Atlanta Hawks: Hawks look to be out of chase for Dwight Howard
The Hawks no longer appear to be in the Dwight Howard sweepstakes.
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports reports that it’s now a two-team race for Howard between the Nets and the Lakers with Brooklyn in the lead. Center Brook Lopez would be the centerpiece of a deal with the Nets while the Lakers would send center Andrew Bynum to Orlando.
Update: Wojnarowski reports that in the latest proposal the Magic would send Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark to the Nets in exchange for Lopez, Damion James, Shelden Williams, Luke Walton and up to four first-round draft picks.
The Hawks had been in discussions with Orlando regarding Howard since before the draft. They can offer the Magic better players than New Jersey in exchange for Howard, including Al Horford and Jeff Teague. The Hawks also picked up an extra first-round draft pick as part of the trade that sent Joe Johnson to the Nets.
But Atlanta has been reluctant to make such a deal because Howard has given no indication he’s willing to commit to the Hawks (or any team other than Brooklyn) beyond next season. Without that assurance, Atlanta is unwilling to trade major pieces and draft picks and also take back one or more of Orlando’s onerous contracts with the risk that Howard would bolt in free agency after one season.
According to multiple reports, the Nets are trying to complete a complicated trade for Howard that could include two other teams and as many as 14 players. Howard, the former Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy star, made it more difficult for Orlando to trade him when he exercised his 2012-13 contract option at the last trade deadline.
Howard opted in after he had requested a trade in December, when the Hawks were among the teams engaged in serious trade discussions with Orlando’s since-fired GM Otis Smith. Howard renewed his trade request in April and last week told Yahoo that if he’s sent to any team other than Brooklyn he would play out his contract and explore free agency next season.
Brian K. Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel reported that the Magic are in “no hurry” to trade Howard. But other reports have indicated the Magic are ready to trade Howard as soon as possible and begin rebuilding after months of drama surrounding their franchise player.
After shedding Johnson’s contract, the Hawks are in position to offer Howard a maximum free agent deal next summer. But the team that has Howard under contract to end the 2012-13 season will hold his “Bird Rights” and be able to offer a contract that’s worth about $25 million more than any other team.
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theking21
July 9th, 2012
1:38 pm
first
Khao$
July 9th, 2012
1:46 pm
I can’t be mad with the Hawks for not wanted to break the bank (ie get rid of Horford, Teague, take on Richardson’s bad contract) and not having assurances that Dwight would stay (not to mention Josh). The team would be gutted with nothing to build off of.
At this point, I think the best move to make (given Dwight’s position that its Nets or bust) is to trade Josh for picks or good pieces. Other than Chris Paul (who has hinted towards wanting to stay in LA), next year’s FA class isn’t all that robust either.
The next few years could bring about some unwatchable basketball. However, if it leads to constructing a sound, championship contender, so be it.
HawkKingBibby
July 9th, 2012
1:47 pm
Give up Horford but not Horford and Teague. Roll the dice because Horford is a nice player but he is NOT a franchise player.
VD
July 9th, 2012
1:48 pm
Build around Teague and Horford as a 4. get a great defensive center, a great shooter and a play maker wing man.,
Harry Hawk
July 9th, 2012
1:49 pm
Yep. Gotta move Josh. He won’t be here after this season.
Jesse
July 9th, 2012
1:51 pm
It’s a shame the NBA is turning into this kind of league where players dictate everything. It’s about to be an 8 team league with no one else having a chance.
HawkKingBibby
July 9th, 2012
1:53 pm
8? maybe 4 or 5 tops. sadly…..
garcia
July 9th, 2012
1:56 pm
Apparently, the NBA formula is to have a handful of serious teams and a bunch of New Jersey Generals.
The Atlanta Generals…..nice.
BC
July 9th, 2012
2:04 pm
Trade Josh for a legit wing. Forget Dwight. Why do you want players that would be unhappy here?
Slimjr
July 9th, 2012
2:09 pm
Bye Josh..Its been a good run with ya!
Slimjr
July 9th, 2012
2:10 pm
The Dallas Hawks.. No thanks…
vava74
July 9th, 2012
2:12 pm
Buddy G:
“What’s a better back court?
Joe Teague Kirk
Teague Morrow Harris
Pretty close call, right?”
Are you out of your f***ing mind?
It’s not even close by a mile.
Devin is a decent player who MIGHT get back on track but is spiralling down fast.
He was never a good defender and only an half decent passing PG.
Sure, he had a breakout season in which he looked like star material and a huge mistake by the Mavs, but either due to injury or other factors, the harsh reality is that he is going down and it would be a major surprise if he managed to turn his career around.
Right now, he is a 30 year old injury prone PG with significant shortcomings.
Morrow is a streaky jump shooter which may prove to be useful but will probably never be more than a fringe player, capable of, in good years and with luck, be a rotational player on a playoff team.
My projection for him is that he will average 7 to 9 ppg on just over .400 shooting, whilst bringing zero defense.
If could not find the “space” to blossom with the Nets, bad as they were last year, what makes you think he will blossom here where the PG play of Teague is substantially inferior to Deron on the play making department?
vava74
July 9th, 2012
2:15 pm
Buddy G,
The so called “ball stopper JJ” was a legit All-Star and a legit two way player who gave us defensive consistency on the perimeter, frequently called to exert vast amounts of energy chasing opposing PGs.
Did he have shortcomings? Did he trust too much in his ISO capabilities? Beyond its actual production?
Sure, but you should blame the lame excuses of head-coaches that we had/have.
Woody and LD are 90% responsible for all bad things that you can point on JJ.
BravesFan79
July 9th, 2012
2:16 pm
The Hawks have a very solid team as currently constructed, and could be one of the better “small ball” teams in the NBA with the right coach like a Don Nelson. We have a All Star Center in Horford, a All Star power forward in Smith. One of the best shooters in the NBA in Anthony Morrow, and one of the best young pt guards in Teague. I see no reason why the Hawks wont be a 4-6 seed in the playoffs next year.
vava74
July 9th, 2012
2:17 pm
(bad things ON court)
Outside the court, you can blame ASG for not offering him a smaller contract or for not using him on a S&T.
Astro Joe
July 9th, 2012
2:18 pm
Ra’mon, the next time you talk to Josh, please ask him if he stays in touch with Calvin Murphy and if he has recommended Murphy to some of the Hawks young guards. Thanks.
gLENN
July 9th, 2012
2:18 pm
Surprised so many rule out the Hawks for CP III . I think if he liked the direction the Hawks were taking & was offered the coin he would sign . He likes the city & is from the region . I believe both will happen. Anyone outside the Nets would be silly to offer up anything for DH . Guy said he would only sign long term with the Nets . The Hawks after this year have extreme flexibility . Skies the limit .
I would love for us to sign Josh , bring in CPIII and move Teague . We would still have money for building the roster . Those expiring contracts are gold .
Slimjr
July 9th, 2012
2:18 pm
FTPB
Legit? Or Not? That is today’s question?
