Atlanta Hawks: NBA free agency begins

The NBA’s free-agent period has officially started.

Teams can now come to contract terms with free agents. Deals can’t become official until July 11, after the league and union complete their annual audit to set the projected salary cap and luxury-tax levels for the 2012-13 season.

Nine Hawks players became unrestricted free agents today: Jason Collins, Erick Dampier, Willie Green, Kirk Hinrch, Ivan Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Jannero Pargo, Vladimir Radmanovic and Jerry Stackhouse. All those players except for Hinrich played for the league minimum last season.

Update: The Hawks extended a qualifying offer to Johnson by Sunday’s deadline. He’s a restricted free agent with Atlanta maintaining salary-matching rights.

NBA.com has a cool, sortable free-agent tracker page. One potential free agent is already off the market as Kevin Garnett and the Celtics reportedly agreed to a three-year, $34 million contract.

The Hawks are over the salary cap but have full mid-level and bi-annual exceptions available in addition to minimum player salary exceptions.

The MLE can be used to sign free agents for as many as four years at a maximum starting salary of $5 million with annual raises of as much as 4.5 percent. It can be split to sign more than one player.

The BAE can be used to sign free agents for as many as two years at a maximum starting salary of $1.957 million with a raise of up to 4.5 percent in the second year. It can be split to sign more than one player.

Minimum salary contracts can be up to two years in length. The salary is determined based on the player’s experience.

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280 comments Add your comment

glw

July 1st, 2012
12:17 am

So I guess Ivan wasnt tendered….what are the chances he still returns? OR do the Hawks move on without him?

Brandy Blair

July 1st, 2012
12:18 am

Shamrock

July 1st, 2012
12:20 am

The ball is in your court Najeh, or should I say 10 year olds in your court :)

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:20 am

FTPB

“Yep, because Ray can make a bunch of step back jumpers in isolation and guard the opposing teams best perimeter player. Yep . . Ray sure could replace JJ’s production. Especially with Josh Smith averaging 7 assists a game now feeding him the ball for 15 shots a game.”

Haha. You’re the one who CONSTANTLY talks about how the Hawks can trade one of the ten best defenders in the league for a guy who is soft as tissue paper and the defense won’t suffer because everyone else will step up and play better man to man defense or whatever. That is a hell of a lot more far fetched than me saying replacing Joe with a guy who can score just as efficiently with the ball in his hands a lot less will result in this team remaining just as good.

Rob

July 1st, 2012
12:21 am

As a fan, we havent heard this much trade rumors involving the Hawks in a looooooong time

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
12:23 am

Well that’s exactly where I’m going to start Najeh. I’m going to change the mix of the team to form one of the best frontlines in the NBA with Gasol and Horford, while keeping JJ and Teague together. Add some specialty players here and there, and see if that can get us to the next level at least, even if it doesn’t produce a championship.

What I’m not going to do, is blow this team up and hope for a Hall of Fame draft pick to turn my fortunes around.

If it fails, I now have the option to trade Gasol and his 19 million for other tangible pieces, whether it be decent players or draft picks.

I decide if Jeff Teague is worth keeping around as the future PG of the Hawks. If he is, I’m starting at 5 years 30 million.

All the while, I’m trying to flip JJ for draft picks and possibly a disgruntled star player somewhere else, just like I did with Gasol if it comes down to that.

The longer JJ contract grows, the more likely someone will actually give us pieces for that contract. Even with this new CBA, a team would trade for JJ’s contract in years 5 and 6, and give us something we can use back in return.

Your plan is about blowing it up, and hope that fate drops the player of that decade into our laps. My plan is to keep swapping out “the Core”, until we find a combination that works.

I know free agents aren’t knocking down the door to play in Atlanta, so me tanking to get 40 million in cap space is out of the question. To get Dwight, I would trade ANY combination of 2 of the Core right now, and force that dude to come here for a year. If a team was serious about getting Dwight, that’s how they’d do it.

So trade Al and JJ . . or JJ and Smith . . or Smith and Al for Dwight . . and go from there.

