Atlanta Hawks: What about Dwight?

First…..Go get Howarddd

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Hordford, Teague, and that houston pick we got in johnson trade for Howard.

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“Live Action!!! Aye, Aye, Aye!!!”

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What’s with people wanting Harden and/or Gay?? JJ all over again??? No thanks!

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If you trade for Howard this year, without an extension…meaning you probably have traded Horford. I assume they would keep Josh Smith, But then you would have Smith and Howard on the final year of their contracts. If things don’t go well duirng the season, then you could lose Smith and Howard in free agency for nothing next summer and then what?!?!

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I wouldn’t take the chance on Howard I’d wait till next season instead.

Plus we GOT ANOTHER CHANCE AT CHRIS PAUL The chance to correct a draft mistake. at least according to rumors CP3 likes ATL so who knows next offseason he might want out of ATL and be closer back home to North Carolina.

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Yea, but i think Dwight was going to sign an extension, the Hawks would glad do it and then he can call Phillips Arena “His House”

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I will say it is fun talking about the Hawks. Can’t remember the last time there has been this much interest.

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I got to agree it’d be a bad move to give up Horford for Dwight and watch Horford get better, and then we lose Dwight to Nets next offseason.

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I would hope Ferry would never throw 3 future 1st round picks and 2 starters at Dwight or anyone else.

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What is Broussard talking about on Twitter ” no nets-hawks trade imminent”????

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Great trades by Ferry. This team had maxed out as a second round playoff team as constructed. Trading Johnson frees up a ton of money obviously. But don’t underestimate getting Morrow and that #1 pick. Those are good assets in the deal.

I actually was OK with Marvin, but he was making too much money. The trade for Harris makes sense. Gives us another asset.

Now its time to obtain Howard. So many good combinations we could use among Hortford, Smith, Teague, Harris, expiring contracts, and the extra draft pick.

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“Harden has made a pretty good JJ impression in the finals”

It was not a good look for LeBron in his first trip, either. OKC doesn’t GO to finals without Harden.

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I don’t think D12 does us any good …. he is a definite talent, but he must have the right mix of talents. The ORL offense (Dwight + legion of shooters) didn’t work, even though it did get them to the Finals one year.

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The Hawks need to go after him NOW!! Dwight is going to get traded no matter what. Also why would CP3 come to atlanta with no howard? He would just sign an exstention with the clippers

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Ray Allen is not coming here, lol. Neither is Chris Paul or Dwight Howard, this is comical.

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MC – Rumor before was for D12, D William, Josh be playing in Brooklyn 2013.

Now with Joe being traded to Brooklyn, Josh will not be going there with now having a change of heart to stay in the ATL.

D12, CP3 could be on there way to ATLANTA now make a alot of sense, D12 and Josh who are child hood friend and very close, along with CP3 who love ATL and rumors of him shoping for a house in Atlanta all make sense now for CP3, D12, JOSH could all be playing in Atlanta in 2013.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Please don’t trade Horford!!!!!!

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cThe Hawks need to go after him NOW!! Dwight is going to get traded no matter what. Also why would CP3 come to atlanta with no howard? He would just sign an exstention with the clippers

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YOU GUYS DONT UNDERSTAND HOWARD WOULDNT BE A ONE YEAR RENTAL!! WHY WOULD HE LEAVE IF WE COULD GET SMOOVE AND CP3 TO STAY!!!

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Ok, he meant Nets

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moving jj i dont think was to get in position to get d12 so folks dont get all heart broken if that doesnt come to fruition. it was to give this franchise some wiggle room to get better the right way. go back and read the intro to atlanta from ferry and levinson to see what is the plan. it is more than having a player but players that meet a mold. if d12 comes here it is within those guidelines. payers are going to have to consider that he more they are paid as stars less will be around them in most markets. bottom line matters especially when the full tax kicks in and they rich owners see they are fleshing out the rosters or coffers of their competition. again there are steinbrenners in every sport who dont care but even cuban is uncomfortable with the cba as is aronson who pointed out he is losing money as a winner.

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790 is reporting that Peter Vecsey is saying the Hawks are moving to St. Louis. That has to be inaccurate. Last I heard, the team is tied to Phillips Arena for several years.

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THIS WOULD BE THE LINEUP:

1.Harris
2.Jenkins
3.FA
4.Smith
5.Howard

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Orlando is crazy about Horford is it possible for Danny to pull this off ?

Time will tell.

Jeff, Horford, Jenkins and couple 1ST for D12.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Lol

Smith would be key in Dwight staying, I’m not sure why you trade him. Plus, Orl would prefer Horford.

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Leave Dwight alone- he’s a head case, and a cancer to his team. Let’s get Chris Paul- we missed out on him 7 years ago for Marvin! If Howard goes to Brooklyn, wonder how he will enjoy the Iso-Joe in the last five minutes of a close game? THANK YOU Danny Ferry for unloading all this dead wood-at least we have a future now!

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I agree with Duke – save our starters and wait till next year, Dwight or no Dwight. No rentals!

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Trade Horford and get D12. Wait look, something Ferry has also done and nobody is paying attention to. He is stacking the team with shooters to compliment D12 with Morrow, Jenkins, and Stevenson. I also see that Scott can shoot as well. Can you imagine Smoove and D12 in the front court? NOBODY will be able to come in the paint!! GET THAT ISH OUTTA HERE!!

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Danny – Do what ever to get D12 here.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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@ Duke . . the Hawks wouldn’t be able to afford Max contracts for Howard and CP3 + have Horford on board for 12 million, without Josh Smith taking a pay cut.

The only way to get that lineup, is to trade either Horford/Smith now for Howard, then go after CP3 in free agency.

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Trade Horford, Zaza, and pick for Howard. I do not want Turkoglu.

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ESPN SC NBA – Dwight Howard-to-Nets not imminent; Magic talking to Lakers, Hawks, Rockets, Chris Broussard reports

YES!!!

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Yeah, what about Dwight? If the broke-backed punk doesn’t want to come and play for his hometown team, then **** him.

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*[re-posted from last blog]*
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Buddy Grizzard

The players, *(the players themselves) had tired of Dwight`s antics.
No less than Jameer Nelson and Dwight had to be separated in
the locker-room as J.M. went after D.H.
*The players themselves- they are the ones who matter
They are the ones DH quit on. They know it, they knew it.
They tired of it.

That must have been quite a sight little Jameer …
going up against Goliath.

More than one spoke out against Howard;
Redick, Nelson, Anderson, siding with the Coach;
not to mention Howard`s constant dissatisfaction with teammates,
which precipitated earlier trades [Gortat, Barnes, Pietrus]
therefore weakening a previous championship team, while bringing
back worthless vets such as [Turkoglu].

I realize all those were not his fault;
but he had created the Keep Dwight happy mentality !

His teammates were tired of him;
that much is certain !
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If you read my original post ?

I stated:
” the young man has lost his way ”
I didn`t rip him to shreds.
My point;
was pairing him with Josh may [may] MAY, “MAY” be combustible !

I know that I certainly outgrew my high-school buddies
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they assuredly outgrew me !

Dwight`s not a Bad person:
Immature – not a leader ” for sure “, coupled with repugnant advisors;
poor guy is in a bad situation.

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“790 is reporting that Peter Vecsey is saying the Hawks are moving to St. Louis. That has to be inaccurate. Last I heard, the team is tied to Phillips Arena for several years.”

I just heard the same thing on the Dan Patrick show. He claimed that all of this salary dumping was a way to make the team more attractive for potential buyers. Any thoughts on this MC?

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TRADE:
-Horford
-Teague
-1st round pick 2013
-2nd round pick 2013

for dwight

***rumored
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2013

CP3, ? , ?, Josh, D12

I like this team already with 3player.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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If we get Dwight he will stay. Him and Josh will both ink extensions and then we will make a run at Paul or Ellis in the offseason. They got to get this done. Things finally starting to look up. Plus guys stop bashing JJ he helped this team get back to the playoffs and was a good teammate and a good guy off the court. To bad he didnt play up to his contract in the playoffs which they really needed to take the next step. But now this is a new exciting time for the Hawks. Lets get Dwight

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Yes – If the Hawks could keep Jenkins i would be happy, but if Magic ask for him let him go.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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What i think is funny is that the clippers havnt even signed Deron williams yet and they are acting like they already have him hahaha

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the Nets just signed Teletovic for 3 years at 5 million per.

don’t seem very focused in keeping cap space for next year.

