Atlanta Hawks: Danny Ferry focused on salary cap ‘flexibility’ with trades

Mr. Ferry has his hands full. Good luck.

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“There’s been no indication that Smith has changed his mind after Ferry’s hire, which does nothing to placate Smith’s desire to also play in what he believes to be a better sports market. Smith’s contract expires after next season.”

Just like I said. Bye Josh. I hope the other three are right behind you.

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Keep J-Smooth, move JJ. NOW!

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Don’t trade my baby Josh! I love him…

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@ Just Joe

Agreed and now that we know neither have talked this whole Josh Smith might be gone after next year crap needs to stop if Ferry can convince him that they’ll work hard to bring a championship home he just might be here for the long haul.

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Still at least we’re actually in the news of something once free agency began most of the time we don’t hear squat.

This is the most news I’ve heard in forever about anything concerning the Atlanta hawks lol.

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The Atlanta market isn’t good enough for Josh?

I wouldn’t trade Teague (with Josh) to the Lakers, but I would definitely send Marvin. If they sent back a 1st round pick, I would probably give up Zaza.

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By the way, I think John Jenkins was the Heat’s guy in the draft. Riley was quoted as saying “the guys we wanted were already gone”. Now they are looking hard for a shooter.

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A championship would be great, but the first step is restoring respect to the Atlanta basketball culture.

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Agreed when the national media calls you out for being Nice Guys and barely gives you any respect you just don’t sit there and take it.

Now that ASG is basically taking a back seat and giving Ferry room I feel like we finally see the major changes we really want.

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Lets hope this so called “sharp shooter” Jenkins does not start wearing Marvin’s cloak…

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@ Astro Joe

Reading too much into stuff for the longest Josh was right the culture here is not of a winning culture it’s of a mediocre culture with being content with what we got.

From Falcons, Thrashers(no more), Braves, Bulldogs, Yellow Jackets you name it I agree with him. It doesn’t mean I or he hates the place just that we as fans and the ownership need to build a better picture then than the one we created.

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What Atlanta really needs is players with fire in their belly’s that are hungry for championships not people who are content.

Josh is a player hungry for championships I believe Horford is too same for Zaza.

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Marvin is a player we know ain’t hungry for nothing same for Joe Johnson I was just on another blog talking about the Nets and some of their fans were calling out Joe mimicking some of the things we’ve said.

Stuff like Overrated and disappears in the playoffs and what not.

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My comment seems to have been caught in the filter. Posting from China.

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Josh had a BIG role in the team last year and the results were no better. Joe, Josh and LD all need to get gone if you are truly focused on winning it all. Josh would be a 3rd option on a contender and he won’t accept that role on this squad.

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Why couldn’t we trade Joe to Brooklyn for Brooks Lopez and cap space? Then amnesty Marvin and have more cap space. Then use the cap space to sign Brandon Roy and maybe Louis Williams. A starting five of Lopez, Alford, Smith, Roy, and Teague has to be one of the stronger ones in the league. The bench might be a bit weak, though.

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True MC, if they were taking Joe without sending out salaries, they wouldn’t be able to retain Deron, Lopez, Wallace and Hump. But we all know they’re not taking Joe without sending some salary back.

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“Why couldn’t we trade Joe to Brooklyn for Brooks Lopez and cap space?”

Who is Brooklyn going to play at center? Gerald Wallace? Joe and Deron with no Lopez at center is a lottery team. They’re not sending us Lopez.

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Marvin to the Jazz for Devon Harris would work out well for both teams. They don’t need another point and have no real small forward on the team. We could use Harris to start, play alongside, or backup Teague. It even works on the ESPN trade machine.

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Josh is only 26, and improving every year. If I can sign him for almost all-star money (5yrs/60-70) now while he continues to blossom, I’m doing it.

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People get it through your head, Josh does not want to come back to Atlanta. Hawks need to get something for him before he walks.

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Buddy Grizzard – Hawks will not trade Joe unless Lopez is invovle.

Saleries not match un less sign and tradewith Lopez, Nets would have send Cash for Joe with Farmer, Morrow, Petro.

Why would the Nets send Hawks 10mill cash ?

No Team is that dum.

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No way to know until Ferry talks to him.

GM’s talk players into changing their minds all the time.

Josh was definitely leaving if Rick was still here, bc he apparently still has a thing about Sund telling him to go find his money when he was a RFA.

And even though Joe and Josh get along, Josh underdstands that they won’t compete w/ Joe’s contract clogging cap space.

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I am all for trading Joe, but it ain’t like we’re gonna get anything in return of worth. Basically, it is Joe for a bag full of basketballs.

We should look at picking up Mayo, Beasley, and Jordan Hill. Trade Josh for a replacement shooting guard with size.

Totally rebuilt team (with salary cap room left over).

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Focus on getting Joe the f**k out of here.

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Brousard tweeting that the Hawks are supposedely interested in Ray Allen?

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I like to keep things simple.

We got our answer about Horford this past season. Without him, the Hawks are about the same type of playoff team.

We got our answer about Johnson the past couple of seasons. Without him, the Hawks were able to stay in contention for a playoff spot when he was injured and when he’s on the court he’s just another starter in big games.

We got *some* of our answers about Smith this past season. We already knew he was a baller but we found out that he could lead the Hawks to wins when JJ isn’t doing anything and Horford out a significant portion of the season. The only thing we don’t know is if the Hawks would be the same or better off without him.

So with 2 out of the big 3, we’ve seen cases where the Hawks are no worse without them and with Smith we’ve seen him carry the Hawks during the regular season. With his age and contract it would be bad to move him without getting an established veteran with several years left or a future young star/high 1st round draft pick.

I’m not opposed to moving anyone on the Hawks roster but of all players Smith would command the highest return and we cannot afford to get the short end of the stick with any deal involving he or Horford, IMO. I’m more than willing to take a loss in quality with Joe.

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Make the best deal available. You don’t turn down a trade on Monday for Josh if the Nets want to wait until Tuesday to pull the trigger. Here’s hoping Ferry can walk and chew gum at the same time. If he is trying to change the culture AND have some cap flexibility, then the sequence of events is unimportant.

OB, that’s just it… too many “ifs”. There shouldn’t be so many ifs associated with a player after 500+ games.

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Ray

July 1st, 2012
3:51 pm

How do you exclude Horford Astro Joe he’s been here 5 years now it doesn’t make sense.

Out of 6 guys left Teague and Zaza are excluded from any blame I know and you all know that Zaza wants to win too plus he got Heart. Teague really only started this year so judgement is reserved till after next year.

So that leaves Horford, Josh, Joe, and Marvin. Josh isn’t an innocent bystander, but he doesn’t come off as a guy that likes the culture of this team especially after talking about how he’d rather play for Boston and such.

I don’t think Horford likes it either especially coming out of a winning program at Florida.

The reason I’m more suspect of Marvin and Joe for Joe it’s the way he talks in postgame interviews, and Marvin because he’s just there he rubs off to me as someone who’s just happy he plays in the NBA knowing good and well he doesn’t deserve it.

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Question for you Ray. Who is the only one of “the core” that has

- clashed with coaches
- clashed with players
- visibly sulked and whined on the court

It definitely ain’t Horford. Joe doesn’t even talk, so it’s not him. Marvin is invisible, so it ain’t here.

Only one person fits that description.

The culture of this team is JJ dribbling the hell out of the ball to get his shot, and Josh taking any type of shot he wants to, despite him being ice cold.

Josh is the most dominant personality on the Hawks, yet, he’s just a small part of the culture that is in ATL? Can’t have it both ways man.

If Josh is “the man” on the team now, he also must get the praise and take the criticism of being “the man”.

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Ray Allen? Maybe 3 years ago. Ferry sure does like shooters.

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mykhalc

July 1st, 2012
4:24 pm

Ray Allen will only play for contendin’ team…despite Broussard’s report. he would NEVER come to the Hawks…PERIOD!!!!

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And that’s the other equation in this. People actually think that guys like Ray Allen and Brandon Roy would come to the Hawks, when we’re actively trying to sell off our top guys? That’s not living in reality. None of those guys are coming to ATL if they feel that we’re in rebuilding mode.

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I don’t get the fascination with Ray Allen.

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Share your trade

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8a97ghr

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@Joe…me neither actually

@northcyde…yep

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All I’d want back for Joe is Marshon Brooks, & a future 1st + expiring contracts like Johan Petro, Jordan Farmar, & Anthony Morrow. Love to get Lopez but they won’t do that. Just get that horrible salary off the books so we can move forward.

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@ northcyde

Josh may be all those things, but he’s got heart that much is certain.

Plus thing about Josh is he knows there will be blame, but why is it always on him???

When things go bad why not combination of Joe, Josh, and Horford we always singling Smith out WHY?

Josh has done some bad things here, but so has JOE MAX JOHNSON and Al Horford. I too realize that Josh takes some very bad shots so does Joe especially after holding the ball for 24 secs.

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Oh you also mention Marvin being invisible and Joe not talking yet Joe spoke a mouth full after our loss to the Orlando Magic in round 2 of the 2010 playoffs. Yet what do we do Re-up him for 120 mil.

It’s things like that probably make Josh mad it’d make me mad too damnit.

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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8119934/brooklyn-nets-atlanta-hawks-talk-joe-johnson-trade-sources-say

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If the hawks somehow get marshon brooks out of this trade, I will be one happy fan.

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So we’ve hit a snag if you will.

Danny Ferry want Marshon Brooks they want us to take on Gerald Green though as well to make this work out. Even Kris Humphries too according to ESPN.

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Oh boy here we go.

“Johnson, 31, has four years and more than $90 million left on the richest contract in the NBA. But Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov is apparently prepared to take on Johnson’s hefty deal if he knows that it will clinch the re-signing of Williams to ensure that the Nets have a marquee star when they move into the new Barclays Center in Brooklyn in the fall.

