On hiatus

I’m headed for a few days of R&R. C-Viv is on the beat to keep you updated while I’m away.

The plan is to maintain a space here for your to discuss the Hawks. Be cool, keep it clean and and the forum stays open.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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gtsteven

July 12th, 2012
5:33 pm

First and glad Ferry is on board…

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
5:34 pm

“Los Angeles Clippers forward Blake Griffin hurt his left knee in a Team USA scrimmage Wednesday and is returning to Los Angeles to be examined by team doctors.

Griffin twisted the knee in a scrimmage, a source said. The severity of the injury is unclear. He’s expected to have an MRI, possibly as soon as Thursday.

Griffin injured the same knee in Game 5 of the Clippers’ first-round series against the Memphis Grizzlies.

USA Basketball officials have asked New Orleans Hornets rookie forward Anthony Davis, one of Team USA’s final cuts last week, to report to training camp.

Davis was on his way to Las Vegas on Thursday afternoon after attending a cable TV event in Los Angeles on Wednesday night. USA Basketball managing director Jerry Colangelo told Y! Sports’ Marc Spears that Davis will be available to play in Team USA’s exhibition against the Dominican Republic, but Davis isn’t guaranteed a roster spot if Griffin is unable to participate in the Olympics.

Colangelo said he was surprised that Griffin awoke with swelling in his knee. He doesn’t know how severe Griffin’s injury is.

Griffin signed a five-year, $95 million contract extension with the Clippers this week.”

Daivs against All tonight on ESPN? Hmmmmmmm

@9PM

allan in texas

July 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

Enjoy you vacation MC!

!st

July 12th, 2012
5:35 pm

JaVale McGee > Al Horford

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
5:36 pm

“I’m headed for a few days of R&R. C-Viv is on the beat to keep you updated while I’m away.

The plan is to maintain a space here for your to discuss the Hawks. Be cool, keep it clean and and the forum stays open.”

Enjoy your vacation Sir!

Okay People lets play nice in here!

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
5:39 pm

[Davis]^^^^^^

Will it be like Bill Russel[Anthony Davis] vs. Moses Malone[AllStar Al]?

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
5:41 pm

I hope Al puts on a show for the DR tonight so we can see how healthy he is against other NBA players.
Saying that, I want to improve his value as he is just limited in his role with us.

I don’t think I have ever heard of a team C who couldn’t guard other teams’ C position? He doesn’t want to bang with guys who are bigger than him, hence, we have an overlap of talent at the PF position.

Going forward, D12 needs to sign a long-term deal if we end up dealing for him. I can understand if that’s the approach. Orlando’s bargaining position is limited at this point, and they should just move forward and take the assets offered to them and start promoting their new team…without D12.

I MUS WRITE

July 12th, 2012
5:41 pm

Enjoi yourself MC be safe out there…Cant wait for the 27th Dominican Rep. Yeah Yeah!!!

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
5:43 pm

Slim, I give you props for your admiration for Nicholson, playing SL ball live right now. He is standing out in the SL, and it looks like he will be in the ORL rotation this season.

It’s a shame D12 won’t give this his new teammate a look. They might have ended up being a dynamic duo.

I MUS WRITE

July 12th, 2012
5:44 pm

How do people complain about josh and his BBall IQ but turn around and Yell “Sign Javeel Mcgee” Seriously that boy may have the lowest BBall IQ in the league. I dont want him associated with our team there are better options

I MUS WRITE

July 12th, 2012
5:46 pm

Yeah Kevin M Nicholson got that old school post game -nice footwork.

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
5:47 pm

For those interested should we have an opening at head coach:
“Hall of Famer Jerry Sloan said he interviewed Wednesday for the Portland coaching job but has removed himself from consideration. Sloan said Trail Blazers general manager Neil Olshey flew to Salt Lake City to interview him. However, Sloan called the team Thursday to pull out. “I talked to them yesterday,’’ Sloan said in a phone interview with FOX Sports Florida. “But it just didn’t work out on my part.’’

Wonder what Sloan is looking for to come back and give it another run?
Does he want a superstar in place before he considers a serious return?

Bumpy

July 12th, 2012
5:48 pm

Al Horford is only exceeded by teague for the dumbest players on the hawks. Neither knows when to pass the rock to help the team.

Ill take JaVale over Al any day.

Jason S

July 12th, 2012
5:48 pm

ppg is not the only measure of a player’s worth … it seems we oh so often forget this fact as fans.

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
5:50 pm

IMW, I’m just glad he wasn’t available to pass on him.

Whoever looked at him in ORL sure earned their paycheck drafting him. The previous regime didn’t have a knack for drafting good talent. That roster is such a mess right now.

Ken Strickland

July 12th, 2012
5:50 pm

I’ve noticed JTeague’s name has regularly been included with every trade talk involving the Hawks trading for DHoward. The Magic successfully resigned JNelson, their starting PG the last few yrs. Therefore, with no need for a starting caliber PG, I don’t think they would demand that Teague be included. If the trade involves us taking back Turkulou’s and/or Richardson’s contract(s), I’d offer them Horford, both 2013 1st rd picks, 1 or 2 of our expiring contracts, and nothing more.

hawksfancents95

July 12th, 2012
5:51 pm

have fun MC.

we are obviously good at the PG/SG position, we have no true backup SF behind josh and i refuse to believe deshawn stevenson,anthony morrow, or pape sy can guard these 6′8 long athletes for extended minutes. i see two guys out there that can fill this void; mickael pietrus and cj miles. i would have loved to see gerald green in a hawks uni filling the lanes on the fast break with teague(more like josh) at point and josh on the other wing.

what can we offer the recently amnestied brandon haywood? he could start and let zaza come off the bench(playing more minutes than brandon would overall) but we need a legite 7 footer not 6′8 ivan or mike scott forced to play a position they will be overwemed by. al can get minutes at C when we play smaller teams but to have a 7 footer makes defense better for everone especially if devin harris and louis williams are playing at the same time, we will need rim protection.

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
5:53 pm

Teague is NOT as dumb as Al Horford. Teague just left school early so he seems dumb.In 4 more years he will catch up to the rest of the league. Al, I understand is a project because he had 4 full years so he has no excuse for playing that poorly and selfishly.

I too would rather have JaVale McGee than Al Horford.

BrittishAnger

July 12th, 2012
5:53 pm

Like Lord Quas said…We keep it clean like a public washing machine….

JD

July 12th, 2012
5:54 pm

How will we know the difference with Cunningham being on vacation? Cunningham provides no “news” regarding the Hawks. He barely even goes to the games, everybody knows that. Worst NBA beat writer in the country. Frinkin Mark Bradley does a better job convering the Hawks than this absentee dude…………………

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
5:56 pm

KevinM, Nicholson is already more skilled than any of the Bigs the Hawks have..

This dudes foot work is some of the most advance I have ever seen..Its a gift..A thing of beauty!

His hand,eye, and foot work coordination is a gift that AllStar Al can only dream about.

Watch him shoot the J! Josh can only dream about it….

Barton

July 12th, 2012
5:56 pm

@ MC – I don’t blame you from running from this noise. The fact that I keep coming back to participate seems like self-destructive behavior. On that note…

Darko just got cut!

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
6:00 pm

Ken S, it would be hard to take on Turk’s contract even though we have a wide open slot at SF. That is Marvin-esque.

So if you are offered D12 but you gotta take JRich and Turk, that’s 36M+ coming back to us, yet we are only giving away Al/Harris(worse case)/2 #1s(no big deal to me)/Morrow(4M), that’s what roughly 26M?
Is that a trade that’s even doable? I would think Turk would have to come off, and I would even add Zaza to give ORL 2 frontcourt guys to replace one.
I’m guessing they would rather dump Turk for immediate relief over a guy who can still produce some, JRich.

Ken, are you proposing that deal even if D12 won’t sign an extension?

prison mike

July 12th, 2012
6:03 pm

I’m just hoping Al dominates and make Borlando come to their senses.

Jae Evolution

July 12th, 2012
6:05 pm

What ever happened to talks with Anthony Randolph would’ve liked to see him here.

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
6:05 pm

Dang, Slim, I just saw Nich drop step on Lavoy Allen…..
3D says Nich is ready now…..incredible! 4th game in 4 days.
As 3D says, ‘go to work! I’m ready for the NBA!’.

I like Justin Harper and DeAndre Liggins on ORL as well. That’s a good future with those 3.

High-sider

July 12th, 2012
6:05 pm

@jhan

jhan
July 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

H-S – Compare the last 5 years between the Clippers & Hawks and let me know who has more playoff wins. Can’t believe you are actually going to defend the Clippers!

NBA is a business – I agree. Could that be why Jamal wasn’t resigned here?
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The NBA is a “what-have-you-done-for-me-lately?” league. I’m sure Woody and LD can attest to this. A coach and/or a player has to always be improving/producing in order to attempt to satisfy the ownership. Look at all the COY Award recipients who have been fired (e.g., Byron Scott, Mike Brown, Avery Johnson, Mike D’Antoni, Rick Carlisle, Mike Schuler, Mike Fratello, Sam Mitchell (I think), Bill Fitch, Hubie Brown, etc.) When asked in an interview about how he felt about his current COY consideration status, Woody, who was in his last year with the Hawks, immediately tried to dismiss and avoided answering the question. Woody knows the history of the COY Award as well as various coaches’ fates after winning that particular award.

I do know that the Los Angeles Clippers went from a win-loss record of 32-50 (0.390) in the 2010-2011 regular season to win-loss record of 40-26 (0.606) in the 2011-2012 regular season and a first round playoff series victory.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/coy.html

BrittishAnger

July 12th, 2012
6:06 pm

We got a Johan Petro as a legit 7 footer…He’s got almost double the important back up stats that Jason Collins had last season in less MPG and is eight years younger…Horford for small center, Zaza as the primary but undersized champion of the slot, and Johan as a back up is a pretty legit set of three centers to build the squads around. When you want it big, you run Al at PF like we’ve always wanted of him, and if we can’t find another perhaps pick up Twin for one final run as our fourth string center….We have more than enough pieces to make this team a serious underdog amongst all the odd-ball nonsense happening in the East this year, just a solid wing or two for guaranteed defensive options (I still am gravy on a Raja Bell acquisition) and we’re just as good if we maintain our health as we were last season, with greater flexibility and a more exciting, less Iso-oriented offense….I’m game, let’s see who rusts first….

BrittishAnger

July 12th, 2012
6:08 pm

I also honestly like the idea of this team having the ability to run a 2-3 defensive scheme along with a solid man to man depending on the line-ups….

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
6:09 pm

Yea, I saw that! Thanks to you Sir!

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
6:11 pm

I wish Danny could find a way to get Eric Bledsoe to come here. He would jump into the rotation immediately and help us even if we had to lose Teague.
What does LAC need? Frontcourt help……Zaza for Bledsoe if Zaza isn’t needed for D12.

Soly Fennerroy

July 12th, 2012
6:12 pm

Dwight Howard Rumors: Hawks Not Giving Up Just Yet

Jul 11 8:00a by Kris Willis

Read More: Josh Smith (F – ATL), Dwight Howard (C – ORL), Al Horford (C – ATL), Atlanta Hawks

If we have learned anything from the daily trade rumors and saga surrounding Dwight Howard it is that no team is really ever completely out of the running. The Hawks have checked in with Orlando on Howard and while they haven’t been one of the most prominent teams mentioned they don’t believe that they are completely out of the running either.

Hawks, I’m told, still think they’re alive in Dwight trade chase. With plenty of pieces to offer and Josh Smith to lobby Howard to stay
— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) July 11, 2012

Its really not that far fetched when you think about it. Atlanta has Al Horford who it could offer as the centerpiece of a trade for Howard that would reunite him with his childhood friend in Josh Smith. Atlanta has the room to sign both Smith and Howard to new deals and make them the faces of their hometown franchise.

However, the Hawks are unlikely to include Horford in any trade for Howard without some kind of assurance that Howard would re-sign in Atlanta

NORRIS CHUCK

July 12th, 2012
6:15 pm

“With apologies to Dr. Mary & MsDee, it is like we are willing to get engaged to the most crazy, lunatic-minded, crazy-stare, be-afraid-while-you-sleep, grits-in-the-face-because-you-forgot-to-take-out-the-trash, fine-as-she-wants-to-be-lady in the world who is very likely to leave us standing at the altar. And why? Because we’re convinced that a stable and loving lady won’t ever want us.

This fan base needs some therapy.”

By Astro Joe

Thats gotta be up for post of the year!

The Truth

July 12th, 2012
6:18 pm

Atlanta Hawks Get Trade Exception

The Hawks dealt Joe Johnson to the Brooklyn Nets which yielded then a $5 million trade exception.

The team is expected to sign Lou Williams with their Mid-Level Exception which will lock in a hard cap of $74.3 million.

Before re-signing Ivan Johnson (presuming they do), the Hawks have about $62.3 million in committed salaries including Williams.

Recently acquired Guard Jordan Farmar is expected to be bought out of his $4.25 million contract for $1.5 million which will add even more spending power . . . although look for the Hawks to spend carefully with an eye on cap room after this coming season.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-players-give-back-57-million

Regarding a D12 trade, exception can be traded like players. We could include some exceptions to balance the trade between Orlando. But the way Orlando has been turning down offers, I doubt they’ll be interested. But I could be wrong.

Indecisiveness between D12 and Orlando has made everyone look stupid who attempts to predict a likely outcome.

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
6:19 pm

If Al is the type of punk Amare said he is, then why dont we get Amare?

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
6:20 pm

In Other News:

“Nike is cutting one of its last remaining ties to Joe Paterno — removing his name from the child care building on the corporation’s campus.

The move comes just hours after independent investigators revealed the former Penn State coach helped cover-up facts about the Jerry Sandusky child molestation scandal.

Nike President Mark Parker said in a statement, “With the findings released today, I have decided to change the name of our child care center at our World Headquarters.”

Nike founder Phil Knight added, “It appears Joe made missteps that led to heartbreaking consequences.”

PSU sports teams have been outfitted by Nike since 1996.

And to think, some people actually tried to vouch for this monster?”

He covered this ish up for at least 14 years that was reported.. Gut says longer…Just sick…….

What if it was his own kids? hmmmmmm

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
6:22 pm

NEW YORK — Atlanta Hawks forward Al Horford doesn’t know what Amare Stoudemire meant when he said Horford “don’t want to see me” on the court during Wednesday night’s Knicks-Hawks game at the Garden

“I don’t understand what he means by that, ‘He don’t want to see me,’ ” Horford said Wednesday morning after the Hawks’ shootaround

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
6:26 pm

Not basketball news, but Zaza has been up at Harvard working on his after career:
“In June, business owners from around the world came together at Harvard Business School to take part in a three-day seminar titled “Leading Your Small Business Through Its Lifecycle,” where students learned best practices for managing their small businesses. Joining them at Harvard was Atlanta Hawks center and Buckhead Bottle Bar owner, Zaza Pachulia. Over the course of the three-day seminar at Harvard, Zaza worked through “real life” case studies related to small business ownership alongside the other 60 students in the class. The class required each student to dissect three case studies per day, finding creative solutions to everyday situations in a variety of business platforms. Leading the class was Professor Richard S. Ruback who stated that Zaza “actively contributed to class discussions, showed a real passion for learning and gained a lot from his time at Harvard.”

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
6:26 pm

Air Zaza

July 12th, 2012
6:33 pm

Did some fool just say Javale McGee>Al Horford then say McGee is more smart. We really have some of the dumbest fans in the NBA by a mile. Just flat out retarded fans. Ying Yang Twins riding the short bus type of fans.

The Truth

July 12th, 2012
6:34 pm

Houston to use the amnesty on Louis Scola

http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/40990/houston-to-use-the-amnesty-on-louis-scola.html

If there is a player the Hawks need to pursue hard its Scola. This guy is the most productive post-up player in the league. He would compliment the Hawks frontline nicely.

Air Zaza

July 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

Ray is an idiot. What the hell is wrong with you son? Al Horford is our best player by a mile. He is better than anyone on this team and was better even when we had Joe. Why are you talking down on him for?

steven a smith

July 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

Atlanta Hawks

On hiatus

5:21 pm July 12, 2012, by Michael Cunningham

Have a fantastic vacation. Big Love for the work you do. Godspeed.

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

Can we move Devin Harris in a deal this summer? I’m thinking we have to wait 60 days? If we have to take back a bad contract, that might be a limitation.

KevinM

July 12th, 2012
6:40 pm

Truth: “If there is a player the Hawks need to pursue hard its Scola. This guy is the most productive post-up player in the league. He would compliment the Hawks frontline nicely.”

Danny might agree with you on this one….he’s 6′9″/245, a very good FT shooter and he’s 32 years old. We should find room in the frontcourt for him.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Rockets will soon have the space to absorb Orlando’s Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, Chris Duhon and Epcot Center.:)

The Rockets are going for D12 big time now……

Buddy Grizzard

July 12th, 2012
6:43 pm

The Hawks dealt Joe Johnson to the Brooklyn Nets which yielded then a $5 million trade exception.

The team is expected to sign Lou Williams with their Mid-Level Exception which will lock in a hard cap of $74.3 million.

Before re-signing Ivan Johnson (presuming they do), the Hawks have about $62.3 million in committed salaries including Williams.

Recently acquired Guard Jordan Farmar is expected to be bought out of his $4.25 million contract for $1.5 million which will add even more spending power . . . although look for the Hawks to spend carefully with an eye on cap room after this coming season.

Additionally, the NBA sent out last year’s tax bill and the Los Angeles Lakers were hit with a league high $12.6 million luxury tax. Five additional teams will pay as well: Boston Celtics $7.4 million, Miami HEAT $6.1 million, Dallas Mavericks $2.7 million, San Antonio Spurs $2.5 million and Atlanta Hawks ($666k). Taxes need to be paid into the league by July 20th.

The total tax bill for 2011/12 season was $31,971,788. The payments will be used in full, just this one time, to help fund the league’s revenue sharing system. In the future, the CBA calls for only 50% of the total tax payments will go to revenue sharing. The remaining 50% will sent out to each non-tax-paying team in equal shares.

That might be why the Hawks weren’t as concerned about their slight tax bill as they’re not losing out on the team distribution by being over.

- Eric Pincus, Hoopsworld

steven a smith

July 12th, 2012
6:46 pm

NBA.com, SI.com, hoopshype.com, Foxsports.com, all have the NEW UPDATED ATLANTA HAWKS ROSTER,. This is almost as exciting as the Beginning of the NFL season opener!!!
No Marvin AND No Joe. ESPN has to get on the ball and update their Website..

SuckerFree

July 12th, 2012
6:48 pm

lol @ Zaza being undersized…..7 foot 275……banger

TD

July 12th, 2012
6:51 pm

What does it mean when they say terms of Lou Will deal will not be disclosed , per team policy? Will we ever know his salary?

steven a smith

July 12th, 2012
6:55 pm

Please make a strong move for Anthony Randolph. This guy will be able to play the 3 and 4.

Raymond

July 12th, 2012
6:57 pm

JaVale McGee and Josh > Al Horford and Josh.

steven a smith

July 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

Hawks are now a Low-post scorer away from moving past the 2nd round. Especially if they can swing a deal for Kyle Korver.

