Atlanta Hawks: Joe Johnson included in Hawks trade talk
Hawks guard Joe Johnson is included among several trade possibilities being discussed by the team but no deals are imminent, according to a person familiar with the talks.
New Hawks GM Danny Ferry is focused on the trade market as he seeks to re-tool the roster. Johnson is owed $90 million over the next four years and trading him could provide the Hawks salary-cap relief and far greater flexibility for the future.
The Hawks have received calls from teams interested in forward Josh Smith but Ferry so far has considered the price to be too high, according to a person with knowledge of the talks. The person said the Lakers and Magic are among the teams who’ve inquired about Smith.
According to Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports, who first reported the Johnson trade talks, the Nets are looking to pair Johnson with point guard Deron Williams. Williams will be an unrestricted free agent after midnight and Brooklyn is making an effort to entice him to re-sign.
The Hawks still haven’t said if they plan to extend a qualifying offer to forward Ivan Johnson before the midnight deadline. The Hawks were in favor of extending the offer before Ferry’s hire and spent Saturday deliberating the decision with Ferry’s input. If the Hawks don’t extend the offer of about $970,000 for one year, Johnson will become an unrestricted free agent.
Update: The deadline passed with no word from Hawks officials on whether they extended the qualifying offer to Johnson.
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Spyro
June 30th, 2012
9:50 pm
If this happens…
Joe Johnson
June 30th, 2012
9:51 pm
Well its been real ..
Jonesy2x4
June 30th, 2012
9:51 pm
If this happens they should rename the team in his honor
richy
June 30th, 2012
9:52 pm
This could work. Hawks would need to get Marshon Brooks and Brook Lopez back in return. That would give us a scorer on the wing and a big to pair with horford.Then comes what to do with Josh. Assuming you get a guy like Lopez, no need to trade Josh for Gasol.
Darrell
June 30th, 2012
9:52 pm
Oh make it so!!!
Melvin
June 30th, 2012
9:52 pm
Removing Joe huge contract will give the Hawks cap flexibility going forward. Get rid of Marvin as well….
Swingman912
June 30th, 2012
9:52 pm
Cap Room!!!!!
Josh Smith
June 30th, 2012
9:53 pm
Hell no. Unless we gettin a superstar im not buying it. The nets have no one thats good for us. Only deron williams. And they trying to pair them up[. Ferry trying to kill this team
zgoldatl
June 30th, 2012
9:53 pm
Make it happen. We need the cap space
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
9:54 pm
DO YOUR THING FERRY.
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
9:55 pm
“Jimmer is rapidly becoming the next Salim Stoudamire.”
Salim was a second round pick. A better comparison for Jimmer would be Adam Morrison.
Hawkfan4life
June 30th, 2012
9:55 pm
Let is pray
richy
June 30th, 2012
9:56 pm
Same ppl bitch “No way we can trade joe. Contract too big” will now bitch “Dont trade Joe hes our best player?!?”
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
9:56 pm
“But if Childress gets amnestied in Phoenix, anybody think the Hawks might look at him for that wing defender/potential starter at small forward here?”
Childress would never consider playing for the Hawks again after they made him go all the way to Greece to get paid.
Tommy
June 30th, 2012
9:56 pm
DO IT! Lopez, Brooks, Morrow for JJ and Marv
hawks_4_life
June 30th, 2012
9:57 pm
Ferry you are the man even if you get a sandwich for this contract.
ivy
June 30th, 2012
9:57 pm
please clean house and start over…
Grimey
June 30th, 2012
9:58 pm
The nets have no one i want for us. Marshon Brooks is young and isnt starter yet. Brook Lopez is accident prone. Id rather have joe and get an amazing bench
glw
June 30th, 2012
9:58 pm
The Nets really dont have many assets to trade. I doubt they want to move Brook lopez because they still want to use him to get Dwight though. Other than Lopez, there is Marshon Brooks, Anthony Morrow and expring contract of Johan Petro they could get. Maybe get Gerald Green in a S&T, not sure that is a legal trade though.
richy
June 30th, 2012
9:58 pm
Ferry seeming to go with the build around Horford theory. I like it.
richy
June 30th, 2012
10:00 pm
Also, Its obvious the hawks arent trying to get equal return for Joe. Ferry is trying to rid the Hawks of that contract.