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Google It!

I just googled “rumors of Hawks moving to St. Louis” … I got NOTHING. Nothing but, The Hawks moved from St. Louis to Atlanta in 1968 & some Ads for Moving Companies.

So, just Stop It! Troll.

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Jordan —

Can’t find it. Link please?

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ryan!

“Sounds like someone from St. Louis is jealous because Hawks finally can makes big moves Thrashers were different Hawks are leased to Phillips Arena nice try troll .”
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I know right? didn’t we just send the Rams an O-Liner and a Full Back last year Get that St. Louis troll outa’ here, once and for all.

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Why would we trade Morrow? Who is going to play SG?

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We got a 2013 pick from the Nets that is “lottery protected”. What exactly does that mean?

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Ferry in Motion!

“In-Action today, means No-Action tomorrow” -drmaryeb-
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We’re getting a lot of action today, people.

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Hawks to St. Louis, back to the roots

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From MC:

“The Nets and Hawks had trade discussions over the past week involving Howard and I’m sure they are ongoing. But I don’t think Ferry is willing to trade Al Horford and the four years remaining on his reasonable contract for one year of Howard and all the associated drama.”

If this is true, the Hawks definitely want a commitment from Howard that he will sign an extension before this deal is approved. If they don’t want to risk losing Horford just for a one year rental of Howard, the deal will either be nixed, or the deal will be re-done with Smith as the guy to go.

The fact that there is no indication that Smith will sign long term with the Hawks, probably has Ferry a little gun shy about going all out. We’ll see how this plays out though.

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@BIG DOG

We have money to resign them. Why would smith leave if we have the potential to make the NEW big 3?!?!?!

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The thing about acquiring Dwight Howard and giving up important pieces is that if you can’t convince him to stay, you can ship him to a championship or bust team for some of their important pieces.

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Kane337

July 3rd, 2012
12:33 pm

“We got a 2013 pick from the Nets that is “lottery protected”. What exactly does that mean?”

My understanding is if the Nets #1 pick which has been traded to Atlanta turns out to be a “lottery pick” [1-14], then the Nets get to keep it..If the pick slides down past the Lottery slots, then the Hawks get to keep..Is that correct Northcyde, Just Joe?

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The pick the Hawks got was Houston’s pick. It’s lottery protected for the next 4 years. If Houston is in the lottery, then they keep the pick. After the 4 years is up, it turns in to a 2017 2nd rd pick.

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Thanks Just Joe, thats why you got mad GM skills and I dont! LOL!

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I guess the only good thing about the lottery protected 1st in 2013, is if Houston is in the lottery, then their 2nd rd pick that we own should be a decent pick.

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NortyCyde!

“The fact that there is no indication that Smith will sign long term with the Hawks, probably has Ferry a little gun shy about going all out. We’ll see how this plays out though.”
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MC reported yesterday that Mr. Ferry is scheduled to meet with Josh, today – I think. Also, brianjohnson @ccarking on twitter, is from Aiken, SC, like myself. he tweeted me this morning that he is in town and, had dinner with Josh’s Father last night. He reported that THEY are very excited about what’s going down yesterday, with the JJ/Marvin trades.

Something’s brewing here. D12 is headed home – I believe.

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In other words, northcyde, why would Ferry risk losing Horford if what you said could be true, “Now he may not STAY in ATL long term without Josh, but it’s the Magic that has all of the control here.”

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@Jordan

I dont see nothing aobut a Morrow trade on Hoopsworld

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Say good-bye to All NBA & Teague yawl.

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http://www.atlnightspots.com/2012/rumors-atlanta-hawks-made-moves-for-hopes-of-getting-dwight-howard-chris-paul

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Question for all y’all……IF Atlanta trades for D12 now, would Brooklyn have the cap space to sign him next summer since they’d still have Lopez, Brooks, and Humphries?? OR would they be off their books by then?

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@moboman

He though that was the only team that has NBA tittle quality (besides Lakers but they are aging) with Williams ( who hasnt signed an exstention yet) but this was before the hawks traded JJ and now can create the NEWER ‘BIG 3′

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Hawk fan here that lives in NY. They are talking on WFAN that Orlando prefers Horford over Lopez and like Teague as well. Hawks can get this done.

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Interesting moves being made by the Nets. So they use the non-taxpayer MLE on some European PF ( Mirza Teletovic ). This means that their payroll can’t exceed 4 million over the Luxury Tax

So the Nets now have a HARD CAP of a little less than 75 million

JJ – 19.75 million
Deron – 17 – 18 million ( in 1st year if re-signed )
G. Wallace – 9 million ( in 1st year )
Teletovic – 5.5 mill ( approx )

Total . . . somewhere around 52 million

If a Maxed out Dwight starts out around 18 million . . that’s 70 million

70 million amongst 5 players . . with 4 million to sign 8 players?

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As far as I’m concerned Ferry went All-In when he traded JJ for non-starters! If Ferry has to trade Horford for a possible 1-year rental of Howard then that’s what he signed up to do, FINISH the JOB!! Then next summer is going to have to beg and plead for Josh and Howard to stay, while acquiring another quality wing or PG.

For me it’s an all or nothing play! I really hope it works, because if it doesn’t then we’re Charlotte!!

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Seems like a lot of you just skipped over the important details in the story. You saw Howard and Hawks and got all happy. No way Ferry is going to trade away those type of assets if Howard doesnt agree to an extension. The Hawks would give up Horford, Teague, and probably a first. Imagine if Dwight says thanks but no thanks once his contract is up? Then what do the Hawks do because if Dwight says im out of here then Josh would be right behind him. The only way this deal gets made is if Dwight agrees to an extension. If not then it makes sense to just wait until the next offseason and offer him a max deal then.

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Some of you have become delusional over the prospect of us now having the potential ability to acquire DHoward. Fortunately Ferry isn’t stupid enough to trade a top 3-4 NBA center(Horford) with 4yrs remaining on his contract for a dominant center coming off major back surgery, with ego and decision making issues, with only 1yr remaining on his contract, and who has yet to indicate he’s interested in playing here.

We cannot allow DHoward’s ego and over valued sense of self worth to put our franchise in the same situation that he’s put Orlando’s. But unlike Orlando, he’ll immediately become a FA after one season with us, and our franchise would have to completely start over without any of the 1st and/or 2nd rd picks we would have traded away to rent him for a yr.

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Come on back home, Dwight, we will take care of ya!!

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Its clear that some on here just dont get it.

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Lebron had the biggest ego of them all…..look how that turned out.

Didnt they win an NBA championship?

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So although Dwight has let it known he doesnt want to play for the Hawks he will sign an extension just because some fans on a blog wants him to? smh. Some of you got to be trolling.

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My bad . . 5 million to sign 8 players

Unless the Luxury Tax goes up a mill or so, the Nets will have problems even filling out a roster, if they get everything they want. Wallace would have to be traded if they had to take Turkoglu in a deal for Dwight

So the Nets could look like this

PG – Williams
G – Johnson
F – Turkoglu
PF – Teletovic
C – Howard

G – Tu Holloway
G – Scoop Jardine
G – some guy in the NDBL
F – Yancey Gates
F – Keith Benson
F – some guy in the NDBL
C – some guy in the NDBL
C – some guy in the NDBL

Basically they’d have to fill out the squad with a college All-Star team that wasn’t good enough to be drafted + some D-League guys.

At least for that 1st year.

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Drmaryb,

I understand he is moving today, but I doubt he is getting moved to the Nets. I really cant see them affording him any longer which means where ever he DOES GO, he will not be signing there. He will then be free to come here on his own. Again, I ask, WHY NOT WAIT TIL THEN?

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cp, no he will sign an extension because his best friend asks him to. Why go to Brooklyn for all of that off-the-court marketing money when he could come home and be a novelty (not a champion, but a novelty) with his buddy. Maybe they can recruit Tone-Tone and Willie Ray from their old AAU team to join as well.

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Back it Down!

D12 had a very minor back surgery for a bulging disc. They just went in there with a scope and cleaned out sum debris. Outpatient procedure and D12 was in the LA Strip Clubs seven days later.

