Atlanta Hawks: Summer roster set
The Hawks today released the roster for the three-day minicamp this week and their entry in the Las Vegas Summer League starting Friday.
The roster includes 2012 draft picks John Jenkins (No. 23 overall) and Mike Scott (No. 43) in addition to 2010 second-round pick Pape Sy and 2011 second-round pick Keith Benson.
Sy, Benson, Derrick Caracter and Jerry Smith are the players on the roster with NBA experience. The Hawks are also expected to add Jordan Williams to the roster after he officially joins the team as part of the Joe Johnson trade with the Nets.
The Hawks open summer league play July 12 at the Cox Pavilion vs. Washington. Their other scheduled games are July 15 (vs. San Antonio), July 16 (Boston), July 18 (Dallas) and July 19 (Portland).
Hawks Summer Roster
| Player name | Position | Height | Weight | DOB | Prior to Hawks |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Keith Benson | C/F | 6-11 | 230 | 08/13/88 | NBDL/GSW/Oakland U. |
| Brian Butch | C | 6-11 | 240 | 12/22/84 | NBDL/Wisconsin |
| Derrick Caracter | F/C | 6-9 | 275 | 05/04/88 | NBDL/Lakers/UTEP | Paul Carter | F | 6-8 | 203 | 06/02/87 | NBDL/Illinois-Chicago |
| Frank Hassell | F | 6-9 | 255 | 10/09/88 | NBDL/ODU |
| Jeremy Hazell | F | 6-9 | 255 | 03/25/86 | NBDL/Seton Hall |
| Delroy James | F | 6-8 | 225 | 05/04/87 | NBDL/Rhode Island |
| John Jenkins | G | 6-4 | 215 | 03/06/91 | Vanderbilt |
| Elija Millsap | G | 6-6 | 215 | 08/12/87 | NBDL/UAB |
| Mike Scott | F | 6-8 | 237 | 07/16/88 | Virginia |
| John Shurna | F | 6-9 | 215 | 04/30/90 | Northwestern |
| Jerry Smith | G | 6-2 | 190 | 09/26/87 | NBDL/Nets/Louisville |
| Pape Sy | G/F | 6-7 | 210 | 04/05/88 | Gravelines/Hawks/NBDL |
| Jordan Taylor | G | 6-1 | 195 | 09/30/89 | Wisconsin | Brad Wanamaker | G | 6-4 | 210 | 07/05/89 | NBDL/Pittsburgh |
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Mark
July 10th, 2012
8:37 am
Well I’m just going to let it play it’s self out, however two months ago I never thought we be in this position. They have so many ways to play this, I’m happy to be in the position we are in as an organization.
Ken Strickland
July 10th, 2012
8:41 am
NEJAH DAVENPOOP-You’ve really been pushing this get Dwight at all cost of blow the team up agenda. If fans won’t pay to see a team that’s capable of making the playoffs, featuring a 2 time Allstar and All NBA OC/PF(Horford), an All Star caliber PF(JSmith), a young, quick, fast, athletic, up and coming PG(Teague), and one of the NBAs most productive backup centers(ZPachulia) and PFs(IJohnson), what makes you think fans will spend money to see a bunch of draft picks lose?
The Nets are in he process of blowing up their roster to get what they want, and it still won’t make them into a championship caliber team. All they will have is a starting 4 of DHoward, GWallace, JJohnson, and DWilliams. They’ve already traded 5 of their bench players to us for JJ, and they’ll have to trade MBrooks, KHumphries, SWilliams, and at least 1 other player, to get Howard.
They’ll be filling out the bulk of their roster with minimum contract vets just like we had to do. No team that I know of has ever won an NBA title with a starting 5, no matter how good they are, and no bench to speak of. The NBA season is a marathon, not a sprint, and their extremely talented starting 4 won’t be able to carry them for an entire regular season.
Buddy Grizzard
July 10th, 2012
8:46 am
“I guess some who decried the likes of jj and marvin who now see what it looks like without them are going to have sellers remorse.”
