Atlanta Hawks: Wings are the thing
The Hawks are interested in free agent forward Anthony Randolph, as reported today by Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports. The Hawks also remain in contact with the Magic about trade possibilities for Dwight Howard.
But the more pressing concern for the Hawks is signing a small forward after they agreed to trade away Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson.
“We have to look at the wing area to bring somebody in that can help us,” Drew said. “With having the six spots filled [including] the two draft picks on the roster, solidifying on the wing becomes more of a priority than a ‘big.’ We could add another big but, right now, certainly the priority is strengthening the wing area and then possibly adding another big.”
As things stand now, Atlanta’s options include playing one of Josh Smith, Anthony Morrow or DeShawn Stevenson at small forward. Smith was able to play the wing effectively in certain matchups last season but neither he nor Morrow or Stevenson is a natural for the position.
The Hawks are interested in Rashard Lewis and Courtney Lee. They’ve also reportedly inquired about O.J. Mayo.
Other free-agent wings still on the board include Matt Barnes, Grant Hill, Carlos Delfino, Antawn Jamison, Mickael Pietrus, C.J. Miles and Tracy McGrady.
The Hawks can offer a contract that starts as high as the non-taxpayer mid-level exception maximum of $5 million. It appears that the first wave of free-agent signings isn’t quite over as players look for money and/or contending teams to join. The Hawks could still be a pretty good team next season but clearly no longer are as attractive to free agents as they were last season, when they could sell the possibility of a strong postseason run.
With that in mind, expect the Hawks to zero in on free agents to sign once the market settles.
“There’s been some surprising things that have happened with free agents,” Drew said. “Our stand is just to continue to look at possibilities that can help our ball club. There are still some interesting names out there. We’ve had contact with a number of free agents and we want to bring in guys that can play right away, whether they start or come off the bench.”
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i_am_soulstar
July 8th, 2012
10:03 pm
Hawks would do well to get Courtney Lee. I don’t think he’s better than O.J. Mayo, but I think he’s a better fit for what the Hawks are doing now and what Danny Ferry’s looking for.
Too bad we’re not making a play for Camby.
I do like hearing the Hickson rumors though. The kid can definitely play center.
BIG DOG
July 8th, 2012
10:03 pm
The more i look at it would be very difficult to sign CP3 and D12.
I would be happy with only D12 and Josh being sign in 2013.
D12 4 years 80mill
Josh 5 years 75mill
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
July 8th, 2012
10:06 pm
2013 Atlanta Hawks
Teague, Gerald, Josh, Horford, D12
This Front court would be the best defensive team in the NBA.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Big Ray
July 8th, 2012
10:14 pm
Judging strictly from players’ body language[s] and my personal opinion, I felt the players that were “jealous” of Jamal Crawford in Portland included [most definitely] Raymond Felton, Wesley Matthews, Jr., and, to some extent, Nicolas Batum.
Really? I’ll be honest – I didn’t follow the Blazers closely enough to see how everybody was reacting there. The Blazers were a hot mess after getting rid of a pretty good GM, having a franchise level Center never develop for them, and losing a guy whom we could have paired with Joe Johnson (Brandon Roy) instead of drafting Sheldon Williams.
My guess on Raymond Felton is he has been sore since the day the Nuggets let him get loose, would rather play in NY anyway, and is just unhappy all the way around. But Batum? I’m confused…they don’t even play the same position or have anywhere near the same kind of game. Still….Portland has been a mess, so anything’s possible.
In Atlanta, I thought Crawford experienced some jealousy [especially in Crawford's first with the Hawks] from Joe Johnson, Mike Bibby and Josh Smith and later Jeff Teague [in Crawford's second year with the Hawks]. In New York, there was definitely some “friction” between Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford. Again, I am forming my opinion[s] based on players’ body language[s], facial expressions and player interaction/communication.
1) I can see Zach Randolph. Dude used to have his own issues anway, though he seems to be flourishing in Memphis.
2) In the ATL, I remember so many blogs, post game quotes, and articles where guys raved about Jamal, and often talked about how much they needed him, and needed him to score a lot. Hell, I felt like they leaned on him TOO Much (like they did Joe), as did the coaching staff. That said, if Teague was jealous, I could see it, but he’d have to be jealous of anybody playing in the backcourt, because all of them got to play ahead of them, despite none of them being a pg (and Bibby being a shell of one).