Hawkfan4life
June 30th, 2012
10:00 pm
Joe is noone’s superstar….he’s a third best option on a championship team at best. Move
him for whatever and get some cap flexability and move forward with this franchise
Ra'mon
June 30th, 2012
10:00 pm
I don’t even like Lopez’s game. But if the Hawks can get Lopez and Brooks for Joe Johnson, you HAVE to take that deal. Even if Lopez is turn around and traded again (Lopez and Al to Orlando for D12?). Just the fact that you’re out from under Joe’s contract and the flexibility it gives you.
This summer we’ve already heard more trade rumors in a week of Ferry than we heard in the last two seasons with Sund.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:00 pm
News flash for people. Lopez is a restricted FA right now. So any trade involving him would have to be a sign and trade. LOL . . surely the Hawks wouldn’t be able to secure him for just the 4 mill QO + add Morrow and Brooks.
Nets only have 17 mill on the books as it is . . . so something else will have to be added to this.
Strange that a story like this drops late on a Saturday night.
Grimey
June 30th, 2012
10:00 pm
I kinda agree with glw. But come on trading joe to a team that could barely win? If the nets can barely win who can they give us that can help us get over the top? Nothing. This happens to be the worst team to be in trade talks with. Next to the bobcats.
BLAKE
June 30th, 2012
10:01 pm
If we can trade joe for a bag of chips and a soft drink i’ll take it. Plug we got a new JJ that we can plug into the SG spot. Trade joe and Marvin please
Fundamentals
June 30th, 2012
10:02 pm
Hope a deal is struck to free us up and let Joe get a big time opportunity on the nyc stage. He’s done a great job for us, but its time to move on to a new chapter. Lopez and brooks would help this teams needs greatly.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:02 pm
LMAO @ Ra’Mon.
If this were the other way around, you’d be crying to the heavens about a Lopez + Brooks swap for Josh Smith.
That is a garbage trade for JJ, if it goes down. Ferry has to get something better than that . . surely.
Just Joe
June 30th, 2012
10:02 pm
Farmar just opted in. Farmar, Petro, and Morrow make $12M.
angry acworth man
June 30th, 2012
10:02 pm
danny ferry is gonna be a genius if he can pull this one off. he could possibly get the keys to the city if he does!!!!
Grimey
June 30th, 2012
10:02 pm
If their isnt a thread about resigning ivan johnson and signing valuable free agents i quit man
durrtydogg
June 30th, 2012
10:04 pm
Hmmm. Makes the talk of Josh Smith to Houston for Kevin Martin that much more interesting. Although I wouldnt do the trade strait up. But now I see where the rumors are coming from. I say we sign Lou Williams from Philly and bring him back home to run point. As for the Nets, all they would be doing is helping us clear cap space. But the free agent list sucks.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:05 pm
I am not in favor of trading off any of “the core” for someone’s garbage. Give us back a player(s) who can effectively replace the production that we’re losing. You’d never see me propose a trade for Josh Smith involving Brooke Lopez.
If JJ is to be traded, Ferry has to flip this for something significant. First, we get a story about Levenson giving Ferry permission to go into the Luxury Tax if need be. Now we get this story? Something doesn’t add up.
allan in texas
June 30th, 2012
10:06 pm
Get it done!
Grimey
June 30th, 2012
10:06 pm
Northclydes getting onto something here. Im not in favor of breaking core for scrubs of the nets/
Melvin
June 30th, 2012
10:07 pm
If Deron and Gerald Wallace resigns, Joe goes to the Nets and they sign Dwight next year then I can’t see them having enough cap space to add Josh. Heck, they may not have enough space for Dwight depending on how much they resign Wallace and Lopez for.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:08 pm
And put me on the list of people who don’t want to see a Kevin Martin for Josh Smith trade either.
Be creative Ferry. Don’t completely blow this thing up. Flip one of “the Core” for a comparable player that can possibly help this team.
rainman34
June 30th, 2012
10:09 pm
If we could get lopez and brooks that would be insane. If we could then trade josh for a scoreing three it would be great. Life without iso joe could be near. I am a fan of joes game but he is a complete no show in the playoffs and i think he may be the cancer of the team not josh.