That was more about not playing for SVG as anything else.
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Astro Joe!

Your question was pretty narrow: “So does anyone think that Howard, Smith and X will beat the Heat in a 7 game series… considering that Howard can’t be on the floor at the end of lcose games (at least not when the Hawks have the ball)?”
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You never mentioned surrounding talent nor, defense. Besides The Heat will NOT repeat next year, they NEVER do, when former pieces are moved and, injuries creep. Im not worried about The Heat today. Just my Hawks.

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MsDee ~~~>~~~>Co-Sign

If Dwight and or Josh really wish to compete for a Championship;
why not wait & sign as you said which would allow …
more and better players.
Seems selfish to wish away Al & Teaguer just for 1 yr of ? what ?

Plus what about Al:
Is Josh throwing his teammate of five yrs under the bus;
by recruiting Dwight ? … Is that loyal ?

This does not sound like Mr Ferry.
Having Josh recruit Dwight at the risk of creating a chasm
between Al and Josh were this grand scheme
[not] come to fruition !

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Then again . . . the Nets could also trade Teletovic to the Magic, along with Wallace, Brooks, Lopez and fillers, and clear enough room to offer vet minimum contracts to more known guys. Yeah, they’d have to do this, if they took back Turkoglu.

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I don’t know if D12 would sign an extension in Atlanta or not, but the general line of thinking is that he wasn’t interested before because of the poor management and ownership. Maybe that thinking has changed? Maybe, Danny Ferry can change D12’s mind like he has reportedly changed Josh’s?

None of us know for sure but that’s the idea anyway. IF D12’s hangup on Atlanta was the management/ownership, maybe that perception can be altered by the new GM making legitimate moves that prove they are serious about building a champion.

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Ms. Dee

“OH, and how do u know CP3 is looking for a home here in Da A??”
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Word on The Street. Also, CP3 added The ATL to his wish list before being traded to the Clipps last trade deadline. He should have been here all along – right? lol

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MC you slowing down bro? what no new news to report in the last 12 hours?

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MsDee – That was one of the rumors for while now, that CP3 had been searching for house in ATL.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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lol@Astro yea that has to be it. He will sign an extension because ask’s him very nicely too. And I guess since CP3 is shopping for a home in Atlanta means he wants to play here too. I guess all the other athletes who stay in Atlanta but dont want to play here dont know any better.

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Is it too late draft Chris Paul instead of Marvin?

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darn it….lol

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I heard Marc Stein on the radio this morning saying that Orlando wasn’t even in the trade mindset yet and that any trade involving D12 wouldn’t happen for a while. Obviously, things can change, but I wouldn’t expect Howard to be traded today or anytime soon.

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Why trade for Howard when we can wait and get him next year without risking him not committing?

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I wouldn’t mind seeing if Brandon Roy is healthy.

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@MC…Is it accurate to assume that since none of these deals can be official until July 11 that we won’t get any quote or comments from Ferry until then? Also, what is your take on them making additional major moves. Are they content to wait until next summer or are they trying to do additional trades?? Your thoughts?

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Looks like the Nets are out may come to Horford or Bynum if that’s the case we not getting him .

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Whoever sign’s Dwight Howard to his next contract should have a clause that fines him for missed free throws. It is amazing how a professional basketball player can’t even shoot 75% from the line!

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AJ, with the shooters that I’m sure Ferry would get to go along with D12, Josh, and preferably CP3, yes the Hawks could beat the Heat in a 7 game series. The reason is simple, Wade isn’t going to last 3-4 more seasons at the level that he is at. Battier can guard David West, Brandon Bass, and Ibaka. But he can’t guard Josh.

You said you preferred Bynum. But the problem with Bynum is, while he is a better back to the basket player, he has games where he only produces 6-8 rebounds. He will go out tonight have 24 rebounds, and then tomorrow and have 6. Dwight gives you 12+ almost on a nightly basis, no matter if he’s scoring at a high clip or not. Also, how Lebron found in Wade, CP3 would be the best player Dwight ever played with. Josh and Dwight are way better than Griffin and Jordan. So you can only imagine the impact CP3 would have on their games. CP3 would eat Chalmers up, the way Westbrook did the last two games, but he would do it in a smarter way by drawing fouls. Battier and Miller aren’t getting younger. And Scott’s game is very close to Haslem (as Ivan is as well). It will definitely be a battle. But I do believe without question, that team is better than Chicago, and anything they’re doing in Boston Retirement Home.

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If we dont get howard, smith will leave then….aww god

1.teague
2.Jenkins
3.FA
4.Horford
5.FA

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If the Hawks trade for Dwight, we would have to give up Horford, Teague and 3 first round picks (imo), since we don’t have room to take any bad contracts.

With Howard coming off back surgery, and his diva attitude, I wouldn’t do that deal. I would rather keep the salary cap space and either sign him next year outright, or go after some other high profile guys (like CP3, Harden, Bynum).

And for those concerned about Harden getting a max contract, I think it will be along the lines of 4 years, $60 mil (similar to what Eric Gordon will get this year. I would take him at that price.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ub4kwn

This the trade that would get D12 here plus 2 1st round.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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Forget Howard! Don’t want his immaturity and drama queen like attitude. What’s he won lately? Can do better with slightly less talented player(s) who have the right attitude. He’s a pampered baby. Forget him.

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Slim-Juice,Jr

“Brando Roy has two knees with no cartilage between the bones[ how can he still play]? And what GM worth their salt would sign him up?”
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Answer: None.

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I, along with many, many others have referred to LBJ as an Ass-Clown.
Logic demands:
Dwight Howard is Ass-Clown II.

Just `cause he`s from Atl. don`t mean he gets a pass.

-corollary-
Just like JD Drew with the Braves, he was a Ga boy;
*[Hahira, nonetheless]
still, it could not cover up the fact – JDD was a dick.

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ESPN radio just reported Nets are no longer in the run for D12.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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By the way AJ, by no means am I saying I don’t want Bynum. I’ll take Howard, Bynum, or a top 3-4 pick in next year’s draft. Either of the three will work for me.

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If Hawks go after Bynum next offseason, then either Josh or Al would have to be on the way out. And with Horford’s contract only for $12 mil for 4 more years, while Josh will get at least $15 mil for 5 years (imo), I won’t be surprised if Josh leaves next offseason (especially if Dwight still doesn’t want to play here).

And if that happens, I can see the Hawks going after Bynum (if the Lakers don’t resign him), and a guy like Harden or CP3. Shoot, is there a way to get Bynum, Harden, and CP3? I know. I’m dreaming big

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MC – Thanks for the info regarding the move to STL. Glad to hear that can’t happen if what you said is true….

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HAWKS
July 3rd, 2012
1:30 pm

If we dont get howard, smith will leave then….aww god

1.teague
2.Jenkins
3.FA
4.Horford
5.FA

Not if Ferry continues to wk his magic and get Ibaka and Harden.

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Good news BIG DOG!

Now its on!

HAWKS vs. LA!

Gas up the Limo, we’re coming for ya D12!

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Enter yourWe don’t need CP3. We have a great young point guard in Teague.

Teague
S/G
Smith
Horford
Howard

That would be the line up.
Ferry has been rumored to move Harris for maybe a SG or SF.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–magic-eye-lakers-center-andrew-bynum-as-target-in-potential-dwight-howard-trade.html

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Ibaka << Smoove
Harden = JJ
Why would you want more of the same? We need a superstar in ATL!

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“Yawl need to ask Jameer Nelson for an opinion about DH as a teammate.” – Grand-Daddy-
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I don’t talk to scrubs. (lol) we don’t give a damn about Jameer Nelson’s opinion about nothing.

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Would you rather have Bynum/Sessions or Horford/Teague?

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This could interesting with the Nets out can this trade happen Howard and Smith on the same team .

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We want Championships!!!!!!!!

That is all..

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Horford and Teague by a long shot….Horford is going back home!

Danny is da Man!!!!

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Mary Ellen

Agreed !

Neither do we need a quitter !
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BIG DOG, you working for King Danny or sumthin? LOL!

Book it Danny!!! Make it so Scottie! Aye Captain!

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I kinda wish we had marvin now to offer

Teague, marvin, Horford

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@Astro Joe

Why would any player want to come to ATL if we didnt have smith or howard??

