:55 pm
Chris Tomasson
Tracy McGrady figured last January that Dwight Howard and the Lakers would be a good match. “(Howard) wants to be Hollywood,” McGrady said at the time. “He’s just that type of dude.”
SteveW
July 19th, 2012
3:56 pm
NC and Sautee – I see and agree with both of your points.
At least Stern kept LA from getting CP3 – the Lakers that is.
And the bad thing about the Nets – according to the CBA they can never amnesty JJ or Wallace. They had to be on the current teams roster when the CBA was signed.
In a couple or 3 years the Nets are going to be stuck with a couple of aging players with really bad contracts, and very little recourse.
SteveW
July 19th, 2012
3:59 pm
NC – Under the new CBA, the most Josh can get year 1 is 16,402,500, if I’m reading it correctly. From any team.
Since he’s here, we can offer him 7.5% raises per annum, instead of 4.5% from other teams, and also give him a 5th year.
See my posts on his contract on the previous page.
Buddy Grizzard
July 19th, 2012
3:59 pm
If Dwight ends up going to the Lakers, then all the stories about how he didn’t want to be the third option in the Lakers offense, and how Orlando used trading him to the Lakers as a scare tactic to get him to opt in for the final year of his contract, will be proven untrue.
What that will mean is that the reason why Dwight opted into the final year of his contract was because he wanted to keep trying to win a championship for the fans in Orlando. Those of you who have questioned Dwight’s character and accused him of being indecisive will owe him an apology. He opted in to try to win in Orlando, then was character assassinated by SVG, then no longer wanted to be a part of the organization, a perfectly sensible reaction to SVG’s unprofessional actions.
pointguardslim
July 19th, 2012
4:04 pm
Knicks play with size and thus size to matchup and defensive rebound at 3 positions across all NBA frontlines. That helps.
Notice when Amare was out that the ppg went crazy and the Hawks beat the Knicks. Josh vs Carmelo btw.
Sautee
July 19th, 2012
4:09 pm
“Notice when Amare was out that the ppg went crazy and the Hawks beat the Knicks. Josh vs Carmelo btw.”
With Josh AND Melo playing PF, btw.
Rod from College Park
July 19th, 2012
4:12 pm
“Are the Celtics still in the hunt?”
Boston was the second best team in the east last year, and they will actually be better this year. They have added Jason Terry, will be getting Jeff Green back, and have Avery Bradley back. They also have Doc Rivers, which makes them better than most teams in the east. The Hawks if they play as constucted will not be better than Miami, Boston, Philly, Chicago, Indy, and they will have serious pronlems with some of the up and coming teams like Detroit and Cleveland.
Rod from College Park
July 19th, 2012
4:12 pm
Not better than the Knicks either.
Sautee
July 19th, 2012
4:35 pm
“The Hawks if they play as constucted will not be better than Miami, Boston, Philly, Chicago, Indy, and they will have serious pronlems with some of the up and coming teams like Detroit and Cleveland.” – Rod from CP
Rod, do you truly believe that this team as currently constructed will be the team that leaves training camp?
If it IS, then I agree with you. But I’m betting that more moves will be made before October. I can’t believe we’ll carry so many guards, with no viable SF. And until Ferry is finished for the year, I’ll try to be patient.
pointguardslim
July 19th, 2012
4:38 pm
”
Andrew Bynum’s agent, David Lee, was surprised to read a recent report indicating his interest in signing a new deal with the Cavaliers.
“When I read it online I was in Alaska with Andrew and his family,” said Lee. “I was taken aback by the list considering there is nobody in anybody’s camp he could’ve been talking to. I have no idea where that came about.”
The Cavaliers have been involved in multi-team Dwight Howard/Bynum trade talks involving the Lakers and Magic.
The Yahoo! report also included the Mavericks as a team Bynum would be interested in signing with
Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222495/Agent_Bynum_Doesnt_Have_Cavaliers_On_List#ixzz216RdhH9T
“
Rod from College Park
July 19th, 2012
4:47 pm
Rod, do you truly believe that this team as currently constructed will be the team that leaves training camp?
I have no idea. Thats why I put as constructed.
Buddy Grizzard
July 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
Rod, we just took Philly’s leading scorer, they were the 8th seed last year, and you are certain we won’t be better than them with Horford healthy and numerous scoring options to replace JJ’s production? I also question if Chicago will be better based on Drose’s health but Philly? Really?
Buddy Grizzard
July 19th, 2012
4:54 pm
I mean… I’m not sure if Philly can make the playoffs this year. I feel pretty confident the Hawks as constructed are not a lottery team.
Buddy Grizzard
July 19th, 2012
4:59 pm
Not so fast! Looks like predictions that a Lakers/ORL/CLE trade were “close” are a bit speculative:
Jason Lloyd: If a deal was close, #Cavs would be allowed (with permission from Lakers) to talk to Bynum’s agent. David Lee said so himself. It’s common in deals of this magnitude. There have been no talks between #Cavs and Bynum’s camp. None. Sulia
Rod from College Park
July 19th, 2012
5:05 pm
Rod, we just took Philly’s leading scorer, they were the 8th seed last year, and you are certain we won’t be better than them with Horford healthy and numerous scoring options to replace JJ’s production? I also question if Chicago will be better based on Drose’s health but Philly? Really?
