Atlanta Hawks: NBA free agency begins
The NBA’s free-agent period has officially started.
Teams can now come to contract terms with free agents. Deals can’t become official until July 11, after the league and union complete their annual audit to set the projected salary cap and luxury-tax levels for the 2012-13 season.
Nine Hawks players became unrestricted free agents today: Jason Collins, Erick Dampier, Willie Green, Kirk Hinrch, Ivan Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Jannero Pargo, Vladimir Radmanovic and Jerry Stackhouse. All those players except for Hinrich played for the league minimum last season.
Update: The Hawks extended a qualifying offer to Johnson by Sunday’s deadline. He’s a restricted free agent with Atlanta maintaining salary-matching rights.
NBA.com has a cool, sortable free-agent tracker page. One potential free agent is already off the market as Kevin Garnett and the Celtics reportedly agreed to a three-year, $34 million contract.
The Hawks are over the salary cap but have full mid-level and bi-annual exceptions available in addition to minimum player salary exceptions.
The MLE can be used to sign free agents for as many as four years at a maximum starting salary of $5 million with annual raises of as much as 4.5 percent. It can be split to sign more than one player.
The BAE can be used to sign free agents for as many as two years at a maximum starting salary of $1.957 million with a raise of up to 4.5 percent in the second year. It can be split to sign more than one player.
Minimum salary contracts can be up to two years in length. The salary is determined based on the player’s experience.
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Payaso
July 1st, 2012
1:58 am
“Gasol plays more like a PF, that it will give the team as a whole to step up to that next level. Teague will get the ball after a defensive rebound is made. Gasol will go to the post and take 25% of his shots via post ups. Horford will finally get to play PF the vast majority of the time, possibly raising his level of play”
Gasol Plays like a center.
Most of your logic is based on hope that a player will perform differently>
Teague will get the ball more? LIke that going to make the hawks better. Teague is no that Good. sorry to burst your bubble. Teague is a border line starter/bench player.
“Horford will finally get to play PF the vast majority of the time, possibly raising his level of play”
Al Horford has played plenty of power forward and there was nothing to suggest this guy is any better a power forward as he is a center. Hes awkward, uncoordinated, and mechanical and and has very limited offensive skills.
Your thinking or logic is not sound but base on favorite players Ouija board GM strategy.
” If a frog, had a glass ass…. every time he jumped…. he’d break it”
HawkKingBibby
July 1st, 2012
2:01 am
Were not getting a 24 year old 7ft center who avr 20 ppg and 8 rpg for Joe Johnson.
So Freakin What?
July 1st, 2012
2:02 am
JSmoove and JaVale’s Mom > Al, Camel, and JaVale
Sugar Ray
July 1st, 2012
2:04 am
We should trade Al horford and Jeff teague if we expect to improve as a team.
Sugar Ray
July 1st, 2012
2:09 am
Uh, people, we’re trying to win the NBA championship not the And 1 tour.
BLOW IT UP AND SHIP EM ALL OUT! Everyone miust go. All I’d want are picks and expiring deals.
Yall said you want to rebuild right? Josh should be the next one on his way out.
BYE.
northcyde
July 1st, 2012
2:12 am
This will be my last post of the night. I didn’t see this one earlier
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MakingNoSense
July 1st, 2012
12:35 am
@Northcyde.. Dude, you can’t be a businessman. We only got 6 players under contract and those six players already put us about 4 million over the salary cap. So your solution is to trade away a 26 year josh smith for a 31 year Pau Gasol, who makes 6 million dollars more than Josh. So now you would be roughly 10 million dollars over the salary cap with only 6 players signed. Again, tell us how you would fill out your roster under this circumstance.
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Well first off, we can’t complete any deal for Gasol involving Josh, unless we add another player to the deal. And the only players we could add are Marvin or Zaza. And since everybody hates Marvin, let’s add him.
Hawks payroll
JJ – 19.75 mill
Gasol – 19 mill
Horford – 12 mill
Zaza – 5.25 mill
Teague – 2.4 mill
Jenkins ( 1st round pick ) – 1 mill
Mike Scott ( 2nd round pick ) . . . 500K
Total: 60 million for 7 players
Luxury Tax will be somewhere close to last year. Let’s say it goes up just a tick to 70.5 mill.
