Atlanta Hawks: Camp report

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screw Obama and Romney, danny ferry for president

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Hopefully Jenkins has to give up that #12 pretty soon too.

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@mc pape sy and ripped don’t go together, just thought i would let you know

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@MC, what percentage do you give the Hawks to get Howard?

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i agree with Will. Thank you Danny Ferry.

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IF the Hawks trade for Dwight and dont trade Josh to get him, BOTH of them coud bolt after next season and leave the Hawks with nothing to show for the trade but tears. Dwight has to commit to a deal beforehand unless Ferry isnt worried if they both go because he will have the majority of cap space free to sign anybody. Under that scenario, it might be worth the risk to trade for Dwight without him saying he wuld resign. BUT then we will have Orlando’s nightmare from last year to deal with….will he stay or will he go…

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MC, thanks for all of the updates.

LD sounds excited to have his personal pet project back in the fold.

Jenkins sounds like a really bright kid, which will likely result in some instant hate for any player capable of forming a sentence without asking “you kno wut I’m sayin’”?

Also like that Scott knows who he is and won’t try to change his game (and likely fail) to meet the expectations of fans who don’t get a vote on his NBA future.

Maybe we should trade Benson for a guard.

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Horford and Teague to Utah for Al Jefferson would be an outstanding move by Danny Ferry!!!

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i think I can answer this, I believe that Atlanta might have the advantage since that HOU-LAL-ORL is not happening right now (believe me that deal sucks) but each day that passes, Atlanta chances gets better.

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@MC, Dan Ferry can fix your car. He can fix anything

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So, let me get this straight. This team is full of guards, NO Small Forward and Al/Zaza/Petro as bigs???

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Dwight Howard WILL be a Hawk….trust me!

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MC=trying to just do his job and risking his life in the same breath. Easy MC, most of us are patient here.

I gotta ask though, when was the last time there has been this much offseason interest in the Hawks? Not since Reggie and Moses came to part the seas here IMO.

I think Jenkins will be a fine pro and will work his tail off to get spot minutes with Lou coming in. I see Lou’s role expaning from Philly as he might spell Teague or Harris at the 1. As much as I wouldn’t mind seeing it, Teague and Harris probably won’t get to know each other very well.

Pape Sy will be this year’s bench gap plug. He’s coming in as a SG after we pick up Morrow, Jenkins, LouWill (its amazing that we continue to add Williams’ to the roster)and Stevenson.

I don’t ‘Sy’ a slot for Pape. Mario West 2K is how I envision him.

Benson isn’t sticking any more than he was last year. Ivan’s here to remind him that this is the ‘No Boys Allowed’ league.

Look out Scott! You’re going to have trouble getting minutes like Benson will….

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Lol, We now know that BK has no imprint on this team, lol. A group of point guards, centers, and no wings, lol. BK is somewhere cursing the organization, lol.

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yeah cause your tag is so original..you think you clever?

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BuddyC
July 10th, 2012
10:42 pm

Dwight Howard WILL be a Hawk….trust me!

Thank you Mr.Nostradamus…

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Dwight and Josh always hold their hands over their mouths before Magic-Hawks games. I wonder what they are talking about. You know Josh has spoken to Dwight because the rumors are everywhere. Al Horford has been especially quiet on Twitter as well.

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Horford and Teague fro Al Jefferson?? Hell to the naw!!!!!!

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Ra’mon
July 10th, 2012
10:47 pm

I’ve always liked Pape Sy He’s always seem to play with a confidence and slight arrogance that would serve him well as a defender in the league.

Guys, if Sy has improved his jumper and can knock down the wide open shot, I would take him over Pietrus, because he has the chance of improving.

Let me guess, you have been smoking some of Snoop Dogs’ Stash…

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Smart enough for you to bite of me.

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@MC, he has been known to work “miracles” in the past. (Iso Joe and Marvin)

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It’s funny how people think the roster is set in July. Lou Williams scored just 4 points a game than JJ off the bench. Their assists and rebounds were equal. We got a great value in Williams. More to come….

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Every player Danny signs makes it less likely that I will ever have to set eyes on scrubs like Pargo, Green, Vlad, Collins, Stack and Damp again. Do work dferry.

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Buddy Grizzard,

He is just doing what Sund wouldnt do…HIS JOB! Not yellin at you, just so much frustration being released. Sund was one of the more incompetant GMs i had ever seen.

Im not a GM, never have been and never will be cause i dont have skills to do that job, heck the most important thing i ever done was pick up doughnuts for the office and i almost screwed that up, but dang…i know i could have done a better job than Sund.

Ferry has been on the job less than a month and BOOM..this guy should be mayor already. And he is NOT finished!

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However….

Looking at all the hoopshype stuff….it seems that 4 team trade foolishness never really came to be.

And the latest is that Houston and L.A. are trying to work something out in a three team trade, but that doesn’t have much in the way of teeth either.

Still….you see stuff like this:

Bucher reported the Atlanta Hawks continue to pursue Howard via trade as well, but one source described Atlanta as “not the best option” for the Magic.

OH? Why?

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I say get D12 even without his sig. Let’s play it out and see where this roster can go. It’s a renewed approach, and Danny has stocked the backcourt with guys who are supposed to be able to get buckets.

Can you imagine what LD is thinking while Danny tears through last year’s roster? He better have U-Haul’s number ready. Training camp is still months away.

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Wabe,

I also think the Magic are reluctant/not inspired to trade Dwight to a division opponent. Bad enough to trade him but to trade him to a team you play 4 times a year and have to compete with for a playoff spot is probably not an idea situation for them…

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Michael Cunningham
July 10th, 2012
10:35 pm

@Billy Butler: “@MC, what percentage do you give the Hawks to get Howard?”

excellent question. hang tight for a bit and i will make some calls to the Hawks, Magic, Dwight, and the three other teams that might be involved and find out that percentage at this very second.

heh heh, way to go MC and take a walk on the wild side and ramble/trimble out on that skinny limb and make a call. yeah i know, it was a probable no win situation but go ahead make a prediction and live on the edge.

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Horford,teague for Jefferson.Noooooo! Dwight come on home. My vision teague,morrow,smith,horrors,dwight,starting five. Another starting free agent would be great.

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Giving up starters for dwight is mo good especially not Al or teague. Zza yes not al or teague

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He’ll always be the Melk Dud to me.

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amen to buddy at 11:03.

can anyone say rejuvenation of a franchise? we all might be bowing down to danny ferry if he wins the d12 sweepstakes, even for one year. if d12 gets here atl gets its swag back on and shows the world an even better face than it showed in 1996 for the olympics. bow down atlanta. f off world. heh heh new york, too. that is to slimj.

i’ll take my chances for even a year of d12 right now as we may be on the cusp. we need a stern baby to take on other stern babies like dwade and lbj. win big and have the best contract to offer and things look good and rosy.

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If the previous GM had not made the dumb trade (Jordan Crawford and first round draft picks) we would already have had a great young talent to provide instant offense off the bench. I like L.W. but I like the confidence that Jordan Crawford plays with better. But enough about the past. L.W. fits the mode of Jamal Crawford as did Jordan Crawford. Gerald Green may have finally matured and wouldn’t be a bad fit if utilize that athleticism he has to slice to the basket and create pressure in the paint.

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doc it will be like MV7 all over again!!!!! LOL!

I believe Gerald Green is the only basketball player in the world to ever Dunk a basketball and blow out a birthday candle at rim level at the same time!!!!!
Talk about a great addition he would be to the Highlight factory???

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Another unintended side effect of a Brook Lopez max contract is that Joe’s max contract will no longer be the worst one on the Nets roster.

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If the Hawks were interested in Gerald Green, wouldn’t they had included him in the Joe Johnson trade instead of Stevenson. Both are free agents and S&T will be needed to be complete in the Joe deal in either case…

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@ Najeh. That means Lakers, Rockets, and Hawks are in the running. Its not just what the Dwight wants, but what the Magic feel is the best course for their rebuild.

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Lou Williams signed to a multi year deal, what is multi year? 2 plus?

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Andrew Bynum straight up for Al Horford (if Andrew declines to sign an extension). I bet Andrew would love to play in the east and avoid the nonsense that would erupt if he stayed in the west when he bails on LA. Andrew would love the Atlanta lifestyle. It’s worth the risk. Al will always be a very good role player who can step up in certain key moments, but will never be a stud at the 5 or 4. He lacks natural athleticism. I close my eyes whenever he tries to back someone down in the paint. It’s awful to watch.

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Danny is a Genius! The Art of War he must of read.Study your enemy to know his strengths and weakness.Come in peace and offer an olive branch knowing full well he is your enemy not your friend. He directly had a major part to play in the Nets[his enemy] unable to trade for D12… And its flying under the radar..But Ah Ha I’m on to ya Danny Boy! LOL

The Joe Johnson trade..Freaking brilliant! Solved problems on multiple fronts, which have already been discussed on these blogs….

As the days pass it may pan out that the iso trade truly may have been the beginning of the end to the Nets[his enemy] being able to trade for D12!

Danny is Laying his trap and then when the time is right: Pounce!
Awesome..

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By any means necessary! If he walks next year so be it. Philips will be full. This city is waiting for a team to take it by storm.what better then a bunch of atlanta boys! Get d12 at all cost. Atlanta should bethe place athletes wanna play. Superman and smoove. Make it happen. Would love to keeps zaza tho.