Seems you are quite the Jamal Crawford fan. Nothing wrong with that, but I find it odd that you see where folks have had jeaousy issues with him at nearly every stop (Chicago is the only team you failed to mention, along with Golden State). Crawford’s never been anything but a model citizen and teammate from what those around the League say. I’m not sure he’s been victimized by teammates so much as he has been by coaching staffs. None was worse than Donnie Nelson Sr. in Golden State. Jamal was done about as wrong as you could be over there…
Sameba
July 8th, 2012
10:16 pm
So Dominican team lost to a good team of Nigeria, and Horford did almost nothing to help his team out. His game was a complete disappointment for me. Is seems he has not recovered from his injury yet…
Big Ray
July 8th, 2012
10:17 pm
Meanwhile, all the twitter stuff on Hoopshype keeps saying the same thing over and over….we are one of 4 teams that are still in “serious” discussions with the Magic on Dwight Howard. WTF-ever. Barring some crazy snag (and yeah, that’s very much possible) it’ll probably all be over soon…
BIG DOG
July 8th, 2012
10:17 pm
Atlanta have showed D12 more luv than any other city, why is that ?
If D12 come to the Hawks man he would change the culture of this organization and all so be the biggest superstar here since MV7.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
brigadierjerry
July 8th, 2012
10:20 pm
Orlando would make a suicide if they trade the Best Center in the league for the softest and the most injured Center in the league… Brook Lopez = Arvidas Sabonis/Zydrunas Ilgauskas second coming..
What I dont get about this Howard trade is, Orl almost feels obligated to trade to Nets bc thats the only team he wants to go to. But the Nets have 50+ million committed to 4 players this year and beyond with a roster they still have to fill out and the salary cap is only 58 million.
Even if Howard doesnt want to sign extension with the team he’s traded too, he CANT go to the Nets unless he takes the midlevel exception. So I dont understand why other teams are not putting up better offers than the Nets package which is very average for a top 5 player.
Also if Howard goes to the Nets they have a good starting five but will have absolutely no depth.
I do think Ferry has backup plans if Howard doesnt happen. He is signed to 6 years. I also think that depending on a few minor moves here and there if Larry Drew doesnt make the playoffs or if he gets off to a slow start he will be fired or his contract will not be renewed. Hawks will be focusing on cheap contracts for this year to keep their cap space. Depending on what happens this year Smith may be inclined to reup with the Hawks. I will be very interested to see how this coming season Hawks team is played out.
Big Ray
July 8th, 2012
10:22 pm
Hard to say on the Al Horford situation….his bad play in the Olympic qualifiers could be an indication that he’s not fully recovered from injury…and I would not be surprised. Yet how does that compare to his body of work in the playoffs? Not that it was such good work….nor was it atrocious.
But how he performs with the DR team in international play might be a bit hard to translate to how he’d fare right now in the NBA.
Either way, if he’s still on the roster come training camp, he should be fully recovered by then. We shall see. I just don’t know that we should read much into his current performance.
Big Ray
July 8th, 2012
10:35 pm
There are some serious implications (that could turn out positive or negative, from a results standpoint) with the team staying as is, with no Dwight Howard in the ATL:
1) Josh Smith couldn’t ask for a better opportunity to be “top dog” on this team, have the offense run through him, and become an all-star. Joe’s not around to dominate the ball and take the most shots.
2) Larry Drew no longer has the ball-dominating Joe Johnson. No more pound the rock, no more ISO. Drew supposedly got the job because he had a super duper uber offensive scheme that featured EVERYBODY being on the attack, and lots of ball movement. Nobody left on this squad has Joe’s ability to create his own offense from the half court line on in to the basket…at a consistently high level. So more ball movement MUST happen now. LD can prove he has that offensive miracle scheme and that he can get guys to buy into it. Or he can’t. Guess which way I’m leaning? If he can’t, the Hawks will be AWFUL.