Teletovic is a 6-foot-9, 250-pound forward with shooting range who averaged 21.7 points and six rebounds for Caja Laboral in the Euroleague last season. He recently reached a 2 million Euros buyout with his Spanish club in June so that he could play in the NBA this upcoming season.”

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8119934/brooklyn-nets-atlanta-hawks-talk-joe-johnson-trade-sources-say

Things have to fall into place for us. Deron has to pick Brooklyn for any of this to get through. According to the article, we are insistent Brooks is involved.

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@ Prison Mike

I’m glad Brooks and Jenkins would be nice to have.

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jeppz23 – Great info.

I make that deal ASAP if Gerald Green is involve.

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@ MC Thanks for the update

What of Marvin though? Has Ferry talked about using the amnesty on him?

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We really don’t want MarShon Brooks. He’s just another ball stopper.

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MarShon Brooks better be a part of any deal concerning this. Hawks at the minimum need to get Brooks + Gerald Wallace + 1st round pick.

Ferry, don’t sell your soul for cap space. Get some assets back in return.

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I don’t have a problem with trading Joe, however we need to get the best deal we can. In my opinion all these guys should be trade bait. Al, Josh, Joe, and whoever else we can send on their way, but whatever deal is made we should only deal if we get something of value back. I want to see DF do his job without us taking any steps back.

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Question if we break up our core how long do people think it will be before we reach the playoffs again

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So, if the Hawks have their way, we go in to the season with a backcourt of Teague & Farmar at PG, and Morrow, Brooks, and Jenkins at SG???

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You bring in Brooks and Wallace and whatever expiring contracts you need to make this work, and immediately amnesty Marvin and let him hit free agency. Then you see what he’ll get out on the open market ( which I think will be more than what people will think )

PG: Teague
G: Brooks
F: Wallace
PF: Smith
C: Horford

That squad would at least keep us at borderline playoff level, while also having the flexibility to change up the roster even more, if need be. At least with Wallace, you replace the perimeter defensive abilities that would leave with JJ while also getting a guy who can run the floor and rebound from the 3 spot.

A complete blow up of this team is unnecessary. Just re-tool it to begin with.

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“MarShon Brooks better be a part of any deal concerning this. Hawks at the minimum need to get Brooks + Gerald Wallace + 1st round pick.” – northcyde

NC, I know you might value Joe more than some of the bloggers here , but I don’t think Wallace will be involved, as much as I’d LOVE to have him at SF.

If he WERE offered, then Wallace + Morrow + Farmar + a first round pick would be fair, IMO. I’d like to leave Petro there, expiring contract, or not.

I like Brooks, but I’m not sold enough to take on 4 years at this point, keeping in mind that Ferry is looking for flexibility. But I will say that he gives a lot of bang for the buck, if you can accept his poor decisions.

Of course, if that trade happened, we would immediately see how many racks of balls we could get for Marvin, if not outright amnesty.

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Jerry West

July 1st, 2012
5:17 pm

northcyde,

Is Gerald Wallace (with a new 4 yr/ 40 mil contract) that much of an asset? I’m a fan of his hustling play style, but he’s too dependent on athleticism and on the downside of his prime.

Brooks, 1 or 2 first rounders, and cap space is a win in my book. Hell cap space is a win.

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Isn’t Josh Smith game dependent on athleticism? That argument shouldn’t be a deterrent in bringing in Wallace. The dude can defend and rebound, something that is needed here. And he’s a slasher on offense, something else that is needed here.

If we can get Wallace + Brooks + 1st round pick + fillers to make the deal work . . for JJ . . then that’s a swap I would approve of. But all of that trash for JJ, just to get cap space? Nah . . I’d pass on that.

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Northcyde – They can have Brooks give me Gerald Green all day.

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@northcyde that line up is guarantee 2nd round!!! Wallace and Smoove!! Hustle plays and defense both of which Joe “no-show” Johnson lacked. JOSH SMITH SHOULD BE UNTRADEABLE

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Hawks not need Wallace.

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“What Atlanta really needs is players with fire in their belly’s that are hungry for championships not people who are content.”

Josh is the team leader with that spirit. After we get rid of the projects like Al horford, who is more concerned about playing a certain position than doing what it takes win, and project like the low low IQ Jeff teague ( I dont think he ever graduated from wake). Then and only then will we be in a better position and start to set our sights on a world championship.

For the 12 to 15,000,000.000 Al horford makes we could do better than 12pts 8 rbs and a lackadaisical reluctant attitude about playing center. Mr injury prone free loader Al, Jeff Teague and Marvin Williams are the DEAD WEIGHT that is taking this team down.

Al for D12 now!

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I haven’t seen anything to suggest that Wallace signed in order to be traded. Everything I’ve seen says that re-signing with the Nets has been the plan all along. That’s why the Nets gave up the draft pick in the trade.

If we give away Marvin, then who are our SF targets?

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I don’t think losing Joe makes us a lottery squad. Now losing Joe AND Josh is another story.

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“Brooks while nice to have is not a deal breaker in the magnitude of this deal.”

CO SIGN PRISON MIKE. GET IT DONE FERRY DON’T MISS THIS CHANCE OVER WANNABE KOBE.

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At this point with this organization, I’m ready to see anything that’s different from what we’ve been seeing for the past 4-5 seasons. It’s been the same script year after year.

I’ll take new faces, even if it means we slip in the standings, just so we get a feel for something new.

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cryptonyte,

It is not the fact that they can’t get room to extend Josh, it is the fact he does not want to play for the Hawks anymore. He wants to go to a big market where they will promote him better and have a winning spirit.

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“Josh is the heart and Soul of this team. He has grown up and now its time for him to take over. He took that leadership from JJ.”

And “led” us to a first round loss. Big Whoop. This core has had their chances. Blow it up while the time is ripe. Blank slate.

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Gotta love how the heart & soul of the team has no influence on the poor team culture.

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“Anyone paying attention now knows that Green or Humphries is in play.”

Only if they agree to the terms. They’re not presently under contract with Brooklyn.

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Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS
Atlanta has spoken with about 20 teams and is in at least a half dozen active discussions, source says. Nets/Joe Johnson one of many.

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Al makes $12M -15M. Not that being knowledgeable is a goal for some.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/al-horford/

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Drafted:Round 1 (#3 overall), 2007
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Tyshawn Taylor, Morrow, Brooks, Petro, Farmar the trade exceptions and a future 1st rounder…Yes I’m being incredibly greedy with the assets

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And Buddy . . . you and Najeh are the champions of “hope”.

You guys are willing to risk the Hawks being bad for years to come, just at a chance of hope. I simply believe that you can mix and match things up, until you find the right mix.`

Current playoff futility

Golden St: One playoff appearance and 2 winning seasons since 1994

Charlotte: One playoff appearance and 1 winning season since they became a franchise in 2004

Sacramento: No playoff appearances or winning seasons in the past 6 years, after making the playoffs for 8 straight years

Toronto: Two playoff appearances and one winning season in the past 10 years

Milwaukee: One playoff appearance and 1 winning season in the last 6 years

Washington: Four straight losing seasons after not getting any type of assets for their “Big 3″ players once the decline started, other than expiring contracts.

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This is the future that you and Najeh want. The future that hopes we get lucky like Cleveland ( Lebron ) and Oklahoma City ( Durant ), instead of the reality that most of the time, teams that blow it up and start over stay bad for a looooooooooooong time.

So excuse me for not wanting to root for a 25 – 52 Hawks team in 2013, because we’ve sold off everybody in a rebuilding process. And if the Hawks are a losing team at that point, do you think a guy like Al Horford is sticking around when his contract is up in 3 years?

If the Hawks trade JJ for cap space, the only option we really have at that point, is to go all out to get James Harden and give him a MAX deal. If that’s your plan . . fine. But if it blows up in your face ( like it almost always does with the Hawks ), what then?

Overpay for average players?
Hope Horford or Smith turn into a legit superstar?

People say that the worse than than being bad, is being not good enough to win. I say that’s complete BS. Fans of the Warriors, Kings, and Bobcats would KILL to be where we are right now.

Ferry and the ASG can rebuild that team, without totally tearing it down. Completely tear it down without any hope of even challenging to be in the playoffs, and you might only get 12,000 a night at Philips.

So excuse me man for not wanting to take a path that will see us be the Sacramento Kings. I’m not into rooting for “hope”. I’m also a Cincinnati Bengals fan. Rooting for “hope” is a bunch of crap. Rather root for a team that can bring me “some” joy, even if it doesn’t bring home a title.

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If Danny Ferry can get rid of Joe Blow I will be the happiest guy in Atlanta.

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Hawks have spoken to several teams about Joe.

HA

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I might back off Najeh, looks like the dumb ### and child molester is you Northcyde . Celtic pride baby. Green all day

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Najeh Davenbobo

HA

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northcyde,

At this point, it’s incredibly evident that the Hawks aren’t gonna be able to add any peices to the roster as currently constructed to get us over the hump.

You too are only hanging onto ‘hope’. ‘Hope’ that this same roster will eventually get us over the hump.

Truth is, they’ve had an adequate amount of time to make it work, and they haven’t shown any signs of being a team that’ll ever contend. Trotting these guys out there year after year just delays the inevitable, which is, this core will never get it done.

Better to blow it up now, and get the rebuilding process started sooner rather than later.

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Najeh hasn’t been here all day. Those are fake Najeh posts by the troll. Easy to tell the difference.

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Can some one explain why we pay Al 12- 15 Million to produce 12 pts 8 rebs?

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Tiger Woods doesnt play well in Majors

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Reality Check – Thanks bro for the info about troll, for a minute i thought Najeh Davenpoop had a cold.

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Wabe

July 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

northcyde,

At this point, it’s incredibly evident that the Hawks aren’t gonna be able to add any peices to the roster as currently constructed to get us over the hump.