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@Jay ORL didn’t do that trade last year because they thought they could convince Dwight to stay

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You have got believe Danny is looking at several options, not just D12?

But if D12 lands in your lap what is a GM who is on the path to build a Championship organization supposed to do?

Say I’ll pass and keep ALL Get Real? C’mon son!

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WOW WTF THE GUY THAT WROTE THE ARTICLE ABOUT LAKERS AND HOWARD DEAL IS TOTAL BS!!!
“the Magic have continued discussions with the Brooklyn Nets and Houston Rockets, but aren’t enamored with the possibilities of players and picks that those teams can offer.”

TOTAL BS!!!

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* teammate`s opinions

[not teammates opinions]

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Yea Astro thats why I said some on here tend to remember a guy for what he once did. And I guess if Lebron shops for a home in Atlanta that means he wants to be traded from the Heat and play for the Hawks.

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from that Yahoo article link above:

Howard told Yahoo! Sports on Sunday night that,” There’s only one team on my list and if I don’t get traded there, I’ll play the season out and explore my free agency after that.”

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My Sweet Dear Grand-Daddy!

And, how many All Star games has Jameer played in? this mighty mouse is NO where near ELITE, he’s been hurt every play-offs i can remember. i for one, am not impressed. you can ride his jock strap, not me though. lol

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Who said that?

“Yea Astro thats why I said some on here tend to remember a guy for what he once did. And I guess if Lebron shops for a home in Atlanta that means he wants to be traded from the Heat and play for the Hawks.”
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When did LeBron ever say, “Atlanta, GA is on my short list?” And, when did LBJ ever shop for a home in Atlanta? What is your point?

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And I’m sure that Adidas deal can be as attractive in Atlanta.
@Hawk-eye: ONE injury does not make a player injury prone.

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Astro, here is a little insight as to why Utah traded for Marvin

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/54420387-87/harris-williams-jazz-trade.html.csp

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Why ya’ll all up on CP3? I like another PG, care to guess who?

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Isn’t Marvin from Utah or Portland? Gone on home – boy.

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The same point of CP3 not saying the Hawks are on his short list. You act as if because he is shopping for a home in Atlanta then he wants to play here. What kind of logic is that? Do you know how many athletes own homes in Atlanta and have no desire to play here

Let me take it a step further. When Chris Paul was about to be traded from the Hornets he gave them a list of teams that he would waive that opt out clause for. Guess what team wasnt on that list. To take it even further. He had the Clippers of all teams on that list but no where on that list were the Hawks. The Clippers history make the Hawks history look like the Lakers. Paul could have added the Hawks last year as a team he would play for but didnt.

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MsDee, I am with you on Harden and Ibaka and offering them deals should D12 no longer be an option.

If the Morrow deal to LAC is valid, that frees up 4M more.

I think Ferry is shooting for 2 pieces this offseason, PG and C.
Based on how this is going down, and with rumors that Atlanta has the best package so far (allegedly), I think you have to go for it and get a difference maker. Al, Teague and 2 draft picks are good pieces.
I’m thinking ORL wants to dump some salary as well, namely Turk.

Ferry doesn’t need a 3rd team to get a deal done like rumors are that Brooklyn does. And Humphries, Brooks & Lopez is just Brooklyn south, and they haven’t accomplished anything.
I think its LA you have to watch out for, with Bynum being the centerpiece. I can’t see how LA does nothing all offseason.

And if D12 is going anywhere, he’s going somewhere very soon (agreeing here with DMB). No reason to drag this thing out.

I like where we are today much more than yesterday no matter what happens the rest of the year. I just believe that Ferry is going to try and compete TODAY and get a superstar to come here. He’s going to have a year to watch this roster and see if he can lock down some roster slots.

AJ, at the end of games, having Josh and D12 at the FT line is just going to be painful to watch if that happens. I understand it can be overcome, but so far, 2 guys who get foul shots like the OKC guards?
They’re just leaving so many points at the line…they simply have to improve.

We’re very close to expecting a lot out of Devin Harris huh?

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Keep Horoford, keep Smith, keep Teague.Sign D Howard when he is a free agent.

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dmb, funny girl. try seattle as home for marvin about as liberal a place there is to be now landing in utah one of the most conservative places about another ten states to go before you get there. like you landing in minnesota and saying you arent far from home because the mississippi river is close by. heh heh

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Kevin, as you know, I’m not expecting ish from the ‘12-13 Hawks. Devin Harris lost time to Earl Watson the last few years in Utah. Earl Watson. All of this chatter about what megastar may arrive in the next few weeks (or days) makes me very uncomfortable. I’d much rather wait to acquire the franchise players next summer… when the Hawks have far more leverage with dollar-dollar bills, y’all.

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Seattle it is, then. just get his “brown rice – fish heads” eating arse the hella outa’ here. lol & so long buddy.

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If you guys think getting rid of No Show Joe, and Marshmellow Marvin was great, get a load of my next move…Can’t Touch Dis!

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If Dwight wants to come here, and the back checks out, I sell the house to get him. Al, ZaZa, Teague, 4 1st picks.

That’s the way forward to me.

And is Smoove moving to the 3?

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HOOPSHYPE:

Still, a source with knowledge of the Magic’s plans said that the Nets are merely one of a number of teams amid trade talks, and that the Lakers, Rockets, Hawks and Mavericks are all reportedly in the mix. Howard’s hometown Hawks may be the most intriguing option. New general manager Danny Ferry has cleared more than $100 million from the books over the next four years with the Johnson deal and a separate trade that — once formalized after the free agency moratorium ends on July 11 — will send forward Marvin Williams to Utah for point guard Devin Harris. SI.com

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Northcyde @12:38 … I hope that is the case. If Ferry wants to acquire Howard, I think he deserves the chance to speak with DH, see where his mind is and whether he is willing to sign an extension with ATL.

Otherwise the Hawks should pass, even if it means Howard goes to another team.

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AJ, I’m with of looking at building long-term, but if there’s a chance you can have at worse a 1 year test with D12 as your centerpiece, I think Ferry’s gonna make that move. For a guy that loosened a noose around our neck in one week, Im not asking for anything else.
I can absorb a 1 year playoff absence there is a long term elite player solution….but when you try to go to OKC MODE, you have to be bad for 2-3 years…and we still have good pieces to complement a star.

As I said earlier, decide who your #1 is, then get him in place to start your plan going forward. I think Ferry is going to have a couple more moves very soon.

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I really think Mcgee was just doing that because Wizards let him for so long.

Like people been saying Sac-town and the wiz are two teams you really don’t want to play for why their all so young on that team.

Your oldest player or use to be oldest in Blatche was a headcase of himself. When I think about it though Sacramento probably doesn’t have to deal with the headcases as much except for Cousins of course.

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Be great if Danny and Orlando can pull off a trade by the end of the week…

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Bears mentioning (sorry if it has been pointed out already) that the new ORL GM worked in the Spurs front office previously. So Ferry has a history with him.

FWIW

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AJ

lol

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“the new ORL GM worked in the Spurs front office previously. So Ferry has a history with him.”

Wow NCBravestFan that is awesome news that I have not heard? Hmmmmm

Looks like our Hawks maybe the front runners? Hmmmmm

Gas it up Josh and go get your boy/your best man and bring him to his House! Phillips Arena! Make it so.

Can you say ECF’s next year? Why not?

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AJ

We are not promised tomorrow, all we have is today. the way the global market is going these days, bloomindale’s might not even be in business next year. Wal-Mart’s ain’t going no where with all the cheapness they offer the trailer people like us.

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can someone make sense of this devin harris for marvin williams trade for me?
i still dont get why utah would want marvins contract when devin harris’ contract is about to end and marvin has got 3 years left?

i would like to see the hawks trade devin harris for kevin martin in HOU. kevins contract is for this year only and we have no starting SG, plus we need to help Houston anyway we can so they make the playoffs and we get to keep Brooklyns pick. id also like to see us sign michael b-easy beasley for our starting SF spot.
PG Teague SG Kevin Martin SF Michael Beasley PF Josh Smith C Al horford

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I still think that Mr. Ferry isn’t done. I’m not sure if he can actually sell the Dwight to Atlanta pitch. Don’t get me wrong, with less than a week on the job, he got rid of the top scorer and the bust on the team on the same day. The only other miracle that i know that was better than this one was when Jesus turned water into wine…lol. As much as i would love to see a D12, CP3, and JSmoove led team, I’d hate to see Horford go, because if you are a realist, then you know his time is up in Atlanta, and so is Teague.

