Updated: Hawks in talks about Korver

Vivlamore filling in for MC.

The Hawks are in “serious discussions” with the Bulls to acquire guard Kyle Korver, according to a person familiar with the negotiations. While talks continue, no deal has been completed.

The Chicago Tribune reported that a deal is done, via the Timberwolves, pending Korver passing a physical. However, the person familar with the situation said the talks have not progressed to that point.

The Bulls had to either guarantee Korver’s $5 million option for the 2012-13 season or waive him and pay $500,000 by Sunday.

In 65 games for the Bulls last season, Korver averaged 8.1 points in 22.6 minutes per game. Kover, 31, was a second-round pick (No. 51) by the Nets in the 2003 draft. He was traded to the 76ers, where he spent his first four-plus seasons. He also played for Jazz before playing the past two seasons with the Bulls.

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Champ8582

July 13th, 2012
4:09 pm

MistGamer

July 13th, 2012
4:09 pm

MistGamer

July 13th, 2012
4:09 pm

leon

July 13th, 2012
4:13 pm

I am ok with this signing. I am sure he is a bench player and not a starter. We should be still looking for Small forwards.

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
4:16 pm

its official pending a physical, korver to the hawks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
4:17 pm

i agree leon.
we need a 6′7+ athletic SF to play D on their best wing players.
we still got a spot for anthony randolph…

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
4:17 pm

Jenkins looking ok early

terrell

July 13th, 2012
4:18 pm

Better be cheap. Got enough shooters on the roster. Must be some more deals coming.

terrell

July 13th, 2012
4:20 pm

Better than Willie Green I guess.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
4:21 pm

#20 got some big azz ears lmao

terrell

July 13th, 2012
4:24 pm

Jenkins actually finished at the rim. Something #24 never did without falling down or getting blocked. lol

terrell

July 13th, 2012
4:27 pm

Ferrys talking like Al and Josh arent going anywhere anytime soon.

GT Alum

July 13th, 2012
4:27 pm

Sounds like we’re using the trade exception, and the T-Wolves are involved somehow. Hard to judge without all the details.

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
4:31 pm

dang i hate yall, i wish had nba tv. id love to see some summerball, especially kito and jenkins. with korver now idk if we keep mike scott. morrow/korver looks like a trade waiting to happen now.

does anyone know if ivan has accepted that offer from us yet?

terrell

July 13th, 2012
4:31 pm

Ferry
“Cant wait to see Larry coach some practices”.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
4:32 pm

This second unit is playing hard.

Whatever

July 13th, 2012
4:33 pm

it’s official: the hawks will suck this year.

terrell

July 13th, 2012
4:35 pm

Ferry
“I can see us playing more small ball with Devin at the 2″. Hmmm

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
4:36 pm

Carter ballin

Casey

July 13th, 2012
4:36 pm

What about Josh Childress?

Steven

July 13th, 2012
4:37 pm

If this website is to believed, it might be a sign and trade with Heinrich?

http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/13/bulls-trade-kyle-korver-to-hawks/

J.J.M.

July 13th, 2012
4:37 pm

lmao chris webber

terrell

July 13th, 2012
4:37 pm

Uh oh, Danny’s on the phone. lol

Webber

“He’s probably talking to Dwight Howard right now”. lol

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
4:42 pm

I like Shurma better than Kyle Korver.

BALLER13

July 13th, 2012
4:42 pm

The White kid from Northwestern can shoot! He prolly wont make the team though! He reminds me of Novak from NY. I like what I see so far from John Jenkins. I think Ferry is trying to build this team like the SA Spurs. Quick guards, spot up shooter. DHoward would be crazy not to want to play in his home town with an exciting team that Ferry is building.

GT Alum

July 13th, 2012
4:45 pm

hawksfancents95 -

Hawks have been saying they want Scott to play at the 4, not the 3. Assuming that’s true, acquiring Korver won’t impact his roster spot.

terrell

July 13th, 2012
4:45 pm

Bradley Beal sure is quiet today.

John

July 13th, 2012
4:45 pm

I like Korver but just how many guards do we need on the roster? Im sure he intended to some of the newly acquired guards for trade bait or something but what’s the deal? Please someone enlighten me.

J.J.M.

July 13th, 2012
4:46 pm

jenkins cant create his own shot yet

Kevin Willis

July 13th, 2012
4:47 pm

Wow Alot of shooters. Im starting to belive that the big trade will happen around the trade dedline with all the expiring contracts. I believe my favorvite clevland cavaler of all time will bring a allstar max contrac center and a allstar point gaurd. Ferry has put us in a great opertunity come trade deline for a team wanting to make a trade to start over. So lets start thinking? Can you immagine if the clippers have a bad start? The Knicks? what other teams can you all think of that will bring us two studs that would want to start over?More and More I think of we will do a 3 team Trade. The one i like Chris Paul and the center from New York Chandler.

Paul
Morrow
Josh Smith
Horford
Chandler

We have the tools to build around Josh Smith and Horford forget Howards baby drama

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
4:47 pm

That Kyle Korver trade is crap. Save that 2nd round draft pick and give me Shurma or Carter from the summer league team.

High-sider

July 13th, 2012
4:49 pm

Hawks, Ferry [are] loading up on non-defending, perimeter shooters, scorers [e.g., Jenkins, Morrow, Lou Williams, Korver, etc]. But yet some of you [bloggers] keep hating on Jamal Crawford. Looks like the Hawks are stockpiling versions of Jamal Crawford [e.g. Jamal Crawford 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3...2.8, etc.] But since GM “Danny boy” [Ferry] is making all the player “moves”/decisions, “mum’s the word” because to question and criticize the “GM god” [Ferry] is considered “irreverent” and/or “blasphemous” and shall not be tolerated [on this blog]. [SMH]

“Atlanta Hawks fans: Where the hustlers hustle, the players play and the haters hate.” – High-sider

You [blogging] haters are a joke.

BALLER13

July 13th, 2012
4:50 pm

The Korver deal is about sending him somewhere else. The Hawks are getting ready to put together a package and make a deal soon. There are too many shooting guards on this roster and they will be packaged and dealt. If the Hawks get Howard and keep Josh, it will be better to have Harris, Jenkins, Josh, Howard, Richardson or Turkulu as their starting lineup. They will have to acccept Richardson’s contract as well as Turk or Duhun. The Magic is trying to unload contracts.They could then turn around and amnisty Richardson or Turk.

Whatever

July 13th, 2012
4:50 pm

a guy making 5 mil won’t make the team? god you are a dumbass baller13.

Paddy

July 13th, 2012
4:50 pm

BALLER13………exciting team? Don’t get carried away. Hoping to play well enough to get that last playoff spot is more reasonable expectation this season.

GT Alum

July 13th, 2012
4:51 pm

John -

Korver’s 6-7. Would imagine the Hawks are looking at him playing some SF.

random

July 13th, 2012
4:52 pm

smh cant even blog without my sht being erased

Josh

July 13th, 2012
4:52 pm

Guys

I think this is a move to help facilitate the Dwight Howard trade. ESPN is reporting that trade talks for the three team trade between Houston, LA and the Magic have cooled and that the trade talks between the Hawks and Magic are picking up steam again. I think Ferry is getting some of these players to use in a trade to the Magic in my honest opinion.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
4:54 pm

They need to let Jenkins handle the ball a little more instead of coming off those weak azz screens.

The Real cp

July 13th, 2012
4:56 pm

A few guys have been impressive so far. Benson has been solid, Jenkins can really shoot, and Wannamaker looks a lot better than he did in the preseason last year. I dont know who #11 is but I like what I saw out of him in the first half.

We still need a sf. We have a lot of shooters but not many defenders. I hope more moves will be made. We really need a wing defender.

random

July 13th, 2012
4:56 pm

i wanna see more of john shurna

chilidawg

July 13th, 2012
4:57 pm

This trade is done, subject to a physical. There is nothing like an up to date blog. Wonder it will before this is updated.

GT Alum

July 13th, 2012
4:58 pm

High-sider -

Let’s at least see what Ferry’s trying to build before we start criticizing him. A number of people think he’s stockpiling for a trade.

Also, JC was supposed to be a move to push us to the next level. Ferry’s not worried about getting to the next level right now. He’s worried about building for the future while trying to field a competitive team now.

We can criticize Sund, BK and their moves because we know what they were trying to do and how they worked out. For what Ferry’s doing, we may not know exactly how these moves are going to work out until a few years from now.

Sounds like you’re the one who likes hatin’.

random

July 13th, 2012
4:58 pm

man im trying to post a link so u guys can see it but this blog not letting me

random

July 13th, 2012
4:59 pm

better yet go to firstsports.com something like that then click on basketball then you’ll see the game

random

July 13th, 2012
5:00 pm

firstrow.com^

John

July 13th, 2012
5:01 pm

GT, thanks that makes a bit of sense. I assume they’d love to move Stevenson elsewhere and possibly Harris if they dont just let his contract run out and move on after this year. Then there is the Farmar buyout we’ve all heard about. This has certainly been an eventful offseason thus far, interested to see where we end up.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
5:01 pm

CP #11 is Carter. He ready. I think Pape Sy days are numbered. Shurma and Carter look way better.

BALLER13

July 13th, 2012
5:02 pm

Whatever, stop trippin man the White Kid wont make the team! Get over it! LOL

jdas

July 13th, 2012
5:04 pm

THIS JUST IN: hawks in trade talks for bird, russell, mchale, kc jones and sach sanders.

Shameless Hawks Fan

July 13th, 2012
5:09 pm

We go from HighLight Factory to Midget Factory ……WTF gives???? If we sign another 6′3 guard I’m gonna try out myself.

GT Alum

July 13th, 2012
5:09 pm

LOL, comparing Ferry and JJ to Tom and Katie.

Ntrigue

July 13th, 2012
5:09 pm

If we cant get howard we need to go after Scola!

random

July 13th, 2012
5:10 pm

john jenkins is nothing but swish lol

BALLER13

July 13th, 2012
5:10 pm

I know its only summer league, but John Jenkins is the DEAL!!!!!!

TMACfan

July 13th, 2012
5:11 pm

Jenkins Poster

GT Alum

July 13th, 2012
5:12 pm

Hawks running them out of the gym.

G.Johnson

July 13th, 2012
5:12 pm

Ferry is doing a great job, now we can pass the inside out to the perimeters shooters instead of the isolation at the end of games. I like the better offense moves and, I’m sure Josh, Al, or can clean up the rebounding, blocks, etc..

random

July 13th, 2012
5:12 pm

ah hell look at benson

Disgusted

July 13th, 2012
5:13 pm

Korver is not a bad player, here is a guy who gets you 9 or 10 points a games and averages a WS/48 of .172. .100 is average. He can play some small forward, so its not a bad pick up.

How good will the Hawks be this yr. Don;t count out a 40 to 45 win season. The slippage is not going to be as bad as some might think.

Hinrich and or/a second round pick????? That is not giving up much.

BTW, Jenkins looks good in the Summer league in Orlando. Jenkins is going to have a role right away. I do want him to play with confidence.

The Hawks got some decent talent in the moves in Morrow, Harris, Korver, signing Lou Will & Jenkins is no Ed Gray, Gaylon Nickerson or Darryl Comegeys. Jenkins will play in this league.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
5:14 pm

I like the hustle of this summer league team. Jenkins playing good.

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
5:14 pm

is ben hansborough on our summer team? when did this happen?
a of now our 12 spots would be, in no particular order..
1.jsmith 2.horford 3.teague 4.zaza 5.jenkins 6.morrow 7.harris 8.ivan? 9.louwill 10.petro 11.korver 12.deshawn stevenson 13.jordan williams 14.mikescott

gt alum
i dont see mike scott making the 12 man rotation if we got ivan

Disgusted

July 13th, 2012
5:15 pm

All the time Hawks fans wanted a bold GM who would be out of the box & now we got what e wished for,

So lets deal wih it and see how the process comes out.

Come on, ATL did not like the team as it was constructed, did not appreciate the Joe Johnson era and now he is in Brooklyn, so its not like we missed much. We did not like the old, so the new GM brought in something new.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
5:17 pm

I spoke too soon about Shurma. Go ahead and get Korver.

J.J.M.

July 13th, 2012
5:22 pm

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
5:26 pm

Yea that blonde ref could get the business.

Ray

July 13th, 2012
5:26 pm

John Jenkins killing it out there, but it’s only Summer League, but still I feel a little better about him after the draft.

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
5:27 pm

random prec prec prec for the site

i now can watch the game… for free

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
5:27 pm

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

“Yea that blonde ref could get the business.”

that hair looks very pullable hahahaha

Ray

July 13th, 2012
5:27 pm

How are you guys watching this???

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
5:28 pm

John

July 13th, 2012
5:29 pm

Ray, its on NBA tv.

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
5:30 pm

What’s the rule about trading traded players? Are we not stuck with all this guys until January?

random

July 13th, 2012
5:30 pm

ray go to firstrow.com

Ray

July 13th, 2012
5:30 pm

Oh okay normally someone knows where to find it for quote on quote people who don’t feel like paying lol.

random

July 13th, 2012
5:31 pm

i found that website sometime last year lol its pretty good they have all types of sports on it

John

July 13th, 2012
5:34 pm

haha. yeah firstrow and atdhe if you dont wanna pay ;)

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
5:34 pm

FTPB

I have an assignment for the blog.

Head over to the Houston Rockets Blog and vote in their poll:

“If Rockets trade for Dwight Howard, do you think GM Daryl Morey can put together a roster that can be competitive next season?”

It is right under the Kyle Lowry picture. Vote “NO”.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/kyle-lowry-moves-on-barely-able-to-recognize-the-team-he-left-behind/

The vote is almost 50% – 50%. A few votes from the ATL will help push the fanbase over the cliff.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
5:35 pm

Jenkins and #11 Carter are standing out.

Ray

July 13th, 2012
5:37 pm

@ Random

That’s what I’m talking about thanks folk.

random

July 13th, 2012
5:40 pm

no prob man gotta help the blog fam out

Heisenberg

July 13th, 2012
5:47 pm

If Houston is stupid enough to amnesty Scola, Hawks need to be all over him.

Jay Dubu

July 13th, 2012
5:47 pm

With all the shooters that the Hawks are amassing, there’s no way LD can allow Josh to camp out just inside the 3-point line next season. He’ll be forced to play down low, and there should be some room to work, if the shooters shoot as expected.

Glenn

July 13th, 2012
5:49 pm

The Hawks need bigs, not more guards.

Heisenberg

July 13th, 2012
5:52 pm

Scola is a big. Can play 4 or 5. 15 points 8 rebs a game.

VD

July 13th, 2012
5:53 pm

Another shooting specialist in Korver huh? Interesting. Isn’t that what Orlando tried to do with Dwight? Put lots of shooters around him?

Heisenberg

July 13th, 2012
5:54 pm

Korver is also a smart player and a good passer. Would be a good addition.

GT Alum

July 13th, 2012
5:58 pm

Good game for Wanamaker.

GT Alum

July 13th, 2012
5:59 pm

Refs are getting ridic with these flagrants.

Tim

July 13th, 2012
5:59 pm

DF seems to be gathering shooters…Jenkins, Korver…
I really do think I smell something big coming

John

July 13th, 2012
6:04 pm

I missed Benson, did it look like he filled out some? If he’s still only 230lbs that’s depressing.

random

July 13th, 2012
6:09 pm

Benson looked good out there though not gonna lie

The Real cp

July 13th, 2012
6:10 pm

Benson played very well. Jenkins can flat out shoot but he has to work on this handles. Wannamaker looks a lot better than what I saw out of him in the preseason last year. I dont know if Scott makes this team unless other moves are made freeing up a spot.

The Real cp

July 13th, 2012
6:10 pm

I meant work on his handles

Unbelievable

July 13th, 2012
6:10 pm

Getting rid of Joe and Marvin.

Picking up Lou for 1/4 of what Joe was making (and $3 mil less than Marvin).

Getting Korver for nothing.

Still maintaining big salary cap flexibility.

Danny Ferry so far has fleeced the Nets, the Jazz, and the Bulls, and he was there to take advantage of a dumb 76ers front office. (Philly signed Nick Young and Kwame Brown, but let Lou walk.)

On top of all that, just for sh*ts and giggles, we actually drafted a guy who can play.

And to the haters: this team RIGHT NOW is better than last year’s team. Losing Joe was a plus, not a death blow. This is crazy, and I’m loving it.

Columbus

July 13th, 2012
6:11 pm

@highsider. Patience. There are many scenarios. This season. Trade deadline. Next season. Trades. Free agency. My point is anyone who crtiticizes is going to make a fool of themselves because they have no idea what the big picture is. What the plan is. What trades will be made and when. Do you knwo what Ferry’s plan is? No. Do we really care a whole lot about making major deals this year? Maybe. Maybe not. Half of this is VERY temporary and I will NOT criticize ONE move before I see the roster for 2013-2014…..and there is no reason anyone else should because 2013-2014 IS the big picture and the only thing that matters. There might be 25 trades/signings between now and then/. DOnt get caught up in the moment with each aand every rumor , move or signing and FORGET te big picture AND IT CERTANILY IS NOT THE COMING SEASON……

THERE IS A VERY LONG WAY TO GO BETWEEN NOW AND NOV. 2013….CHILL OUT

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
6:11 pm

Rod,

Making the All star team, especially more than once means you are one of the best players in the world, as the NBA is easily considered the best baskeball league in the world..

Really? So guys like Mo Williams, Jameer Nelson, Antawn Jamison, and Zydraunas Ilgauskas were one of the best players in the world?

And based on the flip side of your logic then, Josh Smith is not one of the best players in the world since he has never made an all-star team.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
6:12 pm

I am not a fan of the Kyle Korver trade either. But he is another expiring contract, so at least it doesn’t affect our salary cap flexibility for next offseason.

And there is also a small chance that we are accumulating expiring contracts to send to Orlando, so we can match up salary wise :smile:

Either way, I just hope we sign a guy like Matt Barnes or Pietrus to provide some toughness at the SF spot.

Left Coast Dawg

July 13th, 2012
6:15 pm

LOL @ comment about blonde ref getting the business!!

melman

July 13th, 2012
6:18 pm

hawks fans you all need to come down!!! set back and be chill. let the man do his job. everybody wants to come out the gate wide open. the man knows what he is doing, check out his past teams that he was the Gm over. dang just relax and hope for championships in the future.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
6:19 pm

From hoopshype;

KC Johnson: The Korver trade is via Minnesota into Atlanta’s traded player exception, meaning Bulls get 2nd-round pick from Minny and save $500K.

Give credit to the Hawks. They actually used a TPE. When was the last time that happened?

Rob

July 13th, 2012
6:24 pm

The offseason isnt over yet. Keep it going Danny i know our not done yet.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
6:30 pm

Currently, the only guys under contract for 2013-2014 is Al Horford at $12 mil, and JJ2 ($2 mil maybe?). So if the salary cap remains at $58 mil, we would have $44 mil in cap space (not counting cap holds of course), and not counting exceptions.

I think that is Danny Ferry’s plan. Get a bunch of expiring contracts, and hope to sign 2 high level FA next offseason, and retain Josh Smith.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
6:31 pm

Key thing is his contract is expiring whereas Kirk (going to the Bulls) will likely get a multi year deal. I have no problem with this move, but they really should make a move for a defensive-minded swingman like Pietrus or Barnes before it is too late.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
6:32 pm

Who won the Hawks summer league game today? What was the score? How did Jenkins look?

Unbelievable

July 13th, 2012
6:38 pm

Hawks ran ‘em out of the gym, looked good. Were up by 20 to 25 points most of the game.

Jenkins 19 points on 7-12 shooting, made all 4 threes.

Not too shabby….

JJ13

July 13th, 2012
6:41 pm

terrell

July 13th, 2012
6:42 pm

How many games did we lose from missed free throws last year? With jenkins, Morrow, Louis and Korver on the floor, who in the hell you gonna foul? Jenkins’ free throws didnt even touch the nets today. lol

JProc41ATL

July 13th, 2012
6:44 pm

Jenkins scored 19 with hardly any help…imagine what he will do with Teague, Smoove, and Al passing him the ball for a wide open shot most of the time!! Starter maybe?

Unbelievable

July 13th, 2012
6:45 pm

Oops, 7-13 shooting for Jenkins, not 7-12.

Never mind, the guy’s a bum. :-)

Great point on the free throws, terrell. Someone earlier also mentioned that Josh would have to go low and not hang out on the perimeter, because there would already be guys there who can shoot it.

Unbelievable

July 13th, 2012
6:48 pm

Jenkins looks resourceful, too. He got a couple buckets in close, including a nice tap on an inbounds play. He’s not just a shooter, he’s a scorer. Seems to have a really high basketball IQ.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
6:52 pm

Summer league production doesn’t mean sh-t. With that said, on the game highlights, Jenkins looks more athletic than, say, JJ Redick (who seems to be a frequent comparison for him). That is a good sign.

Wonder why Pape Sy the Choice of a New Generation only played 4 minutes.

Gone Viral

July 13th, 2012
6:55 pm

So, Ferry has now drafted a shooter, signed a shooter in free agency and traded for a shooter. I guess he really will follow the San Antonio blueprint.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
6:55 pm

@unbelievable

Thanks!

mountain_jim

July 13th, 2012
6:57 pm

Pape played? I missed it – I did miss the 1st quarter.

I was glad to see the interview with Danny. Benson looked good also.

SuckerFree

July 13th, 2012
7:03 pm

ESPN says it’s a done deal but they aren’t saying what we traded

SuckerFree

July 13th, 2012
7:05 pm

John Jenkins is going to fill up the bench. Korver is DEADLY…any space and it’s curtains

Man we have some bonafide knock down shooters: Korver, Morrow, Lou Williams, Stevenson.

Josh Smith better not EVER shoot another three….EVER.

Jay Dubu

July 13th, 2012
7:13 pm

Joe Johnson was introduced as an official Nets today.

“I haven’t been this excited since my Phoenix days,” Johnson said of the prospect of playing with Williams.

Two points:
1 – Billy Knight coul;d hav had JJ excited several years ago, if only he knew how to evaluate talent.

2- After all the years, and dollars that JJ was given in Atlanta…he never got this excited???!!!

michael

July 13th, 2012
7:15 pm

what’s with all the guard play??? i’m 7′3” and the hawks don’t want me. i have a 45″ vertical and am savey left/right. so what if im 85, talk about age bias…..I WAS the one caught on film as big foot.

Jay Dubu

July 13th, 2012
7:16 pm

Keep in mind that you are watching these young players against other young, inexperienced players, so just because they stand head and shoulders above the the field that they’re playing in now, doesn’t equate to them doing that when the grown men take the court.

mountain_jim

July 13th, 2012
7:17 pm

Joe Johnson disappeared so badly in the playoffs, and was so out-classed by the Celtics best players in that series, that I was thrilled he was traded. Not a leader.

Harpie

July 13th, 2012
7:18 pm

None of Danny Ferry’s moves are going to help a bit until he gets a new coach! Just wait and see…

Luke Cage

July 13th, 2012
7:18 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

DAMN, we pay no Defense playin Korver 5mil.

michael

July 13th, 2012
7:19 pm

slow down in the mine. play with heart. ur skills took u this far. check the ego at the gate.

Luke Cage

July 13th, 2012
7:19 pm

At least he can shoot.

Luke Cage

July 13th, 2012
7:20 pm

And he’s in the last yr of his contract I believe, so more space.

Hawkfan12

July 13th, 2012
7:22 pm

Good comments all…

Yes Jenkins looked really good, and does have a high basketball IQ. I am telling you, every times he shoots, you think it is going in. He hit 2 dagger 3’s as the shot clock was going off that were nothin but net. He also played pretty good defense against the more physical Bradley Beal. He also had a great alley-oop pass to Benson on a dunk. Good to see that he had court vision and just doesn’t look for his own shot.

