Atlanta Hawks: What about Dwight?

Almost immediately after Hawks GM Danny Ferry took what were most definitely not half measures the speculation turned to whether it’s all just a prelude to a trade for Dwight Howard.

All of the usual dots have been connected: Howard wants out of Orlando, Howard is from Atlanta, and he’s boys with Josh Smith. But the one blank I have yet to see filled in is a desire by Howard to play for his hometown franchise over the long term.

In fact, the only thing I’ve ever heard is the opposite. Howard used to regularly attend Dream games at Phillips Arena during summers. Witnesses tell me that Howard would tell anyone who would listen that Philips is supposed to be his house but “they don’t know how to act.” And by “they” he of course means the team’s owners and management.

And then there were Howard’s comments during the 2011 playoffs, when he said he hates losing, “especially to the Hawks.” Asked to elaborate, Howard, annoyed by the question, snapped: “Come on. You know the answer to that.”

The answer is that Howard, like his pal Smith, doesn’t view the Hawks as a serious franchise. Or at least he didn’t back then. Obviously Danny Ferry is trying to change the perception of the Hawks, so maybe Howard (and/or Smith) changes his mind.

There’s been no word that’s happened so far, though. Howard still wants a trade to the Nets, who now are in no hurry to move him.

The Magic and Hawks had trade discussions over the past week involving Howard and I’m sure they are ongoing. But I don’t think Ferry is willing to trade Al Horford and the four years remaining on his reasonable contract for one year of Howard and all the associated drama.

The Hawks had serious trade discussions with Orlando for Howard back in December, the early days of the Dwightmare. Atlanta apparently was willing to make the deal without an assurance that Howard would even opt-in for next season. Horford was the main piece in that proposed deal.

But I don’t see the Hawks as being willing to trade for Howard without a long-term commitment now. That’s especially true if Orlando, as reported, is looking to unload one of its bad contracts as part of any deal for Howard.

The Hawks clearly would do that if Howard declares he’ll sign an extension here. Until that happens I doubt Howard will have a homecoming.

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Macaroni Tony

July 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

I so happy that JJ and MW is gone until I’m having sweet dreams. Now if we could get DH that would make my year.

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

And it unless Derrick Williams improves alot – he was somewhat of a bust last season at the 2 pick. Horrid from the 3 point line, which was supposedly his bread and butter – and not much of a rebounder down low.

He may be another Beasley kinda bust as a #2 pick. I’m not sold on him yet.

Melvin

July 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

Astro,

I like OJ Mayo as well. I wonder if he would accept a 1yr contract around 5-6 mil or who he accept a multiple year contract with a team option for year 2. That way, the Hawks will have the option to get rid of him next season if they need his cap space.

KevinM

July 3rd, 2012
10:28 pm

Let me ask about Miami matchups……

How about…

Josh vs. Bosh or Haslem
Stevenson vs LeBron
We still gotta find a defender vs. Wade

Perhaps Josh vs. LeBron inside…Stevenson vs Wade with that shift.

Miami would have to find a defender vs. D12.

I like the possibilities here already. This might be doable, and bring JRich with D12 to help even more.

Astro Joe

July 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

Melvin, that’s a good point, I don’t know how extensions work anymore. I think technically, it is a new contract (with new terms) attached to the existing one. So technically, Josh would NOT be on a 6-year deal (if he were to sign an extension) but he would be finishing his previous contract with a new one that starts in ‘13-14 season. But I could be wrong about that.

I understand the excitement of experience UFA. They just have to also understand the risks. Teams will find a way to create cap space for players like that but it may not be the preferred team. Assuming Howard truly wanted to go to the Nets, that boat has now sailed. He has to create a new list.

Just Joe

July 3rd, 2012
10:31 pm

KevinM….Pape Sy will be our Wade stopper.

Astro Joe

July 3rd, 2012
10:34 pm

Melvin, Mayo should be able to do better than that (only one guaranteed year), but you never know.

Okay, Sandman just posted me up in the low post and slammed on my head.

