On hiatus

I’m headed for a few days of R&R. C-Viv is on the beat to keep you updated while I’m away.

The plan is to maintain a space here for your to discuss the Hawks. Be cool, keep it clean and and the forum stays open.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:07 pm

Rudy is much larger than Andre, just as athletically gifted if not more so and does play defense. He will bang, block shots and harass perimeter shooters. But his offensive skills are more advanced big time…

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
2:14 pm

I forgot Zaza started his NBA career in ORL.

Perhaps they don’t want another go-round with him. Zaza is a legit starting C today if he is healthy.
I am still waiting to hear about his health after missing the playoffs.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:20 pm

Rudy,Josh, and Al would be knocking on the ECF doors…Yes?

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
2:29 pm

slim jr.
i dont think so. rudy at SF and Josh at PFis asome but our problem is AL. he is a 4 or 5th scoring option and if he is payed 12+mill i dont find thato be his actual worth. AlL is a PF that has been forced to play C and there is no C’s in the eastern conference, i thinif we traded AL for a scorer and had rudy and josh we’d bust down that east conf door. dont get me wrong AL is a valuable player that does the little things and doesnt need the ball to be effective which is his best value, but he is not really helpful in the playoffs as scoring is key.

donte080

July 13th, 2012
2:34 pm

Al is one of the best Centers in the NBA…..Posters here are crazy wanting him to move to PF….Hawks problem has never been the play of their center, but more the disappointment of Marvin Williams and to a lesser extent, Joe Johnson.

Rudy, Josh and AL would be a very interesting mix for this team…..A heck of alot better than MARVIN, Josh, and AL…

hawksfancents95

July 13th, 2012
2:35 pm

id like to thinkjosh is our SF and AL will get to play PF like he/all of us want. and we will gauge his worth then, i like AL but he is overvalued and would be our best trade asset for any player that can score points as bigs that ave been all-stars and under 28 are in short supply we could trade him to a bottom feeder for a good role player and a lottery 1st and be just the same as the last 6 years.

remember everyone we had the exact same season last year without AL that we’ve had the previous years with AL so i dont value him as much as most do.

BIG DOG

July 13th, 2012
2:38 pm

If the Hawks traded Devin, Zaza, Horford, and 2 1st for D12, Jason Richard.

Teague, Jaosn, Pietrus , Josh, D12

lou, Jenkins, Morrow, Ivan, Collins

Scott, Petro, ?

Hawks need sign Pietrus 3 years 6mill.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:41 pm

@ 6′9″ Rudy has Joe Johnson [two guard] type of ability.. Can put it on the floor, cross you over and pull up from the 15-18 feet all day. He can finger roll, use glass, dunk with with best, et al…

hawkfancents95, interesting take on Al from your perspective..

Danny’s got a plan! He will pounce soon, we hope!

ryan

July 13th, 2012
2:43 pm

I would not mind having Rudy is he on the trading block i know Mayo is and looks like we interested in Iguodala also .

MsDee

July 13th, 2012
2:45 pm

Stefan Bondy: Asked which is best team in New York right now, Joe Johnson: “Nets. Definitely Nets.” Twitter

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
2:46 pm

G’D, Josh isn’t anti-American. He was nurturing injuries the last two times so he didn’t go. You can’t fault a man for not wanting to jeopardize his day job for extra curricular.

The thing I don’t understand is Josh gets in to NO trouble outside of the team. Josh cut back on his technical fouls. And he IMPROVED his play. Many of his teammates say Josh is the biggest cheerleader among them. Josh doesn’t make bad plays out of selfishness, he does it out of trying to make something happen.Yet some of you guys treat Josh like he’s a bad citizen or a bad human being. Josh says he would love to play for a team that have more support, can you blame him? Chris Webber said he was AMAZED at how much Sacramento fans supported the teams compared to the Warriors and Bullets.

