Atlanta Hawks: Camp report

Notes gathered before nearly crashing my car while taking a call on Louis Williams deal and then trying to tweet the news on my freakin’ phone. . . .

  • Pape Sy is back, baby! That’s exciting enough on its own but Sy got me really hyped by showing up looking ripped. Seriously, dude is muscled-up. “I tried to work on my body to get stronger on the court,” he said. “Now I feel great.”
  • Larry Drew on Sy: “He’s been in that weight room. He’s gotten stronger. When he goes to the basket, you can see when he takes contact he can still get his shot off. That’s a pro move to take contact and get your shot off.”
  • As mentioned a few weeks ago, the Hawks finally have abandoned their plan to try to make Sy a point guard. It was pretty obvious after his first couple of summer games in 2010 that his NBA future is not at the point. “I feel good as a two guard,” Sy said. “I am trying to get to the hoop and I work on my shot. I feel better now. Playing the two may be more easier for me.”
  • The Hawks have a hole on their roster on the wing and Sy certainly has the size to play there. He’s always had some potential as a wing defender. Drew said Sy could play some small forward in smaller lineups.
  • “Pape has really gotten better,” Drew said. “I’ve always been intrigued by his size, his ability to get to the basket, his strength. He knows how to draw fouls when he goes to the cup. His shot has improved. Defensively he’s aggressive. I think this summer league will be really good for him to see where he measures up at this level.”
  • John Jenkins signed his rookie deal. He’ll make about $2.5 million guaranteed over the next two years with Atlanta holding options for two additional seasons.
  • So Jenkins is, like, rich. “It won’t change me at all,” he said. “My parents won’t let it happen and the people around me won’t let it happen. It’s also not who I am. I’m a very, very cheap person. I might get a nice car, not much else. I’m very blessed just to be in the NBA.”
  • There’s no big secret about the summer focus for Jenkins. “Everyone knows he’s capable of making shots, everybody knows when he’s on the floor you can’t leave him,” Drew said. “But defensively he’s got to get better and he knows that. He’s already said, ‘Coach, just tell me what you need for me to do and I’ll be studying film, I’ll be studying tape, I want to get better in that area.’ He’s a great kid. I’m happy that he’s part of our organization.”
  • Jenkins is wearing No. 12. He initially asked for No. 21 but, well, you know. Jenkins then asked for No. 23, his college number, but Lou Hudson already wore it very well for the Hawks.
  • Mike Scott already knows you want him to be a small forward: “I’ve been asked that question so many times. I see myself as a four. I’m comfortable as a four but doing three stuff. If I have a mismatch, a bigger guy on me I’m going around or a smaller guy on me I’m posting up. In order for me to transition to three I have to be able to guard a three. That’s something I’m still working on.”
  • At Virginia, Scott developed an effective face-up game. Good idea since it’s a big reason he will get a shot in the league. “I always had a pretty good touch,” he said. “Once I realized I wasn’t going to be able to dunk on everybody, I started working on other aspects of my game. Watching a lot of Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett—big guys that can shoot from that pick-and-pop range.”
  • Scott has pretty good length but isn’t very physically imposing. Drew: “Undersized, but I do think he has the strength to play that [four] position. He’s a phenomenal pick-and-pop shooter so he’s going to have to play to his strengths and get better at his weaknesses. A big part of playing that four is understanding what you can get away with defensively and what you can’t. But I do think he has the strength to hold his own down there.”
  • Drew added that Scott “is not an Ivan Johnson as far as strength is concerned” but who is among us lesser beings?
  • Keith “Kito” Benson is back, too. Word is he looked much the same during today’s scrimmage–timid and getting knocked around–but Benson says he’s gotten stronger and plans to have an “aggressive mindset” this time around.
  • Benson: “I think I have a lot better chance this year because of summer league and spending more time with the coaches. I think I have a good chance to show what I can do and show my skills for a longer period of time. Last year it was about five days.”
  • Lester Conner will coach the summer league entry.
  • Danny Ferry came out for a moment while reporters were inside the practice facility but didn’t address us media types.

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509 comments Add your comment

BIG DOG

July 11th, 2012
1:15 pm

If D12 come here, Atlanta will show there true colors for supporting Basketball team with great potential.