“The key word in that sentence is LEGIT.
Horford was named to the All-Star team twice . . but a LEGIT All-Star is one who can take over a game on a routine basis. LEGIT All-Star status for Josh and Al would be for them to average an EFFICIENT 20 ppg and 10 rebs. I’m talking about LaMarcus Aldridge legit type shooting and point totals . . or Blake Griffin scoring and rebounding numbers.
We just lost our #1 option to close a game. Whether people think he was good or not in closing a game, the fact was that he did close games. That duty now goes to Al and Josh. A situation that they haven’t normally been in. So with them being the go-to guys on a nightly basis, we’ll see if they can put up LEGIT All-Star numbers.”
Allstar Al has already proven he can’t take over a game on a the nightly. Just not equipped..Sorry..
LEGIT AllStar??? Hmmmmm
Josh is a whole other story..He is on the cusp! Tweak that jumper of his and Bingo!
We will miss Josh….
Ticktokticktok
July 9th, 2012
2:20 pm
Have you seen what smoking Bath Salts will do to ya? 4th seed?? Really…
MikeH
July 9th, 2012
2:21 pm
I see why the Hawks have done what they have done but ASG better find some investors as attendance will take another hit if we do not start out of the gates fast…I love Josh, Teague, and Horford but I am not sure where we get enough points to win a basketball game against a good team…I am hoping that Ferry can somehow bring in a legit SF here that is young enough and talented enough to make a real difference…Not R. Lewis or some old washed up guy looking for one more check…I am afraid that Ferry needs to pull a trade in order to solidify this spot….R. Gay or maybe OJ Mayo…Someone with starting skills
Slimjr
July 9th, 2012
2:22 pm
delete [a]
i_am_soulstar
July 9th, 2012
2:23 pm
ccarking,
Lol, I’m a troll now? I was simply saying that I saw pics of Joe at the wedding, but that I’m sure you could find them on the web yourself, rather than me finding them and posting a link. I’m not sure how those are middle school antics, and I wasn’t attempting to be combative, just making a statement, right or wrong.
This is a blog, so your comments may be actually be COMMENTED ON! No need for the monologue, Sensitive Susan.
aytunstoppable
July 9th, 2012
2:23 pm
You are fooling urself if you think this hawks team is better than the one alst year braves fan. Get real. We will make the playoffs jsut because of Josh and Horford. But other than that this team is bad and I’ve been a fan of years. now I have to suffer through 35-40 wins instead of the assured 45-50 when joe was here. Ugh I rather have user be a good top 5 rteam and get ousted early then have a team that definitely can’t get out the 1st round like we are now. I miss joe already. no i got to watch a year of really not fun basketball. right no hawks future is very bleak compared to having joe here.
steven a smith
July 9th, 2012
2:25 pm
Slimjr
July 9th, 2012
2:10 pm
The Dallas Hawks.. No thanks…
At least these teams will be in a position to start over. The worst place to be in the NBA is 42-40 with no lottery pick. At least they will more than likely get into the lottery within 2 years.
BravesFan79
July 9th, 2012
2:26 pm
Will everyone stop talking about how much “financial flexability” we have as if its the best thing in the world. Other teams with “financial flexability” that are waiting on their magical unicorn to sign include the Bobcats, Mavericks, Portland, and just about every other team not named Miami, NY, or LA.
NORRIS CHUCK
July 9th, 2012
2:26 pm
What happened to the CBA aka Corrupted Ballers Alliance? All these “Super Teams” are killing the game!
i_am_soulstar
July 9th, 2012
2:27 pm
The Hawks could seriously just as do as well the recent seasons with a few free agents. We’d be like the Pacers last year (no real star). But I’d rather see this team contend, and attract long-term free agents, than hit the lottery hoping for the right ping pong ball to drop. Like some have pointed out, that doesn’t always work out.
Teams like the Timberwolves, Warriors, Kings, Bobcats, etc. haven’t been in the playoffs in forever. No guarantee that it plays out differently for us.
MikeH
July 9th, 2012
2:28 pm
Please…having Joe here guaranteed us nothing….except we were paying a boat load for his services which were not up to par with his contributions….I have no problem taking some steps back but I do want to be competive and Ferry much address the loss somehow….Again, not with some T. McGrady or R. Lewis retread…A real starting talent…
steven a smith
July 9th, 2012
2:28 pm
1st Great Idea of the day,
BC
July 9th, 2012
2:04 pm
Trade Josh for a legit wing. Forget Dwight. Why do you want players that would be unhappy here?
Josh could net us a player and a draft pick.
Slimjr
July 9th, 2012
2:28 pm
“At least these teams will be in a position to start over. The worst place to be in the NBA is 42-40 with no lottery pick. At least they will more than likely get into the lottery within 2 years”
Points Taken Sir..
Its going to be hard to swallow though? While most teams in the East load up now..
Astro Joe
July 9th, 2012
2:31 pm
I think the odds are pretty high that Pat Riley has already reached out to Jason Collins’ agent. Time to bring in the D12-Kryptonite.
BravesFan79
July 9th, 2012
2:32 pm
Yes of course the Hawks could still be a 4-6 seed next year! Whos better in the east besides Miami and Chicago (maybe NJ and NY) The Pacers lost Hibbert, the 76ers lost Brand, Orlando is loosing Dwight. After those 4 teams, who else might be better on paper than the Hawks? A 5 or 6 seed is very realistic.
And i dont know why everyones selling Morrow short, he was on a crappy team with no inside presence, meaning he will get better looks with the Hawks. In fact just last season he scored 42 against the T-Wolves while nailing 8 3pointers. Will he provide the same defense or low block scoring as Joe? No. But hes a better shooter with length.
Jbone
July 9th, 2012
2:32 pm
@HawkKingBibby…..Are you crazy. Horford is an all star center and hes even playing out of position. You dont trade him for anything. He is the only leader the hawks have. Make it through season this season with what we have (maybe add Rashad Lewis) and go after Dwight in free agency. Re-sign Josh, move Al to pf, his natural position, and watch what happens. With a lightning quick Teague running point, sharp shooting Jenkins at the 2 in his 2nd year, and a front line of Josh, Al, and Dwight, that hawks team would dominate anyone (current champs included.)
steven a smith
July 9th, 2012
2:34 pm
Rashard Lewis-Mickael Pietrus-OR–O. J. Mayo would be a nice fit for this team. Rashard has 3 good years remaining…Do not forget JR Smith. He would be a nice 6th man, ala James Harden.
I would lock Smith and Mayo up for 3–4 years around Mid-level money for each. There are no “Great Wings” available right now.
Sautee
July 9th, 2012
2:35 pm
“Allstar Al has already proven he can’t take over a game on a the nightly. Just not equipped..Sorry.. ” – slimjr
slim, that’s a straw man statement. When has Horford ever even been ASKED to “take over a game on a nightly basis”.
To be clear, I don’t think he’s that kind of player, and neither do you, so what are you proving by saying he “already proven” that he can’t do what he has never 1) been asked to do, and 2) given a chance to do? It’s a straight out straw man argument, and some of us see through it.