Just Joe
June 30th, 2012
10:10 pm
Deron and Joe means no money to sign Dwight as a free agent. Nets would have to feel good about trading for Dwight, or else they think he has other ideas in mind.
prison mike
June 30th, 2012
10:11 pm
“The source said the Hawks have received calls from teams interested in forward Josh Smith but Ferry so far has considered the price to be too high.”
Please elaborate, are teams basically low balling us for JS?
richy
June 30th, 2012
10:12 pm
@Prison Mike. Basically yes. Teams arent sold on him as a top flight guy to aquire
smeer516
June 30th, 2012
10:12 pm
Ferry understands. He knows we are just one or two steps from getting over the hump. In place of Joe’s contract we have unlimited possibility. As long as the FA pool permits.
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
10:14 pm
“I would definitely welcome a Deron for JJ swap”
I would definitely welcome Dwight coming to the Hawks for the MLE.
richy
June 30th, 2012
10:15 pm
If the hawks trade Joe, that would force LD to come up with an actual offensive game plan. That may be too much for him
Earl
June 30th, 2012
10:16 pm
Please don’t tease me by making me think that Joe could be gone. That would be a dream come true for me.
It was one of the worst signings ever by the Hawks when they didn’t sign and trade him when they had the chance. Now the Hawks are tied down with all that money owed to Johnson.
Johnson and Smith are selfish players and is a detrement to the team, especially when there are two on the court at the same time.
Moving Johnson and keeping Smith would work out great, providing there is another SG that could be had for less money.
Pleasssssssssssse make the Johnson trade happen.
day old fries
June 30th, 2012
10:16 pm
Daniel John Willard Ferry do your thing!!!!
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
10:17 pm
“If JJ is to be traded, Ferry has to flip this for something significant.”
Being out from under the worst contract in professional sports and opening the possibility of keeping Josh long term is something significant.
As I wrote in March:
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/03/comparing-twilight-of-two-hawks-eras-by.html
“Trade Joe Johnson to any taker for any offer.”
cory dillinger
June 30th, 2012
10:17 pm
Bad move only do this if you can sign rudy gay in free agency cause if not its back to 8 seasons without going to the playoffs everyone remembers that don’t you with shareef abdul raheem and big dog glenn robinson
Earl
June 30th, 2012
10:18 pm
Rainman……….I agree with the cancer issue.
Rev in Tampa
June 30th, 2012
10:19 pm
Does anyone know how Chad Ford graded the Hawks draft? I’m not an espn insider?
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:19 pm
Just Joe . . the Nets currently have a TOTAL payroll of 17 million. Even if they added JJ’s 19.7 million due to him in 2012 – 13, they’d be far enough under the cap to offer Dwight a MAX deal.
Farmar opted out, so they don’t have to worry about him. So that might actually drop it down to 13 million. They have more than enough money for Dwight, and still have Bird Rights to players like Humphries and even Gerald Wallace.
PG: Deron
G: Johnson
F: Wallace
PF: Humpries
C: Dwight
Say bye-bye to ATL and the playoffs if that happens. Miami, Indiana, Boston, and Chicago ( once Rose gets back ) aren’t going anywhere. Philly isn’t going anywhere.
Hawks better flip JJ for something significant. And it won’t be for next year’s 1st round pick of the Nets, seeing that they can’t trade 1st round picks in consecutive years.
LOL . . add a 3rd team to this Ferry, if this deal is to be done. Surprise us. Just don’t give up and trade for scraps.
richy
June 30th, 2012
10:19 pm
We could use some of the space to make a run at steve nash
BoricuaHawk
June 30th, 2012
10:22 pm
JJ’s contract is our weakest link now. I’d give him and his contract away if I could. Cap space would mean flexibility to get what you need.
Grimey
June 30th, 2012
10:22 pm
Bye to playoffs. Thanks ferry…
NUNNA!!
June 30th, 2012
10:23 pm
Ok..Who will be hurt if you see JJ and Marvin play at championship level with Jay Z’s and da Russian,Brooklyn Nets?