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Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
11:56 pm

doc it will be like MV7 all over again!!!!! LOL!

then give me the upside only and spare me the down side please.

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Man yall are crazy. even if we got D12 you jack asses that keep asking for him still wouldn’t show up. Stop bsing around.

Do not trade for howard. we will be screwed.

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What a JOKE!! Sorry but the Hawks are not committed to winning a ring point blank.. it really is a joke, you are supposed to play for a ring every year, not prepare for the free agents after this up coming season. what man in his right mind is going to come to a team who with current ownership will prob be joining the team formaly known as the thrashers up in Canada very soon..

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Bulls lose CJ Watson as well now. They are pinching for pennies, I semi expected them to make moves similar to what we did in getting rid of some of those big contracts in either Boozer or Deng.

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Rod,

Oh boy … Where should I start…

Let’s see.

Lou is much younger and is improving every year. Jamal is 30 and last year was a pretty bad year which could indicate that he is going down.

Check minutes per game as well, so you can have a better idea on who is the best passer (I haven’t checked yet, but it’s a hunch).

What else … Umm Lou has been in the playoffs at 23 and 24 years old.

Crawford was never a party to successful basketball and swapped teams – not by his own option – more often than you swap sox.

Lou has been dropped by PHI in favour of a super talented offensive talent which – surprise surprise – did not stick with the Clippers…

Major mistake by PHI in my opinion, but time will tell. Sincerely, I don’t see them making the playoffs without a major move to replace Brand.

Are they similar? Yes, of course, but Lou does not look as autistic as Crawford out there in my opinion.

You know, beauty is in the details and I think that the details that differentiate Jamal from Lou favour the latter.

What else? HALF THE SALARY, which means that he will come at the right level in the roster pecking order.

I ALWAYS said that if I were the coach I would have no problem at all having Jamal on the roster but I would play him less minutes and shorter stints.

I know that LD will continue to make the same mistake with Lou but at least his 82games.com numbers give me hope to think that he is a tad better on the defensive end and that might be enough (see above commentary on “details”).

Finally, I live the “homeboy” concept and think that it could be a winning factor for us if we get in board a quality bunch of guys with ATL-Georgia connections.

That. Luke give the group a small hedge on the “togetherness” department. Again, see “details”.

Finally, it was obvious that having traded JJ and received filler with no shot creation skill at the SG slot we would need some fire power on our backcourt (since I do no expect Harris and Teague to coexist). At this price, it’s an excellent pick up.

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@doc

“…can anyone say rejuvenation of a franchise? we all might be bowing down to danny ferry if he wins the d12 sweepstakes, even for one year. if d12 gets here atl gets its swag back on and shows the world an even better face than it showed in 1996 for the olympics. bow down atlanta. f off world. heh heh new york, too. that is to slimj…” – doc @11:39pm dated 7/10/2012

And this is coming from a guy [doc] who used to constantly refer to Dwight Howard as “Supergirl” [or “supergirl”]. Just a few short months ago, you, doc, used to criticize D-12 [Dwight Howard] about his “attitude” and, now, since the Hawks [franchise] appears to have a [decent] chance at acquiring D-12, you want to act [all] giddy and are prepared to “ride his [Howard’s] jock” in full cowboy regalia [e.g., cowboy hat and drawstring, cowboy boots and spurs, chaps, bandana, six-shooters, string tie, lasso/rope, etc.] Can you [doc] say “giddyup”?

As “Bugs Bunny” used to say, “What’s up, doc?” [SMH]

Just kidding witcha, doc.

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Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops
Source on Dwight Howard trade: “It’s all coming to a head.” Translation: He’s being dealt somewhere today.
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I don’t trust the notorious NYC homer Sheridan as much as the usual Twitter suspects like @WojYahooNBA, @AlexKennedyNBA, @KBergCBS, @ESPNSteinLine etc. but we’ll see what happens I guess.

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Top trending on twitter

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Javele mchhee!!!!

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@vava74

“…Lou is much younger and is improving every year. Jamal is 30 and last year was a pretty bad year which could indicate that he is going down.

Check minutes per game as well, so you can have a better idea on who is the best passer (I haven’t checked yet, but it’s a hunch).

What else … Umm Lou has been in the playoffs at 23 and 24 years old.
Crawford was never a party to successful basketball and swapped teams – not by his own option – more often than you swap sox.

Lou has been dropped by PHI in favour of a super talented offensive talent which – surprise surprise – did not stick with the Clippers…

Major mistake by PHI in my opinion, but time will tell. Sincerely, I don’t see them making the playoffs without a major move to replace Brand…” – vava74 @2:09am dated 7/11/2012

First, Jamal Crawford is [currently] 32 years old. I find it “interesting”/”intriguing” that the Los Angeles Clippers chose to sign Jamal Crawford to a multi-year contract and not [(to) re-sign] Mo Williams, Randy Foye and Nick Young. And then the 76ers chose to sign Nick Young and not [(to) re-sign] Lou Williams. You do realize that Jamal Crawford was selected over the player [Nick Young] who was selected over Lou Williams – right? [Go figure.] What does that tell you about Jamal Crawford? It should tell you that he [Crawford] is [still] considered a valuable commodity/asset, a prolific scorer and was highly desired and sought after by a Clippers team that has strong aspirations of making a deep playoff run in an extremely competitive Western Conference.

You [vava74] said it was a “mistake” that Philly didn’t re-sign Lou Williams but, yet, you didn’t feel the Hawks made a “mistake” by not re-signing Jamal Crawford in 2011. For two consecutive post seasons [2010-2011], the Hawks with Crawford advanced to the EC Semis and won a total of ten [10] playoff games but, in the very next post season [2012], the Hawks without Crawford only won two playoff games and were eliminated in the first round [of the playoffs]. It appears [to me] the Hawks [franchise] made a “mistake” by not re-signing Jamal Crawford for the 2011-2012 regular season.

Jamal Crawford has the 2009-2010 SMOY Award on his [NBA] resume whereas Lou Williams has the 2011-2012 SMOY runner-up on his [NBA] resume.

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High-sider,

Being signed by the Clippers has never been a staple of a player’s quality… more of their poor management.

Also, last year, we did not have cap room to offer 5 million to Jamal since it would have catapulted us into luxury tax territory if we had used the mid-level exception…

And probably with questionable results, in particular with LD at the elm.

And what part of him shooting .380 for the year you don’t understand as bad?

I am going out on the limb and say that the Clippers will regret their option before Christmas.

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We have a new Jamal Crawford. His name is Anthony Morrow, not Lou Williams.

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Crawford’s advantage over Williams is 4″ in height and longer arms. In this year’s playoffs, we saw what happens to 6′1″ shooting guards. They pretty much get shutdown unless they can also get to the rim. Lou Williams has experienced the same problems in his brief playoff career. Big drop off in his shooting %’s.

Lou’s regular season %’s, 42% & 33%. Lou’s postseason %’s, 36% & 23%.

Crawford actually has shot a higher % on 3’s in the playoffs, although it is also a small sample size.

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If Dwight to Atlanta doesn’t happen today, we lessen our chances for the next couple of months. Only “package” trade eligible players for next two months are Teague, Smith, Horford, and Pachulia, after today.

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The Hawks have Jeff Teague as the returning starter at point guard. Teague, Harris and Williams provide an apparent surplus at point guard which could be an indication new Hawks general manager Danny Ferry is interested in another trade.

Ferry made a brief appearance at Tuesday’s practice but soon left, holding his cellphone to his ear.

“We’re still involved in talks,” Ferry told The Associated Press.

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http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/10/hawks-moves.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2

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brigadierJerry,

Right about that! I was so sick and tired of hearing “We like our core.”

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Can we all just agree to forget about Jamal Crawford? Dang, he is gone. Move on.

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JUST MOVE TO SEATTLE ASAP PLEASE… NO INTEREST HERE ANYMORE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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“Coach, just tell me what you need for me to do and I’ll be studying film, I’ll be studying tape, I want to get better in that area.’ He’s a great kid. I’m happy that he’s part of our organization.”

Let me get this straight … Coach Drew’s comments are in reference to an NBA player? AN NBA PLAYER? OK, now I get it … I just looked out my window and saw a pig with wings fly over my neighbor’s house … I’m dreaming!

Please tell me I wasn’t dreaming when I read that the Hawks have reportedly traded Marvin Williams … PLEASE!

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I can’t wait to ‘Sy’ the new and improved Pape in SL.

He’s moving to SF to hide his jump shot.

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“Jamal lovers will finally stop soaking their tampons.”

LOL!

“I like L.W. but I like the confidence that Jordan Crawford plays with better.”

People have really got to put down the crack pipe. Lou Williams was the leading scorer on a playoff team. JC2 wasn’t even the leading scorer on one of the worst teams in the NBA. Please, please get help.

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http://youtu.be/4BQ6iCgaoH8

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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looks like the Hawks are trying to get better in the shooting the ball dept. good idea.
draft picks appear to shoot well and so does pick up Super Lou.
that is what beat the Hawks in the playoffs, Celts superior shot making ability.
Danny Ferry is doing his job. another good pickup for the ASG, boy have they really turned it around. now just keep it up.