Man, you’re just plain hatin’. I thought you were better than that.
Eb
July 9th, 2012
2:35 pm
Dear Mr. Ferry,
Welcome to Atlanta. If you want to be here for awhile, your plan must include bringing in a TRUE Superstar. This town has endured years of Joe Johnson pretending to be a superstar and will not settle for another no-name rebuild. Its been a long time since the Dominique trade and the ATL is hungry for a similar caliber name to rally around. Don’t be fooled, this is the only way it will work in this town. Building another team of average to above average players will guarantee continuation of lackluster attendance and fan support. Need proof- look how Vick polarized this town and filled the dome before eventually hanging himself. Matt Ryan has been exposed as an average QB and watch attendance plummet this year. Braves did well under Smoltz, Glavine, Maddux, Sheffield, etc. but lost fan interest when they elected to sign superstars beyond their prime and no-name players.
This town is desperate for a Champion and has a very jaded history. Our only title came 17 years ago with the Braves who are better known for the titles they didn’t win. Falcons went to one Superbowl in 45 years and were blown out following the embarrassing arrest of Eugene Robinson. Hawks have never been to even the ECF in 44 years. We’ve had 2 NHL teams who are now gone and the last team- Thrashers- never won a single playoff game. Expand to NCAA and see UGA’s last football title coming 30+ years ago and GT’s coming 20+ years ago. GT is better known for basketball but they never won it all and can’t even make the NCAA tourney anymore.
Thought you’d want to know what you’re up against here. Best of luck!
Eb
steven a smith
July 9th, 2012
2:37 pm
Sautee
July 9th, 2012
2:35 pm
“Allstar Al has already proven he can’t take over a game on a the nightly. Just not equipped..Sorry.. ” – slimjr
First time i have ever agreed with this guy…AL Horford is not even the best player on his Domminican
Republic Basketball team. Dude looked small and lost in the game against NIGERIA.
Spud Webb
July 9th, 2012
2:37 pm
We should be about as good. I would say that Horford in the line up all season and Joe out should be a wash. We actually played well last season in the games that Joe was out. JJ was actually a cancer on the team given his undeserved contract. Regarding Howard, I would like him to be here, but I am ok that he won’t. He is full of drama and might be detriment to team chemistry. I am ok with the Hawks team for now. There are never any guarantees, but you have to credit our new GM for trying. The old formula wasn’t working. We now have a chance.
steve brown
July 9th, 2012
2:39 pm
Based on Josh Smith’s latest comments I bet Ferry is on the phones working to trade him now!
i_am_soulstar
July 9th, 2012
2:40 pm
Oh yeah, Morrow’s lights out. I’ve coveted that guy for years, but as a 1st or 2nd option off the bench. But with the way the team’s currently constructed, he may just have to start.
I really don’t like the idea of Teague/Harris starting in the backcourt. Shooting guards would kill us, but I guess I’m not really a proponent of small-ball.
Hopefully we get a real starting caliber 2-guard to fill the void.
steven a smith
July 9th, 2012
2:40 pm
Eb
July 9th, 2012
2:35 pm
Dear Mr. Ferry
I am sure that you see the Glass as “Half Empty.” Sounds like you need some Tony Robbins motivational DVDs Bro!
doc
July 9th, 2012
2:41 pm
who would haver ever thought, shels could be bait to get d12. yup, billy knight pretty smart.
steve brown
July 9th, 2012
2:42 pm
Josh just had the best season I believe he will ever have (we all know the reasons). Trade him now.
i_am_soulstar
July 9th, 2012
2:43 pm
We’ll have a hell of a backcourt though (starters and bench) if we can get a Courtney Lee/O.J. Mayo to start.
FRESH
July 9th, 2012
2:43 pm
Cap space is overrated. Look what happened to Dallas and who was last star free agent to come to Atlanta without being traded. Mutombo maybe
Rod from College Park
July 9th, 2012
2:45 pm
“LOL Brooks 0-for-8 vs. summer league competition, Brooklyn getting destroyed by Orlando last I checked. Yeah, that was the key, get another ball-stopping wannabe Kobe in here. NBA Finals for sure.”
Marvin Williams was a summer league MVP. Means nothing. Did you see what Brooks did against Joe Johnson last year in games that count?
Ticktokticktok
July 9th, 2012
2:45 pm
Amo can shoot no doubt! But he couldn’t guard a Foot from a Shoe.
Eb
July 9th, 2012
2:46 pm
If Sheldon Williams goes to Orlando in the Howard trade, it would make his 7th different team in 5 years since being traded from the Hawks. Billy Knight couldn’t have swung and missed any bigger with this 5th overall pick from the 2006 draft.
aytunstoppable
July 9th, 2012
2:48 pm
Goodness some of u r stupid. Since when does trading Joe Johnson make us better. it amde us worse stop being so dumb. I’m all right with the trade but don’t be stupid and think the team is better now. no its not. No one we got in either of those trades can replace 18 points a game, close the game, and command a duble team. Nobody game plans for Josh or Al. they game planned for Joe though so stop being so damn dumb.
And I’m glad we aren’t getting D12 let that cry baby biatch go somewhere else. I rather have and teague than a center that can’t do anything because he has no Guard to help him. Thats why our posistion would be if we did that trade. Centers can’t do jack with out a good back court and all we have is teague.
steven a smith
July 9th, 2012
2:49 pm
PG-Harris/Teague/Pargo
SG-Pietrus/Jenkins/Morrow/Stevenson
SF-Josh/Randolph
PF-Horford/Ivan/Mike Scott(probably won’t make the team)
C–Petro/Zsa Zsa/Jordan Williams
Skip Bayless
July 9th, 2012
2:49 pm
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champion chipz plz
July 9th, 2012
2:50 pm
The Nets owned is a crazy SOB if he is willing to go that far over the salary cap next year. The Hawks should try to get Andrew Bynum.
michael
July 9th, 2012
2:51 pm
I say this as a Nets fan: most of the Nets possessions this year will be D. Williams distributing the ball to J.Johnson at the top of the key, winding the shot clock down to about 5, then lobbing up a 20 foot jump shot on an isolation 1 on 1. Just because you get names, that alone doesn’t seal the deal. Chemistry matters.
steven a smith
July 9th, 2012
2:52 pm
We picked Josh Childress over Al Jefferson…What a genius..These guys get paid for this tomfoolery.
MrNique
July 9th, 2012
2:52 pm
They are looking for a 4th team. Should we send them that Houston pick back and take Marshon Brooks?
ASHCAN!!!!
July 9th, 2012
2:53 pm
Did anyone read before you responded. It said that howard would not commit to a long term contract with the hawks which mean if they make a trade package with horford and teague, they would lose two players and get nothing in return after howard contract expires.
