Atlanta Hawks: Danny Ferry focused on salary cap ‘flexibility’ with trades

The word new Hawks GM Danny Ferry kept using after the draft Thursday was “flexibility” and nothing would create it more than trading guard Joe Johnson’s contract for players with shorter deals.

The Hawks were not close to any trades as of this afternoon, according to a person with knowledge of their plans, but talks are fluid. They’ve continued discussions with the Nets about Johnson, and clearly Brooklyn (feels weird to write that) has plenty of expiring contracts to offer in return.

Update 4:55 p.m.: ESPN.com’s Marc Stein reports that a discussed proposal would have the Nets sending Atlanta Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro, Anthony Morrow and Jordan Williams. According to Stein, the Hawks are insisting that former Tucker High star MarShon Brooks be included in the deal while Brooklyn would rather Atlanta take on one of its free agents in a sign-and-trade.

Stein also reports the Nets won’t make the trade until free agent guard Deron Williams commits to re-signing. Williams reportedly will meet with Brooklyn and Dallas tomorrow.

The Hawks could swing a deal that leaves them with massive amounts of cap space next summer. The Nets also have about $4.4 million in trade exceptions available, which function as a credit to be used against the salary-matching requirements. That means the Hawks could take back significantly less salary in a trade with the Nets.

It’s still possible all of this trade talk leads to no deals now and the Hawks wait until later in the summer or next season to pursue trades. But already it’s clear that Ferry is willing to trade a piece of the team’s proverbial “core” in an effort to gain cap space to re-build the roster.

In addition to Johnson, the Hawks have been open to moving forward Josh Smith though they’ve resisted offers so far. Apparently the Hawks balked at a potential deal with the Lakers for Pau Gasol because L.A. wanted another major piece to go along with Smith. That would leave the Hawks with less than six players under contract, less talent, and no short-term cap relief because of the $38 million and two years remaining on Gasol’s contract.

Before Ferry was hired, Smith told the Hawks he wants to be traded to a franchise he considers to be more committed to winning a championship. There’s been no indication that Smith has changed his mind after Ferry’s hire, which does nothing to placate Smith’s desire to also play in what he believes to be a better sports market. Smith’s contract expires after next season.

Ferry said he plans to meet with Smith soon.

“I have talked to Josh, and we agreed to get together,” he said. “It was a positive conversation.”

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BIG DOG

July 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

Najeh Davenbobo

HA

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Jerry West

July 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

cryptonyte,

That salary info you posted is wrong (and right). Al’s extension was 5yrs/ 60 mil ie 12 mil/ yr, not 4/60. That link has the length wrong, but then correctly lists the 5 yrs.

Wabe

July 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

northcyde,

At this point, it’s incredibly evident that the Hawks aren’t gonna be able to add any peices to the roster as currently constructed to get us over the hump.

You too are only hanging onto ‘hope’. ‘Hope’ that this same roster will eventually get us over the hump.

Truth is, they’ve had an adequate amount of time to make it work, and they haven’t shown any signs of being a team that’ll ever contend. Trotting these guys out there year after year just delays the inevitable, which is, this core will never get it done.

Better to blow it up now, and get the rebuilding process started sooner rather than later.

Astro Joe

July 1st, 2012
5:53 pm

A half-dozen active trade discussions? Sounds like things won’t stop with Joe.

Reality Check

July 1st, 2012
5:53 pm

Najeh hasn’t been here all day. Those are fake Najeh posts by the troll. Easy to tell the difference.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
5:54 pm

And those are teams that are perennially not only in the lottery, but also have tons of cap space year after year. And yet, they just can’t seem to get out of that hole.

It’s like I told Najeh a few weeks back. Cleveland doesn’t get out of that hole if they don’t draft a Hall of Fame caliber guy with the #1 pick. Oklahoma City doesn’t surpass the Hawks, if they don’t draft a Hall of Fame caliber guy with that #2 pick.

Every NBA draft does NOT have those caliber of players in it. You have to be “lucky” and “bad” at the right time, and have everything line up for you from that point on, to get out of that hole.

cryptonyte

July 1st, 2012
5:54 pm

Can some one explain why we pay Al 12- 15 Million to produce 12 pts 8 rebs?