Mike Scott played a good game too, he has a good face up game and can hit some pick and pop shots. He was mixing it up, getting physical and getting some rebounds and defense. He is a little undersized to play the 4, but you can see he is a player.

I wanted to see more from Shurma from Northwestern, and first game, and he still has some work to do, especially getting stronger. He made some shots, but not the elite shooter that Jenkins is. Korver is a clearly a better player right now.

Benson played really well, scoring 19 points as well. He still needs to bulk up, but was mixing it up and was around the basket.

Wannemaker played better, but did have some turnovers do to some pressure from Sheldon Mack, who was really pressing him, but he had a decent game. Taylor looked a little nervous then calmed down as the game went on.

Overall, very impressed with the effort on hustle of the team, they held their ground and kept playing hard even when Washington made runs. Very impressed with the first game.

Jay Dubu

July 13th, 2012
7:22 pm

JProc41ATL

Look at the player that Rondo has developed into…Jenkins could very well become a superstar, but we have to give hime some time on the court with the grown-ups.

Would be a really nice find to get a Reggie Miller type scorer on the Hawks.

Unbelievable

July 13th, 2012
7:22 pm

No problem, Rev. I’ve been lurking here a while watching the conversation, and finally decided to jump in a little bit. Much respect to the long-time posters here. It’s good to have a place to talk Hawks, even if we don’t all agree.

@Najeh: Jenkins seems to look good in all the ways you want him to look good. I just think he’ll be able to adjust to the league and get his shot off. Play team defense, all that. He’s, uh…crafty is the word I would use.

lmfao @Suckerfree not letting Smoove shoot another 3. Right on.

random

July 13th, 2012
7:23 pm

Clowning on joe lmao

Bret LaGree ‏@hoopinion
I expect Joe Johnson to hold the ball for 14 seconds, sizing up the plate before throwing out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium tonight.

Luke Cage

July 13th, 2012
7:24 pm

@Jay Dubu

He was never fully embraced either from day 1 of his press conference for the Hawks, fans were never behind him. It Is What It Is!

geno

July 13th, 2012
7:24 pm

Joe Johnson was introduced as an official Nets today.

“I haven’t been this excited since my Phoenix days,” Johnson said of the prospect of playing with Williams.

dude didnt wanna be here anyway…. forget joe johnson!… im kinda pissed he said that but hes gone now… felt like a slap in the face but anywho,… i wonder who we traded for korver also… The only reson i would get dwight over chandler and mcgee is because dwight would fill up more seats and he brings his name… As long as my center can dunk and get rebounds im good…lol..oan block shots..i am looking foward to this season and i think the hawks will get the 5th seed due to inexperience with playing with eachother, but i dont if this team (as is) is final, but its looking pretty good… we all know they need a sf and a center and i wish we had a new coach but aye its fun watching..

geno

July 13th, 2012
7:27 pm

*but i dont know if this team (as is) is final, but its looking pretty good… we all know they need a sf and a center and i wish we had a new coach but aye its fun watching..

Just Joe

July 13th, 2012
7:27 pm

Summer league is usually played so ragged that the second most impressive thing about Jenkins was his zero turnovers. Grabbed a few boards, dished some assists. Great first game.

Jay Dubu

July 13th, 2012
7:27 pm

O’Brien

How does the TPE work…from your description, the Hawks get a player, and gives up nothing, yet Minny gives up a 2rd pick, and the Bulls get 500K.

Explain if you please.

michael

July 13th, 2012
7:29 pm

another gm, new guy, another promising five year wait. damn and i’m 85 now. oh well…….

JProc41ATL

July 13th, 2012
7:31 pm

I don’t see why people are complaining about all the shooters??? Last time I checked plenty of shooters are a great thing! The best teams in the league (MIA, OKC, SAS, BOS) have a ton of great spot up shooters! Teague, Smoove, and Al need to learn to draw a double team and kick out to the perimeter! This also gives oppurtunities for Teague to drive one on one (without defensive help from other teams concerned about outside shooting) and for Al and Smoove to post up one on one!

Unbelievable

July 13th, 2012
7:35 pm

Joe Johnson today:

“I want to thank the Hawks for making me an insanely rich man, even though I provided diminishing returns and failed to lead the team in any way. I showed indifference to, and even contempt for, the fans of Atlanta. I would have flipped off the crowd in my last home game, but I was kind of tired.

“In closing, I look forward to the next few years, where my increasingly bloated annual salary can drag the Nets down further and further into salary cap hell, while I get older and the quality of my play plummets. But my ultimate goal is to do all I can to help Deron Williams make another quality head coach want to quit in midseason and possibly never coach again.”

newkid

July 13th, 2012
7:38 pm

Korver deal could be about D12? Here’s how. Houston’s on the make for Asik, possibly to package in a trade deadline deal with the Magic for D12. Chicago likely less willing to match Houston’s Asik offer with Korver on the books, and could move him and pick up a future 2nd. With Korver gone, and a few other castoffs, Bulls now more likely to match Houston’s offer to Asik. Surely Ferry is well aware of this dynamic, and may be playing a little defense against the Rockets by potentially denying the Rockets an asset that may well be of huge interest to Orlando in a D12 trade. Orlando wants/needs a young, inexpensive, up and coming 5, and Asik fits that bill perfectly.

So what’s the downside? Not much. A shooter like Korver with an expiring will likely be much sought after – at the trade deadline – by a team making a push to get even stronger for the playoffs. He may even be important enough to a team’s playoff push to offer a future first.

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
7:48 pm

“Really? So guys like Mo Williams, Jameer Nelson, Antawn Jamison, and Zydraunas Ilgauskas were one of the best players in the world?”

YES

“And based on the flip side of your logic then, Josh Smith is not one of the best players in the world since he has never made an all-star team.”

CORRECT

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
7:52 pm

FTPB

“Absorbing one or maybe even two of those contracts would suck, but to take on pretty much every one of the Magics bad contracts just to get Howard’s services for a season with no gaurantee of an extension is dumb beyond dumb.”

I can see Houston’s point of view because any team that trades for Dwight without a commitment is really looking at this year as a “bridge” year and intends to really start building a contender next summer. By the time next summer rolls around, Turkoglu has a $12 million expiring deal, Duhon has a $4 million expiring deal, and Davis and Richardson have two years left at only slightly higher than the non-taxpayer mid level.

In other words, if Dwight stays in Houston next summer, Houston has $16 million worth of expiring deals to offer somebody for a complementary star (kind of like how the Nets sent their expiring deals here in the Joe trade). If Dwight leaves, Houston is going to suck anyway in 2013-14, and those deals will be wiped off the books just in time for them to pick high in the lottery and maybe look for a big time free agent to pair with their 2014 lottery pick.

For a team like Houston that really doesn’t have any All Star caliber players on their roster to build around, taking on all those deals makes sense. For a team like the Hawks that would look to team Dwight with a player or two that is already on the current roster, it isn’t quite as sensible.

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
7:52 pm

Kover, Really??

It’s hard to criticize when you really don’t know what’s going on, but K Kover? With respect to rebounding and defense, he makes Marvin Williams look like a stud, no seriously.

When the Hawks played small ball against Chicago, LD would put 6′-2″ Teague on Kover 6′-7″ and he would struggle. This guy is totaling one-dimensional with no exception. If he’s not knocking’m down, he’s useless. He can be deadly though if he’s left alone so he will stretch the defense. He needs picks to get-off because he can’t create. With respect to the Hawks redundant shooters, he’s not really bringing anything unique to the Hawks other than his 6′-7″ body as a SF.

I hope there’s more to this story than what meets the eye because the Hawks will have a rebounding-defense hole. If the Hawks can’t stop anyone, the will just have high-scoring losses.

Only takes 5

July 13th, 2012
7:54 pm

Korver supposed to be a great outside shooter?

michael

July 13th, 2012
7:56 pm

it’s really about values. money is the bed but integrity no matter where you are is up to he individual. money can’t buy everything. i do wonder what these guys would do with out their skills. notice all the crime/suicides or whatever after their retiement………

Rick James

July 13th, 2012
7:59 pm

Gerald Green please!!

vava74

July 13th, 2012
8:00 pm

Montejunas is tearing it up in the summer league …

I bet that T-S is j****** off at the TV set right now as I type…

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
8:00 pm

“they will just have high-scoring losses.”

Kyle Korver Is Not Marvin Williams

July 13th, 2012
8:01 pm

Not to be That Guy, but it’s Korver, not Kover.

Also, I’m pretty sure Danny Ferry will have a diverse enough squad to cover the rebounding and defense thing. Defense in the league is more about rotating and playing team defense anyway.

For example, Smoove is not a great one-on-one defender, but he is a great help defender. And you yourself said someone like Teague was able to give Korver a hard time.

It looks like Ferry is building a team of above-average role players. Get them to hustle and play team defense, and they’ll be fine. But we have to be able to shoot the ball first.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
8:08 pm

“What’s the rule about trading traded players? Are we not stuck with all this guys until January?”

Players acquired in a trade can be traded by themselves or with draft picks immediately. If you want to package them with other players, you have to wait two months after acquiring them. So Korver, for example, can be traded by himself right now, but can’t be packaged with other players in a trade until September.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
8:09 pm

“Gerald Green please!!”

Already signed with Indiana. 3 years $10 million.

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
8:09 pm

“Not to be That Guy, but it’s Korver, not Kover”

Thanks TS

LoL, It’s Friday:

I used Kover because he can’t COVER

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
8:09 pm

“Montejunas is tearing it up in the summer league …

I bet that T-S is j****** off at the TV set right now as I type…”

T-S and pointguardslim are not the same person.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
8:14 pm

Run Korver off screens and it can open up other things offensively, provided that players make quick decisions with the ball. It’s similar to how the Celtics open up things offensively by running Ray Allen off screens. Yes, he is a major liability in every other respect and shouldn’t play more than 15-20 minutes per game under any circumstances, but that doesn’t mean he is not a useful player if used correctly.

All that said, I’m pretty sure this is more about acquiring a contributor with an expiring contract who is easily movable in a subsequent trade. The Hawks are probably better off using Jenkins in that Ray Allen-like role of running off screens to catch and shoot.

steven a smith

July 13th, 2012
8:14 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
8:09 pm

“Gerald Green please!!”

Already signed with Indiana. 3 years $10 million.

Gerald Green is an athletic SCRUB!!! We don not need him. He does not have the BRAIN to win in playoff Basketball!

steven a smith

July 13th, 2012
8:16 pm

Keith Benson may make this team. He looks good playing the 5 position, very instinctive.

SuckerFree

July 13th, 2012
8:19 pm

Kyle Korver is a bench player…we all know that…it’s not like we are getting him to play against LBJ. The point is that our bench this year is MILES BETTER than the one we fielded last year. Without question. More diverse and these guys won’t struggle to score. It would be rare they give up a 12 pt lead.

The flip side is that our Starting 5 isn’t as strong because we have no proven starter at SG or SF. As much as we loathed Marvin Williams he was a starting caliber SF. Now we can mix and match and go small etc. etc. but the fact is that we need a SF. We have enough guards that can score in order to get by playing small but we need a SF.

I’m not sure who’s available. I know Anthony Randolph is available….he can play the 4 and Josh Smith can play the 3. That’s the best solution I see.

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
8:23 pm

Get ready for 2 – 1 – 2 Zone defense this year, JUST DAM

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
8:24 pm

I will say this — I’d rather have Korver than the guy (Vlad Rad) who was supposed to occupy that role last year. Role players are always better when they realize their limitations and play within them, and Korver is much better at that than Vlad Rad.

steven a smith

July 13th, 2012
8:25 pm

This is already the “deepest’ Hawks team since the Nique years. I am in. I will be purchasing NBA League Pass this season. Thank you Danny Ferry!!!

Sautee

July 13th, 2012
8:26 pm

Najeh, co-sign your 8:24 post.

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
8:27 pm

Hawks have no athleticism at SF except Josh, SMH

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
8:32 pm

Where is Pietrus, a great solid perimeter defender.

Hawks need defense not a team full of jumpshooter.

Starting to look more like Magic team with out D12.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

vava74

July 13th, 2012
8:37 pm

Najeh,

I thought that the guy pushing last year for a Thabeet + Montiejunas trade was T-S.

I am wrong?

Ctrim

July 13th, 2012
8:41 pm

Does anyone know if we are under the cap after the Joe trade? Can we bid on amnestied players?

vava74

July 13th, 2012
8:42 pm

Ctrim,

Nope. We are capped out.

Sautee

July 13th, 2012
8:44 pm

vava,

They are different people. pointguardslim was the one pushing for that trade.

mudcat47

July 13th, 2012
8:54 pm

What the hell are we going to do with 8 shooting guards?

Shameless Hawks Fan

July 13th, 2012
8:55 pm

Hawks go from Sugar to shi#^>#%}. Ferry is lost without Duncan with Spurs and the Kang in Cleveland. No SuperStar is going to sign here. Forget it. Atlanta is home to most of these guys girl friends or groupies. Howard who grew up here has more azz here than he can keep up with. You think he wants to live here?? Whyyy so they all can bump into each other. Gathering up all of these scraps of players would be good if you use them for bait. BUT it’s not gonna happen! NBA players LOVE coming to Atlanta to play a game but not to STAY! Get Real with rebuilding this team!!!

Just Joe

July 13th, 2012
8:59 pm

You’ve gotta like this quote from Jenkins. “I’m going to get big minutes playing defense.”

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
8:59 pm

Aquiring Shooters for his center piece?

NewKid: great observation ref Danny playing a little defense with the enemy[Houston] by using a third party[Chicago] to jam up [Houston] like he did to the [Nets] by trading ISO..

This guy is unreal? What a sly customer that Danny Ferry is…

Ex-Hawks Fan

July 13th, 2012
9:03 pm

@Shameless Hawks Fan:

You’re so right. I see it so clearly now. Losing Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams has destroyed this franchise, and we will never ever recover.

I’m throwing in the towel. Danny Ferry has proven conclusively that he will never be able to win in Atlanta, and all hope is lost. I’m going upstairs now to tell my young sons, who are getting ready for bed, that they can no longer be Hawks fans.

Then I’m getting online and ordering some Miami Heat merchandise. I just hope to God that my children will never remember these futile, hopeless times when they were losers cheering for their hometown team, instead of frontrunners chasing whatever superstar-laden team was the flavor of the month.

We have, as you so eloquently put it, gone from Sugar…to Sh*t. Thank you, Shameless Hawks Fan, for showing us all the way.

Ray

July 13th, 2012
9:06 pm

Danny Ferry knows what the heck he’s doing I say anyone trying to bring him down back off let the man work.

This guy isn’t BK and he’s def not Rick Lame Duck Sund. He knows Houston is after Dwight real bad like someone said he’s trying to jam up Houston so they can’t have all these pieces.

I got to admit based off 1 game John Jenkins just might kill it in the NBA and Benson isn’t looking that timid no more. But it’s just one game.

Still we’ve all be moaning and groaning for a Center Sign Keith Benson NOW!

Ex-Hawks Fan

July 13th, 2012
9:06 pm

Just kidding. Danny Ferry is brilliant, and I haven’t been this excited about the Hawks in years.

For the last time, we’re a better team now than when DF took over.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
9:10 pm

Jenkins maybe the 1st guy off the bench? This dude can play.Looks like he belongs! Nice.

Hawkeye

July 13th, 2012
9:11 pm

Thanks jdas, I hear that Sanders kid is the best of the bunch………… :-) )

WL

July 13th, 2012
9:12 pm

Don’t be surprised if the hawks win between 46-50 gms this season!!!

THe DeGarmo

July 13th, 2012
9:16 pm

a guy making 5 mil won’t make the team? god you are a dumbass baller13.

Johnny Flynn

July 13th, 2012
9:33 pm

Matt Barnes to visit Hawks over the weeknend= big news. i would suppose that he starts if signed.

JProc41ATL

July 13th, 2012
9:37 pm

EVERYONE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS!
Last year Larry Drew had players that were left from Woodson’s system (heavy isolation players) that did not work in the motion offense. But now what Danny Ferry has done is get rid of the past Woodson/Sund era mistakes and bring in the new Drew/Ferry team (note: both want a great passing and great shooting team)! Last year the Hawks shot great from downtown with terrible shooters! Now bring in the top of the line gunners we have now and see what will happen! The motion offense will work with the players we have! Danny Ferry is doing better than I could have ever dreamed of in building this team! This team right now is as good (if not better) than last year’s team, yet there is still MORE room to go! We are one player (possibly Iggy or Rudy Gay) from being a serious title contender!

JProc41ATL

July 13th, 2012
9:39 pm

REMEMBER: In June, we had reached our ceiling. First week of July, we were a “lottery” team. But now, we have a great chance!
#BelieveInDanny!

Shameless Hawks Fan

July 13th, 2012
9:43 pm

If Ferry was given a green light he should have went the way of shipping out Josh Smith to get a real center not Joe. Marvin included or not. Joe had and amnesty tag over his head as long as wore a Hawks jersey. Hell he traded him and got NOTHiNG in return but warm bodies so what’s the difference? Teague Joe Marvin Al plus Bynum ..McGee ….Hibbert…. Hawes. Josh at 13 mil per was an easy cover to unload in a S/T or added in with 2 1st round picks or money or whatever the hell it took. Now it’s just gutted and STINKS!!!

tidog

July 13th, 2012
9:44 pm

John Jenkins performance is a reason why judgement should be reseved until a player is put in the heat of battle. Draft night isn’t the indicator. Now that he’s won some fans over on his first summmer league perfomance lets hope this is just the beginning of things to come.

tidog

July 13th, 2012
9:49 pm

oops” reserved “

heartofdarkness

July 13th, 2012
9:50 pm

Who will pass the ball to Korver?

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
9:53 pm

Matt Barnes? Was he not on that Orlando Finals team in 07? Hmmmmmm

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
9:53 pm

The plot thickens…

Nite Owl

July 13th, 2012
9:55 pm

@heartofdarkness:

All our bigs are athletic and good passers—Josh, Al, and Zaza have all shown the propensity to kick it out, especially on the break.

Add to that the guards that we have—Teague, Lou, Devin Harris, Morrow, Jenkins.

The better question is “who *wouldn’t* pass the ball to Korver?”

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
9:56 pm

“The point is that our bench this year is MILES BETTER than the one we fielded last year. Without question.”

And last year’s bench was miles better than Josh Powell & company. The bench might have been better that year if Larry Drew would have unglued Teague’s butt from the pines.

Nite Owl

July 13th, 2012
10:00 pm

@SHF:

Interesting scenario, but I don’t think we were going to get Bynum for Smoove. I wouldn’t give Hibbert the max, and I wouldn’t give McGee the time of day.

If Joe and Marvin had stayed, we would’ve continued to get nothing from Marvin, and Joe’s production would’ve continued to decline.

Though it is true that Hibbert/McGee/Bynum would’ve helped to rebound all the misses.

Keeping it Real

July 13th, 2012
10:07 pm

Get him out of here for someone we need, please.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
10:07 pm

“EVERYONE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS!
Last year Larry Drew had players that were left from Woodson’s system (heavy isolation players) that did not work in the motion offense. But now what Danny Ferry has done is get rid of the past Woodson/Sund era mistakes and bring in the new Drew/Ferry team”

I’ve thought about it and here’s what I think – I think this is the first positive blog comment I read about Larry Drew in over one and a half years.

I believe this next season will reinforce our strong conviction that Larry Drew can’t coach.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
10:09 pm

Where did Matt Barnes play last season? Did he start?

Shameless Hawks Fan

July 13th, 2012
10:22 pm

I will give Ferry a PASS… for now. But if gets caught holding cards there should be an amnesty clause setup for GM’s.

Double Dribble

July 13th, 2012
10:27 pm

Joe, we haven’t been this happy since your Phoenix days either!

You’ll be 2nd or 3rd string on the second tier team in NYC. Good for you. You could lead ants to a picnic.

That’s why you liked PHX so much, you were a backup. Can’t be the man. We shouldn’t have asked you to, or paid you to either

You are the weakest link, GOODBYE

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
10:27 pm

“Matt Barnes to visit Hawks over the weeknend= big news. i would suppose that he starts if signed.”

Source Please

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
10:41 pm

David Aldridge reports that the Dwight-to-Rockets talks are not active and not close to completion.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
10:41 pm

The Rockets, according to a league source briefed on the discussions, are willing to take one bad contract back from the Magic, not two or three, as has been speculated. And in return, Houston will give up one of the their three first-round picks in last month’s Draft– Jeremy Lamb, Royce White or Terrence Jones –but only one.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
10:46 pm

I am very disappointed by Joe Johnson’s comments today. For him to treat his time in Atlanta as a non-event was unclassy. Fans need to boo him out of Philips next year. Section 303 can lead the booing.

soullrenaissance

July 13th, 2012
10:53 pm

Average Joe is a classless trick who probably spent most of his MAX deal in Magic City – we can tell you were not excite – ya over-priced scrub.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
10:55 pm

Joe is known for being a man of few words. He should have kept his mouth closed today.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
10:56 pm

Danny Ferry playing chess. My source at the Fulton County Library informs me that High-Sider just checked out “Checkers for Dummies.”

doc

July 13th, 2012
11:00 pm

rev, barnes has been languishing on the bench of the lakers for two years. he might have even been injured for part of last season. the lakers it was said was brought to la after the run that the magic to merely weaken the magic as much as strengthen them. he has been playing behind world peace.

on another note, if we dont get d12 and were to have barnes and say scola come here on limited contracts we might be able to be competitive. just dont know how it works with the players already on the roster and the bucks we have to spend but i would roll with them and might say they could be better than last year at face value.

doc

July 13th, 2012
11:03 pm

slimj told ya, art of war on getting jj out to stop d12 in brooklyn, now this. hmmmm

doc

July 13th, 2012
11:03 pm

now what did jj really say?

doc

July 13th, 2012
11:07 pm

jj was smiling away att he pesss conference but he said positives for this article:

Joe Johnson had the opportunity to come to New York if he really felt like it two summers ago.
He was in that same free-agent class as LeBron James, Amar’e Stoudemire and Dwyane Wade, and the Knicks were among those inquiring about the six-time All-Star guard’s services. But Johnson elected to stay with the Hawks, who could offer him more money than anyone else, taking their six-year, $119-million deal.
“Man, I was already established in Atlanta,” Johnson said Friday after his introductory news conference with Deron Williams at Brooklyn Borough Hall. “We were a team that was on the rise. We had made big jumps and leaps every year. We had a lot of great things going for us.
“So my thing with staying was I was comfortable. I thought we had a great team and I thought we could only get better.”
But there Johnson was Friday, spending time in Brooklyn — a place he’d never visited until Friday — and in an environment he’ll have to get familiar with after being traded to the Nets. He’s already feeding into what should turn out to be a fierce rivalry with the Knicks, saying “definitely, the Nets,” when asked which team in town is better.
“Well, you’ve got to be confident,” he said. “I think being confident will get you somewhere . . . You’ve got to play with a certain swag, a certain confidence. We’ve got some great pieces, but at the same time, when you touch the floor, you’ve got to already feel that you are better than your opponent.”
Williams, Johnson’s new All-Star backcourt sidekick, can’t wait to get going with him by his side.
“I’ve never played with a player of his caliber on the wing,” Williams said, “where he can get his own shot, and create for others and vice versa. I’m going to take a lot of pressure off him and it’s going to be fun to play with him.”
Nets general manager Billy King called his new backcourt the “best in the NBA.”
“We have a Joe Johnson that can score and defend his position, you have Deron that can do the same,” King said. “There are a lot of good backcourts, but I don’t think there are backcourts that can do that. You’ve got two guys that can get you 18, 20 every night and they can defend their positions.”
What about Steve Nash and Kobe Bryant in Los Angeles? “They’re good. I like them,” King said. “But I think ours is better. I just think both these guys are physical, they can post up. I think Nash and Kobe, nothing to take away from them, but I think ours is better.”
Notes & quotes: King said the Nets are “close” to an agreement to re-sign forward Kris Humphries.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
11:07 pm