John
July 9th, 2012
2:56 pm
This should not be a surprise to anyone. I have said all along that trading Joe would be the right move if you can get something in return because we will not be able to lure the “superstar” type players that people want here. Instead, we trade Joe to the Nets and help create another Eastern juggernaught with little to show for it except alot of money to spend on players that are not as good as Joe. We shoud have ensured that we get Brooks in that deal at the least. Did anyone ever think we would really get Howard? or Paul? It cracks me up that people still say Paul may sign here because he would have liked for us to draft him 8 or 9 years ago. I don’t think he is going to leave LA and Blake Griffin to come play here. I am a die hard Hawks fan who is an eternal optimist on the court but not off of it. I have never been thrilled with Ferry’s moves because I don’t think they will lead to the splash that people desire.
gLENN
July 9th, 2012
2:56 pm
CBS says a trade is inplace
check this out
Here it is, via Yahoo! Sports:
Brooklyn gets: Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark from the Magic
Orlando gets: Brook Lopez, Damion James and Sheldon Williams from the Nets and Luke Walton from the Cavaliers, plus three future first-round picks
Cleveland gets: Quentin Richardson from the Magic, Sundiata Gaines, Kris Humphries (on a one-year guaranteed deal), a first-round pick and $3 million from the Net
Also, Brooklyn would send MarShon Brooks to a fourth team to get them an additional first-round pick to send to the Magic.
cpsman_atlanta
July 9th, 2012
2:57 pm
Does anyone really think that Dwight Howard wants to play for an ownership group like Atlanta $pirit Group? As a fan of the Thrashers, who were sold off to keep the basketball team afloat, it is so fantastic to see this team continue to sink deeper and deeper.
I feel really bad for Danny Ferry, because all he is is just an innocent bystander. He’s a good GM, and can probably do some good here, but not with an ownership group so screwed up as this.
Folks, just hope for the selling of the team to someone who cares, which might bring back an NHL team to the city.
corporate tv ball sux
July 9th, 2012
2:59 pm
joe and marvin(who?) are gone. leave drama12 in florida on the beach. should match and keep kirk for 3mil a yr. teague, josh, and al are a great core for the run and play defense game, but the hawks need a a true passing guard that can play defense and spot up, and either zaza or a true mobile center. chemistry is the key in a team game. but then again, the nba is really just a business……
The Real cp
July 9th, 2012
3:05 pm
I think the Hawks should sign Gerald Green and Randolph. If the trade proposal is true then the Hawks should get involved and offer the first rounder they got from the Nets and snag Brooks
Bruce
July 9th, 2012
3:12 pm
Amen cpsman_atlanta. Won’t set foot in Philips Arena as long as the Atlanta Spiritless Group owns the Hawks.
Astro Joe
July 9th, 2012
3:17 pm
If Humphries is the hold-up (waiting for a multi-year deal), then throwijng in a draft pick and talking back Brooks won’t help the Nets land Dwight. It sounds like they may need a team to give Humphries a long-term deal.
So the Rockets reportedly will acquire an UNprotected draft pick from Toronto for Kyle Lowry. And they reportedly expressed interest in Josh Smith. If Dwight lands in Brooklyn and it doesn’t appear as if Lou Hudson is walking through the arena doors, should Ferry…
Tyler
July 9th, 2012
3:23 pm
Thing is Horford is better than Lopez cause Lopez only averages 3.6 something rebounds a game at 7 feet tall.. Orlando is dumb if they take that. But Horford is not a long term answer for the hawks. He’s good but not great. He’s essentially a little bit better than what Kris Humphries was last year. I’d trade Horford Teague DeShawn Stevenson (coming from NJ) and 2 first rounders for Dwight and Jason Richardson. and then sign anthony randolph as a free agent. Our lineup would be PG D. Harris SG J-Rich/ T-Mac SF Josh PF Randolph C Howard. Try and persuade Chris paul to come to ATL next year ( he already turned down an extension with the clippers) and Have Chris, Josh, Randolph (who will produce as much or more as horford does now) and Dwight. as our big players.
SuckerFree
July 9th, 2012
3:23 pm
Petro is a scrub quit putting that man in the starting lineup. He has never started anywhere in his entire life. He will not play and will probably be bought out or waived. He’s trash. Just because he’s 7 foot tall means one thing and one thing only….we’ll get him a bigger chair to stretch his legs out at the end of the bench.
AtlantaCham
July 9th, 2012
3:23 pm
Can we afford Marcus Camby? Is it too late to jump into that battle? Camby, Zaza, and Petro is a pretty good three headed monster at center, and Al can always spend some time there when you want to go small. That would leave Al playing mostly the 4 and move Josh to the 3. With Teague at point and designated gunner Morrow as SG, surely that team would make the playoffs.
jay
July 9th, 2012
3:24 pm
This is some bull. Sign the man and you will have 25 million to black mail him. Oh did I use that term correctly? Either way money talks bull….well you know the rest. Dumb move Hawks.
Wink
July 9th, 2012
3:24 pm
The Hawks had their shot at Joe Johnson’s replacement, but punked out, just to rid themselves of The Contract.
Marshon Brooks should have been included in the deal period. However, the Nets valued Marshon as much as they did Joe, and force the Hawks to “Take it or Leave it”. Marshon Brooks has more confidence than Joe Johnson right now…should have force the issue to get him. The kid is going to be special!
MarShon Brooks, the rookie with no reservations, received the pass at the perimeter, took one look at Deron Williams and waved him away. He commanded the ball, and his teammates cleared out. With 2:18 remaining, Brooks drove on the bigger defender, Joe Johnson, pivoted and then coolly stroked a fadeaway to cut the deficit to 1. “He does not lack confidence,” Williams said. “That’s not going to be his problem. He definitely believes in himself, believes in his abilities. He feels like he can score on anybody, which he can, and definitely he’s going to earn minutes.” The Nets lost their third straight Friday night, 105-98, to the Hawks. But a silver lining emerged in all of the losses, which included a 36-point drubbing at the hands of the Hawks three days earlier: Brooks, 22, the former Providence star and the 25th pick of this year’s draft who scored 21 points in 29 minutes Friday, is New Jersey’s second-leading scorer, averaging 15.3 points per game.
Melvin
July 9th, 2012
3:25 pm
What sense does it make for Cleveland to be a part of that trade? They are getting junk players, losing salary cap space and a low draft pick. The 3mil in cash is the best part for them. Heck, even the Magic are getting garbage. Paying Lopez a max contract, man please. Those GMs need to be fired after this trade goes thru. Nets should be a top 3 team in the east if Howard is healthy. Mia, Bos, Nets, NYK, Bulls (Rose still recovering and lost of Asik)- Top 5 teams in the East.
glw
July 9th, 2012
3:26 pm
If that deal Howard deal goes down as reported, man the Magic are getting robbed. Yeah they are getting rid of JRich contract with Howard, but all you are getting is a maxed out and overpaid Lopez some late 1st rd draft picks and garbage? For that I would just hold on to him and make him summer before I take that Nets deal.