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With the NBA salary cap where it is, no team is going to be able to have multiple players with max contracts, and have a supporting roster of good role players.

The max contracts need to be adjusted downward to accomodate the salary cap structure.

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Howard already said “He hates the Hawks” He will never play for this team….dont need the headache, let him go to Brooklyn and end the soap opera. CP3 is a keeper!

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As much as we need a true center, we’ve gotta consider character. Al Horford is a leader and a very good player, and Mr. Cunningham mentioned he’s in a good-looking 4 year contract. His proven desire to win should outweigh any assurances from the decidedly wishy-washy Howard.

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yoursporthousedotcom

July 3rd, 2012
12:11 pm

“Trade Horford and get D12. Wait look, something Ferry has also done and nobody is paying attention to. He is stacking the team with shooters to compliment D12 with Morrow, Jenkins, and Stevenson. I also see that Scott can shoot as well. Can you imagine Smoove and D12 in the front court? NOBODY will be able to come in the paint!! GET THAT ISH OUTTA HERE!!”

“Shoot the jumper! Shoot it” -Dave Chappell-

Danny in one week made the last 5 Hawk GM’s look totally incompetent!
He’s got a plan and working on multiple fronts to make it happen! He is going to build a Championship Franchise ya’ll…

What a beautiful day in [Hotlanta]!

Danny is moving at warp factor nine! Scottie increase power to 105%! Aye Captain!

Bill Laimbeer

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AJ

D12 is being moved while you’re counting next years money. move now or, just move on and look at other non-superstar talents, if you want another roster filled with almost woulda beens. SuperStar Centers are NOT low hanging fruit.

So, if you wanna settle for a Bynum or Asik or a, Javale McGee … then knock yourself out. As far as D12 – it’s now or never. next year, he will be under contract and we will be as usual, azz out with a boat load of money.

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AJ,

I don’t expect the Devin Harris from years ago when he was an all-star. But this is from the Utah article northcyde posted;

After struggling mightily through the initial two months of a lockout-compressed campaign, the eight-year veteran finally found his game in March. Harris then looked like his former All-Star self during the final month of the season, averaging 16.5 points and 5.3 assists while shooting 42 percent behind the 3-point line..

If he can pickup anywhere close to where he left off, I think him and Teague should give us a decent PG rotation that we haven’t had in years.

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Astro, its real nice being under the salary cap, but there’s no such thing as a “Salary Cap Champion”. We have to go through Miami just to get to the Finals and we need Dwight to do it. I don’t actually care about anyone else they can get. If Ferry blew up this team just to pickup some other second rate FAs, I will be pissed off and complete depressed! He needs to finish the job and get Dwight before Orlando trades him to someone else. (1 year Bird Rights gives his new team the most money leverage next year!)

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If we do get CP3 and D13 while keeping Josh, who are we going to get to coach them? Surely we won’t entrust Larry Drew with that job.

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I’ll pass on that…

I’m not giving away any assets unless we have some assurance that Dwight signs the extension.

As someone has already pointed out, we probably have the most leverage of any team to sign these guys next offseason with the amount of cap space we have available. No need to take any chances unless assurances are made.

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Mary, Dwight hasn’t said if he will sign a long-term deal yet. So he could be available next summer. And obviously, I’m not convinced that he is the single answer to a championship team this year. Orlando is looking for a team to absorb a bad contract when they trade Howard. What if he doesn’t love having family and friends hitting him up for cash everyday while playing in Atlanta and bolts next summer. Now our $40M in cap space is reduced becasue we have Turkalgu taking up 25%+ of it. That’s not smart business. Ferry has the leverage next summer, he shouldn’t shoot himself trying to chase a confused, overrated (that’s right, I said it), back surgery rehabbing player like Howard who doesn’t want to be coached up and only wants to be cuddled. Add that attitude to Mr. Smith and I’m looking at disasterous results on the court (but a potentially entertainng reality show).

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As a side note that people will hate, we may now have an even more attractive deal to swap out Josh Smith for Pau Gasol.

We now could do a Josh Smith + Devin Harris for Gasol + Steve Blake. Blake doesn’t matter, because he expires.

Hawks would then have a Horford + Gasol frontline . . with a decision to be made on Teague . . and enough cap room to offer one of the top guards a Max contract.

Just something to think about, in case the “superstar option” doesn’t happen.

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O’brien, if Ferry doesn’t offer that than he’s just wasted his time and the only person he helped was these clueless owners that shouldn’t have paid JJ in the first place!! We have no idea if Howard will sign an extension with any team except the Nets. (if you believe Dwight?) I never liked the trade of JJ in the first place, I was for riding this upcoming season out and if everything didn’t work out amnestying JJ, let Josh walk and starting over. But since Ferry made the trade, he better finish the deal and get Dwight here, or Josh is going to walk in the summer and we’re the new “Hawkcats”!

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O’B, I think that Ferry should offer Horford and Teague to OKC for Westbrook. That is a deal to pursue THIS summer. And see if CP3 and D12 wants to join Josh and Westbrook next summer (with Westbrook playing the 2 guard).

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Buddy Grizzard

July 3rd, 2012
11:14 am
“Would you prefer Bynum or Howard (and I am assuming Bynum will make ~$3 mil less than Howard annually)?”

Howard completely destroyed Bynum Jan. 20th. Put on a clinic.

I hear you but I have seen bynm destroy guys as well. Dwight wentcrazy one night in jan against Bynum but Jason Friggn Collin an ZAZA shut him down a couple times this year. Bynum has footwork and a nice touch around the rim…….He hits free throws as well…Give me Bynum if heaalthy and CP all day

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Adrian Wojnarowski: Brooklyn is finalizing a sign-and-trade deal with the Los Angeles Clippers for Reggie Evans, league sources tell Y! Sports.. Twitter

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northcyde, I thought of EXACTLY that same trade. But decided against it. But I think the Lakers would like that one.

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Personally, I think D12’s the reason Lebron didn’t want to stay in Cleveland. I think the year he lost to Orlando in the Conf. Finals, convinced him he needed serious help! (what he got was a washed up Shaq)

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Ra’mon,

OKC has Perkins and Ibalka, so why would they want Horford this offseason? Where would they play him? And keep in mind that although Westbrook has his PG issues, dude is still All-Nba caliber with tons of potential. I like Teague, but I dont know if he will ever be an all-star PG.

No way OKC gives up Westbrook for Horford and Teague (imo).

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Brooklyn is finalizing a sign-and-trade deal with the Los Angeles Clippers for Reggie Evans, league sources tell Y! Sports.

Well, the Nets are moving right along without Dwight

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The Immortal I Mus Write, that “if healthy” is a BIG IF player!

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KWooden!

“Astro, name me a combination of players that can beat Miami that doesn’t include D12?”
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Answer: None.

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AJ,

Devin Harris may be decent, but I have a hard time seeing somebody give up a first round pick for him since he would be a 2-3 months rental.

Best case scenario, would be if the Hawks trade him and get the option to swap first round picks with a team who needs him (for example, if a team needs him to make a playoff push).

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I MUS, I just don’t like Bynum’s attitude and his motor. Dwight doesn’t have his footwork, but makes up for it by effort and quickness!

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Harden looks to me like Joe Johnson 2.0: a great complimentary piece on a great team who some desperate franchise is going to overpay for to be their No. 1 guy. I like Harden a lot, but I’m not going to want to pay him what it will take to get him.

As far as the home-town angle as it relates to Dwight, I really think that’s overrated. I believe it was Charles Barkley who said he wouldn’t want to play in his home town (not that Leeds, Alabama has an NBA franchise). I would imagine that’s how a lot of players feel. These guys are young millionaires who want to see the world. Staying home just doesn’t have that much appeal to the average NBA athlete, IMO.

If I were Ferry and I got to meet with Howard face-to-face, I wouldn’t try to sell him on coming home. I’d try to sell him on the fact that he could own this city. Atlanta may not be New York or Chicago, but maybe that’s not such a bad thing. It’s still a major media market, and it’s one without a major professional sports superstar. Dwight could own that spotlight. Knowing what we know about him, I think that would intrigue him.