Hawks would then have 10.5 mill to work with to sign 6 more players
Let’s say the Hawks “splurge” and sign a decent free agent for 3 million. I won’t name a name, but it could be anybody. And let’s say that Ferry gets “really aggressive” and signs a vet guy for the bi-annual exception of 1.9 mill
- Vet Free agent ( 3 million )
- Vet Free agent ( 1.9 million )
Current Hawks Payroll: 64.9 million for 9 players . . . need 4 more players
Hawks were actually somewhat successful signing guys for the pro rated vet minimum of 854K. So let’s say we sign 3 players at that price.
854K * 3 = 2.56 million ( round up to 2.6 mill )
67.5 mill for 12 players. Still a full 3 million under the Luxury Tax
Heck, might as well fill out the roster with one or two of the Summer league standouts. Let’s take 2 of them at 500K
68.5 mill for 14 players . . . still 2 mill under the Luxury Tax.
That’s how you do business my man. You trade off 21+ million worth of contracts in Smith and Marvin, and take back Gasol’s 19 milliion, and save 2 mill. Fill out the rest of the team, and still have that 2 million to spare IF someone gets hurt and we need to add someone ( like we did with Dampier in midseason ).
Class is over.
Good night.
Sugar Ray
July 1st, 2012
2:12 am
OK that troll Sautee is here stealing my blog name. Not my post people
July 1st, 2012
2:09 am
Grandad
July 1st, 2012
2:13 am
Nets have already re-signed Farmar;
it is presumed he will be a part of any impending deal.
Reasoning – is why he accepted deal so quickly,
plus he signed for more than mkt value.
ryan
July 1st, 2012
2:15 am
I think Ferry sees the obvious- even with JJ this team can’t pass Miami or Boston and the Hawks will have more flexibility in a strong 2013 FA market
Think about 2012-2013 lets say the Hawks stay intact with a core of JJ, Josh and Horford
Miami adds Ray Allen to bolster their bench, upgrade over Mike Miller
Boston adds OJ Mayo to replace Allen or backup Bradley and they have Jeff Green who missed last season (and if Sullinger is healthy they just got the steal of the draft)
There is no scenario in which the Hawks can hang with those two teams
BullWinkle
July 1st, 2012
2:16 am
Gasol – 19 mill
How to make the Hawks a weaker team and get back to the lottery fast??
Horford
Zaza
Teague
Jenkins ( 1st round pick )
Mike Scot
BullWinkle
July 1st, 2012
2:17 am
How to make the Hawks a weaker team and get back to the lottery fast??
Gasol – 19 mill
Horford
Zaza
Teague
Jenkins ( 1st round pick )
Mike Scot
Repost
July 1st, 2012
2:18 am
How to make the Hawks a weaker team and get back to the lottery fast??
Gasol
Horford
Zaza
Teague
Jenkins ( 1st round pick )
Mike Scot
Slimjr
July 1st, 2012
2:19 am
Me and my boyfriend Josh Smith are going out tonight. Yall have fun.
Smooches!
IMakeSense
July 1st, 2012
2:20 am
@northcyde you stated ” But stats are po-po’d around here when it proves a point”
So northcyde, why do you keep ignoring the most important stat….the Hawks roster salary. We only have 6 players under contract and those six contracts already put the Hawks over the salary cap. I seriously doubt the 3 exceptions the Hawks can use will be enough to bring in six players. AND I seriously doubt your solution of bringing in Gasol for Josh Smith is a viable solution. I’m willing to bet the 6million addition in yearly salary and no addition in bodies is the main reason the trade hasn’t been done.
I understand the Hawks are not going to get better talent wise by bringing back bench players for JJ, but unless the Hawks shed some contracts, they can’t sign any long term contracts (Ivan Johnson).
