Atlanta Hawks: What about Dwight?

Almost immediately after Hawks GM Danny Ferry took what were most definitely not half measures the speculation turned to whether it’s all just a prelude to a trade for Dwight Howard.

All of the usual dots have been connected: Howard wants out of Orlando, Howard is from Atlanta, and he’s boys with Josh Smith. But the one blank I have yet to see filled in is a desire by Howard to play for his hometown franchise over the long term.

In fact, the only thing I’ve ever heard is the opposite. Howard used to regularly attend Dream games at Phillips Arena during summers. Witnesses tell me that Howard would tell anyone who would listen that Philips is supposed to be his house but “they don’t know how to act.” And by “they” he of course means the team’s owners and management.

And then there were Howard’s comments during the 2011 playoffs, when he said he hates losing, “especially to the Hawks.” Asked to elaborate, Howard, annoyed by the question, snapped: “Come on. You know the answer to that.”

The answer is that Howard, like his pal Smith, doesn’t view the Hawks as a serious franchise. Or at least he didn’t back then. Obviously Danny Ferry is trying to change the perception of the Hawks, so maybe Howard (and/or Smith) changes his mind.

There’s been no word that’s happened so far, though. Howard still wants a trade to the Nets, who now are in no hurry to move him.

The Magic and Hawks had trade discussions over the past week involving Howard and I’m sure they are ongoing. But I don’t think Ferry is willing to trade Al Horford and the four years remaining on his reasonable contract for one year of Howard and all the associated drama.

The Hawks had serious trade discussions with Orlando for Howard back in December, the early days of the Dwightmare. Atlanta apparently was willing to make the deal without an assurance that Howard would even opt-in for next season. Horford was the main piece in that proposed deal.

But I don’t see the Hawks as being willing to trade for Howard without a long-term commitment now. That’s especially true if Orlando, as reported, is looking to unload one of its bad contracts as part of any deal for Howard.

The Hawks clearly would do that if Howard declares he’ll sign an extension here. Until that happens I doubt Howard will have a homecoming.

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KevinM

July 4th, 2012
9:16 pm

Is there a scenario that allows us to keep Teague now that my guy, Nash, is out of the equation?

Josh and D12 def need a reliable PG to get them the rock.

Blast

July 4th, 2012
9:22 pm

Nash to Lakers for four draft picks. How do the Lakers keep making deals like this? Trading picks, no matter how high for top level talent? Hawks should borrow a leaf. LA did the same crap to get Gasol! And tried the same sh!t to get Chris Paul.

KevinM

July 4th, 2012
9:26 pm

Still looking for a distributor for our big men.

Can anyone say Lou Williams? Because the D12 deal won’t be enough. Moving Teague means a big void once again.

Just Joe

July 4th, 2012
9:26 pm

Phoenix did it as favor for Nash. He wanted to go to a contender and he wanted to stay close to his kids. This is what Nash wanted. Phoenix gets 4 draft picks and a $9M trade exception.

Blast

July 4th, 2012
9:31 pm

That was a mighty generous gesture by Phoenix, cos they could have got a ton for Nash. So they are rebuilding, but still…

My problem is not with the Suns, it’s why Lakers can get away with such daylight robbery every other year.

BBIB

July 4th, 2012
9:36 pm

You absolutely have to make this deal

People are saying “We can’t afford to risk losing Horford and Smith”

IN reality we can’t afford to NOT make this deal if we want to be proactive and contend for a championship

Why just hope and wish that Chris Paul signs here next year when we can MAKE something happen?

Is it a risk? Sure. But is it any bigger risk than hoping Josh Smith re-signs with this team if
we announce we are in rebuilding mode?

But more than anything, isn’t the goal to win a championship?

Haven’t Hawks fanse complained in the 90s and in the late 2000s that they were sick and tired
of early playoff exits?

Well guess what? To win a championship you need a superstar. And if we have a chance to
get one, you have to take it.

You can just hope and wish you get one next year when that is totally out of your control and there
are several locations that player can end up (Chris Paul)

You make it happen. Proactive people in live happen to stuff they don’t wait for stuff to happen

Ray

July 4th, 2012
9:40 pm

Nash I can understand going to either Boston or L.A

I think he wants the ring and guess where it’s easy to get it at right at this point in his career either place.