BENCH-Ivan, Korver, Jenkins, Jordan Williams, Zsa Zsa, Morrow, Lou Williams, Devin Harris and FA Small Forward. Mike Scott will prob. be cut.

steven a smith

July 12th, 2012
7:03 pm

Louis Scola was just ammnestied. Surprising move..

donte080

July 12th, 2012
7:04 pm

re: “Jamal Crawford averaged 14 PPG last season”-High-Sider

All the while shooting a blistering .384 from the field..that’s Jordan Crawford territory, my man…

Raymond

July 12th, 2012
7:11 pm

Smith, whose contract expires after next season, expressed his concerns about the team’s direction in a recent meeting with Ferry. The Hawks GM in turn told Smith his short- and long-term visions for making the team a contender.

Ferry acknowledged meeting with Smith last week.

“It went great,” Ferry said. “It went fine.”

Ferry declined to elaborate on any details about the conversation with Smith but, speaking generally about the effects of major trades on players, said there can be shock initially.

“If changes are made there is a sense of loss because relationships get built in this business,” Ferry said. “It takes time for everyone to adjust.”

If Smith was stung by Johnson’s departure, it would make sense on a couple levels.

For one, as mentioned, the Hawks right now have less talent than at any time during their five-year playoffs streak. Smith has told the team he wants to be traded to a franchise he believes is more serious about playing for championships. That’s certainly part of Ferry’s long-term plan but the Hawks took a step back in the interim.

The other factor is Smith had a solid relationship with Johnson, who was Smith’s longest-tenured teammate along with Zaza Pachulia and Marvin Williams. Smith was in his second season when Johnson arrived in Atlanta with the expectation of being the team’s star. Smith and Johnson’s strong chemistry on the court was obvious, too, with Smith often looking to pass to Johnson in transition or spotting up in the half court.

Rod from College Park

July 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

“All the while shooting a blistering .384 from the field..that’s Jordan Crawford territory, my man…”

It’s also Lou Williams, Deron Williams, Nick Young, OJ Mayo, Brandon Jennings and Danny Granger territory. I guess you don’t like any of those guys either huh?

SuckerFree

July 12th, 2012
7:14 pm

I agree with Steven a smith…..need Anthony Randolph badly

Barry

July 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

“Hawks are now a Low-post scorer away from moving past the 2nd round” – Pot head

Hawks need a defensive minded center to defend the rim in half courts sets of the Playoffs.

SuckerFree

July 12th, 2012
7:17 pm

But of course I’m Steven a smith

LMC

July 12th, 2012
7:28 pm

Enjoy the time off. Your coverage of the last few weeks has been A+ and appreciated by all.

vince

July 12th, 2012
7:28 pm

If the hawks are fortunate to get howard, do you think he will play his best for a team it was reported he didnt want to go to in the first place? I hope with all of the stalled talks he somehow lands in the ATL. If he does and they get chris paul next year we will have a big three in ATL and will in a championchip.

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
7:30 pm

The never ending NBA trade rumors surrounding Dwight Howard will seemingly continue as the summer moves along, but who will finally end up with the current Orlando Magic star? Howard says it’s Brooklyn or bust for him, but recent rumored talks have heated up. Could the Magic man be headed somewhere else?

Reports have Howard going to Los Angeles, Brooklyn, and any other city you can think of. Well, what about Chicago?

Talk about making a team instantly able to compete with the Miami Heat!

The latest rumor doesn’t have the big man landing in the Windy City, but if Bleacher Report is correct, and the Bulls jump into this trade party, it would make Chicago a much deeper team in the fall.

According to Bleacher Report: The Hawks would get Dwight Howard and Carlos Boozer.

The Chicago Bulls would receive Hedo Turkoglu, Jason Richardson, Glen Davis and Quentin Richardson while the Orlando Magic would get Al Horford, Kyle Korver, Richard Hamilton, and a first-round pick from Atlanta and a first-round pick from Chicago.

That sounds like the Bulls would make out nice!

Right now Chicago is 9/2 to win the 2012-13 Championship. Adding veteran talent, along with a healthy Derrick Rose could be what the Bulls need to get back to their championship ways.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

Did some fool just say Javale McGee>Al Horford then say McGee is more smart. We really have some of the dumbest fans in the NBA by a mile. Just flat out retarded fans. Ying Yang Twins riding the short bus type of fans.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ray

July 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

Okay people keep knocking on Horford, but still don’t understand dude only played 14 games all year. I’m a Josh fan through and through, but I’m not going to be stupid.

We got to the playoffs when Al got here not before and Josh was on the team before Horford again I say we’re better off with both Josh and Horford then most people seem to comprehend or even understand.

Ray

July 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

@ Big Ray

I’m not going that far I’d love to take a shot at Javale Mcgee, but in no way I’m I ever going to say Mcgee>Hoford not now or ever possibly.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

Speaking of damn funny, I see some folks are never going to get over the Hinrich-Jamal-Lou Williams thing. Damn, poor Lou…he hasn’t even practiced as a hawk yet, and already he’s being drawn into inane debates…

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

Ray ,

I have nothing against McGee…but that post was just too damn funny. It was the analogy itself that caught my eye, not the basis for the argument, which I am not going to join in with….

Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:01 pm

@ Big Ray

Okay always good to have you on the blog to show these people a thing or two.

As for the Hinrich-Jamal-Lou-Marvin Whatever lovefest these people having I’m not in that anymore either I’m tired of it.

Quite honestly how do you criticize someone who has yet to play in the Hawks uni?????

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

We got to the playoffs when Al got here not before and Josh was on the team before Horford again I say we’re better off with both Josh and Horford then most people seem to comprehend or even understand.

Indeed, we very well may be. I felt like Joe became such a ball stopper that it was hurting more than it was helping a lot of times. I blame that on coaching as much or more than I do anything else. I mean, what else can you say? Either ISO Joe (and ISO Josh, and ISO whoever) was the game plan, or guys were “going rogue” and getting away from the gameplan all the time. Guess what? It doesn’t matter, because either way the biggest influence on the situation comes from coaching.

If the guys were constantly getting away from LD’s gameplan, then that means one thing – he’s an ineffective, inept, incompetent coach. Period.

Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

I do agree with that I’m not very supportive of L.D what so ever. I’d sooner have Casey or Sloan(if he would come here) be coach instead I was pretty sold on Dwayne Casey though.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Ray ,

Thanks…I’m just another fan with an opinion…some folks think more highly of themselves…I can’t speak for them (nor do I want to).

As for the ongoing Jamal-Hinrich-Marvin…..I mean damn…those guys don’t even play for the team anymore, how is it we can’t get past this. But I’ll tell you why – because some folks just can’t . All they know how to do is be negative about something ….ANYTHING…so long as they can be negative. I felt the same way many times when ownership/management kept doing the same crap, but I was usually able to find something a little bit positive somewhere.

But now….we have a competent GM doing things that needed done some time ago. And he’s not done by a long shot. So there’s reason to have some hope and quit hanging on to the problems of the past…. particularly when they aren’t here to be problems any longer .

But like I said earlier…just the opinion of another fan…

GT Alum

July 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

Sounds like Brooklyn’s out of the Howard sweepstakes unless he starts the year in Orlando – http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=8159324.

Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

Still though I feel like so far this 2012 version of the hawks in many ways is a bit better than 2011………………………wait a minute trying to figure out if I can say 2011 season did start Christmas Day.

Nevermind, but we don’t know what any of these guys got also we don’t know if Ferry is even done I’m going to be patience with him more than I was with Rick Sund.

Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:16 pm

@ Big Ray

Can you blame them in some ways though. I mean in our history in ATL we’ve never been to a ECF or a NBA Finals.

When teams like Sacramento and New Jersery have been to WCF and NBA finals respectively what does that make us look like?

We (Atlanta) make ourselves out bigger than we should sometimes and while the mid 80’s and 90’s were a great period for us we still didn’t get to the ECF or Finals for that matter.

Where as teams like Rockets, Magic, Heat, Knicks, Cleveland, Bulls(MJ I know), OKC, and Sacramento technically have a better history than we do. Oh forgot New Jersery and Suns.

These teams all have better history than we do and they’ve at least gotten to a WCF or ECF if not Finals game.

So again in some ways I don’t blame them ATL is a city of Mediocrity dare I say North GA is really. That’s harsh, but even over here in the other A-town(Athens) Bulldogs done settled for it as well.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:19 pm

I was okay with Casey as well. I kinda wondered if Avery Johnson was a good choice, but in retrospect I’m glad he’s not here. I think there is a time and place for being firm, but that dude strikes me as being confrontational. I think it’s partially what got him canned from Dallas. It’s certainly contributed to Stan Van Gundy’s demise in Orlando.

That doesn’t work well in the NBA. You have to be smarter than “I’m gonna crack the whip, and you’re gonna jump when I say so.”

At the same time….

“If you don’t hold your team accountable, then you lose credibility and your team will be spoiled.” – John Brady

Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:24 pm

With a quote like that it really applied to the Washington Wizards very badly lol.

Still just doing quick research it sucks how relevant we are in history in our ATL history we join the ranks of the Toronto Raptors and T’wolves in terms of achieving anything at all.

When teams like Sacramento which is a laughing stock right now or even Wizards have more credibility then we do that ish hurts man lol.

J.J.M.

July 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

what does queef mean?

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

Ray ,

I get your points, but we can surely remember the Braves being good and some nice years for the Bulldog nation under Vince Dooley.

Again, I get your points….but should we continue to hash over what has happened when possibilities and opportunities exist? I think both the Falcons and Hawks have a chance at good and great things, though right now the future of the Hawks is less certain than that of the Falcons. We shall see.

We all choose to feel about it how we want, in the end.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

I don’t have time for a “woe is us” mentality. It’s just sports. A pasttime. A hobby. Entertainment. Doesn’t feed my family or clothe them, or shelter them. It’ll be alright.

O'Brien

July 12th, 2012
8:46 pm

To be fair,we got to the playoffs not just because of Al, but also because we traded for Bibby. If we dont trade for Bibby, I dont think we would have made the playoffs.

Remember, we gave up scraps to get him, and he contributed that year by providing some stability at PG.

O'Brien

July 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

Rod,

None of us are GM’s, but how was Rick supposed to trade Hinrich when there was a lockout, so no NBA business until December, and Hinrich wasnt expected to play for another 2 months?

And why mention trading for an injured Dwight in the same sentence as trading for an injured Hinrich? Poeple would take a chance on Dwight,, because if and when he is healthy, he is arguably the best center in the NBA. Kirk wasnt even the best PG or best SG on the Hawks team.

And even if Rick had traded Hinrich, it would not have allowed him to keep Jamal, because we would have to take salary back in a Hinrich trade.

Jamal was only here for 2 years, and has already been gone 1 year, but yet he continues to dominate the blog (along with Kirk).

Astro Joe

July 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

So Houston can put together a Big 3 next summer also. Scola will be a good get for a team, I always liked him coming off the bench and provided some crafty big man low post points. I wonder if the Raptors will take a shot at landing him. They are building a nice roster up there for Dwayne Casey.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:09 pm

Guess I’ll watch the U.S. vs. DR game.

In the meantime, those Rockets are really something. Just amnestied Luis Scola. Desperate times…

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:11 pm

They want Dwight (or Bynum) so bad, they’ll do anything it takes. Daryl Morey doesn’t do stuff like this for no reason.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

Al Horford drawing fouls…

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

There he goes with that “stare down the opponent for a few seconds before trying to make a move”…..FAIL…hate when he does that.

The Truth

July 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

Amnesty Claim on Scola Prohibitive

“As confirmed by cap guru Larry Coon, a player with a partially guarantee salary requires a minimum bid of the non-guaranteed amount. Scola is set to make $9.4 million and $10.2 million over the next two years. His final season is for $11.0 million with just $1 million guaranteed.

Therefore a minimum amnesty claim for Scola would start at the non-guarantee portion of exactly $10,041,037, per year”

http://www.hoopsworld.com/amnesty-claim-on-scola-prohibitive

If the Hawks were interested in Scola, waiting for him to show up in the dollar store (clearing waivers) makes the most the sense.

Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:15 pm

@ Big Ray

I know the Hawks future is extremely bright and really it’s brighter than it is under this GM then it has been the last 10 years.

I don’t discount what Joe Johnson and crew gave us, but I’m saying Danny Ferry is more active without being too active he’s not Otis Smith and he’s not Rick Sund he’s smart he knew this culture needed a tune up even said so in the interview.

As for Luis Scola say what you want, but I wouldn’t mine picking him up then again him and Horford seem Redundant in some ways.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

U.S. defense is nasty. So is our fast break.

Meanwhile Iggy strips Horford as he makes his move to the basket.

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

All NBA at the 4 matched up against Lebron?? Not fair…

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

As for Luis Scola say what you want, but I wouldn’t mine picking him up then again him and Horford seem Redundant in some ways.

I wouldn’t turn my nose up at Scola. He always played well against US….

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:19 pm

Oh hell, there went the damn party…

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:23 pm

Al showing some grit down low. Got fouled on the offensive rebound and putback attempt. Gonna need a lot more of that from him, but the DR has no chance. USA defense is so versatile, everybody’s a ballhawk, we are light years ahead of this team.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:24 pm

Durant is straight murder from 3 point range.

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
9:26 pm

C’mon All dont give so easy on the low block against Love! Drop step his azz.

C’mon man…

doc

July 12th, 2012
9:30 pm

Rod from College Park
July 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

“rod you never answered my question. as i said you couldnt so you wouldnt. i’ll repeat it for you, who would take an injured hinrich? i also credit hinrich as a gamer and baller to come back way ahead of schedule form his shoulder repair. even you legitimately cant take that away from him. he could have collected a paycheck and waited it out is my guess.”

I’m not qualified to answer your question doc. I’m not a gm. Being injured does not prevent you from being traded. There seems to be a lot of noise and waiting around for Dwight Howard, a guy coming off back surgery to be traded. We all said Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams could never be traded, and look what happened. You will have to ask Rick Sund that question. All I know is he was an expiring contract who could have been moved in order to make room for a guy who could contribute.

hilarious rod, you cant answer because you arent a gm but know there is some way a gm could do it because it was a last year contract besides the point we have to take back salary and there still wouldnt be money for jamal, no? gm’s know that and you dont, tell me now how do we swing it?

huh?

also, so coming off back surgery, where d12 will be completely healed by the next season and able to be evaluated by docs now for the level of healing that should be complete before a trade is made? now how is that similar to the hawks and hinrich? you are aware that by now d12 has probably completely healed ? jerry rice did it in football in one season rememeber. d12 should be in training now unless he had nerve damage, which hasnt come out yet like peyton did.

again, rod are using that for comparison to where we were last year with hinrich a few weeks out of surgery and you were legitimately expecting a trade of that kind of player? you are aware that shoulder surgery takes longer to heal than routine back surgery? when was the last time a player that was on the injury list was traded that was ever able to perform again at the beginning of a season? yes, i know our own hawks trade for an individual injured but he was never play again, was insured, was bought out and it was into the season.

you will have to give me an example of one time a trade was made that would require a team to pay salary for a player on the injured list one year if you are going to use that argument, besides the real funny point you made that you arent a gm. you along with the rest of us criticize gm’s right and left so your thoughts are now invalid because you dont know what they know. you arent a coach and that doesnt slow you down in criticisms either as to what should be done. if you arent a gm then dont say marvin shouldnt have gotten his money because you obviously dont know the whole storysince you arent a gm. you cant use the argument on one and not the other rod.

are you pulling my leg to fall for those excuses to not answer the question? you dont think there is some passing of medical data back and forth on this before d12 signs any contract. wow apples and oranges and you do understand the complexity in a shortened acquisition time frame for any talent last year? you dont have to be a gm to understand that do you? rod i expected you to be a more stand up guy than that. you said it, i didnt, you are not qualified.

High-sider

July 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

@O’Brien

O’Brien
July 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

Rod,

None of us are GM’s, but how was Rick supposed to trade Hinrich when there was a lockout, so no NBA business until December, and Hinrich wasnt expected to play for another 2 months?

And why mention trading for an injured Dwight in the same sentence as trading for an injured Hinrich? Poeple would take a chance on Dwight,, because if and when he is healthy, he is arguably the best center in the NBA. Kirk wasnt even the best PG or best SG on the Hawks team.

And even if Rick had traded Hinrich, it would not have allowed him to keep Jamal, because we would have to take salary back in a Hinrich trade.

Jamal was only here for 2 years, and has already been gone 1 year, but yet he continues to dominate the blog (along with Kirk).
——————————————————————————————–

Portland was extremely frustrated with Raymond Felton’s performance at the point guard position this past season and even tried to participate in a 3-team trade that would have sent Jamal Crawford to MIN, Michael Beasley to LAL and Steve Blake [back] to POR. The proposed 3-team trade was not executed and, as a result, failed due to financial reasons. After Hinrich fully recovered from shoulder surgery, Rick Sund should’ve tried to swap Crawford for Hinrich straight up since POR was desperate for a point guard or at least a combo guard with rather extensive point guard experience to replace Felton and since the Hawks needed another proven scorer heading into the playoffs due to the Al Horford injury. The first half of last season was proof that Marvin Williams was not up to the challenge as being a reliable scorer for the Hawks.

What’s ironic is that the Hawks recently signed Lou Williams during free agency after he had a disappointing playoff performance this past post season but could’ve had Jamal Crawford all along. Lou Williams is basically a smaller [and younger] version of Jamal Crawford. Both players [J. Crawford and L. Williams] are “sixth men.”

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

All’s “stare down” = Lacks confidence, See how quickly he gives up the rock most of the time when he has one on one coverage.

5 years and nothing new there….

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
9:34 pm

[give up]^^^^^

jjm

July 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

My god horford is garbage. His value is going down

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

Al plays like hes gay. Hes a bad image for this team. Man has no fortitude .

doc

July 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

heh heh at o’b, didnt see your same points or i would have saved the time and effort, logic dont work bro. he is trying to be as slippery as rick sund. not sure but did you say earlier sund maybe was doing the basg bidding only? maybe it was as much he was always telling them what they wanted to hear that works well especially in a very self centered narcissistic organization mirroring.

Rob

July 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

watchin USA basketball. Big Al lookin like hot garbage

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

Doc ,

Logic is only a weapon against those who recognize it….

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

John Calipari says he’s turned AllNBA loose. He’s handling the break and shooting 3’s???

Oh man Larry you in trouble now! lol…

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:41 pm

Did I just see Al draw a double team on the drive and pass out to somebody who hit the open 3? Nah…must have been somebody else.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:42 pm

LD is always in trouble.

Now Al will want to dribble the entire court and shoot 3s.

Oh wait, I forgot only Josh is allowed to do that and have fans ignore it. Al should know by now that this double standard exists…

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Yea we know he avg 3 assist a game in 2011..Yawn

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Boring….I think I’ll tune in when TEAM USA faces a team that’s an actual challenge. DR can’t deal with these guys.

Durant’s out there playing a game of HORSE with the DR…and it’s from the same spot every time…LOL

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
9:44 pm

Thats right All can play the pt. 5. I almost forgot…hahaha

jjm

July 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

Wow horford didn’t post up deron williams?

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

The best thing that could happen to the Hawks is if we are able to get some thing of substance for
Al, Its pretty clear that the guy is clueless. Its one thing that he has very limited skill sets but the Dude is really very Dumb. He would be better if he could think his way out of a wet paper bag.