I miss Joe choking in the playoffs and Marvin falling down already. Thank you NBA Ticket!
Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
8:56 am
doc, thats a better analogy comparing these Knicks to the Dallas Finals team…
Maybe a stretch to compare All’s game to Chandlers game? One is Offensive minded[Allstar Al], the other one is Defensive minded and focused on grabbing boards. Chandler is more gifted at closing in on an aggressive player attacking the paint and either blocking the shot or changing it[intimidation]..
But yes they are both true professionals. Agree.
Ask yourself this question, swap Chandler for All on that Championship Dallas team. Does Dallas still get it done? Hmmmm
Labron did not want any part of the paint with Chandler roaming it in the Finals two years ago..
vava74
July 10th, 2012
9:13 am
Slimjr,
It’s a reasonable comparison between the champions DAL with your beloved Knicks, however…
… what the Knicks do not have is an HC capable of taking them far.
There is simply NO COMPARISON possible between Woody and Carlisle. NONE whatsoever.
Will they win a substantial number of games? Sure, but EC semis is as far as they will get.
doc
July 10th, 2012
9:25 am
slimj, i wasnt implying that al was the same type of physical player as chandler knowing their skill set is different. chandler is more a defensive specialist who scores well when the ball is delivered where he neds it. al has a more balanced game though not one area of greatness, still a very worthy player. my particular take is they are both team oriented players without drama and come to play every day and takes responsibility for what he does on the court at all times. that is as far as the comparison is going and teams need those types of players and leaders.
it is absurd to even go there on asking if al could have made the difference as chandler did in dallas that year as i doubt it and not part of my argument nor does it defile al to say so. i also maybe think no one including bynum or any center short of d12 if he took the correct role could have done as well as chandler for the mavs as chandler did that year. that was a major point i was making.
cuban made a huge mistake and may have sent the heart of his team packing for the shot at getting someone else. i mean, jessica alba looks nice but i aint got no chance of getting my hands on her, therefore, i better appreciate what i have and not make a premature trade at getting a long shot for what i have is already a winner.
buddy g, you may change your tune if we go on a few six game losing streaks this year. heh heh there may be the same contingent yelling for change all of a sudden crying out in pain and bit dogs at what change has to include. perseverance will be tested this year.
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
9:26 am
THE TRUTH ,
Sorry, but I didn’t say two different things. I copied the first quote and said it was a valid point, then I levied my opinion with the second post, which WAS my original thought. Here’ who said the first thing, originally….
Najeh Davenpoop
July 9th, 2012
6:43 pm
From 2 blogs ago
“If we are out of the Howard sweepstakes, Danny has to trade Josh immediately.”
I agree. The whole point of salary dumping Joe and Marvin is to get a superstar who will take this team farther than Joe took them. Holding serve with Teague/Josh/Al doesn’t get you any closer to doing that. If they can’t bring Dwight here, they need to start going after lottery picks. Trade Josh for someone’s unprotected first rounder and tank for a year.
BTW, my point was that Orlando doesn’t seem so fired up about stock-piling picks…they seem to want some valid pieces as well. Well, if they want both picks and valid pieces, trading with Brooklyn doesn’t do that nearly as much as trading with Atlanta…that was my only point. I think it’s also why they haven’t made a trade with Houston, who is offering a buzillion picks…
Ray
July 10th, 2012
9:32 am
Wow man people really upset all of a sudden we got rid of Joe and Marvin are y’all serious?
Sometimes you got to take a step back when you’re moving foward or you could be like Portland and us remain mediocre your entire lives.
I’m not hitting the panic button I wanted Joe and Marvin gone and Danny Ferry came in and did that within a 48 hour period.
Like I said he’s waiting for the right time he’s done way too many deals already.
As it stands we’re a lock at the PG spot with Teague/Harris/Pargo
We’re shaky at SG and SF that’s about it.
As it stands Teague, ???, Josh Smith, Al Horford, Zaza is a nice lineup depending on who we get at SG.