From the David Aldridge article:

“Howard has been adamant that he would not re-sign in Houston if traded there. However, the Rockets remain convinced they can change his mind once he gets to town.”

soullrenaissance

July 13th, 2012
11:10 pm

We can tell you were not EXCITED -

I just saw the interview clip of JJ. He did look excited, in all honesty. Its a shame, we paid him to be the man but balked at it. He is excited about being a sidekick – ATL is finall SUCKAFREE. At least in basketball – dang I forgot we still have LD.

soullrenaissance

July 13th, 2012
11:10 pm

‘finally’

Jim Dragon Kelly

July 13th, 2012
11:11 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1257826-rockets-are-making-the-correct-decision-going-after-dwight-howard

The Atlanta Hawks look like they will have the cap space to go after Dwight Howard as a free agent. They also have a valuable trade chip in Al Horford. The 26-year-old has four years at $12 million each remaining on his deal. This actually makes him slightly underpaid (not as much of a bargain as Rajon Rondo at $11 million, $12 million and $13 million the next three years).
By trading Horford for expiring contracts (and possible some picks), the Hawks could free up enough cap space to go after Howard AND Chris Paul. By trading Horford (maybe along with Teague), they could potentially acquire a high draft pick from a team that has the cap space to acquire those contracts without sending any salary back.
Granted, that is assuming the Hawks work quickly to acquire those two and then sign Smith. If they dawdle, some team could offer Smith a max. Smith would bring that max offer to the Hawks, and the Hawks would probably have to give him a max. That could lead to the Hawks not being able to give Paul and Howard full max contracts, especially if they acquire a high draft pick.
What would you rather have as a fan?
A team stuck between making the playoffs and the back end of the lottery? A bad team that has a chance to draft a superstar? Submit Vote vote to see results
The Hawks have two factors working for them when it comes to attracting Howard, outside of the quality of the team they can assemble.
First, Josh Smith is one of Howard’s best friends, and in an NBA full of AAU mentalities that may serve as a huge asset.
Second, Atlanta is home for Howard. His family appears to play a crucial role in his decision-making process. Some say his mother played a key role in Howard opting-in with the Magic (h/t Matt Moore of NBCSports). Pressure from his family to play close to home could cause Howard to sign for the Hawks.
Therefore, in that lengthy surveying of the landscape, the Hawks stand as the biggest threat to signing Howard away from the Hawks. Even if they must find a way to deal Horford, to free up enough cap space to sign Howard and Paul.
Also, their plans could be foiled by another team’s zealous pursuit of Josh Smith. Dallas would come in second, but must find a way to deal Marion (or have him opt out) in order to free up enough space to fit both Paul and Howard into their cap.
Even if these teams can offer Howard a max, the Rockets have the advantage of having Howard’s Bird Rights. This allows them to give Howard 7.5 percent annual raises as opposed to 4.5 percent. They can also offer a fifth year where his salary would increase by 10.5%. Compound that with the lack of income tax in Texas.
The financial incentives are better in Houston with respect to Dallas, and far superior with respect to Atlanta.
Now, Houston will not have the greatest cap position to improve their team around Howard. However, the contracts for Hedo Turkoglu and Chris Duhon are non-guaranteed. This gives the Rockets some attractive expiring contracts, to deal for a star to play with Howard.
In particular, the Rockets could look to take on a star being paid like a superstar. Much like the Hawks trading Joe Johnson, a quality supporting star can be acquired for expiring contracts if the contract is bad enough. The Glen Davis and Jason Richardson contracts will be pills the Rockets must swallow. They only become expiring contracts for the 2014-2015 season.
Where Will Howard Play in 2013-2014?
• Houston
22.7%
• Brooklyn
1.5%
• LA (Lakers)
22.7%
• LA (Clippers)
3.0%
• Atlanta
36.4%
• Dallas
7.6%
• Orlando
3.0%
• Other
3.0%
Total votes: 66
Daryl Morey’s use of analytics will also aid in surrounding Dwight with talent. Acquiring a superstar does not require a team to be smarter, more efficient or better-run than other teams (see Thunder getting Durant, San Antonio getting Duncan, etc.). Finding diamonds in the rough and the correct complementary parts—that is where franchises like the Thunder, Spurs and Rockets shine.
What is difference between the Thunder/Spurs and the Rockets? The Spurs and Thunder had a superstar to build around. This made their excellent talent evaluation matter in title races. If Houston acquires Howard, their ability to find gems will help to affect the balance of power in the NBA rather than keep them in contention for the eighth seed.
Say Howard leaves. Ideally, this occurs before the Rockets use Turkoglu and/or Duhon to acquire a quality supporting piece. The Rockets can then implement the first method of building a title contender. With Howard gone, the Rockets can focus on playing poorly enough to acquire high draft picks and land a superstar they can build around.
Even if the Rockets give their own draft picks (and they have quite a few first round picks in 2013), the Ted Stepien rule prevents them from dealing draft picks in consecutive years. Since they will take a rental on Howard, look for Morey give his 2013 picks and maybe a first in 2015. This is will still give them a chance to get a top pick in 2014. If they can stay bad (and lucky), they could build a foundation of talent much like the Thunder.
The NBA is a league of “haves” and “have nots.” A team must do all they can to get into that former group if they want to win a title.
The Rockets, by going after Howard, allow themselves to finally grab the superstar they have not had since Hakeem Olajuwon (I do not consider Tracy McGrady or Yao Ming superstars in terms of basketball ability).
If it works out, they can build around their center. If it does not work out, they can look forward to having a bad team—but also the chance to land a superstar in the draft.
That beats being stuck in mediocrity.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
11:16 pm

Doc,

JJ said today that he hasn’t been this happy since he was in Phx. Of course I’m just quoting others on the blog so I can’t swear to accuracy. Multiple people said it.

But the blog can be as accurate as a story being passed around the church sewing circle

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
11:26 pm

Joe never struck me as being the brightest bulb in the box. I generally try to avoid parsing what players say word for word, since they probably don’t put nearly that much thought into their own statements, but I would especially avoid that with Joe. He struck me as the type who abided by the age-old saying, “it’s better to keep your mouth closed and look stupid than open it and remove all doubt”.

He’ll still get a standing O from me for helping to lift this franchise from 13 wins to a perennial playoff team.

Casey

July 13th, 2012
11:28 pm

Hello? Anybody? Once again. What about Josh Childress?

moorman

July 13th, 2012
11:29 pm

josh childress is ANOTHER reminder of the bad picks billy knight made…….get over it…….

doc

July 13th, 2012
11:32 pm

rev, right there he was quoted as saying he was comfortable and thought the team was on the right track. yup not the brightest and very inarticulate. he did seem happy and they were really doing the pr thing like only nkc can. we should take some tips and begin to roll out the red carpet for more of our own. maybe df can beef up the pr department as well, and keep his owners quiet who create more firestorms by their actions that all but josh maybe have brought.

really i hope he is happy, wish him well. i will have many painful what ifs if he and dwill look like the second coming of clyde and pearl because that could have been our reality

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
11:58 pm

“Hello? Anybody? Once again. What about Josh Childress?”

Amnesty candidate.

O'Brien

July 14th, 2012
12:05 am

Did you guys see JJ in his NY Yankees cap, throwing out the first pitch at Yankee stadium? Marketing at work.

I’m curious. Did JJ ever throw out the first pitch for a Braves game, in his many years here?

Big Ray

July 14th, 2012
12:13 am

Have to say, I liked what I saw out of John Jenkins. Kid can SHOOT.

OH wait, I forgot the caveat emptor – “It’s only summer league.”

Big Ray

July 14th, 2012
12:17 am

I could care less what Joe Johnson had to say. Of course he’s happy not being option#1 anymore. He fits in Brooklyn and in Phoenix better than he ever did here. Did he do some good things in the ATL? Absolutely. Too bad those things got wasted and he was looked at as a messiah. Brooklyn will get the Joe that was meant to be, not the Joe that we tried to make him be.

TMACfan

July 14th, 2012
12:17 am

JJ getting treated well up in NY

Casey

July 14th, 2012
12:31 am

@moorman you obviously don’t know jack about basketball. Let the grownups talk.

Casey

July 14th, 2012
12:36 am

@Buddy Grizzard “Amnesty candidate.”

What are you talking about. He is not under contract with the Hawks. He’s been in Europe. We could have signed him last offseason, but Sund didn’t want to pay him enough.

Moorman

July 14th, 2012
12:50 am

Really casey?? Josh childresss…………chils is a REMINDER of knights infactuation with forwards…ferry dont want that..

random

July 14th, 2012
12:57 am

casey where have you been lmao josh childress is terrible, why you think he didn’t get playing time from the suns?

Rufus1

July 14th, 2012
1:17 am

Jeff Taylor…

If that guy isn’t a 1st round pick…. This has to be one of the deepest drafts EVER.

Mike Scott…

He better play better in the future, because Kyle O’Quinn / Kris Joseph can play….We need a shot blocker and a SF and we passed on the for an undersized PF(Like we don’t have many of them0

Keith Benson….

Looks like a keeper.

The Offense…

The SL team ran the offense better than I ever remember last years team running it.

Rufus1

July 14th, 2012
1:18 am

John Jenkins…As advertised

Rufus1

July 14th, 2012
1:19 am

Teague… The next Tony Parker..

That is what I think the Ferry has in mind.

Buddy Grizzard

July 14th, 2012
1:20 am

Steve Luhm: Not to rain on Nets’ parade, but 2 guys comprising “best backcourt in the East” has been to one conference final in 18 combined seasons. about 16 minutes ago

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz20ZTyriMA

Casey: Google is your friend. Childress was traded by Sund to the Suns for a conditional future second round draft pick. They subsequently gave him a massive contract and he is the Suns primary amnesty candidate. He’s terrible. Has the worst looking shot since Stacey Augmon. Actually Tony Wroten may have him beat there.

vava74

July 14th, 2012
2:01 am

Big Ray
July 14th, 2012
12:17 am
Co-sign

Hoops

July 14th, 2012
2:13 am

Two trades for Ferry to ponder:

1. Three way trade with the Magic and Lakers-Lakers get D12, Hawks get Bynum, and Magic get Horford and cap space. The Magic will require draft picks and at least one bad contact sent to the Hawks.

2. If the 1st trade can not be made-Hawks get Iggy and a 1st round pick while the 76er’s get Josh and Farmar. This trade will have to wait until September so Farmar can be traded with another player.

Trade #1 gives you this line up-
PG-Teague/Harris
SG-Williams/Jenkins/Morrow
SF-Barnes/Korver/Stevenson
PF-Josh/I.Johnson/Williams
C-Bynum/Zaza/Petro/Benson

Trade #2 gives you this line up-
PG- Teague/Harris
SG-Williams/Jenkins/Morrow
SF-Iggy/Barnes/Korver/Stevenson
PF-Horford/I. Johnson/Williams
C-Zaza/Benson/Petro

Either way, the Hawks are improved over last year!!! Trade #1 could be EC Champions! Keep up the good work Danny Ferry!!!

vava74

July 14th, 2012
2:22 am

Where are the dumb @ss bloggers which were making fun of marshon brooks first summer league stat line?

The guy can flat out ball and it’s a shame that we did not get him on the JJ deal.

vava74

July 14th, 2012
2:40 am

Nonetheless, I think that Jenkins will shut up a lot of critics.

His best plays yesterday were:

Breakaway dunk drawing a foul – he is not tremendously athletic but he is not a softy that goes for the layup and get blocked. He knew that he would draw contact and made sure that he put the rock in the hoop.

Alley hoop pass to Benson on a break away – terrific vision and execution. Unselfish and intelligent.

Alley hoop lay up off the inbounds pass – he sealed his defender under the rim with a left arm nudge and managed to tip in a kind of lay up. That’s nba level craftiness in display.

northcyde

July 14th, 2012
2:43 am

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
10:46 pm

I am very disappointed by Joe Johnson’s comments today. For him to treat his time in Atlanta as a non-event was unclassy. Fans need to boo him out of Philips next year. Section 303 can lead the booing.

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LMAO @ Rev. Are you kidding me?

What was he supposed to say in front of a Brooklyn Nets crowd? That he misses the team so much that traded him for 3 smushed roaches and 2 dead flies? He simply said what dang near every player has said when traded to another team.

Did JJ get this kind of reception when he came to ATL?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5oGqfiCo4M

But people want JJ to show some remorse or give praise to the Hawks, despite them simply dumping him and giving up on him? Really? He’s not supposed to be “excited”?

- He goes from a lukewarm at best basketball town, to the “media center of the world” with rabid fans ready to cheer on their new team to the fullest

- He gets to play beside a future Hall of Fame PG . . arguably the best player he’s ever played with ( and yes that includes Steve Nash ).

- He gets to play for a coach that has won an NBA title as a player and coached a team to the NBA Finals

- Because he’s playing in the “media center of the world”, he’ll now get the exposure that sometimes alluded him in ATL.

- He has a rap ICON as an owner, who will probably make sure he and Deron stay in the media limelight . . especially if they show that they’re a good team right out the gate.

- He instantly gets to play in a huge rivalry game vs the Knicks, which will be hyped beyond belief if both teams are playoff caliber.

- He gets to play in a brand spanking new arena that will be the talk of everything when it is finally completed.

But he’s supposed to just keep all of that “excitement” to himself, and act like his time in ATL was so precious to him? He himself said in that print interview that he thought that the Hawks were “on the rise”. He, like a lot of people, will probably say that if Horford was healthy the entire year, the season and playoffs may have been different.

It’s water under the bridge now though.

He’s in Brooklyn . . and we’re Golden State East.

vava74

July 14th, 2012
2:45 am

On Korver,

Don’t particularly like the signing but as Najeh pointed out, if he is supposed to fill in V-Rad’s role, that’s obviously a major upgrade for us since he is a consistent shooter who disappears less than V-Rad who only got us one single good game (after eating Armenian food at Zaza’s – a clear indication o his staple “effort issues”).

northcyde

July 14th, 2012
2:51 am

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
9:06 am

When Jenkins hits 5 threes in a row during Summer League, people will be ooo’in and ahhh’in about him.

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My bad . . . when he hits 4 threes in a row. He missed his last 3 pointer, and people are still ooh’in and ahh’in about him. Told you that this dude was a legitimate shooter.

northcyde

July 14th, 2012
2:54 am

I agree with Najeh and Vava. If Korver is the “new Vlad”, then I’ll take Korver every time. It’s just that Korver’s “skill of shooting” simply isn’t needed on a team that already has Jenkins and Morrow.

I be dang if Ferry is doing the exact opposite that I wanted him to do. And that is to give Drew a lot of offensive options to go to. I could see Drew giving Jenkins 14 minutes in a game in which he scores 9 points. Then decided to give him a DNP the next game, because he wants to give Korver some playing time.

northcyde

July 14th, 2012
3:34 am

O’Brien

July 14th, 2012
12:05 am

Did you guys see JJ in his NY Yankees cap, throwing out the first pitch at Yankee stadium? Marketing at work.

I’m curious. Did JJ ever throw out the first pitch for a Braves game, in his many years here?

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Has ANY HAWK ever thrown out the first pitch for a Braves game?

That would be a good trivia question.

The ASG definitely fails when it comes to marketing this team. With JJ gone, maybe Smith or Horford ( or both of them ) will become the “face of the franchise”. The marketing is terrible though, no doubt about that.

Compared to Broooklyn’s media marketing, the Hawks look like a hand-written sign on a piece of cardboard, compared to Brooklyn’s electronic signage in Times Square.

It’s going to be sickening watching JJ and Deron work next season, knowing that we very well could’ve been watching those two right here for the past 6 years in a Hawks uniform

northcyde

July 14th, 2012
3:35 am

Whatever

July 14th, 2012
3:43 am

Hey Baller13, you want to explain to me how the Magic are going to use an amnesty when they already used it on Arenas?

northcyde

July 14th, 2012
4:07 am

And it doesn’t help any that the guy that we should’ve gotten in the JJ trade ( Marshon Brooks ) went completely off today in summer league, scoring 34 points.

I would much rather have Marshon than Lou Williams. And all of you will to, come December, when the fan base turns on Lou for shooting 39% FG.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2012
4:29 am

“I’m curious. Did JJ ever throw out the first pitch for a Braves game, in his many years here?”

The DASG isn’t exactly a bunch of marketing geniuses, but I do remember seeing a pic a few years ago of Joe and Bobby Cox in the dugout together. No idea whether any first pitches were thrown though.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2012
4:30 am

Here is the pic I am talking about.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/hawks/joe_051706_1.jpg

Hopefully Joe hasn’t thrown out that Rocawear shirt, it might come in handy with his new owners.

A-Ville Ranger

July 14th, 2012
4:33 am

It took awhile for me to see the trade of JoeJohnson was about dumping a contract, not about freeing up money. This is never going to be a top franchise unless an owner like Cuban buys it. The bottom line will never be strong enough to pay the contracts needed to win titles.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2012
4:34 am

“I would much rather have Marshon than Lou Williams. And all of you will to, come December, when the fan base turns on Lou for shooting 39% FG.”

Brooks TS% and eFG% last year: 50.2%, 46.5%
Williams TS% and eFG% last year: 52.5%, 46.0%
Williams TS% and eFG% for his career: 53.2%, 46.6%

I don’t see the big difference. Brooks shoots more efficiently but Williams gets to the line three times as often and has an assist/turnover ratio three times as good. Brooks may be a better long-term asset because he is younger, cheaper, and the right size for his position, but Williams seems to me like the better player right now.

northcyde

July 14th, 2012
5:00 am

Najeh . . what is going to make Brooks a better player, is the fact that he doesn’t fall in love with that 3 point shot like Lou has a tendency to do. He’s already better than Kemba Walker as a player, with his ability to make tough shots. He has a chance to be really, really good.

Avery will throw a “small ball” look at times that may look like this:

PG – Deron
G – Marshon
F – JJ
PF – Wallace
C – Reggie Evans

That squad will not only be able to score, but they can defend AND rebound if need be. Having JJ and Deron on the court beside him, is going to make that kid dangerous. Maybe even James Harden-like in a few years.

Ferry should’ve held his ground and got that kid in a Hawks uniform.

High-sider

July 14th, 2012
6:36 am

^Correction: “…This [the above post] is coming from a guy [Buddy Grizzard] who continuously hates on Jamal Crawford but [he can't]* stop drooling as soon as the Hawks, under Ferry’s orders, acquired Jamal Crawford 2.0 [Lou Williams]…”

Ra'mon

July 14th, 2012
6:42 am

Guys, this may end up being one of the better TEAMS the Hawks have had in some years. With this roster, it will be hard to collapse on Teague or Josh when they drive the lanes, because there will be shooters all around. And if Harris is at the 2 guard, there will be no way that the opposing 2 guard can stay in front of Harris. Harris is still faster today than Bibby was at any time in a Hawk’s uniform. I think this team will have less scoring droughts than previous seasons. Now there will be many times when the Hawks can’t get stops. But then, the Hawks will have the option to go with Stephenson if needed.

Devin Harris Highlights of this past season – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFdSMJ1RPGg . When did we see Bibby do any of these things in Atlanta?

n-trigue

July 14th, 2012
7:09 am

Our new SF of the future Paul Carter kid has game he has way better all around gm then Marvin. He can drive and finish at the rim, good jump shot, can play pick and roll, and can catch and shoot off screens and akways play good defense. The only reason he was not drafted in last yrs draft because he transfered from Min Gophers to small school in Chi his last yr due to his sister having cancer. Hopefuly Ferry keeps him he could start right now and were definitely a lot better than lst yr.

High-sider

July 14th, 2012
7:09 am

“…“There are a lot of good backcourts, but I don’t think there are backcourts that can do that. You’ve got two guys that can get you 18, 20 every night…”" – doc @11:07pm [quoting Nets GM Billy King] dated 7/13/2012

The Hawks had a backcourt duo that was getting the team “18, 20 every night.” That backcourt consisted of Joe Johnson and Jamal Crawford during the 2009-2010 regular season but LD had to “muck it up” by implementing his [in]famous “motion offense.” [smh]

FWIW [For what it's worth], I think a backcourt of Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings can average 18+ppg to 20+ppg apiece. I’ll also add Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili – that is, if Ginobili is inserted into the starting lineup. Maybe, Russell Westbrook and James Harden, if Harden is also inserted into the starting lineup.

2009-2010 NBA Regular Season

Joe Johnson – 21.3ppg
Jamal Crawford – 18.0ppg

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/2010.html

Just Joe

July 14th, 2012
7:38 am

Hoping the Korver deal is a S&T for Hinrich. I’d rather keep the TPE in tact. I’m not sure how Hinrich’s $3M and Korver’s $5M match up under league rules though.

Wabe

July 14th, 2012
7:43 am

Happy with what I saw out of Jenkins yesteray. But, I won’t let one game get me saying that dude’s the real deal. I think he definitely looks like a players, but, there have been plenty of guys that tear it up in Summer League and then don’t look nearly as good when the actual season begins.

Cautiously optimistic.

sam'l

July 14th, 2012
7:51 am

(Sigh) Joe cost too much;…..so he had to go. Joe was also an excellent ballplayer with a great shot who knew how to score. Now he locked into a team that really wants his telent and will know how to make the pieces work…….

OBVIOUSLY, the Hawks are going to be affected by this loss and we haven’t replaced him.

Counter to this, San Antonio took marginal players and trained them in a system where they could make significant contributions and play with confidence. The key here was understanding potential and actually HAVING A SYSTEM. If Ferry brings this to the Hawks, it’s a giant plus.

These are the factors. We don’t know how they are going to work out. Hopefully, they won’t work out with Josh Smith taking jump shots from 25 feet when we’re down one point with 15 seconds left n the game. Hopefully, Josh will continue to be the productive baller he REALLY IS and we’ll work someone free to take that last shot.

Whatever

July 14th, 2012
8:10 am

high-slider is [obnoxious] as **** and should [go] **** himself.

H4L

July 14th, 2012
8:19 am

Next year is when our window starts to open up.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 14th, 2012
8:31 am

Not Worth Much!

“FWIW [For what it's worth], I think a backcourt of Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings can average 18+ppg to 20+ppg apiece.”
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Not worth much without size & perimeter defense.

Just Joe

July 14th, 2012
8:33 am

Teague, Harris, Williams, Jenkins, Morrow, Stevenson, Korver, Smith, Horford, Pachulia, Petro, Williams. That’s 12. If Ivan accepts his QO, that’s 13.

Last two spots:

Mike Scott?
Keith Benson?
Free agent SF?

RootsRockRaggee

July 14th, 2012
8:52 am

NBA Trade Rumors: Dwight Howard Would Make Atlanta Hawks Instant Title Contender
By
Stephen Babb
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The Atlanta Hawks have become a forgotten factor in the many scenarios that would remove Dwight Howard from the organization that drafted him in 2004.

The disaffected franchise player still doesn’t want to play for the Orlando Magic, but his final destination isn’t much clearer today than it was before the trade deadline. With talks between the Magic and Brooklyn Nets stalled and perhaps, over for good, the stage is set for other suitors to enter the fray and make their bids.

Much of the attention has focused on the Houston Rockets’ ability to send Orlando a bevy of attractive assets and the possibility of the Los Angeles Lakers capitalizing on a three-team deal.

Don’t count the Hawks out just yet, though.

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According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution’s Michael Cunningham, the Hawks have quietly talked to the Magic amidst all the more highly publicized negotiations:

The Hawks have engaged the Magic in trade talks involving Howard, according to a person with knowledge of the discussions. That person did not want to be identified because the teams involved have not discussed the negotiations publicly.

Atlanta could offer some combination of center Al Horford, point guard Jeff Teague and the usual combination of cap relief and draft picks.

Theoretically, Josh Smith would be available too, but his friendship with Howard makes him one of the more attractive reasons for the big man to stick around. Chances are he won’t be going anywhere.