Buddy Grizzard

July 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

“Oh wait, I forgot only Josh is allowed to do that and have fans ignore it.”

Hawks at their best according to LD. Do you like how Ferry is sending LD a message, saying the Hawks will play more through their guards this year?

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
9:49 pm

Well the main thing is if he can fool Orlando, then we have a chance….

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:50 pm

Buddy ,

I love it. Sund was all about “uhh….I’m leaving that up to the coach…ask him…” because he knew Gearon hired LD against his recommendation and without considering his opinion (translation: yes man).

Ferry has already talked about actual strategy in that one simple statement. You gotta love that.

Rob

July 12th, 2012
9:52 pm

Al doest have the Rank Josh does. and looking at this sick display he doesnt have the skills either. No wonder we were a better team with out Al last year.

Big Ray

July 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

Buddy,

Hate to leave you with fools and ghouls, but I gotta run, bro’.

As for the two-headed, six brain-celled monster you seem to be running into here on a daily basis – just remember….never argue with an idiot. They’ll take you down to their level and then beat you with experience…. ;)

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
9:53 pm

HEY AL WHAT THE HECK WAS THAT?

Rob

July 12th, 2012
9:55 pm

I like that Ferry came in and hinted he was trying to build around Josh. Brought in all the ATL homies and is going after D12. He has pretty much told Al hes trade bait. Al seems ok with it so cool Every body happy.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 12th, 2012
9:56 pm

The Houston Rockets official Twitter feed just followed Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon, and Glen Davis, for whatever it’s worth.

ejh

July 12th, 2012
9:57 pm

ESPN.com is reporting talks of a 3 way trade for Howard between Houston, LA, and Orlando have cooled, while trade with the the Atlanta Hawks is gaining steam.

TrollsRsoDumb

July 12th, 2012
9:58 pm

” Al doest have the Rank Josh does. and looking at this sick display he doesnt have the skills either. No wonder we were a better team with out Al last year.”

Hawks made it into the 2nd round of the playoffs and won two games with al horford 2 years ago. Hawks got bounced out of he first round with an unhealthy al horford last year. last year was a lockout shortened year with a lot of teams struggling and only hitting their stride by the time the playoffs came along, which is why the hawks were so good during the regular season but got beat down in the playoffs. Wow you is dumb.

Rod from College Park

July 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

The more Al plays without good players around him, the less chance we have of trading him for Dwight.

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

Man Al is a PF and the man is not dumb. He is one of the only dudes on the team that shows any passion and acts like he wants to win for the hawks. Josh Smith stagnates the offense at times by just going one on one and taking horrible jump shots that he don’t have any business taking. Teague can be better, but it seems his teammates don’t trust him and his coach or somebody won’t let him run the offense. Get a legit rim defending center, move horford to the four, get josh to stop thinking he Lebron James, and let Teague penetrate and open up shots for other players.

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
10:01 pm

Like slimjr and Rob was saying Al is clueless, I Just hope he can fool Orlando in to the trade.

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
10:03 pm

Actually the Hawks missed ZaZa possibly more than Al after Duck broke his foot near the end of the regular season..

IMHO, they would have beat Boston in 5 with a healthy ZaZa…

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:03 pm

Ray C how is he clueless

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:04 pm

Al aint Dumb, hes just acting that way for now to prevent the trade from going down. Once the trade passes over Al he wont look as dumb. Thats just an act.

TrollsRsoDumb

July 12th, 2012
10:04 pm

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8162111/source-los-angeles-lakers-looking-antawn-jamison-elton-brand-jermaine-oneil

A person can only hope for this to be true. Maybe then some of deez trollz will shut up and go home or get a job instead of using dey moms computer while getting welfare checks.

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:04 pm

Everybody ignore the dumb plays and shots josh take, but Al gets called clueless, why.

sRob

July 12th, 2012
10:06 pm

The hawks played great with out Al whose career play off average is 11pts. LMFAO.

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:08 pm

It amazes me how hawks fans want the hawks to trade for howard for a season, where he probably wont play the whole season. Then he leaves us gutted in next years free agent period. I don’t want too rent Howard.

TrollsRsoDumb

July 12th, 2012
10:08 pm

” Actually the Hawks missed ZaZa possibly more than Al after Duck broke his foot near the end of the regular season..”

How would you know that unless dey played with Al but not zaza you is so dumb. The team missed zaza more because he was the only other center who could play and when your only two centers are not at health then of course you miss them. Nobody cares about those other two bigger crypt keepers on the bench who are useless and hope ferry never signs them back.

TrollsRsoDumb

July 12th, 2012
10:09 pm

“The hawks played great with out Al whose career play off average is 11pts. LMFAO.”

Hawks pounded in first round of the playoffs and you say it was great, wow TROLLSRSODUMB

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
10:09 pm

Al is a darn 2 time Allstar. [Cough]..

He’s held to a higher standard…..

Now the question that was proposed the other day by Northcyde is he a legit Allstar? Hmmmmm

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

I rather have al than josh smith on the hawks.

joey1

July 12th, 2012
10:13 pm

al is not playing like garbage his team is garbage he wa not decent players around him to set him up he has even been handling the basketball like pg would that is ridickolous and the usa team has them way out matched

point is

July 12th, 2012
10:13 pm

I wish yall would stop calling Al gay and saying he dumb and skill less. Al aint that bad. He was in the same category as Marvin, who wasnt that bad but never lived up to his potential.

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
10:15 pm


Source: Lakers target big men
Updated: July 12, 2012, 8:55 PM ET
By Dave McMenamin | ESPNLosAngeles.com

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Dwight Howard isn’t the only big man on the minds of the Los Angeles Lakers’ front office staff these days.

One source familiar with the trade negotiations said Thursday that calls between the Houston Rockets and Lakers discussing a three-way trade have cooled, while the Atlanta Hawks appear to be gaining steam in their pursuit of Howard.

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With Howard’s eventual destination still anybody’s guess, the Lakers are turning their attention to adding a backup big man or two.

The Lakers remain in negotiations with Jordan Hill, who averaged 4.7 points and 4.4 rebounds in seven regular-season games with L.A. after being acquired from the Houston Rockets at the trade deadline in March. Hill’s agent, Bill Duffy, told ESPNLosAngeles.com on Wednesday that there was still some distance between the two sides, but he planned to circle back with Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak before Hill made his final decision. The Lakers hold partial Bird rights to Hill and can offer him a maximum of $3,632,450 per season for up to five years.

Aside from Hill, appearing on the Lakers’ “short list” of names they are hoping to add to the roster for the veteran’s minimum are Antawn Jamison, Elton Brand and Jermaine O’Neal, according to a source familiar with the team’s thinking.

The Lakers also have the “mini” mid-level exception available to them, beginning at $3 million a season, but prefer to hold off on using that in case a Howard deal goes down involving multiple players and they are left needing to fill a glaring void.

Not only is adding a backup big man a priority because signing Hill might not work out, but because Josh McRoberts and his expiring $3.1 million contract have drawn interest from other teams in potential Howard trade scenarios.

Jamison, 36, averaged 17.2 points and 6.3 rebounds last year for Cleveland in his 14th season in the league, but shot a career-low 40.3 percent from the field.

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He was acquired by the Cavaliers via trade in 2009-10, the last season Lakers coach Mike Brown was at the helm for the Cavs. The Lakers are in competition with several other teams for Jamison’s services, including Brooklyn, Golden State and Charlotte, and a source close to Jamison said on Thursday the Nets appeared to be his preferred destination at the moment.

The final one-year, $18 million remaining on Brand’s contract was amnestied by Philadelphia on Thursday. Brand, 32, averaged 11.0 points and 7.2 rebounds for the 76ers last season. Brand will be first made available to teams under the salary cap through the waiver process, with under-the-cap teams able to bid on him. Dallas is under the cap and has interest in Brand, according to ESPN.com’s Marc Stein.

If Brand clears waivers, he will be free to sign as a free agent wherever he chooses and could decide a return to L.A., where he played for the Clippers for seven seasons, would be in order.

O’Neal, 33, played just 25 games for Boston last season, averaging 5.0 points and 5.4 rebounds before having his year end because of left wrist surgery. The market for O’Neal is not as robust as it is for Jamison and Brand and the Lakers figure he could be worth the risk if he can come into camp healthy.

O’Neal recently traveled to Germany to visit Dr. Peter Wehling, the same doctor who Kobe Bryant has consulted in recent years. O’Neal is also a member of the famed 1996 draft class, along with Bryant and Steve Nash. Bryant said that draft connection helped in convincing Nash to want to come to the Lakers.”

DANNY is the man!
Thanks for the link TRD!

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:15 pm

exactly joey1

ryan

July 12th, 2012
10:15 pm

I hope we get Howard could Lou Williams , Josh Smith , D12 with Atlanta connections be playing in there home town together may happen don’t want get ahead my self here though .

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:17 pm

I would like to get Oj Mayo if we can keep from overpaying him. He is young, athletic, and very skilled. He can create his own shot and still has star potential.

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

IF DWIGHT DOESN’T COMMIT LONG TERM THEN WE SHOULD NOT TRADE FOR HIM.

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:19 pm

Id rather smoke 3 Joints than 1, hell, Al won the MVP of the whole dam super bowl

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
10:21 pm

Al just shot a 3pt airball???????????? Are you kidding?

skydub

July 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

Josh shoot 3 point air balls all the time in nba games. Lol.

jjm

July 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

Horford is playing like this on purpose so we won’t get traded

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:24 pm

Its the coaches fault, its the fans, fault, its Amare’s fault, Its the former coach’s fault its the other players fault, its the refs fault, its joe mama fault it all yall’s fault.

LEAVE AL ALONE ~!!!

ground

July 12th, 2012
10:27 pm

Al is brainless, what the hell is he thinking? Hes trying to block the trade.

Clarification

July 12th, 2012
10:29 pm

“After Hinrich fully recovered from shoulder surgery, Rick Sund should’ve tried to swap Crawford for Hinrich straight up since POR was desperate for a point guard or at least a combo guard with rather extensive point guard experience to replace Felton and since the Hawks needed another proven scorer heading into the playoffs due to the Al Horford injury.”

Perhaps by then Sund had noticed the addition by subtraction of Jamal on defense. Better by 2.6 ppg. Why? No swinging gate.

ground

July 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

Why are All the Al supporter Attacking Josh when Al fcksUP? that s hit dont make no sense. Josh is not out there fcking up that Al fcking up. again. Trying to tear smoove down wont pick Al up idiots.

cb

July 12th, 2012
10:33 pm

shut up sky!

FreshmakerGT

July 12th, 2012
10:33 pm

Horford’s had a lot of nice passes tonight, and has crashed the boards well. Those of you that want to just get rid of him are beyond dumb. If D12 signs an extension, then by all means get him. Other’n that, no thanks. I’d rather keep our All-Star Center.

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:37 pm

Thats an easy one. We dont want Josh to look so good while Al looks bad so all we have to do is attack Josh to keep him on Al’s level…

Duh

ATLREB

July 12th, 2012
10:44 pm

This was just on hoopshype….

Dwight Howard isn’t the only big man on the minds of the Los Angeles Lakers’ front office staff these days. One source familiar with the trade negotiations said Thursday that calls between the Houston Rockets and Lakers discussing a three-way trade have cooled, while the Atlanta Hawks appear to be gaining steam in their pursuit of Howard. ESPN.com

Bandit

July 12th, 2012
10:45 pm

If we get howard for 1 year and he bolts and we have to rebuild that the same fcking thing we are going to do Al loses out again. Al cant get us out of the second round and weve be going backwards the rest of the league is moving forward. Keeping Al guarantees we will be in the lottery in 2 years. so there is no difference than if Howard leaves or if we keep Al either way we are rebuilding in 2 years

Id rather take my chances with Smoove, D12 and the ATL posse.Fck Al

The Principal in "Billy Madison"

July 12th, 2012
10:46 pm

@RayC:

What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Nah, just kidding. What I meant to say is, I respectfully disagree with your poor opinion of Mr. Horford.

Tommy

July 12th, 2012
10:48 pm

anybody that would rather have javale McGee over Al Horford knows absolutely nothing about basketball.

Melvin

July 12th, 2012
10:51 pm

The Team USA practice on NBATV is better than their actual game against the Dominican Republic on ESPN…..

sky

July 12th, 2012
10:53 pm

Its the coaches fault, its the fans, fault, its Amare’s fault, Its the former coach’s fault its the other players fault, its the refs fault, its joe mama its kobes fault it all yall’s fault.

LEAVE AL ALONE ~!!!

Grimey

July 12th, 2012
11:01 pm

Sy and Benson should be signed

Ray C.

July 12th, 2012
11:02 pm

The Principal in “Billy Madison” Ok I can take it. roger that. You disagree. Have a great night.

Bandit

July 12th, 2012
11:06 pm

Wow JaVale McGee averages 3.4 blocks per game and that doesnt include the shots he altering… Hey how about Al how my blks alters?

1

what you kidding

doc

July 12th, 2012
11:08 pm

rod and on a lighter note. this was printed by the ajc regarding the trades and what the hawks have to make up as they redesign and reinvent themselves parting company with jj and marvin:

“Williams was one of Atlanta’s best rebounders and his combination of size and athleticism allowed him to defend small forwards of any size.”

does this mean sport south has to do a few more up close with the hawks? gosh, i hope so. the only two i ever saw were of those two guys.

thrown up yet? heh heh

I MUS WRITE

July 12th, 2012
11:11 pm

I guess we can stop including Al in trades now ……..GM’s around the league are watching him stink it up on national TV right now. His trade value is plummeting.

Amare may be on to something……Sigh

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
11:20 pm

I MUS WRITE, that was brutal…He should have stayed home and watched it on TV like the rest of us…

AllStar? Just blank!

Ken Strickland

July 12th, 2012
11:26 pm

FRESHMAKERGT-Please keep in mind one thing. There is nothing you can say, nor any amount of common sense you can express, that will stop these HORFORD HATING MORONS and their HORFORD HATING BS. Just let these monkeys do what they do and move on.

tidog

July 12th, 2012
11:35 pm

Horford is the only Hawk with a championship pedigree. Haven’t had a chance to see the game but since he’s the only NBA baller on team Dominica playing against all NBA ballers the handwriting is on the wall. Some Hawk fans turn on the Hawk players like UGA fans turn on the Dogs.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 12th, 2012
11:40 pm

“Iguodala is the most popular 13 PPG player in the NBA. I don’t get the fascination”

Because he does everything else well. Great passer, great defender, good rebounder, good ball handler. He’s the ideal 3rd option on a team that has two scorers.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 12th, 2012
11:41 pm

“does this mean sport south has to do a few more up close with the hawks? gosh, i hope so. the only two i ever saw were of those two guys.”

Haha. I’m pretty sure they showed At Home with Jeff Francoeur last year, so I wouldn’t be surprised if we got plenty more of Marvin.

tjhook

July 12th, 2012
11:44 pm

If we could get Andre Iguodala for Al Horford, I would take that deal. Al did okay tonight for the Dominican Republic, but he proved he is a complementary player who needs an explosive athlete to feed off of. I also like him better at the center position because he is quicker than many of the other C’s he would face. At power forward, he becomes just another guy. Good player, not elite. Best thing about Al is his toughness and versatility.

tjhook

July 12th, 2012
11:46 pm

By the way, Josh Smith can get his own shot more frequently than Horford, plus he’s faster up and down than the court on both ends than Al. Needs to be coached up and if he doesn’t respond, shipped out. But ONLY if he doesn’t respond to better coaching.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 12th, 2012
11:46 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

July 12th, 2012
11:49 pm

“If there is a player the Hawks need to pursue hard its Scola. This guy is the most productive post-up player in the league. He would compliment the Hawks frontline nicely.”

Not with those rebounding numbers, he’s not.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 12th, 2012
11:50 pm

I didn’t see this Team USA – Dominican Republic beat down, but y’all need to chill on drawing conclusions from games played under FIBA rules. Totally different ball game. Also not entirely fair to expect elite production from Al when he is surrounded by players like Francisco Garcia. We all know he is not a go-to offensive option, but that doesn’t mean he sucks.

JProc41ATL

July 12th, 2012
11:52 pm

If we sign Luis Scola and trade for Kyle Korver, our team this year will be better than last year’s plus there is still a chance to sign a superstar (Chris Paul) to put this team over the top in 2013-2014!

Slimjr

July 12th, 2012
11:56 pm

“If we could get Andre Iguodala for Al Horford, I would take that deal.”

I would not do that move.

Again name calling is counter productive…

random

July 13th, 2012
12:01 am

Someone tell me why are people saying we should get Scola no defense playing as$

Rob

July 13th, 2012
12:06 am

The funny thing is, Philly fans hate Iguodala as much as some of these Hawks fans hate Horford. Yet the outside perception of both players is much more favorable.

Very ignorant to judge how one guy does against a team of all stars and hall of famers. This isn’t the And 1 tour, kids. I don’t recall much offense from Josh or Joe against the Celtics in that entire playoff series. Just a whole lost of bad jumpers and turnovers.

tjhook

July 13th, 2012
12:06 am

@slimjr,

I look at what Iggy could do for us which is create a scoring opportunity for himself and play off of members of the backcourt. Al is a good defender – sometimes very good – but we need him to protect the inside and be a force on the board and a secondary force on the offensive end. He consistently does not do this. For that reason I say he’s tradeable, particularly for someone who has a skill that is hard to come by. Iggy has the elite skill of athleticism (jump high, strong, quick feet).

Rob

July 13th, 2012
12:08 am

“Again name calling is counter productive…”

But you are calling Horford, one of your team’s players, out of his own name. That is hypocritical and immature.

Rob

July 13th, 2012
12:10 am

“If we sign Luis Scola…”

If I’m not mistaken, the Hawks don’t have any cap room to submit a bid.

Rob

July 13th, 2012
12:14 am

“Al did okay tonight for the Dominican Republic, but he proved he is a complementary player…”

I think everyone in the NBA knew the Hawks are/were a team full on guys who aren’t built to lead a team long before this game. Joe, Josh and Al would all be #3 options on a championship level club. The fact that over the years each of them has had an opportunity to “lead” the team in the playoffs and neither was good enough to get them beyond two wins the 2nd round proves they are backseat guys. The Hawks need at least two elite Top 10 level players to be taken seriously.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 13th, 2012
12:23 am

Iguodala is every bit the complementary player Al is. Trading Al for Iguodala doesn’t do much for this team, although it is great for Philly because they have a logjam at SF.

Iron Mike

July 13th, 2012
12:26 am

“IMHO, they would have beat Boston in 5 with a healthy ZaZa…” – Slimjr

They would have lost in five if Horford didn’t bottle up Rondo at the end after Josh’s dumb turnover.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
12:27 am

I’m gonna leave AL Horford alone until the season starts.

Rob

July 13th, 2012
12:35 am

“Iguodala is every bit the complementary player Al is. Trading Al for Iguodala doesn’t do much for this team, although it is great for Philly because they have a logjam at SF.”

Oh I agree, Moultrie, Harkless and Young who also could end up at the 4. But let’s be honest, Hawks fans will turn on Iguodala like Philly fans did when he doesn’t score like a superstar every night We saw it happen to Joe, Josh and Al. Instead of accepting to player for the little things they do on the floor, they are judged against the ELITE players because that seems to me all the fans care about.