You too are only hanging onto ‘hope’. ‘Hope’ that this same roster will eventually get us over the hump.

Truth is, they’ve had an adequate amount of time to make it work, and they haven’t shown any signs of being a team that’ll ever contend. Trotting these guys out there year after year just delays the inevitable, which is, this core will never get it done.

Better to blow it up now, and get the rebuilding process started sooner rather than later.

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Wabe, I’m one of the only guys on the board last summer who said that I would trade ANY 2 of “the core” for Dwight Howard.

I’m the one who says to trade Josh Smith in a deal for Pau Gasol.

I’m the one who said that if we can flip JJ for an Eric Gordon or Tyreke Evans type player, that I would be OK with that.

I have no problem changing up the pieces on this team. I believe that different players could bring a different kind of chemistry to this squad that might be better than what we have in place right now.

I don’t fear change. I don’t say things like “Josh Smith or Joe Johnson or Al Horford is untradeable”. There are no untouchables on this team.

It’s just that a lot of you completely overlook what a true blow-up is all about. It’s about losing for years, until you get enough assets to possibly get you back to playoff level. And from that point, you’re back at where the Hawks at right now, either hoping your star players can get you over the top, or hope that your GM can bring in the right fringe pieces to help the stars get over the top.

Not one time since the playoffs has ended, have I suggested that this same group been brought back. Now whether you or anybody else like my suggestions on what to do, is another thing. Most of you think guys like JJ or Pau Gasol are garbage, or won’t help us get to that next level, so you’d rather be the Charlotte Bobcats, instead of simply changing up the mix.

That’s why I want tangible assets for JJ. Because I don’t want to be the Charlotte Bobcats, hoping a guy like MarShon Brooks turns into the next diamond in the rough.

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And the main thing to get MarShon Brooks, is to have young assets that you could flip for possibly someone better.

That’s why the Hawks trading those draft picks in the past for mediocre talent, is a bad move. It’s incredible that Sund essentially traded two 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich. It’s made worse that both of those players chosen with those picks can at least play at starter caliber level.

Hopefully Danny won’t budge on not getting young talent and picks in a salary dump type of trade. No way you simply just take expiring contracts, and leave it at that.

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So if we move Joe Johnson, does Jenkins become the starting SG?

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Gm Danny Ferry was hired to sabotage this team.

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In case anybody cares, here is your National League All-Star team:

C – Buster Posey ( SF )
1B – Joey Votto ( CIN )
2B – Dan Uggla ( ATL )
3B – Pablo Sandoval ( SF )
SS – Rafael Furcal ( STL )
OF – Matt Kemp ( LAD )
OF – Carlos Beltran ( STL )
OF – Melky Cabrea ( SF )

For you Braves fans, Craig Kimbrel made the team as one of the pitchers.

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Looks like Big Mutt got his ass chewed

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
5:49 pm

Then went into denial LMDO

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Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

“The only option we really have at that point, is to go all out to get James Harden and give him a MAX deal.”

I’d take Harden on a max deal over Joe in a heartbeat.

“Rather root for a team that can bring me “some” joy, even if it doesn’t bring home a title.”

I get no joy out of mediocrity. Thanks for summing it up.

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Of course. Anybody would take a max Harden over JJ right now. The question is, would Harden want to play in ATL, if he had other options to go other places? That’s ALWAYS been the issue with the Hawks and free agents.

Buddy, we’ve been “mediocre” for 5 years now. If you got no “joy” out of it, you wouldn’t follow this team on a daily basis. You may be tired of what we have here now, but you wouldn’t follow it if you didn’t get “some” joy out of watching this team for the past 5 years.

We’ll see how this plays out though. People will celebrate any sort of Joe Johnson trade, even if its for a molded honey bun. But watch people have a fit if Ferry also decides that Josh Smith needs to go as well, and trades him off for “cap space”. Hopefully if and when Ferry decides to move Smith, that he’ll get tangible assets for him, and not a bunch of dead weight.

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And please include Marvin in the deal.

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I dont think this lazy, ” I wanna play forward” non team 12-15million (incentive based) Al horford’s attitude is going to change. Nor has he done any thing to accept his role on this team. That why the team played better with out him. Too Much Me me me in Al Horford.

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Qutoe:

Deron Williams will meet with the Brooklyn Nets and Dallas Mavericks on Monday, a source close to the point guard confirms. Williams hasn’t made a decision. In fact, he has been seeking advice from people in his life, asking where he should sign. It’s safe to say Williams is still weighing his options.

He has to choose Brooklyn.

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Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:23 pm

“It’s incredible that Sund essentially traded two 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich. It’s made worse that both of those players chosen with those picks can at least play at starter caliber level.”

That’s funny I seem to recall the Wizards drafted a shooting guard because they are seeking a player that is starting caliber and JC2 was not that guy. JC2 is great for taking a lot of shots on a lottery team, but he’s not a starter on a playoff team. Kirk is a starter on a playoff team, and if he had played more minutes while Pargo and Green sat on the bench, it might have been the Hawks playing the Heat in the ECF instead of

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So what are you saying Buddy. That Kirk Hinrich is better than Jordan Crawford?

The whole reason for us drafting Jordan in the first place, was for insurance if JJ left and if we didn’t decide to re-sign Jamal. Drew apparently didn’t like his game, so he doesn’t stand in Sund’s way when he’s dealt. So when we really needed another scorer or shot creator in the playoffs, not only did we not have Jamal’s schizophrenic shot, we didnt even have the poor man’s version of Jamal in Jordan.

Calling Kirk Hinrich a starter caliber SG is laughable. He had no business starting in place of Marvin in that lineup. And before Drew came to his senses on that, it was too late.

As for the Wiz’s draft choice, Beal is potentially a better player than Jordan, so of course they’d draft him. After losing Nick Young, Jordan was the only guy who could remotely create his shot out on the perimeter and make a shot. John Wall can’t shoot, and is best suited to be a pick n roll PG that scores off of that play, or passes to shooters. Beal fills that role.

The Wiz made a commitment on the frontline, so they chose to address their depth at guard.

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Is Joe Johnson on an airplane yet? I heard we were trading him for Lebron James.

Morons.

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As a big Steve Nash fan, im rooting for him to go to the Mavericks. I hate Deron Williams overrated azz because of how he treated coach Sloan (big jazz fan in the 90s). Williams deserves to be stuck in New Jersey/ Brooklin… where he will never get past the 2nd round of the playoffs as long as the Bulls and Heat are healthy. Mark my words. Even with Howard and JJ on the team!

As far as my favorite team in the west goes, if the Mavs add Nash, and a shot blocking big man, they would be right there with the Spurs and OKC in the top 3 in the west.

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Of course Hinrick is a better SG than Jordan Crawford! One can shoot 3’s, the other cant. Last i checked.. the position was called SHOOTING guard. The only thing i remember about Jordan Crawford was that he could dunk.

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The money we receive next year is the value, not players. Especially not from the nets.

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And just because Dwight wants to go somewhere else, doesn’t mean that the Magic have to trade him where he wants to go. Unless Dwight has a “no trade” clause that I don’t know about.

Make the major splash . . not a demolition move.

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If Howard wanted to play with Smith in ATL, he would’ve said so a long time ago, and ATL would be on one of his desired list of teams to play for. He doesn’t want to come here. That doesn’t mean that we can’t make him come here. Make him come here and play for a year, whether it’s alongside Smith, Horford, or Johnson.

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The reason no one wants to play for Atlanta is because of the management and the fans are one if not the worst in the league. Celtics vs hawks series was almost green

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Good analogy Grandad . . . drop back and punt.

Trading JJ for expiring garbage contacts though, is like quick-kicking on 3rd down, without even trying to pick up the 1st down.

Don’t quick-kick Ferry. Put in the right personnel package to pick up the 1st down on 3rd and long.

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Well, thanks, nc.

I appreciate that.

Don`t get sacked on 3rd & long.

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I forgot to add New Jersey/Brooklyn in that “blow up” list

Brooklyn – 5 consecutive losing seasons with the “blow up” starting 3 years ago. Was able to flip Jason Kidd for Devin Harris who got them Deron Williams. But if they can’t land Howard, they may lose everything and have to start back over.

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if we traded Joe and Josh to Orlando, he’d just sign back there as a F/A next year…

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Big Dave . . . that’s fine. Hawks will be in blow-up mode anyway.

That’s what people want, right? To blow it up and start over?

Who cares if we give Orlando 2 major pieces in the process. We won’t be good for years anyway, while we’re rebuilding the team.

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Hawks fans are not the worst….one only has to look to the 2007 playoffs as an indicator. Team had a losing record, made the playoffs, and had sellouts. That’s when the team had promise.

It’s only been bad since we’ve smelt those rats. One rat was the Joe Johnson contract. No one in the world liked that contract and everyone in the world knew we weren’t going very far Another rat was resigning Marvin Williams (Not actually drafting him) trying to validate his #2 selection. Then it was trading away draft picks for old guys.

The Hawks have been severely mismanaged the past half decade and change. Danny Ferry’s already executive of the year. The Hawks have NEVER been in this many trade talks.

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cp, Gerald Green is a UFA.

Well, I wouldn;t take Harden at $16M over Joe at $16M. I don;t get the hype about Harden at all. I’d need to see if he could score without Durand and Westbrook taking the bulk of the defensive attention before assuming that he could go from Hawkeye to Iron Man (he’s not even Thor in OKC).

Hawks need to close this Joe deal in the next day or two, before the better UFAs are off the market. I don’t mind reloading but I have no desire to watch rebuilding. Sell soon and then quickly get into buying mode before we’re left wondering if Mo Evans can give us 10 PPG as a starting SG.

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Yea, Harden was exposed a bit… I think he has a ways to go before he can be the #1 option…

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And Northcyde… that’s 3rd for the next 10 years

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Rockets give Asik a $5M, $5M, $15M contract (3 yrs $25M total).