At back ups is where we will have problems I know, but the season hasn’t started yet so I’m going to wait and see what Ferry got in store for us.
Astro Joe
July 10th, 2012
9:40 am
doc, Cuban gambled and lost (evidently). I kind of liked the idea of not assuming an automatic repeat and looking forward. I think Chandler was more a victim of timing (his contract was up) as opposed to Cuban not appreciating his contributions to the team. I’m sure if they felt they could rid themselves of Haywood, they would have gone that route. Chandler’s trade provided them an exemption that was used on Odom… but all of it was with a focus on cap space this summer (when Dwight was supposed to be a UFA along with Deron). I think Cuban was thinking that he would essentially trade Jason Kidd, Jason Terry and Chandler for Dwight & Deron (albeit with a 1 year gap).
Yeah, even I miss the battles with niremetal (who owes me a beer for a bet we made about the chronically injured Oden). MannyT participated in our Fantasy league this past season, so I know he is lurking out there somewhere with a witty line or 8.
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
9:40 am
Comparing Dallas to NY all because of one player (Chandler)? Nah, man.
As Doc said, Dallas is coached by a superior, top tier guy in Rick Carlisle. We already know what Woody is capable of (not the same level…by a long stretch). Also consider that Chandler was a defensive anchor for a team that already knew something about defense.
In New York, Chandler is just about the only guy PLAYING defense. Everybody else (Stoudamire included) has his thump up his a$$ on defense, the great Carmelo Anthony being one of the worst offenders. Let’s see just how good of a defensive coach Woody is now . And we already know he’s less of an offensive mind than D’Antoni is…..again, by a long stretch. Speaking of which, ISO-Carmelo is way better than ISO-Joe, but ISO doesn’t win games like that these days, otherwise the Knicks would have made a lot more noise in the playoffs. Instead, they were shown to be the explosive/implosive a$$ clowns that they are. I feel that the exodus of D’Antoni from NY is just another pic in the slideshow of ineptitude that is Knicks front office/ownership mismanagement. But I digress….
I say Chandler will be a rock in a maelstrom….unfortunately for him, the team won’t survive the storm unless they chip in on defense.
A shot-blocking pivot is great to have when he’s not the only guy doing his job on defense. Imagine how well he’d fit in ATL. The Hawks would do well with a guy like this, regardless of whether it was Horford or Smith manning the 4 spot, because both are good team defenders, and despite his detractors, Al is actually a good man defender. What he isn’t, is a shot-blocker by trade, though he does block some shots. One reason Horford doesn’t get blocks on guys going to the basket is he doesn’t often leave his man. One reason why Josh usually gets blocks on guys going to the basket is because he usually DOES leave his man. It’s called weak-side defense, and there is none in the league better at it than Smith.
Astro Joe
July 10th, 2012
9:41 am
I sincerely hope this does not turn out to be the case:
Seth Davis: NBA scout told me today his team’s docs believe Perry Jones’s knees will only hold up for 3-4 years in the league. Explains why he dropped. Twitter
Astro Joe
July 10th, 2012
9:44 am
Big Ray, remember that game against the Celtics way back in May? Horford went for something like 19/10 with 3 blocks? Or maybe I am misremembering.
Sautee
July 10th, 2012
9:45 am
“All has a tough time judging closing speed and angles…Just brutal to watch..”
“Cant teach that stuff. Either ya got it or you don’t…He does not..”
OK slim, if that’s what you think, then let’s see if you can refrain from EXPECTING Horford to protect the rim. I mean, if it’s your opinion that “Either ya got it or you don’t…”He does not..” then you’ll have no real reason to rail on him for that.
Right?
Astro Joe
July 10th, 2012
9:49 am
Anyone watch that Sumer League game with Detroit and Utah? Austin Daye needs to hang out with me for a week. Dude is woefully skinny. he makes Kevin Durant look like Mel Burpin’ Turpin. He scored one basket because the defender couldn’t find him, they just saw the ball bouncing by itself.