High-sider

July 13th, 2012
12:38 am

@Clarification

Clarification
July 12th, 2012
10:29 pm

“After Hinrich fully recovered from shoulder surgery, Rick Sund should’ve tried to swap Crawford for Hinrich straight up since POR was desperate for a point guard or at least a combo guard with rather extensive point guard experience to replace Felton and since the Hawks needed another proven scorer heading into the playoffs due to the Al Horford injury.”

Perhaps by then Sund had noticed the addition by subtraction of Jamal on defense. Better by 2.6 ppg. Why? No swinging gate.
———————————————————————————————–

Hey, Clarification, tell me what do you “get,” when you SUBTRACT a “2012 Hawks first round playoff exit/elimination [without Crawford]” FROM a “2011 Hawks second round playoff exit/elimination [with Crawford]“? I get [(a) DIFFERENCE of a] “Hawks post season performance regression.” Think about it.

Rob

July 13th, 2012
12:38 am

People went from thinking Jeff Teague is the franchise savior in the Bulls playoffs series to wanting him shipped out after his first full season as a starter. This is how the fans think.

Rob

July 13th, 2012
12:41 am

“Someone tell me why are people saying we should get Scola no defense playing as$”

He would be a steal at the cost some team will get him after amnesty, and even though he is agingm Scola would have the highest offensive bball IQ on our roster as of today.

Larry Drew

July 13th, 2012
12:44 am

I just can’t understand why everybody thinks I’m dumb as a stick. I,m smarter than any stick.,Buddy G, stick up for me I got you the great Kurt H.

Jae Evolution

July 13th, 2012
12:50 am

Greg Oden is apparently feeling good and wants to play THIS season. I don’t care what his history is this guy when healthy is one of the best defensive Centers in the NBA and I wouldn’t mind if we at least made a call for him.

http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/07/12/12/Oft-injured-Oden-wants-to-play-this-seas/msn_landing.html?blockID=759814&feedID=3722

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
12:51 am

Rob you can call it what you want. It won’t change the way your guy is playing…

BTW, Al is a 4th or 5th option on an ECF team at best..

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
12:54 am

The Hawks need a rim protector and a SF who can take the offensive load off the guards…

Give Oden a work out and see want he can do…

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
1:22 am

“If there is a player the Hawks need to pursue hard its Scola. This guy is the most productive post-up player in the league. He would compliment the Hawks frontline nicely.”

“Not with those rebounding numbers, he’s not”

Scola ranked 56 out of all 478 NBA Players during the 11/12 regular season under new coach K McHale. He ranked 32 out of 192 forwards the same season.

Under the previous coach (Adelman) 10/11, he ranked 30th out of all 452 NBA Players and ranked 17 out of 188 forwards that same season.

Respectable rebounding numbers considering the availability of the FT market; His post-up game is superior to Ivan Johnson. He is ranked 20th in scoring among all forwards in 11/12.

If Danny was fortunate to get him at the dollar store off waivers it would be a nice pick-up.

TMACfan

July 13th, 2012
1:25 am

I’m on team Oden (if the price is cheap)

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
1:28 am

“FA market”

Fitz

July 13th, 2012
1:54 am

First time ive been on this forum, and I can’t believe the stupidity.

1. You would rather have Javale McGee than Al Horford? Horford is a 15 and 10 guy who plays average defense. McGee is a 10 and 8 guy who doesn’t take advantage of his great athleticism. The only thing McGee is better at is shot blocking. Literally the only thing. And that is because he is constantly getting out of position on D to go for highlight blocks.

2. Why does everyone think we need to get rid of Al to make big moves in free agency? Even if we keep Al we will have plenty of cap room to re-sign Josh, go after a Chris Paul/Dwight Howard type player, and give a guy a $7-9 million dollar deal (a Gerald Wallace or Ilyasova level player) A team with Horford as option 3a or 3b sounds good to me.

3. Why do you guys want Scola? The Hawks need to get tougher down low. Al isn’t gonna muscle anyone around and Smith doesn’t have quite enough size. Pachulia isn’t a starter. A front line of Smith, Horford, and Scola would get CRUSHED by bigger teams. If we are gonna sign a post player, he needs to be defensive minded. Scola is all offense

4. Are we really gonna act like Al is a bad player because of this game against team USA? He was the only NBA talent on his entire team unless you actually count Francisco Garcia. And this is only his 4th basketball game in the past year. Al cannot function as #1 option, and nobody has pretended he can. Not even himself. Not to mention he was going up against Love, Davis, Chandler and Lebron, and Igoudala at times down low. Im sure everyone is still bitter about the missed FTs in game 6 of the 1st round. But Al was the whole reason we even got it to a game 6. And he did it at less than 100%. Give him some credit

Rob

July 13th, 2012
2:21 am

“Rob you can call it what you want. It won’t change the way your guy is playing…

BTW, Al is a 4th or 5th option on an ECF team at best..”

Slimjr, what do you mean “your guy”? You are a Hawks fan. Horford has helped your team accomplish some good things since being drafted. Before he was drafted, the Hawks were pretty much garbage and alaughing stock. Horford has said that he wants to be here in Atlanta and hep build a winner, and in spite of being dangled in trade rumors, he hasn’t complained once about it to my knowedge.

I personally do not care about any of the players, but why are you using immature nicknames and distancing yourself from a player who helped your team like that over the past few years and actually wants to be here? You realize Atlanta isn’t exacty a destination market for most top end talent right? You guys need to recognize where you stand and appreciate the ones who aren’t asking to be traded to better sports markets, since that’s the en vouge thing in today’s NBA.

Fitz

July 13th, 2012
2:31 am

What the Hawks need to do is be patient, don’t sign any free agents for more than 4 maybe 5 million a year and wait til next year to make big moves.

The only notable FAs the Hawks should go for are Humphries or Scola if we can get them for around $5-6 million a year, Jordan Hill for a little less than that, or Alonzo Gee for around $3-4 million (I think he would be a great fit), or Courtney Lee for around $5 million

I would not touch Anthony Randolph for more than $2 million

Fitz

July 13th, 2012
2:54 am

And for people who would rather have Javale McGee mainly for financial reasons, Denver is offering him a 5 year contract at $10 million a year. If the Hawks wanted him, they would need to probably offer him about $14-15 million to scare Denver away from matching.

And none of you can honestly think Javale McGee is worth more money than Al. If they could get Javale for like $8 or $9 million to replace Al, then ship Al for more assets or a non protected pick from a bad team, then maybe.

But if they gave Javale $15 million and kept Al then they would either have to let Smith go and hope Howard or Paul signs knowing Horford/Mcgee would be the next best players on the team or re-sign Smith and miss out on the elite FAs next year.

Even if they were to get rid of Al, Javale would be the #3 or 4 player. You aren’t winning any titles if Javale has to be that important. I would much rather stand pat right now and go after Chris Paul at PG and either Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Serge Ibaka, or Nikola Pekovic down low. Or Steph Curry or Ty Lawson at PG with Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum down low.

Going after McGee this year is a huge risk. You are basically putting your hopes in him reaching his potential rather than having a crazy amount of cap room for a great 2013 FA class

Rob

July 13th, 2012
3:07 am

Forgot Mcgee, we need a star, a difference maker, and a brain transplant for Dwight Howard so he can wake up and stop makin foolish decisions. He need to drop his team of suppporters are check them like Michael Vick and Lebron had to do. They are giving him bad advice or he just doesnt get it.

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Fitz

July 13th, 2012
3:19 am

@Rob
Im not sure i would even want Dwight even if he was willing to sign an extention at this point. I would much rather throw the farm at Chris Paul or Andrew Bynum (if he stays healthy next year) and either get Al Jefferson, Paul Milsap, Serge Ibaka, or maybe Pekovic to join Paul or get Ty Lawson or Curry to join Bynum then add in a good role player like Tony Allen, Taj Gibson, Kevin Martin, or even Manu if he is cheap enough

Rob

July 13th, 2012
3:28 am

is James Harden a free agent next year? If so James Hardin and Dwight for the Max

John

July 13th, 2012
3:29 am

It seems today, that all you see, is violence and movies and sex on Tv…..

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
4:10 am

Perry Jones at the 3 would look good right now.

Agent Orange

July 13th, 2012
4:16 am

“Perry Jones at the 3 would look good right now.”

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19545670/nba-scout-perry-jones-iiis-knees-will-hold-up-for-only-34-years

“…So what’s the big deal with Jones’ knees? They looked pretty alright in his first game Monday and for two years at Baylor? Would 24 teams really dare pass on him just because of that? Well, consider this from Seth Davis of Sports Illustrated CBS Sports: “NBA scout told me today his team’s docs believe Perry Jones’s knees will only hold up for 3-4 years in the league. Explains why he dropped. …”

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:28 am

“If we could get Andre Iguodala for Al Horford, I would take that deal.”

The only reason Lou Williams opted out of the final year of his contract, became an unrestricted free agent and ended up on the Hawks is because Iguodala disrespected him to the media, saying he “can’t guard anybody.”

That’s how we took the leading scorer away from one of our Eastern Conference playoff rivals. No way in hell does Danny Ferry then turn around and further disrespect Lou, who took less to sign with the Hawks, by bringing Iguodala here. I can’t wait to see the Hawks play the 76ers and watch Lou light them the f up.

brigadierjerry

July 13th, 2012
5:40 am

FItz,

Agree on your 1:54am post. Al Horford is who he is. I do not understand the Al Horford hate and here is the thing. If AL Horford sucks or is no good to some then then why would when the Hawks team loses a game he would be the root cause of it if he sucks.

As I stated before Al Horford is Buck Williams and is a 3rd option on offense at best. As long as most can realize and understand that, take Horford for who he is. I dont have a problem criticizing him when he has a bad game but a lot of posts on this blog suggests that he sucks is just wrong.

vava74

July 13th, 2012
5:55 am

Clutch stats 2011/12 (per 48 minutes of clutch time)

Lou Williams posted decent, but not great numbers.

His best stat is FTA, where he ranked 8th.

Points is good too at 14th.

Interestingly enough, although a streaky shooter, Morrow posted excellent stats in the clutch, being 16th in points per 48 minutes of clutch time which is certainly due to Deron’s excellent play making skills.

Other interesting stats:

FTA: last year, JJ and Josh split evenly the shots in the clutch and both posted excellent numbers.

Josh and Zaza were elite rebounders in the clutch, proving to be a good tandem.

As a testament that Barnes would be an excellent pick up is the fact that at 6′7” and from the SF position posted better rebounding numbers in the clutch than Josh and Zaza, by far the best rebounder/size ration in the clutch last year.

vava74

July 13th, 2012
5:57 am

Barnes also posted better block numbers than Smoove in the clutch (3.4 / 3.3) which is again, an incredible stat and a testament of the type of guy which Barnes is.

Given these stats and his ability to play very good D, he would be my preferred pick up for the SF slot, however, I don’t expect him to be available as I am convinced that he will re-sign with LAL.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
7:58 am

High-sider,

Rick Sund should’ve tried to swap Crawford for Hinrich straight up since POR was desperate for a point guard or at least a combo guard with rather extensive point guard experience to replace Felton and since the Hawks needed another proven scorer heading into the playoffs due to the Al Horford injury..

Now this move I can agree with (at the trade deadline).

However, I think there were 2 potential mismatches here. 1) To make the salaries work ($5 mil for Jamal, $8+ mil for Hinrich), Hawks would have to take Jamal + filler from Portland and 2) Hinrich was expiring, whereas Jamal had a player option for a second year. I think the Hawks would have preferred an expiring contract to free up space this offseason.

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
7:59 am

Like someone hea stated that Lou put up his nimbers against reservers (which of course isn’t true), I don’t know if Barnes is capable of being consistent every night.
At at vet minimum cost, yes, Barnes may be worth it for the sake of just pushing Josh back down on the block. But having Barnes and Stevenson in the lineup at the same time hinders your offense also.

I have always liked Barnes and Pietrus; its just so many years have passed that they can help in spurts, but probably not consistently.

I still think it’s Al or Josh that needs to go to formulate a consistent Top 5. We still need to push to improve our starting 5 right now….

Teague / Stevenson / Josh / Al / Zaza – not exactly putting much worry into the Heat, Nets, Knicks or Bulls.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
8:01 am

Najeh,

I would trade Al for Iggy IF I am confident that Josh will resign. Al wants to play PF, but Josh is a better PF than he is. So if we can get 2 decent centers (Kaman, Dalembert, Zaza come to mind), I would make that move. And with Josh and Iggy on the squad, that would help our team defense a lot.

Doc,

Denver offered McGee 5 years, $50 mil, which seems to be the minimum going rate for bigs. McGee had his issues in Washington, but in Denver, there didn’t seem to be any issues.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
8:05 am

From ESPN.com;

Sources told ESPN.com that the Rockets, should they go ahead with their widely reported plans to release starting power forward Luis Scola via the NBA’s amnesty clause, are prepared to absorb the contracts of Jason Richardson, Glen Davis and Chris Duhon — in addition to sending Orlando multiple future first-round picks and recent draftees — to give the Magic an opportunity to wipe their payroll virtually clean for their post-Howard rebuilding effort.

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey is feverishly trying to construct a trade that will allow the Rockets to take back, in addition to Howard, some combination of Richardson, Davis, Duhon and Hedo Turkoglu. The Rockets believe that, with Scola’s three remaining seasons valued at roughly $21 million off the books, that they can create the requisite cap space to do so.

Bucher reported Wednesday that the Atlanta Hawks continue to pursue Howard via trade as well, but one source described Atlanta as “not the best option” for the Magic..

Houston appears to be going ALL-IN in a big way. And why would Dwight want to stay in Houston?

doc

July 13th, 2012
8:05 am

for the right terms i would like scola and barnes for this team. both are scrappy hard working players and barnes on a one year deal with the opportunity to get a lot of play time to show he still has some of the qualities he had in orlando could work very strongly in our favor. scola, zaza, al and josh would be the four best bigs we have had in the last ten to fifteen years. barnes would bring a toughness and style to the hawks that marvin could never achieve. i dont think we would be miami beaters but could maybe scare them and a lot of other teams. if we got d12 for some lucky reason they would round it out extremely well and might be world beaters.

mcgee offered 10 mil says they like him and good for him. it also suggests they may think he is smarter and more grounded folks here are saying. if someone offers him more then that is their problem and that team is one we dont need to worry about. i like seeing teams make stupid moves that cant afford to throw money and bad because in the end they are weaker as long as our own gm plays his cards smart.

Ken Strickland

July 13th, 2012
8:06 am

Because Horford doesn’t do a good job of protecting the rim, as some self appointed genius claims, he’d trade him for Igoudala in a heartbeat, like Igoudala is going to do a much better job of protecting the rim than Horford. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
8:06 am

Say ORL takes on Horford…they know he’s a role player and he needs to play PF, not C. They would have to demand Zaza as well so they can form a frontline that is competitive with Big Baby at the 3. To me, it’s not all-star, but its better than D12 and no help at the 4. They messed up by not filling the easiest position in the league at PF in ORL.
What help has D12 really ever had? Not a lot inside, and only Rafer Alston on the outside, who was the catalyst getting them to the Finals that year. Buddy pointed that out a few blogs ago.

D12 and Josh would be formidable out of the gate IMO. Give them a playmaker and use Lou and Morrow as bucket fillers, and that’s a competitive team.
If Danny is thinking D12 is still an option, you gotta get defensive at the 3 and if there are any guys that frustrate LeBron, you go try and get them. I’m not concerned as much with Wade and Bosh.

I would rather take JRich than Turk’s deal on any day. Turk’s is painful in the short run and JRich still may be at this level in his 3rd year. His FT% is awful, and his minutes will need to be scaled back from 30 per game.

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
8:08 am

OB, sounds like its going to be the Houston Magic, with Duhon at point.

And how receptive would D12 be to play for McHale, the guy who handed Boston their last championship by moving Garnett?

doc

July 13th, 2012
8:08 am

yeah o’b funny we are again in parallel posting similar things simultaneously. it seems a good offer based on past performance. what do you think?

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
8:10 am

Danny won’t take on more than 1 bad ORL contract…I can be comfortable with that prediction. And they have a lot of bad ones.

vava74

July 13th, 2012
8:29 am

McGee flourished in Denver, putting good numbers and playing more composed.

He is talented and his childishness overrated IMO. However, I don’t think he will never be a world beater, but he will certainly have a long career and probably even achieve some accolades along the way (all defense teams, all star appearances, …).

Who, at his age, could remain sane and balanced whilst inserted in that roster of nincompoops which WAS had?

Ken Strickland

July 13th, 2012
8:43 am

The Rockets can afford to go all out to rent Howard for 1yr, since they have no talent at this point and will stink up where ever they play. Are they really dumb enough to think Dwight will want to sign or play for a team with hardly any talent, and certainly far less talent than his Magic team, which he felt wasn’t talented enough?

I hope this DHoward crap comes to an end soon. I wonder if Harris or Morrow will start at SG. It will also be important to determine who starts at SF. Will it be someone from our current roster, or a FA signee? With Teague, Harris, Williams, Jenkins, and Morrow, this team will have some serious backcourt speed, quickness, athleticism, penetrating and scoring ability, and certainly geared to play uptempo.

Changing from a half court oriented OFF to a full court uptempo OFF will increase our ability to overcome JJs lost points, along with having a scorer like LWilliams coming off the bench. Actually having 3 guards that can effectively play PG will improve this team tremendously.

The ability to have at least 2 quick, fast, penetrating PGs on the floor at any given time will make it much easier for our frontline players to get easy inside scoring opportunities.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
9:06 am

This could very possibly end up as a three way trade with Dwight coming to Atlanta, Horford going to Houston, bad contracts going from Orlando to Atlanta and Houston and picks going from Houston and Atlanta to Orlando.

LJ

July 13th, 2012
9:08 am

Whoever thinks that magee is better than horford is an idiot. Horford is about a year away from being a star. If we could get a center and move in too power forward then he would be a star now. the only reason we should get rid of horford is for howard and only if he signs a extention first.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
9:08 am

As Ken points out above, Houston doesn’t have the ability to absorb all of Orlando’s bad contracts AND still add pieces to make it an attractive enough roster to entice Dwight to extend. All it is going to take is one call from Dwight’s agent to let Houston know that under no circumstances will he extend there, and this charade will be over. Now that Dwight knows Brooklyn is impossible, what’s his second choice. I bet it’s the A, where he can come home and be a hero and get past all the negativity in Orlando.

Observation

July 13th, 2012
9:33 am

“Rolling Out Joe Johnson ”

JJ is without a doubt thanking the Hawks for the PR upgrade.

Haters eat your heart out!!

http://www.netsdaily.com/2012/7/13/3156343/rolling-out-joe-johnson

vava74

July 13th, 2012
9:50 am

JJ is an excellent ball player, he’s simply not a great ball player.

“We will miss JJ, but we will not miss his contract”

This should the motto for every discerning and intelligent Hawks’ fan IMO.

JJ also was not guilty of having two lame @ss head-coaches.

One riding him 40 minutes per game for season after season whilst feeding him the ISO-disease until he got fully contaminated with it and the other unable to establish any kind of accountability to make him break that vicious cycle.

JJ’s improved clutch stats of last year (look at http://www.82games.com) prove that he has the ability to produce at a high level.