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I still think if the Hawks can jettison Marvin and his contract; they could make a legitimate run at the ECF or NBA finals. Marvin’s draft position has caused the Hawks to play him over Zaza which has clearly been a huge mistake. Not only has it retarded Zaza development, but Josh’s as well. If Josh had been moved to SF a couple years ago, he would be an All Star SF by now.
Josh, Al, and particularly Zaza are all solid offense rebounders. The team has not been able to develop naturally. Trading JJ DOES NOT make this team better; it makes different, period! The Nets are clearly not going to add Lopez which is the one position that the Hawks need deperately. So the Hawks will take marginal players, a player with POTENTIAL (Brooks, he’s from the Atlanta), or Humpries, and cap space. DOES this trade make the Hawks better, NO!
Find a way to dump or amnesty Marvin. Move Josh to SF and make him the featured player. He becomes BATMAN and JJ becomes ROBIN his natural role. If the team does not progress, all the trades concerning JJ, Josh, and Al can be worked. Keep the core excluding Marvin for one more year!
Resign Ivan and Dampier as bench Bigs and vets mins in supporting roles.
GA Hawks!

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6 players last year had a defensive rebounding rate > 25% and offensive rebounding rate > 12%.

Cousins, Camby, Asik, Verejao, Gray, and Evans.

Aaron Gray is a little surprising.

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SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON MOVING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHO CARES ABOUT THIS NOTHING TEAM ???

FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE THUG FANS WHO DO !!!! WHAT A WASTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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As opposed to Harden: (nothing against him)

I would rather take a run at 0J Mayo.
-reasoning-
Mayo probably would take less $ to sign.

Mayo & Teaguer = two combo guards.
Mayo great pick & roll guard.
Teaguer better defense on opponent pg.
[divergent skills]
Mainly – Mayo should not tie up so much $.

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MC

Do you think we`ll hear something this eve ?

-concerning Joe to Brooklyn being finalized-

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Bulls’ system allowed just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with Asik off court. That’s great. With him on? 89.7. 8 POINTS BETTER THAN GREAT.

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Grandad,

Some reports have the Nets waiting to hear from Deron before pulling the trigger on Joe.

He meets with the Nets and the Mavs tomorrow. We may not know until tomorrow night, or even sometime Tuesday.

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No thanks to Wallace. Give me whatever King is offering plus a ‘14 top 5 protected draft pick and let’s get this thing moving.

G’dad, Mayo would be at the top of my list also (of the UFA SGs). I liked the way he handled his “demotion” last year, he showed nice maturity. I don’t think he is as good as they made him out to be coming out of the draft but I do think he has a good skill set at what would likely be a good price (I’m thinking around $6M).

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Sautee

Gotcha … wishful thinkin` has me on the Edge 0` My Seat !

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Man Chicago has the best attendance and even they won’t go into the luxury tax.

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And that means these owners learned NOTHING from the lockout . . or it was all a ruse to get the players to take less money in the first place. They’re still spending money out of control on mediocre talent.

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Some folks are gonna hate it, but Astro Joe is right. Josh is exceedingly talented, but is NOT a team leader (lack of focus) and can’t be built around anymore than Joe can (though for different reasons).

That, and he wants out. Could this be made to work? Yeah, if you rewind back a couple of years and un-name him as a team captain….

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Jerry West,

Zaza at the age 21 was the Hawks starting Center and he averaged 12 pts and 9 rebounds. It is only logical to conclude he would have developed if allowed to play. He will never be a great shot blocker, but neither was Bill Lamibeer. Lamibeer was a solid robounder, decent scorer with a mi-range shot, and enforcer. Now, does Zaza remind you of anyone?
Josh has improved his game every year in the league. He played both SF and PF with the Atlanta Celtics and in high school. It is only logical to conclude if moved to SF and coached that his game would develop.

WOW!

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MC,

I am in the minority of people wanting to trade Joe Johnson before the season. I was in favor of keeping the team intact and bringing in a veteran point guard (Andre Miller?) because the team is competitive enough to beat the best teams in the East if they execute better. What do you believe the chances are that Ferry will allow Drew to keep the team core as is by the time the season starts? I personally think we should amnesty Marvin and bring in two players under his old salary.

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Joe D,

Dude, Zaza’s best 2 years were with Marvin on the team. If anything cut into Zaza’s growth it was Horford’s arrival (not that I’m complaining about Al). And after that, you had a couple years where it looked like Woody and LD forgot he was on the team (until the 2011 playoffs).

Josh is best-suited to be a PF in the NBA. Damn what he did in HS or AAU.

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So if Green insists on a 4 yr $20M deal, do you give it to him just to complete the deal? The man is a free agent. He’s got to look out for himself.

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TMACfan

I will be right there with you;
callin` for the fans to be 1st class and remember the positives
Joe brought to our franchise.
Especially comim` here when no one else would consider such.

However, now is time for us both to move on.

I for one will cheer for Joe upon return *’`one`’* time.
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every time he plays against everyone but us.

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JJ for anyone but Isaiah Rider and I’m in.

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Joe Johnson, I have appreciate what you did over the years in a Hawks uniform. Thank you Sir, but the Hawks have to move on. It’s not personal but just business (just like you accepted the max contract). So go ahead and get your uhaul packed. The Hawks will send you your new address as soon as they can finalize the best deal…

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If josh is traded or if he leaves dats my new team. Leave da man alone.

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I like JJ, I just don’t like the contract ASG handed him. If Danny Boy can shed that hefty sumbich in one week, I’m all in.

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They can keep Petro and Jordan Williams give us Farmar, Brooks, Morrow and a S&T Humphries and Tyshawn Taylor as a 3rd string guard.

Kris Humphries is a walking double double he may cost more than Green but how is a double double every night not worth it for a team that struggled rebounding, he goes after it.

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Joes knees and fatigue problems were enough of a sign for me this year. It’s well past time to break the core and reload while they have good trade value.

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I would prefer Green too, simply to balance our team out.

Im not crazy about the deal, but if the Hawks going to do it, I would want Brooks, Green, and Farmar. Since we drafted Jenkins, Morrow isnt reallly a necessity so they can keep him and Petro if they want.

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Fundamentals, Josh didn’t hurt his knee in a significant way until game 2 of the playoffs. Also, if you hustle as much as Josh does, and is the only consistent line of defense night in and night out, you may have fatigue problems also. In a shortened season, most best players on team were fatigued and worn down by the end of the season.

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http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/hawks_hold_ongoing_johnson_talks_with_at_least_six_teams/11130359

It looks as if Ferry has more than 1 option in trading JJ.

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Gerald Green is talented I will give him that, but he only played half a season in an already shortened season and had his tank on full.

Kris Humphries finished his second year for the Nets averaging a double double finishing all 62 games while playing 35 minutes per not to mention he is a decent shotblocker and plays with a chip on his shoulder similar to Ivan, he is who we want if the trade goes down.

I agree, Im not totally sold on Green, he was playing for a contract. But it just wouldnt make much financial sense to get Humphries unless you plan on trading Josh or Horford.

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Andre Miller is off the market. He resigned with the Nuggets

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As much as I know we need to move Joe, it would be mighty strange to not see him in a Hawk uniform. Same would have been if Josh was in trades talks right now. We really could have had an awesome team as is if Josh would play to his strengths and Joe could make his decisions quicker. It shouldn’t be that hard for Joe to come off screens for a quick catch n shoot play, instead of all the dribbling. Im just afraid that Joe will head to Brooklin playing up to his contract.

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I think Green just finally “got it” last season. He realized that it might be his last chance to stick in the NBA so he finally put in the work. All his coaches last year were talking about how much film he watches now, all the questions he asks, and how he works on his game. I saw on interview where he said when he came in the NBA he just took it for granted and being out of the league and not knowing if he would ever play again made him realize how much work he has to put in and how he wont take it for granted next time. I would prefer Humphries too but I think Green is a good fit because his price tag wont be high and he is a guy that can push Marvin for minutes.

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The thought of moving an all-star should bring back some kind of value other than cap space. A #1 is fine, but not as valuable once the Nets start winning games.
Brooks would be a minimum choice because we are ultra thin at SG. We can’t count on Jenkins for anything next year.
I’m for taking a stab at Lopez even if the Nets balk. I see nothing wrong with returning one of their starters in return.

But here we are with discussions ongoing with 20 teams and I’m glad its been proven we aren’t heading into next year with the same lineup. LD better simplify the offense for the young guns we are going to have on the court.

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Marc J. Spears: Nets still trying to get trade done for Hawks guard Joe Johnson and hoping to get resolved by mid-week, sources tell Yahoo! Sports. Twitter

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Nothing against Humphries because he is a workhorse, but that is the last position I have concern about. How is he as an interior defender?
I’m not thinking he puts up much of a road block.
Yes, this is all about Joe, but I can’t see Josh being here either. For me who was adamant about it earlier with Woody being his coach, Josh and LD are not a good combination mainly because of LD.

If we had hired Avery when we had a shot, perhaps the results here would have been more acceptable than watching LD ‘trying’ to coach a team to be a success.
I don’t miss Woody, and I will miss LD less, and I wish that could happen this offseason as well. You think LD will just get frustrated by losing all his core parts and just walk away. Probably not going to be that fortunate.

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When we trade Al Horford and Get rid of JJ this team will be much better. I cant wait to see Josh and D12 showing what the A-town is all about. Dwight doesnt fell like Al is upper shelf material and wont come here to play for a 3rd tier player. but he has no problem playing with his boy and best buddy. He Put New Jersey on his list not because its a major market but because they had salary cap space to get him paid. With JJ and Al (12 – 15 Million) off the payroll that leaves a ton to get D12 paid and Josh signed.. If you dont believe me Just check out this public statement from D12 and Josh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ryxASWBxA

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KevinM I take Woody over Drew any day any time.