Seriously, Pistons did themselves a favor by dumping Ben Gordon. Brandon Knight looks ready for prime time. I saw that Ben Wallace will return for his 27th year… if he can get Drummond to work hard, they could have a very nice core with Knight, Monroe and Drummond.
Buddy Grizzard
July 10th, 2012
9:50 am
“He was also the third highest paid player for the hawks which to me speaks to what a players expectations should be not a popularity contest.”
Joe + Josh = $33m
Al = $12m
Same number of 4th quarter playoff baskets for Al as Joe + Josh combined. Sounds like a bargain to me!
Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
9:51 am
doc, just asking not arguing..LOL! Chandler is neither a 2 time Allstar nor All NBA. But has huge impacts on games and series as we saw in Dallas.. I hope we get to see it again…
And BTW Mr. vava74 I am a NBA fan first. I just happened to be introduced to the Pro game by watching the Knicks growing up Sir.. Thank you..
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
9:56 am
Smart teams know what to do with Smith, if they have the proper tools. The key to neutralizing Josh is to make him guard his man, and make us pay when he doesn’t do so.
Boston did this against us in the playoffs this past postseason. Josh averaged .6 spg and 1 block per game in the series. Compare that to his defensive stats in past playoff performances where Smith has averaged anywhere from 1.1 to 1.7 spg and 1.6 to 2.9 bpg.
His best defensive stat performance in the playoffs came in ‘07-’08….against…get this…Boston. In that series, he had basically 3 bpg and 1.7 spg. Why? Because he was all over the place. I recall Doc Rivers saying they were catching hell because of his gambling, free lancing, weak side defense. They never knew where he was or where he was going to be next.
This past season, you have a more experienced, more mature Josh Smith. Yet he was neutralized by simple strategy – make him guard HIS man, and the defensive effect will not be nearly as potent.
Miami would have done the same thing by making Josh guard Bosh, and a lot of that would happen out on the perimeter.
This is why TEAM defense is so important, it’s also why the Bulls have a vastly superior defense to the Hawks. Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson block the most shots on that team, and both are VERY comparable to Horford in that category. Both are career 1.3 bpg guys, compared to Horford’s career 1.1 bpg. But that team can shut down and/or seriously hinder the best offenses the League has to offer.
Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
9:56 am
And yes Al should leave his man and go block the dam shot..He is playing an anchor position down on the block.He is the proverbial last line of defense? No?
Whatever……..
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
9:57 am
Big Ray, remember that game against the Celtics way back in May? Horford went for something like 19/10 with 3 blocks? Or maybe I am misremembering.
Ha. Yeah, well it seems your memory is pretty sharp….much to the chagrin of some, I’m sure…
O'Brien
July 10th, 2012
9:59 am
Mark Cuban gave Brendan Haywood 6 years, $55 mil back in 2010. Ouch. And then he lets Chandler go? Terrible move on his part (imo). I understand letting JJ Barrea, (and even Terry) and Stevenson go, but I would have amnestied Haywood, and kept Chandler.
If Dwight became a free agent, Mavs could have worked on a SNT with Orlando, giving them Chandler. And keep in mind Miami has a weakness at center, so a guy like Chandler would go a long way, plus with Dirk playing outside the paint, Chandler is a good compliment.
But Cuban put all his eggs in Deron/Dwight basket. And so far, it hasn’t worked out. On a similar note, I don’t think Ferry is putting all his eggs in the Dwight basket.
O'Brien
July 10th, 2012
10:00 am
Ra’mon,
Teague – Jenkins – Josh – Love – Zaza, would be a very intriguing line up if Ferry could pull it off..
True. But does that team put us any closer to an ECF much less an NBA Championship?
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
10:01 am
“All has a tough time judging closing speed and angles…Just brutal to watch..”
“Cant teach that stuff. Either ya got it or you don’t…He does not..”
And then….
And yes Al should leave his man and go block the dam shot..He is playing an anchor position down on the block.He is the proverbial last line of defense? No?