This is and NBA city.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Rod from College Park

July 11th, 2012
1:16 pm

“The sample is not big enough to compare:

If a player (JAMAL) faces 10 times an average/good defensive team like ORL (with 4 games being blowouts in which ORL was not even bothering to exert any effort to defend after 1 quarter) and 7 times an average defensive team like MIL – so, 17 out of 23 games of playoff experience – and once faces on the remaining 6 games a very good defensive team (CHI), he is bound to have better numbers than a player whose playoff experience was 100% against top defensive teams: CHI and MIA.”

Huh? What?

O'Brien

July 11th, 2012
1:16 pm

Slimjr,

I don’t think anyone has said Al is a lock-down defender, or has tremendous post moves, or is good enough to lead a team to a championship. So why do you keep harping on it?

All that has been said about Al is:
1) he is a hard worker
2)has the potential to be a solid center if he finds his inner dog
3) is better at center than PF.
4) Josh is a better PF than Al at PF.

Let it go dude.

jay

July 11th, 2012
1:20 pm

Are you guys seriously going to go page after page comparing Lou and Jamal? I mean they are both mediocre NBA players. They have strenghts and weaknesses, but in the right rolls they both can flourish. In the wrong rolls they both can look terrible. Neither can play defense, both can score. It’s really that simple.It’d be nice if you guys would let it go.

terrell

July 11th, 2012
1:20 pm

LD has to go, or he’ll just ruin Louis Williams, just like he ruined Jamal, trying to play him at pg. smh

vava74

July 11th, 2012
1:22 pm

Just Joe,

No one here is putting faith in Lou Williams being a “saviour”.

He will struggle against top rate defenses, like anyone else but the superduper stars (look at Paul Pierce and James Harden’s stats against MIA, for instance).

The issue is:

He is young (25) so there is margin for progression, pretty cheap (5million) so we do not compromise cap space with a “gunner” and he is from ATL.

Furthermore, Lou’s career regular season stats are – across the board – better than Jamal’s and the sample of playoff stats is skewed and distorted by the difference in number of games played against quality opposition, so they cannot be used as a bearing or at least without an in depth analysis.

Heck, if we take into consideration JJ’s stats against BOS in 2008, MIA and CLE in 2009 (injured against CLE), MIL in 2010 and ORL in 2011 we would be satisfied with him.

The issue is against the stronger opponents.

vava74

July 11th, 2012
1:24 pm

Rod from College Park
July 11th, 2012
1:16 pm

“Huh? What?”

Yep, great counter arguments :-D

northcyde

July 11th, 2012
1:25 pm

Ken . . you have to let your personal bias toward the guy, and look at the benefits the guy brings to the Hawks.

- a legit #1 star center

- much more revenue to the team

- a chance to form the best defensive frontline in the league ( if paired with Smith )

With the Hawks being able to retain one of it’s star players, this deal is a no-brainer. Like others have said, getting Johnson and Marvin off the books should be for the sole purpose of bringing in a superstar. Dwight is a superstar. And the Hawks are fooling themselves if they think a superstar will “willingly” sign with a mediocre Hawks team just because we have the cap room.

If we miss this opportunity to get Dwight, we may NEVER get a superstar player here.

Like you, I’m a HAWKS fan first and foremost. And regardless of who is on this team, I’ll be a fan AND support them whenever I can. But this is literally a franchise changing opportunity right here. You don’t pass up that opportunity for the sake of “cap flexibility”.

The reasons to do this deal far outweigh the reasons not to do this deal. Ferry should call Orlando, ask them what they want, negotiate his azz off, and pull the trigger before he goes to the Lakers.

- Horford
- Teague
- 2 First Round picks

Negotiations should start right there.

If they want us to take one of the longer contracts off of their hands, fine. Give them Devin Harris and we’ll take back either Hedo or Richardson. We need a SF anyway.

Harpie

July 11th, 2012
1:25 pm

The Hawks have no chance of being anything but disappointing as long as they have Larry Drew, the Worst Coach in Basketball, at the helm. This guy spends every ounce of his energy trying to ACT like an NBA coach – but, he hasn’t a clue about how to coach effectively.

BIG DOG

July 11th, 2012
1:26 pm

Lou William is better than Jamal Crawford.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

July 11th, 2012
1:29 pm

Out of respect for my elders I’m going to bite my tongue.You’ve been here longer so I’ll give you that..