Check also his FG% in the clutch and compare the improvement with the previous two years – an improvement emerging from the fact that last year he shared more clutch shots with Smoove AND shot and hit a bit more FG out of assists and less following ISO plays.

Playing along side Deron and under Avery will probably end up making him have a much more efficient year, maybe even surprising many.

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
9:59 am

Horford: 7 pts / 6 reb….guarded by LeBron / Anthony and anyone else.

He might have just killed any opportunity to deal with ORL.

Buddy, is the talent here will be better out of the gate than what he had in ORL in 08-09?

Alston / Nelson / TLue
Bogans / AJohnson / Redick / Courtney Lee
Howard / Gortat / Battie / Foyle
Rashard Lewis / Brian Cook / Jeremy Richardson /
Turk / Pietrus

Can D12 be convinced our roster will be more formidable after the move?

Josh / Ivan / Scott
D12 / Jordan Williams / Petro
Morrow / LouWill / Jenkins
JRich / Stevenson
Harris or Teague / backup PG

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
10:04 am

No one will match the Houston offer, but there won’t be much there once he gets there.

Martin / Patterson / Morris / Parsons
All 3 draft picks Lamb / White / TJones
Numerous draft picks

Houston will absorb Big Baby / Turk / JRich / Duhon

I don’t see any PGs in the mix and that includes Duhon.

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
10:09 am

hawks v wizards today, should be interesting to see how kito handles bigs, i wana john jenkins shoot and see how “ripped” pape sy is now.

we still need that SF, i like matt barnes mikael pietrus cj miles or anthony randolph off the bench. if we get athony randolph its basically like we drafted perry jones 3 without the knee problems.

i know this is going to happen but im still glad because it wasnt gona happen here but joe will be at 20ppg in brooklyn and marvin will be at 13-15ppg range 40% from 3 for utah. they will both play great next year with a new setting and official nba caliber coaches. if i happen to be at phillips when brooklyn or utah come to town id give joe or marvin standing Ovations because both were great for us even though asg sucked and held them down with sund/LD/woody.

btw we gota hope houston pulls off this dwight trade because we desperatley need HOU to make the playoffs so we get that 1st round pick next year in the joe johnson trade from brooklyn.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
10:25 am

And for those criticizing Horford, I don’t understand what you expect from Al. Did you really think he was going to dominate against Team USA? He is a solid complimentary player and nobody else has said otherwise. And of course he has his limitations. But if you look around the league, you realize $12 mil per is fair value.

Ken S,

Iggy does not protect the rim, but as a SF, that’s ok. As a perimeter defender, he has the potential to really slow down the other team’s best wing player. He always made it tough on JJ. And he is a very good passer.

imo, Iggy (SF) and Josh (PF)is a better defensive duo compared to Josh (PF) and Al (C).

Reality Check

July 13th, 2012
10:27 am

LMFAO at all these posters thinking that league GMs will “devalue” Horford based on one game.

Nitwits.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
10:31 am

Doc,

I think $10 mil for McGee is too much, but looking around the league, that’s the going rate for bigs, starting at $10 mil. I do think he has a chance to improve his numbers since Denver plays uptempo.

Speaking of which, I hope the Hawks do follow through with their plan to play uptempo.

Ken S,

For SF, somebody had mentioned Kyle Korver from the Bulls in a sign and trade. As many guards as we have, we could swap Morrow for Korver.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
10:55 am

Iguodala would give the Hawks three of the best defenders at their positions in Teague, AI, and Josh. A line up like that would make Morrow, Jenkins, and Harris so dangerous, because Teague, A.I. and Josh can each create shots, as well as drive and dish. I think Philly would throw in a pick for that trade also.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
10:56 am

As the days advance on its looking better and better for D12 coming home…

KevinM, your right Josh and Al are not causing any team in the East to shake in their boots and you better believe Danny already knows it….

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
10:58 am

O’B, I actually wonder if Philly would take cap relief in the way of Harris for AI, since they’re trying to move the contract more than the player. They may would attempt to buy out Harris.

doc

July 13th, 2012
10:59 am

o’b, agreed only most players are paid to much but in free market affairs within the context of the league worth is based on what they get. the way i see it, they may have set the bar so folks will have to be stupid to pay more and that weakens the other guy. they also have a stud in the post getting a lot less thasn he appears to be worth to off set it. if mcgee does do better? he becomes an asset at that price if they dont need him in the future. add tp that he then brings in players in a trade. that is how you manage your assets.

zaza is and has been a steal at his 4 mil. al as well at his price. heh heh, how many all stars make only 12 mil a year? that ought to rile a few anti’s out there.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
11:03 am

Iguodala,Al, and Josh on your front line would be counter productive..Because on the offensive end you would not get consistent scoring in the post or mid-range game once the game slows down in the playoffs…It would be tough for those guys to get buckets..Are any of them real go to guys in the crunch?

i_am_soulstar

July 13th, 2012
11:03 am

We should pick up Scola (even though it’ll cost us at least 10 mil), and send Horford, Teague, and 3 first round picks to Orlando for Dwight.

Devin Harris/ Louis Williams
Anthony Morrow/ John Jenkins
Josh Smith/ Deshawn Stevenson
Luis Scola/ Ivan/ Mike Scott
Dwight Howard/ Zaza

i_am_soulstar

July 13th, 2012
11:05 am

Reality Check

July 13th, 2012
10:27 am

LMFAO at all these posters thinking that league GMs will “devalue” Horford based on one game.

Nitwits.
**************************************************
I try not to be negative, but thank you for typing what I was thinking.

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
11:07 am

“And for those criticizing Horford, I don’t understand what you expect from Al. Did you really think he was going to dominate against Team USA? He is a solid complimentary player and nobody else has said otherwise. And of course he has his limitations. But if you look around the league, you realize $12 mil per is fair value.”

I for one am not critisizing Horford, but I am seeing him for what he is. I don’t care if they were playing the original dream team, you as the best player on your team have to be able to score more than 7 pts. He was not doubled. He was being guarded by the likes of Lebron, and Carmelo Anthony. You are an All Star Center. Get and the post an dominate those smaller guys. Oh, I forgot, he has not post moves. Remeber he is this great mid range shooter. Guess what, guys closed out on the jumper which left him unable to score. Please name me another NBA all star that you could have put on the Dominican team, and they would have not been able to score at all.

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
11:10 am

Its also not about Horford stock dropping or any of that crap. It’s about looking at our team and realizing that we have two PF who will make 12-15 mil per. One is expiring, and the other is signed. One guy is clearly better than the other guy. Make a decision on one guy, and get something for the other.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
11:26 am

Last night ALL NBA AL had Kevin Love one on one with no help deep down on the left side of the post in great position to attack the basket. The guard delivers the ball spot on and guess what he does with the ball? He pulls a Marvin and gets rid of the basketball 2 micro-secs[like it’s a hot potato} without even an attempt?

Yea this season he should avg. at least 5-6 assist a game with all of the good shooters Danny has brought in.

One of them has got to go….

decriz

July 13th, 2012
11:36 am

sign an inexpensive big guy, sign undrafted rookie C/F Yancy Gates

or get that big guy from Greece, Sofoklis something…

hope Ferry is not collecting 6′2″ -ish combo guards/ scoring points,

i think we already have 4…

it’s gonna be like that guy who was infatuated with 6′8/9″ – ish forwards and drafted a starting five of them…

Wabe

July 13th, 2012
11:36 am

I think Houston is crazy for even putting that proposal out there…

Absorbing one or maybe even two of those contracts would suck, but to take on pretty much every one of the Magics bad contracts just to get Howard’s services for a season with no gaurantee of an extension is dumb beyond dumb.

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
11:56 am

ESPN just reported the Hawks are now consider the front runner for D12.

Bring him home Danny.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
11:56 am

Didn’t see Horford game against Team USA. Do you think his recent injury played any role in his performance?

In other words, do you think he’s playing at 100% following his rehab?

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
12:00 pm

“O’Brien

July 13th, 2012
10:25 am
And for those criticizing Horford, I don’t understand what you expect from Al. Did you really think he was going to dominate against Team USA? He is a solid complimentary player and nobody else has said otherwise. And of course he has his limitations. But if you look around the league, you realize $12 mil per is fair value.”

OB, you can’t pay a complementary player 12M is that is what Al is being labeled as….as a complementary player, you can’t even allow him to be a captain.

Al, like Josh, like Joe should have been, you have to be a leader and have other guys follow your lead. If I’m an NBA all-star at any given point in my career, I’m not a complementary player; I am primary go-to guy and expect elite results.

Al had numerous guys guarding him and Team USA was aware of who was the biggest threat. I’m sure the DR weren’t really motivated to play last night after missing out of the Olympics, but your main guy, I don’t care who he has with him, you can’t come out at the end with 7/6.
Al shooting 3s is another issue; Am I mistaken or did Al say last summer he was working more on his ‘face-up’ game. After 2 years with the DR, under Calipari, it looks like Al’s ‘face-up’ game resembles Josh the last 2 years.

Our highest expected results guys are moving further away from the basket to extend their careers, and showing the weaknesses that come with that approach.

If anyone thinks LD is going to chastise Al or Josh about bringing the ball up court, you don’t know the LD we’ve watched since he’s taken over.

I was disappointed with alot of Al’s decisions last night as I do think he could have done more to make his team play better. Is it fair criticism being that he’s not playing with other NBAers? I think so.

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
12:02 pm

“BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
11:56 am
ESPN just reported the Hawks are now consider the front runner for D12.

Bring him home Danny.”

Come on BD; now you’re going to get everyone geeked about the possibilities……good stuff!

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
12:03 pm

Devin, Horford, Zaza and 2 first for D12 and Jason Richard.

Turk was not included.

Horford is now Magic target.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
12:05 pm

“ESPN just reported the Hawks are now consider the front runner for D12″

That’s not surprising, After a Houston trade, can you imagine Orlando trying to sell season tickets to their fans promoting unknown draft players, picks, cap space and scrubs from Houston.

No one would show-up to see them.

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
12:06 pm

I dont understand why Magic not want Teague ?

May be Teague will be included in the deal two.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Wabe

July 13th, 2012
12:07 pm

When did ESPN report that?

I heard yesterday that the Lakers were the 3rd of three teams, and now they’ve effectively dropped out.

It would seem the Rockets are the frontrunners based on what they’re willing to take on in bad Magic contracts.

Wabe

July 13th, 2012
12:09 pm

Marc Stein’s talkin on Sportscenter right now saying that no other team can offer what houston’s offering and said that houston is the frontrunner at this point.

ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:10 pm

Hope this thing happens bring home all the Atlanta players Ferry D12 and hope we go after OJ Mayo to .

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
12:10 pm

No way the GM not take Teague, i believe there is more to this.

Magic GM must no nothing about basketball, JUST DAM

What is this guy doing down there Wow.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
12:11 pm

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
11:56 am

“ESPN just reported the Hawks are now consider the front runner for D12.

Bring him home Danny.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE”

BIG DOG, Danny is getting ready to pounce! He already laid the trap! Brilliant Stuff dude! Yeah!!!!!

Hey Josh go gas up the Limo and bring your boy home!!!!

ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:11 pm

I doubt Howard wants to go to Houston though not exactly a playoff team .

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
12:12 pm

“I dont understand why Magic not want Teague ?”

For the salaries to match, D Harris 8M must be included (would think)

ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:16 pm

What does the Rockets have the Hawks have the better pieces to make the trade work is Orlando GM stupid or something i figure he would value for D12 not crap .

Glenn

July 13th, 2012
12:19 pm

If Houston is willing to absorb the contracts of Jason Richardson, Glen Davis and Chris Duhon — in addition to sending Orlando multiple future first-round picks and the three recent draftees , Orlando would be retarded not to take this trade .

Orlando would be foolish no to do this trade if Dwight wanted to stay in Orlando . After what the Nets were offering this is a silly big break .

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
12:21 pm

The Truth

July 13th, 2012
11:56 am

“Didn’t see Horford game against Team USA. Do you think his recent injury played any role in his performance?

In other words, do you think he’s playing at 100% following his rehab”

Al appears to be fully recovered..Same Al trying to add the 3pt. shot to his his arsenal! sheesh….

He missed by 7 ft…….Yawn…

ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:22 pm

It looks like the Hawks out of it the running again ESPN says Atlanta not the best option for D12 so looks it not happen .

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
12:23 pm

KevinM,

OB, you can’t pay a complementary player 12M if that is what Al is being labeled as….as a complementary player, you can’t even allow him to be a captain..

Iguodala makes $15 mil, Boozer makes $15 mil, Brook Lopez just got $15 mil, DeAndre Jordan got $10 mil, Javal McGee is being offered $10 mil, Deng got $13+ mil. Are these guys anything more than complimentary players?

As for being a captain, leadership starts on the sidelines. We have not had that with Woody and LD, so the players follow the HC lead. Read up on what Billy Donovan used to say about Al at UF.

I think whenever we get a new HC, either Josh or Al will make strides as captain.

ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:25 pm

Howard is heading west Orlando GM intent to move him out of the eastern conference .

Ray

July 13th, 2012
12:26 pm

Yeah nowhere on ESPN did it say we were even frontrunners all I keep hearing is Houston Houston and more Houston.

If we take of Hedo Turks bad contract give me Glen Davis only then could I effectively say I’m okay with us giving up Horford. Plus Dwight of course that is.

ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:28 pm

Seems like Orlando GM just going make D12 life a living hell after what Howard been saying in the media .

EmirS.

July 13th, 2012
12:29 pm

I agree. For Orlando not to do that deal with the Rockets would be utterly foolish.

However, what are Houston’s plans on keeping him there? It’s been reported that Hakeem can talk to him and entice him to stay and that it’s a really good thing as to what Rockets management is doing? That is nonsense. The Rockets will basically have the sub-par talent that the Magic have, without room to add anyone significant to their roster. I think the Rocket’s are screwing themselves over if they actually go through with this trade.

EmirS.

July 13th, 2012
12:30 pm

Mind as well call them the Houston Magic.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
12:32 pm

Guys, I don’t understand why a team like OKC or the Knicks didn’t make a run for Brand.

ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:33 pm

They just want to put butts in the seat remember the last big trade Orlando and Houston made ironically was for Tracy McGrady how did that work out .

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
12:33 pm

Rod,

Make a decision on one guy, and get something for the other..

Agreed. But I don’t think that decision will come until next offseason. If Josh resigns, then I think they trade Al. But if Josh is leaving, they will keep Al.

Grandad

July 13th, 2012
12:35 pm

Slimjr

“Iguodala,Al, and Josh on your front line would be counter productive”

With all due respect sir:
That statement was either untrue, misinformed, or trifling and vacuous.

Slim;
since I feel the statement belied your feelings of animosity toward Al;
then I`ll go with trifling out of respect.

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
12:35 pm

Ray – ESPN radio reported that Hawks was front runner 30min ago.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

doc

July 13th, 2012
12:38 pm

yeah too funny if d12 gets to leave orlando and takes the dirty baggage with him he encouraged smith to go get for him. remember d12 threw smith under the bus a long time ago saying he wasnt considered in trades. quickly smith shot back d12 not only knew about them but strongly encouraged them. it has been a long dramatic over bearing series not unlike atlanta housewives.

Grandad

July 13th, 2012
12:38 pm

We should trade Josh for Iguodala to improve our defense.

A.I. was added to Team USA for his defense, as was Chandler.
I have never heard Josh mentioned as a candidate for Team USA.
*As a defensive stalwart or otherwise.

ryan

July 13th, 2012
12:46 pm

I wounder if Orlando is just calling every teams bluff that wants Howard .

MsDee

July 13th, 2012
12:47 pm

Actually, I like how Danny Ferry is handling all of this Dwight stuff. Instead of him gambling away valuable assets w/o an extension, he is allowing Houston to shoot themselves in the foot by turning into, what EmirS stated, “the Houston Magic”, and giving us ALL THE ADVANTAGE IN THE WORLD TO ACTUALLY GETTING DWIGHT TO WALK RIGHT INTO OUR ARENA AND BEG FOR US TO SIGN HIM. Dwight wont no part of Houston and just think about it, if Houston gets all of Orlando’s junk contracts, Dwight would be right back looking into the faces of his non-advancing teammates. Now WHY WOULD HE SIGN AN EXTENSION, HOUSTON???? We would still have the money to offer both Dwight AND Josh huge contracts W/O LOSING ANY KEY PLAYERS..would love to get CP3 that next season as well, but I would still be content with Teague and Harris running the show!! Wow, a starting team of Teague, Morrow, Josh, Horford, and Dwight would be JUST WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDERED!!

Or if getting Iggy would help, we could then trade Horford and draft pieces to Philly for Iggy and a lineup of Teague, Morrow, Iggy, Josh, and Dwight would be even more DANGEROUS!! Dangit Ferry, lets make our own kind of MAGIC!!

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
12:49 pm

Rod,

Please name me another NBA all star that you could have put on the Dominican team, and they would have not been able to score at all..

Honestly, I think you read too much into the “all-star” title. It has been well documented on here that the main reason Al made the all-star team is because he was playing center, not because he was playing PF (and he was playing with more toughness).

Also, a guy being an all-star does not mean he should have an all-star career every season for the rest of his career. Mo Williams made the all-star team when he was playing in Cleveland. Jameer Nelson made the all-star team thanks to playing with Howard. Should we expect more out of Mo Williams or Jameer Nelson just because they were all-stars at one point?

And besides besides Horford and Francisco Garcia, can you name me one other member of the DR team? The team is made up of a bunch of nobodys.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
12:51 pm

Ra’mon,

Brand will go through the waiver wire where teams under the salary cap can bid for him. I’m not sure if that has happened already, but when it does, I think more teams will be mentioned as being interested.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
1:04 pm

“Buddy, is the talent here will be better out of the gate than what he had in ORL in 08-09?” – KevinM

Our back court completely dominates the 08-09 back court. I’d take Teague or Lou Williams now over Jameer Nelson on the best day of his NBA career. Their best shooting guard was? Courtney Lee, a rookie who 3 years later gets released by his team? Redick, who can’t guard anyone? I’d take Morrow or Lou Williams in a heartbeat over Reddick on the best day of his NBA career. And we’ve got both of them.

Gortat, and Pietrus are the key here. Zaza is good, but not close to Gortat. An aging DeShawn Stevenson is nothing close to Pietrus in his lock-down prime. Advantage: 08-09 Magic.

The Magic also have the advantage at small forward. Turk was the best player not named Kobe in that NBA finals. He obviously played all out in a contract year, then signed-and-retired with Toronto where he was out of shape and disinterested (pretty much has been that way since the 09 Finals). The Hawks don’t have a small forward on the roster so the position must be addressed. If you want to compare Turk on his best day to moder day Josh, I think you know Dwight Howard has never had a player on his team as good as Josh Smith. Advantage: Hawks.

“Can D12 be convinced our roster will be more formidable after the move?”

Our roster is formidable now. The overall talent level has vastly increased over last year. 90% of Joe’s offensive production is replaced by Lou. In place of scrubs like Green and Pargo, we have Williams and Morrow. Collins, Damp, Vlad, Stack, all washed up scrubs, won’t be back. I fully expect the Hawks to compete for home court advantage in the playoffs. Add Dwight Howard and we are championship contenders. Can Houston say that?