Chat tomorrow good people. And like that FoxSports South special on Marvin Williams, I’m gone.

O'Brien

July 3rd, 2012
10:35 pm

From sekou Smith on NBA.com;

(Howard went to former Magic GM Otis Smith on more than one occasion and to inquire about the Magic making a move to get Smith to join him in Orlando, according to two people familiar with the situation. But the subject of a potential reunion in their hometown was never discussed.).

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/07/02/hawks-ferry-clearing-space-for-a-run-at-dwight-howard-now-or-in-2013/

If Josh wants to stay in ATL, would he be enough to convince Dwight to come to ATL?

Big Ray

July 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

KevinM,

Josh would have to learn to defend on the perimeter and close out on jumpshooters like Bosh…something he hasn’t been good at.

Also, trading away Teague with Horford to get Dwight means trading away a quick, penetrating pg who can hold his own on defense when his head’s in the game. Where do we get another guy like that? Besides, a decent PG is a threat to Miami…it’s one of their few weaknesses.

Just Joe

July 3rd, 2012
10:36 pm

Defenders: Sy, Stevenson, Ivan, Josh, Pachulia

Shooters: Morrow, Jenkins, Scott, Butch, Horford

PG’s: Teague, Harris

Suits: Petro, J. Williams

Big Ray

July 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm

I can’t see renting Dwight. Either you get him to sign an extension, or no deal at all. Sorry, but the “trade for him then hope to convince him” thing does not work for me. Dwight doesn’t even know what HE wants, how can anybody ELSE know? He’s a diva that can’t be trusted, and after all the things he said about Hawks ownership/management, would you really believe he’d change his schizophrenic tune? One never knows….but I wouldn’t roll the dice on it. We don’t have a Mark Cuban around here to do that…

Big Ray

July 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm

But clearly Joe is a goner…DWilliams re-upped with the Nets. They’ll be whipping OUR butts this coming season if our team sticks at face value…

Macaroni Tony

July 3rd, 2012
10:50 pm

@ Just Joe, I would like if the Hawks could sign John Shurna

Slimjr

July 3rd, 2012
10:51 pm

Would be great if Danny can get this D12 trade done by the end of the week!

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
10:51 pm

So the Hawks have $53,344,021.00 committed to 10 players next season. The 10 players are:

Al
ZaZa
Josh
Jeff Teague
Devin Harris
Anthony Morrow
DeShawn Stevenson
Ivan (This assumes Ivan signs for 1 mill)
Johan Petro
Jordan Williams

This also assumes reports are true that we buy out Farmar for 1.5 mill instead of paying him his 4.25 mill. I sure wish we’d trade him instead.

And that DeShawn Stevenson signed for about 1.2 mill as part of the trade.

So the numbers are approximate.

Then we also have 2 draft picks, and we’ll assume they make the team. Jenkins and Scott.

So now we are at 55,017,021 after adding their approximate 1.673 mill combined to the total.

So if the cap is 56 mill like is assumed it will be – somewhere around that – we can spend up to that no questions asked.

Then we still have our mid-level and our bi-annual to use.

So as the team is currently constructed, if we play big, we play:

ZaZa/Petro
Al/Ivan
Josh/Stevenson’
Morrow/Jenkins
Teague/Harris

With Jordan Williams (F/C) and Mike Scott (F) off the bench.

If we play small we play:

Al/ZaZa/Petro
Josh/Ivan/Jordan/Scott
Stevenson
Morrow/Jenkins
Teague/Harris

You know, with the way the Nets, Wizards, Cavs, and even the Pistons improved, I’m not even sure we make the playoffs with that team.

But we still have our mid-level and our bi annual to spend. A Ray Allen would look good on that team.

Ray Kroc

July 3rd, 2012
10:52 pm

“Josh would have to learn to defend on the perimeter and close out on jumpshooters like Bosh…something he hasn’t been good at”

I wouldnt say he hasnt been good at it as much as that has not been what was needed from him. He was needed to stay home and use his lifts to protect the rim..