The same fans that sit here and say that Woody couldn’t coach and was a terrible offensive coach, are the same one who said that Josh was a bad team player because he got into it with Woody about Woody’s ineptness. If you’re a high school coach, yes, the players shouldn’t question you because they’re kids. If you’re a college coach, yes, the players shouldn’t question you much, because they’re still kids on scholarships. But once you get to the NBA, coaches, GMs, players, and owners have the right to question each other when they see fit. Why? Because now EVERYONE is an adult and a professional. As an NBA player if you see what the coach is doing isn’t working, you’d be a fool not to say something. Because as a player you only have so many years to play before your career is over.

No matter how you look at it, Josh is in the top 20-30 players in the League. That means he is in the top 10% of his profession in the WORLD! Now to the ones who complain about Josh, ask yourself one question. Are you in the top 10% of your profession in the state (not even the world)?

Rod from College Park

July 13th, 2012
2:47 pm

“Also, a guy being an all-star does not mean he should have an all-star career every season for the rest of his career. Mo Williams made the all-star team when he was playing in Cleveland. Jameer Nelson made the all-star team thanks to playing with Howard. Should we expect more out of Mo Williams or Jameer Nelson just because they were all-stars at one point?

And besides besides Horford and Francisco Garcia, can you name me one other member of the DR team? The team is made up of a bunch of nobodys.”

It does not matter who was on his team. As a two time All-Star, Al is supposed to stand out. It was not as if the US team was focusing on him, doubling him or mking it difficult for him to score. He simply had no moves in the post, and they shut down the midrange jumper. My personal belief is that no matter how bad the team, a star player will stand out.

Mike

July 13th, 2012
2:49 pm

I didnt hear on ESPN that Hawks became the front-runner for D12. The only thing i hearing that Houston about to give up their whole team for him.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
2:50 pm

Saying Rudy, Al, and Josh would be in the ECF, is the same thing as saying that Rudy is better than Joe Johnson. And sorry that’s a lie. If Rudy couldn’t lead Memphis out of the first round (when they made their run he was injured), how would he lead the Hawks there? I’d rather take my chances in the lottery than to try Rudy. Also, AI can play THREE positions. Rudy can only play one, and he’s injured there most of the time.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:53 pm

Two things I saw Al do last night that will get him in trouble this coming season. He shot an air ball three[landed 7 feet short] and he tried to shoot a turnaround fade away baseline jumper air ball..Just brutal…Don’t do it again!

#1 hawks fan in PR

July 13th, 2012
2:55 pm

“Mike”…ESPN just don’t want to headline it for whatever reason.

ESPN Report Quote (2nd paragraph):

Dwight Howard isn’t the only big man on the minds of the Los Angeles Lakers’ front office staff these days.

One source familiar with the trade negotiations said Thursday that calls between the Houston Rockets and Lakers discussing a three-way trade have cooled, while the Atlanta Hawks appear to be gaining steam in their pursuit of Howard.

#1 hawks fan in PR

July 13th, 2012
2:56 pm

jhan

July 13th, 2012
2:56 pm

Ramon – “Josh doesn’t make bad plays out of selfishness, he does it out of trying to make something happen”
Does it really matter why he makes bad plays? Why doesn’t he stop?

Are you in the top 10% of your profession in the state (not even the world)?
So Josh is above reproach in your estimation?

Are you in the top 10% of basketball player evaluators in the world? If not you should just keep quiet according to your logic.

No offense intended – just asking.

Slimjr

July 13th, 2012
2:57 pm

Almost forgot he drove right from about 16 feet across into the paint and tried to shoot a semi-finger roll off glass missing the rim by 4 feet……Maybe the Titles are going to his head? LOL..

KevinM

July 13th, 2012
2:59 pm

Somebody’s gotta defend other #1s.

Who’s the best SF defender in the East?

Looking at Houston’s offer, wondering how many contracts ORL considers as bad? They have some talent, and moving it all gives you no chance to compete with mid-range draft picks. The ORL coaching staff will need to hire a day-care service to make sure all the acquisitions get back home to their mama.:)

Is ORL ready to tank the next couple of seasons? I don’t think so. They are the only game in town with a new arena to fill. They have to keep being competitive in the near term. All those pieces don’t give you that chance for the next 3-4 years.