If Marvin was made into a go to guy and knew everynight dat he was gonna be an option,then i think dat we’re gonna see a different and better player out of him..
And,if JJ is to be made a catch and shoot player then look for 30+ as an average that only Durant can match..
With a coach like Avery,i think da addition of Derron,JJ,and Marvin can be a deadly combo..Remember how Marvin played when JJ was hurt a few years back around all star break??
Marvin needs a coach to make him an option instead of a garbage man and jj needs a coach who will set up the offense to take away the iso joe and make him play catch and shoot,like a ray allen and all hell will break loose in Jersey
Grandad
June 30th, 2012
10:25 pm
If we trade Joe to Brooklyn;
they do not have to match salary.
Brklyn only has $13 mil committed to sal next yr.
*[relying on numbers from news source]
Brklyn is far under the cap.
I do not care if we trade Joe for a Bag 0` Doughnuts;
-then-
let Mr Ferry go to work.
Just Joe
June 30th, 2012
10:25 pm
Northcyde….you’re not taking in to account cap holds like the rights to Deron Williams. Deron will make $19M. Joe will make $20M. That gives you less than $20M to sign Dwight, and this without any cap holds. Look at what Miami had to do. You can’t fit three max deals one one team.
Melvin
June 30th, 2012
10:26 pm
northcyde,
Read the below link. Farmer opt in for his final year. Removing Joe contract and getting expiring contracts in return gives the Hawks major cap flexibility next season. Uh, Dwight Howard coming home party.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba–brooklyn-nets-discussing-trade-for-atlanta-hawks-guard-joe-johnson.html
Roberto
June 30th, 2012
10:26 pm
Someone secure http://www.firedannyferry.com in case this actually happens
Joe for Farmar, Morrow, and Petro.
Joe for Brook Lopez or NOTHING
Just Joe
June 30th, 2012
10:28 pm
AW saying it would be a salary dump. Farmar (who opted in not out), Petro, Morrow, and a sign and trade of one of New Jersey’s free agents.
richy
June 30th, 2012
10:29 pm
Marshon Brooks is a must get in a trade
Melvin
June 30th, 2012
10:29 pm
I have no problem (but not preferred) to missed the playoffs this season if it allows the Hawks to get rid of Joe contract and gain cap space…. Next year draft will be loaded with big men. Maybe Gangsta Stern throws the Hawks a bone with the number #1 pick…LOL…. Get it done Ferry….
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:29 pm
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
10:17 pm
“If JJ is to be traded, Ferry has to flip this for something significant.”
Being out from under the worst contract in professional sports and opening the possibility of keeping Josh long term is something significant.
As I wrote in March:
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/03/comparing-twilight-of-two-hawks-eras-by.html
“Trade Joe Johnson to any taker for any offer.”
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And teams that do that end up paying for it in the end.
When you have a tangible asset, you flip it for other tangible assets. JJ’s contract may be bad, but you’re still talking about a top 5 SG here.
I mean, unless people NOW think that John Jenkins can be a very good starter caliber 2 guard, you don’t do this deal for scraps.
Even Memphis got Marc Gasol, multiple expiring contracts, and two 1st round picks for Pau Gasol. A JJ deal better be along those lines in which we get back multiple assets that we can use right now, or in the future.
No way you trade him for a bologna sandwich and some old government cheese.
Al
June 30th, 2012
10:30 pm
I am shocked that anyone cares what we get in return if this happens. I wish we could just amnesty Joe. This is a much much much better option. Time to jump on that ferry. Ya buddy!!!
Rebuild
June 30th, 2012
10:31 pm
As Barkley would say…. This team’s turrible and built for a first round exit year in and out. Keep Horford and trade everyone else. This towns built for the nba and still can’t put a contender together.
Ra'mon
June 30th, 2012
10:32 pm
Northcyde, Joe Johnson is a potential Amnesty candidate. The fact that you’re getting from under his contract would simply be good. And the difference between Joe and Josh is Joe is past his prime with declining skills coupled with an increasing price tag. That is a TERRIBLE mix for a GUARD. Also I seen Brooks play quite a bit this season. And Brooks is as good as Joe was at this point in his career. Lopez would not be signed for more than $14-15 a season. And Brooks still has 3 years on his contract with the options. And knowing the possibility of trading Brooks as a second move of the deal is very tempting, because you know a team on the west coast would over pay for him.