Ryan

July 13th, 2012
1:16 pm

If that trade offer from the Rockets is legit, the Magic would have to be ignorant not to except that deal. The Magic would instantly become a pretty decent team with what that got for basically one player. The Rockets on the other hand would be the laughing stock of the West. No way Dwight would want to stay after an embarrassing 12′-13′ season they would have.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
1:20 pm

“or get that big guy from Greece, Sofoklis something…”

Panathinaikos Athens signed Sofoklis Schortsanitis to a three-year deal this month. Good thinking, but even if he didn’t have a long-term contract in Greece, his NBA rights are owned by the Clippers. For those who don’t know, this is the guy Nenad Kristic punched from behind in a pre-World Championships friendly, then ran away like a little girl because Sofoklis is twice his size.

Also for those of you who keep going on about Scola, the Hawks are capped out and not eligible to make a bid for any amnesty casualties. If Scola clears amnesty waivers, which is possible due to the $3.3m minimum bid due to his contract structure, he can negotiate with any team. We still won’t have cap space. Look for him to land in Dallas.

ryan

July 13th, 2012
1:21 pm

I think Ferry knows what he doing that’s why he cleared that cap space he is letting this Howard saga play out .

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
1:39 pm

G’Dad, Josh was mentioned for the Team USA. And he was on the tryout teams for the 2008 team. And that was before he improved his midrange shot. Every since then, Josh has turned down the invitation to play 2 times.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
1:44 pm

Its okay Grand just don’t call me late for dinner? LOL!

We will just have to respectfully disagree on the theory of how Al, Josh, and Andre would or would not operate in a playoff atmosphere…

Besides, hopefully Danny’s dream of creating an elite team in Atlanta is one huge step closer towards that goal real soon..

“trifling” that describes All NBA Al’s game last night! Hehehehehehehe

High-sider

July 13th, 2012
1:45 pm

@vava74, Buddy Grizzard, Clarification, Ken Strickland and all other Jamal Crawford-hating bloggers

“Clutch stats 2011/12 (per 48 minutes of clutch time)

Lou Williams posted decent, but not great numbers.

His best stat is FTA, where he ranked 8th.

Points is good too at 14th…” – vava74 @5:55am, 7/13/2012

“…Our back court completely dominates the 08-09 back court. I’d take Teague or Lou Williams now over Jameer Nelson on the best day of his NBA career. Their best shooting guard was? Courtney Lee, a rookie who 3 years later gets released by his team? Redick, who can’t guard anyone? I’d take Morrow or Lou Williams in a heartbeat over Reddick on the best day of his NBA career. And we’ve got both of them…” – Buddy Grizzard @1:04pm, 7/13/2012

You [Jamal Crawford-hating] bloggers might as well start steppin’ up your “‘hate’ game” now for Lou Williams. Both Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams are similar players with similar strengths, weaknesses, styles and skill sets. One player is just a taller version of the other; you’ll see. You bloggers are just trying to “save face” about the Lou Williams acquisition because that Lou Williams pickup was a Danny Ferry “move”/decision. You bloggers just don’t want to criticize Danny Ferry [at least right now] and are basically trying to deify him [Ferry] as some “GM god.” In the words of Buddy Grizzard, Lou Williams is Jamal Crawford 2.0; mark my words.

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
1:50 pm

“Iguodala makes $15 mil, Boozer makes $15 mil, Brook Lopez just got $15 mil, DeAndre Jordan got $10 mil, Javal McGee is being offered $10 mil, Deng got $13+ mil. Are these guys anything more than complimentary players?”

Perhaps I see the guys you listed not as complementary, but as go-to guys..IMO, they are more than role players; Iggy is the Philly go-to guy for now despite all the controversy whether to keep him or not.

FYI, Hennigan on NBA-TV right now…….time to start working things out.
His comments:”the D12 situation it is what it is….we’re sitting and evaluating to where we want to go from here”….3D changed the subject so not much out of him today.

So, is there a moratorium where deals are at a standstill prior to preseason?

FYI, Slim, Hennigan nothing but awesome comments on ‘Drew’ Nicholson.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
1:51 pm

From Lang Whitaker’s Summer League marathon notes on nba.com;

To me, guys like Solomon Jones, playing for Philly today, are the kind of players who make following the NBA interesting. Jones was a second-round pick by the Atlanta Hawks back in 2006 out of South Florida. He was tall (610), with an impressive #wingspan. He was known mostly for blocking shots, and the Hawks needed size, so he got a shot and played almost 60 games as a rookie.

Since then he’s bounced around, playing for Indiana, New Orleans and Clippers. He contests shots, grabs rebounds. He’s not going to score 40 points, not going to grab 20 boards, but he’s a competent role player coming off the bench that allows you to rest your starting five for a few minutes without giving up too much.

Jones has now played six seasons in the NBA, but he’s still here playing in the summer league, trying to prove himself to NBA teams. Or perhaps he’s just trying to prove something to himself. Either way, these are the kind of players who make the NBA work. And watching them put in work around the margins is another facet of what makes the NBA fun. For me, anyway..

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
1:52 pm

I would rather have Rudy Gay at the 3 over Andre any day of the week…

#1 hawks fan in PR

July 13th, 2012
1:53 pm

ESPN Report Quote:

Dwight Howard isn’t the only big man on the minds of the Los Angeles Lakers’ front office staff these days.

One source familiar with the trade negotiations said Thursday that calls between the Houston Rockets and Lakers discussing a three-way trade have cooled, while the Atlanta Hawks appear to be gaining steam in their pursuit of Howard.

DO IT…GO HAWKS!!!

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
1:55 pm

Whoever Hennigan gets as a HC in ORL will probably be in the same situation that Byron Scott walked into in Cleveland.

Houston can provide all those pieces for D12, but both teams will have a lot of substantial holes to fill to even scrape together wins. ORL can’t gut their entire roster and bring in Rockets who may not be any better than their roles in Houston.
If ORL does a deal with Houston, they are on a long range plan and not planning on contending for a playoff spot for years.

#1 hawks fan in PR

July 13th, 2012
1:56 pm

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
1:57 pm

“Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
1:52 pm
I would rather have Rudy Gay at the 3 over Andre any day of the week…”

Depends on what you want the 3 to be for you. If we need buckets, I think Gay is the guy….but if you need to try and slow down LeBron and Melo, you gotta go with Iggy.

A backline of Iggy, Josh and D12 would be quite impressive, but it won’t be cheap to accomplish.

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
2:00 pm

“Ra’mon

July 13th, 2012
1:39 pm
G’Dad, Josh was mentioned for the Team USA. And he was on the tryout teams for the 2008 team. And that was before he improved his midrange shot. Every since then, Josh has turned down the invitation to play 2 times.”

That info has been under the radar, but I wonder why Josh wouldn’t want to be considered for an Olympic team slot? He would fit better at the 4 on that team, and they could have used him this year, with Bosh and Griffin out of the picture.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:02 pm

IMO, I do not believe some of us “read too much into the “all-star” title” on the contrary it can be said that some of these coaches have abused their power in inviting this player to the Allstar game not once but twice?

He proved last night for the whole world to see that his game does not back it up.

High-sider

July 13th, 2012
2:05 pm

@O’Brien

In response to your post @7:58am, dated 7/13/2012, regarding the proposed Crawford-Hinrich trade, I tried to perform a “mock” trade involving those two players on NBA Trade Machine. I believe it [the trade] was successful if I included Jeff Pendergraph and Kurt Thomas in that “hypothetical” deal.

Trade example/scenario:

Hawks get Jamal Crawford, Jeff Pendergraph and Kurt Thomas.

Trail Blazers get Kirk Hinrich.

Grandad

July 13th, 2012
2:05 pm

Ra`mon

So, Josh is un-American ?

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:07 pm

Rudy is much larger than Andre, just as athletically gifted if not more so and does play defense. He will bang, block shots and harass perimeter shooters. But his offensive skills are more advanced big time…

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
2:14 pm

I forgot Zaza started his NBA career in ORL.

Perhaps they don’t want another go-round with him. Zaza is a legit starting C today if he is healthy.
I am still waiting to hear about his health after missing the playoffs.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:20 pm

Rudy,Josh, and Al would be knocking on the ECF doors…Yes?

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
2:29 pm

slim jr.
i dont think so. rudy at SF and Josh at PFis asome but our problem is AL. he is a 4 or 5th scoring option and if he is payed 12+mill i dont find thato be his actual worth. AlL is a PF that has been forced to play C and there is no C’s in the eastern conference, i thinif we traded AL for a scorer and had rudy and josh we’d bust down that east conf door. dont get me wrong AL is a valuable player that does the little things and doesnt need the ball to be effective which is his best value, but he is not really helpful in the playoffs as scoring is key.

donte080

July 13th, 2012
2:34 pm

Al is one of the best Centers in the NBA…..Posters here are crazy wanting him to move to PF….Hawks problem has never been the play of their center, but more the disappointment of Marvin Williams and to a lesser extent, Joe Johnson.

Rudy, Josh and AL would be a very interesting mix for this team…..A heck of alot better than MARVIN, Josh, and AL…

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
2:35 pm

id like to thinkjosh is our SF and AL will get to play PF like he/all of us want. and we will gauge his worth then, i like AL but he is overvalued and would be our best trade asset for any player that can score points as bigs that ave been all-stars and under 28 are in short supply we could trade him to a bottom feeder for a good role player and a lottery 1st and be just the same as the last 6 years.

remember everyone we had the exact same season last year without AL that we’ve had the previous years with AL so i dont value him as much as most do.

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
2:38 pm

If the Hawks traded Devin, Zaza, Horford, and 2 1st for D12, Jason Richard.

Teague, Jaosn, Pietrus , Josh, D12

lou, Jenkins, Morrow, Ivan, Collins

Scott, Petro, ?

Hawks need sign Pietrus 3 years 6mill.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:41 pm

@ 6′9″ Rudy has Joe Johnson [two guard] type of ability.. Can put it on the floor, cross you over and pull up from the 15-18 feet all day. He can finger roll, use glass, dunk with with best, et al…

hawkfancents95, interesting take on Al from your perspective..

Danny’s got a plan! He will pounce soon, we hope!

ryan

July 13th, 2012
2:43 pm

I would not mind having Rudy is he on the trading block i know Mayo is and looks like we interested in Iguodala also .

MsDee

July 13th, 2012
2:45 pm

Stefan Bondy: Asked which is best team in New York right now, Joe Johnson: “Nets. Definitely Nets.” Twitter

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
2:46 pm

G’D, Josh isn’t anti-American. He was nurturing injuries the last two times so he didn’t go. You can’t fault a man for not wanting to jeopardize his day job for extra curricular.

The thing I don’t understand is Josh gets in to NO trouble outside of the team. Josh cut back on his technical fouls. And he IMPROVED his play. Many of his teammates say Josh is the biggest cheerleader among them. Josh doesn’t make bad plays out of selfishness, he does it out of trying to make something happen.Yet some of you guys treat Josh like he’s a bad citizen or a bad human being. Josh says he would love to play for a team that have more support, can you blame him? Chris Webber said he was AMAZED at how much Sacramento fans supported the teams compared to the Warriors and Bullets.

The same fans that sit here and say that Woody couldn’t coach and was a terrible offensive coach, are the same one who said that Josh was a bad team player because he got into it with Woody about Woody’s ineptness. If you’re a high school coach, yes, the players shouldn’t question you because they’re kids. If you’re a college coach, yes, the players shouldn’t question you much, because they’re still kids on scholarships. But once you get to the NBA, coaches, GMs, players, and owners have the right to question each other when they see fit. Why? Because now EVERYONE is an adult and a professional. As an NBA player if you see what the coach is doing isn’t working, you’d be a fool not to say something. Because as a player you only have so many years to play before your career is over.

No matter how you look at it, Josh is in the top 20-30 players in the League. That means he is in the top 10% of his profession in the WORLD! Now to the ones who complain about Josh, ask yourself one question. Are you in the top 10% of your profession in the state (not even the world)?

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
2:47 pm

“Also, a guy being an all-star does not mean he should have an all-star career every season for the rest of his career. Mo Williams made the all-star team when he was playing in Cleveland. Jameer Nelson made the all-star team thanks to playing with Howard. Should we expect more out of Mo Williams or Jameer Nelson just because they were all-stars at one point?

And besides besides Horford and Francisco Garcia, can you name me one other member of the DR team? The team is made up of a bunch of nobodys.”

It does not matter who was on his team. As a two time All-Star, Al is supposed to stand out. It was not as if the US team was focusing on him, doubling him or mking it difficult for him to score. He simply had no moves in the post, and they shut down the midrange jumper. My personal belief is that no matter how bad the team, a star player will stand out.

Mike

July 13th, 2012
2:49 pm

I didnt hear on ESPN that Hawks became the front-runner for D12. The only thing i hearing that Houston about to give up their whole team for him.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
2:50 pm

Saying Rudy, Al, and Josh would be in the ECF, is the same thing as saying that Rudy is better than Joe Johnson. And sorry that’s a lie. If Rudy couldn’t lead Memphis out of the first round (when they made their run he was injured), how would he lead the Hawks there? I’d rather take my chances in the lottery than to try Rudy. Also, AI can play THREE positions. Rudy can only play one, and he’s injured there most of the time.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:53 pm

Two things I saw Al do last night that will get him in trouble this coming season. He shot an air ball three[landed 7 feet short] and he tried to shoot a turnaround fade away baseline jumper air ball..Just brutal…Don’t do it again!

#1 hawks fan in PR

July 13th, 2012
2:55 pm

“Mike”…ESPN just don’t want to headline it for whatever reason.

ESPN Report Quote (2nd paragraph):

Dwight Howard isn’t the only big man on the minds of the Los Angeles Lakers’ front office staff these days.

One source familiar with the trade negotiations said Thursday that calls between the Houston Rockets and Lakers discussing a three-way trade have cooled, while the Atlanta Hawks appear to be gaining steam in their pursuit of Howard.

#1 hawks fan in PR

July 13th, 2012
2:56 pm

jhan

July 13th, 2012
2:56 pm

Ramon – “Josh doesn’t make bad plays out of selfishness, he does it out of trying to make something happen”
Does it really matter why he makes bad plays? Why doesn’t he stop?

Are you in the top 10% of your profession in the state (not even the world)?
So Josh is above reproach in your estimation?

Are you in the top 10% of basketball player evaluators in the world? If not you should just keep quiet according to your logic.

No offense intended – just asking.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:57 pm

Almost forgot he drove right from about 16 feet across into the paint and tried to shoot a semi-finger roll off glass missing the rim by 4 feet……Maybe the Titles are going to his head? LOL..

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
2:59 pm

Somebody’s gotta defend other #1s.

Who’s the best SF defender in the East?

Looking at Houston’s offer, wondering how many contracts ORL considers as bad? They have some talent, and moving it all gives you no chance to compete with mid-range draft picks. The ORL coaching staff will need to hire a day-care service to make sure all the acquisitions get back home to their mama.:)

Is ORL ready to tank the next couple of seasons? I don’t think so. They are the only game in town with a new arena to fill. They have to keep being competitive in the near term. All those pieces don’t give you that chance for the next 3-4 years.

They might be looking up to Charlotte in the standings if Houston can pull this off.

ryan

July 13th, 2012
3:00 pm

That’s good news i doubt Rockets owner would give up his entire team for one player seems like the Hawks keep dodging bullets here Atlanta very much alive in the Howard sweepstakes .

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:03 pm

Jhan, funny that you mentioned that, because while I am not an expert evaluator. The guys who ARE world class evaluators rank Josh that high. So on that subject its pretty safe for me to open my mouth.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:07 pm

And Jhan, I have no problems with someone question Josh as a basketball player. That is always ok. But when people question him as a PERSON, that is out of bounds IMO. Josh is definitely flawed as a player. But people complain about Josh like they know him personally. And I bet some of them are the same one who were in love with Paterno.

donte080

July 13th, 2012
3:08 pm

“Things I saw Al do last night…”

Yes, one game really allows for people who “have an eye for such things” to make absolute comments about a player. Not to mention the fact that for much of the night he was playing one against 2-3 ………

Why the hate for Horford? Do you guys just diss every hawk on the team, or just pick out particular ones? If by miracle the imperfect D12 gets here, I just wonder how long it would take for you guys to ride him as well?

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:14 pm

“The same fans that sit here and say that Woody couldn’t coach…”

Nice post Ra’mon, and this is not a response to it. For the record, I was one of those people. In one of my posts on Hoopinion I stated that no Hawks coach since Lenny Wilkens had been in demand once they left the Hawks. Woody proved me wrong. I still don’t think he’s a good x’s and o’s coach, but he’s humble and he learned from the mistakes he made with the Hawks.

I don’t believe Woody went to NY hoping D’Antoni would fail. Management wanted a defensive assistant for D’Antoni and Woody just ended up being at the right place at the right time. What put him in demand is that he learned how to be more relateable to his players. The fact that he’s got Melo to buy into playing defense is REMARKABLE. Hats off to Woody for keeping his career going and doing it with class.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:16 pm

Donte, if D12 gets here, he will be the best player the Hawks have had since Lou H. (Yes Dwight is better than Dominique, IMO).

Wabe

July 13th, 2012
3:18 pm

I did hear Marc Stein report on Sportcenter that the Hawks were a team still alive in the Howard trade saga, but he said at the moment, Houston is clearly the frontrunner. However, he said that if Atlanta were willing to package Horford + Teague, that would be something difficult for the Magic to walk away from.

Now the question becomes, would we be willing to do that without a Howard extension?

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:19 pm

Buddy, I agree. The coach Woody is today is 5x better than the coach he was back when he and Josh used to get into it (the seasons before Al and Bibby showed up).

DP

July 13th, 2012
3:21 pm

Quote from the wildly overrated ball hogging playoff disappearing Joe Johnson on his trade to Brooklyn:

“I haven’t been this excited since my days in Phoenix.”

That would be the team he forced his way off of because was more interested in hogging the ball on a 15 win team than in being the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team. And now he’s pretending like Phoenix was the good old days.

Funny how the trade happened according to Billy King. King called Danny Ferry, a former teammate at Duke, to congratulate him on the Hawks GM job and Ferry brought up Joe Johnson. Danny, taking advantage of a former teammate and long time friend like that is cold.

allan in texas

July 13th, 2012
3:21 pm

Pending passed physical, Kyle Korver traded to Atlanta. Maybe a sign and trade for Hinrich? Details coming from Chicago Tribune.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
3:22 pm

I have an assignment for the blog.

Head over to the Houston Rockets Blog and vote in their poll:

“If Rockets trade for Dwight Howard, do you think GM Daryl Morey can put together a roster that can be competitive next season?”

It is right under the Kyle Lowry picture. Vote “NO”.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/kyle-lowry-moves-on-barely-able-to-recognize-the-team-he-left-behind/

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
3:23 pm

Dwight Howard > Horford

I told people coming around 2 years ago that Horford had essentially peaked. I did my research on the measurements, on how advanced his game was coming out of college and people want to just now jump on the wagon.

He’s a good player but what else can he add?
Turnaround jumpers and pull up jumpers will never be his forte,

Teague
Lou/Morrow
Josh
Scola/Brand
Dwight

I can find an offensive PF easier than I can a Dwight Howard level center.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:27 pm

Korver to ATL… lol thank you sir may I have another shooter?