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Gerald Green is 6′8

Can play SG OR SF

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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vava, the case looks like you can throw a blanket over the two, but not on age to our advantage and for years at four not three. so we got this guy who acts on the court like jamal at a much better price than we spent when we had jamal. we also are on for four years with lou, hopefully in his prime.

i liked jamal but not so much at 10 mil and said many times over, we had no money in the kitty the way sund and the asg operated last year to sign him. oh, we also now get lou at a premium to jamal of 1 mil a year, 6mil vs 5mil. man that is enough to pay one vet minimum. heh heh, maybe stack can come back and be our sf or better yet mooo evans!!!!!! bargain shoppers unite.

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Just Joe, I don’t see a scenario where Ferry takes back both bad contracts from the Magic (certainly not without a signed extension). We should get the very best of Teague this season. His little brother is in the league (surely he doesn’t want the lil guy to do better), he potentially has Devin Harris and Lou Williams on the team fighting for PG time (hopefully Lou won’t be asked to play more than token minutes at PG, but with LD you never know) and he is a RFA at the end of the season. For all of the conspiracy theroists out there talking about the victimization of Jeff Teague, this is his season to break free from the middle of the pack (no excuses).

My preferred list of SFs (minimum wage only) is Pietrus, Grant Hill and Ronnie Brewer (in that order). IMO, we need a guy who comes in knowing they will likely get the 6th most FGAs on the team (behind Josh, Al, Lou, Teague & Morrow).

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And add Bill Walker to my list as well (of cheap SFs). And move Brewer to #2, behind Pietrus.

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Lang Greene:The Hawks are loading up on perimeter shooters this summer. Anthony Morrow, John Jenkins and now potentially looking to add Korver to mix.about 24 minutes ago

Lang Greene:The Atlanta Hawks are rumored to be interested in trading for Kyle Korver http://bit.ly/Mihhkgabout 33 minutes ago

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Hinrich S&T for Korver would be a good deal for both clubs. Saves Chicago some money. Adds another shooter with a little more height (6′7″) to the Hawks.

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Does anyone see a pattern here? Spurs have slashing quick PG with a bunch of 3 point shooters and a big man. hmmmmmmm

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PG: Teague / Williams
SG: Morrow / Jenkins
SF: Turkoglu / Korver
PF: Scott
C: Butch

would that qualify as surrounding Dwight & Josh with 3-pt shooters?

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This is for Slim…….

http://espn.go.com/espn/photos/gallery/_/id/8136693/bodies-want-2012

Candace Parker could fill our 3 role…..guaranteed! And if we have to take of Shellhead? Hmmmm…..

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hey guys i’m dwight howard’s best friend and he said he coming to atlanta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just Joe!

Just stop it. Lou is NOT a PG … Devin, is. Stick to your day job, go ahead and clock in now. lol

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drmaryb…

Lou is a combo-guard. He plays both guard spots. He replaced Holiday at times last year, and he played beside him.

If Teague is going to get 35 minutes a night at PG, Harris is going to live with 13? No way. Harris will be gone. Williams will take the 13+/- backup PG minutes, plus another 15+/- at SG.

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But you got to remember that Spurs was a very good 3-point shooting team as well. But I like these deal, I think Hawks is going to be 3 point shooting team like Spurs.

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Orlando ran an offense with a lot of shooters, a penetrating point guard, and Dwight getting rebounds. The biggest difference would be having Josh paired alongside Dwight.

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“Rev in Tampa

July 11th, 2012
10:35 am
Orlando ran an offense with a lot of shooters, a penetrating point guard, and Dwight getting rebounds. The biggest difference would be having Josh paired alongside Dwight.”

That will be huge should we get beyond lucky. Sounds like only us and Houston can do a 2 team trade.

Danny’s in it til the end so I give him credit for his efforts, successful or not. He has us built for a major move, so let’s see if he can pull this off.

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Stack to Brooklyn!

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“@ajchawks: MT @chadfordinsider: Nets reached a verbal commitment with Jerry Stackhouse on a 1-year deal worth $1.3M

How does Stack continue to find a roster slot?

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I MUS WRITE ,

I’d like to keep Teague as well, but it just may not be happening if a Dwight deal goes down.

Of the guys you mentioned waiving, Stevenson is one guy I’d be ok with keeping around JUST because of his defensive effort/ability.

I hear you on Dwight…and you’re right – trading Al should only happen if we’re getting a bigger pivot or more talented PF in return. Of course, that doesn’t work so well with Josh here in the meantime, Unless we move him to the 3 and insert Zaza into the starting lineup at center.

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Astro ,

Yep. And the Nets can’t just simply “get Dwight” either. Apparently neither can the Lakers. Odd that this multiple team trade stuff keeps coming up, huh? My guess is that Brooklyn and LA need other teams to absorb sizeable contracts of other players on their teams, or they won’t be able to sign Dwight….regardless of whether it’s for one year or several.

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Stefan Bondy
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I’m not saying insurance on Lopez’s contract is not smart. It is. I’m just saying that’s a tough sell to Orlando. “Oh, and by the way, we needed to get insurance on his contract because he might break his foot for a third time and never play.”
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Stefan Bondy

Stefan Bondy
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So let me get this straight: the Nets, who’ve been saying all along they weren’t worried about Brook Lopez’s foot, are now trying to get insurance on what will become a max contract. And at the same time, they’re trying to sell this to Orlando as the centerpiece of a package for one of the top 5 players in the NBA?
45 minutes ago

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Ray- As much as i want to keep Teague If we can get Love /Howard for him and AL im all in…..

Korver, Jenkins,Morrow,Lou Will….there has to be a trade in the works, we have 7 players at PG/SG. If not its bombs away

Since were offering Al/Teague and draft picks I wonder if we could get lamarcus Aldridge or K. Love…2 of my favorite pivot players……..

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KevinM! Just Dayum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sign her up yesterday Danny!

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Man, read between the lines here. We are assembling a bomb squad that will fit nicely with Teague, Smoove and D12.

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Hawks will be a younger version of the Spurs!

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“Slimjr

July 11th, 2012
11:03 am
KevinM! Just Dayum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sign her up yesterday Danny!”

Slim, you sign Shellhead, you get more shots of CP at Philips!
That guy is the ultimate in ‘outpunting’ your coverage.
And did you notice its CP, not CPW?
And did you know the max contract in the WNBA is 101K??? The entire team can’t exceed 800K!!
CP can come and sit on our bench any day for the league minimum!

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“Lang Greene:The 76ers continue to deny shopping Andre Iguodala, but have logjam at SF w/ Mo Harkless, Thaddeus Young, Iguodala and now Dorell Wright.”

Hmmm…Iquodala a Hawk????

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Well, I see the hate Josh Smith banter has died down now that the crew is beginning to envision DH and Smoove in the same frontcourt. Getting a legitiimate big should have been the Hawks priority when it became apparent playing Horford out of position and relying on ZaZa’s hands of stones were not going to take them to the next level. We will see.
Oh Smoove haters, Josh never demanded a trade. He did say that he wanted to play for a franchise whose fans support the team and one where management is committed to winning. Will the owners and the new GM’s moves usher in an era of “new Hawks” and win over the bandwagon Hawks fans? Appreciate what we have. Nothing succeeds like winning. We will see.

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And anyway, the problem wasn’t about Horford/Pachulia, it was about having a superstar contract for a non-superstar player and a “starter’s” contract for a non-starter. Hence, Joe and Marvin being traded. Otherwise it would have been Zaza and Al traded.

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drmryb ,

Whassup baby girl? Good post at 11:11 pm by the way…

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Big Ray on FIRE!

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Sweet Lou Jr was on 680 the Fan this am in the 9:00 hour. He said he did not think he was coming home after the initial offer from Danny but Danny came back with another offer and Sweet Lou Jr jumped on it! Heheheh!

He also briefly mention that the Hawks still have a shot at bringing D12 to Atlanta…Hmmmmmmmmmm

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Guys if the Hawks get Dwight, its a win. If the Lakers get Dwight and Rockets get Bynum, its a win. If Rockets get Dwight its a win. If Rockets get any pieces and end up in the playoffs, that is what the Hawks want. Long as Dwight isn’t in a Nets jersey this season, its a win.

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Is Al Thornton a free agent. That will be a great SF pick up and another georgia boi on the roster.

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DrmaryB- I’ll have to disagree with you on Teague not being a PG. While hes not the classic pass first PG (Rondo/Nash) he’s pretty good and still developing. Sessions would be a nice addition as a back up PG-quick pass first type PG….I just dont see Devin Harris being here. Teague/Session and Lou occasionally works for me at PG.

Ray I dont know if we signed him yet I read on hoopshype we were looking ointo getting him.

I wouldnt trade Al /Teague for Jefferson that man has digressed since the knee injury. He looks okay but not worth that trade.
I see the US team is playing the DR tomorrow….I wonder if Jumpshot Al will show up or again be the 3rd best player on the team. Someone said it earlie but I cringe everytime I see him making a back to the basket move. Its a right handed drive to the lane for a jump hook or nothing …Ive seen this show before – Serious question -are we cool with Al just developing a jump shot while his rebounding and post game stays the same.From the looks of things we will have plenty of gunners. Who gives us points in the post.

That mans post game leavs alot to be desired.

Slim JR-U were spot on Nichols looks pretty good so far -granted playing against summer league talent. He has nice footwork and a soft touch around the rim. Dude gonna be dangerous when he adds the jumper and experience to go with his post game.

I was playing a pickup game at La Fitness yesterday and a cupl things stood out…im old Lol but still effective shooting the rock and passing. also these yungns today are all flash and no substance-And 1 mixtape tour has really ruined alot of these dudes. Sum guy says ” im going to walk on at UGA next yr”
What??? C’mon son – Im only 6′4 and about 215 if you cant score on me at will- maybe trying out for clark Atlanta is a better option. 6′6 200 PF on a D1 squad is a pipe dream…….