He ain’t coming here of his own free will. Gotta force that dude to come, and hope he likes it here in his hometown.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:23 am

Northcyde, ultimately this all comes down to the fact that your idea of a “winner” and my idea of a “winner” are very different. You are satisfied with a team that will win 45 games and lose in the second round indefinitely, as you practically admit with your remarks about the Grizzlies. I am satisfied with no less than a team that has a legitimate shot at winning a title. This is why you want to go to war with a Joe-Gasol core while I want to blow the team up.

welikebaseball2

July 1st, 2012
12:23 am

Any player/players we can sign for even the $5 million MLE next season still won’t give us what we need to become a true contender. We need a superstar. You know, one like what Joe’s getting paid to be.

prison mike

July 1st, 2012
12:25 am

Damn MC, just had an emmy winning post in the last blog in progress….

Najeh quote,

“Well, first of all, you still have Marvin on the roster. If I had to rebuild the Hawks into a winner and I found a sucker dumb enough to trade for Joe’s contract, my first move after that would be to amnesty Marvin.

With that said, this isn’t too hard. Josh and Zaza are UFAs, Teague is a RFA, and Al and JJ12 are under contract. In other words, I have about $13 million of committed salaries, plus the $3 or $4 million for Teague’s QO, which means I have nearly $40 million of cap space.

Go hard after Dwight and Josh to try to get them to team up here. If Dwight and Josh say yes, that’s still only going to cost you about $30 million of that cap space, which means you have plenty of room to add another free agent or trade for another near-All Star level player to be the 3rd option. You can still sign Teague to the qualifying offer and trade Al for a SG or SF to balance out the starting lineup. That team will be at least as good as any team the Hawks have had in their entire history here.

If Dwight says no, I assume Josh will also say no, and you will be left with Teague, Al, and a ton of cap space. In other words, you have a ton of cap flexibility and two positions (PG and PF) locked down with three to fill.

So sign-and-trade Josh for a trade exception and picks (this is possible — LeBron and Bosh were also sign-and-traded for trade exceptions and picks), use these picks to trade up in the draft (since they will likely be in the 20s), tank for a season, get a high draft pick of your own, and draft the best player this team has had since Dominique Wilkins. And in the summer of 2014 after you have used your lottery pick, you can always accelerate the rebuilding process by offering a front-loaded deal to a restricted free agent (if we were talking this summer, that would be someone like James Harden or Eric Gordon for example).

I have a better question for you. Keep Joe on this roster and build a team that has a serious chance to win a championship. Go. And before you start, Joe and Gasol are not going anywhere near a championship together.”

Almost point for point what’ll do except some a caveats. Assuming we get Marshon in any trade, I’ll try to engage Dwight for a rental to get him “acclamated” to playing in Atlanta. Maybe something like Al, Marvin for Dwight, pick.

Trade deadline team would be something like…

JT / ….
Marshon / Jenkins
Who knows maybe Josh will play here some or Scott or FA.
Josh / Ivan / Scott
Dwight / Zaza

Got some holes to fill but that’s a crazy good team. If Dwight and Josh bolts well… we are assed out.

Edit:If a rental of Dwight is just a formaillity, I would only offer Teague, Jenkins, and Duck and future pick heavily protected.

Michael Cunningham

July 1st, 2012
12:28 am

@ prison mike “Damn MC, just had an emmy winning post in the last blog in progress….”

sorry dude

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:29 am

“If it fails, I now have the option to trade Gasol and his 19 million for other tangible pieces, whether it be decent players or draft picks.”

When (not if) it fails, nobody is going to give you tangible pieces for a 33 year old, declining PF making $19 million.

“All the while, I’m trying to flip JJ for draft picks and possibly a disgruntled star player somewhere else, just like I did with Gasol if it comes down to that.”

Nobody is going to even give you more than marginal players, cap space, and protected picks for Joe now, let alone in two or three years when he is struggling to score 15 points per game. “Disgruntled star player”? Keep dreaming, unless you have the 2012 version of T-Mac in mind.

“My plan is to keep swapping out “the Core”, until we find a combination that works.”

How many teams have kept swapping out their core until they found a combination that works? I can think of exactly one — the 2011 Mavs. Who else?

On the other hand, I can think of at least ten teams that lucked out in the lottery and acquired the pieces that eventually won them a title.

“I know free agents aren’t knocking down the door to play in Atlanta, so me tanking to get 40 million in cap space is out of the question.”

More willful blindness to the fact that cap space is useful for a lot more than just signing unrestricted free agents.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
12:30 am

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:20 am

FTPB

“Yep, because Ray can make a bunch of step back jumpers in isolation and guard the opposing teams best perimeter player. Yep . . Ray sure could replace JJ’s production. Especially with Josh Smith averaging 7 assists a game now feeding him the ball for 15 shots a game.”