Jae Evolution

July 13th, 2012
3:27 pm

Good pickup in Korver, another expiring and a guy who can play SF while hitting a good % of three’s. Would’ve liked Brewer instead we need some D.

zachreb

July 13th, 2012
3:29 pm

KC Johnson: Pending passed physical, Bulls have traded Kyle Korver to Atlanta. Could be sign-and-trade w/Hinrich. Details soon at chicagotribune.com. Twitter

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
3:29 pm

Buddy do you think that Ferry is banking on Josh Smith’s defense too much?

Jeff Teague
Lou Williams (undersized)
Kyle Korver (slow and undersized)
Josh Smith (undersized)
Al Horford (undersized)

eew

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:29 pm

Assignment complete Rev!

Marcus

July 13th, 2012
3:31 pm

interesting …. on Korver. Are we gonna league the league in 3 pt attempts? Smart stock broker better invest in some elbow sleeve and Icy-Hot.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:34 pm

pointguardslim no. Ferry is pushing all in on a philosophy of surrounding his interior players with three point shooters. He’s banking on the Hawks having a better true shooting percentage from threes than the opponents will have driving to the basket vs. weak perimeter defense. Ferry knows all of these guards are going to get beat off the dribble. But a layup only counts for two.

Even if we don’t get Dwight, Josh and Al will spend the whole season posting up against single coverage. Double teams against the Hawks are now impossible.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:35 pm

PS Najeh I stand corrected on Korver’s contract… didn’t bother to look up the fact that it was expiring.

DS

July 13th, 2012
3:36 pm

pointguardslim: just like you did your research on John Leuer, Bogut and Thabeet, right? People here keep forgetting that Horford is still the 3rd best center in the league.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:38 pm

What this philosophy from Ferry also does is basically force Josh to play inside. With so many quality outside shooters and with Joe gone, if Josh stays on the outside and shoots jumpers he will look like a fool. Ferry has already stated they are going to run the offense through the guards. This means Ferry’s intention is for Josh to play inside out. Post up against single coverage, make your move, and if the shot’s not there you have 3 deadly outside shooters to take the desperation 3 as the shot clock expires instead of Josh taking that shot.

Lewis

July 13th, 2012
3:38 pm

not a huge korver fan, he can certainly shoot – whose going to be playing perimeter d tho

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:38 pm

“People here keep forgetting that Horford is still the 3rd best center in the league.”

I’m an All-NBA supporter, but I don’t know if that statement is true.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:41 pm

As presently constructed, is Kover now the starting small forward on this roster?

Lewis

July 13th, 2012
3:42 pm

my guess is deshawn stevenson starts at 3

DS

July 13th, 2012
3:45 pm

As presently constructed, I don’t think we have a starting 3 yet.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:45 pm

So Horford is better than Duncan, Garnett, Hibbert, Chandler, and Nene?

northcyde

July 13th, 2012
3:47 pm

LOL @ signing Kyle Korver

Yep, we’re Golden State East. Just call us the Atlanta Warriors now.

Hopefully all of these shooters are being accumulated in order to be traded for a better player(s).

J.J.M.

July 13th, 2012
3:48 pm

lmao@starting korver

jhan

July 13th, 2012
3:52 pm

Ramon – I agree 100% with the personal assaults on the players. Nobody truly knows what these guys are thinking or what is happening in the locker room. Comments should be limited to on the court performances.

You didn’t answer my question about why Josh shouldn’t stop making bad plays regardless. Curious to know your thoughts on that one.

This team will definitely be challenged defensively with only Josh & Horford of any size if Korver starts. Maybe we will outscore everyone by setting the record for 3’s made in a season.

I love the fact that DF has made more moves in 2 weeks than Sund did in 3 years – exaggeration but it sure seems that way!

jhan

July 13th, 2012
3:54 pm

Horford a top 10 center I buy – top 3 not really.

DS

July 13th, 2012
3:55 pm

Nene and Hibbert are not even on the same level. Chandler is a great defensive player only. Timmy and KG are two of the greatest PFs of all times, but today I would much rather have Horford.

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
3:56 pm

i heard the sign and trade with korver and hinrich but idk much more than is been said to be plausible. i mean if we get korver, i think we are in over-kill mode with the three point shooters, we can only play so many minutes with great shooters that cant play D(morrow,jenkins,korver)
i like korver cuz he IS the best shooter in the NBA(rayA/novak/durant/m.miller are all right there with him) but if we get korver we gota trade morrow for a defensive SF.

id be happy if wegot ronnie brewer instead, he can play the 3 and 2 and play good perimeter D which we desperatley need.

when was the last time the hawks were the most prominently talked about team in the off-season?

Mike

July 13th, 2012
3:56 pm

Y’all keeping forgetting that the Spurs is a actually a three point shooting team, so we are going to be like that. Plus we might have a another move or two. So stop hitting the panic button. Besides this team is playing for the future not right now plus Korver is also an expire contract.

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
3:56 pm

KevinM,

Iggy averaged 12.5 ppg in 36 mpg last year. I don’t think he is their go to guy. And remember, even if he was, Philly struggled on offense all year.

Rod,

My personal belief is that no matter how bad the team, a star player will stand out..

I agree with you. But who said Al is a star player? IMO, making an all-star team does not make you a star player.

steven a smith

July 13th, 2012
3:57 pm

This cements his “Legacy” he will one day be known as the “Greatest GM”
in Atlanta Hawks Basketball history. Early vote for GM of the year. Danny Ferry is to Hawks Basketball is what Steven A is to journalism!

O'Brien

July 13th, 2012
3:59 pm

Northcyde,

I think it is a marketing ploy as well. The Hawks wont win as many games as they have the last few seasons, but if they are Golden State East, they will look good while losing, so it would mesh with the ASG’s goal of putting an entertaining product on the court.

And we are still talented enough to beat some of the lesser teams, and surprise the better teams once in a while. I think we can compete for 7-8 in the East.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

July 13th, 2012
3:59 pm

With Korver the Hawks should set the record for jump shots attempted in a season.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:59 pm

“Hopefully all of these shooters are being accumulated in order to be traded for a better player(s).”

First of all, let me state I’m not a Korver fan “AT ALL.” The fact that he’s white doesn’t mean he’s going to replace Kirk Hinrich as the apple of my eye. However, in response to your statement above, northcyde, let me hazard a guess.

I would say these players are being accumulated to make the Hawks roster more attractive to Dwight Howard.

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
3:59 pm

1)dwight 2)bynum 3)garnett 4)marc gasol 5)chandler 6)duncan 7)gortat 8)horford 9) nene 10)cousins

i know in my quick attempt to stay current i may have forgotten someone but horford aint top 5 as a Center or PF

steven a smith

July 13th, 2012
4:02 pm

Ken Strickless, Worldwide Clyde, NorthSCRUB,Najeh, you guys are clueless when it comes to winning Basketball!!!

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
4:08 pm

“I would say these players are being accumulated to make the Hawks roster more attractive to Dwight Howard.”

I can pretty much say with a straight face that Kyle Korver is not going to help convince Dwight Howard come to Atlanta. LOL

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:09 pm

Golden State East? No. Golden State has historically had zero interior defense. The Hawks have Josh and Al for starters. Admittedly, Al is not a rim protector. But you’re forgetting that Zaza is an outstanding position defender who learned to stop getting into foul trouble and proved capable of guarding Dwight 1-on-1. On top of that, Ivan held his own against multiple All-Star centers last year. Even without Dwight, this is a formidable front line. Sure, we come up short in the height department. But how many teams have two bangers like Zaza and Ivan coming off the bench?

Jae Evolution

July 13th, 2012
4:10 pm

Hawks summer league vs Washington on now.

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
4:10 pm

lmao Josh Smith shot something like .500 posting up.

When’s the last time Josh Smith commanded a double team in the post as a PF? When he was 250 lbs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIepUUANijo

Stupid stupid STUPID signing. And don’t even get me started on Horford posting up centers.

This is a joke.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:11 pm

No way Rod… that just sealed the deal!

NCHawkfan

July 13th, 2012
4:12 pm

Kyle Korver to hawks. Minnesota gives Chicago 2 round puck.

Ryan

July 13th, 2012
4:13 pm

That 3 by John Jenkins with the shot clock running down was sick! Very nice.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:13 pm

“Stupid stupid STUPID signing. And don’t even get me started on Horford posting up centers.”

Whatever. Josh and Al are both excellent passers for their position. Al can work on his post game with no double team coming and he will always hit the open man. Just because he doesn’t draw a double team doesn’t mean someone isn’t coming open at the three point line off back screens.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
4:14 pm

How are you supposedly an Allstar Big and have essentially no post game? Just asking the experts…

Jae Evolution

July 13th, 2012
4:14 pm

John Jenkins has gotten the ball twice with the shotblock at 2 and barely got a look at the rim, splash. Kid is going to be good.

NCHawkfan

July 13th, 2012
4:15 pm

Looks like Minnesota gets cash and Hawks get Korver. Chicago gets 2 round pick and front have to pay 500k to Korver.

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
4:15 pm

idiotic. And what happens if Josh Smith isn’t double teamed?

And what happens to the guards? No one on here is big enough to set good screens?

Josh just spent a whole season Picking and fading for guards to open up the lane.

As if Josh Smith can score in the low post. He’s like Dwight Howard with a 2 inch and 40 pound disadvantage every night. Geez loueez

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
4:17 pm

We’re building around post players that suck in the post. Congrats Ferry.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
4:17 pm

Jhan, every player in the NBA still make bad plays. Josh’s most important lesson now, isn’t just to only play in the post. Because he’s actually become an effective mid range shooter. Josh’s lesson to learn now is WHEN to take that jumper. When Josh has it going and he’s got a rhythm, I don’t mind him taking that jumper early in the shot clock. Its mainly when Josh takes the jumper early in the shot clock and he hasn’t made any jumpers yet, or got any easy buckets. When Josh gets going on the jumper, he is impossible to guard. So you don’t want to take that shot away from him altogether.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:18 pm

“As if Josh Smith can score in the low post.”

You obviously didn’t watch the Chicago series two years ago. Josh was a one man wrecking crew against Chicago’s stable of 7-footers in Game 4.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:19 pm

Once again, Josh has an outstanding post up game but he floats outside to try to protect his bad knee. He’s playing for a contract.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
4:22 pm

Jenkins has a nice super quick release..Beautiful stroke….

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
4:23 pm

“Whatever. Josh and Al are both excellent passers for their position.”
Yes they run what Doc Rivers calls an inverted fast break. Guards are slower than their bigs.

“Al can work on his post game with no double team coming and he will always hit the open man. Just because he doesn’t draw a double team doesn’t mean someone isn’t coming open at the three point line off back screens.”

Neither Josh or Horford is drawing a double team in the post. And what back screens?

And could you explain “coming open off back screens for 3s” when the double doesn’t come in the low post?

That makes no sense to me. I don’t see where the angle is for that. Could you link me an example?

Because I really have no idea what thats supposed to mean.

anphill2

July 13th, 2012
4:27 pm

Hoftford better than Brian Grant?

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
4:29 pm

Maybe you mean downscreen? huhuhuh

people just switch those. And unless you have size screening then Korver is useless because you can just switch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBjprWWRvbM

Ferry is looking doubtful right now. Korver’s so inept defensively you have to look for him every play down just to justify him being on the floor. Josh Smith and Horford aren’t Dwight and ….
I just can’t believe we’re going to be running plays for Kyle Korver. Just wow Ferry.

Josh Smith could turn into Lebron right now and you’d still lose with

Teague
Morrow
Korver
Smith
Horford

Bring the pain! Tank mode.

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
4:33 pm

“I agree with you. But who said Al is a star player? IMO, making an all-star team does not make you a star player.”

I disagree. Making the All star team, especially more than once means you are one of the best players in the world, as the NBA is easily considered the best baskeball league in the world.

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
4:33 pm

“You obviously didn’t watch the Chicago series two years ago. Josh was a one man wrecking crew against Chicago’s stable of 7-footers in Game 4.”

The same game 4 that I’m always posting clips of Josh Smith at the SF, despite being 250 lbs?

“Once again, Josh has an outstanding post up game but he floats outside to try to protect his bad knee.”
The same knee that made him lose weight to the point Troy Murphy is pushing him off the block?

He has a bad knee but we’re going to pound it into him down low all season or him and the Hawks are going to look stupid?

“He’s playing for a contract.”
And top it off with a comment to say he’s selfish. Brilliant.

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
4:40 pm

Korver signing makes no sense. Especially being that you drafted the same guy in the draft in Jenkins. You also picked up the same guy in the NJ trade in Morrow. Really Korver, Morrow, and Jenkins should be guys used coming off the bench. Still don’t have a starting caliber 2 or 3. I’m hping these are just moves being made for bigger trades.

NCHawkfan

July 13th, 2012
4:40 pm

Where can I catch scores of hawks summer league games?

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:43 pm

“That makes no sense to me. I don’t see where the angle is for that. Could you link me an example?”

Sure just go to nba playbook and do a search for “Ray Allen.” True, the Hawks have not done this in the past. But if this is the lineup, and not just a bunch of trade bait, then the lineup demands it.

“And top it off with a comment to say he’s selfish. Brilliant.”

This is a silly statment. Contract years happen in the NBA. Some people get the contract and quit trying like Turk. I don’t think Josh is that way, but unless he signs an extension he’s playing for the richest contract of his life. Of course he wants to impress and not get hurt and devalue himself.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:44 pm

“Where can I catch scores of hawks summer league games?”

Go to NBA.com and sign up for summer league pass broadband for $4.99. You get all games including archives so you can watch replays of every single summer league game for 5 bucks.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
4:44 pm

Mike Scott with a nice mid-range jumper on the left baseline…

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
4:45 pm

Can’t really argue with your 4:40 pm logic Rod.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
4:47 pm

Hawks are burying the Wizards!

NCHawkfan

July 13th, 2012
4:50 pm

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
4:50 pm

Hang in there Rod, Danny is laying the trap and when the timing is right he will pounce!

He looks like a quiet assassin on NBA TV! His smart phone being his weapon of choice…

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
4:53 pm

Hawks on a 22-6 run! Up 16 @ the Half[50-34]..

shooting 51%…

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
4:58 pm

Just my luck my family member got the tv before me…
….
“Sure just go to nba playbook and do a search for “Ray Allen.” True, the Hawks have not done this in the past. But if this is the lineup, and not just a bunch of trade bait, then the lineup demands it.”

This is the only thing that came up.
“In LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, who love to get in the lane (either on their own or with using a screen) and force the defense to suck in, and the defense will get sucked in because these guys are fantastic at finishing at the rim. When that happens, James and Wade are good enough passers to find their men in the corner. Last year, these guys were Mario Chalmers, Shane Battier, and Norris Cole. Next year, Ray Allen are going to get these looks and knock them down more often than not.”

http://nbaplaybook.com/how-ray-allen-fits-with-miami/

Korver needs BIG men to set screens for him. Josh and Horford are still going to be undersized post players and not going to command low post double teams.

Youre going to end running your offense thru Korver

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
5:12 pm

Jenkins to Benson for the Alley-oop dunk! Go get it!

Ken Strickland

July 13th, 2012
5:14 pm

Jae Evolution

July 13th, 2012
5:15 pm

Did John Jenkins really dunk on the #3 pick?

Ryan

July 13th, 2012
5:17 pm

John Jenkins ladies and gentlemen.

Joe Johnson who???

Jae Evolution

July 13th, 2012
5:22 pm

Jenkins is dominating Beal.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
5:23 pm

Surrounding shooters for his center piece?

Jae Evolution

July 13th, 2012
5:29 pm

Minny waived Martell Webster, pick him and his goofy hair up for veterans min.

Ken Strickland

July 13th, 2012
5:53 pm

Under both Woodson and Drew, the Hawks OFF was based primarily on shooting jumpshots, along with liberal doses of ISO Joe, Flip, or Jamal. But Ferry’s version of the Hawks will actully have the shooters needed to shoot lights out, as well as penetrate. I don’t know how many of our shooters will make the active roster, but there will be no shortage of them.

Korver, Jenkins, Morrow, harris, Williams, Scott, and Horford are all effective shooters. This yr we’ll finally have the players that will allow us to be an effective jumpshooting, running, and penetrating team. And I’m really tired of hearing all of this team being undersized. A so called undersized Miami Heat team just won the NBA title after making their 2nd consecutive trip to the finals.

Couldn’t you also consider the Celtics undersized as well? Other than 7′+ OC KGarnett, check and see how tall SG RAllen, PG RRondo, PF BBass, and SF PPierce SF are. If you have the right players with the right talent that are playing in the right system, and they excel on both ends of the court, size isn’t the deciding factor.

Ken Strickland

July 13th, 2012
8:30 pm

Jenkins is a player, and not just because he scored 19pts in a summer league gm, but because he did it with so much poise and confidence. He might not be the quickest, fastest, or most athletic, but neither was Reggie Theus or Reggie Miller, and they both had very successful careers as SGs. Put Jenkins next to a quick, fast, athletic PG like JTeague or DHarris, and he’d be a perfect compliment.

There’s one thing I simply love about Danny Ferry that no one else has brought up. Not only is Ferry a mover and shaker, Unlike Sund, but he’s made it perfectly clear how we’re going to play and is putting together a roster to do just that. Sund, on the other hand, left that totally up to the HC and wouldn’t even comment on the matter.

That tells me that Ferry isn’t going to tolerate Drew pulling a WOODY, by ignoring the development of his his prized picks, especially Jenkins, and forcing him, or them, to gather splinters at the end of the bench. I doubt if he’ll allow the same type of constant disruptions and lack of discipline that Drew has permitted in the past from Josh and JJ.

We have far too much talent and depth for Drew not to step up to the plate. We can run, shoot, and play halfcourt, assuming we effectively run his motion OFF when in our halfcourt OFF. I think by the Allstar break, our Hawks will have developed into a better team than we’ve had the last few yrs.

With the speed, quickness, athleticism, penetrating and shooting/scoring ability we now have with Teague, Harris, Morrow, Jenkins, , Josh, Horford, and Korver, we’ll definitely be a serious playoff factor. And don’t dismiss JPetro as our #3 backup back center, because his overall production was better than Collins and Dampier combined.

Ken Strickland

July 13th, 2012
9:19 pm

Here’s why I say this yrs team will end up being better than last yrs, even without JJ and Marvin.
1-Whoever replaces JJ at SF should be able to average between 12-13PPG.
2-Whoever replaces Hinrich at SG should be able to double his 6.6PPG. There 2 projections alone will make up for JJs scoring average.
3-With our primary scorer and shot taker gone, Horford will move up as a scoring option and take more shots, which should put him back to his 2010-2011 15.3PPG.
4-With JJ gone, Teague will have more control of the OFF, and will be depended on more to score. His scoring should increase from last yrs 12.6PPG average to between 14-15PPG.
5-LWilliams will provide the instant OFF we once got from JCrawford and Flip Murray, but didn’t have last yr.
6-KKorver will give us the stretch wing score/shooter we thought we had with VRad, but that Marvin provided near the end of the season.
7-DHarris, if he comes off the bench, will provide us with a starting caliber backup PG that’s better than any starting PG we’ve had in yrs.
8-Petro and LWilliams are younger, quicker, faster, more athletic, and have proven individually capable of giving us better backup production than our previous #3 & 4 backups combined.
9-Our bench will have better shooters, and more of them, than any starting lineup we’ve had in well over a decade.
10-SG AMorrow, as well as PG/SG DHarris and LWilliams are starting caliber players that are definite upgrades over Pargo, Green and Stackhouse.
11-Ferry will make certain we play and maintain an uptempo style of ball that caters to the bulk of our talent, rather than a select few players like JJ, Bibby, Jamal and Flip.