And oh yea, you mention the Rashard Lewis trade, but you didn’t mention that Rashard Lewis only had 20-something million left on his contract (which NO only paid 14 million to buyout). JJ has roughly 90 million on his contract. Therefore JJ and Rashard Lewis is not comparing apples to apples. Again you stated: ” But stats are po-po’d around here when it proves a point”
Fanmale
July 1st, 2012
2:32 am
Blow this thing up Ferry! Trade Joe and Josh and I am happy! I like both players but i realize that the team is not going anywhere with this current lineup. Trade Joe for Lopez and Brooks. Keep Josh for one more year. Sign your draft picks. let Hienricch go. Let McGrady go. Keep Ivan and Pargo. Dump Collins and trade Marvin for something, not sure what. Atleast you can trot out a line up of teague, brooks, josh, hartford, lopez. major back ups are za za, pargo, ivan, willie green, jenkins, scott. I would be happy with that team and you will still have some cap money to play with when you get rid of Joe and marvins contracts.
Fanmale
July 1st, 2012
2:33 am
I forgot, tell drew, thanks but no thanks and bring in J Sloan NOW
prison mike
July 1st, 2012
2:40 am
“Well first off, we can’t complete any deal for Gasol involving Josh, unless we add another player to the deal. And the only players we could add are Marvin or Zaza. And since everybody hates Marvin, let’s add him.”
This guy is a terrible jj homer. First above everything. JS and Duck combine to make 21.5 including his trade kicker which adds roughly 3 million which comes to 24.5 mill. Gasol makes 19 so the lakers will want to send some salary back *cough* mcroberts.
JJ – 19.8
PG – 19
AL – 12
Zaza – 5.2
Mcroberts (no better than Ivan mind you) – 3
JT – 2.4
John – 1
Scott – .5
63 million for 8 players when you have to sign atleast 5 more. Zaza and Teague are due significant raises the following year. Essentially we have a one year window for a semi chance at a finals appearance. What is the difference between rebuilding now and a year from now???
“Class is over.”
How dare you. No self respecting GM will put all their eggs in the basket for one potentially injury filled season. You do understand Ferry from his own mouth wants a long term team not one that will implode very quickly.
Buddy Grizzard
July 1st, 2012
2:44 am
“As much as I like Anthony Morrow, I think he is redundant since we drafted JJ2.”
Anthony Morrow is one of the best shooters in the NBA. JJ2 hasn’t proven that he can get his shot off at the NBA level.
“I’m trying to get real assets for that dude, if a decision to trade JJ is made.”
Who says we’re not getting draft picks in addition to expiring contracts? Also, I know Gasol is a player. He was overshadowed by Bynum’s breakout season and took the fall for Kobe, who gets less efficient by the minute. I’ve already posted that I would take Gasol for Josh if we can’t get anything better (like a lottery pick) because Gasol could be flipped for assets.
Were you saying in the last blog that the Joe to Brooklyn rumor had been put to rest? Because I can’t find that anywhere. Deron wants to have his contract situation resolved in the next few days so that he can commit to play in the Olympics. Dwight’s situation is not going to be resolved that quickly, but if the Nets can get JJ, at least Deron knows that he’s got another all star to play with.
Brook Lopez would have to be the centerpiece of any trade with Orlando. Problem is, he’s not under contract. He’s an RFA, so he would have to agree to any sign-and-trade. Any time he wants to, Lopez can say “I will not agree to a sign-and-trade to Orlando” and that potential deal is nixed. Lopez is free to talk to other teams and sign an offer sheet which Brooklyn must then match. And I’m not sure if they can even immediately trade him once the offer is matched.
As far as the possibility of JJ to the Nets being believable, I hope you know that Ferry and Nets GM Billy King played together at Duke and Ferry’s dad Bob (former St. Louis Hawks first round draft pick and former Bullets GM) is a scout employed by the Brooklyn Nets.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 1st, 2012
2:48 am
One last thing before I call it a night:
“My problem with the whole deal, is that people would have a fit if we just gave Josh Smith away for nothing ( or a bunch of expiring contracts ). That doesn’t help the Hawks, and it doesn’t put fans in the seats. And the same thing applies with JJ. What was the use of acquiring all of this talent, if we couldn’t flip it when we felt they couldn’t progress any longer.”
We would have a fit if Josh was traded for nothing because Josh has a reasonable contract that is attractive to potential trade partners. Joe, on the other hand, has the worst contract in the league.
You keep approaching this from the point of view of how good these players are on the court. That is only one component of their value to the team. The other component is the opportunity cost of the contract being on the books. The opportunity cost of holding on to Joe is that the nearly $20 million per year he will eat up for the next four years could otherwise be spent on players who can almost certainly match or outperform what he brings to the table. The opportunity cost of Josh isn’t nearly as high, because the chances of finding a player who contributes at Josh’s level for the price he is paid is much lower.