Ok. I’ll admit to confusion. So Al should go do something he’s absolutely horrible at, according to you. I can see it now. He leaves his man to incorrectly judge closing speed while taking a horrible angle….and either misses making the block or manages to foul his opponent….and either the opponent makes two free throws, or the guy Al was guarding gets the ball and scores.
Perfect “no win” situation. That damn Al. He just can’t do anything right.
O'Brien
July 10th, 2012
10:01 am
Ken S,
The Nets are in he process of blowing up their roster to get what they want, and it still won’t make them into a championship caliber team. All they will have is a starting 4 of DHoward, GWallace, JJohnson, and DWilliams..
The fact is, players will take less money to play on a contender. Ray Allen just took less money to play for the Heat. And Nets will have exceptions available, so even if they struggle this year (like Miami did last year), within a year or 2, their bench will be ok.
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
10:02 am
Don’t get mad, Slimster. It’s just a discussion.
Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
10:04 am
That’s why I want a Matt Barns or Peitrus out there on the perimeter harassing jump shooters and penetraters. They definitely make your team D more stout..
vava74
July 10th, 2012
10:05 am
I have a plan gentleman:
Let’s trade Josh for Noah, sign Corey Brewer and fetch Taurean Green from Armenia or whatever place he is playing at (even at international level as a naturalized citizen)…
Hire Billy Donovan and… And who was the 5th wheel on that second championship?
Let’s reunite the Gators under a Hawks uniform.
At least it would attract a lot of attention and maybe Horford would find his lost dog…
Astro Joe
July 10th, 2012
10:06 am
Slim, I was living in metro NYC and went to see the Knicks play the Heat in a playoff game at MSG. It was back when the Knicks had Ewing, Starks and I think Larry Johnson (who was a phenomenal player before his injuries) and the Heat had Zo, Mashburn and Hardaway. It was that brutal series that had all kind of fights. Anyway, I was truly convinced that I was going to die that night in a mass riot. I have never been in such an electric atmosphere. I also attended the Hawks-Celtics game with the almost-fight between KG and Zaza. That was another crazy climate… but nothing compared to MSG. I cheered for the Nets while I was living up there but learned to respect the Knicks basketball fans.
vava74
July 10th, 2012
10:07 am
“Perfect “no win” situation. That damn Al. He just can’t do anything right.”
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
10:08 am
The point is that Al really isn’t a center (but then, how many 6′9″ 245 lb guys are?). And moreso, he’s not a shot-blocking center. Big surprise. He wasn’t in college, he ain’t in the NBA. Why the continual fuss? It’s about as asinine as complaining for years and years that Marvin isn’t a superstar. Duh…
Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
10:09 am
Oh you got jokes too. Bad ones? Hahaha..Join the club….
vava74
July 10th, 2012
10:11 am
Slim,
Barnes and Pietrus will look to sign for a contender or look to get overpaid.
There is no in between: meaning, the currently construed Hawks no longer will attract veteran players with quality at the veteran’s minimum unless they have exhausted all other possibilities:
MIA, BRO, BOS, NYK, IND, LAL, LAC, DAL, SAS, OKC, MEM, …
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
10:14 am
This is how our interior defense works, when guys are doing their part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7XoQw1OxHI
Notice Al has a body on the bigger/stronger Dwight, not giving him a clear path to the basket, and keeping him rougly 4-5 feet from the rim. Does that stop Dwight? No. What it does, is make him turn and face the basket to try and get his shot off, and because he was meeting resistance while going to the hole, he leaves space for Josh to come over and attack the shot from the weak side (Dwight never saw him coming), which he does better than anybody in the NBA.
Al is the body/man defender. Josh is the shot-blocker. End of story.
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
10:15 am
Sorry, meant to say Jason, not Al.
Al ain’t that tall, LOL.
Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
10:16 am
No fuss hear..The guy is overrated that is all.
AJ your Nets went to two consecutive Championships with Scott at the helm..Man that guy is so underrated..Then he was fired a year later and they have sucked wind ever since..Until now? Maybe?