They might be looking up to Charlotte in the standings if Houston can pull this off.

ryan

July 13th, 2012
3:00 pm

That’s good news i doubt Rockets owner would give up his entire team for one player seems like the Hawks keep dodging bullets here Atlanta very much alive in the Howard sweepstakes .

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:03 pm

Jhan, funny that you mentioned that, because while I am not an expert evaluator. The guys who ARE world class evaluators rank Josh that high. So on that subject its pretty safe for me to open my mouth.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:07 pm

And Jhan, I have no problems with someone question Josh as a basketball player. That is always ok. But when people question him as a PERSON, that is out of bounds IMO. Josh is definitely flawed as a player. But people complain about Josh like they know him personally. And I bet some of them are the same one who were in love with Paterno.

donte080

July 13th, 2012
3:08 pm

“Things I saw Al do last night…”

Yes, one game really allows for people who “have an eye for such things” to make absolute comments about a player. Not to mention the fact that for much of the night he was playing one against 2-3 ………

Why the hate for Horford? Do you guys just diss every hawk on the team, or just pick out particular ones? If by miracle the imperfect D12 gets here, I just wonder how long it would take for you guys to ride him as well?

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:14 pm

“The same fans that sit here and say that Woody couldn’t coach…”

Nice post Ra’mon, and this is not a response to it. For the record, I was one of those people. In one of my posts on Hoopinion I stated that no Hawks coach since Lenny Wilkens had been in demand once they left the Hawks. Woody proved me wrong. I still don’t think he’s a good x’s and o’s coach, but he’s humble and he learned from the mistakes he made with the Hawks.

I don’t believe Woody went to NY hoping D’Antoni would fail. Management wanted a defensive assistant for D’Antoni and Woody just ended up being at the right place at the right time. What put him in demand is that he learned how to be more relateable to his players. The fact that he’s got Melo to buy into playing defense is REMARKABLE. Hats off to Woody for keeping his career going and doing it with class.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:16 pm

Donte, if D12 gets here, he will be the best player the Hawks have had since Lou H. (Yes Dwight is better than Dominique, IMO).

Wabe

July 13th, 2012
3:18 pm

I did hear Marc Stein report on Sportcenter that the Hawks were a team still alive in the Howard trade saga, but he said at the moment, Houston is clearly the frontrunner. However, he said that if Atlanta were willing to package Horford + Teague, that would be something difficult for the Magic to walk away from.

Now the question becomes, would we be willing to do that without a Howard extension?

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:19 pm

Buddy, I agree. The coach Woody is today is 5x better than the coach he was back when he and Josh used to get into it (the seasons before Al and Bibby showed up).

DP

July 13th, 2012
3:21 pm

Quote from the wildly overrated ball hogging playoff disappearing Joe Johnson on his trade to Brooklyn:

“I haven’t been this excited since my days in Phoenix.”

That would be the team he forced his way off of because was more interested in hogging the ball on a 15 win team than in being the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team. And now he’s pretending like Phoenix was the good old days.

Funny how the trade happened according to Billy King. King called Danny Ferry, a former teammate at Duke, to congratulate him on the Hawks GM job and Ferry brought up Joe Johnson. Danny, taking advantage of a former teammate and long time friend like that is cold.

allan in texas

July 13th, 2012
3:21 pm

Pending passed physical, Kyle Korver traded to Atlanta. Maybe a sign and trade for Hinrich? Details coming from Chicago Tribune.

Rev in Tampa

July 13th, 2012
3:22 pm

I have an assignment for the blog.

Head over to the Houston Rockets Blog and vote in their poll:

“If Rockets trade for Dwight Howard, do you think GM Daryl Morey can put together a roster that can be competitive next season?”