3) Horford gets almost as much of a chance to step up as Josh will. His game is different, but the need for impact will be close to the same. Horford either expands his game, or the Hawks suffer from the lack thereof. The reason why the Hawks survived the absence of Horford was because though he had provided a pretty decent 15 and 9 the prior season, he was only putting up 12 and 7 this past season prior to injury. It’s not the same as replacing 18-19 ppg, 3.5 apg, and 3.5 rpg…along with an ability to command double teams.
So the three remaining starters will have ample opportunity to put up or shut up. Their talents and games are different, and different things will be expected/needed from them…..but rest assured….put up or shut up time, all three will have to raise their games.
Buddy Grizzard
July 8th, 2012
10:42 pm
High-Sider you sure that was “jealousy” directed at JC1 and not resentment over having to pick up his defensive slack?
Buddy Grizzard
July 8th, 2012
10:43 pm
I mean talk about valet parking. I remember one time JC1 was “guarding” Jameer in the playoffs and he literally got out of his way so he could drive right down the middle of the lane.
BIG DOG
July 8th, 2012
10:56 pm
This Year Hawks team could finish in top 4
Teague, Gerald, Josh, Horford, Zaza
Devin, Jenkins, Morrow, Ivan, Collins.
Farmer, Scott, Petro
This is a good quality team.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
brigadierjerry
July 8th, 2012
10:58 pm
Hi-Sider,
I have never heard that Raymond Felton was jealous of Jamal Crawford but did you remember this article?
Things have been bad in Portland: the Blazers currently sit in the Northwest Division basement and are arguably the NBA’s biggest underachievers. Coach Nate McMillan is reportedly on the hot seat, the mish-mashed roster never jelled and the effort has been spotty all season long. It’s been bad. But this bad?
ESPN.com reports that new guards Raymond Felton and Jamal Crawford have allegedly turned the team against McMillan.
Let’s just put this way. Either the Blazers find a new home for Raymond Felton and Jamal Crawford (who have quietly orchestrated a mutiny ever since Nate McMillan chewed them out in a video session a while back) or they’ll probably have to let Nate go. If I’m a Blazer fan … I’d rather lose Felton and Crawford. They won’t get a lot for either guy, but there is such a thing as addition by subtraction.
Both Felton and Crawford have been persistently floated in trade rumors over the last few weeks.
Hours after the report hit on Wednesday morning, Crawford disputed the account in comments made to The Oregonian.
“Check my quotes since I’ve been here. Never thrown anyone under the bus– coach or teammate! …I pride myself on being a pro and doing whatever is asked…I don’t even have enough juice to say that I want to play the position I signed up for (shooting guard).”
That last part is undeniably true. Crawford has been played out of position all season long, and it’s gotten worse lately, when McMillan moved Nicolas Batum to the starting two guard position, forcing Crawford to compete with former starter Wesley Matthews for minutes. Given that squeeze, Crawford saw some brief time as the starting point guard while also backing up Felton on a regular basis. Either way, that’s not what he signed up for when he signed as a free agent in December.
Felton, meanwhile, has publicly expressed frustration with McMillan, his role, his quality of play and has admitted that he didn’t enter the season in game shape because of the lockout.
The biggest question now: Will either player survive the trade deadline and remain in a Blazers uniform
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/17795774/report-raymond-felton-jamal-crawford-lead-mutiny-against-blazers-coach
JustSayinB
July 8th, 2012
11:00 pm
No serious talk will develop about this Hawks team, except that Larry Drew takes a hike, period. Are you kidding me? The only reason why Joe Johnson was ball dominating was that Larry Drew didn’t have the offensive plays that a good coach would have in order to move the ball. Larry Drew is just as much to blame as everyone seems to be blaming Joe and Marvin. A good coach, as sorry as Marvin played and as lackluster as Joe sometimes played, would have put both of these players in a good position to be successful. Some of you may not remember, but it was Larry Drew who had drawn up a play for Al Horford when he got seriously injured a couple of years ago, when he basically told Al to run straight to the basket and finish. That was the play that won the game, but at a cost of your center/forward. Blake Griffen was at the rim to meet Al in the air and Al got slammed hard by Blake and fell to the floor clutching his shoulders/chest. Al made the free throws with 0:00 seconds left and won the game. Al is a good finisher, but that play IMO, changed AL’s outlook on being the gritty finisher and defensive player that he could’ve been. I hope Al gets back to what he once was. But as I said earlier, no one is going to take this Hawks team, inspite of Danny Ferry, seriously-until Danny finds and retains a top NBA coach to bring all of the Hawks new elements cohesively together. The players didn’t respect Larry Drew. Certainly, not Josh! Everyone talking about Josh-as if Josh will want to be on a team that has a new mixture of players on board that will instantly contend in the eastern conference. The Hawks may not make the playoffs or may even struggle to be a 500 team this season. They have no identity and are in transition. They need a #1 pick that they will use next year. But in the meantime, the identity this team needs starts with a head coach-and HIS philosophy first and foremost.