BravesFan

July 1st, 2012
5:56 pm

I do the deal if we get Morrow in the deal. He was one of the top young players in the league while with the Warriors and can shoot lights out! Besides, im a GT fan so im biased towards GT players. With Smith and Horford kicking it out to Morrow and the new rookie from Vandy, we will be deadly on the perimiter next year!

Shamrock

July 1st, 2012
5:56 pm

Tiger Woods doesnt play well in Majors

ROY MARBLE

July 1st, 2012
5:56 pm

OK! THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. NOW THATS A TRADE!!

http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=162600.0

BIG DOG

July 1st, 2012
5:56 pm

Reality Check – Thanks bro for the info about troll, for a minute i thought Najeh Davenpoop had a cold.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

vava74

July 1st, 2012
5:59 pm

The first step towards accountability is to show clearly that there are no sacred cows.

When you success ceiling has floored you need to create some restekessness in the group.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
6:01 pm

Wabe

July 1st, 2012
5:52 pm

northcyde,

At this point, it’s incredibly evident that the Hawks aren’t gonna be able to add any peices to the roster as currently constructed to get us over the hump.

You too are only hanging onto ‘hope’. ‘Hope’ that this same roster will eventually get us over the hump.

Truth is, they’ve had an adequate amount of time to make it work, and they haven’t shown any signs of being a team that’ll ever contend. Trotting these guys out there year after year just delays the inevitable, which is, this core will never get it done.

Better to blow it up now, and get the rebuilding process started sooner rather than later.

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Wabe, I’m one of the only guys on the board last summer who said that I would trade ANY 2 of “the core” for Dwight Howard.

I’m the one who says to trade Josh Smith in a deal for Pau Gasol.

I’m the one who said that if we can flip JJ for an Eric Gordon or Tyreke Evans type player, that I would be OK with that.

I have no problem changing up the pieces on this team. I believe that different players could bring a different kind of chemistry to this squad that might be better than what we have in place right now.

I don’t fear change. I don’t say things like “Josh Smith or Joe Johnson or Al Horford is untradeable”. There are no untouchables on this team.

It’s just that a lot of you completely overlook what a true blow-up is all about. It’s about losing for years, until you get enough assets to possibly get you back to playoff level. And from that point, you’re back at where the Hawks at right now, either hoping your star players can get you over the top, or hope that your GM can bring in the right fringe pieces to help the stars get over the top.

Not one time since the playoffs has ended, have I suggested that this same group been brought back. Now whether you or anybody else like my suggestions on what to do, is another thing. Most of you think guys like JJ or Pau Gasol are garbage, or won’t help us get to that next level, so you’d rather be the Charlotte Bobcats, instead of simply changing up the mix.

That’s why I want tangible assets for JJ. Because I don’t want to be the Charlotte Bobcats, hoping a guy like MarShon Brooks turns into the next diamond in the rough.

BravesFan79

July 1st, 2012
6:14 pm

Adding Ray Allen would be a HUGE waste of money! Especially when we have the rookie, and might get Anthony Morrow (one of the top 3pt shooters in the league). Allen has been one of my favorite players in the NBA since his Seattle days, but hes just not worth the high price at this point in his carreer.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

And the main thing to get MarShon Brooks, is to have young assets that you could flip for possibly someone better.

That’s why the Hawks trading those draft picks in the past for mediocre talent, is a bad move. It’s incredible that Sund essentially traded two 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich. It’s made worse that both of those players chosen with those picks can at least play at starter caliber level.

Hopefully Danny won’t budge on not getting young talent and picks in a salary dump type of trade. No way you simply just take expiring contracts, and leave it at that.

Bring Back Spud & Cak'

July 1st, 2012
6:15 pm

GOD IS GOOD! THERE’s Actually a SUITOR 4 Totally Washed-up, No D playin’, Joe Johnson?! Man this would probably net D. Ferry an Exec. of the Year Title right out of the gate.

Joe Johnson’s contract is toxic waste to this team!

His attitutde of disappearing over the years in many a playoff game, total lack of leadership skills & unwillingness to play consistent Defense has crippled this team (& rubbed off on J-Smooth, who by the way doesn’t need ANY negative influences; but surround him w/ Horford-like unselfish, focussed on winning players – I think could turn his attitude around. Smooth is still young & impressionable. JJ seems & acts like an entitled Superstar who’s already won 4 rings.)