It is right under the Kyle Lowry picture. Vote “NO”.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/07/kyle-lowry-moves-on-barely-able-to-recognize-the-team-he-left-behind/

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
3:23 pm

Dwight Howard > Horford

I told people coming around 2 years ago that Horford had essentially peaked. I did my research on the measurements, on how advanced his game was coming out of college and people want to just now jump on the wagon.

He’s a good player but what else can he add?
Turnaround jumpers and pull up jumpers will never be his forte,

Teague
Lou/Morrow
Josh
Scola/Brand
Dwight

I can find an offensive PF easier than I can a Dwight Howard level center.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:27 pm

Korver to ATL… lol thank you sir may I have another shooter?

Jae Evolution

July 13th, 2012
3:27 pm

Good pickup in Korver, another expiring and a guy who can play SF while hitting a good % of three’s. Would’ve liked Brewer instead we need some D.

zachreb

July 13th, 2012
3:29 pm

KC Johnson: Pending passed physical, Bulls have traded Kyle Korver to Atlanta. Could be sign-and-trade w/Hinrich. Details soon at chicagotribune.com. Twitter

pointguardslim

July 13th, 2012
3:29 pm

Buddy do you think that Ferry is banking on Josh Smith’s defense too much?

Jeff Teague
Lou Williams (undersized)
Kyle Korver (slow and undersized)
Josh Smith (undersized)
Al Horford (undersized)

eew

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:29 pm

Assignment complete Rev!

Marcus

July 13th, 2012
3:31 pm

interesting …. on Korver. Are we gonna league the league in 3 pt attempts? Smart stock broker better invest in some elbow sleeve and Icy-Hot.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:34 pm

pointguardslim no. Ferry is pushing all in on a philosophy of surrounding his interior players with three point shooters. He’s banking on the Hawks having a better true shooting percentage from threes than the opponents will have driving to the basket vs. weak perimeter defense. Ferry knows all of these guards are going to get beat off the dribble. But a layup only counts for two.

Even if we don’t get Dwight, Josh and Al will spend the whole season posting up against single coverage. Double teams against the Hawks are now impossible.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:35 pm

PS Najeh I stand corrected on Korver’s contract… didn’t bother to look up the fact that it was expiring.

DS

July 13th, 2012
3:36 pm

pointguardslim: just like you did your research on John Leuer, Bogut and Thabeet, right? People here keep forgetting that Horford is still the 3rd best center in the league.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:38 pm

What this philosophy from Ferry also does is basically force Josh to play inside. With so many quality outside shooters and with Joe gone, if Josh stays on the outside and shoots jumpers he will look like a fool. Ferry has already stated they are going to run the offense through the guards. This means Ferry’s intention is for Josh to play inside out. Post up against single coverage, make your move, and if the shot’s not there you have 3 deadly outside shooters to take the desperation 3 as the shot clock expires instead of Josh taking that shot.

Lewis

July 13th, 2012
3:38 pm

not a huge korver fan, he can certainly shoot – whose going to be playing perimeter d tho

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:38 pm

“People here keep forgetting that Horford is still the 3rd best center in the league.”

I’m an All-NBA supporter, but I don’t know if that statement is true.

Buddy Grizzard

July 13th, 2012
3:41 pm

As presently constructed, is Kover now the starting small forward on this roster?

Lewis

July 13th, 2012
3:42 pm

my guess is deshawn stevenson starts at 3

DS

July 13th, 2012
3:45 pm

As presently constructed, I don’t think we have a starting 3 yet.

Ra'mon

July 13th, 2012
3:45 pm

So Horford is better than Duncan, Garnett, Hibbert, Chandler, and Nene?

northcyde

July 13th, 2012
3:47 pm

LOL @ signing Kyle Korver

Yep, we’re Golden State East. Just call us the Atlanta Warriors now.

Hopefully all of these shooters are being accumulated in order to be traded for a better player(s).

J.J.M.

July 13th, 2012
3:48 pm

lmao@starting korver