Ken Strickland

July 13th, 2012
10:07 pm

Fitz

July 14th, 2012
4:01 am

Im really surprised the Magic passed on the Rockets offer. If they are getting rid of Dwight, they need to start over. I can’t think of a better way to start over than getting
1. Good young players like Chandler Parsons and Patrick Patterson
2. Their choice of 2 guys just taken in the 1st round (Jeremy Lamb, Terrance Jones, Royce White)
3. A possible high lottery pick for 2013 (Raptors pick) and another future 1st rounder
4. And a proven veteran scorer in Kevin Martin

But if that means the Hawks get Dwight, thats fine with me. I just can’t believe they would pass on the Rockets deal for
1. Al Horford (a #3 option on a legit contender)
2. Jeff Teague (a PG with potential, but will probably never be an All-Star)
3. 1st round picks that will be somewhere in the 20s
4. And maybe Zaza Pachulia (a quality backup C on a good team, a starter on a bad one)

But by all means, rob the Magic blind

Fitz

July 14th, 2012
4:05 am

I forgot to add the multiple bad contracts the Rockets were willing to take on. I guess the Hawks would to, but the other trade pieces the Rockets offered were far better for rebuilding a team than ATL’s.

Al Horford is already locked up for $13 million for a while (fair price imo, but not ideal if you are rebuilding)
And Jeff Teague is a restricted FA next year and will probably want a pretty decent raise. And they just re-signed Jammer Nelson

ryan

July 14th, 2012
10:21 am

The Hawks seem to keep getting lucky survived Nets, Lakers , Rockets ether Howard stays in Orlando this year and Ferry waits for 2013 or he pulls trigger its a waiting game folks we have cap space for next summer .

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2012
10:56 am

RYAN/FITZ-There’s no way Orlando will go past the trading deadline without trading Dwight, and by that time they’ll be up against a timeline. The Magic organization is under the misguided impression that they can get fair market value for Dwight, and that’s just not the case. Dwight screwed himself and the Magic with his stupid and immature decisions and actions.

Right now, they know the Hawks and Rockets offers will continue to be on the table if they choose to accept either of them, along with the Warriors. It’s also likely that LAs offer will remain on the table as well. Knowing they will always have these fall back offers, they can afford to explore more options to facilitate a trade that will get them closer to what they consider fair market value for Dwight.

I just can’t get over him being so stupid. First, he shot everyone down by refusing to opt out of his contract last yr, thus tricking the Magic into thinking he’d resign if they gave him what he’d wanted most, which they did. They fired the HC and GM. After doing what he wanted, he now says he won’t resign with them under any circumstances, and will only sign with the Nets.

After all of that, the Nets grew tired of his BS and killed any chance of him joining them by resigning their main trade chip, OC BLopez, to a huge contract. As it stands, this fool still says he’ll only sign an extension with the Nets, even though they can’t trade for him before January at the earliest.

And this fool still refuses to commit to any of the 3 teams(Hawks, Lakers, Rockets), that are able to facilitate a trade for him even though he knows they won’t trade for him without a prior agreement to an extension. Oh well, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2012
11:04 am

My take on the Hawks future, if we don’t trade for Dwight, is it will be very bright indeed. Take a core of Horford, Josh, Teague, Williams, Zaza, Scott, Korver, Jenkins, mix in the possibility of as many as 2 1st rd picks, along with a ton of cap space, and this could definitely end up being a potential NBA Championship contender.

ryan

July 14th, 2012
11:46 am

If we don’t get D12 i am glad we are at least looking at Mayo and Iguadala maybe Rudy i agree Howard is the Terrel Owens of the NBA selfish clown .

Mark

July 14th, 2012
12:00 pm

I would get Scola, to back up al @pf ZaZA @ c, Dont sleep on ZaZa he is a quality center he proved it when he first got here, and he proved it last year. we could get us a quality sf to back Josh. and Let the D12 thing play it self out. We are in a good position and I love it.

myrak43

July 14th, 2012
12:01 pm

are serious? Horford, Josh, Teague, Williams, Zaza, Krover? that is not a Championship roster. that roster would be the laughing stock of the of the southeast. well maybe not the laughing stock but we would not have any chance of beating Miami or ………………….. Washington for that matter. and if Orlando keeps Howard we wouldn’t be able to beat them either. Maybe if we keep Harris and Williams we would be on the same level that we have been on the last five years…. but we would clearly not be a championship team. now replace Teague with CP3 and Horford with Dwight Howard….. now that is a champion ship team.

Zaza starting at center will never be a championship team. unless the rest of the lineup is Rose, Lebron, Durant, and Dirk.

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

MYRAK43-I don’t see how you could even consider a roster made up PGs Teague/Harris/Williams, SGs Morrow/Jenkins, (Williams), PFs Smith/Johnson/LWilliams/Scott, OC Horford/Pachulia/Petro(LWilliams), and SF Korver/to be acquired. Korver, Williams, Harris, and Jenkins gives us as much, if not more, potential firepower than we had with JJ and Marvin. And they can do it without hogging disrupting the OFF, or hogging the ball with ISOs.

You can bet Teague’s and Horford’s scoring will increase with JJ and Marvin’s shots being redistributed. This only thing this team will potentially lose is some DEF at SF, depending on who we end up getting to play the position. However, we’ll make up for it by scoring more, and more consistently, especially at SG, since Harris or Morrow will certainly do better than Hinrich’s 6.6PPG.

Were dead

July 14th, 2012
6:56 pm

1. Teague
2. Jenkins
3. Smith
4. Horford
5. Benson

Big Ray

July 14th, 2012
9:37 pm

It does not matter who was on his team. As a two time All-Star, Al is supposed to stand out. It was not as if the US team was focusing on him, doubling him or mking it difficult for him to score. He simply had no moves in the post, and they shut down the midrange jumper. My personal belief is that no matter how bad the team, a star player will stand out.

NBA coaches and sports pundits vs. Rod from College Park – those guys know nothing. They didn’t play the game at the level that Rod did. So the fact that they kept voting him into the all-star game was just a mistake.

BTW, we sure know who was good at dodgeball in grade school. Completely dodged the analogy involving other “all-stars” such as Mo Williams and Jameer Nelson. How well did those guys stand out in the last two years? Didn’t Jameer get outplayed by Kirk Hinrich and Jamal Crawford in the playoffs a couple of years ago? And to think, neither of those guys are or ever will be all-stars.

Caught with pants down and arse in the air yet again….poor Rod…..

Big Ray

July 14th, 2012
9:41 pm

Marc J. Spears: Free agent forward Anthony Randolph sitting with Nuggets brass at summer league game vs Warriors. DEN and ATL high on Randolph, source said Twitter

Atlanta Hawks, Denver Nuggets, Free Agency, Anthony Randolph | share

Mike McGraw: To recap the day, Kyle Korver was not traded to Atlanta, but probably just a matter of time. Full details are unclear. Twitter

I’d like to get Randolph. But I can see him going to Denver instead. Hope not, but who knows…

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2012
10:00 pm

BIG RAY-If Randolph has any aspirations of starting he’d sign with the Hawks, because he’d have little to no competition at SF this point. Between he and Korver, we won’t get much rebounding from the SF position. I’ve also read where there’s a plan to try rookie Scott at SF, because of his rebounding and shooting ability. If it’s believed Josh can be effective at SF why not Scott, since he’s a much better shooter.

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2012
10:20 pm

BIG RAY-Have you noticed how these HORFORD HATERS can come up with so much 1st class BS that it makes them look just as stupid as those idiots who insist on claiming Egypt isn’t in Africa? They’ve actually deluded themselves into thinking they are far better qualified to judge Horford’s abilities than the writers, coaches, and players who get paid to make these judgements, and who end up voting him to the Allstar gm and All NBA team.

These clowns seem to think Horford has gotten selected to the Allstar gm and ALL NBA team because he’s soft, timid, undersized, has no postup gm, shoots and makes too many midrange jumpshots, doesn’t defend the rim, and/or doesn’t make an impact. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

steven a smith

July 14th, 2012
10:41 pm

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2012
10:20 pm

KEN STRICK-LESS…..
If Al was so great, why didn’t team USA recruit his “Scrub behind” to be a back-up center?

Ken Strickland

July 14th, 2012
11:16 pm

STEVEN A.SS SMITH-Every player can’t be selected to team USA. I would think even a HORFORD HATING MORON wouldn’t be that stupid. I seriously doubt that they would select a player who hasn’t fully recovered from a season ending injury that required surgery.

To be honest STEVEN ASS SMITH, you’ve proven my point. Only a delusional HORFORD HATING idiot would call a player that’s earned 2 Allstar selections and 1 All NBA selection in his 1st 4 yrs a scrub. Again, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, and you’re living proof of that.

myrak43

July 15th, 2012
5:32 am

Ken Strickland
July 14th, 2012
4:18 pm

I was responding to the post of Horford, Josh, Teague, Williams, Zaza, Scott, Korver, Jenkins being a championship team. …………….. it is not………. you see Harris was left off. he makes a big difference. we need more scoring now that JJ and Marvin defense will not be here……

myrak43

July 15th, 2012
5:34 am

but that is still not a championship team…. it should be a pretty good team however. playoff team in the east 1st maybe a 2nd round exit…….. about what we already were.

Andy Ried

July 15th, 2012
9:35 am

John Jenkins looked incredible in his first summer league game, dropping the toughest degrees of shots from downtown with ease. A few early shotclock beaters and coming off screens with a very quick and clean release. I’m really happy with our pick. John will shut his haters up quickly this year.

Ken Strickland

July 15th, 2012
11:41 am

MYRAK43-The moves Ferry has made weren’t designed to make us a championship team at this point. These moves were designed to put us in a position to be able to build a championship caliber team in the near future. We certainly weren’t a championship caliber team with JJ and Marvin, and their contracts weren’t going to allow us to become one.

Without the burden of their contracts, we will now have the cap space and draft picks, along with a core of talented players, that will allow us to acquire what’s needed to make us a championship caliber team. Trading JJ was more than just getting rid of a burdensome contract. It also allowed us to get rid of a style of play that we also instramental in holding us back.

JJ was our leading scorer and go to guy. He was at his best in the slow down halfcourt style of play which featured ISO a lot. The rest of our starting lineup were at their best when playing uptempo fastbreaking style of play. Drew held the others back by playing the OFF style that best suited his go to star, rather than the style that accomodate the majority of his players.

Can you honestly say you’ve seen JJ leading a fastbreak, or filling the lane and finishing one at the rim? Once he got his hands on the ball after a rebound, he walked it up and dominated the halfcourt OFF. JJs absence will allow us to run a style of uptempo fastbreaking OFF that caters to the majority of our players, not just 1 or 2. And Ferry as made it clear, in words and by his acquisistions, that we will play an uptempo style OFF.

With the acquisition of DHarris, LWilliams, KKorver, AMorrow, JPetro, LWilliams, DStevenson, to replace, EDampier, JJohnson, MWilliams, JStackhouse, JCollins, VRad, TMac, WGreen and JPargo, we’ve dramatically upgraded our team quickness, speed, athleticism and youth. This will give us the ability to play more team DEF rather than relying on the DEF of individuals like JJ and Marvin.

JJ was a solid defender, but he didn’t have the quickness or speed to double team and recover. In fact, Pargo and Teague were the only backcourt players with the speed and/or quickness to do that. Now, in addition to Teague, we have Harris, Williams, Jenkins, and Stevenson who can do it. JJ and Marvin’s individual DEF will be missed, but not as much as you might think. Our DEF, just like our OFF, will now be geared more toward the team concept.
This yrs team will me a better without JJ and Marvin than it was last yr with them. Why, because we’ll be quicker, faster, deeper, younger, more athletic, and we’ll play rely more on the team concept.

Ken Strickland

July 15th, 2012
11:54 am

Stop making excuses by using negatives, whether real or imagined, to put players down. Some use the excuse that Korver doesn’t play much DEF, which could be true, but his DEF, or lack thereof, didn’t stop the Bulls from being one of the NBAs top DEF teams. The same can certainly be said for CBoozer, who definitely wasn’t know for his DEF upon becoming a Bull. They used team DEF to make it work. That’s what we’ll see with this yrs Hawks, due to the lack of individual DEF players.

rick

July 15th, 2012
1:09 pm

Josh and Dwight are planning to go to Brooklyn next year and play with Deron, Joe, and Gerald.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2012
1:47 pm

Ken Strickland ,

Exactly…

ryan

July 15th, 2012
3:47 pm

Jason Kidd arrested in the Long Island area .

Ken Strickland

July 15th, 2012
6:20 pm

RYAN-If I’m not mistaken, wasn’t Jason Kidd playing in the NY/NJ area when he was last arrested for domestic violence?

ryan

July 15th, 2012
8:52 pm

He may have !

Ken Strickland

July 15th, 2012
9:06 pm

If we end up trading for the NBAs most dominant, immature, and self centered player, I’ll be excited to see how Ferry develops a championship caliber team with him. If we don’t trade for him, I’ll be just as excited to see how Ferry builds a championship caliber team without him.

Big Ray

July 15th, 2012
10:55 pm

So Mr. Jenkins can shoot, and Mr. Benson averages 20 ppg against summer league scrubs.

Were dead

July 15th, 2012
11:25 pm

@rick HAHAHAHA the nets cant becasue they have NO cap room.

I say start Kieth Benson this year! He is killing it! See how he does and if he turns out to be good, no need for howard and we can get Cp3 instead of howard

1.Teague
2.Jenkins
3.Smith
4.Horford
5.Benson

Were dead

July 15th, 2012
11:27 pm

Next year lineup

1.Chris Paul
2.John Jenkins
3.Josh Smith
4.Al Horford
5.Kieth Benson

ryan

July 16th, 2012
7:40 am

Are we after Mayo or Iguadala who are interested in other than Howard .

Ken Strickland

July 16th, 2012
1:21 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254595-dwight-howard-trade-rumors-latest-rumblings-on-a-potential-d12-deal
Don’t count the Hawks out of the Dwightmare soap opra. It seems the only thing that would hurt the Hawks in their pursuit of Howard would be Orlando’s possible reluctance to trade him to a division rival.

Ken Strickland

July 16th, 2012
1:51 pm

To me, what’s more important than the DHoward saga is who will end up playing SF, even if we successfully acquire him. If Howard isn’t in the picture, we know our starting lineup will be AMorrow or DHarris @ SG, Teague @ PG, Josh @PF, Horford @ OC, and who knows at SF. A do know that AMorrow and DSevenson are listed as SG/SF, but both are around 6′5″ and aren’t good rebounders.

KKorver will be used primarily the same way as LWilliams will be used, as wing and backcourt scorers off the bench. It’s hard to believe that after all of the issues we had with acquiring an even adequate starting PG under Woodson, and before Teague, we now have a backup PG that’s far better than any starting PG since Mookie Blaylock.

We’ve also gone from having only 2 legit PFs, JSmith and IJohnson, to having 4, JSmith, IJohnson, Scott, LWilliams. Scott is considered to be athletic, and he’s 6′ 8″ 237lbs, which puts him squarely between JSmith(6′9″ 240lbs), JJohnson(6′7″ 240lbs), and MWilliams(6′9″ 245lbs). All 3 players played SF at some point during the last 2 or more yrs, and we might see Scott pull duty there.

With his solid OFF gm, and rebounding ability, he just might end up being a perfect option at SF. With a rotation of Teague, Harris, Morrow, Jenkins, and Stevenson, our backcourt is set when it comes to speed, quickness, athleticism, shooting/scoring ability, depth, and versatility. We’re also set as far as depth and talent at PF is concerned, with JSmith, IJohnson, LWilliams, and maybe Scott, and at OC withHorford, Zaza, Petro, and maybe even LWilliams.

JJ and Marvin will be replaced by the acquisition of more talent and depth at what were positions that lacked depth and overall talent last yr, like PG, SG, OC, and PF. This will be a better team than any we’ve had over the last decade or so, either with or without Dwight.

ryan

July 16th, 2012
2:10 pm

If Orlando can’t trade him Howard said he would sit out the season the Hawks have the cap space for 2013 to get CP3 and D12 IMO might be best to go after him next summer the Nets are over the cap to sign him long term but the Hawks could .

Big Ray

July 16th, 2012
2:28 pm

Still on hiatus, I see. Well, I reckon I’ll watch the summer league game today….

Larry Drew

July 16th, 2012
2:54 pm

Is Woody still the coach? Fire Woody!!!!!!!!!!!!

George Bush

July 16th, 2012
2:57 pm

War is a dangerous place…

bird

July 16th, 2012
5:01 pm

The summer league pg’s for the Hawks are garbage.

donte080

July 16th, 2012
5:42 pm

ken strickland….good analysis….I’m sure Billy Knight is rolling over in his graveyard of former GMs seeing the strength of hawks team is now PG, and biggest weakness athletic wing forwards!

Not sure about this being the best hawk team in a decade, but it may be the most interesting one. I personally think we’ll fix SF in next year’s draft….

Ken Strickland

July 16th, 2012
10:42 pm

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2012/7/16/3162083/nba-free-agency-josh-childress-amnestied-by-phoenix-suns-back-to-the
What do you think Hawk fans? Would you consider using Childress as our SF solution? He’d certainly give you rebounding, DEF, very low turnovers, high percentage scoring, and good ball movement. His ability to play and defend 3 positions(PG, SG, SF), would add size and versatility to our backcourt.

ryan

July 17th, 2012
7:13 am

There goes OJ Mayo he heading to Dallas .

KevinM

July 17th, 2012
4:42 pm

After seeing Humphries getting a huge raise to 12M from the Nets, I gotta think Josh will be looking way upwards of that number annually.
Are we going to play out the season before offering Josh a deal at this stage?

Also, On Chills coming back, I’m not sure I don’t want someone more physical as a defender and rebounder as opposed to a slasher at the 3.
I think we have enough shooters unless you start Stevenson at the 2.
But we all know not to trust LD giving Jenkins even a legitimate look at the 2 this early on.
And FWIW, Pape Sy doesn’t fit the mold we need at the 3.

Ken Strickland

July 17th, 2012
7:22 pm

KEVINM-I agree, we have our share of shooters, although you can never have enough of them. Considering how many quality shooters we have, wouldn’t a slasher be a welcome compliment to all of the shooters we have? And why should we have a more physical defender it we’re going to play a more team oriented DEF? The Bulls have been a top 2 DEF team for the last 2yrs, and no one can accuse anyone on that team of being a physical defender.

I just want a good defender at the 3, and I’m not concerned about how he gets it done. If I remember correctly, Childress was one of our best 3pt shooters, if not our best. If you have the shooters to spread the DEF, you want to balance that with slashers and penetrators that can take advantage of that by getting to the rim. Also, I’ll bet that DHarris, LWilliams, JTeague, and JChildress, could get to the FT line as often, if not more so, than JJ did.

Mr.E

July 17th, 2012
7:46 pm

Ken Strickland

July 17th, 2012
9:20 pm

MR.E-Thanks for that very informative article. It at least lets us know where Josh stands in regard to his future with the Hawks.