Good Day folks time to get sum cupcakes…….

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“JHFan

July 11th, 2012
11:44 am
Am I the only one who kind of likes DeShawn Stevenson?”

I’m there with you and would like to know the details on his 3/6.9M deal he signed. I think he could be good for us defensively and that Dallas team appreciated what he brought to the team while he was on the floor.

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The 2012 NBA Summer League will showcase 13 of the top 14 picks in this year’s NBA Draft. The action tips off at 1 p.m. PT, Friday, July 13, with the Atlanta Hawks playing the Washington Wizards in the first of four scheduled games that day at COX Pavilion

NBA TV televising 39 of the 60 games live this year…..there are 20 teams involved this year….wall-2-wall.

Pape Sy 2.0 is only 2 days away!

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I hear ya, CP. I just think Stevenson fills a niche for us. We have plenty of guys who can fill it up. But, do we have anyone who can stop the other guy from filling it up? That’s where Stevenson has value to this roster.

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“I may have missed this story but what is the contract status of TMac, Pargo and Willie Green?”

Their contracts have already expired and they are unrestricted free agents. The Hawks have not yet renounced their cap holds, so they potential could be used in a sign and trade, assuming they agreed to the terms.

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Buddy,

From what we have see so far, Ferry does not seem the type of guy who will easily be coaxed into a bad contract.

He has been smooth and precise as a sniper.

Almost zero rumours on JJ being shopped, zero rumours on Marvin being shopped and zero rumours on Lou being signed.

Things just got public when done.

Obviously, Howard is a different matter since it’s impossible to keep away a rumour on a player of that magnitude and visibility which is being actively shopped.

So, I am confident that Ferry will still have a few nice deals up his sleeve that we are not aware of at all and that he is milking the Howard situation to the max in order not to be subject to requests for more.

My view is that Ferry is making a low ball offer to ORL (Horford, Harris, maybe another filler and a pick) and when the time is right will increase the offer with Teague and maybe even Zaza.

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I think Korver’s contract expires next summer. Morrow for Korver makes sense for both teams… with Hawks paying a little more but getting a SF sniper as opposed to a SG sniper.

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Vava, Ferry is negotiating from a position of strength. Assuming that Orlando doesn’t want to build around Brook Lopez on a max contract with bad feet (is that too much of a stretch?), Orlando has few options. They can ship bad contracts to Houston and receive a ton of picks. This is a crap shoot. None of those picks may pan out, and Orlando is left with nothing.

Bynum won’t extend with Orlando and has health and character issues. The Lakers have no picks. That leaves the Hawks. Al Horford is quite simply the best player Orlando can possibly get in a Dwight trade. Maybe they don’t want Horford because they want to tank and get high lottery picks. I’ve heard that’s not the case because Rich DeVos is too old to wait around for a rebuild.

So Danny Ferry is holding the only All-NBA center who is a leader and a high character person, who happens to be from Florida, who is low risk and who would make Rob Hennigan seem like he got something substantive out of trading Dwight. Nobody else has what the Hawks have to offer. Therefore, I agree that Ferry is probably lowballing. But I don’t think the final offer is going to include three rotation players for the Hawks. Why should Ferry gut our roster to get Dwight? We can just sign him outright as a free agent next summer. Bad contracts from Orlando? Forget about it.

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“Are we just fooling ourselves or is ESPN failing to report all the news on Howard?”

Major media like ESPN desperately want Dwight to end up in New York or L.A. It helps their advertising revenue. Dwight to Atlanta doesn’t help their bottom line. They need the big markets excited about sports.

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I’d rather see a S&T of Hinrich for Korver. It preserves the exception for the Bulls. They could go out and sign another free agent.

Minnesota is probably offering a S&T of Martell Webster??? Wes Johnson???

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I’ve been reading these blogs for a long time and Ken hit the nail on head. “Rep your team!”

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You make perfect sense, Buddy.

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High-Sider:

“Given the history of Atlanta Hawks’ management blunders, how can you [vava74] criticize the Los Angeles Clippers’ management?”

WTF does this have to do with the FACT that being signed by the Clippers is NOT A VOUCHER of a player quality, quite the contrary.

The Clippers have been considered for AGES as the worst run franchise in the NBA and for me, CONTINUE to be poorly run, in spite of landing Paul last year.

What you said in reply to my post has nothing to do with what I said apart from the fact that whoever was signed by the Hawks (pre-Ferry) could obviously be subject to the same type of negative judgement, derived from the entity doing the signing and awarding the contract.

ie. a franchise which overpaid Bibby, Marvin, Mo Evans and JJ could not be relied to be the bearing of a player’s correct market and basketball worth.

The fact that Hawks have been so poorly run does not invalidate the fact that Clips have also been poorly run.

Just look at:

- DeAndre’s contract;
- the fact that they ditched one of their most important bench pieces – Reggie Evans – for a bag of chips (he will be missed there);
- the extension granted to Del Negro (!!!);

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“So in the playoffs Jamal Does everything offensively better than Lou .”

Yeah… Jamal was great in Games 5 & 6 against Chicago with our season on the line. Point proven. Definitely the guy I want in my foxhole. Your logic is unassailable.

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Rod,

Don’t be an idiot:

The sample is not big enough to compare:

If a player (JAMAL) faces 10 times an average/good defensive team like ORL (with 4 games being blowouts in which ORL was not even bothering to exert any effort to defend after 1 quarter) and 7 times an average defensive team like MIL – so, 17 out of 23 games of playoff experience – and once faces on the remaining 6 games a very good defensive team (CHI), he is bound to have better numbers than a player whose playoff experience was 100% against top defensive teams: CHI and MIA.

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Buddy, I like Lou, but the same playoff argument could be made against Lou as your making against Jamal.

Games 5, 6, and 7 against Boston this year, Lou shot 10 of 32, 0 for 8 from 3.

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I see a lot of you feel the signing of LWilliams has something to do with DHoward. Well, what if it had everything to do with the fact that our 2 PGs, JTeague and DHarris, are in the final yr of their contracts and he represents a safety net. Besides, a 4 guard rotation of Teague, Harris, Williams, and Jenkins isn’t bad at all. I believe Stephenson will have to beat out Pape Sy for a roster spot.

What concerns me the most about the Hawks, if DHoward isn’t acquired, is LDrew. He’s on a 1yr contract extension, which means he might pull a WOODSON and rely heavily on our vet players, while not being motivated to develop, play, or even retain any of our rookies on the roster.

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IN THE PLAYOFFS AND FINALS, GUARDS ALONE ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT DONE!

U NEED TALENTED Bigs who can take the pressure off the guards by attacking the basket in the POST!

Your [Front Line] wins Championships.. The guards are icing on the Cake….

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o’b yeah melkey was, but have you ever not had a bad year? heh heh

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I’ll say it again. If we get Howard, then the Nets don’t get. They will max out Lopez and effectively have zero cap space, esp not enough for D12. So his number one choice will be gone. The only team we’d have to be scare of at that point is Dallas. Ferry roll the dice and bring him in. Even if he chose to go to Dallas, he’d be giving up 25 million dollars.

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Danny could put the ice on cake with D12 and Gwerald Green.

Please no Kyle Kover.

Make the right move Danny.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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“Buddy, I like Lou, but the same playoff argument could be made against Lou as your making against Jamal.

Games 5, 6, and 7 against Boston this year, Lou shot 10 of 32, 0 for 8 from 3.”

Ding. But my logic is unassailable. LOL

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O ‘Brien – If the Hawks trade for D12 trust me the High Light Factory will be sold out every game.

D12 would be the latest superstar in this city sense MV7.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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“It’s funny though. If people hated ISO JOE, what do they think Lou Williams is? Like Rod says, he plays almost exactly like Jamal, with the exception of him being able to draw more fouls when he goes to the hole. If given the choice between the two, I’m taking Lou over Jamal.”

We actually agree on this. The one issue I have thaough is I think Jamal gets to the line and shoots a higer percentage from the line than Lou.

In the playoffs Jamal has played a total of 23 games, and gone to the line 109 times.
In the playoffs Lou Williams has played a total of 30 games and gone to the line 116 times.

They are the same guy. Who you would choose is your opinion. Jamal is a better playoff performer, so at this point I would choose Jamal, but I like both guys.

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“The sample is not big enough to compare:

If a player (JAMAL) faces 10 times an average/good defensive team like ORL (with 4 games being blowouts in which ORL was not even bothering to exert any effort to defend after 1 quarter) and 7 times an average defensive team like MIL – so, 17 out of 23 games of playoff experience – and once faces on the remaining 6 games a very good defensive team (CHI), he is bound to have better numbers than a player whose playoff experience was 100% against top defensive teams: CHI and MIA.”

Huh? What?

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Are you guys seriously going to go page after page comparing Lou and Jamal? I mean they are both mediocre NBA players. They have strenghts and weaknesses, but in the right rolls they both can flourish. In the wrong rolls they both can look terrible. Neither can play defense, both can score. It’s really that simple.It’d be nice if you guys would let it go.

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Just Joe,

No one here is putting faith in Lou Williams being a “saviour”.

He will struggle against top rate defenses, like anyone else but the superduper stars (look at Paul Pierce and James Harden’s stats against MIA, for instance).