Grandad
July 8th, 2012
11:01 pm
Apologies if this has already been reported:
Steven Kyler … Hoops World
reporting the Hawks have only offered ” the luggage ”
from the Joe Johnson trade for D.Howard.
Hwks have not offered Al and / or Teague.
brigadierjerry
July 8th, 2012
11:02 pm
Big Dog,
Who are the other teams other than Miami that would be better than the Hawks if you said they are top 4 team with that lineup?
Also, Farmer is being bought out and working a deal to play in Turkey
brigadierjerry
July 8th, 2012
11:09 pm
Grandad,
Do you think the Hawks get Dhoward this year?
Also I agree with your statements regarding Howard as I have stated my opinions about him and I thought the same thing that Josh seems more mature than Smith.
Also i posted earlier today if Hawks dont get Howard I am sure ferry has a backup plan.
The one thing I worry though is Larry Drew as far as his offensive sets and execution. It seem he got a little better this past season but I do not like his in game substitutions and in game adjustments. I am looking forward to the Summer league which starts this week i believe Will be taping a lot of games and analyzing the Hawks draftees
Laimbeer sucks!
July 8th, 2012
11:14 pm
Isn’t Jackie Moon an UFA?
doc
July 8th, 2012
11:27 pm
Brig not sure
Do you realize mcmillan was fired half way through the season? Couldnt tell from your post.
On that note both mcmillan and d’antoni are coaches of our usa olympic squad, go figure.
BIG DOG
July 8th, 2012
11:29 pm
1. Heat, Lebron the rest is history.
2. Celtics, Jason Terry will make a big difference on this team.
3. Nets, My opinion even with out D12 could win this Div.
4. Hawks, Only if they sign Gerald Green would be the finish puzzle.
5. Pacers, Coin toss could finish as high as 2.
6. Sixers, Still a good young team with a solid coach.
7. Bulls, Rose could be out 3/4 of the season
8. Knicks, This would be hire i just don’t trust Woody.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Najeh Davenpoop
July 8th, 2012
11:32 pm
SuckerFree beat me to it, but anyone expecting Petro to contribute anything positive is in for a major disappointment. Ideally he gets bought out. I’d rather bring back Twin than give him minutes.
brigadierjerry
July 8th, 2012
11:33 pm
David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
Agent for Rashard Lewis says “everything went well” w/Heat, but process will continue this week before decision. Hawks, Knicks still in it.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 8th, 2012
11:34 pm
“What I’m trying to say is I’d rather build a team like SAS that will get ish done then build these superstar Big 3 teams.”
The Spurs have at least two if not three future Hall of Famers. They are as much a Big 3 superstar team as anyone. Of course, they are also very fortunate to have found two of their Big 3 outside the lottery and to have one of the greatest coaches of all time.
brigadierjerry
July 8th, 2012
11:43 pm
doc,
yes i know it was in response to hi-sider saying that he thought players on the trailblazers were jealous of jamal crawford which is ludacris
doc,
What do you think is Ferry backup plan if he cannot get Howard to come to Atlanta?
Big Dog,
Hawk are better than the Pacers, Sixers and Knicks if they get Gerald Green?He is a ok player but he isnt a player that is a piece away from making a team from non-playoff team to a 4th seed?