” trading away Teague with Horford to get Dwight means trading away a quick, penetrating pg who can hold his own on defense when his head’s in the game. Where do we get another guy like that?”

Devin Harris is already projected to play in front of Teague who has IQ issues. In 3 atlanta trade scenarios they have Teague being shipped. Teaque may end up on another team next year. There was teams that asked that he be a part of the trade.So he is in demand, for his athleticism..What he brings in athleticism he lacks in brains

Najeh Davenpoop

July 3rd, 2012
10:52 pm

“Sorry, but the “trade for him then hope to convince him” thing does not work for me. ”

It worked for the Nets and Deron. They gave up a king’s ransom for him, despite having a track record just as bad as the Hawks, and still managed to convince him to stay.

Risky strategy, and I’d prefer to sign Dwight outright a year from now, but the big advantage to trading for him is that it gives the Hawks the chance to offer him an extra year on his contract. That 5th year might be what swung Deron to pick New Jersey over Dallas.

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
10:53 pm

We need a 3rd PG if we buy out Farmar, and at least 1 more 3/2 as well. Grant Hill maybe? TMac, if this less compressed season may benefit him some?

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
10:55 pm

Najeh – It may be working for the Clippers and Chris Paul according to reports as well.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 3rd, 2012
10:55 pm

There is another advantage to trading for Dwight — I am pretty confident that fan support will increase greatly if they trade for him, which would alleviate one concern that potential free agents may have about playing here. We the fans haven’t had a chance to see a team with a superstar in twenty years.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 3rd, 2012
10:58 pm

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SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
11:00 pm

As of right now, come next season, we have exactly 12 million dollars committed to 1 player, and that is Al.

If we extend a QO offer to Teague, then we have an additional 3,466 mill.

I guess my point is, if we whiff on D12 and CP3, entirely possible – then whiff on Al Jefferson, again entirely possible – who do we pursue with all that cap space? I’ve looked over next years free agent list some, and no UFA’s are just jumping out at me.

RFA’s always have the matching capibilities of the current team, so they’re real risky many times.

O'Brien

July 3rd, 2012
11:03 pm

Najeh,

If Dwight does not sign an extension, I would like Josh to express his interest to Ferry about resigning with the Hawks when he hits free agency. If Josh is willing to re-up, then I think there is a good chance Dwight might re-up too (especially if we find a way to keep Anthony Morrow, another friend of Dwight).

AJ,

I dont think the Nets can afford to pay Humphries the salary he wants, so I think he is gone.

pointguardslim

July 3rd, 2012
11:03 pm

Devin Harris is not projected to start in front of Jeff Teague.

And only northcyde would swoop in and propose “Josh Smith for Dwight Howard”.

Glad Marvin’s gone.

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
11:05 pm

I still say offer Al, Teague, ZaZa, and 4 1st picks (the 2 next season, and then 2015 and 17 – make them lottery protected maybe if Orlando does that, or Top 8 protected or something if possible), especially if Dwight agrees to sign.

But even if he doesn’t you can still rebuild very smartly thru judicious free agency, because you are awash with cash.

If we made that trade we would owe all of 1.4 mill next season to John Jenkins, and that’s it as of now.

And next season, we owe that to Jenkins in the above scenario, I forgot to add him in. So we owe 13.4 mill to two players next season once Jenkins is signed.

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
11:06 pm

OB – The Nets are currently working on obtaining Illyasova. Now that’s a good FA.

Slimjr

July 3rd, 2012
11:07 pm

Would be a Win-Win for all parties involved to trade for Dwight as he agrees [to signing] an extension! He would go all out playing next to his best friend!!

He would quickly win over this whole City!

Phillips would be ‘his house”!

KevinM

July 3rd, 2012
11:08 pm

Pape Sy…..please….see if apace Sy can defend Jenkins first…..Wade will break his ankles!

You can’t tell me Danny wanted to open the 2 slot so Sy would get more minutes?

I’ll take DS, AM and JJ first.