Doesn’t hurt that he could team up with Smoove, too.

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With JJ gone, am I the only one who wonders if that will lead to Josh taking more jumpers/3’s? After all, I expect his usage to increase even more.

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Yea some of you might as well give up trying to explain why the Hawks should wait until next summer or have Dwight agree to an extension first. These posters are locked and loaded on Dwight and have ignored what MC wrote and other logical explanations.

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I have no problem if Ferry waits until next offseason when Dwight becomes a UFA to make a move. Why trade assets and take on a bad contract like Turk when the Hawks can just wait and sign Dwight outright? If CP3 doesn’t come but Dwight and Josh sign, we’ve got the best front line in the NBA plus a team option on Teague.

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Mary, I believe that Howard is one of those “hierarchy” kind of guys. I recall him being upset about not getting enough touches a few years ago…. after Turkaglu left and he was ready to “be the man”. I recall him being put off when Kobe suggested that he come to LA to be the 2nd fiddle. So based on those clues (and the way things went down last year), I think he wants to be the definitive star… I’m not even convinced he wants to be a co-star like Lebron-Wade-Bosh. If he isn’t looking to play 2nd fiddle to Kobe, is he going to be okay watching Gay shooting the ball late in the 4th quarter?

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moboman

July 3rd, 2012
3:02 pm
Ferry is nobody’s fool. No extension, no deal. Y’all remember Texiera? JD Drew? Danny Manning? If he will extend, do the deal in a second, if not he’s fools gold.

EGGZACTLEE- NO EXTENSION NO TRADE……………….I would like to keep Teague his arrow is pointing up..

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The biggest free agent acquisition THIS off season, may was Ferry hiring Wes Wilcox. Sekou is raving about the hire.

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Don’t do it! Dwight is getting a lot of attention for someone just coming off of lumbar surgery.

His timing for the surgery was impeccably horrible (during the stretch run of Orlando’s regular season just before the playoffs) suggesting a streak of petulance against Orlando management, and the last center I remember having the kind of surgery he had – Brad Daugherty of the Cavs who went into surgery at 7-0 and came out 6-10 – never got back to what he was before surgery. Let someone else overpay and make Brokeback Dwight prove he can hold up for 82 games.

Second – why bring in what is sure to be a p.r. nightmare? His periodic meltdowns against the Celtics notwithstanding, Josh for the most part gave me the impression last season that he is actually maturing and letting his play do the talking. Throwing Dwight into the mix is going to change all that, particularly given the disrespect he apparently has for the Hawks.

p.s. I didn’t understand Ferry’s move to draft John Jenkins until the Johnson trade – and now it makes perfect sense. And kudos on moving Marvin for a point guard – and drafting Mike Scott, who is the direct opposite of Marvin . . . as in Mike Scott is a 6-8 do it all forward who did everything well – rebound, defend, hustle – except shoot the 3, while Marvin did nothing well as a forward – except shoot the 3.

p.p.s. I still can’t believe Ferry found a taker for the last $90 mil and 4 years on Joe’s contract. And I can’t believe the taker was his teammate at Duke in the late 80s (and defender extraordinaire), Billy King (the Nets GM) who graduated a year before Ferry.

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AJ, Kobe wanted Dwight to be the 3rd fiddle, not 2nd fiddle.

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I dont want Pau Gasol on this team,especially not for Josh. So we trade a swiss army knife for a tarnished butter knife. Ill roll with josh- attitude and all.

BG- I could say the same for DH12 who knows what his back is like right now.
Kwooden- Bynum has his flaws and so soes DH- ill take either -DH is the better player but Bynum is that far behind. Id rather have CP3 Bynum and use the 3 mill on a servicable vet SG Sf C….

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Ra’mon, fine… I trust Kobe when it comes to offensive basketball.

Mary, Ferry has talked about “building a program”. I don’t think he signed a 6-year deal because he is fixated on fixing home attendance from day one. I think he cleared all of this space 9for the summer of 2013) to have ultimate flexibility to build a program. A program doesn’t take short term gambles like trade Al and Teague to watch a player come for potentially a single season. A program approach is looking for sustainable success, not retooling every year or two based on the whim of a player.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDwOCr2IB4

drmaryb.(”"_*).

July 3rd, 2012
4:12 pm

Get That ISH outa’ Here!

“Josh for Pau? LMBAO, on so many levels.”

I co-sign drmaryb! lol!

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I think he cleared all of this space 9for the summer of 2013 – Astro

If you believe that, then why would agree with northcyde about the Josh-Pau trade? You do realize Pau has 2 years and almost 40mil left on his contract.

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Melvin, I said I thought of the Josh-Pau trade but decided against it. Isn’t that what I said?

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“Josh for Pau? LMBAO, on so many levels.”

A few days ago we were pondering the hell out of that trade. It’s good to laugh!

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@Astro Joe
Exactly what I was saying earlier. Get him now if he will extend.

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“Ill roll with josh- attitude and all.” – I mus write

So I mus, are you ok with Josh walking at the end of his contract?

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Melvin, I don’t think that requiring Howard to sign an extension before trading Horford, Teague and picks is unreasonable (especially since Orlando would try to send an awful contract with him). We have the ability to do big things next summer without absorbing bad contracts, so I don’t understand the reason for such a huge gamble. My guess, if we were required to trade Josh for CP3 who did not commit to a long term deal, many around here would balk. It makes NO sense to trade young, very good and affordable bigs for a hope. None.

Here’s the other thing, LD ain’t staying (that’s right, ain’t). So what are the chances that we get Howard and Ferry chooses a head coach he doesn’t like? Do we have any reason to believe that Howard may have issues with who coaches him? Or should Ferry, after watching how the Spurs have created a sustainable program, decide to turn over head coach hiring authority (or input) to Howard?

Too much risk.

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Too much risk and too many impatient, illogical, and desperate gamblers here today. Glad Ferry has more sense.

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Or even worse, LD stays because he allows the Atlanta Celtics to do anything they want (like the last few years with Josh). The Uncle Larry fandom grows (like a fungus).

Too much risk.

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Wait till the Utah fans get a load of Marvin Williams. LOL. If they think Devin Harris did not play to his potential, they are going to really get to see a guy who plays to his potential maybe 3 times a year. I think he has 2 years left on his deal, plus a player option which he will exercise, so really 3 years. LOL

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The Hawks DONT need Dwight Howard. Of course according to the nba association he is supposedly good: he keeps winning DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR AWARDS, DUNKER OF THE YEAR, SHOTBLOCKER OF THE YEAR AWARDS, and any awards that a tall statue, building or skyscraper would win, but does he win the MVP award, FINALS MVP or MOST IMPROVED PLAYER awards. In my opinion, those are the three most awards given out in the nba. Dwight will NEVER, EVER win most improved player, because like his childhood pal and streetbudy Josh Smith, Dwight is lazy and does nothing in the offseason to improve on his pathetic, boring game. JOSH SMITH AND DWIGHT HOWARD BOTH DESERVE each other, both have horrible work ethics and are too lazy to get better and imrpove. josh smith is a bum, a coward and a lazy influence on the team. smith should also be traded or cut immediately to improve the team.

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Melvin, I know what you are thinking, and no that was NOT me posting under a pseudonym.

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northcyde thanks for clarifying, i really liked the trevor ariza example as i think that was a relatively good assesment of what lead to that trade.
kevinM. i dont like josh at 3 either, i like teague at point josh at 4 and al at 5. we need zaza to be our backup C, and jenkins,scott,ivan,petro,stevenson,morrow,williams off the bench. id like to see devin harris get us a starter or two instead of be a packup to teague. i think our best solution and ive said it already is devin harris for kevin martin, both are on 1 year contracts and kevin wants out of HOU and we need someone who can score and get to the line and kevin martin can get us 18 3 3 a night just like joe did last year.

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Someone correct me if needed, but I think we’re currently committed to salaries that total:

53.5M (not counting Ivan, Jenkins, & Scott)

So, add 3M for these 3, and we’re around 56.5M?

Looks like we still have wiggle room for even this year if we stumble upon another vet.

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Astro Joe!