That means at the very least, Atlanta would have arguably the most athletic and defensively potent frontline in the league.

Hi-res-136526699_crop_650×440 Could Jeff Teague be included in a deal for Dwight Howard?
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Additionally, the acquisition of Devin Harris means Atlanta could part with either Harris or Teague while retaining at least one solid point guard.

Howard’s supporting cast wouldn’t be amazing, but it may be good enough to make some serious noise in the postseason. Whatever role players remained like Anthony Morrow and Ivan Johnson would be helpful, and the Hawks would find other avenues to add talent.

They could absorb players like Jason Richardson and Glen Davis to spare Orlando the cap burden, or they could use their own cap space to sign some help for Howard.

The first season together might not be immaculate, but the organization would be well-positioned to compete immediately and improve quickly thereafter.

Sure, we haven’t heard much about the Hawks snagging Dwight just yet, but maybe we should have.

RootsRockRaggee

July 14th, 2012
8:55 am

NATIVE SON

July 14th, 2012
9:03 am

WHY!!!!!!!!!

Barry Sanders

July 14th, 2012
9:04 am

All that Talk about Grandad, Sundusky ,is just that …talk. Sundusky is in prison. People make statements without any evidence. Grandad is not in prison.

Make sure your facts are straight as to who did what. Id like to be on record saying I don’t believe that grandad was involved in the activities. Any one who is saying otherwise has an obligation to bring that evidence forward.

I also think the investigation is ongoing.

The Plan

July 14th, 2012
9:16 am

We keep LD as coach and all the expiring contracts, we miss the playoffs( so what, who wants one playoff victory and a quick exit) then for ‘13, we fire LD, grab a lottery pick, and hire some quality free agents.

dap01

July 14th, 2012
9:27 am

If MC reported that the Hawks had signed Lebron James, some people on this blog would still mention Jamal Crawford. Move on with your lives, Jamal is gone.

Sheriff Dayton

July 14th, 2012
9:31 am

Please get D12 and Josh together.

JACK HOPH

July 14th, 2012
9:34 am

Iyhtwotwp,twui(If you have to write out the whole phrase, then why use initials.)

bigdave

July 14th, 2012
9:34 am

this did trip me out though…

@FredKerber
Whats Joe Johnson say he bringing 2 #Nets
? “Experience, leadership, scoring, a winning mentality that become contagious & rubs off on guys”8:01pm - 13 Jul 12

Sheriff Dayton

July 14th, 2012
9:36 am

High-sider

July 14th, 2012
9:42 am

dap01

July 14th, 2012
9:27 am

If MC reported that the Hawks had signed Lebron James, some people on this blog would still mention Jamal Crawford. Move on with your lives, Jamal is gone.
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LOL

Rueben

July 14th, 2012
9:49 am

If you have to write out the whole phrase, then why use initials?

D(dumb)R(rude)MaryB(broad)

Thats why

High-sider

July 14th, 2012
9:59 am

@drmaryb.(”"_*).

drmaryb.(”"_*).
July 14th, 2012
8:31 am

Not Worth Much!

“FWIW [For what it's worth], I think a backcourt of Monta Ellis and Brandon Jennings can average 18+ppg to 20+ppg apiece.”
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Not worth much without size & perimeter defense.
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2011-2012 NBA Regular Season

Steals per game [spg]:

Brandon Jennings – 1.58spg [12th in NBA]
Monta Ellis – 1.47spg [14th in NBA]

How’s that for ball-hawking, perimeter defense?

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Steals.jsp?league=00&season=22011&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

High-sider

July 14th, 2012
10:02 am

@Whatever

Whatever
July 14th, 2012
8:10 am

high-slider is [obnoxious] as **** and should [go] **** himself.
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Whatever.

BIG MAN"

July 14th, 2012
10:03 am

We neeeeeeed a BIG MAN”

BIG MAN"

July 14th, 2012
10:07 am

BIG MAN coach” PLEASE”

Rueben

July 14th, 2012
10:11 am

“Teague… The next Tony Parker.” LMAO

Rather

“Teague, the next Rumeal Robinson”

Where have you gone mr. robinson, our blog turns its loney eyes to you…you. you… you…

Al joking aside. Teague Just need about four more years…(no pun Obama), go back and finish school so he can learn to think Teague, like Al’s biggest problem is between their ears. No Brains.

Just Joe

July 14th, 2012
10:15 am

Unless there’s a Dwight trade, these nine are locks: Teague, Harris, Williams, Jenkins, Morrow, Korver, Smith, Horford, and Pachulia. The 12-man roster would need two more bigs and a guy that can defend the wing.

Who ya got?

Other guys taking up roster spots: Stevenson, Williams, and Petro. You need 3 active players above. You dressing one of these guys, or are you cutting at least one so that you can go out and sign for those last 3 spots?

Jimmy Crack

July 14th, 2012
10:24 am

Good add to the second team. The guy can bang threes from way out with the clock running down. Kyle should probably rent though as he will probably be bubbble wrap in a package deal next year for Paul or Howard.

Barry Sanders

July 14th, 2012
10:40 am

Al is the starting center
Josh is the starting power forward
??
??
Devin Harris

Rueben

July 14th, 2012
10:44 am

Zaza is pushing Al hard for the Starting Center position. thats why al is looking for another position to play and may be requesting a trade. It makes sense. Josh is a top 5 power forward and Zaza does what Al does for less and will fight, unlike Al.

Jason S

July 14th, 2012
11:02 am

Korver doesn’t sound too excited to be coming to ATL.

“It’s a bit of a bummer for sure,” Korver told ESPN 1000’s “Chicago’s GameNight” on Friday. “I love Chicago. I loved putting on a Bulls uniform. & What do you do? We learned this is a business and teams are going to make business decisions. & I’m gonna go to Atlanta and try and go out there and play well.”

I can understand it being “a bit of a bummer” leaving a team that you enjoyed playing for, but the part that bothers is me is that he is “gonna go to Atlanta and try and go out there and play well.” Doesn’t sound too confident to me. Doesn’t say he is going to give it all he has to help the Hawks win.

Barry Sanders

July 14th, 2012
11:04 am

Yea, its going be a lot of drama this year in the front court.

northcyde

July 14th, 2012
11:22 am

@ Jason S . . . you simply have to accept the fact that a lot of guys around the league do NOT see ATL as a premier destination to play. No need to get “bothered” by the fact that guys aren’t overjoyed to come here, as opposed to other places. You have to consider the team Korver came from.

Just Joe

July 14th, 2012
11:27 am

Chicago’s other option was to cut Korver before tomorrow. They were only on the hook for 500k. Korver could have then chosen his next team. Being traded to a re-tooling team that’s already full of shooters obviously would not be his first choice.

Double Zero Eight

July 14th, 2012
11:33 am

Too many bench players and no
superstar = no Eastern Conference
Finals appearance or championship.

duronimo

July 14th, 2012
11:36 am

doesn’t that make 6 guards on this team?

Ray

July 14th, 2012
11:55 am

The Free Agency isn’t over yet be patience.

Not only that Season hasn’t begun so we don’t know exactly what we have going here to be completely honest.

MDubTheWiz

July 14th, 2012
12:07 pm

Why are we signing all these average guards?

i_am_soulstar

July 14th, 2012
12:33 pm

Kyle Korver 6′7, and is a SF. I don’t understand the gripes besides him being a less-than-adequate defender.

He’ll do well off the bench I think. I don’t most players are immediately happy when they get traded unless they’ve requested it, or they get shipped to a contender.

dap01

July 14th, 2012
12:37 pm

I have confidence that Ferry has a plan and he is due the benefit of the doubt but, we are obtaining offensive and no defensive types. The team as constructed needs a defensive and long presence at Guard, forward and center.

i_am_soulstar

July 14th, 2012
12:49 pm

John Jenkins is no. 7 on NBA.com’s rookie ladder

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Buddy Grizzard

July 14th, 2012
1:01 pm

“Unless there’s a Dwight trade, these nine are locks: Teague, Harris, Williams, Jenkins, Morrow, Korver, Smith, Horford, and Pachulia. The 12-man roster would need two more bigs and a guy that can defend the wing.

Who ya got?

Other guys taking up roster spots: Stevenson, Williams, and Petro. You need 3 active players above. You dressing one of these guys, or are you cutting at least one so that you can go out and sign for those last 3 spots?”

I don’t understand why you don’t have Stevenson as a lock for a roster spot since the Hawks specifically negotiated a multi-year contract above the veteran’s minimum to ensure that he came in the trade. They’re not going to eat Petro’s salary and not keep him on the Roster. And you haven’t mentioned Ivan.

“Told you that this dude was a legitimate shooter.” – northcyde

We know he’s a legitimate shooter. The question is can he get his shot off or defend his position at the NBA level. I’m encouraged by what I see so far, but as others have said, it’s just summer league.

“Maybe even James Harden-like in a few years.”

I heard Brooks was being dangled as trade bait even after the Dwight trade fell through. Sounds like you have more optimism for Brooks’ future than the Nets organization does. Lou Williams is in direct competition with Harden for 6th man of the year honors. Brooks has a long way to go to ever get in that conversation.

Buddy Grizzard

July 14th, 2012
1:05 pm

“Kyle Korver 6′7, and is a SF. I don’t understand the gripes besides him being a less-than-adequate defender.”

Um… wow… cause defense isn’t important right? It’s also a bummer that Korver can be completely shut down by a 6-1 point guard, i.e. Teague. I hope after Korver’s comments that Ferry backs out of that trade, unless he’s using him as part of another trade. It would be a bummer to waste a roster spot on a guy whose shooting ability and lack of defense replicates several players already on the roster.

H4L

July 14th, 2012
1:16 pm

As it stands right now, there is no free agent available that would make the Hawks championship contenders. Howard is an option but he is not a free agent, and its not like the Hawks have engaged in talks to get his services. Ferry has sacrifice the short term for the long term and I find it hard to disagree with his decisions. Its not like the team we had was going to win it all or there was an abundance of talent just waiting to join the hawks. Hopefully we get a high draft pick that yields a superstar and can sign some worthwhile name in next year’s free agent frenzy. Until then, preparing for a long year of growing pains.

Ray

July 14th, 2012
1:24 pm

He’s probably going to use Korver as part of a bigger trade most likely. I like the theory someone else used trying to cut off Houston into making the trade their proposing.

Ray

July 14th, 2012
1:27 pm

@ H4L

If that is the case I can deal with short term pains if the future is brighter. Who knows we might not lose Smith, and quite honestly I think Ferry is doing this because he knows Magic might not be able to trade Howard, and Houston’s offering don’t look all that appealing to them most likely.

Just Joe

July 14th, 2012
1:31 pm

Buddy…Stevenson wasn’t wanted by the Hawks. He was forced on them. Hawks wanted Brooks. The 3-yr deal is the minimum allowed in any S&T deal. Only the first year is guaranteed. It’s basically a one-year deal. It could just as easily have been Shelden Williams or Damion James. Stevenson’s salary was slotted so as to create the largest exception for the Hawks while keeping the Nets between the two caps, and of course providing Stevenson with acceptable compensation. I haven’t heard Ferry mention his name once. I can’t assume he has an active roster spot as of now.

steven a smith

July 14th, 2012
1:32 pm

High-sider

July 14th, 2012
10:02 am

@Whatever

Whatever
July 14th, 2012
8:10 am

High-sider, Low-sider , whatever his name is, he is obnoxious, odius, and objectionable. High-scrub knows very “little” about Basketball!!

Just Joe

July 14th, 2012
1:34 pm

Buddy…Ivan is not under contract. We can’t assume he’ll sign. I think you were the one that said he’s a better player than Kendrick Perkins. No telling what his next deal will look like. I’m optimistic that the qualifying offer gets done, but who knows?

steven a smith

July 14th, 2012
1:38 pm

Hawks Agree To Trade For Korver
Jul 13, 2012 3:17 PM EDT

The Bulls and Hawks have agreed to a trade to send Kyle Korver to Atlanta.

The deal could be structured as a sign-and-trade involving Kirk Hinrich.

Via K.C. Johnson/Chicago Tribune (via Twitter)

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/222305/Hawks_Agree_To_Trade_For_Korver#ixzz20cTjrkpm

Korver should be introduced to the Atlanta Hawks fans/media Monday..

Just Joe

July 14th, 2012
1:47 pm

Ferry operates on the down low. We still don’t know how many years Lou Williams got, and hadno idea that signing was about to happen. There were no rumors before Marvin got traded. There’s only speculation as to how the Korver deal is structured.

steven a smith

July 14th, 2012
1:54 pm

Rueben

July 14th, 2012
10:44 am

Zaza is pushing Al hard for the Starting Center position. thats why al is looking for another position to play and may be requesting a trade. It makes sense. Josh is a top 5 power forward and Zaza does what Al does for less and will fight, unlike Al.

Pretty solid anaylsis from a Georgia Blogger. Two thumbs up for this guy!

Buddy Grizzard

July 14th, 2012
2:01 pm

Yep I’m very curious to see what happens to Ivan as well. And yes that was me on Hoopinion who said Ivan was already a better NBA center than Perkins. I was expecting people to call me an idiot for that but I haven’t had a single dissenting opinion. Perkins is pretty bad.

O'Brien

July 14th, 2012
2:21 pm

Hoops,

I like your 3 team trade idea, especially if we can convince Bynum to sign a long term extension.

Hawks get: Bynum, and Turk
Lakers get: Howard
Magic get: Horford, Devin Harris, Zaza and 3 first round picks (2 in 2013, 1 in 2015).

Would Orlando take that though?

That being said, I would be very concerned about signing Bynum to a max extension when since he has been in the league, he has played in ~53% of the Lakers games, because he is always hurt.

But if we get Bynum, resign Josh, and hang on to Teague, we would still have enough money for one more high level FA (assuming we buy Turk out next year).

i_am_soulstar

July 14th, 2012
2:22 pm

Buddy,

I was saying that I do understand the gripes about defense.

ag

July 14th, 2012
2:23 pm

Watched the game. JJ looks good. I was really impressed with Henson and hopes he battles not only a spot – but a role on this team. He has a nice soft jumper. Scott also has a nice jumper, but did not look like a banger. Pape Sy played little and gave you absoulutly nothing. I would think he would have played well since he has been there before. Don’t even think he took a shot. When is the next game?

High-sider

July 14th, 2012
2:55 pm

@steven a smith

steven a smith
July 14th, 2012
1:32 pm

High-sider
July 14th, 2012
10:02 am

@Whatever

Whatever
July 14th, 2012
8:10 am

High-sider, Low-sider , whatever his name is, he is obnoxious, odius, and objectionable. High-scrub knows very “little” about Basketball!!
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This is coming from a guy who uses the handle/screen name of a journalist/TV personality who’s overwhelmingly “obnoxious, ‘odious’ and objectionable” while being the biggest “flip-flopper” of all “flip-floppers.”

Get some originality about yourself.

Learn how to spell or at least get “spell checker.” Why would you use three words [obnoxious, 'odious' and objectionable] to describe someone or something that essentially have the same meaning and are basically synonyms of one another? Let me refer you to the “Department of Redundancy Department.” Get it? You probably don’t [smh]. I used those words [obnoxious, odious and objectionable] to mock and describe you and your handle/screen name. Dude, you’re a corny, pseudo-intellectual. Sit down, clown.

News Indeed

July 14th, 2012
2:56 pm

“This is not going to come as welcome news to Daryl Morey and the Houston Rockets, but there is a report out there today from an Orlando TV station that Dwight Howard is very close to being traded to the Los Angeles Lakers.”

“David Pingalore of WKMG-TV in Orlando uses some pretty strong language in his report.”

“This past week has been nothing but multiple smoke screens concerning the Dwight Howard drama. According to Pingalore’s sources, this week is all about getting Dwight Howard to Los Angeles and on the Lakers roster. Sources close to the situation believe the “The Lakers will be the end game for the Magic center”.

More from Pingalore’s report: “Many of the stories about Howard have come from Howard’s camp and not from front office people. It is widely believed with front office people that the end game for Howard is the Lakers. That point was stressed over and over to Pingalore. The sources went as far to say “follow the money,” adding “The Lakers are a big market team that needs a player as global as Dwight Howard. Pingalore’s sources believe that this deal is in place and is set for announcement in the short term. Pingalore reported Thursday night the Houston Rockets were in play but the situation remains fluid and is changing at the moment and it’s about keeping people off base. The sources say Friday night this still is all but done. ”Some crossing of T’s and dotting of I’s is only left”.
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Not going to be welcome news on this blog either. :-(

Buddy Grizzard

July 14th, 2012
3:01 pm

I_am_soulstar my bad… reading is fundamental.

ag

July 14th, 2012
3:37 pm

I think it will be alright. No Dwight in EC. Al looked like garbage the other night. Very disappointed.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 14th, 2012
3:40 pm

High-Sider!

“2011-2012 NBA Regular Season

Steals per game [spg]:

Brandon Jennings – 1.58spg [12th in NBA]
Monta Ellis – 1.47spg [14th in NBA]

How’s that for ball-hawking, perimeter defense?”
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I see you conveniently left out my main ingredient: SIZE? Steal per game is an arbitrary stat in my opinion, unless it leads to points. But, I like your argument being, somewhat supported. Compared to the whole package Joe Johnson brings, these little guards are flea-flickers. Joe could not be guarded effectively when, he imposed his will both outside and inside the paint. He will be missed and, almost impossible to replace with one player, here in Atlanta.

The playoffs will be very difficult for us without a comparable Robin or bona-fide Super-Star.

Mike

July 14th, 2012
3:41 pm

@News indeed,

It was debunked a couple of days ago, Ping isnt accurate about stuff like that

Mike

July 14th, 2012
3:42 pm

besides there is a reason why Korver deal isnt official yet, besides the phyisical ofcourse

Jimmy Crack

July 14th, 2012
3:44 pm

News indeed, Rotoworld doesn’t like your source…

“The source of the story is “Local 6 Sports Director” David Pingalore, who has a long and sordid history of supposed ’scoops’ which proved untrue. The story lacks credible details about a deal and fails to address the many hurdles between such a trade, including the Lakers’ lack of draft picks, Orlando’s concern about Andrew Bynum’s knees, and the fact that Bynum probably wouldn’t extend with the Magic. Don’t give this rumor too much thought.”

I guess we shall see.

Big Al

July 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

Hoops,
Why would the Hawks want to give up Horford and Zaza, all those picks, take back a bad contract AND not get Dwight?! Makes no sense. Horford and Zaza are solid players on good contracts. I realize they don’t have the talent of Dwight, but I don’t think the talent disparity between them and Bynum is great enough to justify adding picks and absorbing a bad contract. I’m not even sure I would give up all of that for Dwight without any assurance of a long term deal. IMO, the team is better off heading into 2013 free agency with a clean slate. Both Dwight and Bynum have some serious character flaws. These flaws may be excusable for D12, but I would still be hesitant to give up two quality centers, multiple picks, and pick up the bad contract. And it just seems like a no brainier to turn down that deal for Bynum. Has he ever played a full yr without getting hurt ( or without a player of Koby Brant’s caliber)? Clearly not.

Now, the deal would a wet dream for the Lakers, who would get D12 without any bad contracts. But I don’t see why the Hawks would want to help the Lakers become a championship team for chance to let Bynum be their prima dons for a year and then walk as soon as he could become a free agent. I think Al and Zaza are really good players. There is no reason to give them away at all. They should do everything they can to keep them, and add great players to the mix. It would be worth it to sacrifice them if they could get a superstar in return. But is Bynum really even close to being a superstar? I’d really love to hear more opinions from the hawks bloggers. Frankly I am a bit baffled by the suggestion. Heck – I think it would be amazing if the long term plan were to team Al and Josh with CP3. They make up a versatile front line and have been the cornerstone of a consistent playoff team for the last few years.

Very keen on seeing what moves Ferry has in store for the Hawks. (Just hoping it isn’t to bet the house on Bynum…)

Big Al

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

Azz Hat!

R U E B E N … I didn’t write it out … because IT WAS A QUOTE & not mine. No go FCK yourself … IF you wanna’ see rude? Whoop … there it is.

next, fool … puh-lease!!!
______________

Looks like we’re not gonna get D12, unless he refuses to sign an extension in LA. The rich always seem to get richer – heh?

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 14th, 2012
3:51 pm

* Now, go …

News Indeed

July 14th, 2012
3:52 pm

Here you go Mike, check it out for yourself. The published date on this story was 11:33 pm last night, so I don’t see how that could have been debunked a couple of days ago. He may be full of it, but it’s still “news indeed”, until I see it debunked.

http://www.clickorlando.com/sports/Sources-Howard-will-end-up-with-Lakers/-/1636890/15515918/-/dsasas/-/index.html?%20utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

PEDRO EL GITANO

July 14th, 2012
3:56 pm

Chicos,este es nuestro verano del amor!!No sé cómo quedará la plantilla final,pero tenemos a algunos de los mejores tiradores del mundo.Korver es buen fichaje,pero de lo que quiero hablaros es de lo que ví ayer en la summer league:Jenkins es un jugador muy especial,les advierto que puede ser un cañonero de época.Me gustó Benson,Scott y Wannamaker,veremos si se quedan el equipo.Carter y Hazzell tuvieron detalles.GO HAWKS!!!

TMACfan

July 14th, 2012
4:29 pm

Tony Wroten

8pts 2reb 2asts. 1st Quarter

I wanted the Hawks to get this guy.

GT Alum

July 14th, 2012
4:46 pm

News Indeed -

The fact is this guy’s been wrong so often he has about as much credibility as any of the commenters on here.

random

July 14th, 2012
4:54 pm

Tmac look at his t/o and his plus/minus b4 you wish that and john jenkins is ranked #7 so far outta the rookie class on nba.com

Whats up with Preachers today?

July 14th, 2012
4:56 pm

The Rev drmaryb.(”"_*). in action.

“No go FCK yourself … “

Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2012
5:01 pm

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
The Lakers, Magic and Cavaliers have discussed a three-team deal that would send Dwight Howard to Los Angeles, according to sources.
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Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2012
5:02 pm

News Indeed -

The fact is this guy’s been wrong so often he has about as much credibility as any of the commenters on here.

I really dont appreciate you guys talking about me. There was an occasion where I was right. How many times I was wrong is insignificant

You anal minded moron…. play teague.

Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:06 pm

Much of the attention has focused on the Houston Rockets’ ability to send Orlando a bevy of attractive assets and the possibility of the Los Angeles Lakers capitalizing on a three-team deal.

Don’t count the Hawks out just yet, though.

Hi-res-142039476_crop_650×440 Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images

According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution’s Michael Cunningham, the Hawks have quietly talked to the Magic amidst all the more highly publicized negotiations:

The Hawks have engaged the Magic in trade talks involving Howard, according to a person with knowledge of the discussions. That person did not want to be identified because the teams involved have not discussed the negotiations publicly.

Atlanta could offer some combination of center Al Horford, point guard Jeff Teague and the usual combination of cap relief and draft picks.

Theoretically, Josh Smith would be available too, but his friendship with Howard makes him one of the more attractive reasons for the big man to stick around. Chances are he won’t be going anywhere.

That means at the very least, Atlanta would have arguably the most athletic and defensively potent frontline in the league.

Hi-res-136526699_crop_650×440 Could Jeff Teague be included in a deal for Dwight Howard?
Streeter Lecka/Getty Images

Additionally, the acquisition of Devin Harris means Atlanta could part with either Harris or Teague while retaining at least one solid point guard.

Howard’s supporting cast wouldn’t be amazing, but it may be good enough to make some serious noise in the postseason. Whatever role players remained like Anthony Morrow and Ivan Johnson would be helpful, and the Hawks would find other avenues to add talent.

They could absorb players like Jason Richardson and Glen Davis to spare Orlando the cap burden, or they could use their own cap space to sign some help for Howard.

The first season together might not be immaculate, but the organization would be well-positioned to compete immediately and improve quickly thereafter.