The issue is:

He is young (25) so there is margin for progression, pretty cheap (5million) so we do not compromise cap space with a “gunner” and he is from ATL.

Furthermore, Lou’s career regular season stats are – across the board – better than Jamal’s and the sample of playoff stats is skewed and distorted by the difference in number of games played against quality opposition, so they cannot be used as a bearing or at least without an in depth analysis.

Heck, if we take into consideration JJ’s stats against BOS in 2008, MIA and CLE in 2009 (injured against CLE), MIL in 2010 and ORL in 2011 we would be satisfied with him.

The issue is against the stronger opponents.

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Ken . . you have to let your personal bias toward the guy, and look at the benefits the guy brings to the Hawks.

- a legit #1 star center

- much more revenue to the team

- a chance to form the best defensive frontline in the league ( if paired with Smith )

With the Hawks being able to retain one of it’s star players, this deal is a no-brainer. Like others have said, getting Johnson and Marvin off the books should be for the sole purpose of bringing in a superstar. Dwight is a superstar. And the Hawks are fooling themselves if they think a superstar will “willingly” sign with a mediocre Hawks team just because we have the cap room.

If we miss this opportunity to get Dwight, we may NEVER get a superstar player here.

Like you, I’m a HAWKS fan first and foremost. And regardless of who is on this team, I’ll be a fan AND support them whenever I can. But this is literally a franchise changing opportunity right here. You don’t pass up that opportunity for the sake of “cap flexibility”.

The reasons to do this deal far outweigh the reasons not to do this deal. Ferry should call Orlando, ask them what they want, negotiate his azz off, and pull the trigger before he goes to the Lakers.

- Horford
- Teague
- 2 First Round picks

Negotiations should start right there.

If they want us to take one of the longer contracts off of their hands, fine. Give them Devin Harris and we’ll take back either Hedo or Richardson. We need a SF anyway.

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Lou William is better than Jamal Crawford.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Lou is PG not SG, he would get destroyed at SG on defense he is only 6′1 175pounds.

Teague or Devin will be traded with in the next week.

3 top notch point guard on the same team, somebody will be traded soon.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Pull the Trigger yesterday!

I Co-sign Northcyde! Good stuff…

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This is a legacy changing move..It will never be the same around these parts!

JUST DO IT!

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Slimjr:

“Let me let u in on a little secret.. I don’t want to be stuck the next 44 years with a failing basketball franchise…”

WHAT? What are you talking about?

You are Knicks’ fan, so you have only been waiting for a new championship since ‘73, which makes it only 39 years.

Your math is crooked bad.

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The national media and david stern dont want dwight in ATL just like they didnt want CP3 in LA….. I hope a deal is reached soon all this howard talk is giving me a headache.

Arguing for agrguing sake…SMH Lou williams is the same player as JC1 hes jus 4.5 million dollarz cheaper …I’LL TAKE IT

LD should be fired for his choice of suits alone….. Give this man a clothing allowance. JC Pennys is the only retailer that carries Arrow Suits…. disgusting

After all this chatter if DH12 goes back to orlando he will be the new Lebron as far as public opinion goes. Not 1 Not 2 Not 3 Not 4 Not 5 ……… DH12 AKA the Waffle King.. If i was Stan vandundy i would have socked the S_yt outta him during that press conference. You caused me to get fired and now you are smiling and making jokes ……Chris Childs 2 peice on kobe…anybody remember that Lol Funny as he__

Kobe is so full of his self..he actually thinks he could handle a 29 yr old jordan atage 33/34…Wkae up homie MJ was dropping 20 as a 41 yr old…Boi Stop

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The argument Lou vs JC1 is just wrong………

It should be Lou vs. Joe….that’s the production we’re having to replace.

JC1 didn’t do squat for us last year.

At the price we got Lou…..he is at least 60% the player Joe is…..and his salary doesn’t reflect it.
That’s how overpaid Joe is, and he would be overpaid at 12M/year.

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Just Joe

July 11th, 2012
1:36 pm

I like Lou & Jamal.

I do not like how LD used Jamal.

I probably will not like how LD uses Lou.

I have no faith in LD managing the guard minutes between Teague, Harris, Williams, Morrow, Jenkins & Stevenson. It’s almost too many options.

Lou, at 25 yr old, on a 4yr deal starting at $5M, is solid value.

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And this is the real issue: How will Lou be used?

If he’s seen as the hired gun off the bench, Drew better have sense enough to take him out of the game when he’s ice cold ( shooting below 38% FG ). And with Lou, this happens a little over 40% of the time. So a coach MUST manage his minutes and play him ONLY when he has it somewhat going.

The problem with Drew, is that he has a tendency to play his best offensive players in order to get back into a game, instead of opting to go with a defensive squad to get stops and score in transition. So if we keep Teague, I can see instances in which Drew opts to keep Lou in the game because he feels that they need scoring, but sacrifice defense in the process.

I will agree that Williams may be a safety valve in case the market gets extremely overpriced for Teague next summer.

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Dwight would clearly bring excitement. I’m just not sure that he (and Josh) get us beyond the 2nd round. But it would be a must-see novelty for at least 2-3 seasons for Atlantans who crave an event to be seen. And the Hawks would give them 41+ events per season.

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NORTHCYDE-I don’t have anything against DHoward, other than his immaturity, or him becoming an Atlanta Hawk. I do, however, have issues with us mortgaging our future on the hope he’ll do a 180 degree reversal on his current decision not to resign with the Hawks, or any other team other than the Nets.

It’s easy for fans to rationalize the deal since none of us is risking a dime, let alone millions, on the decision. If any of you, who are willing to throw caution to the wind and make the deal for Howard, were risking your own money, I’m certain you’d want more assurances that he resign after 1yr, other than having 3 of his friends on the roster, or Atlanta being his hometown, or Ferry and Josh being able to convince him to do what the Magic couldn’t do.

Sorry, but from a purely business decision, trading for him without prior assurances he’ll resign just wouldn’t be an intelligent move for the Hawks.

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Lou is younger and he doesn’t pee his pants in an elimination game like Joe and Jamal. Can you say UPGRADE?

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Philly destroyed Boston when Lou had good games…

Buddy, so a team won more games when their leading scorer played well? Wow, I wonder how often that happens?

My guess, Joe would get at least 2.5 times as Lou if they were both UFAs in the same season. Lou’s best season is 15 points, Joe’s worse season is 19.

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Trading for D12 without an extension is not short-sighted.

For one thing, the money that the ASG would generate in jersey sales, ticket sales, concessions, etc…even for one year is well worth the risk. But more importantly, even IF he walks out next year, you are left with unlimited flexibility to build a roster from the ground up. And as for the MYTH that we wouldn’t have any picks and would take on several bad contracts. They are just that…MYTHS. You trade two 2013 1st Rd Picks (late 20’s after a yr with D12) and a 2015 1st (after a year of rebuild) but KEEP the 2014 pick. That limits your exposure on the draft and allows you to still get a potential lottery pick the year after D12 walks.

Also, there’s no need to take back multiple bad contracts. Take back one at the most and deal with that. Having Richardson or Turk isn’t going to kill the roster.

Now as far as whether D12 will resign, obviously no one knows, but we do know that if he isn’t traded to the Nets then he can’t sign with them next year because they have no room. Therefore, he’s already looking at signing with a team that isn’t on his “list”. Of those teams, obviously Atl would have the advantage because of the bird rights.

So if it’s me and my money, I make the trade and take the risk. I’m NOT losing any money by doing the deal and very well could make out like a bandit if he resigns and lures additional FAs next year.

Having unlimited flexibility in case D12 walks is the key. You would still have the ability to pursue CP3, Harden, Ibaka, or any other high profile FAs next year. Plus you’d still have the ability to trade.

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And for those of you that are afraid of or against trading for D12 without an extension, answer this: What exactly do they do to make the team better?

As it stands now, they are certainly not BETTER than they have been the last few years. And if nothing changes, Josh will certainly walk next year. So then you’d have Al and Jeff and nothing else. And if you don’t think any of the big FAs would sign have a year of D12, WTH makes you think they’d sign up with nothing but Jeff and Al??

BUT if you trade Al and Jeff for D12, then you’d at least get a year of being BETTER plus have at least a chance at extending Josh and D12 to be better long term. And even if you lose both, you start over with maximum flexibility.

The question is this: Is one year of D12 plus the potential to resign him and Josh of more value to the ASG than the remaining term of Al’s contract? I say it is.

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Lou likely provides 85% of Joe’s scoring… which is different than production. But you’re a savvy basketball fan so I know that you know the difference between production and scoring. Or you would believe that someone like Ben Wallace wasn’t particularly productive during the Pistons run a few years ago.

I’m sure if we continue to narrow the scope, Mario West may look better than Kobe. Now we’re looking at +/- for elimination games for a player who has been in 3 playoff series in his entire career? Wow, that is pretty specific. Was that on a Tuesday or Sunday? What color was the jersey? Did he have chicken or fish before the game?

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northcyde, this right here is part of the argument for Joe’s limited results:
“Lou provides 85% of Joe’s production for 25 cents on the dollar. Also, Lou Williams isn’t at the bottom of the list among active players in shooting percentage in elimination playoff games. Choke Artist Joe is. Like I said.. UPGRADE.”

AND, there is room under that cap to add help for the entire team, and not just watch Joe get us to the 2nd round.

I like moving away from Joe, his contract, and his leadership.