O'Brien

July 3rd, 2012
11:08 pm

Andy Griffith,

The main reason Horford took the extension is because he didn’t know what the new CBA would be. That’s the same reason Carmelo wanted to be traded so he could sign the Knicks extension before the new CBA took effect.

truly1

July 3rd, 2012
11:09 pm

Please help!!! How can the nets trade chris humphries when he is an unrestricted free agent

O'Brien

July 3rd, 2012
11:11 pm

If Nets are prepared to offer Lopez, Humphries, Brooks, and 3 first round picks (or even 2 first round picks), the Hawks cannot match that offer….especially since Dwight has said the Nets is the only team he will resign with.

But I am starting to think I would prefer the Hawks trade for somebody this year. Dallas has a great owner, very good coach, superstar in Dirk, just won a championship, and yet they will probably come out of free agency empty handed (for a big name player).

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
11:12 pm

No doubt that Dwight would generate excitement this city rarely sees- when the Falcons had a couple of Superbowl appearances, the tomahawk chop Braves of the 90’s etc.

With Chipper retiring, Dwight would own this town.

Julio Jones will be a distant second.

But every Dad within 150 miles or more will bring their kid to see Dwight play basically.

Wabe

July 3rd, 2012
11:13 pm

I don’t think Dwight will be dealt…

The Nets are his only choice, and the way things are looking, it’s unlikely (IMO) that he’ll be dealt to the Nets. So, unless D12’s willing to give any teams assurance of an extension, no team will bite on pulling the trigger for him.

He’s really gonna have to put some more teams on his ‘wishlist’ before he gets dealt. Otherwise, let the dude rot in Orlando for another season and then teams will bid for his services.

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
11:15 pm

OB – I think:

Al is way better than Lopez

Teague has way more value than Marshon Brooks

Humphries may have better stats than ZaZa, but C’s are a commodity in this League right now.

And we can offer 4 1st picks instead of 3 since the Nets are giving us that Houston 1st pick.

Gotta trust in Smoove to talk to Dwight and get him up here for the long haul!

Ray Kroc

July 3rd, 2012
11:16 pm

‘And only northcyde would swoop in and propose “Josh Smith for Dwight Howard”. lol

Any team with Josh Smith and Superman on it has to worry Miami. Wed be 1 or 1 1/2 Players away from being right there with them.

SteveW

July 3rd, 2012
11:18 pm

Dwight/Petro
Josh/Ivan/Scott/Williams
Grant Hill/TMac/Stevenson
Morrow/Jenkins
Harris/Farmar

Your in the ECF’s with that team IMO.

Slimjr

July 3rd, 2012
11:23 pm

SteveW, is not Matt Ryan the present “Star” in this Town? I mean hasn’t Larry ” lose the Chipper” Jones fire dimmed down a few moons ago?

The way some of these Fal-con fans blog about Ryan, its almost like hes already won a playoff game or something else?

Najeh Davenpoop

July 3rd, 2012
11:23 pm

If they are going to do a Dwight trade, I would suggest getting it done quickly enough to make a play for Nash and Ray Allen to play in the back court. Nash-Allen-(a defense-first SF)-Josh-Dwight can win the conference with the right depth.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 3rd, 2012
11:24 pm

Putting Chipper in the same sentence as Matt Ryan is a disservice to Chipper. Chipper is a first-ballot Hall of Famer and one of the three best switch hitters of all time. Matt Ryan is the 12th best quarterback in the league.

Ray Kroc

July 3rd, 2012
11:27 pm

Gotta trust in Smoove to talk to Dwight and get him up here for the long haul! –

Well His best man at his wedding, preschool and AAU buddy, life long best friend can make that happen. The bottom line is both want to win a championship very badly.

Ray Kroc

July 3rd, 2012
11:29 pm

Finally a blogger with a real championship caliber team

Dwight/Petro
Josh/Ivan/Scott/Williams
Grant Hill/TMac/Stevenson
Morrow/Jenkins
Harris/Farmar

Your in the ECF’s with that team IMO.

Ray Kroc

July 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

Here is proof that Josh is a very weak power forward. I give you exhibit A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wno57AY2r24&feature=related

Slimjr

July 3rd, 2012
11:34 pm

Reunited and it Feels so good!