Yes. Nick Young is just as good as Lou Williams scoring wise and he is bigger. Plus they have Doug Collins, and we have LD. I will also state that I am not concerned with regular season records etiher. If we play Philly in a 7 game series in the playoffs as constructed, I don’t think we would win. As much as I am not a big Joe fan, Joe Johnson makes us better than Philly. Remember we could not beat them even with him here last year.
random
July 19th, 2012
5:24 pm
dang the celtics just picked up courtney lee
Just Joe
July 19th, 2012
5:24 pm
Right now, Philly is one Jrue Holiday injury away from not having a PG, and the only other guards on their roster are Evan Turner and Nick Young.
They have as many forwards as we have guards!
vava74
July 19th, 2012
5:33 pm
Uggh… Gotta disagree again Rod.
Philly lost Lou AND Brand whose importance far superseded his 12 and 7.
I agree that as currently construed we are substantially weaker but I have little confidence in these new sixers whom I believe will crash and burn without a major move.
Kwame is their projected starter… Hawes their projected starter … Seems pretty unknown their future unless Turner finally blossoms.
Nick Young is a good scorer but he does not pass, rebound or defend, whilst Lou did at leat a bit of everything according to his advanced stats.
Just Joe
July 19th, 2012
5:38 pm
Is Houston’s roster not made up of like 20 guys yet?
Courtney Lee to Boston for JaJuan Johnson, Etwaun Moore, Sean Williams, and 2nd rd pick.
Didn’t they just have to cut two guys yesterday?
i_am_soulstar
July 19th, 2012
5:44 pm
I know PER isn’t everything, but saying that Philly replaced Lou Williams (20+ PER) w/ Nick Young (12.93 PER) is like us saying that the Hawks replaced Joe Johnson with Anthony Morrow.
i_am_soulstar
July 19th, 2012
5:46 pm
No offense to Morrow or Nick Young. Both good players, but no way they measure up to the guys whose roles they’re stepping into.
Just Joe
July 19th, 2012
5:50 pm
The 2nd rd pick that Houston just got is Charlotte’s pick. Likely top 35. That’s another valuable trade asset.
Just Joe
July 19th, 2012
5:55 pm
Twolves and Sixers need guards/shooters in the worst way. Just sayin.
i_am_soulstar
July 19th, 2012
5:56 pm
Is Vivlamore on vacation as well?
Rod from College Park
July 19th, 2012
6:00 pm
“Uggh… Gotta disagree again Rod.
Philly lost Lou AND Brand whose importance far superseded his 12 and 7.”
Wow. I’m so surprised. Please help me to remeber that last debate we have had when you have been correct and maybe I will care what you think. Nick Young will replace Lou Williams easily, and I’m sure Philly is banking on the young guy Allen combined with Hawes and Kwame Brown to step up for Brand. If you think the Hawks are better right now, that’s your opinion. I don’t. I will take my track record over yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
“Nick Young is a good scorer but he does not pass, rebound or defend, whilst Lou did at leat a bit of everything according to his advanced stats.”
Lou Williams does not defend either ,and I like Lou alot (no homo). Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe Nick Young’s role on his prior teams has not been to pass or rebound? YOu do also realize that Lou Williams plays the point some as well, which puts him in the facilitator role.
J.J.M.
July 19th, 2012
6:01 pm
lol no player wants to come here
I MUS WRITE
July 19th, 2012
6:24 pm
Its bombs away this year. With Al and Josh shooting more in the absence of JJ and the multiple PG/SG’s we’ve aquired…………..Bombs away…..BOOM
Time for a New Blog Zoo Lander
Jae Evolution
July 19th, 2012
6:34 pm
Damian Lillard is a baller.
MattP
July 19th, 2012
6:36 pm
Anyone have a stream? The one I was watching turned to the Celtics and Kings.
Buddy Grizzard
July 19th, 2012
6:37 pm
“Nick Young’s role on his prior teams has not been to pass or rebound?”
Have you considered that maybe Nick Young is with his third team in three seasons because he wasn’t wanted on a lottery team or a contender? Lou Williams is a vastly better player than Nick Young.
Jae Evolution
July 19th, 2012
6:38 pm
http://atdhenet.tv/48078/watch-summer-league-portland-trail-blazers-vs-atlanta-hawks
Jae Evolution
July 19th, 2012
6:39 pm
I thought #45 looked like big brute Ivan, he’s on summer league squad now?
Jae Evolution
July 19th, 2012
6:41 pm
Never mind it’s Caracter, Dennis Scott fooled me.
MattP
July 19th, 2012
6:42 pm
Thanks Jae
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
July 19th, 2012
6:46 pm
2nd unit for the summer league is rec league at LA Fitness material.
Just Joe
July 19th, 2012
6:48 pm
Jenkins needs to keep hitting that runner.