Rod from College Park
July 8th, 2012
11:46 pm
“I mean talk about valet parking. I remember one time JC1 was “guarding” Jameer in the playoffs and he literally got out of his way so he could drive right down the middle of the lane.”
Reminds me of Al Horford in the Milwaukee playoff series when he continuously escorted Brandon Jennings to the rim.
doc
July 8th, 2012
11:49 pm
High sider, not sure about your point on hinrich’s lack of efficient production. If doing apples to apples, you say hinrich should score ten a game on five shots a game, why did jamal do so poorly on 14 shots a game averaging only 18 points a game. Arent you overstating it? If si jamaldoesnt deliver. Hinrich takes the defensive credos over amal every time. So hinrich for 3 mil or crawford for 6 mil it is pretty even if you factor in defense hinrich is the bargain bro. Sorry, your expectations overlaid on crawford’s numbers.’:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3407
His numbers
You dont need to worry about jamal as his gamble to not continue thevtwo yr 5 mil contract in portland got him 6 mil for 3 years so he is still doing well.
He is certainly a better bargain than the ten mill he got here and hirich the better bargain @ 3 mil over the 8 mil we overpaid him in comparison last year.
doc
July 8th, 2012
11:56 pm
Brig my guess is Ferry wasnt going all in on the d12 and he knew that was a long shot maybe because josh trashed us so much even withnthe switch it was hard to change the desire of d12.
I think gets as many players as he can and lets LD sink or swim. Swim and we sign josh at max and see teague has grown up so he gets paid, too. Then you still have bucks to get soe more folks in here. If they sink he trades josh for as much as he can and we go to lottery land in hopes of a real steal in the draft lke d wade was. If ld. Sinks then he brings in a new sgeriff to run the team.
Rod from College Park
July 9th, 2012
12:06 am
All you Jamal haters, Jamal is better than Hinrich. He got a multiyear deal for more money. Get over it. Hinrich sucks. He was a good defender back in the day, but he is only average now. He was known for defense, and as we saw, he is an average defender. Jamal is known for his offense, and is still coveted as an offensive player. Hinrich brought absolutely nothing to the Hawks organization. Jamal brought playoff wins.
mock1
July 9th, 2012
12:09 am
Bring in Pietrus and get a decent center.
Ra'mon
July 9th, 2012
12:17 am
IF Ferry has offered Horford and Teague for Howard. Than I must say the GM for the Magic is an idiot to consider Lopez and Brooks a better package than Horford and Teague. Horford and Teague both have playoff experience, and produce at better clips than either of the Nets pieces. Lopez isn’t even a top 5 center in the East (Howard, Hibbert, Horford, Tyson, Nene)
I know that the report is Horford hasn’t been offered. However, I think at the last second, Ferry will end up trading Horford, Harris, and draft picks for Howard and Richardson. Its hard to believe that Horford hasn’t been offered. I say that because, I can’t see Orlando still keeping the Hawks in negotiations if they weren’t getting Horford back in the deal. I think that would be a very quick conversation that ends with the dial tone.
doc
July 9th, 2012
12:24 am
Rod i hope you arent implying i am a jamal hater for injecting a reaality check in someone who is a hinrich hater’s line of reasoning. If you are you arentbreading. It is absurd to say hinrich on 5 shots a game shouldmget ten points a game is all i am saying. If somjaml failed miserably.
I likedmboth guys especially hinrich before he got hurt and the jamla of 09. Pretty awessome. But again the ality is he deserved more than the basg could pay him because of continued misappropriations of assets. He deserved more than what you would pay formamsack of potatoes which was allmwemcould afford and what we got in green, pargo, twin, tmac stack and vlad last year where the nnba helped us oay for them becausethey were vet minimums.
Again it was in response to someone hating but withiut a reliable argumentmformwhy he evebrought it up. Really inlike both guys,p i called jamal flipmon roids, green was more mini me flip. No hate here justvrespect for both players attested by taj’s comments on what a pro hinrich is and every team needs eem like our stack last year.
i_am_soulstar
July 9th, 2012
12:26 am
Agreed Ra’mon. I called BS the minute I saw that rumor about Horford not being offered. No way they’d still be talking to us.
don c
July 9th, 2012
12:27 am
Al is proven,stable (nba-wise) and very mature for his age. Josh smith still behaves like a teenager, spoiled brat. Know nothing bout commitment. How can he say the franchise isnt committed ( he’s part of the reason why,….playoff basketball…every possession counts. yet how many TOs did he have trying to start the break?)And his boy Dwight ain’t much better. HAWKS, BE PATIENT.EVERYTHING THAT GLITTERS AIN’T GOLD. Besides, I was a big Joe J fan.