Mr. FERRY PULL THIS OFF & YOU WILL HAVE OUR FOREVER RESPECT!!!!

Drizzy

July 1st, 2012
6:16 pm

So if we move Joe Johnson, does Jenkins become the starting SG?

Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

“The only option we really have at that point, is to go all out to get James Harden and give him a MAX deal.”

I’d take Harden on a max deal over Joe in a heartbeat.

“Rather root for a team that can bring me “some” joy, even if it doesn’t bring home a title.”

I get no joy out of mediocrity. Thanks for summing it up.

Grimey

July 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

Gm Danny Ferry was hired to sabotage this team.

Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:20 pm

“So if we move Joe Johnson, does Jenkins become the starting SG?”

Anthony Morrow would become our starting shooting guard. Jenkins may be destined for the D-league.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
6:22 pm

In case anybody cares, here is your National League All-Star team:

C – Buster Posey ( SF )
1B – Joey Votto ( CIN )
2B – Dan Uggla ( ATL )
3B – Pablo Sandoval ( SF )
SS – Rafael Furcal ( STL )
OF – Matt Kemp ( LAD )
OF – Carlos Beltran ( STL )
OF – Melky Cabrea ( SF )

For you Braves fans, Craig Kimbrel made the team as one of the pitchers.

Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:23 pm

“It’s incredible that Sund essentially traded two 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich. It’s made worse that both of those players chosen with those picks can at least play at starter caliber level.”

That’s funny I seem to recall the Wizards drafted a shooting guard because they are seeking a player that is starting caliber and JC2 was not that guy. JC2 is great for taking a lot of shots on a lottery team, but he’s not a starter on a playoff team. Kirk is a starter on a playoff team, and if he had played more minutes while Pargo and Green sat on the bench, it might have been the Hawks playing the Heat in the ECF instead of Boston.

ROY MARBLE

July 1st, 2012
6:26 pm

Looks like Big Mutt got his ass chewed

Najeh Davenpoop

July 1st, 2012
5:49 pm

Then went into denial LMDO

terrell

July 1st, 2012
6:27 pm

Im on bending knees. Please God!

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
6:28 pm

Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:19 pm

“The only option we really have at that point, is to go all out to get James Harden and give him a MAX deal.”

I’d take Harden on a max deal over Joe in a heartbeat.

“Rather root for a team that can bring me “some” joy, even if it doesn’t bring home a title.”

I get no joy out of mediocrity. Thanks for summing it up.

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Of course. Anybody would take a max Harden over JJ right now. The question is, would Harden want to play in ATL, if he had other options to go other places? That’s ALWAYS been the issue with the Hawks and free agents.

Buddy, we’ve been “mediocre” for 5 years now. If you got no “joy” out of it, you wouldn’t follow this team on a daily basis. You may be tired of what we have here now, but you wouldn’t follow it if you didn’t get “some” joy out of watching this team for the past 5 years.

We’ll see how this plays out though. People will celebrate any sort of Joe Johnson trade, even if its for a molded honey bun. But watch people have a fit if Ferry also decides that Josh Smith needs to go as well, and trades him off for “cap space”. Hopefully if and when Ferry decides to move Smith, that he’ll get tangible assets for him, and not a bunch of dead weight.

terrell

July 1st, 2012
6:28 pm

Nobody cares Northcyde. ha

terrell

July 1st, 2012
6:29 pm

And please include Marvin in the deal.

Dan's Fairy

July 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

I am sprinkling fairy dust on the Hawks for good luck……..
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GO HAWKS!!!

Bring Back Spud & Cak'

July 1st, 2012
6:30 pm

I dont think this lazy, ” I wanna play forward” non team 12-15million (incentive based) Al horford’s attitude is going to change. Nor has he done any thing to accept his role on this team. That why the team played better with out him. Too Much Me me me in Al Horford.

Atlhawksfan

July 1st, 2012
6:31 pm

If Ferry can pull the Joe Johnson trade he will be executive of the year

prison mike

July 1st, 2012
6:36 pm

Qutoe:

Deron Williams will meet with the Brooklyn Nets and Dallas Mavericks on Monday, a source close to the point guard confirms. Williams hasn’t made a decision. In fact, he has been seeking advice from people in his life, asking where he should sign. It’s safe to say Williams is still weighing his options.