Sure, we haven’t heard much about the Hawks snagging Dwight just yet, but maybe we should have. Dwight will probably end up in Atlanta

Walking Dead Fan

July 14th, 2012
5:06 pm

Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:10 pm

“-scrub knows very “little” about Basketball!!” that’s true @steven a smith. You may be the most unintelligent blogger in the history of blogging. Dude….

Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2012
5:16 pm

In other news, Joe Johnson baby mama drama for those who may be interested.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2012
5:17 pm

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Three-team deal may send Dwight Howard to Lakers, Andrew Bynum to Cavs and picks/prospects/cap relief to Magic. Still trying to get details.
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It’s hard to tell which team is the frontrunner to acquire Dwight Howard: Houston or Los Angeles. Orlando is weighing all of their options.
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Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:20 pm

NBA Trade Rumors 2012: Dwight Howard to Atlanta Hawks Still Possible?
Gather.com‎ – 2 minutes ago

TMACfan

July 14th, 2012
5:21 pm

I still think we should have drafted Wroten. Jenkins is a decent pick though.

Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:23 pm

With the NBA trade rumors of 2012, one would have to be living under a rock not to have heard about the speculation involving Orlando Magic star Dwight Howard. Among his suitors were originally the Brooklyn Nets, LA Lakers, Houston Rockets, and Atlanta Hawks. A new report is indicating that the Hawks are still a strong possibility for D-Howard to end up playing for.

Previous Dwight Howard rumors had the Brooklyn Nets as destination #1 for the big man. However, that has since fallen through leaving three other optimistic teams in the wake, all hoping that Orlando will budge on a trade deal, rather than trying to keep the big guy around. One such team that is still in the hunt are the Atlanta Hawks.

A report from Bleacher Report speculates that Atlanta’s best bet for a trade would involve using their center/power forward Al Horford, as the main piece. Horford was just recently seen battling against Team USA for Team Dominican Republic in the exhibition games for the upcoming summer Olympics. He’s an NBA All-Star and capable of improving any squad he ends up with. With that said, the BR article speculates a deal involving Al Horford, Jeff Teague and probably some cash, picks or other players is most likely.

The article also speculates that maybe bringing Howard to Atlanta would help attract other free agent stars to the team. One named in particular is Chris Paul. Right now, Paul is starring on the same court in Los Angeles with Blake Griffin, and it’s unknown exactly what sorts of moves the Clips will make to keep their top notch PG happy. Would he end up leaving Los Angeles? Certainly, especially if he left New Orleans in search of a championship.

However, this is all speculation right now, and the fate and team of Dwight Howard will be decided by the man himself along with agents and NBA team management. If and when the right deal happens, everyone can breathe a sigh of relief as the Dwight Howard soap opera has ended.

Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:26 pm

A new report is indicating that the Hawks are still a strong possibility for D-Howard to end up playing for.

A new report is indicating that the Hawks are still a strong possibility for D-Howard to end up playing for.

A new report is indicating that the Hawks are still a strong possibility for D-Howard to end up playing for.

A new report is indicating that the Hawks are still a strong possibility for D-Howard to end up playing for.

Donate Now

July 14th, 2012
5:32 pm

“Al looked like garbage the other night. Very disappointed.”

Al is only playing like that to prevent being traded. He knows hes on the trading block so he is doing what he can to discourage it.

Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:34 pm

BR article speculates a deal involving Al Horford, Jeff Teague and probably some cash, picks or other players is most likely. :)

Rufus1

July 14th, 2012
5:34 pm

Toney Wroten…. 16pts, 5rebs and 5ast…

But I am happy with Jenkins.

Jae Evolution

July 14th, 2012
5:35 pm

Trying to figure out that 3-way trade on trade machine can’t see who the Cavs give which would make this deal better than a Houston deal.

Barry Sanders

July 14th, 2012
5:42 pm

Im still not ready to pull the plug on Grandad. He seemed like a nice enough fellow. I know you are thinking well so did Sandusky.

I wont argue that. What I will ask, is can any of you prove that Grandad they were together at any event? I understand that Grandad was a coach also, but has there been complaints made/filed? Where is your proof? I tend to lean toward the benefit of the doubt. Grandad is not in prison. Sundusky is.

Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:51 pm

Hawks closely monitoring Howard trade talks. (Atlanta Journal-Constitution). Humphries to Charlotte? (Charlotte Observer).

Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:53 pm

NBA Trade Rumors: Dwight Howard Would Make Atlanta Hawks Instant Title Contender
Bleacher Report‎ – 17 hours ago

Rufus1

July 14th, 2012
5:56 pm

Wroten… 19pts, 8rbs and 6ast

Barry White

July 14th, 2012
5:59 pm

Dwight update: Not close to a trade with Rockets
July 13, 2012 · 10:29PM

Friday came and went, and just like all the other days that have passed since June 24, 2004, Dwight Howard was still a member of the Orlando Magic.

Despite the Houston Rockets using the amnesty provision to waive forward Luis Scola, there was no trade of Howard from Orlando to Houston, and sources briefed on the talks between the two sides said the teams weren’t nearly as close to a trade as many have speculated. That can change in an instant, of course, but late Friday, there was no deal.

Talks between the two sides are “not active,” one source said Friday.

“There’s nothing happening,” another source said.

TMACfan

July 14th, 2012
6:00 pm

I told you 3 years from now Wroten will be a star.

Jody

July 14th, 2012
6:06 pm

Bleacher report? C’mon now.

TMACfan

July 14th, 2012
6:07 pm

Wroten

19pts 8reb 6ast

24 minutes.

Cedric

July 14th, 2012
6:25 pm

I will have no hope in getting howard here. I do hope Ferry has a plan that includes getting rid of all these stiffs we have just signed though.

KevinM

July 14th, 2012
6:30 pm

I watched our new JJ today on the replay and he reminded me of a former Hawk who just had the ability to get points in the box score:
Lou Hudson.

JJ is so smooth on offense and doesn’t appear to be be overmatched at this point. He has a smooth stroke like I saw with Terrance Ross, and he looks like he is going to find his way into the rotation. I know its early, but since TMAC is fawning over Wroten, who we didnt’ have as big a need for (although impressive), I still like where we are with this version of JJ.

kwhawk

July 14th, 2012
6:33 pm

another overpaid stiff to add to a mediocre roster—great news!!! atl–they do it again!!!

Buddy Grizzard

July 14th, 2012
6:37 pm

Ezeli just erased a Kenneth Faried drive to the basket.

TMACfan

July 14th, 2012
6:47 pm

@KevinM

Haha man new JJ is good but he is showing why he is NBA ready. Don’t get me wrong I like him but I like upside better. That’s why I wish we got TW.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 14th, 2012
6:50 pm

First Choice!

My first choice in this past draft class was, Andrew Nicholson. He has unbelievable post moves, incredible foot work, a back to the basket “old skool” post up game, a face up game and incredible range from the mid-range, all the way out to the three point line.

He may even have more stuff than Durantula and, has a bigger body than Kevin. I have no idea why this true PF fell to number 23 on the draft board, but a lot of people must have been sleeping on this kid, obviously 21 teams did that. But, unfortunately for The Hawks, Andrew was taken one spot ahead of us by The Magic. The Magic – will NOT be disappointed in this NBA Ready kid.

The next best choice for us, obviously had to be John Jenkins with Joe being traded. If, we can sneak in here and get D12, none of what I said previously will amount to a hill of beans – imho.

Thanks for that Joe “Baby Mamma” Johnson -link, Najeh. A very good read for inquiring minds, like myself.

Slimjr

July 14th, 2012
6:52 pm

Sorry to hear Kyle is bummed out about coming to play for the Hawks..Kick rocks BUSTER!

Tony is putting up Magic types stats..Got to tune into NBATV pronto…

HawkKingBibby

July 14th, 2012
6:54 pm

So whats the deal is this trade done or what?

Slimjr

July 14th, 2012
6:57 pm

Yes drmaryb, this dude[Andrew Nicholson] has AllStar written all over his game..

These 21 teams will be sorry they passed on him including the Celtics and Houston!

Brilliant foot work and hand, eye coordination…A gift from up above…..

Buddy Grizzard

July 14th, 2012
7:06 pm

Wroten a true Summer Leage All-Star. You do realize in an NBA regulation game, they will just foul him in the fourth quarter. His shot is so broke he can’t even shoot free throws.

UGA

July 14th, 2012
7:22 pm

The Denver Nuggets have expressed interest in free agent Anthony Randolph. He’s here in Las Vegas sitting with Masai Ujiri and George Karl.

random

July 14th, 2012
7:26 pm

buddy funny thing is he made 7-8 ft thats the only reason he had so many points lol

KevinM

July 14th, 2012
8:08 pm

I gotta ask, how much is the new JJ gonna get paid to give up the jersey if D12 makes his way to the ATL? Will D12 whine and moan because he can’t have 12?

titleT

July 14th, 2012
8:18 pm

There about 4 teams in the nba with a legit chance to challenge for a title. Atl is not one of those teams. these meaningless trades do nothing–they will make the playoffs and go out in round 1, as usual. chump fans keep buying tickets at obscene prices thinking the team will be good.

Melvin

July 14th, 2012
9:49 pm

I hope the Rockets get stuck with Lin and Asik contract offers. Only server them right, since they ran the market price up for two non establish players…..

dap01

July 14th, 2012
9:49 pm

titleT: If the Hawks are so bad, why waste time on a Saturday night on a blog about the Hawks?

Melvin

July 14th, 2012
9:54 pm

Buddy,

Wroten was on 7-8FTs and 2-3 from 3pt line….lol

steven a smith

July 14th, 2012
10:35 pm

Greg Oden, if healthy, could very well be the steal of the offseason, outside of Brandon Roy. We should be able to get Oden Cheaper though…

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 14th, 2012
10:49 pm

KevinM

@8:08 PM … that sir would be a good problem to have. It wouldn’t be the first time a rook had to give it up! LOL! I sure hope your dilema comes to fruition.

Slim “juice” Jr.

Wassup baby boy? Ain’t that boy gone be the truth … the whole truth … and, nothin’ but … ? swear this franchise is cursed & D12 could change ALL that, with three pen strokes! Come on Dwight! Just DO it!

Just Joe

July 14th, 2012
10:58 pm

Why would Portland trade Ray Felton and Kurt Thomas to the Knicks for Jefferies and Gadzuric??? Knicks shouldn’t have any picks to offer. Knicks and Nets (just signed CJ Watson for minimum) are putting together some nice, expensive rosters.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 14th, 2012
11:04 pm

MIB!

So Korver don’t wanna’ play here? Package that fool! We don’t want none. He was probably fish food, anyway with that “Walking Dead” Men In Black … face.

Hey Korver! … BYE!

Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2012
11:45 pm

“I gotta ask, how much is the new JJ gonna get paid to give up the jersey if D12 makes his way to the ATL? Will D12 whine and moan because he can’t have 12?”

I would think Orlando would ask for Jenkins in a Dwight trade.

Jae Evolution

July 15th, 2012
12:13 am

When does Anthony Randolph figure he’ll play if he goes to Denver? Mozgov, McGee, Faried, Harrington. If he comes here he’s instantly the 3rd best big SKILL wise and can play 3-5 at anytime. I think he’ll come here.

Melvin

July 15th, 2012
12:17 am

Kupchak said he continues attempts to re-sign backup forward Jordan Hill and expects talks on a contract extension for center Andrew Bynum to intensify “sooner rather than later.” Assuming Bynum is still a member of the Lakers, that is.

http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2012/07/no-sense-of-urgency-for-lakers.html

Melvin

July 15th, 2012
12:18 am

Jae,

Agreed. Denver has a log jammed at the forward positions…

i_am_soulstar

July 15th, 2012
12:28 am

titleT

July 14th, 2012
8:18 pm

There about 4 teams in the nba with a legit chance to challenge for a title. Atl is not one of those teams. these meaningless trades do nothing–they will make the playoffs and go out in round 1, as usual. chump fans keep buying tickets at obscene prices thinking the team will be good.
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There are about 40 bloggers on this blog with a legit chance of being taken seriously. titleT is not one of those bloggers. These meaningless posts do nothing– he will spit weak arse troll venom and slide back under the bridge where good trolls hibernate. Chump blogger keep spitting weak words thinking someone will give a dumpelstiltskin.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2012
12:59 am

Jason Lloyd ‏@JasonLloydABJ
Nothing to these trade rumors involving ‪#Cavs‬, Lakers and Magic, league source confirms. No merit to them at all.
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That is a local newspaper guy so who knows how accurate his sources are.

Hoops

July 15th, 2012
1:00 am

I am like most of you Hawks fans on this blog, I would love to see the Hawks be able to trade for D12 as long as he agrees to sign an extension. My big concern is how his attitude/drama would affect the chemistry on the team. With all of the trades and new players that are going to make up the 2012-13 Hawks, team chemistry is a big question for the Hawks coaches, Hawks organization, and Hawk fans. As all of us know, the way a team works together, gets along with each other, and sacrifices for each other are huge questions for that have to be answered. There is no doubt that D12 is very gifted and has a ton of talent. I just question him putting the team before himself and putting his heart into winning a championship in Atlanta. I only want players that bleed Hawks Blood when we take the floor to begin the 2012-13 season.

Danny Ferry has been a great hire for the Hawks! I’m sure he has the same concerns that I have. He probably has at least two more trades to make before he is ready for his first season with the Hawks. With a couple more right moves, this is going to be a fun team to cheer for. The real fun will begin when we have the players to make a serious run at the title!

WHEN ARE THEY MOVING ?????

July 15th, 2012
1:17 am

WHEN IS THE MOVE TO SEATTLE BEING ANNOUNCED ?????

NO NEED TO STAY HERE FOR SURE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

soullrenaissance

July 15th, 2012
2:45 am

DrMary B
where is the link saying Korver does not want to play in ATL?

i_am_soulstar

July 15th, 2012
3:19 am

From what, I’ve read, he’s just not happy about being traded from Chicago. I don’t think he’s crapping on ATL, he just really likes Chicago, and sharing a lockerroom w/ Derrick Rose. When these guys have a wife and/or kids and they get traded, I think it’s just as rough on them as it is for anyone else who has to move their family, or move away from their family. You’d think being a multimillionaire would help though, but maybe millionaires need love too.

http://www.suntimes.com/13761533-761/bulls-trade-kyle-korver-to-hawks-through-timberwolves.html

H4L

July 15th, 2012
4:19 am

I_am_soulstar

I can definitely feel you on the hating to move point. I know how that like being army, trust me when I say it sucks especially with a family. To top it off im sure he knows he is only a one year rental, that must be the worse of it but he has to suck it up cause thats what pays the bills.

EmirS.

July 15th, 2012
4:32 am

My typical past 2 weeks:

8 am: Wake up check NBA.com and ESPN.com to see if Dwight Howard has been traded to anyone. Then to ajc.com/hawks to see what people are saying and what rumors are circulating.

2pm: Eat while checking NBA.com and ESPN.com to see if Dwight Howard has been traded to anyone. Then to ajc.com/hawks to see what people are saying and what rumors are circulating.

5:45pm: Be at work 15 minutes earlier to check NBA.com and ESPN.com to see if Dwight Howard has been traded to anyone. Then to ajc.com/hawks to see what people are saying and what rumors are circulating.

1am: Get home to check NBA.com and ESPN.com to see if Dwight Howard has been traded to anyone. Then to ajc.com/hawks to see what people are saying and what rumors are circulating.

2am: Get in and check
check NBA.com and ESPN.com to see if Dwight Howard has been traded to anyone. Then to ajc.com/hawks to see what people are saying and what rumors are circulating.

2am – 7 am: Wake up at a random time to check NBA.com and ESPN.com to see if Dwight Howard has been traded to anyone. Then to ajc.com/hawks to see what people are saying and what rumors are circulating.

[Repeat]

EmirS.

July 15th, 2012
4:33 am

Seriously…Magic need to stop f***ing around and trade the dude so I can go back to having random days.

Buddy Grizzard

July 15th, 2012
5:45 am

EmirS. you need to be checking hoopshype.com/rumors for a digest every two hours or so and http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html for up-to-the-second info from the twitter feed for all NBA writers.

Kevin

July 15th, 2012
7:18 am

Really guys, the trade has been completed a few days now. No updates? You guys are reports not bankers, where’s the Hawks love.

Kevin

July 15th, 2012
7:19 am

reporters not reports. lmao… ya’ll have a good day!! Maybe we can read about the completed trade in the ajc on Monday.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 15th, 2012
9:14 am

soullrenaissance

“DrMary B
where is the link saying Korver does not want to play in ATL?”
______________

That was in response to a blogger on here. I think it was on page 6? Might have been slimjr?

Me

July 15th, 2012
9:34 am

Benson has improved a lot.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 15th, 2012
9:37 am

EmirS.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I feel your pain, me too.

Me

July 15th, 2012
9:39 am

No need to trade for Howard and accept any bad contracts. He will be a free agent after the season, make a play for him then. same as CP3. Common sense move.

Nite Owl

July 15th, 2012
9:45 am

@EmirS:

LOL, same here. I’ve been going straight to this blog hoping for a new entry from CViv while MC is out—but failing that, I keep refreshing this Korver one, hoping someone’s heard something new.

ESPN’s a little frustrating (what’s new) with their total disregard of all things Atlanta. Everything we do, it’s not “Hawks unload aging overpaid veterans to gullible Nets/Jazz,” it’s “DWill and JJ will join D12 to make the new Big 3!” Sheesh…nothing at all from our perspective.

I didn’t even see any analysis from ESPN of how Lou Williams was going to help us (or hurt us, if you’re a hater). We just don’t exist to those guys—hope the Hawks (and Falcons, for that matter) can bust down the door this year and make them pay attention.

This has been by far the most interesting offseason we’ve had in a long time. I was even checking MC’s twitter account last week, and I never did that before Danny Ferry got here.

Nite Owl

July 15th, 2012
9:49 am

By the way, our summer leaguers go up against the Spurs tonight at 8:00pm. Wonder which one of the Spurs’ JV will be their next diamond in the rough.

soullrenaissance

July 15th, 2012
9:51 am

Yes DrMaryB, I saw I am Soulstar’s response.Thanks Soulstar for the link. Thanks Buddy Grizzard for the hoopshype link as well. Emir – you are not alone, millions of us have that same problem. I heard on 790 the Zone that Orlando was taking the WEEKEND OFF on the trade talks! Time to get my weekend warrior on! Peace out bloggers!

Me

July 15th, 2012
9:51 am

Yeah its about the same as fans from other teams talking bad about JSmoove and after they thought he wanted to leave ATL. begged their team management to acquire him.

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
10:01 am

Najeh:Najeh Davenpoop

July 14th, 2012
11:45 pm
“I gotta ask, how much is the new JJ gonna get paid to give up the jersey if D12 makes his way to the ATL? Will D12 whine and moan because he can’t have 12?”

I would think Orlando would ask for Jenkins in a Dwight trade….

That I gotta agree with you and there goes some of the logjam at SG so many are worried about here.

Emir, hoopshype is your friend and when MC is working, I check his tweets. Combo works for me well.

NiteOwl, if D12 came here, then all of a sudden, there would be an ‘ESPN Atlanta’ channel’. You gotta have enough national interest to get one of those deals.

And Houston wouldn’t necessarily be screwed with Lin and Asik…just lots of pressure to earn it.

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
10:06 am

Wow, Lin gets deal in first 3 years of 5/5/14!!

Knicks are passing on this deal.

Next up: Asik

Woody better get something out of his team this year with Felton getting the PG slot.

ESPN reporting Knicks are moving along without Linsanity. All those promo deals in NY? Huge hit.

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
10:08 am

Is it now time for Danny to pounce or does he wait out the Asik deal?

Very quiet right now on this except on SC.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 15th, 2012
10:19 am

KevinM!

I’m surprised The Knicks passing on Lin-Sanity? NYC was the perfect stage for Lin’s talent, on so many levels. He would have paid for himself with jersy sales alone. Of all the over paid players in NY, why not pay Lin too? I wish we could have gotten him, Lin would have packed Phillips Arena all by himself.

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
10:19 am

I think NY is playing games with Houston. No way they give up on the marketing money tied to Jeremy Lin. Their guard slots will almost be as crowded as ours though: Lin, Kidd, Felton, Russian PG, Smith, etc… When Shumpert comes back, one of the above will likely be traded.

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
10:28 am

Which group do you like better (chemistry, cost, potential, current ability, etc…):

NY’s guards: Lin, Kidd, Felton, Prigioni, and Smith.
ATL’s guards: Teague, Harris, Wiiliams, Jenkins, and Morrow.

i_am_soulstar

July 15th, 2012
10:34 am

Wow! That’d be crazy if NYK let their cash cow slide out of town.

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
10:40 am

3rd year, Lin’s contract: 14M salary and double that to pay dollar for dollar over the luxury tax.

Stephen A saying its 30M in year 3 alone! Houston came back and revised their original offer and that 3rd year is the killer.

You gotta have Lin in NY….Stephen A says Knicks have moved on with Felton and Kidd.

Just Joe, I like our guards since both teams play for the same type of coach.

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
10:41 am

Marc J. Spears: It is “highly doubtful” NY will match Jeremy Lin’s offer sheet with HOU, source tells Y! Sports. NY likely to wait 3 days before declining.

Looking up the Asik timeline now….

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
10:43 am

Asik’s offer sheet likely signed on Wednesday….

Nothing will happen with D12 IMO until this is resolved. Houston may remake the numbers on this deal too to press the Bulls.

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
10:59 am

Hawks / Spurs game tonight at 8pm ET not being seen on NBA-TV until noon Monday…

Someone correct me if they see otherwise.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 15th, 2012
11:09 am

WOW!

The luxury tax is $1.75 for every $1.00 over the threshold. What a deterrent for NY, but they would make that back and, then some … they could always move him. IDK, if I let this guy walk if, I’m NY.

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 15th, 2012
11:11 am

Check Mate!

That Houston GM is …. shrewd! He just put NY in a pickle jar when, he revised that Lin offer in the third year from 9M to 14M. I’m thinking that 3rd year is a team option – No?

drmaryb.(""_*).

July 15th, 2012
11:13 am

* That GM put NY in the BOTTOM of a pickle jar … they can’t get up & out of this one. They’ll need Houdini to pull that one off!

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
11:16 am

DMB, I agree with you…..3 years gives you time to move the numbers on your team. I can’t see how Linsanity cannot continue in NY.

i_am_soulstar

July 15th, 2012
11:28 am

drmaryb,

I don ‘t think so, because if Houston offered the 3rd year as a team option, then that would mean that the Knicks (if they decided to match) would also be agreeing to the 3rd as a team option, and they could easily bring him back on board for 2 years and waive him after that (or keep him if he’s worth it). I’m willing to bet NYK won’t match because the last year is at least partially guaranteed, if not entirely.

i_am_soulstar

July 15th, 2012
11:30 am

Sorry, not waive, I meant *not pick up his option

richbrave

July 15th, 2012
12:15 pm

I paid close attention to the HAWKS-WIZ summer league tilt day before yesterday.

The HAWKS were superb. They smothered the WIZ throughout the game. Great defense inside and out pretty much from wire-to-wire.

I really liked FRANK HASSELL and MIKE SCOTT inside. I think one makes the squad, and other goes to the ‘D’ League. I think in time both have something to offer HAWKS fans.

I love the DANNY FERRY picks and pick-ups in UFA. We are going to enjoy watching this club as it’s made over. FERRY is here to stay, and he’s going to do an excellent job.

I MUS WRITE

July 15th, 2012
12:24 pm

Hawks dont play SA until monday at noon. Klay thompson gon make the people in GS forget all about monte Ellis. GS should make sumoise this yr.

O'brien

July 15th, 2012
12:26 pm

KevinM,

Orlando may insist we take Jason Richardson, so we would still have a log jam at SG.