SuckerFree
July 9th, 2012
1:01 am
Free Agents to be had; Louis Williams, Anthony Randolph, Rashard Lewis.
First with Harris & Teague….Harris could slide to the 2 guard since he likes to jack it up. Plus it would be similar to that lineup of Teague and Hinrich.
Lou Williams could be the 6th man (what he was born to do and what Atlanta needs)
Anthony Randolph is a versatile forward type and just reminds me of the skinny KG (the lite version of course) but he can play power forward effectively and grab boards, block and alter shots..
Move Smoove to the 3 (where he rightfully belongs)
Rashard Lewis plays the backup 3/4.
I believe those acquistions move the Hawks to at least 4 in the East potentially 2 or 3. We’d have a very small backcourt but once again the Hawks would be a matchup nightmare for opposing teams.
The one player from that group I believe is a MUST is Anthony Randolph.
Teague, Harris, Smith, Randolph, Horford (you’re a center quit b!tch!n)
Lou Williams, Morrow, Lewis, Ivan, Zaza
Scrubs: those other guys from the Nets trade.
High-sider
July 9th, 2012
1:44 am
@Buddy Grizzard
Buddy Grizzard
July 8th, 2012
10:43 pm
I mean talk about valet parking. I remember one time JC1 was “guarding” Jameer in the playoffs and he literally got out of his way so he could drive right down the middle of the lane.
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Are you talking about the playoff series in 2011 when Jamal Crawford averaged 20.5ppg and was a major reason why the Hawks defeated the Magic in the first round 4-2? Or are you talking about the 2010 playoffs in which the Hawks received a monumental thrashing at the hands of the Magic even though Crawford averaged 17ppg in that playoff series debacle. Either way, dude (Crawford) got “his buckets on.” What I mean is that Jamal Crawford still put up quality scoring numbers as reserve (sixth man) against the Magic in the playoffs. You gotta give it to him; Crawford showed up in both playoff series (2010 and 2011) versus the Magic.
Grandad
July 9th, 2012
2:16 am
Brig-Jerry
I do not think Ferry ever intended to go all in for D.Howard.
Therefore, no need for any back-up plan.
None of us can read Mr Ferry`s mind;
but my inclination is that he has a long term plan
that has already been set into motion.
Whether or not that includes Josh has yet to be seen.
Do I think the Hawks will be non-competitive next yr ?
Not in the least.
That would be counterproductive toward building a championship:
culture, mentality, mindset, direction, and attitude, within the organization.
D.ferry will do all that he can, and take every possible step
toward an eventual Championship immediately or sooner.
LD may not be the HC when we start the season.
Do not become captivated with any of the new additions
to the roster;
whether it be from trades or draft picks,
as any or all could just be passing through.
Danny Ferry has a plan.
The D.Howard possibilities passed his way and he`s
doing his due diligence.
It does not mean that he has deviated from his plan.
It`s rather nice to have a plan for a change.
Some have said;
” He is going to adapt the SA Spurs model ”
most likely, yes, and that is a terrific model from which to choose.
I personally would love to see us sign Anthony Randolph;
[only 22 yrs old] with Ferry`s stated desire to emphasize
player development.
My outlook is positive and very, very bright for our Hawks.