Haha. You’re the one who CONSTANTLY talks about how the Hawks can trade one of the ten best defenders in the league for a guy who is soft as tissue paper and the defense won’t suffer because everyone else will step up and play better man to man defense or whatever. That is a hell of a lot more far fetched than me saying replacing Joe with a guy who can score just as efficiently with the ball in his hands a lot less will result in this team remaining just as good.

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The difference is that there is evidence that proves that Gasol does play defense and can definitely play offense. The whole “soft” label is just that. A label. It’s just like calling Josh “dumb”. He isn’t “dumb” to the extent that it completely takes away from his overall talent. He just does a few dumb things from time to time and has bad shot selection.

The same goes for Gasol and his “softness”. He’s not soft vs every team that he plays against, and it doesn’t take away from the fact that he’s still a top 5 PF.

And once again, I already have Josh Smith’s replacement on board in the form of Al Horford.

Horford + Gasol > Smith + Horford

The difference in bringing Ray Allen on in place of JJ, is that there is no equivalent to JJ in talent level. I mean, unless you’re all of a sudden a believer in John Jenkins.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:34 am

“If Dwight and Josh bolts well… we are assed out.”

If Dwight and Josh bolt, the Hawks are still in better shape with $40 million in cap space and two positions accounted for than they are with the current core or, worse, a Joe-Gasol-Al core. Teague, Al, and $40 million can turn into a superior team if they play their cards right. This core or a Joe-Gasol-Al core will never be more than a second-round team.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:35 am

“The difference is that there is evidence that proves that Gasol does play defense and can definitely play offense. The whole “soft” label is just that. A label.”

There is a hell of a lot more evidence that Ray Allen, a Hall of Fame player, can create his own shot, since he did so for ten years before going to Boston. Not that they will need him to, with Josh drawing double teams and kicking it to him on the three point line.

MakingNoSense

July 1st, 2012
12:35 am

@Northcyde.. Dude, you can’t be a businessman. We only got 6 players under contract and those six players already put us about 4 million over the salary cap. So your solution is to trade away a 26 year josh smith for a 31 year Pau Gasol, who makes 6 million dollars more than Josh. So now you would be roughly 10 million dollars over the salary cap with only 6 players signed. Again, tell us how you would fill out your roster under this circumstance.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:37 am

“The difference in bringing Ray Allen on in place of JJ, is that there is no equivalent to JJ in talent level.”

So now an individual player’s talent level matters? All this time I thought we were talking about team success as defined by vague concepts like “balance”. Now that we are talking about Joe, we need to find an equivalent in talent level? Interesting how the fact that Josh is infinitely more talented than Gasol on defense doesn’t seem to matter as much.

Rob

July 1st, 2012
12:40 am

Joe Johnson is from Arkansas, he needs that hog money, thats why he signed that fat contract

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:40 am

FTPB

“NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY IN ATLANTA”

No one wants to play in Oklahoma City either. Of course, if you draft them, they have no choice but to play for you.

Blow it up and tank.

Rob

July 1st, 2012
12:41 am

I agree with you Najeh, but its gonna suck to suck again for a few years. But its the only way

Moorman

July 1st, 2012
12:41 am

Another thing that makes getting rid of joe in the best interest of the hawks : the fanbase in atlanta NEEDS a superstar. Its no accident that atlanta fans, mostly from out of town but now living in atlanta, root for the superstars on the other team. Dame thing happened to the falcons UNTIL they drafted nique. David sterns should be ashamed of himself for not pulling strings over the years to appease a fanbase which could be a top ten fanbase. Like najeh said, you clear up all that cap space and go get dwight at all costs………

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:41 am

Omer Asik just got offered $8 million a year by Houston. $8 million a year for a guy who can’t even play more than 20 minutes a game because of foul trouble.

richy

July 1st, 2012
12:42 am

Would you take Farmar, Brooks, and Lopez for Joe and Marvin?

Frank

July 1st, 2012
12:42 am

If we trade Joe Johnson to the Nets we’ll just be making the Nets better and we will get worse.

Moorman

July 1st, 2012
12:43 am

Meant to say the flcons had a poor fanbase until they drafted vick. The hawks need something similar to happen..