Melvin

July 4th, 2012
9:42 pm

I don’t know why some folks do not understand that if Josh and Dwight sign a contract extension before the end of the 2012-13 season, they will not be eligible for a 5yr contract. They can only sign a 4yr contract extension prior to becoming a UFA next summer. No way either guy will pass up that money on the 5th yr. So expecting them to sign a contract extension now is foolish. Even if Dwight get traded to the Nets this season, he will wait until next summer to resign with them. That’s why I would prefer the Hawks to acquire Howard now, so they can have his bird rights for next summer. Having his (and Josh) bird rights will allow them to offer him a 5yr contract with the most money (like they did with Joe Johnson) while other teams can only offer him a 4yr contract. If you were Josh or Dwight, would you leave millions of dollars on the table?

EmirS.

July 4th, 2012
9:42 pm

Well if the Hawks don’t win the Championship then I hope the Lakers get it. I don’t think anyone more then Nash deserves a ring at this point.

Melvin

July 4th, 2012
9:47 pm

Earlier today the Knicks were the front runners for Nash. By the end of the day, Nash gets traded to the Lakers. The great organizations do not passed up an opportunity to acquire a player they convey. Too many dynamics can happen during the course of a season, you have to strike when you have the chance.

EmirS.

July 4th, 2012
9:47 pm

Question:

Can Kobe play with a real PG?

Answer:

Can LeBron and Wade play together in the backcourt to win a ring?

That being a segway….Howard and Smith will have no problems playing in the frontcourt together. When you are good…..then you’re good. You’ll find a way to get your stat box filled and still contribute to the team. Stop worrying whether they can co-exist.

Blast

July 4th, 2012
9:48 pm

Most subdued 4th of July I ever experienced after living in Atlanta for 15 years. Fireworks going off now, but they are late, infrequent, and muted.

Northcyde, even though we don’t have such laws here in GA, I feel you, though, because I can see those ordinances coming soon to GA….

A Red State.

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
9:52 pm

We need to move Josh Smith next! Offer LA Josh and Hinrich for Pau. That is a “solid” win for both
organizations…

EmirS.

July 4th, 2012
9:54 pm

I’m jumping on the bandwagon of lets get Howard NOW!

I’m getting worried about the Nets now. Reports are with the Nets reconstructing Mirza Teletovic’s contract…they are able to pursue Howard again. I do NOT want to face D-Will, JJ, AND Howard. Last night I was confident there is no way the Nets land Howard….now I’m biting my nails. It’s a bad habit, I know.

Also Mirza Teletovic is Bosnian. As am I. It’s rare to see anyone from Bosnia recruited into the NBA. Mr. Teletovic just got himself a fan.

Slimjr

July 4th, 2012
9:56 pm

I cant believe I agree with Northcyde today? Huh? Dude was nailing those bombs from long distance! Outstanding stuff ref. D12 and the Hawks..

Keep ISO ,Marvin, ALL Get Real and the streak continues….zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

44 years and not one lousy ECF visit? Haven’t you had enough of that Bull chit?

Danny is on a mission to take this Franchise far beyond where its never been:

TO AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP and win the darn thing!!!!!!!!

You got to do it now. Pull the trigger and bring that Super Star home whose game is built for the Finals. Tomorrow is no guarantee! Just suck it up and enjoy the ride!

Slimjr

July 4th, 2012
10:01 pm

If the Nets land D12 it will be a long season for us fans..Boston, Philly, Indian, Knicks, Nets, Chicago, and Miami are ahead….

We’re an 8th seed who may meet the Knicks in the 1st rd? If we even make it..How ironic that would be? Wow…

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
10:01 pm

PG Teague/Harris/Pargo
SG Stevenson/Morrow/Jenkins
SF Rashard Lewis/Ivan Johnson
PF Horford/Mike Scott
C Gasol/Petro/Zsa Zsa/Jordan Williams

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
10:07 pm

Slimjr

July 4th, 2012
9:56 pm

Danny is on a mission to take this Franchise far beyond where its never been:

TO AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP and win the darn thing!!!!!!!!