Big Ray
July 10th, 2012
10:17 am
Ok Slim….I’ll let you alone, I see you’re getting all emotional and what not…LOL…I gotta roll out anyway…
Sautee
July 10th, 2012
10:22 am
“And yes Al should leave his man and go block the dam shot..He is playing an anchor position down on the block.He is the proverbial last line of defense? No?”
“Whatever……..” – slimjr
Wait, didn’t you JUST say that he lacks those skills?
“Cant teach that stuff. Either ya got it or you don’t…He does not..” – slimjr
It comes down to this slim: Al gives good effort on the court. His skill set is what it is. But if you are of the opinion that he doesn’t have what it takes to block shots, then why do you keep expecting him to do it?
Dean
July 10th, 2012
10:23 am
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pointguardslim
July 10th, 2012
10:47 am
Yay! Big Lineup Recognition from Big Ray!
Josh Smith was at small forward, left his man from 10 feet away, to help block the shot from the wing position! That is hall of fame stuff.
And yes Al is that tall. Because that was Josh Powell absorbing contact and risking fouls on Dwight Howard.
Horford is the one getting pushed under the basket by the 6′10, 230 Ryan Anderson.
Don’t you love it?
———–
This is how our interior defense works, when guys are in [the right position] and can single cover rather than scrambling to cover up being undersized:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7XoQw1OxHI
Notice Al has a body on the similar Ryan Anderson. Powell is not giving Dwight, a clear path to the basket, and keeping him rougly 4-5 feet from the rim. Does that stop Dwight? No. What it does, is make him turn and face the basket to try and get his shot off, and because he was meeting resistance while going to the hole, he leaves space for Josh to come over and attack the shot from the weak side (Dwight never saw him coming), which he does better than anybody in the NBA.
Al IS A great player but he needs help and is undersized. Josh is a shot-blocker, no matter if its SF or PF 400-lb gorilla status). End of story.
Just Joe
July 10th, 2012
10:53 am
My first preference is to keep Teague, Jenkins, Josh, Al, ZaZa, Ivan & Stevenson. I’m confident that these 7 guys will give the effort necessary to compete on any given night (I’m not making any promises about their ability to compete, just that they’ll give the effort).
The next group that I’m unsure of is: Devin Harris, Jordan Taylor, Anthony Morrow, Pape Sy, Jordan Williams, Mike Scott, and Brian Butch.
Add either Mickael Pietrus (one year $5M deal) or Corey Brewer (trade exception), and get ready for the season.
Teague / Harris / Taylor
Morrow / Stevenson / Jenkins
Smith / Pietrus / Sy
Horford / Johnson / Scott
Pachulia / Butch / Williams
I like the veteran second unit of Harris, Stevenson & Pietrus, with the two 28-yr old 1st yr/2nd yr players, Johnson & Butch.
5 players in the pipeline being developed: Taylor, Jenkins, Sy, Scott & Williams. (or Shurna over Sy & Benson over Williams)
pointguardslim
July 10th, 2012
11:01 am
Just Joe on the big lineup bandwagon!
—-
The Orlando Magic scored 532 points in 6 Playoff games against the 2011 Hawks.
That’s 88 ppg.
Teague / Harris / Taylor
Morrow / Stevenson / Jenkins
Smith / Pietrus / Sy
Horford / Johnson / Scott
Pachulia / Butch / Williams
Slimjr let’s tone it down a bit. As long as we play big, we will dominate defense and pump in points with Morrow and Jenkins.
Buddy Grizzard
July 10th, 2012
11:08 am
Larry Johnson was off the charts. Feel so cheated we didn’t get to see him play a long career.
Rev in Tampa
July 10th, 2012
11:11 am
Nornally I am against selfishness and greed, but I’m pulling for Kris Humphries to hold out for a max, multi-year deal. I hope he prices himself out of what Cleveland or Charlotte is willing to give him. Still no deal so hope continues to shine.
pointguardslim
July 10th, 2012
11:12 am
So Big Ray you advocating the big lineup or was that an accidental endorsement?