Let me let u in on a little secret.. I don’t want to be stuck the next 44 years with a failing basketball franchise…

You original Hawk fans have put up with enough..BTW this Franchise has been stuck on stupid for almost 50 years!

I think Danny will do the right thing! O’brien has all ready laid it out..If you dont agree that’s your prerogative..

But to attack others intellect and call out names is not the best way to advance your ideas Sir..

Thank you..

BIG DOG

July 11th, 2012
1:30 pm

Lou is PG not SG, he would get destroyed at SG on defense he is only 6′1 175pounds.

Teague or Devin will be traded with in the next week.

3 top notch point guard on the same team, somebody will be traded soon.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

vava74

July 11th, 2012
1:30 pm

Rod,

I know that you are not dumb, merely stubborn to the point of not acknowledging a proven point that goes against one of your “pet subjects”.

So, let’s let it go, OK?

We are both Hawks’ fans.

I don’t particularly like “gunners”.

You do.

Nonetheless, I understand their usefulness (within a scheme), and always said that I would not mind having Jamal on my roster if I were a coach, provided that he was not overpaid, since I know how a gunner can be effective (less minutes, short spurts, tight leash, …).

5 million IS NOT overpriced for a gunner.

Its exactly what I said 1 year ago I would consider fair to be paid to Jamal for this specific role.

Given the above, I like Lou’s signing since he:

Is only 25 and still has margin for progression;

Is from the ATL which is concept that I like (having players from the area);

In my opinion is a more balanced player than Jamal and his regular season stats (even advanced stats on D) seem to corroborate that clearly to me.

Slimjr

July 11th, 2012
1:32 pm

Pull the Trigger yesterday!

I Co-sign Northcyde! Good stuff…

BIG DOG

July 11th, 2012
1:35 pm

MC – Will LD be fired with in the next 2 weeks ?

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

July 11th, 2012
1:35 pm

This is a legacy changing move..It will never be the same around these parts!

JUST DO IT!

Just Joe

July 11th, 2012
1:36 pm

I like Lou & Jamal.

I do not like how LD used Jamal.

I probably will not like how LD uses Lou.

I have no faith in LD managing the guard minutes between Teague, Harris, Williams, Morrow, Jenkins & Stevenson. It’s almost too many options.

Lou, at 25 yr old, on a 4yr deal starting at $5M, is solid value.

vava74

July 11th, 2012
1:38 pm

Slimjr:

“Let me let u in on a little secret.. I don’t want to be stuck the next 44 years with a failing basketball franchise…”

WHAT? What are you talking about?

You are Knicks’ fan, so you have only been waiting for a new championship since ‘73, which makes it only 39 years.

Your math is crooked bad. :-D

Ken Strickland

July 11th, 2012
1:50 pm

OBRIEN-You’re correct, Phillips would be packed to the hilt, but only for the 1yr he’d be here, and no NBA franchise can operate on just 1yrs revenue. After Dwight leaves, with Josh likely following close behind, how many future sellouts would you predict without Horford, Teague, and possibly Zaza, and no 1st rd picks to replace anyone?

Ferry and the ASG can’t afford to be as short sighted as some of our fans seem to be, when it comes to the pursuit of Dwight. Considering we actually have a very talented roster, and with Ferry as our GM, desperation and/or stupid aren’t factors in our pursuit of Dwight.

There’s no way Ferry will risk this franchise’s future, or make his job over the next 6yrs far more difficult, by trading for Dwight without an agreement to an extension. It’s not just the potential of Dwight walking after the season. Not only would we’d lose all of our talent, we’d be stuck once again with awful contract of the over the hill players we’d have to take back to make the trade.

I MUS WRITE

July 11th, 2012
1:51 pm

The national media and david stern dont want dwight in ATL just like they didnt want CP3 in LA….. I hope a deal is reached soon all this howard talk is giving me a headache.