You got to do it now. Pull the trigger and bring that Super Star home whose game is built for the Finals. Tomorrow is no guarantee! Just suck it up and enjoy the ride!

Dwight Howard is an immature “crybaby” The Atlanta Hawks will be just fine without “Big Baby Howard” Howard is like a teenage “girl’ he is emotional and cannot make a decision. Maybe he had his period.

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
10:07 pm

Slimjr

July 4th, 2012
9:56 pm

Danny is on a mission to take this Franchise far beyond where its never been:

TO AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP and win the darn thing!!!!!!!!

You got to do it now. Pull the trigger and bring that Super Star home whose game is built for the Finals. Tomorrow is no guarantee! Just suck it up and enjoy the ride!

Dwight Howard is an immature “crybaby” The Atlanta Hawks will be just fine without “Big Baby Howard” Howard is like a teenage “girl’ he is emotional and cannot make a decision. Maybe he had his period.

ryan

July 4th, 2012
10:07 pm

Come on Hawks get something done the trades would have meant nothing if Hawks sit there do nothing all hell will break loose .

Rev in Tampa

July 4th, 2012
10:13 pm

Josh and Kirk for Gasol.

No thanks

northcyde

July 4th, 2012
10:16 pm

The NBA is a nuclear arms race. And it’s a distinct reason why some franchises always stay in the mix, while others are always on the outside looking in. You simply cannot control where a star player wants to go. I don’t care how many rules you put into place.

The Charlotte Bobcats could’ve offered Nash a 3 year – 45 million deal, and he still wouldn’t choose Charlotte over the Lakers. At some point in these great players careers, the money isn’t the only thing that drives them to making a decision.

PG: Nash
G: Kobe
F: MWP
PF: Gasol
C: Bynum

No need to make a trade to break up the frontline now. You have the 2nd greatest PnR PG in the history of basketball on your team . . with a SG that may be aging, but still a top 10 player . . and 2 of the top 10 frontline players in the league.

Now, all Kobe has to do is let Nash run the show, and Kobe to pick and choose his spots to dominate a game. And even when Kobe goes into ISO mode, Nash is one of the best shooters in the league in making a spot up jumper.

This may even quiet the Lakers from getting into the Dwight Howard sweepstakes. LOL . . it’s looking more and more like the Hawks might be the ONLY option he has.

Something tells me that the Magic still won’t make the trade, and will not only keep him in Orlando this year, but try to re-sign him at the end of the year. The Magic and Howard are looking for the perfect deal. Meanwhile, these teams aren’t going to put their lives on hold waiting on them.

northcyde

July 4th, 2012
10:19 pm

The Lakers could give a damn about a Luxury Tax, or the penalties. With a 150 million a year cable TV deal, who cares if they have to sign a 10 – 20 million tax bill over to the league. They could care less, because they are the Lakers.

Should’ve never had a strike.

Slimjr

July 4th, 2012
10:24 pm

This may become more common if he comes here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDwOCr2IB4

No thanks. Not buying….

Rev in Tampa

July 4th, 2012
10:24 pm

Danny Ferry had the pieces to offer to Pheonix for Nash but then he would have empty pockets when it comes time to land the bigger prize. I think a deal will be offered soon to Orlando.

Make thats Change

July 4th, 2012
10:32 pm

Dwight can make a Ton of money in the ATL. There would be sooo many commercials and undoubtedly a movie or two about Josh an D12, Dwight could easily run for mayor, senator congressman. Dwight could very very easily make 50 to 75 million in endorsement and movies just by teaming up with Josh in the ATL.

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
10:36 pm

Listen up scrubs…Dwight Howard is HIGHLY OVERRATED, PERIOD!!! I am sick and tired of Dwight”The Diva Brett Farve” Howard and his Soap Opera Act..

Slimjr

July 4th, 2012
10:39 pm

[Indiana]^^^^^^

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
10:42 pm

Rev in Tampa

July 4th, 2012
10:13 pm

Josh and Kirk for Gasol.