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I think this issue will be over after Williams chooses where he is going to. But it makes me wonder did the ASG sign off about this and what about JJ and rest of the Hawks feelings about this.

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Again, for this trade, I’ll take Green. With what would be the loss of Joe & the fact that Josh is still a Hawk, we’d have much more need for a SG (w/ upside by the way) than a PF…as enticing as his double double’s may be. Take Green, resign Ivan, & see about hanging on to Josh. Now, if we lose Josh, Humphries would fill that void nicely. But, again, for THIS trade & not assuming we’re losing Josh, I’ll take Green.

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Hey guys this deal fell through but its being revived in another form… Check it out

The latest NBA rumors out there are focusing on the Atlanta Hawks and Al Horford. The latest rumor has Horford headed to the Charlotte Bobcats for the second pick in the 2012 NBA Draft. This would help the Hawks cut some salary and they would pick up a cheap replacement for Horford.

I think this deal would make a lot of sense for both teams. The Hawks are stuck in basketball hell, as they have no chance to win a title with the roster. If you move Horford and then trade Josh Smith for picks, you clear up some roster space to fill with new picks. Amnesty Joe Johnson and you take a money hit, but you also clear up a new wave of talent to take over.

This works for the Bobcats, as they would get an All-Star center. There is no guarantee the guy that they take with the second pick ever becomes an All-Star. With the moves they have had this offseason, they might just scare a couple of teams in the Eastern Conference. Adding Horford at least gives them a quality post player under control.

The Bobcats are apparently entertaining five offers for the second pick, but I think this could be the best of the bunch. You get a young center on reasonable contract. He is an All-Star type guy and gives you desperately needed front court help. The Hawks get younger and cheaper. Win-win for both teams if you ask me.

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Latest offer per Marc Stein:

The most recent proposal, sources said Sunday night, would call for the Nets to send the expiring contracts of Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro, Anthony Morrow and Jordan Williams along with the signed-and-traded DeShawn Stevenson and a future first-round pick to Atlanta in exchange for Johnson.

Damn, Nets are playing a bit of hardball. I still probably do that to get out from under. Stevenson’s deal better be for like 1 yr though. Put Brooks in there and it’s a done deal.

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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8119934/brooklyn-nets-atlanta-hawks-talk-joe-johnson-trade-sources-say

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Wow, 5 ppl and future 1st for one player. Nets, you almost got it, just give us Brooks (local guy) and you got yourself a deal.

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Joe seems (these days, anyway) to get one of those injuries every year where he struggles badly for several games. It’s great as an alibi for him, but hurts the team each time. So much for aging gracefully, as was suggested. It ain’t gonna get better.

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The Nets will try to get the Joe Johnson deal done on Monday. That should help convince D-Will to re-up with the Nets. The Hawks will want to finish this deal ASAP so they can move on other players before all the good free agents are signed.

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hawks need to get this done and get a younger star to team up with Josh, AL and Jeff T

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Yall got to shed that 12 – 15 million Al is making. next. How the hell is Danny Ferry gonna do that?

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The hawks wont get rid of Horford unless Howard comes to Atlanta which is unlikely. Horford is a young allstar center

GO HAWKS

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To be honest i think ferry going after dwight after he gets the joe johnson deal done

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Once Joe is Traded the Hawks need to trade Marvin to anyone. Who cares who we get back. Once those two players are gone we can trade Orlando Horford and Hinrich for DHoward

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Work through the nite Mr Ferry.

“Git er done”

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“I’ve been begging [general manager] Rick Sund and the Hawks for the last three years – please get a center so my son can pay his normal position,” the elder Horford said Tuesday from his home in the Dominican Republic. “He can’t push guys out of the box like I could. If he moved to forward, he would have a longer career.” – Tito Horford .

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Damn Al’s longer Career we are trying to win a championship. We need to hurry up and trade Al’s soft ass. And his pappy too.

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“Sources say that the Nets are insisting that the trade includes at least one of their free agents via sign-and-trade — such as Stevenson or Gerald Green — in hopes of keeping themselves over the salary cap. That would allow Brooklyn to keep its mid-level exception to sign an additional free agent”

I don’t blame the Hawks for not wanting to do a S-n-T. I would prefer the additional cap space to sign a player i want instead of taking on a contact of an unwanted player.

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Hes undersized he original position is pf that doesn’t make him soft. I know u don’t watch hawks games

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Id prefer green because Brooks is more of an one on one player and takes too many shots but he is 4 years younger

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Tell Al Horford this is how a Man protects the rim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJkJJU1oVDI

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LOL Horford still averaged more blocks than Griffin

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Lopez is HORRIBLY overrated. Soft, soft, soft.
Gasol is HORRIBLY overrated. Soft, soft, soft … and OLD.

I don’t like Lopez and the guys we would be getting at all .. but .. if it takes Joe Johnson’s contract off our hands it would be worth it. Joe is the best player mentioned in the Nets deal by FAR, but he is overpaid and his contract kills the Hawks flexibility.

As for Josh Smith, I wouldn’t trade him for Gasol straight up and considering the Lakers are wanting ‘other pieces’ in the trade I think they are straight up delusional.

Would Josh want to stay if we can somehow move Joe and then use that to restructure and give Josh more money .. while bringing in more talent around him? I think we could fill in a Free Agent and give Jenkins and Hinrich some tiem at 2G without missing a beat, but we MUST have someone that will pull the defense off Horford. Al should be who we run the offense thru and with Joe gone it might actually happen.

Even if Joe stays I hope they realize that Joe would excel if we run the offense thru Al and let Joe run free a little more. Joe handling the ball for 60-70% of the game is NOT what he should be used for at this stage of his career. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are perfect examples. When the Boston offense runs thru them, they suffer and the team suffers. Same with the Hawks.

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Man hurry up and get the trade done before the Nets come off their high.

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this guy is destroy the team…. you are gutting a good team for what purpose, to have money to spend on who. once a playoff team, soon to be the Bobcats…. ARE YOU F**KING KIDDING ME MAN…. who once to to go to a game and watch a bunch of scrubs…. You should be adding pieces…
Teague 24, Johnson 31, Smith 26, Horford 25, Pachuilla 27, Williams 25 find a damn coach who can work with the talent thats available.

with these moves, soon to be ex hawk fan

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silenthawksblogger
July 2nd, 2012
2:06 am

Has anyone noticed that Ivan is a restricted free agent? Why did we get no report that the Hawks gave him an offer before the deadline?

Hawks did not appreciate his services.

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I love Joe but the contract is killing us if the Hawks cannot win with him and so far they havent found a way. Somebod has to go. IF the hawks can make ANY trade that that frees up a signifint amoun of money quickly, I do NOT CARE WHO the Hawks get in return for that “flexibility” Ferry is taling about. If you do not have ANY flexibility, you cant make any moves that must be made and ARE STUCK. I do not care. Free up that cap room and cash and go shopping. The Hawks STILL will have Teague, Horford, Josh, Zaza and Jenkins. That will make the playoffs by itself. Add in the players in trade for Joe and maybe another SHREWD during the season next year and things will NO be any worse than this season. ALso add in the possibility of trading Josh for a CENTER!!!!! sincet hey wont use Zaza enough and THEN come the summer of 2013, the Hawks will be in th catbirds seat. Personally it wouldnt ut my feelins to stink it up in 2012-2013 and get a good draft pick to go along with the cash and trades to add QUALITY depth and MAYBE even TRADE UP for a difference maker. FLEXIBILITY will come from trading JOE and no other way. Possibilities are endless if Joe is traded and the ONLY question is are we looking to o ALL out for 2012 OR wait for 2013? That is why Ferry gets paid the big bucks and I guess he will decide by how things go this summer. But trade Joe if you can free up much needed cap room. Dont care who you get in return to be honest.

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Dwight ain’t comin’ to dis fugazi ass city! Yall need to quit BOI STOP

I’m bout to go practice shootin’ mo’ threes!

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This Al block is better though

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Farmar, Morrow, Petro, Tyshawn, Brooks S&T with Green/Humphries and future 1st. Tell them take it or leave it.

Half of those guys are barely rotational players, Nets are trying to low-ball us for a top 20 talent. If Nuggets got what they got we can squeeze something out similar to the trade above. If not it was reported we had other teams interested, this trade doesn’t end because BK doesn’t want to give us Brooks other teams have expiring that are looking to get a guy like JJ, patience is key.

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A source close to the situation confirmed reports that Howard requested a trade yet again Friday, telling new Magic general manager Rob Hennigan that he wanted out during a meeting in Los Angeles. The source said the Magic’s ears are certainly open for business when it comes to trade calls now, and various reports indicate talks are heating up with the Hawks, Lakers and Nets. SI.com

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@cory,

For one thing tyson chandler isn’t a superstar, neither is amare, and ray allen is def not super star.

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Just wanted to swing by and say that I thought the picks made were good ones. I think you’ll like MIKE SCOTT. I say that because I’ve seen him play. My grandson gets free tickets as he’s verbally committed to UVA in baseball. He’ll be down for the East Coast [East Cobb] baseball extravaganza starting the sixth.

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A source close to the situation confirmed reports that Howard requested a trade yet again Friday, telling new Magic general manager Rob Hennigan that he wanted out during a meeting in Los Angeles. The source said the Magic’s ears are certainly open for business when it comes to trade calls now, and various reports indicate talks are heating up with the Hawks, Lakers and Nets.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/07/02/nba-free-agency-steve-nash-dwight-howard-deron-williams/index.html#ixzz1zSo8bgH9

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Some things I did not know.

We rank 13th in total commericals according to hoopshype and Josh is our most marketable player on that list in terms of commericals though.

Well actually it was T-mac last year, but on a normal year it’s Josh.

Way down the list is Horford at 72
Then a little more down is Joe Johnson at well their tied for #72.