Echevarria

July 1st, 2012
12:44 am

frank, gotta get worse to get better in the NBA. unless you’re the celtics or lakers. they have the league behind them. but for your run-of-the-mill team, you gotta get worse.

prison mike

July 1st, 2012
12:45 am

“Joe-Gasol-Al core will never be more than a second-round team.”

I’m in agreement of that but losing Al for almost nothing but a fighter’s chance at greatness is hard to swallow..

Dwight has a bee line straight to Crook. I would just leave Dwight alone unless Josh gave me some inclination we had a solid chance of keeping everything together. I’m sure some teams can offer us more for even a 4-5 month renter for him

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
12:46 am

How many teams have kept swapping out their core until they found a combination that works? I can think of exactly one — the 2011 Mavs. Who else?

On the other hand, I can think of at least ten teams that lucked out in the lottery and acquired the pieces that eventually won them a title.

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No you can’t. Shoot, there hasn’t been 10 teams in the past 25 years to win a title, let alone for you to be able to name more than 5 teams that have PURPOSELY tanked on purpose.

San Antonio got Duncan because Robinson went down with a season ending injury and they lucked up in the draft.

The Lakers of the late 90s got Shaq because he wanted to go there

Boston traded all of their young talent for stars of bad teams who couldn’t advance their squad to the next level

Even the Heat this year had to basically collude to entice Lebron and Bosh to come to Miami to join Wade, in a move never seen before.

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Meanwhile, Detroit kept swapping out pieces, and coaches, until they got the right mix.

So did the Heat in 2005, when they were able to trade their young pieces for Shaq

Boston, as before mentioned, traded their young talent for star players

As a matter of fact, it is almost unprecedented for a playoff level team to purposely sell off everybody and tank, just to get that lottery pick. That process almost always happens after the team fails to make the playoffs.

Melvin

July 1st, 2012
12:47 am

northcyde,

In your trade scenario Josh for Paul. Let’s consider that the road to the finals goes thru Miami. The Heat have already said that Lebron will play more PF next season with Bosh at the C. With a frontline of Gasol and Horford, who will play Lebron? And if you take one of them out the game, then you now have a core member on the bench during crunch time b/c of matchups….

Rob

July 1st, 2012
12:48 am

If they do trade Joe, I wonder if they trade Josh as well?

jeppz23

July 1st, 2012
12:49 am

are there any black people up here? I’m tryna get 360 waves

Echevarria

July 1st, 2012
12:49 am

richy.

HELL YES YOU TAKE brooks lopez and farmer for Joe and Marvin! What kinda question is that?

PG: teague / brooks / farmar
SG: FA – Mayo (we should pursue him) / jenkins
SF: Josh *until he gets traded below*
PF: horf / *see below*
C: lopez / zaza

* here is where we go ahead and trade Josh along with 2 future 1st round picks. We send him to HOU who wanted him and we get back 1 of their draft picks – Royce White, and 2 other players. Probably Scola and I would prefer Ariza so our lineup would look like this

PG: teague / brooks / farmar
SG: MAYO / jenkins
SF: ariza / white
PF: horf / scola
C: lopez / zaza

that is a championship squad right there. go out and get Jerry Sloan to run pick and rolls all game with Teague/Brooks handling the ball and you have your choice between horford, lopez, scola and zaza as pick men. does anyone find it coincidental Ferry came from the best pick-and-roll team in the spurs? Jerry Sloan is out there just WAITING to coach and we have an ultra-quick guard in teague and a good pick-man in Horford….. get it done!

prison mike

July 1st, 2012
12:50 am

Meant to say a short rental for Dwight. There’s always one team that will on up us in trade value. Reminds me of when the lock out lifted.

Oh yeah, meant to say earlier Ferry has to make his signature move and the time is now. He’s locked in long term and needs capital to do things his way. I’m sure Joe, marv’s contract are a hindrance to him.

NCBravesFan

July 1st, 2012
12:52 am

Interesting discussion going on here between Najeh and Northcyde. My guess is that what ends up happening is somewhere between the two scenarios they outline.

I doubt Ferry will “blow it up” this quickly, but he also has to know that if he can move Joe’s contract off the books he has to do that. If he can’t, my guess is either Josh goes traded (not as likely) or Marvin gets the amnesty clause (more likely).