Melvin
July 9th, 2012
3:28 pm
Now I hate Cleveland if this deal goes thru as proposed… What was the lockout for? Seem like the league is becoming more unbalance than before…
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
3:29 pm
sports in general are fun n countless hours go into opinionated convo making a fun thing..let me share something with u imo..al horford is a beast ..practically shoots great plays lockdown d and is one of the hearts of a champion players..jeff teague is GOOD and solid he is going to be top ten pg this year ..john jenkins isn’t joe2..YET..he is going to surprise sooo many hawks fans..Watch he is pure pure shooter..and josh smith is getting better and imo has been an all star since 09..youngest player to reach 1000 blox in NBA HISTORY …PERIOD! !WE NEED AL JOSH N TEAGUE..PERIOD THE MARKSMEN ARE JOHN JENKINS ..AND MORROW WE WILL GO FURTHER THIS SEASON..WATCH ..GRAB YA POPCORN. AND CHECK YYA LOCAL LISTINGS ..I SHALL BE AAMIDST THE ACTION
jay
July 9th, 2012
3:29 pm
@glw, totally agree. who cares if he wants to be traded. that has to be the worst trade I’ve ever seen. we are getting more Joe than they are for Howard.
ryan
July 9th, 2012
3:30 pm
Mega teams will ruin the NBA bank on it .
Ken Strickland
July 9th, 2012
3:31 pm
After reading all of the NEGATIVE MINDED BS about us automatically becoming a lottery team, I did a little researsh. I compared the stats of some of last yrs Hawk players with some of the players we received back in the JJ trade, and here’s what I came up with.
If you combine the stats of EDampier and JCollins, they wouldn’t equal the individual stats of C JPetro or PF JWilliams. Here’s what I mean: JPetro/JWilliams(JCollins/EDampier combined);
MPG-14.8/15.6(16MPG combined), PPG-4.6/4.2(1.4 combined), RPG-3.8/3.6(3.3 combined), APG-.8/.3(.06 combined), SPG-.36/.49(.40 combined), BPG-.39/.35(.37 combined), TPG-.5/.6(.05 combined, FPG-2.1/1.4(1.7 combined), A/TO-1.3/1.8(2.3 combined), PER-10.3/14.5(9.3 combined).
I also looked at KHinrich’s production and compared it to AMorrow. Hinrich/Morrow.
MPG-25/24.4, PPG-6.6/12, RPG-2.1/2.0, APG-2.8/1.0, SPG-.79/.74, BPG-.23/.15, TPG-1.2/1.1, FPG-2.1/1.4, A/TO-2.9/.9, PER-9.3/13.1.
I find it hard to believe that a prolific scorer and shooter like Jenkins would have much difficulty either matching or exceeding Hinrich’s 6.6PPG as a starter or coming off the bench. Both Jenkins and DHarris can give us more scoring and scoring consistency than we got from Hinrich, and DStephenson is a much better DEF player than Hinrich as well.
We could end up with a better team than last yrs due to the sum of its parts. Hopefully, the Hawks will be more uptempo and depend on the team concept, rather than depending on a lead dog scorer and ball dominator like JJ. We’ll definitely have better rebounding, and more quality depth, with the younger players having the potential to get better as the season progresses.
Bob
July 9th, 2012
3:32 pm
could the Hawks be the fourth team in the deal, trading their 1st round pick in exchange for Brooks?
jay
July 9th, 2012
3:37 pm
“Lopez has been seeking a maximum contract extension — five years for $78.6 million — from Brooklyn, but the two sides are still negotiating a number. If Lopez is sent to the Magic in a sign-and-trade, the most he could get is $58.4 million over four years.”
So Brook Lopez is going to give up 20 million dollars to help the Nets ship him away? and Humphries is going to give up 3 years of guaranteed money to help the Nets ship him away. And not to good teams, but to teams that are going to suck. I just don’t get it.
gLENN
July 9th, 2012
3:38 pm
@ Bob
I wondered that as well . We do have that lottery protected pick The Net gave us .
@ glw
I couldn’t agree more . Thing is with Dwight only saying he would sign with the Net , Orlando pretty much has to take what they can get… sad stuff . Not to mention Bynum saying that as well .
jay
July 9th, 2012
3:39 pm
@Ken, all that won’t matter. We are going to be a mediocre team in a conf with two power house teams. We won’t sniff a championship for years to come if this trade goes through. Great that we got rid of Joe’s contract, but it seems pointless now.
Who Really Cares
July 9th, 2012
3:40 pm
Who really cares about the NBA? The ratings are down every year. It’s full of tattooed Thugs? It doesn’t appeal to most of America so who really gives a damn?
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
3:42 pm
hawks will go further if we keep what we have ( morrow.smith.horford.pachulia.teague.jenkins.and. bring in couple shooters..keep ivan n deshawn) watch n see josh n al love team balll but josh strayed off course due to joe ball hogging …watch Atlanta win 50
truth
July 9th, 2012
3:43 pm
We need to condense the NBA to 16 teams.. There is not enough talent to have 32 teams. Only 4-6 teams have a REAL shot to win a championship.
The NBA is the least balanced sport in America.
hmmmm.........
July 9th, 2012
3:45 pm
I like Camby has well. I think the Hawks cab afford him. I heard he’s looking for 3mill. Also i wouldnt mind the Hawks looking at Greg Oden i know he’s only played 82 games in 5 years but he’s still talented and maybe able to come off the bench and come cheap
DWIGHT HOWARD TO HAWKS
July 9th, 2012
3:46 pm
Well its official……we suck again
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
3:48 pm
I watched d12 get handled by Atlanta btw maybe the reason he won’t bow Down n come home lol…????!!???
WalterEgo
July 9th, 2012
3:50 pm
I don’t get the “send Horford but not Horford/Teague/1st for Howard” crowd. We can get 1st rd talent and Teague-level talent just about anytime. Get you a superstar and work out the rest.
truth
July 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
Ferry got rid of all these contracts and glad he did
But once we have 40+ million in Cap, who do we sign? Looks like Ferry will replace joe Johnson with over paid no names if none of the superstars come here
Were dead
July 9th, 2012
3:52 pm
We cant build around guys like Horford or Teague…..They’re good players,but not the type you build around…
Were dead
July 9th, 2012
3:55 pm
Damn i would love to see this lineup :/
1.Harris
2.Jenkns
3.Smith
4.I.Johnson
5.Howard
IVAN JOHNSON CAN BE BETTER THAN HORFORD
Keeping it real
July 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
Here’s reality:
1.) Cap space means nothing unless its used properly. Its an opportunity, but does not guarantee anything except at the current time, the team is underspending on contracts.
2.) NBA teams that have won championships in the last ~30 years have relied heavily on the draft for their cornerstone player(s). Bird, Magic, Jordan, Pippen, Robinson, Duncan, Hakeem, Wade, Kobe and Dirk on draft day trades. A combination of having the right draft slot/being bad at the right time, recognizing special talent, and luck of the lottery system gives you the chance at generational players.
3.) Pairing those cornerstone players with at least one more star through trades or free agency builds a champion. Parrish, Abdul-Jabbar, Shaq, LeBron, etc. Getting those players is more of a function of organizational strength, market attractiveness and size and financial and trade resources.