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After giving this a little thought, seems to me the Hawks have to trade JJ now. If they don’t, they’ll risk a polarized locker room and a ticked off JJ. Not a good way to start the season. It may not be the Nets, but I’d be shocked if he’s here much longer.

As the saying goes … “If you’re going to kill the king, you better be sure to kill the king.”

As for Dwight, I’d say pass. He doesn’t want to play here, so why pay out assets for a guy who will promptly leave at the end of the year?

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I would still rather trade Horford for Dwight even if it is a rental…… at least you would show the fans you trade to bring in a big time player. bring in Dwight and give him a reason to stay. just win baby win!!!!!!!!!

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I for one think Ferry is trying to rob Nets of all their assets so in turn HE can make a trade for Dwight while also freeing up a ton of cap next season when he would eventually re-sign both him and Josh to big contracts. Something like Horford, Brooks and 2 first rounders for Dwight.

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Wow Jae, imwouldmhave to think long and hard on that one. If you could convince me Josh would play inside, I’m all in for that deal……
We then have….

D12 / Josh / Teague with the small ‘hope’ D12 and Josh resign here…..talk about a dilemma that would take all year to resolve!! We would have to compete very well to keep them here IMO.

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Trade Joe for a bunch Bags, are you kidding me, do us as true Hawks fans really want go back to 20games a year, HELL NO.

Nothing is guarantee in the lottery so why would anybody want starte all over and rebuild unless the team is old as dirt like the Celtics, who is hanging on by the thread because they understand how hard is to get back on top, that why they traded for superstar and started the big 3 trend.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If the Hawks trade Joe get some talent back no a bunch scrubs, look the Hawks are still young, if Danny is talking about tearing down the team and starting all over he better be carefull, it took the Hawks 8years to get back to atleast being contender, do season ticket holders and true Hawks fans want this 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 years or even longer to get back in playoffs, go ask Celtics, Clippers, and many other teams, who trying to do the same thing every year and rebuild and continue 2 lose fans and revenue as the years go on.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Trade Joe to a team with Valuable asset, yes Joe make 20mill but there are team with talent will take on his contract.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bulls, Heat, and now Nets.

As the Hawks fall back hoping they land a superstar, it could be years on down the road before that happen.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Joe for Lopez if not then move on 2 next team, so that mean no for me because we all no Nets are holding on Lopez to get D 12.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Man, 5 scrubs (likely 7-13 on the roster hierarchy) for Joe. Talk about a complete salary dump. My only concern is taking back so many bad players, I wish it were only 3 and not 5. Tegaue and Farmar are very similar players, so we won’t have much diversity at the PG position. Morrow, JJ2 and Stevenson (ugh) will all stay at the 3-point line waiting for a pass and who is Jordan Williams? Oh, and Petro gets to sit at the opposite end of LD.

Boy, I hope there is another team that can get in the mix for Joe. 5 scrubs?

If the Lakers get D12, I hope that he can make a move to acquire either Bynum or Gasol.

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Oh and the misinformation being posted last night was staggering. The funniest (and dumbest) was the old Al for #2 post… a few days AFTER the draft. That was from an article by an ESPN writer who looked at various draft day related trade scenarios that HE came up with. He wasn’t reporting them as “sources say”, he was making ish up.

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darrell,

The Hawks are not going to get Lopez. If the Nets do not get Howard, they need him as their center and if they do get Howard they will need Lopez as the center piece to make the deal with the Magic.

The Hawks should require the Nets include Farmar, Brooks, Williams, Petro, and the Nets first round pick in the trade.

The Hawks line up would be:
PG-Teague, Farmar
SG-Brooks, Jenkins
SF-Josh S, Marvin
PF-Horford, Williams, Scott
C-Zaza, Petro
* Now they have cap room to go get a starting SF if the Josh for Gasol trade goes through.

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“Anyone notice how long Danny took to show you how flawed he thought this model was going forward? If anyone thinks he and Sund are on the same page……Sund is as much a factor as Rich McKay is.”

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Amen, Kevin. It’s all a little hard to believe really – I would not have believed a guy like Ferry would come here … and the ASG would step back in order to let him do his thing (that part remains to be seen, I suppose).

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The unrestricted free agent point guard, Jonny Flynn, has received interest from the Cleveland Cavaliers and the Atlanta Hawks, a source tells CSNNW.com.

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@ Mike

There is no way the Nets can take on Dwight , Devon , & JJ’s contract . Devon WIlliams will want Howard ALOT more than JJ .

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Astro Joe,

That was a very entertaining senerio of “the decline of the Hawks” that you just wrote. I don’t think Ferry will take the Hawks that deep into puratory to straighten out the mess that the three previous GM’s have put us in.

Don’t you think the Josh/Marvin trade for Gasol will happen after the Joe to the Nets trade happens?

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I am glad that I can help but I got a feeling this issue will be taken care of in the next couple of days

@Hoops,

That ship sailed a couple of days ago. I think that Josh will be shipped but its going to be later.

@MC, do you know how some of the Hawks players is feeling about this rumor? I will like to see how JJ feels about it.

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Joe Johnson only has 4 years 89 million left on his contract. Howard just having Back surgery and making it clear that he wants to be a Net, has pretty much guaranteed he will be accepting a paycut, and why not? He has pretty much done that by demanding to leave Orlando, a team that could pay him close to 30 million a year.

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Lost in all this JJ to the Nets talk is the fact that Farmar has actually turned into an ok backup PG. He’s 1 good piece in the trade. Morrow had a terrible year last year. If he can get back to shooting 44+% from 3, he’s an ok piece also. Stevenson has gone straight down hill. Petro has always been downhill.

Jordan Williams – 6-10 260 – maybe some potential there. 2nd round pick last year.

I like the Nets giving us a pick also.

If we could somehow come out of this with some combination of the following 4 pieces, I’d do it: Humphries, Green, Farmar, Brooks, Morrow, 1st pick. Any 4 of those 6 pieces, to get out from under JJ’s contract, do it. Or any 3, with the 1st pick thrown in.

And I’m not a JJ hater. I remember what like was like with a front office trading Jason Terry and Pau Gasol, and the years of misery and terrible draft picks.

JJ has led this team to 5 straight playoff appearances, final 8 3 times, made the All Star team 6 times. I like JJ and am not a hater.

His contract just doesn’t match his abilities. Gargantuan.

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Not sure if any mentioned it, but Jordan Williams could be a very good young guy for us next season. There’s little investment (similar to Mike Scott) and we let him come in and play in SL. He had some decent games last year on a bad team. He was getting about 20mpg, so he had a chance to develop.
So to me, the names look a bit better, and I would be content if Petro was replaced by Brooks….I’m buying then.

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Hoops, if the Lakers get Dwight, I’m not sure that they will make anymore changes to their frontcourt. Acquiring Gasol is a smart move if you want to trade production for production. But if Ferry is trading Joe for 5 guys named Moe, then it looks more like a rebuilding plan and not a reloading plan.

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What if this scenario happened – it’s actually quite plausible and possible:

We trade JJ for say – Brooks, Morrow. Farmar, Petro, And a 1st pick, or something close to that.

Dwight gets traded to Houston, because Orlando doesn’t care about Dwight’s “demands”.

And the Nets to make doubly sure that Dwight signs with them next summer offers us Lopez and Humphries for Smoove.

A team of D12, Smoove, Gerald Wallace, JJ, and DeRon next season would be incredible for the Nets.

And the Hawks would be ok also, at least with cap space.

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Sources are saying Dwight ONLY wants to go to Brooklyn. If he doesn’t get traded there , then he will sign there next summer. So would Brookly still want Joe if Dwight is coming? Can they afford Deron, Dwight & Joe? Would they still take Joe if Deron goes to the Mavs (assuming they can acquire Dwiht)? It seems to me that they have to get at least one of those guys on board before they trade for Joe.

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SteveW.

Why would you want that? Come back to Earth. Thats not good for Atlanta.

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AJ, is Anakin making a comeback?

“I’d rather have a lottery pick than watch them hopefully win 1 game in the playoffs.”

AJ, you DO realize that even WITH Joe we only won 2 games this year in the playoffs. We are truly in basketball purgatory.

I’m patient enough to wait and see all of Ferry’s off-season moves before I’ll put on sack cloth and ashes and declare the current Hawks a corpse. But hey, if you are trying to beat the rush, then ok.

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Well AJ and OB I see Andre Miller finally got some respect. He has signed a three year deal in Denver with Karl to stay out his career. He would have been perfect for us as he left Philly. It is the guy I would have persued heavily and maybe his total cost to date would have been lower than the whole of what we paid of Bibby without the cost of having to deal to get Hinrich. That is who I often compare Bibby to and we failed to go higher as Andre made his rounds while we sat and paid out of our azzes to have the “luxury” of having a declining Bibby to get us in the playoffs maybe one year.

Bibby was more expensive and cost us Chills in his prime years or someone of equal ilk, shortened our bench and negated any attempt to accommodate the need of a real big because of his contract with al, Joeh and JJ combined leaving little room to maneuver without us going into the tax badlands the BASG refused to go. Good for Andre.

Welll will it be a smokescreen or are we really leaving the summer of sameness?

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I think the nets can afford dwight next season but not this season if they get deron and joe. Also I think as a owner I would wait till next season so I can see how dwight plays coming off that back injury/surgery.

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Sautee, sure with Joe and a hurt Josh, Zaza and Al, we only won 2 playoff games. Not to mention we had homecourt advantage this past summer. I would not expect an Al, Josh and Teague core to produce a near 60% winning percentage during the regular season. If your best case forecast is closer to the 8th seed, what’s the point (especialliy if you’re in rebuild mode)? Tell Josh and Al to go fishing a month early and land that lottery pick.

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Dang it blog monster ate up my post GRRRR!!!