Al can’t and shouldn’t bang with the bigger centers. And Josh shouldn’t bang with the powerful forwards. That’s what role players are for.
And the OC crap? Just shove it. Sacrificing rebounding, defense, and team interior defense for a couple all star games, is backwater Atlanta crap. Backup status at that.
It’s time to advance.
Like Kobe said, “It’s championships or nothing”.
pointguardslim
July 10th, 2012
11:23 am
To Mr Cunningham.
I’m mad the only endorsement for a roster change I can recall from you was shooting more 3s. Really? You don’t just shoot them, you post someone up, or if the Hawks, Joe dribble till someones open. And no championship team doubles Josh Smith on a big man, they let him shoot over tall defenders because he misses against the height of a Troy Murphy, Lavoy Allen, Udonis, and strength of a Brandon Bass, why double a post player who cant post up?
Time to endorse starting Zaza, and doubling down on quality centers on the roster, Petro aint gonna cut it. Damn it I wanted Ezeli, Oden better be healthy next year or you’re looking at Dalembert and Blair (both of them together with Zaza would actually be a monster bang for your buck haul, for $6 mil a year, and enhance Josh and Al’s traits)
Astro Joe
July 10th, 2012
11:24 am
Buddy, yeah, same for Penny Hardaway. But LJ was like the original “tweener”. Dude played angry all the time.
KevinM
July 10th, 2012
11:26 am
Are we building this team for next year’s playoffs or are we building for long term? Last time we had a smidgeon of success, we re-upped Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza in the same offseason. Where did that take us?
The only starter on this team who had to go get his own contract was Josh. Are you telling me that we are going to reward him by offering 5/45 or 5/60? Some of the thoughts here……
IMO, 2 things need to happen: Since there is no decision on lameduck coach LD (who apparently will get his last year in), you have to look at the roster as presently constructed. You have one year with these guys in the playoffs…..you also end up with contract issues with Josh, Zaza (again), and Teague. The trouble we ran into before was overpaying. For our current guys, we shouldn’t have to overpay.
If Josh isn’t an all-star this year, no way he gets more than Al, coaches vote or not. Last year was Josh’s all-star attempt…it didn’t happen, and he has missed the window now.
Sounds like we’re trying to compete for one more year, which as currently constructed isn’t beating teams over .500.
So as presently constructed, we have Josh at the SF. Why are we discussing the need for a SF? A backup, yes, but not a starter.
Of the 3 in the big lineup, you know Zaza is going to go up against D12, Lopez, Bynum. What we need is another C should Zaza not be durable enough.
sherry
July 10th, 2012
11:35 am
Atlanta hawks look like a wasteland of scrubs. They should go ahead a trade Josh, jeff, and Al to make a complete swipe! They have cut this team to the bone and there is nobody that wants to come play for the atlanta hawks. This team is back to being losers! its sad that this team looks like the bobcats but I think they have a better roster.
Just Joe
July 10th, 2012
11:45 am
So now there’s rumors Hawks are back in the mix for Howard. Sources seem sketchy though (don’t want to be identified).
Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
11:52 am
Okay Sautee, BigRay,doc,Grandad, vava74, pointguardslim, steven A, I am going to leave your favorite Hawk alone.He is what he is overrated that is all..
Northcyde said it best: “A Legit AllStar can take over games and will his team to Victories” Hmmm
Cant wait to see him play the 4..It will give me more material later…LOL!
Go Hawks!!! And especially for vava74 Go Knicks!
Slimjr
July 10th, 2012
12:02 pm
Just Joe, Orlando would be nuts to pass up on 2time Allstar and All NBA Al Horford. Trade an Allstar big for an Allstar big? Duh…
Danny aint fooling nobody.You know he put Horford on the table along with others with expiring contracts, and draft picks. Plus the Hawks can afford to take back a toxic contract or two with the Cleared Cap space…
Hey, wash the Limo and gas it up….Zoom, Zoom…