“A program doesn’t take short term gambles like trade Al and Teague to watch a player come for potentially a single season. A program approach is looking for sustainable success, not retooling every year or two based on the whim of a player.”
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When did I say Mr. Ferry should do that? Did you see my response to O’Brien’s direct question. You’re assuming Dwight will not sign an extension, I assume nothing. I clearly said, “If he does not, then move on.”

Forget about how long the GM will be here, why wait six years to do what you can do today? Dwight is being move today, next year is not a promise. I doubt The Magic will tour the globe another year in flux – I wouldn’t if D12 does not sign their extended-extension before the season begins.Would you?

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Mary, I’m not suggesting we wait 6 years. I am suggesting that we not trade Horford, teague and draft picks until Howard signs a little piece of paper.

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No one wants to play 2nd fiddle to Kobe any longer I know Gasol and Bynum do, but for them I don’t think it’s as much an issue since they already play there.

I’m saying from people outside of the Lakers Organization I wouldn’t want to play 2nd fiddle to Kobe if I don’t have too.

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Me Too!

“Mary, I’m not suggesting we wait 6 years. I am suggesting that we not trade Horford, teague and draft picks until Howard signs a little piece of paper.” – Astro Joe-
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Then we agree.

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Ray

co-sign bruh.

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Honestly if we go into the season with these pickups we still win in the long run.

At first when Ferry was given the 6 year contract I was like WTF like most people, but now after only 1 week I’m going to back off naming him Executive GM of the Year like I was when he first got rid of Joe and Marvin, but as a fan again you got to feel like the future is now brighter than ever.

Farmar also being brought out which gives us more money.

I don’t want to see Horford go, but if it is so Dwight comes to ATL then so be it what I don’t want is Jeff Teague included.

It’d be nice to have a Wake Forest Duo at PG in CP3 and Teague.

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@ STRETCH

Depends on how things shake out.

A lot of SF’s are gone off the market.

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@Stretch,

Well I think TMAC would be ideal to come back, but not sure LD wants him back or better yet, whether he wants to come back and play. I think LD probably will play, maybe start Josh at SF, it seems that Jenkins and Morrow are redundant, does he play a small lineup? Deshawn Stevenson could get a few minutes there, but only in limited minutes. Maybe they can get Pietrus on a 1 yr/3-4 M deal. That would be my preference.

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Here’s D12’s backup in Atlanta!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTnC0RBXwws&feature=fvwrel

LOL!

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I wonder if Farmar has actually been bought out yet, or if that’s scheduled for the 11th? In other words, can he be traded at his full $4.2M salary, or is he already a free agent?

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Peaches, Rush, and/or Gee are all better than Marvin.

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C Gasol
PF Horford
SF Petrus
SG Stevenson
PG Harris/Teague

This group, when healthy, gets u to the eastern conf. finals.

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1.Harris
2.Jenkins
3.FA
4.Smith
5.Howard

Would crush this weak team below.

C Gasol
PF Horford
SF Petrus
SG Stevenson
PG Harris/Teague

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Wouldn’t mind a Lewis, Josh, Al frontcourt
6-10, 6-9, 6-10

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Jeff Green would be a nice SF-6th man. He is probably the most mature swing player on the market.

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Will the hawks actually have a true center on the roster if this deal go through!! I had no idea that Jordan Williams was part of the deal. Maybe a project to work with.

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No Dwight has not killed anyone.
-but-
No all adolescents do not grow up.

Clearly, Dwight has some issues.
They may or may not be immaturity.

If one is looking at Dwight from a coaches perspective;
then you want no part of him,
unless you are Phil Jackson or possess a similar resume.

drmaryb – you said as much concerning Deron Williams
when he essentially caused Jerry Sloan to hang `em up.

Yawl say SVG is overbearing – yet LD is ” Uncle Larry ” ?
Neither approach has caused Josh to reach his full potential.

Basketball is and will always be a team sport.
Dwight pretty much cut off all accord, unity, and empathy
[with / from] his teammates in ORL.
due to the tumult he caused and spread.

Regardless of the amount of talent accrued within a team,
a cooperative effort of mutual understanding must be achieved
to complete the mission toward a common goal.

Dwight has not been a good teammate.
Dwight has not been coachable.
Dwight has not worked toward a common goal.
Dwight has not worked on his personal weaknesses
for the common good. *[e.g.; Free Throws] to name just one

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What about Dwight? He isn’t my problem!

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Horford has not been a good teammate.

Horford has not worked toward a common goal.

Horford has not worked on his personal weaknesses

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With all due respect, Josh Smith could never be a “starter” on a championship team. He simply lacks the “Basketball intelligence” to be a champion.

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Josh is more than likely the most intelligent player on this team, which is why hes the leader haters.

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when not if D12 comes home we will see a different player..He cant let down Mom and Pop? He just cant. Plus he will be playing beside his best friend and Best man?

When I played beside my best friend growing up you better believe I gave my all..Cause he did so I had too..D12 will do the same.

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Brooklyn is now the next superstar team.

D William, D12, Joe

I can see them winning atleast 2 NBA Titles.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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“I am suggesting that we not trade Horford, Teague and draft picks until Howard signs a little piece of paper.”

That something that will be discussed behind the scene. Just like last year this was in the works before Al stop the deal with his injury.

This trade might happen mid season. After all the chips fall in to place. In fact I new that was a smoke screen about Brooklyn. There is too much money that can and will be made paring Josh and D12 together in the ATL.

This city would be on fire!-

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*In fact I knew that was a smoke screen about Brooklyn.

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Deron Williams is staying with the Nets.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/
D!2 won’t be a Net

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If Derron Williams is staying and they got Joe Johnson wouldn’t they be over the cap Nets don’t have enough money to get D12 .

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Jerry West recruited and drafted Bynum who is his favorite. More? Howard is not that much better than Bynum to merit a trade. No, why would you trade for a guy who is only slightly better than what you already have?

More?

The :Lakers have lost interest in Howard who doesnt want to play in LA.

More?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-dwight-howard-to-the-lakers-not-so-fast-20120703,0,7220021.story

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Yea Grandad its been crazy around these parts on this blog..Moving at lightning speed…LOL!

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Good Stuff Mr. Griffin!

I still believe the ATL is the front runners for D12 services…Danny has got another rim rocker coming soon…

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The Hawks seem to have the best chance to get Howard with cap space the fact that Orlando wants Horford the Nets would have to get another team or two to make the trade happen for them .

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“Harden is a scrub with no game who was exposed in the Finals.”

Step away from the keyboard and put down the blunt.

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“Dwight`s not a Bad person:
Immature – not a leader ” for sure “, coupled with repugnant advisors;
poor guy is in a bad situation.”

All that aside, he is still easily one of the top ten players in the league. Talent wins in the NBA. Get him here and then figure out the leadership stuff later.

CP3 would make a pretty damn good leader, just saying.

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Will any of the core be left here next year?

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“the Nets could also trade Teletovic to the Magic, along with Wallace, Brooks, Lopez and fillers, and clear enough room to offer vet minimum contracts to more known guys”

Can’t trade Teletovic (or any other newly signed player for that matter) until three months after he signs.

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For the record here is the differences between D12 and Bynum on paper:

pts Howard: 20.6; Bynum: 18.7

field-goal percentage Howard: 57.3%; Bynum: 55.8%,

rebounds Howard: 14.5; Bynum: 11.8

player efficiency Howard: 26.4; Bynum: 24.2

Thats not enough of a reason to trade your player. They are almost a wash and cancel each other out.

You talk about D12 behavior. Alot of that was done to force management to make a trade. Who has time for games? Dwight wants a ring.

But if Dwight is a head case, well so is Bynum Consider:

“He seriously undermined his breakout season by having a poisonous attitude. Bynum took an ill-advised three-pointer in one game, then proclaimed he’d keep shooting more. Bynum routinely stood out of team huddles, insisting he wanted to get “my Zen on.” The Lakers fined Bynum for various transgressions, including missing a meeting with Kupchak. He annoyed teammates and personnel alike by playing loud music in the locker room before games. And the worst of all, Bynum admitted in all the Lakers’ loss to Denver in the postseason that he lacked the necessary effort. It’s possible Bynum could eventually grow into that. But he’s already a seven-year veteran. With the Lakers’ championship window closing, they can’t afford to go through another season where Bynum’s “figuring things out.”