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@ Hoops

Everyone knows that D.Howard is the reason SVG was fired it’s too late for him on that front.

Still everyone posting trades let us get done with this one first.

Everyone b*tching a moaning about these scrubs we get back truth is it’s better than nothing just getting out of that one contract that chained us down for 6 years is the best darn thing ever right now.

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We just need to give Ferry time at least I’m actually excited for the offseason more so than the past 8 years for the hawks.

Especially now that MC has told us there are like 50+ players the hawks want to go after. Just like others were saying it wasn’t fair to judge Ferry with the work that happened in Cleveland that was more the owner’s fault in every way possible.

Even the coach Mike Brown didn’t have much control over what happened.

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Marc Stein and Chad Ford update their report on the Nets pursuit of Joe Johnson early Monday with news that the deal remains stuck on the issue of whether MarShon Brooks should be dispatched to Atlanta. However, it now appears that the Hawks are willing to accept a signed-and-traded DeShawn Stevenson, rather than Gerald Green, in the package.

Similarly, Marc J. Spears tweets, “Nets still trying to get trade done for Hawks guard Joe Johnson and hoping to get resolved by mid-week, sources tell Yahoo! Sports.”

Stein and Ford write that the two sides are trying to “tweak” the proposal to help the Nets’ financial flexibility. Still, the major sticking point remains the Nets’ reluctance to include Brooks in the deal. A New Jersey native, Brooks grew up in Atlanta.

According to the report, “One big stumbling block, sources said, is Atlanta’s insistence that Brooklyn include promising Nets guard MarShon Brooks in the trade to ensure that, in addition to shedding Johnson’s hefty contract, it gets back at least one on-the-rise player.” The most recent proposal would call for the Nets to send Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro, Anthony Morrow and Jordan Williams along with the signed-and-traded Stevenson and a future first-round pick to Atlanta in exchange for Johnson. The Nets are also unwilling to sign off on the deal till Deron Williams re-signs.

The two ESPN writers quoted a source as saying, “The Nets want Joe and they’re one of the few teams that can take on his contract.”

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Getting back those scrubs is essentially the equivalent of nothing. That’s why people are bytching and moaning. No way should the Hawks come out of this without a draft pick or two + an asset we could use right now.

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A lot of teams will be interested in a six time all-star with 4 years and 89 million. I am sure Hawks will get a deal done. Heard that Houston and Golden State has inquired about Joe Johnson.

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I want to know who are these “other teams” talking to the Hawks.

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For all the people who think we can just tank and get a superstar
Ðeron Williams
Chris Paul
Lebron James
Chris Bosh
Carmelo Anthony
Kevin Garnett
Ray Allen
Steve Nash
Pao Gasol
Kobe Bryant
Dwight Howard
All of those stars do not play for the teams that drafted so while you hope to strike gold in the lottery good luck trying to keep that star while you try and get good again and end up right back where you started after going another 8 yrs of not being in the plAyoffs

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I can guess that easy
Brooklyn
Houston
Golden State
Orlando (or Josh, but Josh is number 1)
Lakers
and few others

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I’ll give Ferry credit for being active instead of reactive, thats a change to the culture already. A one year rental of D12 does nothing for me, I would have to have a gaurantee on a long term deal. We all know how dwight has been waffling back and forth so…….

Horford is grossly overrated IMO…Ivan the terrible gave us close to the same production while ol softee was on the mend.

Sessions would be a better option behind Teague than Johnny Flynn the undersized chucker.

See what it would take to keep Josh and get it done, if he genuinely wants to leave -we should be exploring trades for him ASAP as he be harder to replace than Joe Cool aka David Blaine.

Josh for Paul George/Psycho T

I really Like Royce White -I think he is going to be a top 10 SF/PF in the next couple years.
Boston will be loaded next yr. with the additions of Jeff green, Sullinger,Melo Jermaine Oneal, Avery B and possibly Ray Allen……The C’s are gearing up for one last run.

Will the Lakers take Josh/Marvin/2nd for Bynum…..if so get’er dun…

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[...] Hawks: According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, GM Danny Ferry is focused on “salary cap flexibility.” As you know, Joe Johnson will be hogging a large portion of the Hawks’ cash—about $80 [...]

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Follow up trades:

Farmar and Marvin for Devin Harris and Raja Bell.

Morrow and 1st rd pick for Derrick Williams.

Jordan Williams to Bobcats for cash considerations and/or a 2nd rd pick.

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If Joe gets traded, I wont necessarily be eager to let Marvin go anymore cause this SHOULD give him the necessary room to shine and demand the ball more with Joe gone.

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#1) This trade isn’t about “tanking” to get a superstar. This trade is about allowing ourselves the possibility of building an actual title contender sooner than 4 years from now (when Joe’s contract expires). You need, as the Finals showed, AT LEAST one bonafide superstar to truly contend. As long as the non-superstar-Joe & his superstar contract is on the books, we can’t afford a legit superstar & won’t be able to do so for the next four years. Shedding his contract at least gives up hope of drafting/signing a superstar much sooner than 4 years from now. #2) Folks, we’re not getting Howard. Let it go. He’s already said there’s only one team he’ll accept a trade to…& it’s not the Hawks. It’s not happening…under any scenario. Please let it go.

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At this point, Atlanta only have about 9 million dollars in cap space. 61 million dollars tied up in 6 players. If it is Stevenson, Green, Humphries or the ball boy included in the deal, Atlanta needs to make a deal.

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Ray

July 2nd, 2012
11:44 am

@ Northcyde

Rather have what you consider 5 scrubs then having 1 guy that you can’t even bring in quality FA players.

That’s what has been happening the past 2 years.

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Wrong Ray.

The Hawks haven’t used their mid level exception or their bi-annual exception since re-signing Zaza. It would’ve put the Hawks over the Luxury Tax, but they could’ve used their mid level exception on a player last year. If they wanted to keep Jamal bad enough, they could’ve used it on him.

What will happen now, is that you’ll have that cap space to get those extra players. But just because you have 3 bodies worth 20 million instead of 1 body at 20 million, doesn’t mean that the product will improve on the court. Two of those 3 bodies better be viable players

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The way I’ve got this figured is:

1. The Hawks/Nets make this trade – Joe Johnson for Farmer(4.2M), Morrow(4.0M), Williams(.8M), Petro(3.5M), and Stevenson(1.1M), plus a 1st round pick.

2. The Hawks keep Josh for another year.

3. That gives the Hawks around 51M in salary. That will probably be 9-10M under the cap. Now, they have money to go after a trade for a starting SF.

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People, you can’t have it both ways (or so it seems). The good news is that we’re shedding Joe’s contract and we now have hope that with the needed cap flexibility we will be able to get quality players who can get us further in the playoffs. Obviously, we’re not getting those quality players from the Nets in the current proposed trade (that excludes Brooks). After Joe is traded (and Marvin goes via amnesty), I think we’ll be around $10M under the cap. Is there a free agent out there this summer who can make a huge impact for $10M? Some nice players but probably none that would make a huge impact at that price. So sign a few guys to a 1 year deal and go for the gold next summer. Ferry is attempting to acquire a draft pick from the Nets, he is trading known production for guys with expiring deals who barely played for a wretched Nets team and he will likely jettison Marvin. It all looks, sounds and smells like rebuilding. Embrace it (I have). Don’t try and convince yourself that Farmar becomes Russell Westbrook, Jordan Williams becomes Blake Griffin and Anthony Morrow turns into Ray Allen. Hold your nose and take the medicine of being awful for a single season in hope that all is so much better a year from now. It’s like an extended stay with your in-laws… as long as you have reason to believe that it won’t last forever, you can deal with it.

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Marvin Williams will be traded before the season starts, probably package in a deal with a player we receive from Johnson/Nets deal. Hopefully anyway.

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Hoops

July 2nd, 2012
12:19 pm

The way I’ve got this figured is:

1. The Hawks/Nets make this trade – Joe Johnson for Farmer(4.2M), Morrow(4.0M), Williams(.8M), Petro(3.5M), and Stevenson(1.1M), plus a 1st round pick.

2. The Hawks keep Josh for another year.

3. That gives the Hawks around 51M in salary. That will probably be 9-10M under the cap. Now, they have money to go after a trade for a starting SF.

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Hoopshype top 10 available SFs

1) Nicolas Batum
2) Andrei Kirilenko
3) Gerald Wallace
4) Antwan Jamison
5) Michael Beasley

6) Grant Hill
7) Carlos Delfino
8] Josh Howard
9) Mickael Pietrus
10) CJ Miles

Which guy do you want with that cap space we now got?

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“Is there a free agent out there this summer who can make a huge impact for $10M?”

I’ll take Steve Nash for 10M Johnny! I then have a Jeff Teague to dangle for another move.

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northcyde,

Under that scenario, I’d choose ancient Grant Hill. If we are trying to change the culture, he’d be a LOT more valuable than just his on court contributions.

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If the Nets put this deal on the table, the Hawks need to take it yesterday. This is probably going to be their one and only opportunity to move this contact. Let the rebuilding process begin now. Next up, Smoove, Marvin, and Drew.

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Someone asked for proof on D12 to Atlanta:
“A source close to the situation confirmed reports that Howard requested a trade yet again Friday, telling new Magic general manager Rob Hennigan that he wanted out during a meeting in Los Angeles. The source said the Magic are open for business on trade calls now, and various reports indicate that talks are heating up with the Hawks, Lakers and Nets. SI.com”

We will get a deal done with NJ IMO:
“League sources believe the Johnson-to-Brooklyn deal has a strong chance of happening in the next 48 hours. If it does, it just goes to show you that you can have any collective bargaining agreement you want — there’s still no substitute for having one of the richest men on the planet own your basketball team. CBSSports”

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Ferry insistence of MarShon Brooks inclusion in the trade of Joe Johnson speaks volumes to me. As I understand that the Hawks are also taking steps to improve in their playoff status, not just making on the fly moves. What is there not to be excited about if you are a Hawks fan?