Arguing for agrguing sake…SMH Lou williams is the same player as JC1 hes jus 4.5 million dollarz cheaper …I’LL TAKE IT

LD should be fired for his choice of suits alone….. Give this man a clothing allowance. JC Pennys is the only retailer that carries Arrow Suits…. disgusting

After all this chatter if DH12 goes back to orlando he will be the new Lebron as far as public opinion goes. Not 1 Not 2 Not 3 Not 4 Not 5 ……… DH12 AKA the Waffle King.. If i was Stan vandundy i would have socked the S_yt outta him during that press conference. You caused me to get fired and now you are smiling and making jokes ……Chris Childs 2 peice on kobe…anybody remember that Lol Funny as he__

Kobe is so full of his self..he actually thinks he could handle a 29 yr old jordan atage 33/34…Wkae up homie MJ was dropping 20 as a 41 yr old…Boi Stop

KevinM

July 11th, 2012
1:52 pm

“BIG DOG

July 11th, 2012
1:35 pm
MC – Will LD be fired with in the next 2 weeks ?”

BD, that is part of my offseason wish list….so far, I’m down to 2 more items:

1) Move one more captain, Al or Josh….doesn’t matter
2) Relocate LD, even if he’s an assistant to the top chef at Red. Just move him out of the decision making process before the games start.

Still lots of summer left to get this done.

KevinM

July 11th, 2012
1:55 pm

The argument Lou vs JC1 is just wrong………

It should be Lou vs. Joe….that’s the production we’re having to replace.

JC1 didn’t do squat for us last year.

At the price we got Lou…..he is at least 60% the player Joe is…..and his salary doesn’t reflect it.
That’s how overpaid Joe is, and he would be overpaid at 12M/year.

LT

July 11th, 2012
1:55 pm

“Are you guys seriously going to go page after page comparing Lou and Jamal? I mean they are both mediocre NBA players. They have strenghts and weaknesses, but in the right rolls they both can flourish. In the wrong rolls they both can look terrible. Neither can play defense, both can score. It’s really that simple.It’d be nice if you guys would let it go.”

northcyde

July 11th, 2012
2:01 pm

Just Joe

July 11th, 2012
1:36 pm

I like Lou & Jamal.

I do not like how LD used Jamal.

I probably will not like how LD uses Lou.

I have no faith in LD managing the guard minutes between Teague, Harris, Williams, Morrow, Jenkins & Stevenson. It’s almost too many options.

Lou, at 25 yr old, on a 4yr deal starting at $5M, is solid value.

**************************

And this is the real issue: How will Lou be used?

If he’s seen as the hired gun off the bench, Drew better have sense enough to take him out of the game when he’s ice cold ( shooting below 38% FG ). And with Lou, this happens a little over 40% of the time. So a coach MUST manage his minutes and play him ONLY when he has it somewhat going.

The problem with Drew, is that he has a tendency to play his best offensive players in order to get back into a game, instead of opting to go with a defensive squad to get stops and score in transition. So if we keep Teague, I can see instances in which Drew opts to keep Lou in the game because he feels that they need scoring, but sacrifice defense in the process.

I will agree that Williams may be a safety valve in case the market gets extremely overpriced for Teague next summer.

Mike

July 11th, 2012
2:07 pm

Thoughtout this D12 issues, you dont hear Hawks comes out of anybody mouth except for a few but its Nets, Lakers and Rockets. Oh well, atleast this issues will be done soon.

Astro Joe

July 11th, 2012
2:09 pm

Dwight would clearly bring excitement. I’m just not sure that he (and Josh) get us beyond the 2nd round. But it would be a must-see novelty for at least 2-3 seasons for Atlantans who crave an event to be seen. And the Hawks would give them 41+ events per season.

northcyde

July 11th, 2012
2:09 pm

KevinM

July 11th, 2012
1:55 pm

The argument Lou vs JC1 is just wrong………

It should be Lou vs. Joe….that’s the production we’re having to replace.

JC1 didn’t do squat for us last year.

At the price we got Lou…..he is at least 60% the player Joe is…..and his salary doesn’t reflect it.
That’s how overpaid Joe is, and he would be overpaid at 12M/year.

***************************

You can keep dissing Joe all you want. Joe’s problem was that he didn’t play like a superstar he was being paid to play like. But the guy legitimately played 2 positions for the Hawks and was our best perimeter defender.

One thing is for sure. Lou Williams has NEVER been the sole focal point of a team’s defense. We’ll see how many double teams Lou has to face this year.