He has to choose Brooklyn.

BravesFan79

July 1st, 2012
6:37 pm

Northclyde is 100% right. Rooting for a team that can constantly make the 2nd round of the playoffs year after year and give you some “hope” is alot better than being a lotto team year after year after year after year. Keep Smith and Horford, and get a coach who can get the most out of playing with a undersized lineup (Don Nelson was a master at this with the Warriors). Surround them with low cost outside shooters like Jenkins and Morrow, and lets see what happens. With Joes contract off the books, maybe we could get Kayman and have a good “big” lineup as well.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
6:38 pm

Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:23 pm

“It’s incredible that Sund essentially traded two 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich. It’s made worse that both of those players chosen with those picks can at least play at starter caliber level.”

That’s funny I seem to recall the Wizards drafted a shooting guard because they are seeking a player that is starting caliber and JC2 was not that guy. JC2 is great for taking a lot of shots on a lottery team, but he’s not a starter on a playoff team. Kirk is a starter on a playoff team, and if he had played more minutes while Pargo and Green sat on the bench, it might have been the Hawks playing the Heat in the ECF instead of

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So what are you saying Buddy. That Kirk Hinrich is better than Jordan Crawford?

The whole reason for us drafting Jordan in the first place, was for insurance if JJ left and if we didn’t decide to re-sign Jamal. Drew apparently didn’t like his game, so he doesn’t stand in Sund’s way when he’s dealt. So when we really needed another scorer or shot creator in the playoffs, not only did we not have Jamal’s schizophrenic shot, we didnt even have the poor man’s version of Jamal in Jordan.

Calling Kirk Hinrich a starter caliber SG is laughable. He had no business starting in place of Marvin in that lineup. And before Drew came to his senses on that, it was too late.

As for the Wiz’s draft choice, Beal is potentially a better player than Jordan, so of course they’d draft him. After losing Nick Young, Jordan was the only guy who could remotely create his shot out on the perimeter and make a shot. John Wall can’t shoot, and is best suited to be a pick n roll PG that scores off of that play, or passes to shooters. Beal fills that role.

The Wiz made a commitment on the frontline, so they chose to address their depth at guard.

Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:40 pm

“People will celebrate any sort of Joe Johnson trade, even if its for a molded honey bun. But watch people have a fit if Ferry also decides that Josh Smith needs to go as well, and trades him off for “cap space”.”

You can cut out the moldy part and the rest will taste oh so sweet. Josh won’t be traded for cap space. He has a reasonable, expiring contract. His contract is not toxic like Joe’s. Josh will be traded for assets.

As far as getting joy from following the Hawks, it has its moments. I’m trying to decide if I want to continue writing about the team for the upcoming season. A lot of my enthusiasm was dampened by a draft pick I’m pretty sure will haunt this franchise like the Marvin pick did, and by the failure to extend a qualifying offer to Ivan. This guy’s a legitimate rotation player who can play three positions at both ends. That will also come back to haunt the Hawks, especially when he shows up at Phillips Arena in a Celtics or Heat uniform.

Big Ray

July 1st, 2012
6:42 pm

Is Joe Johnson on an airplane yet? I heard we were trading him for Lebron James.

Morons.

Buddy Grizzard

July 1st, 2012
6:45 pm

“So what are you saying Buddy. That Kirk Hinrich is better than Jordan Crawford?”

Yep, that’s what I’m saying. He’s so bad that his own teammate John Wall publicly stated that he hoped his team drafted a shooting guard.

“Calling Kirk Hinrich a starter caliber SG is laughable. He had no business starting in place of Marvin in that lineup. And before Drew came to his senses on that, it was too late.”

So you’re going to lay the Hawks’ failure in the playoff on the starting lineup and not on the fact that Willie Green was -40 in 63 minutes played? Get real.

BravesFan79

July 1st, 2012
6:49 pm

As a big Steve Nash fan, im rooting for him to go to the Mavericks. I hate Deron Williams overrated azz because of how he treated coach Sloan (big jazz fan in the 90s). Williams deserves to be stuck in New Jersey/ Brooklin… where he will never get past the 2nd round of the playoffs as long as the Bulls and Heat are healthy. Mark my words. Even with Howard and JJ on the team!