4.) Joe Johnson is an excellent player. He is simply overpaid compared to the rest of the highest paid NBA players, so he’s eating valuable cap-space. A telling fact is that Johnson has not been on the USA National team for the last 2 Olympics or 2010 World Championship teams. Think about that in relation to his contract which calls for ~$25M in 2016 compared to the players on those rosters.
5.) As 2013 will be a transitional year, the Hawks best chance at building a champion may be in the 2014 draft with lining up as many lottery picks with the goal of getting a player like Jabari Parker and then pairing him with another young star via trade or free agency. If the Hawks can get Parker, a star guard, plus Horford or Smith will still be young enough in 2 years to have a runway in pursuit of a championship over the following 3+ years.
6.) Larger or more attractive market teams like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston and Miami will always have an advantage. San Antonio and OKC are the exceptions and each built through the draft with more than one cornerstone player then keeping them.
Atlanta, given its cloudy organizational past, lack of financial resources and no current cornerstone player to build around must recognize this and strategically look at identifying that generational talent and then loading the deck in its favor for the draft, or we’ll constantly be looking up at these franchises ahead of us in the standings in perpetuity.
Kenny D
July 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
Not a snowball chance in this HOT Weather…….. Dwight Howard playing in a Hawks Uniform ! The Joke of the Day………
Joe
July 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
In Ferry we trust
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
so u don’t Think Anthony morrow can score or defend?
Were dead
July 9th, 2012
3:57 pm
Ohhh hahahahaha Adrian Wojnarowski wrote that article. HE IS FULL OF BS!! He is a laker fan!! DONT TRUST HIM!!!
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
3:59 pm
al horford n ivan Johnson are Two diff. types players as well as the rest of the NEW hawks which make it beautiful n chemical balanced
PureEvil
July 9th, 2012
4:02 pm
Who blames Dwight for not wanting to play in ATL?
I love the Hawks and will still suport them even when were a lottery team, but I can’t blame players for not wanting to play here!!
Were dead
July 9th, 2012
4:03 pm
We are Undersized in so many ways! Horford is a PF NOT A CENTER!!
gLENN
July 9th, 2012
4:03 pm
@ Were dead
The Lakers were out of the running once Andrew Bynum said he would test free agency instead of sign long term with the Magic . They just have to get what they can from Brooklyn . Thats alot of players & picks to just be shooting from the hip .
Were dead
July 9th, 2012
4:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KlEK3yUyp4
Were dead
July 9th, 2012
4:06 pm
@gLENN I know thats why all these articles are BS! The Hawks ARE IN the running for Howard. They can put up a MUCH better deal than the nets and who knows whats going through an NBA players head. Howard said he would consider signing with another team besides Brooklyn if traded
Reality Check
July 9th, 2012
4:11 pm
All of this denial sounds exactly like little kids putting their fingers in their ears, and saying “lalalala, I can’t hear you!” LMFAO.
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
4:11 pm
ivan Johnson is a 6-8 sf who handled c.bosh like a b%%&&& I was there watching u know horford can handle bosh also sooo they’re the ring bearers so at that rate josh can handle. bron ..and small ball is in now People
vava74
July 9th, 2012
4:12 pm
Mark my words:
the CAVS are playing ball to prevent a string of championships by Lebron…
gLENN
July 9th, 2012
4:14 pm
No Dwight didn’t . Thats the thing . He said he would only sign long term with the Net . Will Bynum do that next ? If Cleveland can get an agreement from Humphries the trade will go through unless Stern ” Chris Pauls ” it . Brooks for a one pick is a given .
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
4:17 pm
i ain’t see. d12 do much other than dunk in past years…..hmmm
BC
July 9th, 2012
4:18 pm
Now that Kirk Hinrich has signed to play with the Bulls, I wonder if our back court is set. We still need that wing man.
GoldDawg
July 9th, 2012
4:18 pm
ESPN is reporting that the Nets-Magic deal has hit another snag. 4th team is now needed to complete the deal. Also, Humphries wants a larger contract than the Cavs can offer.
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
4:20 pm
kirk hasn’t been kirk since celts bulls series wit all the overtime
GoldDawg
July 9th, 2012
4:22 pm
Looks like they found the 4th team already. Clippers take Marshon Brooks and give back protected lottery pick
HAWKSORDIE
July 9th, 2012
4:24 pm
wow clippers get another nick young ( marshon brooks) ???
Ackshun
July 9th, 2012
4:24 pm
The Hawks need to play moneyball next year and build a good foundation. Add a couple of superstars in free agency and see if we can’t get out from under the nique jinx.
Billy
July 9th, 2012
4:26 pm
I would trade Howard to whoever makes me the best offer. I wouldn’t let one player my organization hostage like Howard is doing!
Melvin
July 9th, 2012
4:27 pm
Look like the Clipppers will be the 4th team to help facilitate the Howard trade. I guess they wanted to keep Howard in the East….lol
I still say the Cavs are stupid for being a part of this trade.
GoldDawg
July 9th, 2012
4:29 pm
Bye Bye Josh Smith!
GoldDawg
July 9th, 2012
4:30 pm
Teague/Harris/Smith/Horford/ZaZa = 7th seed in the East – Go Hawks!
SuckerFree
July 9th, 2012
4:30 pm
I’d take a chance just like the Nets did with Deron Williams.
But we can’t this year because most of the good free agents are RFA or still on the rookie contracts which means the team still has the option (and they 99% of the time exercise that option).
So in a sense…the Joe Johnson contract still has us stuck but it gives us a CHANCE to resign Josh Smith.
Looking at the Free Agents next year….it’s CP3, Josh Smith, Monta Ellis, Bynum, Howard and Andre Iguodala as headliners. RFA’s teams usually match if it’s a good player….so Tyreke Evans, Cousins, Harden, DeRozan, Greg Monroe, Blake Griffin, Brandon Jennings….I don’t expect them to switch teams outright.
I’d say roll the dice this year. Pick up Anthony Randolph and Rashard Lewis. Slide Josh Smith to the 3 (and let him take more shots), Randolph to the 4 and Horford at the 5.
If the team is trash, high lottery pick. No financial obligation to Josh Smith and tons of cap space to try and backload a deal with one of the RFAs next year so a team won’t match. Use Horford and Teague as trade chips. Build thru the draft and get rid of Larry Drew since he’s in the last year of his contract anyway.
Brand new start, no hesitation rebuild mode.
BravesFan79
July 9th, 2012
4:32 pm
Were dead: Probably the dumbest comment ive ever seen on this board. First you place Jenkins (a rookie with no experience), over Morrow (one of the top shooters in the league, who scored 42 last year with 8 3’s against the T-Wolves last season). And then you say Ivan can be better than Horford!?? Have you seen Ivans jump shot? Ive can get rebounds and hit layups. Thats about it.