No thanks

Rev…This is a deal we need to pray for… Could you ever see Josh making a game winning play in the nba finals? PLEASE..

SteveW

July 4th, 2012
10:43 pm

I remember when the Miami Heat were in full pursue LeBron mode. They were trading Micheal Beasley, a #2 pick who still has some potential, for a 2nd rounder. Renouncing folks. Gonna be left with Carlos Arroyo and Mario Chalmers, who at that time was pretty bad, at the PG. Joel Anthony at C.

And Lebron wasn’t even for sure going there. They were just trying to get cap space so they could sign him.

I thought how stupid Miami was. Blowing up there team, getting rid of decent talent for a chance.

2 Finals and 1 Championship later, they don’t look so stupid.

Forget who your favorite players are and get Dwight.

Dwight, Smoove, Morrow, Ivan, Harris, Farmar, Jenkins, Scott, Petro, Stevenson, Williams, Your Mid Level and Your Bi-Annual is a fantastic team.

And you still have bucks to sign James Harden, CP3 or whoever next summer if you can.

So what if Dwight walks next summer to Brooklyn. You still have great options:

1) Try to re-sign Josh, since there is no way he follows Dwight to Brooklyn, and you have Josh’s Bird rights – then build around Josh.

2) Let Josh walk or he leaves on his own – and all you have under contract is your mid – level, bi – annual, and John Jenkins. In other words under 10 m.

Then go sign 3 max FA’s, or a whole ton of 10 million dollar guys. If Harden does become a FA, and you convince say, he, Ibaka, and Al Jefferson to come be a nucleus, and still have some money and players around them – hey, that’s not so bad.

But as constructed, we are stuck in mediocrity into the forseeable future. The NBA’s idea of purgatory. Too good with Al, Smoove, and Teague to be terrible. But not good enough to win anything, probably not even a playoff series.

SteveW

July 4th, 2012
10:46 pm

Kevin M – You could see if Orlando would take Harris and Farmar (don’t buy him out) instead of Teague in a deal.

SteveW

July 4th, 2012
10:53 pm

If we roll into next season the way we are, lose Smoove to FA, we have bucks to offer Al Jefferson and CP3 next season. James Harden, Ibaka, Taj Gibson – you get the picture.

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
10:53 pm

Let us collectively “PRAY” that this Outstanding new General Manager bring in 3 pointer extraordinare, Rashard Lewis..He will be in my prayers for the Atlanta basketball Hawks 2-night.
Also, Mickeal Pietrus would be a super nice addition to this group.

SteveW

July 4th, 2012
10:55 pm

NC – Hoopshype is reporting that Nash is trying to convince Grant Hill to join them. He’s still a good backup 3.

LA is relevant again.

And I still don’t think they can beat OKC

SteveW

July 4th, 2012
10:56 pm

Kobe, Gasol, and MWP are all another year older – as is Nash.

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
10:59 pm

Both plays were “Offensive fouls” by Blake Griffin.The officials were absolutely horrible for not making the right call. Atrocious perfermance by those NBA referees….

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
11:02 pm

Slimjr

July 4th, 2012
10:24 pm

This may become more common if he comes here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDwOCr2IB4

No thanks. Not buying….

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
10:59 pm

Both plays were “Offensive fouls” by Blake Griffin.The officials were absolutely horrible for not making the right call. Atrocious perfermance by those NBA referees….

KevinM

July 4th, 2012
11:04 pm

“SteveW

July 4th, 2012
10:46 pm
Kevin M – You could see if Orlando would take Harris and Farmar (don’t buy him out) instead of Teague in a deal”

Steve, haven’t we written off Farmar already?

Plus, ORL isn’t letting us keep Teague, hence the need big time for a PG. You can leave this in the hands of Devin Harris. Let him help, but go get Jason Kidd for help at least….that’s going to be as important as getting D12 here.

Nash telling people he wanted no part of LAL….doesn’t that tell you to quit listening to the player?

I tell you, getting Nash doesn’t make LAL any younger…isn’t that the reason they lost to OKC in the 1st place?
For any team that would deal with LAL or Boston, you get what you deserve!