High-sider
July 9th, 2012
2:20 am
@doc
“High sider, not sure about your point on hinrich’s lack of efficient production. If doing apples to apples, you say hinrich should score ten a game on five shots a game, why did jamal do so poorly on 14 shots a game averaging only 18 points a game. Arent you overstating it?…” – doc @11:49pm dated 7/8/2012
doc, you actually proved my point. JC1 during the 2009-2010 regular season averaged 18ppg on roughly 14 FGA’s/game. If Hinrich did indeed average 5 FGA’s/game in the 2012 playoffs, I would consider Hinrich’s offensive production as inefficient because he only averaged 5.7ppg. In Crawford’s case, 18ppg on roughly 14 shots/game calculates to 1.286 points per FGA and in Hinrich’s case, 5.7ppg on 5 shots/game calculates to 1.14 points per FGA. In this example, Crawford is the more efficient scorer but the comparison is based on Crawford’s 2009-2010 regular season stats and Hinrich’s 2012 playoff stats. The comparison is skewed and unfair. But you, doc, are the individual who introduced the numbers (stats) for comparison.
The idea I was trying to explain/convey with respect to Hinrich is that if he [Hinrich] was going to play extended minutes for the Hawks in the playoffs and only shoot an average of five shots per game, then he [Hinrich] should make the most of his scoring opportunities. Hinrich didn’t need to play extended minutes for the Hawks and only take three to five shots a game [in the playoffs]. That shows Hinrich is just wasting time [minutes] on the floor/court and is very unproductive. What’s the point of him [Hinrich] being on the court if he’s not going to shoot the ball but, yet, he is considered a good perimeter shooter around the NBA? I’m jus’ sayin’.
High-sider
July 9th, 2012
2:34 am
Rod from College Park
July 9th, 2012
12:06 am
All you Jamal haters, Jamal is better than Hinrich. He got a multiyear deal for more money. Get over it. Hinrich sucks. He was a good defender back in the day, but he is only average now. He was known for defense, and as we saw, he is an average defender. Jamal is known for his offense, and is still coveted as an offensive player. Hinrich brought absolutely nothing to the Hawks organization. Jamal brought playoff wins.
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Co-sign.
Slimjr
July 9th, 2012
2:50 am
That’s too bad Al and his team was sent packing early…
No News there…
LMBO at Vava74, he’s got jokes! Jokes….
High-sider
July 9th, 2012
3:03 am
@brigadierjerry
“doc,
yes i know it was in response to hi-sider saying that he thought players on the trailblazers were jealous of jamal crawford which is ludacris…” – brigadierjerry @11:43pm dated July 8th, 2012
Jamal Crawford, as a Blazers’ player, did have a higher scoring average than Felton, Matthews, Jr., and Batum. Crawford did briefly replace Felton as the Blazers starting point guard during the middle of the season. Crawford was the designated technical foul [free throw] shooter even though W. Matthews, Jr., on several occasions, motioned to Crawford asking him (Crawford) if he (Matthews, Jr.) could shoot some of the technical foul shots while both players were in the game simultaneously. At the beginning of the season, Crawford and Batum came off the bench with both players jockeying for the team’s sixth man role. Later on, Matthews, Jr., was demoted to coming off the bench and then had to compete with Crawford who was also coming off the bench; Jamal Crawford and Wesley Matthews, Jr., are both shooting guards. Even through all of this turmoil, Crawford, as I previously stated, was still able to maintain a higher scoring average than Felton, Matthews, Jr., and Batum. As a result, I don’t think “petty jealousies” are/were outside of the realm of possibility among those Blazers players.
P.S. I did read that particular article you posted above.
vava74
July 9th, 2012
3:44 am
Slimjr,
What jokes man. You are a Knicks’ fan with a mild interest in the Hawks.
That’s it.
Your posts are as valuable to the blog as T-S’ and High-Sider’s (who is a Jamal fan, not a Hawks’ fan).
Just Joe
July 9th, 2012
5:57 am
The winner in the whole Orlando-Brooklyn negotiations looks like Lopez, who appears to be getting a max deal either way. 4 yrs $57M?
Just Joe
July 9th, 2012
6:16 am
I expect one or two more trades from the Hawks before the 11th. Possibilities include:
Dwight, of course.
S&T of Hinrich to the Bulls.
Unloading Harris, who is a capable starting PG in this league. Ferry could wait on him though. A team whose PG gets injured may step up and give a pick and/or a young player for Harris.
Moving some of the Nets’ pieces before they “stick” for two months, or get bought out. Farmar, Morrow, Petro, Stevenson, and Williams.