And in turn, this affects their trade value. Josh is likely to bring back more in a trade than Joe is, because Josh provides more for the cost than Joe does and provides more financial flexibility to build around than Joe.
One of my favorite NBA articles every year is Bill Simmons’ NBA Trade Value column. I don’t agree with a lot of his player assessments but he breaks the concept of trade value down in really simple (maybe overly simple) terms:
NBA TRADE VALUE RULES
1. Salaries matter. Would you rather pay Kyrie Irving $5.1 million a year or Tony Parker $12.5 million?
2. Age matters. Would you rather have Dirk Nowitzki for the next five seasons or Blake Griffin for the next 15?
3. Pretend the league passed the following rule: For 24 hours, any player can be traded without cap ramifications but with luxury-tax and next-day-cap ramifications. If Team A tells Team B, “We’ll trade you Player X for Player Y,” would Team B make the deal?
4. Concentrate on degrees. I don’t think the Bulls or Heat would make a Wade-Rose swap, but Miami would at least say, “Rose’s available?” while Chicago would say, “There’s no way we’re trading Derrick for someone seven years older.” That counts in the big scheme of things.
If you plug Joe into that list of criteria, it’s real simple. I’d rather pay about 15 SGs in the league their current salary than Joe his $19 million per year and I’d rather have at least 10 SGs in the league at their current age than Joe at 30+. Can’t say the same about Josh at his current deal.
Buddy Grizzard
July 1st, 2012
3:10 am
Echevarria I’d love to get Royce White, don’t want Scola.
“I could argue that Horford could be our Jordan-esque player.”
You could, but that would be roughly the equivalent of JC2 saying he could be as good as Jordan.
“Were not getting a 24 year old 7ft center who avr 20 ppg and 8 rpg for Joe Johnson.”
This is probably true. NJ’s plan if they trade for JJ most likely is to then match any offer sheet for Lopez so that they have a front court player to go with the best back court in the NBA outside of OKC.
“Boston adds OJ Mayo to replace Allen or backup Bradley and they have Jeff Green who missed last season (and if Sullinger is healthy they just got the steal of the draft)”
Yeah, imagine Boston next year with Bradley and Green healthy if they got O.J. Mayo and signed Ivan Johnson to a $2m a season 3-year contract with team options after each year. That team would brutalize anything the Hawks could put on the floor.
Buddy Grizzard
July 1st, 2012
3:44 am
Something I wrote in April:
“The New York Post further claimed that Howard, despite an initial short list that included the Lakers, was adamant that he wanted to land with the Nets. By opting in for the final year of his contract, Howard may have ensured that he ends up with neither team. The Lakers are unlikely to part with Andrew Bynum if Howard has decided he doesn’t want to play for them. And by opting in for the final year of his contract, Howard has provided the Magic with additional leverage to seek a better offer than what the Nets or Mavericks could assemble.”
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/04/hawks-could-be-back-in-hunt-for-dwight.html
Jae Evolution
July 1st, 2012
4:44 am
Well my blog pitches for Asik are officially over, Rockets offering him something around 8 million per year, jeez. At least Bulls get weaker now.
Ra'mon
July 1st, 2012
5:00 am
Najeh, I think what Northcyde is missing is that you believe (and I as well) that if P. Gasol, Josh, Al, Or Joe is the best player on your team, you’re not competing for an ECF round (although I feel Josh is more capable than either of them of going to that plateau as the leader of the team). And you’re saying if neither of those 4 can lead a team that far, why not be open to not having either of those four on the team. I haven’t looked. But I’m pretty sure that Gasol and Joe separately, make more than the entire Denver second unit combined. So the difference between having Joe and Gasol is having the flexibility of having 4-5 highly productive players on your bench who can enter the game at anytime. At least with THAT option, those productive players on moderate contract can be traded for reasonable value. For instance, if you add Gasol to this lineup without trading Joe as well, you have close to $40 million invested in two players who aren’t even ALL NBA status players. Even Lebron and Wade salary numbers don’t add up that high. In this new CBA era, you can get 4-5 very high productive players in the place of Joe and Gasol to go with Al or Josh and Teague. Even if you traded Joe for a trade exception. You’re now able to add players like Andre Miller, Mayo, and Asik to a line up in place of Joe’s salary alone. If you’re drowning in a lake, you don’t get mad if the first person to come rescue you is in a row boat. You take your life saver and feel fortunate. If you’re in a bad salary situation with a contract, and have reached your max with that player’s production (declining production). If someone comes along with a way to do away with that contract without you taking on another bad contract, you take that deal all day. Its just like saying, if Joe didn’t get the max deal, he wouldn’t have signed here. So you got two years out of Joe, and got rid of him before his contract REALLY starts to hinder the team.