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“Marc Stein: Source close to process says Portland & Charlotte have indeed told Brook Lopez they’re ready to sign him today to four-year max offer sheet”
“Josh Robbins: If #Nets sign Brook Lopez today, but not as a sign-and-trade, Nets can’t trade him until Jan. 15″

Brooklyn not the only team willing to max out Lopez…..and Lopez may not be a pawn in the D12 sweeps after today.

…the Magic’s ongoing conversations with the Rockets, Lakers and Hawks gained momentum. “Everything is in play,” one league source said of Orlando’s options.

Is Danny just waiting his turn here? Our team name is mentioned but it never goes further than that.

We’re almost at the endpoint here; ORL isn’t bringing D12 back to Amway.

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“ROFL

Yeah cause Lou completely choked in the playoffs worse than Jamal… oh wait… no he didn’t actually. Philly destroyed Boston when Lou had good games and he had the best +/- on the team in the elimination game (compared to Evan Turner, who started but was -26 compared to Lou). Tell us more about Jamal’s playoff heroics.”

Maybe you missed these responses. Whats scary is you actually seem to be pretty intelligent and actually write some decent articles with flawed logic like that. Maybe you are bipolar.

“Games 5, 6, and 7 against Boston this year, Lou shot 10 of 32, 0 for 8 from 3.”

Jamal Crawford Career Playoff stats: 30.8 mpg, 38%FG, 35%3p, 82%FT, 1.3rpg, 2.5apg, 15.4 ppg
Lou Williams Career Playoff stats: 27.5 mpg, 35%FG, 17%3p, 78%FT, 2.1 rpg, 3.0 apg, 11.5 ppg

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Astro,

So disagree with the Devin for Marvin trade….LOL

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Melvin, huh? That one went over my head.

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AJ,

Josh + Dwight do not get us past the second round (imo). But if we can convince them to stay, it will be easier to convince a James Harden or another high level FA to come to the Hawks.

Northcyde,

I would start with Teague, Horford, both first round picks next year, but I would prefer to hold on to Zaza if we get Dwight, so we would have a capable backup for him.

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Astro Joe,

I don’t think one team’s willingness to take Joe is proof that his contract wasn’t an albatross. The bottom line was that Joe’s contract limited the Hawks ability to do anything and needed to be gone. I wouldn’t say that Lou is better than Joe by any means, but Lou at his contract price is far better value than Joe at his contract price. In that respect, Lou is far better for this team than Joe is.

I liked Joe but not at $18-20 mil per season or whatever the final number was. I’d rather have a lesser Lou at $5 mil or so than Joe at his number.

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Go get Daniel Orton to back up D12 if need be. We need a guy to develop in case D12 needs time off. Orton would be cheap off the bench.

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Or just let Ivan or Petro get those minutes.

A healthy Howard > Horford + Zaza

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Ive seen this show before – Serious question -are we cool with Al just developing a jump shot while his rebounding and post game stays the same.From the looks of things we will have plenty of gunners. Who gives us points in the post.

No, it’s no okay, and it’s NOT cool.

Either Al Horford develops a “real” back to the basket game, or he’ll devolve, because teams like Chicago will shut him down every time. Even teams with less defensive prowess than Chicago will manage to do it. Al has to get better in this department…period. I think he can. I’d hate to see him turn into a Drew Gooden….

Also, if he doesn’t get better, then in future hindsight, we’ll be talking about how last/this year was his highest trade value, and we’ll regret having traded him. That said, I expect him to get better…

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“Please help me understand what being younger has to do with it.”

Not losing a step like Jamal or losing three steps mid contract like Joe. Any more questions?

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““Games 5, 6, and 7 against Boston this year, Lou shot 10 of 32, 0 for 8 from 3.””

Cool now post Jamal’s numbers in Game 5 & 6 against Chicago. Let’s compare. Don’t forget the +/- !

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From hoopshype;

Adrian Wojnarowski: Brooklyn’s fully guaranteed the first 4 years, $58M of a max deal offer for Brook Lopez, sources tell Y! Sides still discussing 5th year..

Ra’mon,

I thought about you when I saw Lopez’ contract numbers lol. He might get 5 years, $70 – $80 mil.

Big Ray,

If you’re Orlando, do you really want to pay Lopez 4 years, $58 mil?

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KevinM,

My only concern is because D12 is coming off back surgery, so I would want to limit his minutes somewhat.

Northcyde,

Zaza would not be a deal breaker for me, but I would prefer to hang on to him. If Orlando insists (which they probably would), so be it.

Al, Teague, Zaza, Jenkins, and 2 first round picks for Dwight…or Al, Zaza, Jenkins, Devin Harris and 2 first round picks for Dwight and J-Rich.

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Ill be glad when this Dwight thing is done smh.

Stevenson has been in the league for what 10+ plus years now? Are we really using one playoff defensive performance as evidence that he is a good pickup? ehhh. You guys can have that. I would still take Damien over him.

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per Twitter

@AlexKennedyNBA: The Magic informed Dwight Howard that they are suspending trade talks, according to source. Orlando will now focus on their coaching search.

LOL!

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vava74 got jokes!Hahahahah

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Ryan

July 11th, 2012
3:47 pm

per Twitter

“@AlexKennedyNBA: The Magic informed Dwight Howard that they are suspending trade talks, according to source. Orlando will now focus on their coaching search.”

What the blank does that mean?

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Game over, Crooklyn.

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Melvin, I get off the bus with making comparisons between Lou and Joe. I’m all in for the Devin/Marvin trade. I’ve liked everything Ferry has done so far. I just can’t get with the “demonize Joe and his contract” stuff.

The ASG knew the cap situation when they offered Joe the max deal. The NBA didn’t change the rules on them, Joe’s contract didn’t balloon unexpectedly, the agent didn’t withhold the final contractual terms. If the ASG couldn’t work with Joe’s contract, then why did they bring it to his agent? IMO, because they were planning to sell the team and that fell through because they tried to sell it to a broke pizza man and Joe’s contract becomes an albatross. The ASG made a bad decision that left both the team and Joe forced to operate under the weight of that contract. Now Joe goes to Brooklyn where the owner has essentially lifted the weight of that contract off Joe’s shoulders.

Remidtown, I completely understand the “value for their contract” discussion. but when comparing players, it is not wise to simply compare scoring averages. A player’s value is relative to the team that employs that player. The Thunder and the perfect GM Sam Presti felt like giving Kenrdick Perkins a $12M/year contract was worth it to them because he would bring veteran experience, toughness and a championship pedigree. All of that to a young team that was trying to make a deep playoff run. if you ignore the timing of that signing, you would conclude that it is an awful contract… now that he is unable to stay on the floor against the Heat and the Thunder appear to be mainstays deep in the playoffs.

Joe’s contract is gone, that is good. Lou is here, that is good.

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Ok, tell me whats wrong with this deal, both for the Hawks and the Magic

Howard, Richardson, Duhon

Horford, JT, D. Harris (expiring purposes), 2 1st round picks

Best deal for Magic, but only do it if Howard agrees to resign.

Imagine this lineup:
L. Williams
J. Jenkins / Morrow
Richardson / Stevenson
J. Smith / I. Johnson
Howard / Zaza

A starting SG still needed, but with our big ATL 3 of Lou, Smoove, and D12, what’s not to love?

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Yawl say pairing Dwight with Josh would be the
Best Frontline in the League !

What intrigues me is:
If Josh is the ” is all / be all ” defender he`s made out to be;
[on this blog] , then why aren`t his techniques and stratagems
ever discussed in the media ?

Why; because he just uses his legs and his length.

I recently read an article about Luc Richard Mbah a Moute.
He went into great detail describing his methods
of guarding Derrick Rose, D.Wade, K.Durant, & LBJ.
He defends the better player on each opposing team
whether it be the [1] through the [4].
* (and some occasions the Center)

Josh is equipped to do as much or more than “a Moute”.
There are others besides LRMaM;
such as Battier, Tony Allen, Iguodala,
who take a cerebral approach to defense.

My point:
many folks on this blog call for Josh
to improve this or that ‘`offensively`’ to be an all-star.
I say, that were he to take a similar approach to becoming
a defender that could lock down four or five positions,
along with studying his craft;
then he would actually become the defender that myth has created.

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The Magic need to trade Howard ASAP and move on with their rebuilding. I would be surprise to see a team take on all those bad contracts that the former GM Otis Smith created/acquired.If Howard doesn’t get traded this summer, then I think he will sit out to rehab until the trade deadline. Can’t believe the Magic are willing to drag this out even further…

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Before it starts:

if someone points out a negative characteristic,
or bears criticism against:
let`s say – Josh;
then said person is a hater !

-Yet-

If all manner of ill will and name callin` is spewed forth
against, let`s say – Al;
`tis well and good.
Also, were someone to defend, let`s say – Al;
that person becomes an:
” apologist ” … !

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I think it may have been mentioned elsewhere (can’t keep up with the blog traffic the past few days), but it makes sense to trade for Howard regardless if he is willing to sign an extension immediately. His presence will reenergize Hawks fans even if it is for only a year and will make us look a lot more palatable to other players.

Next year, Hawks will be able to offer Howard $25M more than anyone else. You really have to want to play elsewhere to leave that money on the table. Worst case, we have to do a sign and trade (which we could do for Bynum – also sign and trade). If not, we have cap space to see what is out there and if none of that pans out, we move to full out rebuilding time. Fortune favors the bold.