Astro Joe
July 9th, 2012
4:38 pm
Here’s what you do with cap space next summer. Let’s say that you discover that the Clippers have 2 PGs better than Teague. You trade for using draft picks (we’ll have at least 2) and cap space. Or, let’s say that Rondo is running off some other Celtics and they decide to cut ties with him… you have cap space to make that deal. Bynum is a UFA next summer, you could offer him a max 4year deal. Think Al Jefferson would help at a reasonable contract, go get him. Want to bring in Derrick Favors, offer him a nice contract as a RFA and hope for the best. Nothing guaranteed, but since many complain about not reading any news about possible Hawks transactions during the off-season, have $40M in cap space and read until the wee hours of the morning.
Many bloggers wanted Joe’s dealt to create “financial flexibility”. Well, we’ll have that in spades next summer. So there you have it… we traded a highly productive player (albeit with an awful contract) for a guy name Cap Space. Cap Space (hopefully) will be with the Hawks for one year until we trade him for some productive players who can get us back on track.
Fundamentals
July 9th, 2012
4:38 pm
Definite downer to miss out on Brooks. He’s he young talented wing that would’ve helped solidify this roster. Now we need a SF, combo guard and a C prospect to balance our roster barring any more buyouts.
Josh has his chance to prove his value. I don’t see us sliding out of the playoffs with he and Teague playing for their next and potentially last big contract. Horford also needs to prove he can return to form or he’s inked his last big time deal. The guys have plenty to play for. I see us competing well, given a few more roster slots filled.
Danny has time before the season starts and Feb might just be a bit more active than we remember as teams look to trade for expiring contracts, which we now have a ton of for the cap space we have to offer.
Solid, rising, young talent. That’s what we need here. Randolph sounds like a good gamble.
To me Dwight would’ve been the end of our franchise when he and Josh bolted after a season of stress and more unmagical moments like the Magic endured last year. No thanks for me personally.
Buddy G
July 9th, 2012
4:39 pm
Want to know why the Celtics are in the lead to land Courtney Lee in a sign and trade? Because players want to play for Doc Rivers:
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21212646/lee-more-eight-teams-pursuit
Brian Shaw is the closest thing to a “next Doc Rivers” the league may see for a while. Go get him, Ferry.
Rod from College Park
July 9th, 2012
4:40 pm
If they thought the stands were empty last year, wait till they see them this year. This is also the problem Mr. Ferry has. No one is going to pay to see this team as constructed in Atlanta. Get past this Dwight thing and make some moves Mr. Ferry. Dwight nor CP3 is signing with us next year, no matter how much cap room we have. Make some moves. Should have made sure we got Marshawn Brooks.
BravesFan79
July 9th, 2012
4:40 pm
Genius…. lets just get rid of everyone, start over in the draft… and we will be a title contender in the next 5 years! LOL…. right… then why arent the Bobcats or Wizards contenders by now? And Dallas looks to be pretty bad for the next 10 years after their failure of loosing everyone to create “cap room”. What a shame, Dirk should be in his prime/golden years on a championship contender, instead they look like a lotto team on paper now. If Dallas cant lure top name free agents with their steady ownership and there superior facilities, wtf makes you think there coming to Atlanta as free agents?
Buddy Grizzard
July 9th, 2012
4:43 pm
Sully and PJ3 had big debuts in summer league. Utah picks from last year Kanter and Burks are being outshined by this year’s rookies. One writer said Fab Melo is already a better NBA player than Kanter. Hope Jenkins shows something on Friday.
Fundamentals
July 9th, 2012
4:45 pm
Morrow will draw some Tech supporters to watch the Hawks. He’ll do well in our offense, question is his defensive intensity. Lou Williams and Brooks were also good local products to help build on the young, rising LOCAL talent that might just be something to market. We truly would have ATLANTA HAWKS with 4-5 local guys heading up our team.
This team proved well last season it could win without Joe or Horford. They also proved they didn’t have the chemistry to put it all together when it counted repeatedly. We need a team that gels on the court as a TEAM, not as friends who have grown to like each other because they’ve grown up together.
BravesFan79
July 9th, 2012
4:46 pm
I could really see Doc as Atlantas head coach in a few years, but not until Garnett retires. We need to build around Teague, Horford, Smith, and Morrow. Maybe we could land someone like Dirk thru a trade for draft picks. A shot blocking center like Chandler wouldnt hurt either.
Hawk Realist
July 9th, 2012
4:51 pm
The problem with the NBA is they cannot develop talent. Bad teams continue to blow the draft. Young players coming with a certain skill set and many never improve beyond that. Coaching young players is a skill that many coaches do not have. Doc Rivers is great with young and veteran players.
I still believe Joe Johnson and his ball hawking and the lack of coaching/leadership lead to Marvin Williams not developing. How can you when the coaches reinforce you are the fourth option. Marvin can handle the ball with either hand. Mark Price helped improved his jump shot. He can defend. He needed to finish better at the rim (dunk the ball). Mainly he’s a head case. Unless you believe you in yourself no one else will. I blame the coaches for not developing him mentally.
Also I believe Josh Smith would be further along if J.J. wasn’t allowed to dominate the offense. Al, Josh, Marvin and Jeff deferred to him for far too long.
BravesFan79
July 9th, 2012
4:52 pm
Astro Joe: good point in bringing up D Favors. Dude was a beast on defense for Utah last year. And i bet hed be happy to sign a contract to come back to his home town. Favors, Kayman, Chandler. All players id rather have than overpaying for Howard.
Ra'mon
July 9th, 2012
4:53 pm
Buddy, is that the same Kanter that half of the blog wanted to trade Josh for?
anonymous
July 9th, 2012
4:54 pm
Should we roll the dice and give up a 2014 first and get Marshon Brooks from the Nets to give the Magic so we can get a good, young wingman out of Stone Mountain, GA? Push comes to shove we have two firsts next year due to the Nets being able to finish out of the lottery. I just think thats something we should consider, a goood young SG on the block for practically a #20 plus first round pick in 2014 is a steal in my eyes
KevinM
July 9th, 2012
4:56 pm
The Clippers continue to load their roster with experienced guards. Their scrimmages will be quite competitive if they keep these guards.
We should have been able to get Brooks, but Stevenson ends up being the longest contract in the guys coming here (3).
Danny sure has some work to do and should be quite busy trying to either stay competitive or picking up draft picks.
We only need a 1 or 2 more good draft picks Danny; Al and Josh should be able to help you there.
Fundamentals
July 9th, 2012
4:56 pm
That’s the chemistry I speak of Hawk Realist. We’ve squandered some pretty good talent catering to Joe being our big time leader. A good coach would maximize the talents and skills of every player from top to bottom. This year was case in point where Boston’s scrub role players taught us a lesson repeatedly, while giving KG & Pierce valuable rest. At the same time our scrubs watched and complained as our starters ran completely out of gas.
I do hope Marvin does something in Utah. He hasn’t shown the heart to do it here, but what honestly was his incentive? He was constantly told to play defense and wait for his shots as the 6th option. A good offense should keep everyone hungry for opportunities. Joe pounding the ball and Smoove selfishly chucking bricks doesn’t accomplish much for the TEAM. That’s Danny’s problem moving forward. Establishing a TEAM culture focussed on WINNING, not personal stats for the “Captains”.