As far as my favorite team in the west goes, if the Mavs add Nash, and a shot blocking big man, they would be right there with the Spurs and OKC in the top 3 in the west.

Atlhawksfan

July 1st, 2012
6:51 pm

BravesFan79

July 1st, 2012
6:52 pm

Of course Hinrick is a better SG than Jordan Crawford! One can shoot 3’s, the other cant. Last i checked.. the position was called SHOOTING guard. The only thing i remember about Jordan Crawford was that he could dunk.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
6:53 pm

Why not call Orlando and say . . . we’ll give you Joe Johnson + Smith . . for Dwight Howard and Turkoglu?

Turk’s contract is bad, but only has 2 years left on it. You completely energize the fan base in ATL and give them a superstar to root for, if only for one year. I mean, if all of you are for a complete breakdown of the team, how would this be any different?

We get the superstar we want in ATL. And if he decides to leave, we’d get the same “cap space” as a departing JJ would’ve given us. Amnesty Marvin, and deal with Turk for one more year, unless he declines his 12 mill player option ( which would be crazy for him to do )

PG: Teague
G: Jenkins
F: Turk/Marvin
PF: Horford
C: Howard

Go ahead and cry and say that team won’t win . . . but no team we can construct in ATL can win, according to most people. So bring in the superstar for one year, make some money, and at least see if Dwight likes playing in front of the home crowd.

prison mike

July 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

The money we receive next year is the value, not players. Especially not from the nets.

Atlhawksfan

July 1st, 2012
6:54 pm

If Howard comes to Atlanta is to play with Smith

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
6:55 pm

And just because Dwight wants to go somewhere else, doesn’t mean that the Magic have to trade him where he wants to go. Unless Dwight has a “no trade” clause that I don’t know about.

Make the major splash . . not a demolition move.

HawkKingBibby

July 1st, 2012
6:56 pm

I dont think the Nets are that far under the cap. They just signed Wallace and have a huge cap hold for Deron unless they give up his bird rights and let him walk. Same gos for a few of the other free agents they have unless they already gave up their Bird rights/ sign and trade rights. They also will have a tidy cap hold on Brook Lopez because they tendered him an offer but the cap hold will be well over the offer since he is restricted.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
6:57 pm

If Howard wanted to play with Smith in ATL, he would’ve said so a long time ago, and ATL would be on one of his desired list of teams to play for. He doesn’t want to come here. That doesn’t mean that we can’t make him come here. Make him come here and play for a year, whether it’s alongside Smith, Horford, or Johnson.

Grandad

July 1st, 2012
7:00 pm

Buddy Grizzard

Mr Ferry is putting a plan with a system into place.
One has to take steps to get there.
`tis impossible to leap from mediocrity to champions
in a single bound.
However I`m not implying a total rebuild is in order;
but maybe drop back and punt, and get a new series of downs.

Changing the Culture is much more important at this point than
trading tit for tat.
When you concern yourself over Ivan [who seemingly is a good kid]
then you are worrying about minutia.

BG – try to see the Big picture through Mr Ferry`s eyes.

Now; back away from the ledge and rejoice.

-seriously-
* this could be a great day
* let`s hope we do not have to wait until tomorrow
* also our draft picks were solid

Atlhawksfan

July 1st, 2012
7:01 pm

The reason no one wants to play for Atlanta is because of the management and the fans are one if not the worst in the league. Celtics vs hawks series was almost green

PEDRO EL GITANO

July 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

Saquen del equipo a Joe Johnson ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!No insistan en Brooks,Morrow también es mejor que JJ.y LUEGO CONVENZAN A JOSH PARA QUE SE QUEDE.

northcyde

July 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

Good analogy Grandad . . . drop back and punt.

Trading JJ for expiring garbage contacts though, is like quick-kicking on 3rd down, without even trying to pick up the 1st down.

Don’t quick-kick Ferry. Put in the right personnel package to pick up the 1st down on 3rd and long.

Grandad

July 1st, 2012
7:06 pm

uh oh … `nuther … typo

* minutiae not … [m i n u t i a] … left off the [e]

men-oo-shee-uh / Southern pronunciation