So why would Orlando trade 1 head case for another? Or the Lakers? The facts are D12 fits best in the ATL where hed be at home.

The tough part is to get a coach that can be smart enough to draw the x/o’s but man enough to work with two great stars and not try to “handle” them.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-la-should-the-lakers-trade-andrew-bynum-for-dwight-howard-poll-20120702,0,2842601.story

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“Would you prefer Bynum or Howard ”

For injury reasons alone, Howard….?

Didnt Howard Just have Back surgery with a bulging disk?

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Didn’t Al participate on the team that beat the magic the following year??

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“It’s possible Bynum could eventually grow into that. But he’s already a seven-year veteran. With the Lakers’ championship window closing, they can’t afford to go through another season where Bynum’s “figuring things out.”

LOL, don’t the Hawks have their own head case who, after 7 (or is it 8?) years in the league is still “figuring things out”. But that’s fine when it’s Josh, but not so fine when it’s somebody who threatens your wet dream. SMGDH.

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And that sick self destructing Al whining ass Hoford always crying about playing Josh’s position and arguing in the locker room. Then brings in his pappy to beg. Man, Al sure aint a team player. Too Selfish, not team oriented.

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Majik this is what Im co-signing:

We don’t want Al Horford, we already saw him fail in the playoffs against us year before last. 6′7″ Brandon Bass shut him down, but you nitwits think that Hennigan is stupid enough to take Horford and Teague, and a pick, when the Nets offer Lopez, Brooks, Humphries and 2 first rounders?

But for the record D12 aint going to Brooklyn . That door is closed.

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MajikMan also has never heard of cap which the Nets are over since they were stupid enough take JJ contract .

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Melvin, as I was saying earlier…
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Dallas is considering this too: Take a step back, clear cap space for the summer of 2013 and chase free agents Dwight Howard and Chris Paul.

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Dr. Mary, sign my name across your heart, girlfriend. I ain’t got nothin’ but love for you baby.

But I don’t want Dwight… he’s showing too many signs of instability in the last 6-9 months.

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Has Bynum ever said he would sign an extension in Orlando? If you’re Orlando wouldn’t that be important? Bynum has always played for the Lakers, is he supposed to just sign long term with a rebuilding team like the Magic? Why wouldn’t he want to go to Dallas next summer?

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Najeh,

Not really. It just means they will suck for one year and be in position to draft a superstar..

If Hawks trade for Dwight, they will have to give up Horford, Teague AND 2 first round picks (imo). And when we do get a draft pick, not every draft has a superstar.

With the Nets probably out of the running for Dwight, Orlando is in a position of weakness. If I’m the Hawks, I would try and get Dwight to sign an extension before trading for him. And we can sell him on having even more cap space next summer to go after another player (like CP3, or Harden).

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@Just Joe

No never thought about that…..

Point taken.

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cuban with two huge blunders, not signing steve nash and not keeping chandler. both are pure pros and gamers.

dmb, it isnt a boys league and i am not sure d12 knows that yet. i think josh understands it more than dwight does. finally lbj knows as he had to learn a little grit and grind. in golf you admire the grinders who stay with it even when there game isnt all there. really tiger was among the best of them though he can sure turn it to where he has never hit a bad shot, like last week when he fluffed a sand shot and said his 60 degree wasnt made for that. what is a 60 degree for but sand and if it is too fluffy then choose the right club a 56 degree sand wedge? funny, but he never said it was him missing a shot. since it isnt a team game golfers have to do that bballers cant do it as much because it sounds like blaming others which d12 has done.

i digress only to say that folks can avoid the truth but to win you got to grind hard and a lot of these guys coming up never have to do it. i want men on my team or boys quickly growing into it like durant and rose. love those two guys in every way as ballers. i think jbl may have gotten it as well by his focus and his showing a little more love in his game this year as he put it.

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Astro,

I still say the team with cap space is at a disadvantage b/c of the bird rights. That extra year and cash is hard for most players to pass up….

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Just Joe

Then word is Bynum would want a new contract with some length to it. But it still may not make since for Orlando because Bynum is as much a head case as D12, so what makes Orlando think things will be different? Bynum is going to want to win another championship and if Orlando doesnt put the right players in place that will spell trouble.

I got a real good hunch. the Bynum for D12 trade aint happening….

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In fact Orlando’s best trade may be the one they tried to make last year and get Al Horford back home. Hes a lot easier to manage than the super star and super talented players.

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Nice Doc!

doc

July 3rd, 2012
9:05 pm

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From espn.com;

Former Northwestern Wildcats forward John Shurna has signed to play with the Atlanta Hawks in the upcoming Las Vegas NBA summer league..

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/6297/shurna-to-play-for-hawks-in-summer-league/

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Astro Joe

” I don’t want Dwight ”

If that was really you ?
It`s hard to tell with the imposter runnin` around.

I`m glad to have a comrade in this debate.

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Deron had to choose between 4 years, $75 mil with the Mavs, and 5 years, $98 mil with Nets. Is anyone surprised he chose the Nets (especially after Wallace and JJ were added to the team)?

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EmirS.

July 3rd, 2012
8:59 pm

“@Reality Check

you can’t be serious….

I’m done…just wow.”

Emir, that wasn’t me that was the Horford hating troll. In fact all of the Horford hating posts tonight are by the same troll who loves to steal the handle of anyone who dares disagree with him. He’s the one pestering Grandad with the Sandusky BS. He’s also the one posting as Andy Griffith, among dozens of other handles. If you cross him, he’ll steal your handle to say things that you never would have. That’s his M.O.

It’s highly likely that he’ll steal my handle again tonight, as he did twice earlier (8:43 and 8:58).

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G’dad, yessir, I don’t want Dwight. See above… (and doc’s fine post as well).

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A poll at the Bleacher Report article referenced above asks which team Howard will start for at the beginning of the 2012-13 NBA season. Right now, the Lakers are winning the vote by a landslide at 40.5 percent with the Hawks at 23.9 percent of the votes and the Nets at 21.1 percent of votes.

Sports fans, what do you think? Will Howard ultimately land in Atlanta or Brooklyn, or will the Lakers manage to get him aligned with Kobe for another championship run?

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NBA Trade Rumors 2012: Dwight Howard to Atlanta Hawks from Orlando Magic?
July 03, 2012 08:31 PM EDT

The latest of the NBA trade rumors and news for 2012 continues to involve Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard. While he wants to play for the Brooklyn Nets, and there’s word that the Los Angeles Lakers are interested in trading Bynum for Howard, the Hawks could be the team that ends up with D-Howard.

Recent Dwight Howard rumors and news involved the big man flat out demanding to be sent to Brooklyn from Orlando. While most people would want it the other way around based on climate and scenery, Howard wants that championship ring which he could achieve with Deron Williams at the point.

An article from Bleacher Report speculates on the potential for a move of Howard to the Hawks, based on Atlanta recently sending Joe Johnson to Brooklyn. The article notes that Sam Amick of Sports Illustrated has said the Hawks are “in the mix” for D-Howard. Also of note, Howard is from Atlanta, and also friends with Josh Smith and Anthony Morrow, whom the Hawks recently acquired.

So what would the Hawks have as trade value for this deal? Possibly Al Horford and Jeff Teague as well as other expiring contracts. While those don’t sound too exciting on their face, Horford is a rising star and top power forward in the league, as well as a former All-Star. The Magic would certainly be able to use him in building a new contending team.

However, another thing to consider is that quite possibly the Nets are bringing in the names they are in an effort to woo the Magic with some top-notch veterans in Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace. Could these two be part of the trade bait they are putting together for the Magic, or maybe even to swing a multi-team deal with another team? It always gets interesting around this time of year, and with the Miami Heat talking about adding another star to their elite roster, it’s making plenty of sense that teams like the Hawks and Nets both want Howard.

A poll at the Bleacher Report article referenced above asks which team Howard will start for at the beginning of the 2012-13 NBA season. Right now, the Lakers are winning the vote by a landslide at 40.5 percent with the Hawks at 23.9 percent of the votes and the Nets at 21.1 percent of votes.

Sports fans, what do you think? Will Howard ultimately land in Atlanta or Brooklyn, or will the Lakers manage to get him aligned with Kobe for another championship run?

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Sorry guys I tried to paste the link but it kept getting block so I posted the story… its 25 minutes old

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