Also, we are a still a middling team as currently constructed. We are not getting a superstar with our draft picks. Did not like it when the Hawks were a 13 win team, but like it even less knowing that we will make the playoffs, lose, and then do it again the next year. At least, rebuiklding provides some glimmer of hope especially with a competent GM.

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Melvin is getting nervous.

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Why would the Magic want Bynum? He’s not going to sign in Orlando!

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sign Yancy Gates from the Detroit summer league team

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I knew this was next

Jarrod Rudolph: Magic GM Rob Hennigan denies that he’s informed Howard that trade talks have been suspended. Twitter

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David Baumann: #Magic GM Rob Hennigan says any report that says “talks are off” regarding potential Dwight Howard trade is false. Twitter

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Brian Windhorst: Magic GM Hennigan on reports that Howard trade talks have been suspended: “That’s not accurate.” Twitter

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Thanks Buddy!

Perspective/Disclaimer

Al’s game has been dissected not his manhood, persons or Rep…

We talking baskeball people

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O’B, the problem with that line up is you can count on Lopez missing at least 20 games.

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Just because Brooklyn is out, doesn’t mean Orlando won’t find another trade partner (Rockets, Lakers or Hawks).

OB, I stand corrected on Perkins’ salary. And yes, the Nets have a tremendous team. King addressed Lopez’ rebounding weakness by adding Reggie Evans and if they sign Humphries, it will ensure that there Lopez is playing with 2 excellent rebounders during most of the game (Gerald Wallace is a top 3 rebounder at his position and we know that Humphries/Reggie have outstanding rebounding rates at any position). A 2-3 match-up with the Bulls and a health D Rose would be MUST SEE TV.

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It must have been Najeh Davenpoop who said that Dwight wouldn’t be playing for the Nets. He was right, it seems….

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http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/04/hawks-could-be-back-in-hunt-for-dwight.html

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Who freakin’ knows what’s going on there…

Grandad ,

You can forget it. Criticize Josh (not bash him, just criticize him) and you’re a hater who doesn’t want what’s best for the team. Criticize Al and you’re a person with common sense and a good grasp of the game. Of course, there are exceptions, but they aren’t as prevalent as you’d think they’d be.

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Big Ray, it was only 18 months ago, when that criticism was the complete opposite. Funny how time change things.

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“Both are hired gunners, give me the 24-25 year old, not the 30-something yr old guy. Unless there’s a big difference in money (and there isn’t) then why go back to Jamal?”

First of all that’s not the argument. Reading is fundamental. Nobody is talking about going back to Jamal. Secondly based on you logic, I guess you would take Al Horford for the next couple of years over Kevin Garnett just because Al is younger. Very great basketball mind you have sir.

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Thanks for the outdated, time-wasting, misdirection link there Buddy

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Here’s an article on this year’s version of Ivan Johnson at SL with the Hawks….

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/11/after-humbling-humiliating-few-months-caracter-hoping-to-make-it-back-to-the-nba/

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@vava74

“…Furthermore, Lou’s career regular season stats are – across the board – better than Jamal’s and the sample of playoff stats is skewed and distorted by the difference in number of games played against quality opposition, so they cannot be used as a bearing or at least without an in depth analysis…” – vava74 @1:22pm dated 7/11/2012

Dude [vava74], you are just straight up lying about Lou Williams’ regular season stats being better than Jamal Crawford’s regular season stats. Your credibility is [and should be] “shot.” There you go, once again, delving into the “journalistic world” of “misinformation” and “disinformation.”

Jamal Crawford’s career NBA regular season stats – 15.3ppg, 3.9apg, 2.6rpg, 40.8% FG%, 34.8% 3ptFG%, 85.2% FT%

Lou Williams career NBA regular season stats – 11.3ppg, 3.0apg, 2.0rpg, 42.1% FG%, 33.7% 3ptFG%, 79.8% FT%

BTW, Jamal Crawford’s career playoff stats are better than Lou Williams’ career playoff stats. When Lou Williams has a subpar playoff performance, you [Jamal Crawford-hating] bloggers say Lou Williams played against good defensive playoff teams but when Jamal Crawford has a subpar playoff performance, you same [Jamal Crawford-hating] bloggers say Jamal Crawford sucked and didn’t have the “clutch gene” – double standard like a MFer, WTF. Some of you Jamal Crawford-hating bloggers show your absolute hypocrisy when it comes to critiquing/criticizing Jamal Crawford. [smh]

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FYI, and I believe its televised, the Dominican Team will be going up against Team USA in Vegas.

NOTE: Al Horford gets to play Team USA but not in the Olympics.

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Guys, ESPN is not making the trade. Who cares what they cover? If they’ll fly to OKC, they will surely find it easier to get down to the ATL.

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Today is the day the Nets want some things to happen. If it doesn’t, then that increases the Hawks chances of making a deal.

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Jarrett Jack traded to the Warriors? Steph Curry must still have issues. Mark Jackson gets himself a strong leader and defender as he tries to change that team’s culture.

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Just going up online: Mavs on verge of signing All-Star center Chris Kaman. Deal should be finalized later Wednesday

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AlexKennedyNBA: The Magic informed Dwight Howard that they’ve suspended trade talks and will shift attention to coaching search.

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JustSayinB said Danny is going for Dwight.

Really, you think? Wow, no one else seems to have come up with that idea in the past 8 days.

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Hennigan could possibly just be sayin’ what he needs to say to hold onto some of that leverage so other teams thicken the pot.

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Down to the Hawks, Rockets and LAL.

MC, get to Danny and see what he’s offering!

realcp, looks like one of our draft favs, Hollis Thompson, signed a deal with OKC. He and Lamb were my gets for the Hawks.

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I wonder when are we going to finalize the joe johnson and Marvin trades?

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Kaman getting 1 year, 8M…..we couldn’t go there if we were interested in D12.
Dallas got that off easy on that deal.

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When are our trades going to go through..

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That Kaman deal might be one of the best contracts given out this summer. Short term commitment, and he’s going to get paid half the price of Hibbert and Lopez for pretty much the same production.

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“Thanks for the outdated, time-wasting, misdirection link there Buddy”

Actually mountain jim, that’s a link that was ahead of its time.

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” How does Lopez signing affect Hawks???”

It affects the Hawks because it takes Brooklyn out of the mix while Atlanta remains in the mix.

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“Definitely would take Al over KG.”

I know. So to me all your credibility is gone.

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“Tim Kawakami: NBA sources: Warriors were close to a sign-and-trade deal for Lou Williams, but he took slightly less to go to Atlanta”

Danny the deal-maker!

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Rod,

Protecting your pet project?

I am tired of repeating myself. I don’t hate Jamal, but I never regarded him as valuable as you do.

You like gunners whilst I “tolerate” gunners and in the gunners’ department I like the Lou signing due to age, potential progression, price, being from ATL and considering his game somewhat superior to Jamal’s (more complete).

I appreciated Jamal’s contributions and always mentioned that the problem that worried more was how he was used.

The same will happen with Lou, in particular of we do not bring a true coach. Never said that I loved Lou’s game, merely his signing taking in consideration the above.

It was a good GM move, the same way that the Shelden-Bibby trade was a good move (resigning Bibby 3 years NOT) and the same way that the Acie-Jamal trade was good and resigning Jamal at an overpriced amount (as was his expectation, i am sure) would not have been good.

That does not invalidate that, amongst other bad things, an eventual signing of Jamal last year for 5 million would have been far from being the worst move.

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Oh, by the way, writing like Yoda does not make you sound wittier.

On the hypocrisy department or at least on the incapability of arguing with factual consistently you are a master.

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@vava74

“High- Sider,

Go back a few pages and check Lou-Jamal PER MINUTE STATS in the regular season…” – vava74 @6:09pm dated 7/11/2012

As I stated previously, “real” NBA [franchise] decision-makers don’t “look at” players’ PER MINUTE stats, they [the decision-makers] “look at” players’ PER GAME and CAREER AVERAGE stats. “FANTASY” guys such as yourself MASTURBATE to PER MINUTE stats.

While I’m SMH at you [vava74], you need to stop CYH [choking your head] if you know what I mean.

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Mickael Pietrus Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-6
Gerald Green Unrestricted / Small Forward / 6-8
Devin Ebanks Restricted / Small Forward / 6-9

can we get 1 of these guys.. especially since we are going young.. i know pietrus is a little older.

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clarkekent – I co sign on Green and Pietrus.

Why not get both players and stop waiting on D12, Magic GM is not trading D12 so lets move on.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Now What?

What Ferry going to do now? If ferry wasn’t offering Al, he was never going to get D12 in a trade.. So what is the END GAME?

I don’t understand how trading away Joe would make ATL a more attractive place for D12.
How does Morrow, Williams and Stevenson, look better than Joe(6 Allstar) because that is what we replaced him with… 2 that can’t defend,1 that can’t shoot and none that will command a double team.

We have LBJ, Pierce, Wade, Granger, Iggy, Deng and Melo all in the EAST, with NO ONE TO DEFEND THEM.

There is NOTHING about this current roster that would make me want to come here if I was D12.

Ferry is building the same kind team(in ATL) that just lost in the 1st round(Magic) of the playoffs 2 straight years… WHY WOULD HE WANT TO COME BACK TO THAT? Oh yeah, because his FRIENDS are on this team…..REALLY?