This team as constructed is close, but salary constraints hold it back from taking the next step. My guess is Ferry will try to create a little salary cap space and keep some core pieces together for one more shot … and save the bigger changes for a bit later.

MrNique

July 1st, 2012
12:53 am

If we did a deal with Brooklyn and could. Clear some space. People be interested in maybe offering OJ Mayo a contract as a cheaper 2?

Echevarria

July 1st, 2012
12:55 am

i think we trade Joe to the Nets for Lopez and any other asset they are willing to give up to us. I’m a huge fan of lopez. We engage HOU in trade talks ASAP and see if they’re willing to part with any 1 of their 3 rookies they just drafted, particularly Royce White, and another piece for Smith. That’s fair trade value if you ask me.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
12:55 am

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:37 am

“The difference in bringing Ray Allen on in place of JJ, is that there is no equivalent to JJ in talent level.”

So now an individual player’s talent level matters? All this time I thought we were talking about team success as defined by vague concepts like “balance”. Now that we are talking about Joe, we need to find an equivalent in talent level? Interesting how the fact that Josh is infinitely more talented than Gasol on defense doesn’t seem to matter as much.

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Individual talent has ALWAYS mattered. That’s why I’d welcome a flip of Gasol for Josh. that is also why I would welcome a flip for JJ for Eric Gordon or even a Tyreke Evans. You would at least get a comparable talent back in return for JJ, that could potentially develop into something that fits the team better.

Josh is a great help defender. He’s not a great man defender.

Of course, I could bring up stats stating how Gasol is a better post defender than Smith, but that won’t mean a thing because stats mean nothing around here.

Once again, it’s the combination of a Horford + Gasol frontline that could take this team to the next level, because they both are highly efficient on offense, and can play defense as well. No one is going to mistake them for being the great help defender that Josh Smith is, but no one is going to mistake Josh Smith for being a great spot up shooter or a great post up player either.

Echevarria

July 1st, 2012
12:56 am

MrNique, go a few posts up and I said we should go after Mayo. approach HOU with a package of Smith and future picks after the Joe trade and build around Horf / Teague / Mayo / Lopez

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
12:56 am

“No you can’t. Shoot, there hasn’t been 10 teams in the past 25 years to win a title, let alone for you to be able to name more than 5 teams that have PURPOSELY tanked on purpose.”

I never said they purposely tanked. I said they got the pieces that won them a title through the draft in the lottery. Spurs with Duncan-Parker-Ginobili, Lakers with Kobe (and Bynum later), Boston with Pierce and Rondo, Rockets with Hakeem, Heat with Wade, Bulls with Jordan-Pippen, Pistons with Isiah and Dumars, Lakers with Magic-Kareem-Worthy, Celtics with Bird and McHale. That is 8 of the last 11 champions and all but three of the last 30 NBA seasons. If I go back in time farther I’m sure I can find you more but that requires doing research whereas the teams I named were off the top of my head.

“So did the Heat in 2005, when they were able to trade their young pieces for Shaq”

The Heat’s best player that year was Wade, who they drafted in the lottery. And Shaq is one of the most dominant players of all time. Gasol is nowhere close. Where is your trade proposal swapping out a member of this core for someone of Shaq’s caliber?

“Meanwhile, Detroit kept swapping out pieces, and coaches, until they got the right mix.”

We have already established on this blog that the ‘04 Pistons were the exception to rule all exceptions and that Sund’s insistence on following that model was foolish. Yes, you are right, they swapped out pieces of their core until they got it to work. But even they had a guy in Ben Wallace who was the best in the league at one end of the floor. Show me one trade proposal that swaps out the member of the core for a guy who is the best in the league at anything.

Gasol is just another pretty good player, just like Joe is a pretty good player and Al is a pretty good player. A nice collection of pretty good players will get destroyed by greatness EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Get in the lottery and bring greatness to Atlanta.

Steve belkin

July 1st, 2012
12:58 am

But everybody said i was wrong about joe……

Shamrock

July 1st, 2012
1:01 am

Moorman

July 1st, 2012
1:01 am

Najeh is right, blow this crap up and get a superstar……. The hawks been in atlanta since 1970 and havent smelt a trophy, so blowing it up and waiting a couple more years aint gonna hurt nothing…..

Coach van gundy

July 1st, 2012
1:02 am

Dwight got me fired for nothing…….