AG
July 1st, 2012
6:44 am
Joe stepped up several games last season – but if we remember,the Hawks were 4-2 without Joe – with wins over OKC, Indy and Orlanda. One loss was a 3pt loss in Miami.
Josh and Joe each averaged 18.8 ppg (career high for Josh). Yet Josh had 30 double- doubles and was in the top 20 in three categories. By drafting s SG – JJ is now expendable. Trade him to free up $$
Just Joe
July 1st, 2012
6:55 am
I think the Joe salary dump is all but done. I think it’s Farmar (backup PG, hit 44% of his 3’s last year), Morrow (career 42% 3pt shooter), and Petro. This gives the Hawks $12M in expiring contract and roughly a $7.5M trade exception.
AG
July 1st, 2012
7:11 am
Joe had some great moments in ATL – and it will be hard to replace him on some nights (Utah game, etc) – but most nights he can be replaced. If this deal is made, would love to resign JC.
will
July 1st, 2012
7:45 am
B. Knight, as hawks gm, did a very good job, his core players has made the playoffs the last several yrs, that does not always happen. The warriors, nets, raptors and even the knicks, clippers, have been and has been trying to put together winning playoff bb teams for many many yrs.
B. Knight, was not the hawks problem. He was very successful as gm.
The problem is when hawks ownership and gm R. Sund, made the biggest mistake in sports history by signing an average bb player to the largest nba contract in history, 124 million dollars.
Dumb, dumb, dumb move!!!!!!!!
dap01
July 1st, 2012
7:47 am
Whether the Hawks blow it up or keep trying with the “core” (what a joke of a term), it is nice to know that Ferry is in charge instead of Sund.
O'Brien
July 1st, 2012
7:59 am
FTPB,
Northcyde,
Dump JJ, then offer another extreme MAX deal to Josh Smith? Is that the deal people want? Wouldn’t that be repeating the same mistake twice?.
I think Josh can be had for less than an extreme MAX deal. But even so, Smith would be 27 years old if he signs that deal next year, whereas JJ was 29 when he signed his.
Also, at that time, JJ had reached his plateau (how many articles have we seen about players like JJ declining after age 30), whereas there is still more room for Josh to improve (especially with better coaching). Also, I think Josh would do a better job of actually recruiting a player to come here, whereas JJ has been quiet as a church mouse (despite what his agent said).
Therefore, I don’t think it would be the same mistake.
That being said, I don’t want to trade JJ for scraps. Hopefully we can get some combination of trade exceptions, draft picks, and serviceable players. But if we can’t find a good deal for him, I am open to Josh and Marvin for Gasol. Would that be a lateral move? Maybe. But I am willing to spend at least one year to find out for sure.
O'Brien
July 1st, 2012
8:02 am
Najeh, Belkin,
The initial contract he received was a great contract. The Hawks’ major screw up was not bringing Joe here — it was failing to draft CP3 to team with Joe in the back court..
The Hawks second major screw up was giving him 6 years, $124 mil.
O'Brien
July 1st, 2012
8:04 am
There are tons of rumors on Hoopshype about who is interested in who. But there is not one mention of the Hawks being interested in anybody. Do the Hawks even know who they are interested in?
And I’m surprised the Hawks didn’t give Ivan the QO of $970k. If somebody offered him more than that, Hawks could have declined to match. And if we end up keeping him at that salary, that would be very good value (imo).
Ray
July 1st, 2012
8:13 am
@ O’Brien
Give it some time I’m just thankful there is actually something going on this summer. You know.
Like Joe Johnson actually might be traded Marvin Williams could be amnestied.