This is the NBA, not the Atlanta Celtics. You have to PROVE you can WIN before he gets HERE… He has to be the final PIECE to the PUZZLE and not the only piece that MATTERS.

“No one applauds the contractor after they gut the bath, they wait until the Job is finished”

Ferry had 6 trades on the table for JJ, he could have traded him anytime he wanted(especially for scaps), so could Sund… Don’t fool yourself.

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WILL YOU NEED SOME HHHHHHHHHHELP.

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Rufus 1 – You talk like Joe is a superstar, he a ball hog player that plays self play 1-1 basketball with sometime dribbling the ball 18seconds of a 24 second shot clock.

Look this team is still good with Teague, Horford, Josh, and now Lou who finish second in six man award, give time bro and wait and see, getting rid of Joe and Marvin contract was a positive thing for Hawks nobody never thought of Danny being able to make them deals.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Anyone who thinks getting rid of Joe and Marvin’s contract was a bad thing, must be outta theyre dam. mind.

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What about Brendan Haywood For Center?

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Big Dog-You may not think JJ is a superstar, but he is a 6 time all star chosen by the coaches and he got $120 million, The Nets gave up players and picks for him, so everyone else is wrong and you’re right? This team is being busted up to operate on the cheap, I dont understand why you guys cant see it, cap space is no good for ATL, Houston, Orlando and Dallas will have it, much more desirable places than the ATL.

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Rufus1 we had to get rid of Joe Johnson and his huge contract it was keeping the Hawks from making moves they need to make getting rid of Marvin Williams a great move also .

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And they can rebound.

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jlewis – You can’t pay Joe that type of money, JUST DAM

Plus he never talk, Joe is going to place where media is in your face 24 -7 so will see how good is Joe, Media will bring your confidence level down so Quick in New York and i just can’t see Joe handling it with him being so quiet and never talking.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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SMH – I give you Bynum and D12 but not no Bogut or Tyson.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Ferry is saying the Hawks will play through their attacking guards. Sounds like LD will be held responsible for making sure the guards are leading the fast break next season. My guess is LD gets fired sometime during the 2nd quarter of gaqme 7.

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And as LD is being escorted out of the building, a bystander will hear him say under his breathe “he was just trying to make something happen”.

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Tyson age 29

PPG 8.6

REB 8.9

BLK 1.4

Bogut age 27

PPG 12.7

REB 9.3

BLK 1.6

Lopez age 24

PPG 17.5

REB 7.5

BLK 1.7

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Bid dog

Explain to how a bunch of scrubs on a 25 win team is going to replace a 6 time Allstar… If they could the Nets wouldn’t have traded them. You like the move so you only see the positive. Defense is an important part of the game and ours has gotten significantly worse on the wings.

If Joe was a “ball hog” maybe you should have changed the coach… He only makes a million… We just bought out Farmar for that much.

Free agents don’t come to Atlanta, so how are we going to get better… Especially when Ferry won’t trade Al and the Josh fanatics don’t want him traded.

In my world 13 win were far worse than Joe’s money. I would rather pray for a better coach, that Josh jumper would fall consistently or that Teague would become the player I hope he can be, rather than some “pipe dream” about signing CP3 and D12.

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Sautee – Stop putting to much salt on your food bro, JUST DAM

I take Lopez over every player on that list beside D12, Bynum, KG

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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D12 Saga = Annual Brett Favre Retirement Watch. Things in sports I have thoroughly hated.

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BIGDOG, When we’re in a crunch time situation, and one of your clutchest players misses a shot, who would you want to get the rebound? (If Lopez was on your team)

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Sautee – Just having fun bro nothing less or more, you no big dog don’t laugh because im Big Dog.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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don’t care about the scrubs thatr will be on the bench. Summer Roster….it’s not like we have Perry Jones to drool over

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Ferry says we will play through our point guards and our attacking guards more? Memo to josh smith. Give up the ball on the break.

Speaking of which, Somewhere out there, josh smith just spilled his glass of koolaid.

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“rufud1: Free agents don’t come to Atlanta, so how are we going to get better… Especially when Ferry won’t trade Al and the Josh fanatics don’t want him traded.”

“Tim Kawakami: NBA sources: Warriors were close to a sign-and-trade deal for Lou Williams, but he took slightly less to go to Atlanta”

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OBRIEN-Of course it’s possible for Dwight to change his mind about signing a contract extension with us. But you can’t expect the ASG to risk the future of this franchise, and millions of dollars, on just that seemingly romote possibility. So far, Josh, along with anyone else, has been able to convince him to hint at wanting to sign with us, or even list the Hawks as a possible destination.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0fZL2ixJYc
Big Lineup [wut u say about a true SF?]

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Give Josh Marvin’s old spot damnit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-yeEJvfiRI

Horford
Josh
Pachulia

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4 years $16M for Mahinmi.

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^the second George, being Paul George

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The Collison for Mahinmi trade only makes sense in context of the 5 year $40 million deal they gave to George Hill, which makes no sense at all. George Hill is not as good as Mike Conley who is getting paid the exact same thing.

I wonder if getting Mahinmi (and his long term deal) has any impact on the Pacers’ ability to keep David West. If West becomes available a ton of contenders are going to go after him.

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“Am I the only one who kind of likes DeShawn Stevenson?”

If this was three years ago, yeah. If this was three years ago, I would be thrilled that Devin Harris and DeShawn Stevenson were on this team. In 2012, though, they are just an expiring deal and a non-guaranteed deal.

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It also makes sense in the context that they had to match the much-too-rich offer for Hibbert. That contract cost them valuable deoth (good PG and good wing defender).

Big Ray, that frontcourt will still get close to 25 boards/game… it just means that Wallace and Humphries (or Evans) will grab around 18-20. I predict 16 & 7.

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Korver is a bad contract because we already have shooters here.

He’s a liability on the bench and starting. On a team that has Lou Williams, Jenkins, Morrow, at the shooting guards. You want Korver?

Live by the 3, die by the 3.

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Just because you are shorter than 6′3″, it doesn’t make you a PG.

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Ahhh….Psycho T for DJ Augustin now. Makes a little more sense from Indiana’s side.

Collison, Jones, and Hansboro for Augustin and Mahinmi basically.

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Mike Wells ‏@MikeWellsNBA
Gerald Green has moved to the top of the FA list for the Pacers as their wing player off the bench, according to source
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Najeh Davenpoop

July 11th, 2012
8:49 pm

“One thing is for sure. Lou Williams has NEVER been the sole focal point of a team’s defense. We’ll see how many double teams Lou has to face this year.”

Not to mention, Lou has never been a starter. Can’t compare him to Joe when he accumulates a big chunk of his numbers against opposing second units.
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That statement has a lot of truth to it, but I believe that a lot like Crawford and Harden, Lou has spent a great deal of time closing while all the opposing team’s starters were in. I didn’t really watch a lot of 76ers games though, so I’m just guessing from what I’ve seen in highlights.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254387-how-louis-williams-to-atlanta-hawks-reshapes-the-eastern-conference-landscape
Here’s a very interesting article about our acquisition of Lou Williams and the impact it will have on the Hawks and the Eastern Conference. Enjoy.

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Kris Humphries future in Brooklyn unclear. Besides Antawn Jamison, Nets considering FA’s Kenyon Martin, Craig Smith, sources tell Y! Sports.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1253497-nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-must-stop-pursuing-dwight-howard
Here’s an article that supports my position on the Hawks pursuit of DHoward, and it also explains why. Without an enforceable committment from Dwight on an extension, let him go where ever he wants to go.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1254595-dwight-howard-trade-rumors-latest-rumblings-on-a-potential-d12-deal
Here’s a link that gives some very interesting info on the Dwightmare saga.

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Hawks might have smallest team in the NBA check this out.

Teague 6′1

Josh 6′9

Horford 6′9

Zaza 6′11

Devin 6′3

Lou 6′1

Jenkins 6′4

Scott 6′8

Petro 7′0

Ivan 6′8

Morrow 6′5

Deshawn 6′5

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Danny should atleast grab Gerald Green in the Joe trade, JUST DAM

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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This is the saddest day in sports every year. The day after the baseball All Star Game, there are no games on TV in any meaningful sport and ESPN tries to capitalize by holding their atrocious awards show which I refuse to watch. All the more reason the NBA needs to start their season on MLK Day and have the Finals end in August. Less competition with the NFL and more competition with the MLB is a good thing.

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Why does everyone claim Teague goes in the Howard trade? They just resigned Nelson to play pg?

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Fundamentals,

Teague will be a RFA next year, so Magic could move him in a sign and trade (or trade him at the deadline). Also, he would be a great backup PG to Jameer if they keep him.

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PG Pablo Prigioni signed a little over the minimum for the Knicks to be their third string point guard. I remember I think it was 2008 Hawks offered a contract to him but he refused. Hickson signs with Blazers Gerald Green signs with Pacers

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has anyone seen kyrie irving tearing up team usa?
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhBO2A2tppPLx765Ou
kyrie>cp3,deron williams,rondo>westbrook,nash,tparker

i think dwight is being an idiot, he is gona be max contract has milllions of fans just play ball dude, if your the best you will get the marketing you deserve no matter if your LA or memphis. i say we pull the trigger on dwight for al and devin/1st and 1st. we can see where it goes and still have $$$ if dwight and josh leave anyhow. if we were this active this year with no money to spend IMAGINE what GM DF can do with 50+ mill next offseason. even if cp3 and/or dwight dont sign we will be fine.

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