That being said, I don’t think anything happens between hawks and Orlando until September 11. That will be 2 months after deals/trades have been completed. That’s when we could move the players we traded for as part of a package (not individually).

For example, Orlando may want Devin Harris expiring $8.5 mil along with horford and JJ2.

I MUS WRITE

July 15th, 2012
12:28 pm

Richbrave -what do you hink about Paul Carter #11. i think Mike Scott will make the team,he has a nice face up game -post game too.

Festus Ezeile… I think this guy will be pretty good

O'brien

July 15th, 2012
12:29 pm

Dmb,

I will take Felton (3 years, $10 mil) over Lin (3 years, $20+ mil). Lin had a good stretch of 25 games in his career. That’s it. And once teams get to study more film on him, who knows if he will be just as effective.

I MUS WRITE

July 15th, 2012
12:33 pm

Sick of this Howard Soap Opera….I we make a trade, i say we use ZaZA/Horford/Morrow,draftpicks -expiring contracts …Keep Teague and JJ2 if possible.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 15th, 2012
1:27 pm

I MUS WRITE

I don’t like Scott. He was having too much trouble getting his shot off. Give me #11 Carter though since we need more wings.

JT's Hoops Blog

July 15th, 2012
1:47 pm

Uh why would Hawks make such a deal w/ a mediocre player such as Korver?

That Man Again

July 15th, 2012
1:53 pm

“FERRY is here to stay, and he’s going to do an excellent job.”

I’d like to say ditto, but I can’t because this is 100% turnaround from where Sund had led this team but not excellent. Most of the refreshing sensation is due in part to years of oppression and tolerance of mediocrity. Any man is relieved to get a 500lb weight off his chest.
However to earn “excellence” from me, we would have a team that is clearly capable of reaching the semifinals/finals of our conference championship. That is not going to happen with this team as constructed. There is far too much mediocrity on this team to get passed the Miami’s and Chicago’s, hell, every year ignorant bloggers project that Boston will be too old and the Hawks will overtake them… and then every time we face them in the playoffs, they hand us our as after they finish with it.

Excellent? Not so fast! Relieving yes, excellent? The Jury is still out.

Excellence gets Dwight Howard here,
Good gets an upgraded starting defensive center (Gasol, Bynum, DeAndre Jordan (JaVale McGee, – hate me later bloggers)).
Mediocre/no better than Sund, keeps Al Horford at center.
Excellence Keeps top 5 power forward Josh Smoove and extend his contract to play with the new center. You don’t fix what isn’t broken.
Excellence gets a real point guard not a “project” that can’t take a job away from old man Bibby or unseat a healthy Kirk Hinrich. Rather than raise the bar for Teague we lowered it. Teague’s IQ is not what you expect from the point control of your ball game. Devin Harris is more intelligent but not the star he could be.
Excellence gets us a “Super Star and at the least a big 3. Right now we’ve got Smoove and then there is a talent level drop off. Next in line is Al (forget the dumb accolades) who is really very average and not the type of guy to lead your team or take over a game. He’s just not smart enough or talented enough. Any criticism of Al is automatically countered with attacks on JSmoove from the Al supporters, who can accept that Josh is not only a better talent than Al at the power forward position but is much more intelligent. Smith takes over games on 3 levels and on both defensive and offensive ends. While I like Al and think he is a solid player, he is nowhere the talent or force Josh has proved to be.
We have got to raise our standards not lower them, no settling for the average players.
Ferry has done a good Job and is off to a good start. What he has done may stabilize us from the backwards slide since Sund and the Bubba Crew ran former Hawk and current Knick coach Mike
Woodson off in favor of his caddie, lazy Drew, but it doesn’t start any upward motion. In fact there may be a few teams that will pass us over on the rising chart.

Bottom line? Good Job so far but we’ve got far too many issues to call this excellent. I’d rather call it a step in the right direction, with a long way to go. We are no closer to a championship than we were last year. We need players dedicated to winning, not players fighting over wanting to play someone else position.

The core still needs upgrading.

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
1:58 pm

Hawks either gave up nothing (S&T of Hinrich) or their $5M trade exception for Korver.

What’s a veteran 3-pt shooter on a $5M expiring contract worth at the trade deadline? Late first rd pick from a contender?

It would not be unheard of for Harris, Morrow, and Korver to all return first rd picks to the Hawks.

That Man Again

July 15th, 2012
2:00 pm

*, who can’t accept that Josh is not only a better talent than Al at the power forward position but is much more intelligent. Smith takes over games on 3 levels and on both defensive and offensive ends.

vava74

July 15th, 2012
2:00 pm

I think that NBA will need to intervene and ban those back loaded contracts…

Maybe establish that the final year of a contract cannot be more than 25% higher than the first.

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
2:18 pm

If Ivan is back I dont think Scott makes the team. I think we should have taken Kyle O’ Quinn over Scott. Not to say that I dont like Scott.

Kraig Wholers

July 15th, 2012
2:30 pm

That Man Again – I have to agree with you buddy. This is still pretty much the same set of scrubs that have us going backwards. It was dumb to let M. Woodson go especially for Larry Drew. I see your points and they are well taken. We need talent not mediocrity. We need hungry players Like Josh and Howard. This team is better from a financial stand point but this is not a team on the rise. Talent wise there is not much of an upgrade, maybe to the bench, But its the starters that need the upgrade .

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
2:31 pm

Paul Carter SF is the truth you all will see today we need him on our squad….Caracter will play more too.

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
2:31 pm

I want to see more of Mike Scott, but he’s got a tough task ahead of him when he could be looking up at Josh, Al, ZaZa, and Ivan.

I want to see Jordan Williams in action too. He’s got Al’s height and length, with an extra 20+ lbs on his frame. Any post moves?

Barry Sanders

July 15th, 2012
2:33 pm

This team wins 42-48 games and is done in the 1st round, depending on the match ups.

J. Stone

July 15th, 2012
2:35 pm

who is “Caracter” ?

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
2:39 pm

Jordan Williams played well for the Nets once he started getting minutes. He will be better than Twin and Damp coming off the bench. I really hope we sign Anthony Randolph. I liked what I saw out of Carter from the first summer league game. If he continues to play well maybe he gets an invite to camp.

That Man Again

July 15th, 2012
2:40 pm

K.Irving has broken his hand

soullrenaissance

July 15th, 2012
2:45 pm

Kidd drunk driving and allegedly wilding out again. Maybe NYK should keep Lin-sanity.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168193/jason-kidd-new-york-knicks-arrested-charged-dwi

That Man Again

July 15th, 2012
3:02 pm

Danny Ferry tries to ease Josh Smith’s concerns
July 9
Atlanta Journal-Constitution

“Hawks forward Josh Smith is eager to see what Danny Ferry has in store for the in the future but he doesn’t seem to be impressed by what he sees right now. Ferry agreed to trade Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams in deals that no doubt leave the Hawks as a worse team now. Word is Smith, whose contract expires after next season, expressed his concerns about the team’s direction in a recent meeting with Ferry. The Hawks GM in turn told Smith his short- and long-term visions for making the team a contender. Ferry acknowledged meeting with Smith last week. “It went great,” Ferry said. “It went fine.” Ferry declined to elaborate on any details about the conversation with Smith but, speaking”

Ray

July 15th, 2012
3:14 pm

Exactly imagine someone like Boston or Lakers going for his services since you know they are contenders.

Ray

July 15th, 2012
3:15 pm

My Previous post was @ Just Joe

For his 1:58 post above.

Ray

July 15th, 2012
3:20 pm

As for 2011-12 Hawks being worse or better than 2012-2013 Hawks we won’t really know until we get to the post season.

In reality we don’t know how good 2011-2012 Hawks were because of injuries to Zaza and Al. People may call him soft, but I’d rather have had Al the entire season then be stuck with Damp and Collins thinking they were actually any good.

When I really think about this the only person we truly lost was Joe Johnson. If John Jenkins or someone gives us that production coupled with other people raising their games like Horford, Smith, Zaza, and Teague.

This version of the hawks would be better than last years IMO. It’s going to look much worse on the Nets as well if that does happen. I’m not ready to crown J.Jenkins the next coming or anything like that, but just saying this season will be more of a success then previous ones.

GMAN

July 15th, 2012
3:29 pm

Does anyone have a link for the summer league game tonight?

Ray

July 15th, 2012
3:38 pm

Try firstrow.com that’s what another blogger told me it’s not the best, but hey it’s something lol.

GMAN

July 15th, 2012
3:41 pm

@Ray

I went there and I didn’t see anything that even remotely advertised a link to all of the NBA summer league games.

Ray

July 15th, 2012
3:45 pm

Well blog monster ate that post.

But go to the Basketball section of First Row it’s right there.

Rev in Tampa

July 15th, 2012
3:46 pm

Gman,

Its firstrowsports(dot)com

Blog Monster won’t let me post the DOT.

GMAN

July 15th, 2012
3:49 pm

@Rev in Tampa

It says that site has been seized by ICE-Homeland Security Investigations…:/

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
3:51 pm

Dear Danny,

All we need now is to find a SF who will not allow Lebron James to beat him off the dribble. Deshawn Stevenson can and will defend and consequently lock down DeWayne Wayne.(see 2011 NBA Finals)

sincerely,
Steven A. Smith(not Stephen A Smith)

Buddy Grizzard

July 15th, 2012
3:54 pm

GMAN just got to NBA.com and order summer league pass broadband for 4.99. You can watch replays of every game in addition to live footage.

“I think that NBA will need to intervene and ban those back loaded contracts…”

This was negotiated in the new CBA. Players WANTED these backloaded contracts to give them leverage against their current teams trying to retain them. It’s a huge advantage for the team making the offer sheet because Houston will be able to take an average cap hit of just over $8m per season for the three seasons of the deal. If NY matches, they won’t have that option. They will have to take a $15m cap hit in the third season and pay a ton of luxury tax… maybe as much as three times the player’s salary because at that point NY will be paying the more punitive tax for repeat taxpayers.

Houston will collect some of that tax money, so it’s win/win for them. If the Knicks are furious at Lin for getting a contract offer from Houston, maybe they should have tried making him an offer instead of treating him like the Hawks treated Josh. And once that money is on the table, do the Knicks expect Jeremy Lin to give them a discount? What has NY done for Jeremy Lin? He played for $400k last year, and MSG stock value doubled during his rise, making stockholders hundreds of millions of dollars.

RayS

July 15th, 2012
4:07 pm

I don’t see scott making the team but I like jenkins, Frank Hassel and Keith Benson I think if they keep playing the way they have started out then they should get a spot. Frank Hassel is 6′9 I think he can play SF and showing some great defense and hustle

Ray

July 15th, 2012
4:07 pm

@ GMAN

Don’t know what problems you got I’m watching a game on there now.

RayS

July 15th, 2012
4:08 pm

But that just me anyone else see it or have a comment on that

Ray

July 15th, 2012
4:09 pm

I’m all for Keith Benson playing with us I think he has more than we gave him credit for he keeps playing like he did the other day he’d be one of the biggest steals all-time.

We’ve always been talking about a Center we needed or at least Centers that are serviceable besides just annoying people.

waltbellamy

July 15th, 2012
4:17 pm

Rev in Tampa

July 15th, 2012
3:46 pm

Gman,

Its firstrowsports(dot)com

Blog Monster won’t let me post the DOT.

********************************************

It is actually (dot)eu

Grandad

July 15th, 2012
4:22 pm

For anyone who cares:

NBA.com

All summer league games $4.99
-previous games archived-

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
4:24 pm

Keith Benson vs. Fab Melo (measurables)

Benson 6′10″ without shoes, 217 lbs, 7′3.75″ wingspan, 9′1″ standing reach, 31.5″ no step vertical, 12 reps on the bench, 6% body fat, 11.88 lane agility, and 3.35 3/4 court sprint.

Melo 6′10.75″ without shoes, 255 lbs, 7′2.5″ wingspan, 9′2″ standing reach, 29.5″ no step vertical, 9 reps on the bench, 9% body fat, 12.14 lane agility, and 3.44 3/4 court sprint.

Benson is two years older. That 38 lbs that Melo can carry is the difference. If Benson could just get up to 240 and maintain his athleticism, it would be huge for us.

Jaded Hawks Fan

July 15th, 2012
4:37 pm

This is going to be an interesting team next year. Lots of lethal shooters and plenty of depth. Perimeter D could be a concern, which is why I advocate hanging on to Stevenson.

I really couldn’t begin to forcast how many games this team will win. Hopefully the new parts jell quickly. I’d feel a lot better if we could add a legitimate starter at SF.

random

July 15th, 2012
4:42 pm

just type in firstrow.com on google
and click the first link

Grandad

July 15th, 2012
4:49 pm

If we look at last season
-compare & contrast to next season-

from 2011 / 12 – (pros / cons):
* we lose Joe Johnson = con

for 2012 / 13 – (pros / cons):
* we lose Marv = pro
* we add JJenkins = pro
* possible addition M.Scott = pro
* add D.Harris = pro
* add Lou Wll = pro
* add Korver = pro
* add Morrow = pro
* possible addition K.Benson = pro
* add Horford [full season] = Pro !

** amongst all that … Bench eminently better !
*** essentially we traded Joe for Al.
*** Are we not better and especially more balanced ?

RayS

July 15th, 2012
5:00 pm

Jaded Hawks Fan

I don’t know but I think still have a good core but I’m concerned at the “D” but we have Johan Petro maybe He’ll help being we will have a 7′ inside

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
5:02 pm

@J. Stone I was referring to Derrick Caracter C from the Lakers is on our summer camp roster. The Lakers cut him last yr due to some him getting arrested for public intoxication. He can play has good inside game and is very tough!

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
5:02 pm

Unless we have Zaza playing those minutes at C, we aren’t very formidable down low. Since we don’t have a SF at present, the Al/Josh/Zaza line is as good as we can get.

I don’t expect Collins or Damp to return. I don’t want Vlad and glad Stack went elsewhere…I didn’t want LD influencing Ferry into bringing him back.

Gotta decide on Ivan, Sy, Scott and a couple others for the last 2 slots. The roster is quickly taking shape, barring any other deals.

I like Korver’s size, but don’t recall him making any impression on defense. I guess CHI wouldn’t have played him if he didn’t play any, so I’ll go on record stating his defense must be at least average.
Can he defend the 3? Not sure about that. It’s like taking Joe away from his natural position.

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
5:12 pm

G-Dad: “* add Korver = pro”

Is Korver supposed to get 5M this year? If so, I think its a bit high but we’ll have to wait on that judgement. He won’t contribute as much as Zaza or Morrow IMO. I don’t belive Kirk is getting more than 3M/9.

And 2 stories linked to former Hawks:
“Q: How long will it take for you to help bring a championship to Brooklyn? A: Honestly, not long. I think we got some great pieces to put us in position to win a title, honestly. … This could be probably the best team I’ve ever played on. – Joe Johnson”

Hilarious for him to be bold and open now he’s in NY. He hasn’t had a significant quote in how long?

And on the Lin saga: “As we have reported last couple of days, the renegotiation of an offer sheet that was agreed upon and leaked to press – after Woodson publicly said they’d match and he’d be starter – was a kick in gut to organization.”

Woody stepped right in it….and it should be a concern to Woody how NY will treat the Knicks in they have PG issues this year.

NY is going to be buzzing with stories this year.

Send in the Clowns....

July 15th, 2012
5:14 pm

Dont bother they’re here !

“All we need now is to find a SF who will not allow Lebron James to beat him off the dribble”

Does such a person exsist that is shutting down Lebron in a 7 game set?

Where do these people come from?

RayS

July 15th, 2012
5:24 pm

Send in the Clowns….

I sure someone can but assuming Lebron gets his we need to counter with scoring on our end and hope we have enough “D” to slow them down enough to win

RayS

July 15th, 2012
5:26 pm

In the finals OKC couldn’t score and then them started making crazy mistakes

J. Stonentrigue

July 15th, 2012
5:28 pm

Thanks for the follow up ntrigue.

I have to agree with the guy that posted this :

“Excellence gets Dwight Howard here,

Good gets an upgraded starting defensive center (Gasol, Bynum, DeAndre Jordan (JaVale McGee, – hate me later bloggers)).

Mediocre/no better than Sund, keeps Al Horford at center.

Excellence Keeps top 5 power forward Josh Smoove and extend his contract to play with the new center. You don’t fix what isn’t broken.

Excellence gets a real point guard not a “project” that can’t take a job away from old man Bibby or unseat a healthy Kirk Hinrich. Rather than raise the bar for Teague we lowered it. Teague’s IQ is not what you expect from the point control of your ball game. Devin Harris is more intelligent but not the star he could be.

Excellence gets us a “Super Star and at the least a big 3. Right now we’ve got Smoove and then there is a talent level drop off. Next in line is Al (forget the dumb accolades) who is really very average and not the type of guy to lead your team or take over a game. He’s just not smart enough or talented enough. Any criticism of Al is automatically countered with attacks on JSmoove from the Al supporters, who can accept that Josh is not only a better talent than Al at the power forward position but is much more intelligent. Smith takes over games on 3 levels and on both defensive and offensive ends. While I like Al and think he is a solid player, he is nowhere the talent or force Josh has proved to be.

We have got to raise our standards not lower them, no settling for the average players.
Ferry has done a good Job and is off to a good start. What he has done may stabilize us from the backwards slide since Sund and the Bubba Crew ran former Hawk and current Knick coach Mike
Woodson off in favor of his caddie, lazy Drew, but it doesn’t start any upward motion. In fact there may be a few teams that will pass us over on the rising chart.

Bottom line? Good Job so far but we’ve got far too many issues to call this excellent. I’d rather call it a step in the right direction, with a long way to go. We are no closer to a championship than we were last year. We need players dedicated to winning, not players fighting over wanting to play someone else position.

The core still needs upgrading.” – We aren’t at the “seriously competing” level. We are just a sound team competitive but no where near championship level which again will put us in the Also ran category. We need major changes not itty bitty minor changes that effectively endorse status qo. Same ol bulcrap.

J. Stone

July 15th, 2012
5:29 pm

Grandad

July 15th, 2012
5:35 pm

Just Joe
Keith Benson tied for fourth [prior to the current draft class]
With a Max Vertical of 12 ft 1.50 in
on the all-time data base at DraftXpress; for Max Reach;
Which includes:
*height with shoes
*wingspan
*standing reach
*and Max Vertical

List includes:
*Ty Thomas 1st @ 12’ 3.50”
*JaVale McGee & D.Howard 2nd @ 12’ 3”
*Josh Smith 3rd [three way] tie @ 12’ 2”
*Benson 4th [tied with] D.Favors @ 12’ 1.50”

Pretty good company to keep if one is a shot blocker.

RayS

July 15th, 2012
5:39 pm

J. Stonentrigue

For a long time the Hawks have been a team that won with fast breaks and points in the paint but had not good perimeter shooters or the ones we had where not consistant but now we have better shooters from the perimeter which will force teams to play the whole court instead of keep our player from getting to the paint this is where we are better but I agree we have to be more defensive on the other end

Grandad

July 15th, 2012
5:42 pm

KevinM

You do not like a 41% career 3 pt shot maker
starting at the [3] ahead of Marv as a pro !

I was not considering $alary.

Grandad

July 15th, 2012
5:44 pm

*** 41% 3 pt shot maker over a *’`9 yr`’* career ! ***

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
5:44 pm

Perhaps Benson can take away Petro’s backup slot?

For all you Chills fans, he’s available again: Phoenix just amnestied his contract, and they have also won the Scola bidding.

Good trade off for sure: Gortat and Scola frontline.

Please don’t ask for Josh back; his game has really fallen off since he’s returned to the states. He would be cheap though.

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
5:47 pm

G-Dad, “Grandad

July 15th, 2012
5:42 pm
KevinM

You do not like a 41% career 3 pt shot maker
starting at the [3] ahead of Marv as a pro !”

I know you know your hoops, but its probably the 1st or 2nd factor now in the league. He can play, but can we pay him?

Korver nor Joe are physical enough for the 3. We need some rebounds from that slot and someone who will drive down the paint.

vava74

July 15th, 2012
5:48 pm

Buddy,

Thanks for the explanation.

That’s a major point on CBA and funny enough, the NYK were already the victims twice this year…

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2012
5:48 pm

KevinM

July 15th, 2012
5:51 pm

“Jonathan Feigen: To add Luis Scola, the Suns made Josh Childress their amnesty cut.”

RayS

July 15th, 2012
5:59 pm

Grandad
I think so too, also like Frank Hassell

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
6:05 pm

God did not create anyone who is unstoppable, just ask “Iron” Mike Tyson!!!

Send in the Clowns….

July 15th, 2012
5:14 pm

Dont bother they’re here !

“All we need now is to find a SF who will not allow Lebron James to beat him off the dribble”

Does such a person exsist that is shutting down Lebron in a 7 game set?

Where do these people come from

“EVERYONE” has a stopper…

vava74

July 15th, 2012
6:05 pm

LD is a used car salesman

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2012
6:11 pm

Nobody is going to claim Childress on amnesty, so he will be an unrestricted free agent.

If the Hawks miss out on Pietrus or Barnes, they could do worse than to bring him in on a veteran’s minimum deal. This team needs a SF who can do something other than just shoot.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2012
6:12 pm

The Bulls are shopping Rip Hamilton, who is paid $5 million this year with a team option for $5 million next year. I wonder if they would take Korver back for Hamilton. Between the two I’d rather have Rip.

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
6:13 pm

Not so good draft picks?

Josh Childress
Marvin Williams
Sheldon Williams
A. C. Law III

WOW! We coulc have had an allstar team!

Sautee

July 15th, 2012
6:16 pm

As my friend (and excellent songwriter) Will Kimbrough would say about LD:

“Why don’t you say what you mean, you’re just mouthing the right words,

Looks like you’re perfectly made for this modern world”
————————————————————————————

Just mouthing the right words. Perfect. Thanks, Will.

glw

July 15th, 2012
6:20 pm

Childress game hasnt really fallen off, he just didnt have the chance to do the things which made him effective here. He got minutes here because he played good defense, attacked the basket and crashed the boards. He would fit good here.

He might not want to come back here though after being slighted over the contract thing though. With him being from Inglewood, I could see the Lakers or the Clippers going after him though. He probably would prefer playing for them over the Hawks.

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
6:20 pm

Mickael Pietrus is an outstanding defender. This guy is quick enough when healthy to stay in front of Lebron, and he is not afraid to take a “charge”

Send in the Clowns….

July 15th, 2012
5:14 pm

Dont bother they’re here !

“All we need now is to find a SF who will not allow Lebron James to beat him off the dribble”

Does such a person exsist that is shutting down Lebron in a 7 game set?

Where do these people come from

Grandad

July 15th, 2012
6:24 pm

KevinM

A couple or three considerations to chew on.

*KKorver exp contract
*CBA mandates every team must spend their $.
*I would rather have KK than Marv
**[which is what I set out to do / compare 2013 v 2012]
*match-ups … it`s all about match-ups.
**[teams will have to adjust to our line-up ... also]
*DFerry ain`t through.
**(..I`m reckoning DF`s gonna get a def minded stopper @ the [3]..)

KevM

I know that was more than 2 or 3 but I got on a roll.

Also;
I`m really hoping we have a spot for Anthony Randolph.

dap01

July 15th, 2012
6:28 pm

It want be long before ISO Joe appears and his post game comments will consist of “man, you know” and Brooklyn will realize what kind of contract they are stuck with.

Great job Ferry!

random

July 15th, 2012
6:32 pm

I remember in the 09-10 season Damien Wilkins played pretty good defense on Lebron

Grandad

July 15th, 2012
6:36 pm

Childress game has not fallen off.
He just can`t shoot, never could.

Heady player … undersized … not real strong.

Real hgt under 6-6 (6-5+) in shoes … never was 6-8.

Never had any guard skills.

Plus … as a defensive stopper;
cannot handle:
*LBJ = too strong
*Durant = too long
*Rose, Paul, Rondo, Wade et al = too quick
[4`s] & [5`s] too big.