Under Rick Sund and BK this stuff didn’t really happen.
As for the trade of JJ to NETS GOOD! Let him be their problem even if we get back scraps like Lopez and Brooks fine it’s better than being so extremely cash strapped this is what Danny Ferry sees.
He now sees why we weren’t able to advance pretty much anywhere.
Last year’s bench was good, but once you look back at it it wasn’t that much better than the previous 2 years. If it were we’d have gotten past Round 1 and remember this was a Boston Celtics team missing two good players plus Paul Pierce was a bit shaky.
Yes I know we missed two of ours Horford and Zaza, but still Bradley plus Green and then everyone else Celtics had a stronger bench.
Now I hope he has Larry Drew on a short leash because any screw-up means he’s fired. Cause when names like Phil Jackson and Jerry Sloan are floating around out there those are the guys I want to see as HC you know.
Ray
July 1st, 2012
8:20 am
@ O’Brien
Another thing about Ivan don’t get me wrong he’s the kind of player I’d love to keep that can get up in someone’s face, but if Mike Scott is also like him like many others have said keeping him would be redundant.
It’s a lot of players out there for us if we make the trade the one guy I’d like to bring back home is Marshon Brooks even Brook Lopez that at least makes it better for us
Teague, Brooks, Smith, Horford, Lopez(barring injury). That’s a lineup I can live with for awhile it depends on what happens to both Brooks or Lopez. If Brooks becomes very good which that one time we played against the Nets earlier this year, and he went off mannnnnn. I’d keep him on board for awhile. We need a David West type player though someone who will bang down low with Zaza on the backup unit.
Really?
July 1st, 2012
8:36 am
To all those who want to ‘blow it up’…
We’ve done that, that’s how we got here.
When last done we won 13 games that year, 26 the next, not that many more the following year.
Are you really ready for that … again????
O'Brien
July 1st, 2012
8:36 am
It is being reported that Portland offered a max deal to Hibbert. I don’t know what it is, but as a Center, I’m sure he will be overpaid. Unfortunately, that’s their market value these days.
Meanwhile, Jamal has plenty of suitors.
morehouse man
July 1st, 2012
8:43 am
everybody seems to forget that was a better team when joe was hurt.the had a good ball movement offense.when joe came back,the offense tanked.al is a good center because he is faster and quicker than other centers. at power forward,he would be average at best.
Ray
July 1st, 2012
8:44 am
@ O’Brien
Their probably going that route cause they have no Center Aldridge is a Power Forward more so than Center.
I doubt Roy Hibbert goes he like Indy probably feels as though they got what it takes to make ECF next season if they finally get a superstar.
What makes it so much worse about the Indy situation the only thing we needed was a Center all they need is a legit All-star Danny Granger is not that he’s not Batman he’s a Robin.
Rufus1
July 1st, 2012
8:45 am
Don’t trade Joe for scraps…..
Allstar SG/SF are the hardest positions in the NBA to fill and we have the 3rd best SG and are willing to trade him for scraps… I can’t see it. Their has to be a 3rd team involved or Ferry in trying to make his players uncomfortable.
Joe:
Is our best offensive players and MOST IMPORTANT.
He is the only one that constantly get doubled teamed and can create his own shot.
He is our best defender and top 5 wing defender.
There is NOOOO part of his game where he would be left WIDE OPEN.
He is seldom injured.
Is he overpaid, maybe….but 70% of the NBA is overpaid. Travis Outlaw, Josh Childress make 7mil a year.
Some team is about to injury prone Eric Gordon MAX money(14-15mil a year) and the future Marvin Williams(Nicholas Batum) 14-15mil.
We haven’t traded Josh because none of the offers were good enough, no way are we trading Joe for Marshon Brooks.
AG
July 1st, 2012
8:47 am
O’Brien- Josh and Marvin for Gasol is turrible. First, two players (not even top 10 players in the NBA)
Trading Joe and freeing up cap space to sign other players is a much better option than trading your best player
BIG DOG
July 1st, 2012
8:49 am
Who said Brook Lopez is a scrub ?
Lopez for Joe make that trade in a heart beat.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
brigadierjerry
July 1st, 2012
9:01 am
Saw this posted on another blog:
If things don’t work out with Brooklyn…..