Rod from College Park
July 9th, 2012
5:02 pm
“I still believe Joe Johnson and his ball hawking and the lack of coaching/leadership lead to Marvin Williams not developing. How can you when the coaches reinforce you are the fourth option. Marvin can handle the ball with either hand. Mark Price helped improved his jump shot. He can defend. He needed to finish better at the rim (dunk the ball). Mainly he’s a head case. Unless you believe you in yourself no one else will. I blame the coaches for not developing him mentally.”
Dude blame Marvin for Marvin. Nobodys fault but his. He will be out of the league after this contract. By the way, he can no handle the ball with both hands, and he can’t stay on his feet.
Rod from College Park
July 9th, 2012
5:03 pm
“not”
Go Figure
July 9th, 2012
5:07 pm
Is there really any point in posting another (and another, and another…) article about an Atlanta sports franchise’s inability to secure top talent, while remaining committed to building around a core of solid-if-unremarkable-players? Just reprint any article about a quiet Braves offseason, or the Falcons missing out on a big name, or change the details of every Hawks offseason article ever written. Then title it “No S#!%”
Ra'mon
July 9th, 2012
5:09 pm
How can anyone blame Joe Johnson for Marvin having problems standing up and dribbling? The dude is a wing player who can’t dribble at full speed. He has no first or second step. And I’ve seen him get hung on the rim countless times. Its sad when your own team is SURPRISED when you produce marginal numbers. Marvin is the only starter who if they had 14 points, the commentator would say ‘Good game from Marvin’. Good game? 14 points? And then Pinky and the Braid Sund goes and give Marvin a contract that C. Butler (a former all star) would be jealous of. Its taken Minnesota two years to give up on Derrick Williams. It took the Hawks 2 contracts.
vava74
July 9th, 2012
5:19 pm
AJ,
Great posts. Honestly.
Blogger of week, IMO.
Funny, incisive, always sharp…
But I have one doubt, Cap Space isn’t another tweener or is he?
Because if he is, I’m done with team!! -D
vava74
July 9th, 2012
5:20 pm
Forgot my eyes!! B-D
A Pimp Named Slickback!
July 9th, 2012
5:26 pm
Man stop complaining, sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward, this blog is an example of why D12 or any superstar won’t come play for the Hawks.
Columbus
July 9th, 2012
5:32 pm
Horford might could take over a game if he was in his natural position AND had a good center and supporting cast. Horford is legit enough for me. I have seen him do it. You dont have to take over games to be an all-star. You have to be very good at your position and contribute to the team scoring, defending, rebounding, assists and winning and/or making OTHERS successfull. You dont have to dominate to be an allstar. You can do one or 10 things well and NOT take over a game just contribute significantly and above most others at your position. Watch Horford in his NATURAL position with players AROUND him…Hes an allstar and NOT EVEN IN HIS NATURAL POSITION ! Who you going to get to replace him? He can play CENTER and forward IF NEEDED AND PLAY THEM WELL
Jay Dubu
July 9th, 2012
5:42 pm
Josh will be looking for the samething that Josh is looking for this season. He wants a sign and trade, so that he can get max dollars (JJ), and Orlando id the only team he can get it from.
Next year, Josh will be looking for max dollars, and the Hawks will be the only place he can get that. So, if Josh leaves the Hawks, it’ll be a sign and trade.
LeBron left Cleveland without getting the max deal. Not a lot of “superstar” players are going to do that.
Gwinnett Fred
July 9th, 2012
5:42 pm
Since when was it even possible Howard was coming? He has gone on record numerous times saying he doesn’t want to come “home” and just because Atlanta is his “home” doesn’t mean he would want to play here.
This is a total non story. limp thru the upcoming season and then see who’s available. We aren’t good enough (yet) to rent a $20 million player anyway, much less give up something in trade so we can make it to the 2nd round and bail again and then have nothing to show for it!
Jay Dubu
July 9th, 2012
5:43 pm
correction – Josh will be looking for the samething that Howard…
Rod from College Park
July 9th, 2012
5:45 pm
“Hes an allstar and NOT EVEN IN HIS NATURAL POSITION ! Who you going to get to replace him? He can play CENTER and forward IF NEEDED AND PLAY THEM WELL”
Your post should read he is an all star because he is not at his natural position. He would have no chance being an all star playing the 4. He was an all star because he was listed as a center.
The Truth
July 9th, 2012
5:49 pm
Chad Ford: “Proposed deal (cont’d): Magic picks would be: two 1st rd picks from Nets & a lottery protected 1st from the Clippers” – Twitter
Chad Ford: Proposed deal (cont’d): “The Clippers would receive MarShon Brooks”
Dumb trade: Why would Orlando pass up a sure thing with MarShon Brooks for a questionable lottery protected pick?
Orlando new GM suppose to be an upgrade? Sund wouldn’t be that stupid.
It’s clear that Orlando wants to stank-up this upcoming season so bad to ensure lottery statue and nothing more.
What I don’t understand
Sautee
July 9th, 2012
5:49 pm
“He would have no chance being an all star playing the 4. He was an all star because he was listed as a center.” Rod from CP
Co-sign Rod. He’s maybe the 10th best pf in the East. Until he starts playing like he used to, that’s where I’d rate him as a pf. At center there’s just so little competition.
Ken Strickland
July 9th, 2012
5:53 pm
Some of you are nothing more than NEGATIVE MINDED MORONS. You whinned, bitched and complained all yr long about JJs contract and Marvin not producing or living up to his draft position and contract. All you clowns talked about is getting rid of JJ, Marvin, and their contracts.
Well, now Ferry has done just that, and you same fools are now whinning, bitching and complaining about the possibility of the team not being good enough to make the playoffs or have a winning season, like you were too doggone stupid to realize that possibility. Too me, having 2 starting caliber PGs(Teague/Harris), a backup OC(Petro) that’s more productive and athletic than Dampier and Collins combined, along with a DEF stopper in DStevenson, quality jumpshooters SF(AMorrow & SG Jenkins), and a PF(Williams) with size and rebounding ability, to go with Zaza, IJohnson, Scott and Jenkins, could end up making us a better team. We might end up signing Randolph as well.
The key is, will LD got with the vet(Harris) rather than trusting, starting, and developing the rookie(Jenkins). Will he go with Morrow at SF, or play Josh and start Zaza?
The Truth
July 9th, 2012
5:54 pm
“lottery status”
Rev in Tampa
July 9th, 2012
5:55 pm
@Rod from CP – “Your post should read he is an all star because he is not at his natural position. He would have no chance being an all star playing the 4. He was an all star because he was listed as a center.”
Thank you for saying that. I completely agree. Copy it so that you can paste it every time that inane argument starts regarding Al moving to PF.
Michael Cunningham
July 9th, 2012
5:56 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.
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