Did not Josh and D12 win High-school Championships?

Slimjr

July 3rd, 2012
11:35 pm

[Together]^^^^^

MsDee

July 3rd, 2012
11:37 pm

I will say this, as much as Dwight changes his mind (one minute he wants to opt out, next minute he opts back in), it might not be a bad gamble to ‘rent’ him for next season cause once he steps on Atlanta’s court with his best friend as his teammate in front of his parents watching in the crowd with a new found fan base screaming “Dwight, Dwight,Dwight”, he might just make Atlanta his retirement destination.

Right now, you have a childlike beast who is very disappointed how things went down in Orlando, now he is not getting want he wants which is to play in Brookin, of course he will be difficult to deal with right now. He’s a grown man with a kid’s mentality. When u dont get what u want, u pout like a baby. But like Drmaryb said earlier, he can always grow up and I think that moment will come once Dwight steps foot in Phillips arena. He would then realizes that ‘home’ is his best medicine. His mom will get him back to being humble. So Dwight, I know u are upset and mad but come back home where u belong.

O'Brien

July 3rd, 2012
11:41 pm

SteveW,

Horford, Teague, Zaza and 4 first round picks for Howard? I think that’s too much.

Even with an extension, 3 first picks and Horford, Teague and Zaza is all I would give up.

And one (restricted) FA Hawks could go after next year is James Harden. I think a max for him is 4 years, $58 mil, and unless OKC uses the amnesty on Perkins, I dont think they can afford Harden (plus they would like to resign Ibaka too).

Josh, Dwight and Harden would be our “almost-big” 3.

Melvin

July 3rd, 2012
11:45 pm

I wonder will David have a different opinion after he watch Marvin play for an entire season.

“David Locke
Have been asking around about Marvin Williams – wow he must be one solid dude (examples coming) because the praise for him as a person and his work ethic comes from everywhere and people want to make sure I understand what a great guy he is Example #1 Marv is a great kid. Stand up dude. Works his tail off. You’ll love dealing with him, too. – #2 – . Love the kid. Love his attitude. Love his spirit. Example #3 – You’re gonna love Marvin…great kid, professional, works hard. – Can’t wait !!
20 minutes ago”

SecondSage

July 3rd, 2012
11:49 pm

You guys are overreacting. No way I’d give up Horford and Teague. Ferry knows what he’s doing. This was more than shown the last week. We need to stop being stand-in GMs, Billy Knight is gone. Rick Sund is gone. I don’t see CP3 leaving LA either unless that SOB owner pisses him off.

I’d roll the dice on Smith. Make FA pitches to him a D12 next season, throw in CP3 also. But I’d keep Horford and Teague.

I see the chemistry improving with JJ’s contract gone. Plus that rookie guard might surprise a couple people.

Melvin

July 3rd, 2012
11:56 pm

“the general manager of the Nets had gambled last year he could convince Deron Williams to spend his prime with a franchise often cast as a practical joke.”

“”If it went the other way Billy and the whole organization would’ve been killed,” said one league source with knowledge of King’s talks with Williams. “The easy thing would’ve been to call around and trade Deron during the season, trade him to the Lakers for (Pau) Gasol and just say, ‘With the ship sinking let’s try to save as many people as possible.’

“But instead Billy pushed all his cards to the middle of the table, and it took a lot of (guts) to do that. I don’t know if I would’ve been able to do it if I were him.”"

Like I said earlier, sometimes you have to take a gamble. If want Dwight, you better get him now b/c if he find a way to Brooklyn, it’s a wrap b/c he’s going to stay there long term.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8128578/brooklyn-nets-deron-williams-stick-long-time-gm-billy-king

Melvin

July 3rd, 2012
11:57 pm

“David Baumann: I was also told that the report about Mo Cheeks and Mike Budenholzer being frontrunners for #Magic coaching job was “baseless.” Twitter”

Mo Cheeks was the guy I wanted for the Hawks job before they decided on Uncle Larry.