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
11:16 pm

Hawks should make a strong effort to bring in a wing defender. Mickael Pietrus is one of the few wings who can “D-up” Lebron James….

steven a smith

July 4th, 2012
11:19 pm

Nash will never be able to guard Westbrook. The Lakers may win “2″ playoff games against OKC.
That’s a pretty BIG maybe..

Old Coach

July 4th, 2012
11:25 pm

Trade all 3
1. Joe, Marvin & Josh

Keep
Center- Dwight
Power Forward – Al & Johnson
Point Guard – Jeff & Harris
Shooting Guard – Jenkins & Lou William
Small Forward – Free Agent & 2nd Round pick
We can take a hit one year.
Finish building the team next year with all the freed up salary cap room.
Go ahead and trade Josh ASAP.

KevinM

July 4th, 2012
11:29 pm

SAS, perhaps a team effort to limit LeBron. Does Stevenson have enough left? I realize his offense is non-existent, but he was the key for Dallas in their scheme. Perhaps Pietrus could help, along with slowing down Boston.
Right now, if we make only one more move, get a feel on Brandon Roy and his re-gen’d knees. I would think his value is MLE at best because of the uncertainty.

Melvin

July 4th, 2012
11:30 pm

Mavs doesn’t get Deron or Nash but hey, they still have cap space….

Melvin

July 4th, 2012
11:35 pm

My goodness, HASHEEM THABEET has agree to a 2yr contract with OKC on the 4th day of free agency. Didn’t know he was that high in demand….

Hawks Fan

July 4th, 2012
11:35 pm

Love what Ferry has done so far.. I think we should just wait till free Agency. If we can get dwight or CP3 then we do not have to trade Horford because obviously Teague, Dwight, and Josh alone are not going to win a ring, but if we still have Horford then its a different story.

Here comes Dwight to Play with Josh!

July 4th, 2012
11:41 pm

Melvin

July 4th, 2012
11:41 pm

KevinM,

If the Hawks go after a SG, then I hope its OJ Mayo or even JR Smith.

O'Brien

July 4th, 2012
11:43 pm

I don’t think Orlando has much of a trade market for Howard. If you’re the Lakers, no way are you giving up Bynum AND draft picks for Howard, since LA just gave up 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks for Nash. And the Lakers are not taking back any of Orlando’s bad contracts.

Orlando does not want Humphries from BK, since they have Glen Davis for cheap (and they want to keep Ryan Anderson). And Lopez might not agree to a SNT to Orlando anyways. Also, if the Nets have JJ, Deron, Gerald Wallace and D12, their draft pick will probably be in the early 20’s (not very attractive). Houston may have assets, but I don’t think they are a good match either. So who else is left? The Hawks.

The Hawks can offer Horford, Teague, Zaza, and 2 first round picks (including Houston’s pick, which could be in the 15-18 range).

And I have come around to the dark side. If I’m Ferry, I make the move even without D12 signing an extension. And I think making that move would show Josh that ownership is more committed than before. However, what I would do is talk to Josh, and see if he is willing to (unofficially) commit to staying with the Hawks when his contract is up, and also be willing to try and convince D12 to stay.

Is it a huge risk? Sure. But if D12 decides to leave next year, Hawks should be able to get a SNT deal done with whoever wants him. If it is the Nets (who will not have the salary cap space to sign him outright), we can send D12 there for Lopez, Brooks, and multiple first round picks

Because what good is salary cap space if players don’t sign with us. CP3, Bynum, Harden may all stay with their current teams. And the other free agents out there will only help us get back to the middle of the pack, which is where we were for the last 5 years.

Go For it Hawks.

O'Brien

July 4th, 2012
11:46 pm

KevinM,

Suns were going to lose Nash to either Knicks, Raptors, Mavs or Lakers. At least this way, they get 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and don’t back any salary.

Melvin,

OKC will amnesty Perkins, and make Thabeet their starting center. I think he will lead them to a championship :smile:

And then they will be able to afford Harden and Ibaka.

Here comes Dwight to Play with Josh!

July 4th, 2012
11:51 pm