If Nash signs with the Raptors……….
***Scenario 1***
Calderon and Kleiza (or Bayless) for Joe
-Simple salary dumb and Ferry can sign free agents in 2013 (build the team he wants)
***Scenario 2***
Hawks get – Dwight and Turk
Raptors get – Joe
Magic get – Horford, Kleiza, and Calderon
-Hawks get Dwight / Rap get Joe and Nash / Magic get Horford and exp contact for Turk
BIG DOG
July 1st, 2012
9:03 am
Josh might want stay ?
Danny must find out ASAP what on Josh mind and staying with Hawks.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Rufus1
July 1st, 2012
9:03 am
Lopez is the next Yao Ming… Won’t stay healthy….Healthy has a financial value..
I like Marshon Brook.
I would like to see James Harden as the number one option…being guarded by the best wing defender and doubled every time he gets the ball..
Ray
July 1st, 2012
9:07 am
@ Rufus
You want to know why Joe Johnson is constantly double teamed it’s not cause he’s actually that good it’s because that’s the way to stop him Iso-Joeing(not a word but still). Cause dude is a horrible passer out of the double team, and it takes away the part of his game that kills most opposing teams.
Also 3rd best SG man a lot of people might debate that one especially when you consider Kevin Martin, Eric Gordon, James Harden, and a few others.
Here’s the other problem with 3rd best SG
Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wade>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joe Johnson way back in the back there little tiny dot can’t miss him.
BIG DOG
July 1st, 2012
9:09 am
Joe for Lopez and Morrow,
Make this trade ASAP.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
July 1st, 2012
9:11 am
Nets are not trading Marshon Brooks.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
July 1st, 2012
9:13 am
Teague, Morrow, Josh, Horford, Lopez
Pargo, Jenkin, Marvin, Ivan, Zaza
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Ray
July 1st, 2012
9:16 am
I find it funny that people jump on Al Horford and Smith or even Teague.
Here’s the thing
#1 before Teague started this season we had to deal with a declining Mike Bibby and Kirk Hinrich who was not the same since leaving Chi-town.
Teague may not be the best PG, but he’s developing quickly at one point dude was in the race for awhile for MIP for this season. Plus not only that once he stepped in most of our problems at PG were solved for the time being he’s not the best guy at PG ever, but for us right now he’s the best we got and I can deal with that.
Horford was injured 2/3 of the season and you want to jump on him???? You say he’s soft didn’t see that in the playoffs at all honestly the only ones that were soft in the playoffs were Marvin, Joe, and Willie Green, plus Kirk Hinrich. You can’t call a person soft just cause they didn’t play 2/3 of the season I got onto Horford for disappearing last season, but this season early on he was doing great for us.
In fact with a Healthy Horford we advance past Boston in Round 1 also if we have a healthy Zaza when Horford came back too early he wasn’t in the flow of things that’s not his fault you try doing something after going down with a major injury like that.
Last Josh Smith there isn’t much to say except dude carried this team most of the season especially after Horford went down, and I guess people forget that Heat game when Joe Johnson was out Josh played his heart out I mean what more do you want from him he had virtually no help and yet we only lose by like 3 pts that I remember COME THE F ON MAN!
Now you guys talking about trading him COME ON MAN y’all living in denial like seriously it’s kind of bad too.
Rufus1
July 1st, 2012
9:19 am
Ray,
None of those players defend like Joe…. and defense matters…You are a fan Josh, so I know you understand that.
I watched WADE the #2 option on his team get shut down by Boston… Do you think he would do better on our team against them.
If Joe is that far behind Wade, then the rest>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are that far behind him.
This talk about JJ like he is some scrub is CRAZY!!!
Melvin
July 1st, 2012
9:21 am
The offered Hibbert the max. I think the Blazers are trying to make Indy over spend for Hibbert. As much as I like Hibbert, he’s not a max player. If they give Hibbert the max, that would put a serious dent in Indy cap flexibility going forward. Remember the salary cap penalties will increase tremendously after next season. I think we will see a lot of teams dumping players to stay below the luxury tax. Which is why I don’t mind seeing Joe traded for expiring contracts, picks or TPE. Having cap space to build a team and stay under the luxury tax will be very important after the 2012-13 season.