This is a decent signing, just not the home run that people think it is. The dude shot 41% FG, so there are major flaws to his game. With the major flaw being shot selection and his hot and cold nature.

Sounds like another former Hawks player.

Ken Strickland

July 11th, 2012
2:14 pm

NORTHCYDE-I don’t have anything against DHoward, other than his immaturity, or him becoming an Atlanta Hawk. I do, however, have issues with us mortgaging our future on the hope he’ll do a 180 degree reversal on his current decision not to resign with the Hawks, or any other team other than the Nets.

It’s easy for fans to rationalize the deal since none of us is risking a dime, let alone millions, on the decision. If any of you, who are willing to throw caution to the wind and make the deal for Howard, were risking your own money, I’m certain you’d want more assurances that he resign after 1yr, other than having 3 of his friends on the roster, or Atlanta being his hometown, or Ferry and Josh being able to convince him to do what the Magic couldn’t do.

Sorry, but from a purely business decision, trading for him without prior assurances he’ll resign just wouldn’t be an intelligent move for the Hawks.

Buddy Grizzard

July 11th, 2012
2:17 pm

“Jamal is a better playoff performer”

ROFL

Yeah cause Lou completely choked in the playoffs worse than Jamal… oh wait… no he didn’t actually. Philly destroyed Boston when Lou had good games and he had the best +/- on the team in the elimination game (compared to Evan Turner, who started but was -26 compared to Lou). Tell us more about Jamal’s playoff heroics.

Buddy Grizzard

July 11th, 2012
2:18 pm

Lou is younger and he doesn’t pee his pants in an elimination game like Joe and Jamal. Can you say UPGRADE?

Marc

July 11th, 2012
2:28 pm

i hope Pape Sy makes the team.

Astro Joe

July 11th, 2012
2:28 pm

Philly destroyed Boston when Lou had good games…

Buddy, so a team won more games when their leading scorer played well? Wow, I wonder how often that happens?

My guess, Joe would get at least 2.5 times as Lou if they were both UFAs in the same season. Lou’s best season is 15 points, Joe’s worse season is 19.

Buddy Grizzard

July 11th, 2012
2:33 pm

Astro congrats on getting to the heart of the matter. Lou provides 85% of Joe’s production for 25 cents on the dollar. Also, Lou Williams isn’t at the bottom of the list among active players in shooting percentage in elimination playoff games. Choke Artist Joe is. Like I said.. UPGRADE.

Remidtown

July 11th, 2012
2:38 pm

Trading for D12 without an extension is not short-sighted.

For one thing, the money that the ASG would generate in jersey sales, ticket sales, concessions, etc…even for one year is well worth the risk. But more importantly, even IF he walks out next year, you are left with unlimited flexibility to build a roster from the ground up. And as for the MYTH that we wouldn’t have any picks and would take on several bad contracts. They are just that…MYTHS. You trade two 2013 1st Rd Picks (late 20’s after a yr with D12) and a 2015 1st (after a year of rebuild) but KEEP the 2014 pick. That limits your exposure on the draft and allows you to still get a potential lottery pick the year after D12 walks.

Also, there’s no need to take back multiple bad contracts. Take back one at the most and deal with that. Having Richardson or Turk isn’t going to kill the roster.

Now as far as whether D12 will resign, obviously no one knows, but we do know that if he isn’t traded to the Nets then he can’t sign with them next year because they have no room. Therefore, he’s already looking at signing with a team that isn’t on his “list”. Of those teams, obviously Atl would have the advantage because of the bird rights.

So if it’s me and my money, I make the trade and take the risk. I’m NOT losing any money by doing the deal and very well could make out like a bandit if he resigns and lures additional FAs next year.

Having unlimited flexibility in case D12 walks is the key. You would still have the ability to pursue CP3, Harden, Ibaka, or any other high profile FAs next year. Plus you’d still have the ability to trade.

Ray

July 11th, 2012
2:48 pm

Danny Ferry I can tell is more worried about the players before checking out the coaching staff.

This year L.D and his motion offense crap are on a short short leash so don’t be surprised to wake up one day and BOOM! Fired.

As for the pickups we’ve made that are official they are all great so far.
I’d take Lou Williams if you can use him correctly plus he’s younger with more energy in the tank then an aging Jamal Crawford coming off his worst year ever.