Who is left to guard ….. Marvin ?

In the old days – pre-Danny Ferry;
we could / would consider Childress ?

Now we can shoot higher – I think … hope ?

J. Stone

July 15th, 2012
6:59 pm

RayS I agree, The hawks have used youthful athleticism as a whole court run and gun to run past some teams and for years it got us to the playoffs. The are still young but no longer the gazelles they used to be.

For years I have been saying that running will get you to the playoffs but wont take you far because the game changes in the play off to more ball control and walk it up and half court sets. Defense becomes the governor and the run and gun is silenced for the most part. Having decent shooters will help when you cant get in the paint because of serious low post play, denying and altering shots, but you still have to defend the rack.

The hawks problem is that they dont have that stopper to force the game to the perimeter. Josh cant do it all by his self and Al is not either willing or able to defend the post.

The hawks need a center. No Ouija board shoot em out offense is going to change that. In fact, The highest percentage shot is under the basket not on the wing or perimeter. Teams will beat us inside at the crucial moments. Even if we shoot 55% outside, (which is hard to sustain), low post efficiency is higher at nearly 70% of shots under the baskets for good teams.

Teams win or lose the hunting rounds of the playoffs in the paint. So while its good to add shooters its even better to added defensive stoppers at the rim that deny or alter shots. Defensively our best center and power forward from a defensive view is Zaza and Josh. But that’s not going to get you in the hunting rounds. Just the also ran rounds.

Hawks need a center.

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
7:02 pm

Do the Miami Heat have a Center?

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
7:03 pm

Chris Bosh is a PF who played the “Center” position….

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
7:07 pm

Hope this kid catches on in that last roster spot.

John Shurna: While we’re on the topic of pure shooters, how about the 6-foot-10 face-up specialist from Northwestern? The Wildcats’ all-time leading scorer went undrafted in June but could catch on as a stretch big with sharp court awareness.

High-sider

July 15th, 2012
7:18 pm

“FirstRow Sports”

www (dot) thefirstrow (dot) eu [no spaces]

Then, click the ‘BASKETBALL’ tab.

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
7:19 pm

I’m not sold that you have to have shot blockers to win a title. Miami’s leading shotblocker in the playoffs was Wade with just over one per game. OKC blocked a lot of shots, but they still gave up over 100 points per game to the Heat. Boston defended Miami much better, but again, only had KG averaging over a block per game for the playoffs. Team defense (positioning, footwork, rotations, switches, close outs, etc…) appears to be more important. AND DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING.

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
7:20 pm

By K.C. Johnson, Tribune reporter

6:49 p.m. CDT, July 14, 2012
As the Bulls tried to finalize their three-team deal to send Kyle Korver to the Hawks via the Timberwolves, Korver arrived in Atlanta for a physical scheduled on Monday.

The Hawks remained confident enough in the transaction to fly Korver to town.

High-sider

July 15th, 2012
7:30 pm

Times are off on “FirstRow Sports.”

Mavs vs. Nuggets and Heat vs. Raptors games are currently in play.

High-sider

July 15th, 2012
7:33 pm

Hawks vs. Spurs [summer league] game is scheduled for tonight at 8:00pm est.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
7:33 pm

dap01

July 15th, 2012
6:28 pm

It want be long before ISO Joe appears and his post game comments will consist of “man, you know” and Brooklyn will realize what kind of contract they are stuck with.

Great job Ferry!

*****************

Brooklyn won’t be “stuck” with any contract. They know exactly who and what they traded for. They get a guy who has made the All-Star team 6 years in a row, and paired him with a guy that is arguably the best PG in the league. They now have a top 3 backcourt in the NBA.

Meanwhile, we cleared the “bad contract” off the books, and replaced it with a bunch of spot up shooters and ISO players.

We’ll see who is the eventual “winner” in all of this. Hopefully it’s us.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
7:40 pm

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
7:19 pm

I’m not sold that you have to have shot blockers to win a title. Miami’s leading shotblocker in the playoffs was Wade with just over one per game. OKC blocked a lot of shots, but they still gave up over 100 points per game to the Heat. Boston defended Miami much better, but again, only had KG averaging over a block per game for the playoffs. Team defense (positioning, footwork, rotations, switches, close outs, etc…) appears to be more important. AND DEFENSIVE REBOUNDING.

************************

While it helps to have a shot blocking threat, you are correct. Team defense and the ability to limit the other team to “one and done” via defensive rebounding, is far more important than shot blocking. Boston was the best defense in the league, and their best shot blocker was Greg Steimsma.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
7:43 pm

As for Korver, the move is redundant and unnecessary in my opinion.

It’s funny how everybody forgets that we STILL need a legit center around here. But Ferry has turned over things so much, that people forget that.

Hopefully Ferry can flip all of these shooters for a legit big man in the future.

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
7:47 pm

As far as defense goes. I will also say that I have major concerns over Harris, Williams, Jenkins, Morrow, and Korver (nearly half of our active roster) being able to keep guys out of the paint.

random

July 15th, 2012
7:53 pm

btw high sider those times arent off they are always like that the heat game has 18:30, on that website they dont post things in order they just put them up there

Mickey Factz

July 15th, 2012
8:10 pm

Korver has been in ATL since yersterday but his physical is scheduled for tomorrow, so we probably won’t hear anything until then.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-korver-in-atlanta-for-physical-ahead-of-bulls-trade-20120714,0,7550317.story

tjhook

July 15th, 2012
8:22 pm

First comment – I would like to see Danny Ferry push to get Al Thornton on this team. He averaged 19 in the summer league and would fit the roster defensively.
Next, I have the hyperlink to Kyle Korver’s interview with ESPN Chicago after the trade.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8165264

Al Thornton is affordable and worth bringing in to compete for a spot on the team.

random

July 15th, 2012
8:23 pm

btw the hawks game link is under the denver vs nuggets link on firstrow

Mickey Factz

July 15th, 2012
8:24 pm

I like the Korver move honestly. He’s a better shooter than Marvin. Teams won’t be able to sag off him like they did with Marv. Think about how much our 3pt shooting improved in 08-09 with the addition of Flip/Mo in place of Childress. How much more improvement will we see with all of these great ball-handlers and dead-eye shooters? I would guess that Al/Smoove Will have a lot more room to work with down low than in the past.

Lou, Teague, and Harris are our slashers/playmakers while Jenkins, Morrow (Should be able to play some SF), and Korver are our snipers. I like it. If we can bring this squad back next season + Dwight I could see a Title in A-Town

Korver is not a better rebounder than Marvin BUT with him being such a great shooter, it SHOULD force Smoove/Al to play a little closer to the basket and be in better offensive rebounding position.

I hope we can get rid of Stevenson/Petro and keep Benson and maybe bring somebody like Collins(For Dwight Defense) back

Send in the clowns..

July 15th, 2012
8:26 pm

Dont bother there here……

There is no defensive rebound without playing some defense, if your defense dont deny alter or (since you clowns mention it, I sure didn’t) block the shot there will be no defensive rebound. …Duh?

Football is won or lost in the trenches and basketball is won or lost in the paint. Period If you cant defend the rim, you don’t win a championship in NBA basketball. Any one who can recognize that is a loser and a clown…

Payaso.

don’t bother they’re here.

Send in the clowns..

July 15th, 2012
8:28 pm

*Dont bother they’re here

How can you get a defensive rebound if there is no miss? If the opposition is dunking all over our soft as center then where in the fck is the rebound?

Payasos

brigadierjerry

July 15th, 2012
8:34 pm

Grandad,

I’d like to see Benson and Scott make the team but I do not know if Scott makes the team if Ivan is resigned.
Also wouldnt mind if Matt Barnes or Pietrus makes the team. They are good defensive players and Hawks need one.

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
8:40 pm

Carter is really playing well

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
8:53 pm

Send in the clowns..

July 15th, 2012
8:28 pm

*Dont bother they’re here

How can you get a defensive rebound if there is no miss? If the opposition is dunking all over our soft as center then where in the fck is the rebound?

Payasos

*******************

Right.

Cause the dunk shot is the most frequent used shot in the NBA, and it is more important to prevent someone from dunking on you, than it is to get a hand in a jumpshooter’s or post player’s face when he’s about to shoot the ball, and force a miss.

We must prevent a team from dunking, because if we don’t, they’ll dunk 20 times a game. As for the shooters, just leave them wide open because preventing a dunk is more important.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

July 15th, 2012
8:56 pm

“Period If you cant defend the rim, you don’t win a championship in NBA basketball. Any one who can recognize that is a loser and a clown…”

Well, you said it. Glad I don’t have those kind of recognition skills.

Ray

July 15th, 2012
8:58 pm

I think there is thing called taking a charge in the NBA. I…I…I think that would stop people from dunking a good bit.

Oh Oh and clogging up the lanes for people to dunk would help as well.

Ray

July 15th, 2012
8:59 pm

Buddy Grizzard

July 15th, 2012
9:01 pm

Benson happy with himself for the jump shot plays no defense and gives up a layup at the other end.

High-sider

July 15th, 2012
9:02 pm

@random

random
July 15th, 2012
7:53 pm

btw high sider those times arent off they are always like that the heat game has 18:30, on that website they dont post things in order they just put them up there
———————————————————————–

You’re right. I looked at the schedule incorrectly. A military time of 15:30 is 7:30pm. Since I live in the central time zone, the game start times are going to be different from you “eastern time zone” residents.

Buddy Grizzard

July 15th, 2012
9:03 pm

Another nice move for Benson.

Send in the clowns..

July 15th, 2012
9:03 pm

Don’t bother they’re here!

The closer you get to the rim, the higher the shooting percentage. The more active your big men at at defending the rim, which includes, denying, altering and blocking shots the better your chances are for going deep in the playoffs.

Stevie Wonder can see that.

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:04 pm

Scott hasn’t been impressive at all. I don’t see how he makes this team even if Ivan doesn’t come back.

Ray

July 15th, 2012
9:06 pm

@ The Real cp

Got to look at entire body of work a few games don’t tell you anything about a player.

Right now Benson looked good, but just scoring isn’t enough you know.

Rays

July 15th, 2012
9:06 pm

I agree there has to be some defense but there is one thing everyone seems to be over looking we do have one center in the trade something we have never had in a long while a 7′ c/pf….
I don’t know how good he is never really watched him play was never that into the nets but if he is better than Collins then Petro will be an asset with Benson and overall with the team as it is now we may have lost iso Joe but look at what we gain overall maybe not the #1 seed but I don’t think we be on the bottom either.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:07 pm

No defense from the Summer squad today, despite them trying to press and double team the Spurs . Jenkins a non-factor so far. Scott struggled early. Benson doing what he always does as an offensive PF/C, making mid-range shots and post ups.

Summer league is usually about showcasing a few guys, while the other guys fit in where they can. We’ll see if more plays are called for Jenkins in the 2nd half.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:11 pm

@ Ray . . . the Summer league squad may be giving us a preview of how the real Hawks will play. Scoring may be up, but defense may suffer with all of the shooters/non-defenders on the team. Josh Smith might have to defensively cover for everybody more than ever.

Melvin

July 15th, 2012
9:12 pm

Just watched the last 5mins of the 1st of the Hawks/Spurs summer league game. Benson and Jenkins look good. Heck, Wannamaker is not bad either…

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:14 pm

I hear you Ray but he just hasn’t shown me anything at all. Ive seen more out of the d league guy Carter than I have from Scott.

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:17 pm

Well nice move there by Scott

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:20 pm

He is rebounding well although his shot isn’t falling.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:20 pm

Hawks looking much better in this 3rd quarter. Defense is a lot better, holding the Spurs to one and done.

Jenkins had a nice series of plays in which he plays defense on one end and helps force a turnover. Then he comes back on the other end, gives a shot fake to his defender, takes one dribble to the side, and casually knocks down an 18 footer. Scott playing much more aggressive too, despite his shot just not being there tonight.

Conner trying to coach a little bit today I see.

Melvin

July 15th, 2012
9:21 pm

Is it me or does Mike Scott doesn’t look that small/undersized.

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
9:22 pm

We should’ve kept Keith Benson last yr over both Collins or Damp. Hes been playing exceptionally well.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:23 pm

LOL @ Rick Mahorn

Talking about the Hawks “missing” with the #2 pick with Marvin, with Deron and Chris Paul still on the board.

We know man. We know.

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
9:24 pm

Wannamaker is very careless with the ball he will be cut hes agressive probally better at sg than pg.

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
9:26 pm

Pass tha ball shurma!

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:27 pm

Keith Benson = Josh Powell

He can make the midrange shot. Just don’t ask him to do anything else, including rebound.

Melvin

July 15th, 2012
9:29 pm

I take my comment back about Wannamaker. He’s a walking turnover…

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
9:30 pm

Benson has to make the team he looks good!

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:31 pm

Jenkins can really shoot it

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
9:31 pm

Bnson looks nothing like Josh Powell….Powell was not athletic and could not block shots and so far Benson inside gm is looking good!

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:34 pm

OMG @ Jenkins

Who shoots a 20 foot jumper on a fast break? Just shot that in dude’s face like it was nothing.

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:35 pm

I actually like the Taylor kid at pg over Wannamaker. Wannamaker has a very shaky handle.

random

July 15th, 2012
9:36 pm

@ northcyde

man i know right no respect at all lol

Rufus1

July 15th, 2012
9:36 pm

Jenkins is the real deal…

Benson is improving his offensive game…. I am impressed.

Benson> Melo

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
9:36 pm

Jnkins has quick release on his shot….hoppefull Drew figures out how and when to play him….I think Danny is going to let Drew go durung the season if starts messing up substitutions again

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:42 pm

I see Josh Smith is at the game

Melvin

July 15th, 2012
9:42 pm

Benson, Scott and (maybe) Jordan Taylor are keepers. I would prefer we keep these guys instead of signing over the hill vets…

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:43 pm

Did I see Josh Smith in the crowd, sitting just below Ferry and Pop?

Melvin

July 15th, 2012
9:43 pm

JSmoove in Vegas sitting near Ferry… Don’t look like a guy thats ready to leave the Hawks if you ask me….lol

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
9:45 pm

Whoever playing backup point is super quick would look better with first unit….They need to let Wannamaker sit or play SG cause he is terrible running offense! Hazell look aight too!

Buddy Grizzard

July 15th, 2012
9:45 pm

Scott plays below the rim. He’s not fast or athletic enough to play small forward. I agree… don’t see him making the team. Benson looks nice, however.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:46 pm

Cant stop Leonard now . .smh

Melvin

July 15th, 2012
9:47 pm

Hawks 2nd unit is getting killed..

ntrigue

July 15th, 2012
9:49 pm

Josh checking out his new teamates its going to be a good yr people! All the doubters will be believers once the eason start and no Joe Johnson to slow up the offense!

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:49 pm

Scott has trouble finishing around that rim

High-sider

July 15th, 2012
9:51 pm

@drmaryb

“…I see you conveniently left out my main ingredient: SIZE? Steal per game is an arbitrary stat in my opinion, unless it leads to points. But, I like your argument being, somewhat supported. Compared to the whole package Joe Johnson brings, these little guards are flea-flickers. Joe could not be guarded effectively when, he imposed his will both outside and inside the paint. He will be missed and, almost impossible to replace with one player, here in Atlanta.

The playoffs will be very difficult for us without a comparable Robin or bona-fide Super-Star.” – drmaryb @3:40pm, 7/14/2012

My post @7:09am [dated 7/14/2012] primarily focused on backcourt duos that had or [I thought] could have both guards to average 18-20+ppg apiece for a regular season [e.g., J. Crawford and J. Johnson, T. Parker and M. Ginobili, B. Jennings and M. Ellis, and R. Westbrook and J. Harden]. I don’t believe I mentioned anything about defense in my post.

When you questioned/inquired about defense, I gave you the Jennings/Ellis backcourt as both Jennings [12th] and Ellis [14th] were in the NBA’s top 20 in steals per game [spg] for the 2011-2012 regular season. To paraphrase, you said spg was an arbitrary stat[istic] but I feel [those] stats that increase your team’s possessions [e.g., steals, offensive and defensive rebounds, (forced) turnovers, etc] and, conversely, decrease your opponent’s possessions are rather important. The more possessions a [basketball] team has translates into more scoring opportunities for that team and vice versa.

I liked Joe Johnson as a Hawks player and I still like Joe Johnson as an NBA player. Joe Johnson was simply overpaid and the result of him [J. Johnson] being overpaid was the fault of Rick Sund and the ASG – not Joe Johnson.

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:52 pm

Yea I didn’t understand why people thought Scott could play sf. I saw him play in college and nothing about his game said sf. His lack of athletic ability and length is going to hurt him.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:53 pm

Just run a play for Jenkins

The Real cp

July 15th, 2012
9:56 pm

Benson has really played well this game.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
9:57 pm

The big white dude thinks he’s a shooter . . but he’s not. NBA 3 isn’t the college 3. He’s one of those “fake 3 point shooters”, as I like to call them. Spent most of his time making 20 foot college 3s, but never shot NBA depth 3 pointers.

random

July 15th, 2012
10:00 pm

I think atl wouldve won that considering leonard played dam near the whole game

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
10:01 pm

LOL . . Wanamaker flirted with a triple-double

9 pts – 7 rebs – 8 asst

Seemed like he had a much more terrible game, because of the 6 turnovers.

kwooden

July 15th, 2012
10:10 pm

Good game, glad Leonard played a lot of minutes because we got to see a least one quality NBA level opponent. Jenkins clearly can shoot the ball and should do well in the wide open NBA game. Also his defensive isn’t as bad as advertised, he’s just not a great athlete. Benson actually dominated the paint and knocked down a lot of jumpers. He’s definitely a guy we need to keep. Scott struggled with the jump shot this game, but was tough on the boards. I hope he can make the team, but I’m not certain there’s a spot for him. We need to find a quality SF, Carter was ok this game, but we clearly need to trade to get one. I hope we’re not getting Korver to fill that spot, because he’s a terrible defender.

GO HAWKS!

SMH

July 15th, 2012
10:17 pm

Final score anyone?

Rufus1

July 15th, 2012
10:23 pm

Fab Melo

Can’t rebound
Can’t shoot
But he is 7ft and can block shots….. 1st rd pick

Benson

Can shoot
Can rebound
He is 7ft and can also block shots… Late, late, late 2nd rd pick

The power of going to a BIG TIME college….Over drafted- under drafted.

Fab Melo will be a bust…. I am so glad Boston drafted that scrub.

random

July 15th, 2012
10:26 pm

SAS 82
ATL 76

Rob808

July 15th, 2012
10:26 pm

What you guys think about us bringing Josh Childress back as small forward? He was just an amnesty casualty for the Suns.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2012
10:27 pm

6 minutes for Pape Sy.

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
10:28 pm

High-sider
July 15th, 2012
9:51 pm

I liked Joe Johnson as a Hawks player and I still like Joe Johnson as an NBA player. Joe Johnson was simply overpaid and the result of him [J. Johnson] being overpaid was the fault of Rick Sund and the ASG – not Joe Johnson.

Joe

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
10:29 pm

High-sider
July 15th, 2012
9:51 pm

I liked Joe Johnson as a Hawks player and I still like Joe Johnson as an NBA player. Joe Johnson was simply overpaid and the result of him [J. Johnson] being overpaid was the fault of Rick Sund and the ASG – not Joe Johnson.

Joe Johnson never dominated a game when the game was on the line. He is not even a top 5 Atlanta Hawk Basketball player..

steven a smith

July 15th, 2012
10:32 pm

Rufus1
July 15th, 2012
10:23 pm

Fab Melo

Can’t rebound
Can’t shoot
But he is 7ft and can block shots….. 1st rd pick

Rufus or Chaka Khan, whatever your name is, Fab Melo will prove you wrong this season!!

BIG DOG

July 15th, 2012
10:32 pm

I can’t see Scott making the Hawks, look horrible in both games so far in Summer league Basketball Camp.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

July 15th, 2012
10:35 pm

Two players Hawks should make a move on.

1. Pietrus

2. Thornton

Hawks have only one SF on this team so far.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Just Joe

July 15th, 2012
10:36 pm

Didn’t like Jordan Williams at all (5 mins). Looked out of shape and passive. Trade him if that’s all he’s got.

Benson should be grabbing more rebounds.

Scott is active. He may just need training camp. Owning his rights gives us time. Benson can be signed by any team at any time.

Hoops

July 15th, 2012
10:38 pm

IMO the two big questions about trading for D12 is this:

1. Would you rather have D12 for 1 year and then have B. Lopez as your 5? If he is going to stick with his demand to go to the Nets, then they will have to S&T Lopez and other players for him. or

2. Would you rather keep Al Horford as your 5 for 1 year and then see if you can get another 5 in free agency next summer to play along side Al?

Andrew Byum will be a UFA next summer. The Hawks will have the cap space to make a run after him if they are interested.

The big question right now is what SF does Ferry trade for after September 11 when all of these expiring contracts are eligible to be used in trades???

Hoops

July 15th, 2012
10:42 pm

It sounds like the Hawks need to go ahead and sign Benson before another team gets him! Go get him Ferry!

BIG DOG

July 15th, 2012
10:52 pm

HOOPS – I say trade for D12 now and then Ball in your court, if D12 at end of season wan’t to still be traded to the Nets then you could do a sign and trade getting Brook Lopez, Gerald Wallace, and Marshon Brooks plus a first.

Hawks would still be in good shape.

The only way D12 will get a 5year Max only in a sign a trade so advantage Hawks.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Najeh Davenpoop

July 15th, 2012
10:57 pm

“Would you rather have D12 for 1 year and then have B. Lopez as your 5? If he is going to stick with his demand to go to the Nets, then they will have to S&T Lopez and other players for him. ”

It doesn’t matter what Dwight wants. He can fall to his knees begging Prokhorov to sign him and it doesn’t matter if the team that has his Bird rights decides not to sign-and-trade him there. If the Hawks trade for Dwight and get him for one year, they can offer him the 5 year max that nobody else can offer and they will only be competing against other teams that have the cap space to offer him a 4 year max. Brooklyn is not one of those teams. They are out of the picture.

J.Stone

July 15th, 2012
11:10 pm

“IMO the two big questions about trading for D12 is this:

1. Would you rather have D12 for 1 year and then have B. Lopez as your 5? If he is going to stick with his demand to go to the Nets, then they will have to S&T Lopez and other players for him. or

2. Would you rather keep Al Horford as your 5 for 1 year and then see if you can get another 5 in free agency next summer to play along side Al?

Andrew Byum will be a UFA next summer. The Hawks will have the cap space to make a run after him if they are interested.”

Id rather have D12 for 1 and possibly more years than to
a) spend another going no where season with Al Hoford, and having to rebuild anyway in 1 or 2 years

Or

b) keep Al Horford then try and get another center to help him. ( what is wrong with this picture?) I dont want to build around Al. he is the reason we need a center… And I sure dont move him to the four to supplant Josh who is a much better power forward. I dont think you get it.Al is a complimentary piece not a center piece. You dont build around Al you add him.

Some how you guys miss the point. It not to stay the same but get better! realizing youve got to move Al from the center spot and then sliding him over to the 4 spot does not make the hawks better. Josh is a better power forward so you keep Josh there. The object is to get better people…..