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
1:03 am

NCBraves . . . the difference between Najeh and I is that he’d get rid of JJ for a slug and some rotten tomatoes. He’ll simply give up on trying to get the best deal possible in a JJ trade.

I’m trying to get real assets for that dude, if a decision to trade JJ is made. Despite his contract, that’s a top 5 SG we’re talking about here. No way I just “give” him away.

My problem with the whole deal, is that people would have a fit if we just gave Josh Smith away for nothing ( or a bunch of expiring contracts ). That doesn’t help the Hawks, and it doesn’t put fans in the seats. And the same thing applies with JJ. What was the use of acquiring all of this talent, if we couldn’t flip it when we felt they couldn’t progress any longer.

LOL . . even Washington flipped Rashard Lewis for Okafor and Trevor Ariza . . . but we have to settle for some Nets benchwarmers?

I say hell no to that.

Grandad

July 1st, 2012
1:05 am

I categorically deny that Jerry Sundusky and I were and are best friends. I dont know where you guys are reporting this stuff.

Jerry got caught dead to rights. Im still here. Go figure.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
1:06 am

“Josh is a great help defender. He’s not a great man defender.

Of course, I could bring up stats stating how Gasol is a better post defender than Smith, but that won’t mean a thing because stats mean nothing around here.”

They mean nothing when presented without the right context. Gasol is 7 feet tall and has long arms. He is bigger than pretty much every opponent he faces at PF throughout the course of the season, and is bigger than many Cs he faces as well. The PFs and Cs he faces who have a low skill level are going to struggle against him purely because of his size and length, regardless of whether he is physical or fundamentally sound defensively, and that is consequently going to make his defensive stats look good.

The same applies for Andrea Bargnani, for example, whose defensive stats at PF are even better than Gasol’s. The stats say he gives up a 13.2 PER to opposing PFs. You can either take that stat at face value and decide that he is an elite defender of PFs, or you can watch him play and recognize that the number doesn’t really tell you what you think it’s telling you.

Those aggregate stats, however, say NOTHING about what a player will do against playoff competition, against players who are good enough to exploit his weaknesses.

Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
1:08 am

“What player out there in free agency could turn the Hawks into an EC Finals team, if we had JJ’s money off the books, and no JJ in ATL?”

Ok so without Joe, the Hawks are not an ECF team. So what? WITH Joe the Hawks are not an ECF team. So what’s the difference? With cap flexibility in Joe’s absense, hope exists that the Hawks can make moves to improve. If Joe remains on the books as his skills diminish, we may be paying him $25m while visiting the lottery. How is the certainty of losing Josh and paying Joe more than LeBron makes while he’s no longer an All-Star caliber player a better fate than the uncertainty of change?

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
1:08 am

Moorman . . if it were that easy, where is Sacramento’s “superstar”

Charlotte’s?
Golden State’s?
Detroit’s?
Washington’s?
New Jersey’s? ( even though they had to trade to get the star they got )

Did the tank and re-plank plan work for them?

Ya’ll make it sound like all the Hawks have to do is just get rid of everybody, and everything will be OK in 4 years.

1) we went through this before, and it took 5 years just to steal JJ from Phoenix, and get lucky enough to get Horford as a top 3 pick . . so that rebuild took 8 years

2) lol . . we might all be dead in 4 years

So is this where we are as a fan base? That we’re so “disgusted” of losing in the playoffs, that we’re willing to be bad for 4 years just for a chance to maybe get back at the level we’re at now?

Moorman

July 1st, 2012
1:09 am

Northcyde……….you want to settle for being JUST good……look, trust me on this, if ferry blows the hawks up and gets into the lottery, no way, no how, he makes the same dumb draft picks billy knight did…….who cares qbout the hawks making the playoffs only to get bounced? We need a chip and dont have the cap space right now to get nowhere near it…….

Shamrock

July 1st, 2012
1:09 am

Meanwhile, KG will expose your Hawks for 2 more years, maybe 3. Just like Najeh exposes himself to 10 year old boys. :)

BravesFan79

July 1st, 2012
1:10 am

I only trade JJ to the nets if we get back Morrow in the deal. He was one of the top shooters in the league while with the Warriors, and the former GT guard can shoot it like few others in the league! He would basically be a cheaper / younger version of Jamal Crawford. He wouldnt provide the same defense, or low post offense as JJ, but he would add to the overall team speed/ quickness.