Also people knocking Stevenson well he was on the Championship Mavs team from last year and played a pretty large role in giving them a ring last finals just saying.

I hope the hawks aren’t after Dwight Howard any longer he’s a drama queen I know Josh and him are childhood friends, but damn come on now.

You want to give up Horford for Dwight who won’t be here for more than a year and not only that giving up on Jeff Teague who’s only in his 2nd full year at PG you know.

Remidtown

July 11th, 2012
2:49 pm

And for those of you that are afraid of or against trading for D12 without an extension, answer this: What exactly do they do to make the team better?

As it stands now, they are certainly not BETTER than they have been the last few years. And if nothing changes, Josh will certainly walk next year. So then you’d have Al and Jeff and nothing else. And if you don’t think any of the big FAs would sign have a year of D12, WTH makes you think they’d sign up with nothing but Jeff and Al??

BUT if you trade Al and Jeff for D12, then you’d at least get a year of being BETTER plus have at least a chance at extending Josh and D12 to be better long term. And even if you lose both, you start over with maximum flexibility.

The question is this: Is one year of D12 plus the potential to resign him and Josh of more value to the ASG than the remaining term of Al’s contract? I say it is.

Remidtown

July 11th, 2012
2:52 pm

And FYI….I’m talking about being better on the court not in terms of contracts. Obviously they are substantially better off from a contract standpoint. They were the second Brooklyn agreed to take Joe and Utah said ok to Marvin.

Astro Joe

July 11th, 2012
2:53 pm

Lou likely provides 85% of Joe’s scoring… which is different than production. But you’re a savvy basketball fan so I know that you know the difference between production and scoring. Or you would believe that someone like Ben Wallace wasn’t particularly productive during the Pistons run a few years ago.

I’m sure if we continue to narrow the scope, Mario West may look better than Kobe. Now we’re looking at +/- for elimination games for a player who has been in 3 playoff series in his entire career? Wow, that is pretty specific. Was that on a Tuesday or Sunday? What color was the jersey? Did he have chicken or fish before the game?

Ray

July 11th, 2012
2:53 pm

@ Buddy G

That’s exactly why I’d take Lou because at what were paying him he could…well first off he’d provide more than Marvin ever could and then during his very good games provides more than Joe does all at a lesser cost.

I’m actually quite happy with the pickup. Again this is the first time in a long time we’re actually active I’ve heard our name far more in this FA period and year in general then I have in a long time.

It’s actually good for a change to be a hawks fans.

KevinM

July 11th, 2012
2:53 pm

northcyde, this right here is part of the argument for Joe’s limited results:
“Lou provides 85% of Joe’s production for 25 cents on the dollar. Also, Lou Williams isn’t at the bottom of the list among active players in shooting percentage in elimination playoff games. Choke Artist Joe is. Like I said.. UPGRADE.”

AND, there is room under that cap to add help for the entire team, and not just watch Joe get us to the 2nd round.

I like moving away from Joe, his contract, and his leadership.

Chris Eagle

July 11th, 2012
2:58 pm

“•Jenkins is wearing No. 12. He initially asked for No. 21 but, well, you know. Jenkins then asked for No. 23, his college number, but Lou Hudson already wore it very well for the Hawks.”

Soooo…. Jenkins never heard of Dominique? Former SEC player at that…..

KevinM

July 11th, 2012
3:01 pm

“Marc Stein: Source close to process says Portland & Charlotte have indeed told Brook Lopez they’re ready to sign him today to four-year max offer sheet”
“Josh Robbins: If #Nets sign Brook Lopez today, but not as a sign-and-trade, Nets can’t trade him until Jan. 15″

Brooklyn not the only team willing to max out Lopez…..and Lopez may not be a pawn in the D12 sweeps after today.

…the Magic’s ongoing conversations with the Rockets, Lakers and Hawks gained momentum. “Everything is in play,” one league source said of Orlando’s options.

Is Danny just waiting his turn here? Our team name is mentioned but it never goes further than that.

We’re almost at the endpoint here; ORL isn’t bringing D12 back to Amway.

Chris Eagle

July 11th, 2012
3:01 pm

There is a real logjam at PG/SG… Add in Pape Sy, and it gets really crowded. One or two guys are definitely gone. Or maybe Ferry will make them battle for slots. That would be fun.