BIG DOG

July 15th, 2012
11:13 pm

Many Advantage for the Hawks if get D12 now, you could do a sign and trade with Lakers getting Bynum, somebody will give the Hawks a fortune if getting D12 now and not wan’t to stay at the end of the season.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

July 15th, 2012
11:18 pm

My biggest Dream is for the Hawks to sign D12 and CP3 along with Josh and Horford but maybe that’s asking for to much, HA

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

July 15th, 2012
11:22 pm

2013 ATLANTA HAWKS

CP3, Korver, Josh, Horford, D12

Teague, Lou, Pietrus, Ivan, Zaza

Jenkins, Benson, Morrow

This team would win atleast 3 titles.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Mickey Factz

July 15th, 2012
11:24 pm

PG – Teague,

SG – Jenkins

SF – Smoove

PF-Horford

C- Howard

All we have to do is wait till next summer. We have the cap space and the most attractive pieces to win a NBA title immeadetly. All we need is D-12

We will have the best defence in the league and Korver, Morrow, and Williams coming off the bench with hopefully Ivan, Zaza, and Benson

Nasty

J.Stone

July 15th, 2012
11:25 pm

2013 ATLANTA HAWKS

CP3, Korver, Jenkins Josh, , D12

Teague, Lou, Pietrus, Ivan, Zaza

Jenkins, Benson, Morrow

This team would win and beat that weak team posted above

Mickey Factz

July 15th, 2012
11:25 pm

Mickey Factz

July 15th, 2012
11:30 pm

Ferry Will have to first renounce the rights to all of our Free agents next summer in order to sign Dwight and Re-Up on Smoove, but as long as he discusses the vision with the FA’s (Korver, Morrow, Harris) once we sign the top priorities, they should all be ready to sign deals and come back.

Can you Smell what Ferry is Cookin’?

Hoops

July 15th, 2012
11:32 pm

Big Dog,

I agree with you. The only thing now is what deal will the Magic accept to make the trade happen?
Look this over and tell me what you think:

Hawks get D12 (19.5M) plus Big Baby (6.3M) (25.8M Total)
Magic get Horford (12M), Morrow (4M), Petro (3.5M), Farmar (4.25M), Stevenson (2.2M) (25.9M Total) plus a 1st (Nets) and 2nd round pick (2013) and another 1st round pick (2014).

Will this get it done?

Hoops

July 15th, 2012
11:47 pm

Of course the above trade could not be done until September 11.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
11:48 pm

All of this Dwight Howard talk, and not one time has he expressed interest in playing in Atlanta. Not one iota.

That’s why you trade for him NOW, to force him to have 25 million reasons to choose ATL over somewhere else when the season ends. If given the choice, he is NOT coming here.

BIG DOG

July 15th, 2012
11:49 pm

Hoops – Yes would get the Job done But Hawks must be very careful taking on bad contract this year.

Hoops – If D12 sign here trust CP3 will be on his way to play for the Hawks, CP3 have been rumor in looking for a home in Atlanta so why not play here to.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
11:54 pm

And the same goes for Chris Paul actually. No way he simply decides to come to ATL, unless he thinks this team is a legit championship contender. And Najeh is right. We’d have to renounce everyone except Josh Smith, in order to even have a shot to bring those two in.

We would have to recruit Howard and Paul as a package, even before re-signing Smith. The only thing that would bring Howard and Paul to ATL, is if they want to play with each other. Not because they want to come to ATL because of the cap space we have.

northcyde

July 15th, 2012
11:56 pm

Big Dog, a lot of athletes have homes in ATL that wouldn’t even dream playing for an Atlanta team. Why? I don’t know.

Smeer

July 16th, 2012
12:09 am

I watched Mike Scott and from what I saw in the quarter I watched he really stood out. Why is everyone dissing on him so much.

Rays

July 16th, 2012
12:17 am

I hear everyone sweating D12, the thing is it is hard to play with someone with a bad attitude so why bring in that kinda trouble? D12 is all about D12, while he is a great player he is still not a team player and he is spoiled, right now you have players that want to play willing to work hard to be all they can be. No I don’t think so of course I am not management but I know coaching I wouldn’t want D12 unless he humble himself an accept a long term assignment, in the mean time I would go for the next best player Andrew Bynum or someone else….Have everyone forgot so soon we beat Orlando with D12 …..

Grandad

July 16th, 2012
12:51 am

Brig-Jerry

I hope we keep M.Scott around.
Ferry talks about player development;
perhaps Scott sees quality time in the D-League.

Still, I hope we keep him around – solid.
____________________________________________

I see Benson making the team.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 16th, 2012
2:17 am

I hope LD ain’t thinking about putting Pape Sy on the squad.

Jae Evolution

July 16th, 2012
3:51 am

Steve Kyler: Hawks forward Josh Smith says he has not started “recruiting” Dwight Howard, but would be lying if he wouldn’t love it. Twitter

PEDRO EL GITANO

July 16th, 2012
6:19 am

John Jenkins es un jugador maravilloso.Shurna es un pobre desgraciado.Wanamaker es un legítimo base nba y creo que deberíamos firmarle.Jordan Williams es patético.Mike Scott tiene grandes lagunas físicas.Benson no defiende nada pero está dotado de una gran facilidad en ataque.Sy no mira al aro.Hazzel no es mal jugador.En resumen:Creo que Jenkins,Wanamaker y Benson tienen su lugar en el roster final.Repito:Jenkins es un jugador maravilloso.

Melvin

July 16th, 2012
7:42 am

Ray

July 16th, 2012
8:05 am

Alright as it currently stands

There is no way we don’t give Benson a shot at least this year cause I doubt we go after D12 this year.

Something that is highly underrated right now on the blogs is our current AGE of the team. Last year I think we were like the 3rd oldest or one of the oldest teams in the league.

Now we traded old farts for very young guys so again right now if we started the season with say Petro and Benson at Center with Zaza of course we’d be doing 10x better than last year with Damp and Collins.

Honestly if Petro does what Collins did plus a little more he’s already better than him I’m not kidding with that statement.

CDFALCONS

July 16th, 2012
8:06 am

Kyle Korver Why? He can’t defend his shot is suspect, he only hit set shots and the percentage isn’t that high. Josh Childress should be a better fit, at least he can defend and has a decent shot.

vava74

July 16th, 2012
8:46 am

northcyde
July 15th, 2012
9:57 pm

“The big white dude thinks he’s a shooter . . but he’s not. NBA 3 isn’t the college 3. He’s one of those “fake 3 point shooters”, as I like to call them. Spent most of his time making 20 foot college 3s, but never shot NBA depth 3 pointers.”

Salim Stoudamire anyone? Exactly the same problem if don’t remember wrong.

Nonetheless, let’s give all the guys until the end of the summer league before passing judgment since some may still looking to get “loose”.

Scott, for instance, came in as guy who had a deadly jumper and for the moment is not getting it done. Maybe is still adjusting and once he settles in, his shot will start to fall. As for the rest, he seems to put good effort and discipline.

The same could be happening with Shurna, whose highlights showed him shooting often from way beyond the college 3 point line.

Jenkins looks a bit like (not physically, but the speed of the release and easiness) Reggie Miller.

vava74

July 16th, 2012
8:48 am

CDFALCONS
July 16th, 2012
8:06 am

Uh? Childress has one of ugliest shots in the league, if not the ugliest and could not break in the Suns’ rotation.

I liked him, but to say that his shot is better than Korver is just like saying that Romney is an atheist.

glw

July 16th, 2012
8:57 am

@CDFALCONS

Yeah Korver cant defend and JChil might be a better fit, but you need to put that pipe down man, Korver can shoot and Childress cant, and thats a fact!!!

MsDee

July 16th, 2012
9:31 am

“All of this Dwight Howard talk, and not one time has he expressed interest in playing in Atlanta. Not one iota.”

Northcyde, have u ever thought the reason Dwight, Ferry, or even the Hawks ever being in the main talks of getting Howard is because Danny likes to make things happen on the low low? So far, all of Danny’s moves have been completed b4 ever truly being advertised in rumors. Look, Dwight already knows Brooklyn is no more, so why should he be STILL running his mouth to say, “Hay, I want to only play in Atlanta now.” Actually, he hasn’t said much about playing for any other team either. And we all know that Orlando will NOT be his city next season. Im sure his PR or camp has basically told Dwight to just SHUT UP and let the GM’s do whatever they are going to do and you make YOUR final decision after next season what available team u would like to join. That’s the best advice Dwight should be talking right now, not saying Atlanta is NOW on his list of teams. He has no say at this point!

KevinM

July 16th, 2012
9:53 am

I wanted to share some of the luxury tax discussion after the rumors that Houston has the resources to acquire D12 and some of his minions:

“Though the NBA announced late Tuesday night that the salary cap will remain the same as it was in 2011-12, the luxury tax will become much more punitive beginning in 2012-13. Under previous collective bargaining agreements, teams paid $1 for each dollar they went over the tax line.

Those salad days are just about over. Starting next season, the rate goes up to $1.50 for each dollar, and that’s just for the first $5 million. The rate goes up to $1.75 per dollar for the $5 million after that, and increases again with each $5 million — to $2.50, $3.25, and beyond. For repeat taxpayers — teams paying the tax in at least three of the four previous seasons — the tax rate will double beginning in 2015.

The potential effects are staggering. For example, the Orlando Magic were $20.1 million over the tax line in 2010-11, consequently paying $20.1 million in tax. But in 2013-14, being $20.1 million over the tax line will lead to a tax bill of more than $65 million, on top of a potential revenue-sharing payment if the team is in a big market. If such a team is a repeat taxpayer, then the tax bill doubles to $130 million. That’s enough to give even the richest teams pause.

Several new restrictions will make it even harder for taxpaying teams to maneuver. In addition to the financial penalties from the luxury tax, taxpaying teams (technically teams more than $4 million over the tax line) get a smaller mid-level exception (about $3 million this season, instead of the $5 million that goes to non-taxpaying teams), no access to the bi-annual exception, greater restrictions on the salaries they can receive in trades, and starting in 2013-14, no ability to receive a player in a sign-and-trade transaction. Teams with three stars, such as the Miami Heat, will find it difficult to add complementary players (even though Ray Allen just agreed to sign with the Heat for the team’s $3 million mid-level exception).”

So whether he goes to Houston or comes here, ORL will not be able to dump all of their bad deals they have signed with Turk, JRich, etc.
They will be lucky to get rid of one deal and get expirings in return.
And the ASG will no longer be in the business of exceeding the cap IMO.

Saying that, we have a chance to still get D12 and keep Josh, but their deals will hamper the rest of the roster. Unless you do a deal like Miami, its going to be difficult for Atlanta to become a consistent contender.

Whoever gets D12 will have to retool their roster a couple of times during his time there should he move on. If there was a strange scenario that kept him in ORL, they would be beginning their 1st rebuild.

KevinM

July 16th, 2012
10:01 am

On the note that Josh says he hasn’t started recruiting for the Hawks….unless you get Josh on a new deal, he isn’t going to recruit him. The organization hasn’t exactly treated him as the face of the frachise.
Josh is looking out for Josh, and he needs to……it would not surprise me to see Josh consider walking and heading to Houston.
So Danny, if you don’t get D12, you risk losing Josh for nothing, but I will say it sounds like if you’re under the cap, you can do sign and trades which gives Josh the ability to sign a max deal under us to play for another city. You can bet Josh is looking for a max deal as well.

Mike C.

July 16th, 2012
10:27 am

@KevinM

That is true but the problem is there is only a few teams that can give Josh the max with the Luxury Tax Penatlies that starts up next year and the only other team to give Atlanta its run for the money is Dallas. I think if we dont get D12, Josh will be shopped somewhere else, in my opinion.

Melvin

July 16th, 2012
11:00 am

From the Hoopsworld interview with Josh, he seem to keep his thoughts on Free Agency close to his chest. I think it’s a good sign for the Hawks that Josh is in Vegas with Ferry and watching the summer league team. With him mentioning the Hawks cap situation for next season, I think he’s aware of the upcoming plans for the team. With Josh in Vegas and having a meeting with Ferry face to face over the 4th July holiday, I think Ferry has started his recruiting of Josh now.

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Astro Joe

July 16th, 2012
11:11 am

I wonder if Childress will bounce back overseas… he won’t likely get anything more than the vet’s minimum from an NBA team. I liked him as a Hawk but i must admit, Rick Sund got that one right.

I’m not a big believer in the Summer League as a predictor of real game performancve, but how can anyone believe that Pape Sy can make an NBA roster when he con’t even get on the court for significant minutes in the SL? One thing to miss shots or play poorly, something different when you can’t even work up a sweat.

The Real Hawk

July 16th, 2012
11:26 am

Link to recap of Hawks loss to San Antonio in summer league action

http://www.nba.com/summer-league/games/20120715/SASATL/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

BIG DOG

July 16th, 2012
11:43 am

PEDRO EL GITANO – Amigo Jenkins que deberiamos compadra to his game, JUST DAM

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

vava74

July 16th, 2012
11:51 am

AJ,

I think Sy is in LV just to appease LD but Ferry has absolutely no intention to sign him.

And it’s not that he was tearing it up back in France too:

G25 MPG 18.1 PPG8.8 FG% .400 3PT% .390 FT% .740 RPG 2.4 APG 1.0 STL 0.5 BLK 0.1
TO 1.1 FL 1.4

vava74

July 16th, 2012
11:52 am

Ray

July 16th, 2012
12:24 pm

Yeah Pape Sy cool name, but he’s not good, and he’s only there for L.D kind of like Sloan and Wananamker whatever the hell the kids name is lol.

Summer League is pretty much the extended more in-depth evaluation period for H.C and scouts so they can see where players stand playing at other players their level do they rise above or fall below.

In the case of Pape Sy he’s falling way below and in case of Keith Benson so far it seems like he’s rising.

About Keith Benson he’s starting to rub off on me as an Offensive Center which is something I can deal with since we have a Defensive one in Zaza.

I really hope he makes the team.

The Real cp

July 16th, 2012
12:37 pm

The Hawks play the Celtics today at 4 pm on NBATV

Ray

July 16th, 2012
12:48 pm

Cool that should be a good one to really watch for all those people that are Benson>Melo types.

NORRIS CHUCK

July 16th, 2012
12:56 pm

I really think Benson is going to make the team this year. Adding him to Al, Zaza, Petro would give the birds some much needed depth and athletesism!

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 16th, 2012
1:04 pm

Pape Sy is on the third string of a summer league team. SMH

MsDee

July 16th, 2012
1:07 pm

Jason Kidd is retarded

MsDee

July 16th, 2012
1:07 pm

But is lucky to still be alive

Melvin

July 16th, 2012
1:44 pm

Jenkins, Scott and Benson should make the team. I would be okay with Jordan Taylor as the 3rd PG as well. He was rated as one of the top PGs in college before the start of the season last year.

KevinM

July 16th, 2012
2:03 pm

LD obviously has his favorites, so its a good thing that he doesn’t make the personnel decisions.
Sy should never be mentioned on this blog to make this roster. LD spent more time discussing Sy’s improvements this offseason more than he has spoken about anyone else on this team.

Do you folks see why there is so much skepticisim about LD’s decision making?

yoursporthousedotcom

July 16th, 2012
2:06 pm

Hawks are in a great position for next season. There are options now, trade for Howard and sign him long term. Stand pat, sign a SF like Green or Randolph. Give yourself the option to sign either Howard or Paul next season. Harris is on last year of his deal, and I think Teague as well. I like what the Hawks are doing. Finally, we also have some real knock down shooters in Korver, Morrow, and Jenkins. i like the direction we are headed. What about Steve Jackson at SF?

yoursporthousedotcom

July 16th, 2012
2:07 pm

Plus, I think LD is gone after this season. Ferry will bring in a coach that fits his mold.

Melvin

July 16th, 2012
2:20 pm

Sporthouse,

Captain Jax has one year on his contract. I’m ok with bringing in Randolph, Matt Barnes or Childress. I would like to sign Jermaine O’Neal or Ryan Hollins as the last big.

Nite Owl

July 16th, 2012
2:22 pm

Nite Owl

July 16th, 2012
2:29 pm

Does anyone have the skinny on Josh Howard? He’s listed as a free agent, but I don’t know if someone’s picked him up. Is he injured? Too expensive? Over the hill?

I know there was a time when he would’ve been a great pickup at SF. Hadn’t heard anything, though.

RAD

July 16th, 2012
2:32 pm

In my opinion, Josh Childress was overrated the first time when he was with the Hawks. Also, one of the main reasons that he left the Hawks the first time was because he didn’t like playing with Josh Smith. And why do we want Josh Childress back????

Just Joe

July 16th, 2012
2:33 pm

I’m sure Pape’s minutes in the summer league are falling behind because he’s already received a training camp invitation. He’s got nothing to prove in summer league. Right now, Hawks are trying to decide whether to bring Benson, Hassell, Carter, Hazell, Wannamaker, Taylor, or Shurna to camp.

Pape’s already got a new two year contract waiting on him back in France. He’s got an “out” if he signs a guaranteed deal from an NBA team.

Buddy Grizzard

July 16th, 2012
2:34 pm

Has there been any information on the Korver trade? There was a Sunday deadline for Chicago to guarantee Korver’s contract or buy him out. Sorry if this has already been covered. I’m at work and can’t search through the last few pages.

Nite Owl

July 16th, 2012
2:35 pm

Yeah, I agree, a big NO on Josh Childress. Can’t shoot. Too small for SF and too slow for SG.

Give me Grant Hill for a couple of years, though.

Nite Owl

July 16th, 2012
2:37 pm

Buddy, I heard he had his physical scheduled for today. Not sure if that’s what they’re waiting on.

The way Danny Ferry’s been keeping it quiet, though, he’ll probably jump up behind you and announce it in your living room some time later today.

The Truth

July 16th, 2012
2:38 pm

“Do you folks see why there is so much skepticisim about LD’s decision making?” – KevinM

Yeah, LD being so bullish about Sy is an indictment on him but MC as well. The following is excerpts from MC the previous blog (MC also sowhat negative about Benson):


•Pape Sy is back, baby! That’s exciting enough on its own but Sy got me really hyped by showing up looking ripped. Seriously, dude is muscled-up. “I tried to work on my body to get stronger on the court,” he said. “Now I feel great.”
•Larry Drew on Sy: “He’s been in that weight room. He’s gotten stronger. When he goes to the basket, you can see when he takes contact he can still get his shot off. That’s a pro move to take contact and get your shot off.”
•As mentioned a few weeks ago, the Hawks finally have abandoned their plan to try to make Sy a point guard. It was pretty obvious after his first couple of summer games in 2010 that his NBA future is not at the point. “I feel good as a two guard,” Sy said. “I am trying to get to the hoop and I work on my shot. I feel better now. Playing the two may be more easier for me.”
•The Hawks have a hole on their roster on the wing and Sy certainly has the size to play there. He’s always had some potential as a wing defender. Drew said Sy could play some small forward in smaller lineups.
•“Pape has really gotten better,” Drew said. “I’ve always been intrigued by his size, his ability to get to the basket, his strength. He knows how to draw fouls when he goes to the cup. His shot has improved. Defensively he’s aggressive. I think this summer league will be really good for him to see where he measures up at this level.”

•Keith “Kito” Benson is back, too. Word is he looked much the same during today’s scrimmage–timid and getting knocked around–but Benson says he’s gotten stronger and plans to have an “aggressive mindset” this time around.

Buddy Grizzard

July 16th, 2012
2:38 pm

And I agree, Benson should make this team. He needs to bulk up but he knows how to play basketball. I’ll take that over the opposite – Fab Melo – 7 days a week.

Ray

July 16th, 2012
2:51 pm

If Benson continues to play the way he has in Summer League I don’t see why he shouldn’t be on the team we got lucky on Ivan Johnson can we go two out of three lol.

The Truth

July 16th, 2012
2:56 pm

Agree on Benson as well. With the roster as currently constructed, Benson brings some uniqueness to the Hawks with his size, scoring and athletics. The weight will come with his age and conditioning.

He seems to have a Camby-like frame so don’t expect his shoulders to get much broader.

KevinM

July 16th, 2012
3:12 pm

For you guys talking about keeping Benson, I’m on board. I saw Solomon Jones on the Philly team and from where he started to where he is now, he has filled out and has a way of getting on a roster.
I see Benson as this type of guy and if Benson can get to mama’s kitchen and start eating more dumplings, he might find some minutes behind Zaza. He still shows like he can be pushed around. He ought to watch videos of Garnett about how to lean on guys and push against them to gain a position on the floor.

Pape Sy? I don’t need to see another minute of this promotional attempt to create a LD prodigy. He’s a smaller scale of Chills getting people to continue throwing money at him. I don’t see it.

J.J.M.

July 16th, 2012
3:13 pm

*yawns* hawks still havent signed a SF

Buddy Grizzard

July 16th, 2012
3:24 pm

Benson must have read MC’s comment about getting pushed around because he’s seemed pretty aggressive to me in summer league.

Bossmann

July 16th, 2012
3:30 pm

What is the ord on Anthony Randolph? Does anyone know anything?

Bossmann

July 16th, 2012
3:31 pm

The Truth

July 16th, 2012
3:58 pm

“What is the ord on Anthony Randolph? Does anyone know anything?”

I read a host of teams still interested in him including Dallas and Denver, all as a result of the Hawks interest (or so it seems).

Danny is right to stay on the down-low about him. Here’s a related article about Randolph that may lower the expectation about Benson summer-camp performance.

I hope Benson doesn’t follow the Randolph example if he’s selected by the Hawks.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1252922-nba-summer-league-2012-anthony-randolph-and-the-meaning-of-vegas

NBA Summer League 2012: Anthony Randolph and the Meaning of Vegas

The Real cp

July 16th, 2012
4:12 pm

Scott is taking a lot of shots so far but isnt making them

terrell

July 16th, 2012
4:14 pm

I like what see from Jenkins and Scott so far. Scott hits the boards. Pretty good shot too. Ding a good job on Sullinger. Along with Benson.

O'Brien

July 16th, 2012
4:15 pm

AJ,

I liked him as a Hawk but i must admit, Rick Sund got that one right..

I disagree. Dude averaged 10 pts, 6 rebs in 32 mpg, shooting 52% from the field. If he stayed with the hawks, I see no reason to believe Childress couldn’t continue putting up those numbers.

I think going to Greece for 2 years really messed him and his game up (for whatever reason).

doc

July 16th, 2012
4:23 pm

o’b same here. i think we could have gotten more out of him for that period. he finished games, didnt need or want the ball in his hands to get a score and played solid defense on many different types of players. he is older, edging into the thirties so the edge he had and athleticism is going to wane and what he is experiencing.

Rev in Tampa

July 16th, 2012
4:24 pm

“For you guys talking about keeping Benson, I’m on board. I saw Solomon Jones on the Philly team and from where he started to where he is now, he has filled out and has a way of getting on a roster.”

If the Hawks keep ties to Benson until he’s forty then it is guaranteed he will “fill out”. I speak from experience.

Rev in Tampa

July 16th, 2012
4:26 pm

I can’t wait for MC to return to work. Everybody’s talking about the Dwight saga except the AJC.

Ray

July 16th, 2012
4:31 pm

10pt 6reb at 32mpg

@ O’Brien I want you to look back at that again

J.Chills was getting started mins and with nimbers like that if that’s all you’re doing especially if you’re a SF in my town we call you sorry for getting that many minutes and only putting out 10 pts isn’t this the exact reason we put out Marvin just now LOL!

Ray

July 16th, 2012
4:33 pm

@ Rev in Tampa

that’s a good thing I’d rather wait and let Orlando be a fool instead their working on that so far.

J.J.M.

July 16th, 2012
4:34 pm

mike scott has no post game

Ray

July 16th, 2012
4:36 pm

I agree about Mike Scott, but wasn’t he touted for his defense more so than offense?

J.J.M.

July 16th, 2012
4:40 pm

scott reminds me of a low budget haslem with the jumpers

terrell

July 16th, 2012
4:56 pm

Hawks gettin that azz whipped today. Better wake up.

Please cleanse us of these trolls

July 16th, 2012
7:02 pm

M.C. Please cleanse us of these trolls

The Real cp
NORRIS CHUCK
Nite Owl
RAD
Bossmann
J.J.M.

Please cleanse us of these trolls

July 16th, 2012
8:45 pm

Looks like you call out the trolls and people shut up. LOL like the lights coming on in a roach infested house.

Rays

July 17th, 2012
7:59 pm

Benson, Hassell, and Carter would be my choice I would sent scott to the d-league