Josh Smith. If Dwight is moved to Brooklyn and the Lakers are happy with Gasol, who becomes Houston’s new trade target?
brigadierjerry
July 9th, 2012
6:20 am
Grandad,
Agreed. By the way Jenkins reminds me of a Jeff Hornaceck type of player.
vava74
July 9th, 2012
6:41 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ftSBtSLP0&feature=g-vrec
I haven’t watched live action and mix tapes are what they are, but Jenkins is clearly more than a spot/stand still shooter.
He seems to have:
- a very quick release;
- the ability to hit a step back J to get some separation;
- the ability to hit the pull up, going left J (somewhat similar to Sam Cassell);
- the ability to hit the J with zero preparation, sometimes even after a mid air catch.
He is clearly more crafty than, for instance, Korver and Kapono (who are more or less pure standstill shooters) and as someone mentioned around here, he seems to project well as a Dell Curry type of player, which would be great for us.
Ken Strickland
July 9th, 2012
8:25 am
It’s obvious Jenkins has the ability to accurately shoot with a hand in his face, with the ability to go by any defender that over commits to try and stop his jumper and finish strong. I remember a former NBA player who came out of college having most of the same negative crap that fans and critics, some of which have never seen him play, are saying about Jenkins.
I remember when Jeff Mullins, who was a perennial Allstar, and I believe a Dream Teamer, was considered too slow and unathletic, to hold his own defensively to be an effective NBA caliber player. Some of the negatives that’s currently being said about Jenkins was also said about Reggie Miller coming out of college.
His athleticism, DEF ability, and ball handling were questioned. Do any of you remember the negatives that were attributed to a slow footed, unathletic PG named Sam Cassell? Let these idiots who think their UNINFORMED OPINIONS are FACTS, continue to show their ignorance. Jenkins has more than enough talent and athleticism to be a productive NBA player.
He can certain shoot and score within the context of the OFF, and without dominating the ball and the OFF, better than Flip Murray, Jamal Crawford, and JJ. And the only way he can be any worse than Jamal and Flip defensively is if he refuses to cross half court and play DEF.
There are untold number of instances where players talents translates better in the Pros than in college due to their college systems. You can bet nobody projected Michael Jordan would become the NBA player he became based on his college career. In fact, that was the case with a lot of the stars that came out of the UNC. If we keep Harris for the season, and he starts at SG, resigning Pargo really makes sense.
If whoever we start at SF can give us OFF and DEF consistency, and play within the OFF, we will have a solid playoff caliber team that won’t be any worse than any team we’ve had the last 2-3yrs. If we can add 1 or 2 productive FA pickups to our bench, we could end up becoming a better team than we’ve been the last 2-3yrs by playoff time.
KevinM
July 9th, 2012
8:43 am
I’m thinking if we are only offering Joe’s luggage for D12, then Ferry ought to just admit he isn’t interested.
But whether he comes here or not, we don’t have that elite player to build around. Saying that, I would move anything of value to other teams and pick up draft picks. I expect very little from Al this year.
I expect the same level of play from Teague.
Does anyone know if Zaza has even recovered yet?
I’m ready for Danny to take his talents to the NBA draft and go about building us from within with better pieces. I could see us keeping Teague, Zaza, Jenkins, Scott & Ivan. We have Stevenson to ‘mentor’ Jenkins until he can be counted on.
We have to get value for Josh before he walks for pennies on the dollar.
As long as Al is here, Buddy G’s nimbers about Josh’s shot selection will only get worse.
If Al shows up and plays the way he played against Nigeria and Lithuania, we have ourselves another high draft pick with nimbers that don’t justify his production.
D12 or bust is my motto here. This ought to also move LD out of the way because you won’t see the word ‘development’ in his resume.
KevinM
July 9th, 2012
8:49 am
Don’t be surprised to see DeJuan Blair here. He apparently is falling out of favor in SA and because of his comments, his value has likely taken a hit as well.
Iggy coming off the bench in Philly? Man, that sounds like the lineup someone here gave having Josh play behind Al. It doesn’t make sense.
KevinM
July 9th, 2012
8:51 am
My bad, Iggy talking about coming off the bench for Team USA, haha…not quite the same scenario.