Rod from College Park

July 11th, 2012
3:04 pm

“ROFL

Yeah cause Lou completely choked in the playoffs worse than Jamal… oh wait… no he didn’t actually. Philly destroyed Boston when Lou had good games and he had the best +/- on the team in the elimination game (compared to Evan Turner, who started but was -26 compared to Lou). Tell us more about Jamal’s playoff heroics.”

Maybe you missed these responses. Whats scary is you actually seem to be pretty intelligent and actually write some decent articles with flawed logic like that. Maybe you are bipolar.

“Games 5, 6, and 7 against Boston this year, Lou shot 10 of 32, 0 for 8 from 3.”

Jamal Crawford Career Playoff stats: 30.8 mpg, 38%FG, 35%3p, 82%FT, 1.3rpg, 2.5apg, 15.4 ppg
Lou Williams Career Playoff stats: 27.5 mpg, 35%FG, 17%3p, 78%FT, 2.1 rpg, 3.0 apg, 11.5 ppg

Astro Joe

July 11th, 2012
3:05 pm

I’m good with moving Joe’s contract off the team. I;m glad we have Lou Williams. But that’s where I get off the bus. My guess, Deron Willimas doesn’t turn down Mark Cuban if Lou Williams is added to the Nets. Familiarity breeds contempt. And Joe’s contract obviously is NOT an albatross around the Nets franchise. They are clearly showing (again) that the issue wasn’t Joe’s contract, it was a lack of ASG funds and front office creativity. Billy King isn’t sitting there thinking “I can’t build a winner with htis horrific contract on the books”. Dude is going to add his second max contract to the Nets within 5 days… one way or another.

Melvin

July 11th, 2012
3:08 pm

Astro,

So disagree with the Devin for Marvin trade….LOL

Rod from College Park

July 11th, 2012
3:10 pm

“Lou is younger and he doesn’t pee his pants in an elimination game like Joe and Jamal. Can you say UPGRADE?”

Please help me understand what being younger has to do with it. Lou Williams has been in the league for 7 years. What do you think, because he is younger he is going to turn into Steve Nash in the next couple of years. He has already made is mark in the league as what he is. In case you have not been paying attention guys like Kevin Garnett, and Steve Nash are still commanding a lot more money that much younger players. LOL

Astro Joe

July 11th, 2012
3:12 pm

Melvin, huh? That one went over my head.

O'Brien

July 11th, 2012
3:12 pm

Ken S,

If he says he won’t sign an extension for any team other than the nets, wouldn’t you think that’s an indication that the extra Bird right yr isn’t a concern for him?.

Isn’t it possible that Dwight may change his mind in a year? After all, at the trade deadline, he picked up his option to stay in Orlando one more year, but 4 months later, he is saying he wants to be traded.

After Dwight leaves, with Josh likely following close behind, how many future sellouts would you predict without Horford, Teague, and possibly Zaza, and no 1st rd picks to replace anyone?.

If Dwight leaves, the Nets will NOT have the cap space to sign him, so they will have to work out a sign and trade with us. Therefore, we will get those first round picks from the Nets.

And by making the move to get Dwight (even if its only for a year), we are sending a message to Josh Smith and other high level free agents that we want to compete for a championship NOW. When the Nets traded for Deron, there was no guarantee that he would resign with them. When they traded for JJ, there was no guarantee that Deron would resign with him. Sometimes, you have to take a chance. And I think this is one of those times.

Otherwise, we’re looking at Josh, Al and Teague as the nucleus for one year, and probably make the playoffs as a 5-8 seed, which probably means first round elimination. If that happens, aren’t we losing Josh anyway? So then we would have to build around Al, Teague, and 2 lottery picks, while hoping that one or 2 high level free agents sign with us…only to end up being a second round team again. Isn’t that what we’ve been 3 out of the last 4 years?

O'Brien

July 11th, 2012
3:14 pm

AJ,

Josh + Dwight do not get us past the second round (imo). But if we can convince them to stay, it will be easier to convince a James Harden or another high level FA to come to the Hawks.

Northcyde,

I would start with Teague, Horford, both first round picks next year, but I would prefer to hold on to Zaza if we get Dwight, so we would have a capable backup for him.