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Thank for nothing MC! I guess I’ll just read the blogs and continue to find out more info before you do. Give Jon Steinberg a call and see if he could help you out in your step-behind reporting.

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The Hawks = The Nets is 2 years..

In 2 years we will be trying to trade for someones OVER PRICED B-levevl star, when we already have one on this team.

Joe would get a MAX DEAL if he was a free agent this year… He would be the #2 free agent on the board and the #1 SG. I want someone to tell who these MAGICAL FREE agents we are going to sign, that are going to make us better than JJ has….. He/she ISN’T OUT THERE!!!!!

Eric Gordon(injury prone)/ Hibbert/Batum(3rd or 4th option) are all about to get MAX DEALS 14-15mil a year and none of them could HOLD JJ JOCK STRAP…. But he is overpaid? The NBA is the overpaid league.

Don’t change your SCREEN NAME when this plan blows up in his(Ferry’s) face…and don’t come on this blog complaining when we are the 7th seed instead of the 2nd, 3rd or 4th. or when DWade gets hurt next year and the Nets and JJ make it to the Finals… When is should have been us.

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How will the hawks be nets in two years nets don’t have Teague Josh Horford

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@Northcyde,

Back home in Tennessee, we were taught to never limit your possibilities of solving your problems. In the trade with the nets that the Hawks are working on, there are many pplayers that could be used in a trade. I would never just look at the available small forward FA’s. I would look at the entire FA pool and choose the one’s that I liked best. Then I would see what assests I have available to make the best move for my team. If I don’t find a player that I can get right now, I would save my money and go get’um next summer. That’s what my Dad taught me bout tradin’.

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Josh will be back once the hawks trade away Johnson and Marvin. Then Josh will stay because he knows that the organization is heading the right way.

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The Hawks couldnt get out of the first round this year with Joe but if he is traded to the Nets they suddenly go from a lottery team to the finals? Really?

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Rufus1

You can’t tell me you didn’t see the drop in J. Johnson’s productivity this past season. For the production he gave does not equal his pay. Yes, the Hawks can find his production cheaper and younger. One player that comes to mind is Nick Young.

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Can someone please tell me what did the attendance used to be like at the old Omni? Was most games close to full capacity? I was only a kid living in south Georgia then so I wouldn’t know (and I was a Pippen and Bulls fan, not Hawks).

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MsDee,

If Joe gets traded, I wont necessarily be eager to let Marvin go anymore cause this SHOULD give him the necessary room to shine and demand the ball more with Joe gone..

We got rid of Al Harrington so Marvin could have room to shine. But the fact is Childress took minutes/shots away from Marvin, Flip took minutes/shots away from Marvin, Jamal took minutes/shots away from Marvin. Imo, He just isn’t very good. Room, or no room.

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Marvin needs to be gone right after joe is traded. He takes up 8million for less than 10 Pts and 4 reb. The hawks should try to get a defensive sf to guard the lebrons and durant and pierce

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Me

July 2nd, 2012
1:01 pm

Rufus1

You can’t tell me you didn’t see the drop in J. Johnson’s productivity this past season. For the production he gave does not equal his pay. Yes, the Hawks can find his production cheaper and younger. One player that comes to mind is Nick Young.

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JJ’s production didn’t drop this year, only his usage and shot attempts. If he’s traded to the Nets, don’t be surprised if the guy is averaging 20+ ppg again, when he’s getting 17+ shots again.

JJ did fail in the playoffs though. No denying that.

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Howard said he will go to any team the Magic trade him to, and will be a free agent the next year. If the hawks offer the magic the best deal the hawks can get Howard. Howard would not leave atlanta if that’s we’re he is from and is playing alongside a rising player in Teague and his good friend Smith

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northcyde,

Joe production didn’t drop this season. It dropped two seasons ago, right after he signed the Hawks future away for 6 years 123 million.

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Ra’mon,
no guarantees of what woulda/coulda/shoulda happened or revisionist history (on my part) re: Game 2 vs. BOS, but Josh got hurt after we gave up the big lead and were already down by 2-4 pts. late in the game. It only got worse from there, but it is not as though the momentum shifted at the same time Smoove’s knee did … I checked the game rewind on NBA.com after a lot of us lamented about his injury…not sure if we didn’t lose that one due to something else besides blaming Josh’s knee.

That said …. Josh will either be a building block or a trading chip ….

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Why do a lot of people act like the Hawks will suck and be a lottery team without Joe Johnson. Over the past couple of the years the the Hawks have had a higher winning percentage with Joe hurt than with him in the line up. That goes for teams over .500 to. I think the Hawks will be fine without Joe no matter who they get in return. I will put myself of record and say the Hawks will be a better team next year if they can make this trade with Joe Johnson happen. This is contingent on them keeping Josh though. You can’t trade both, only one or the other.

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Me

July 2nd, 2012
1:25 pm

northcyde,

Joe production didn’t drop this season. It dropped two seasons ago, right after he signed the Hawks future away for 6 years 123 million.

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No. His shot attempts dropped as soon as Drew took over the team and decided to spread the shot wealth. JJ had a horrible 3 point shooting % in 2010 – 11 allegedly because of a hand/elbow injury. Last year, he shot the ball very well, especially after the All-Star break. He just didn’t get as many shots as in previous years. In the playoffs, he failed . . along with everyone else not named Teague or Horford.

Shot attempts the last 3 years

2010: 18.2
2011: 16.1
2012: 15.5

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KCG

I totally agree!

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KCG

July 2nd, 2012
1:37 pm

Why do a lot of people act like the Hawks will suck and be a lottery team without Joe Johnson. Over the past couple of the years the the Hawks have had a higher winning percentage with Joe hurt than with him in the line up. That goes for teams over .500 to. I think the Hawks will be fine without Joe no matter who they get in return. I will put myself of record and say the Hawks will be a better team next year if they can make this trade with Joe Johnson happen. This is contingent on them keeping Josh though. You can’t trade both, only one or the other.

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Record of Lakers when Kobe played: 36 – 22 ( 62.1% )
Record of Lakers when Kobe didn’t play: 5 – 3 ( 62.5% )

Does this mean that the Lakers would be just as good without Kobe, if he weren’t on the team for a full season?

Now JJ is no Kobe by any stretch of the imagination. But the point would be that teams would gameplan to stop whomever was the lead dog of the Hawks in the absence of JJ.

As of right now, our lone shot creator on the perimeter . . . is Jeff Teague. And he’s driving to the basket. Jenkins can create his shot somewhat, but he’s better as a catch and shoot guy.

That’s why Brooks absolutely has to be part of this deal if it goes down.

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northcyde

Johnson’s salary does not match his production. That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Those numbers can be had at a cheaper price. But do know referring to “Production” means a complete skill set of performance. Hince= not worth the money.

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•RT @jdoggsmith: Joe Johnson joined instagram and his user name is imstartinova2… WOW! @Kris_Willis

For those who can decipher the message:
imstartingova2 = i’m starting over two

Hmmm, I wonder if he has his house in ATL on the market yet?

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I’m threw with Jamal Crawford he shot Portland out of a chance at the playoffs which is why they dumping him.

Jamal is not the answer to our problems what so ever.

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Marcus, O’B and myself were discussing the impact Al would’ve had on the series. And I said if Zaza was healthy that series, and Josh didn’t get hurt, Hawks won. And while you said the Celtic had the momentum. At that moment, the game was still manageable on your own home court. One of your only two consistent scorers go down, that is a big impact. Even down 2 at the time, I believe the Hawks win that game if Josh is healthy. Remember Boston made their big run with some of the starters out of the game. Boston is known for going stretches at a time without being able to score. And they were having problems scoring against the Hawks’ starters. And Josh was able to get a lot of things he wanted.

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Well, that is kinda of crazy but that means he already knows, oh well, Bye Joe. You have done the Hawks proud but that contract had to go.

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Joe’s performance does NOT equal his salary. But if Joe were a free agent today, how much would he get per year? A bad year for Joe is 18-19 PPG. So how much is a player worth who had his FGAs go down over the past 2 seasons and still scored ~19/game?

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AJ, the truth is the problem with this team isn’t Joe, Josh, or Al. The problem with this team is Sund’s contracts to players, and LD lack of demanding respect. However, because of the latter two, one or two of the former three will be moved. I totally agree, if Joe was making $ 3 million less a season, the Hawks would have a reasonable contract for his services, especially because of the time he was a free agent (value is all about when you purchased). And if LD followed through on benching Josh for untimely threes ( I have few issues with his mid range, because that improved dramatically- its more about when Josh shoots jumpers, not if he shoots jumpers), and if LD would’ve followed through on benching Joe for not being assertive and quicker once the ball gets in his hand, than the Hawks would be much better of a team, with the exact lineup they had (minus Whipping Boy Marvin of course). When LD was hired, he said his offense would force the ball to move, and make players move instead of being stagnant. I haven’t seen that.

Isn’t it funny how Joe should be used more coming off of screens, Josh should be used more on post and backdoor cuts, and Al should be used more in pick and pop/roll sets? Neither of the Hawks three best players are used in the manner that best suits their talents. So I don’t really believe its Josh idea to always be on the perimeter, or its Joe’s idea to always dribble for 5-8 seconds before making a move, or Al’s idea to simply be camped out at high post. I think its LD’s inability to DEMAND and TEACH whats needed to be successful!

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Good question Astro. If guys like Garnett and Nash are getting 10+ million contracts at close to 40 years old, JJ could easily secure a 12 – 15 million per year deal, if not more . . depending on how desperate a team was for his services.

I know most Hawk fans think the dude is a mediocre player, but a lot of teams would kill to have that dude, just like they’d kill to have Smith or Horford.

And that’s why you don’t simply do a salary dump for JJ. Get something for that dude.

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