Also, I’ve posted possible trades that included Josh. The only difference is while some people on the blog think the Hawks MUST have Al or Josh on the roster in 2 seasons. I am perfect comfortable with neither being on the roster. A bottom tier playoff team is worse than a lottery team, because majority of the times you’re left with no cap flexibility and no impact draft status.
Jerry West
June 30th, 2012
10:33 pm
I’d trade Joe for practically nothing. But I’d much rather trade Joe for Marshon, a 1st rounder or 2, and a couple bums (yes you, Farmar).
Anwar sadat
June 30th, 2012
10:33 pm
Complain about Joe and then when it’s time to move him still complain. Bottom line is that the core we have had the last few years has not worked. With Joe having the highest contract in the league we are not going to get cap room and a superstar player. That’s just the pot Rick sind has put us in
cory dillinger
June 30th, 2012
10:33 pm
When Joe is gone and we are 30-52 please make sure everyone who wanted to blow up this team please make sure you fill up Phillips because that’s what you wanted right
Fundamentals
June 30th, 2012
10:33 pm
Moving Joe might be a step back now, but it’ll be a leap forward later. We showed all year people step up when called…at least until the playoffs. Joe never showed the leadership we needed for his max deal. Press on Ferry, make this team reflect what you want, not what Billy Knight dreamed while walking his dog on draft night.
TMACfan
June 30th, 2012
10:33 pm
wow I’m lost for words right now lol.
Anwar sadat
June 30th, 2012
10:34 pm
Rick Sund
Nas
June 30th, 2012
10:34 pm
Yes get Joe Blow off this team, he doesn’t care about the fans anyway
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:34 pm
LOL @ the Hawks potentially doing just a salary dump for JJ. Then they’ll go to free agency next year with 10 million under the cap, and hope to lure who? Dwight Howard to ATL?
Definitely against this. Gotta flip this for assets, not cap space.
BWOODS
June 30th, 2012
10:36 pm
YES…..I hope they get rid of JOE…..He is not a real team leader…..he shows no emotion and he don’t step up when the game on the line
smeer516
June 30th, 2012
10:36 pm
How much would OJ Mayo cost to sign?
Rod
June 30th, 2012
10:36 pm
I don’t care if we get peanuts make this happen right now we are the oldest team in the league get younger now starting with 1 of the oldest guys over 100 milli and 2nd round no thanks Westbrook is better than JJ right now and he isnt even making 50 milli IJS
Melvin
June 30th, 2012
10:37 pm
Trade Joe for expiring contracts this season and amnesty Marvin next season if you they cant trade him before then. The Hawks would have major caps space after next season. They could resign Josh and sign Dwight. Trade Horford for a top wing player (or PG if Teague is not in the future plans). I can see Ferry taking a step backwards this season and making several steps forward next season and beyond.
Anwar sadat
June 30th, 2012
10:37 pm
If we are 30-52 next year it will have nothing to do with us not having joe
NUNNA!!
June 30th, 2012
10:37 pm
cory dillinger
June 30th, 2012
10:33 pm
When Joe is gone and we are 30-52 please make sure everyone who wanted to blow up this team please make sure you fill up Phillips because that’s what you wanted right
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Cory Dillinger aka Joe Johnsons brother
TMACfan
June 30th, 2012
10:37 pm
This team is gonna suck next year, but we have to deal with it.
Athenzdawg
June 30th, 2012
10:38 pm
please Danny don’t toy with my emotions…i’m not strong enough…..please get this trade done….whatever they offer. Even if its extra chairs….take it, get Joe off the books!@!!@@!!
Mr.E
June 30th, 2012
10:38 pm
Lol tough audience.
Just trade the damn cancer and no matter what happens or what we get in return it will be a positive move.
Pass on a chance to get rid of this contract because we don’t like what we get in return would be Rick all over…
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
10:39 pm
“If this happens they should rename the team in his honor.”
Or at least they should rename a street in Alpharetta in his honor… you know, Johnson Ferry, Danny Ferry…
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:41 pm
cory dillinger
June 30th, 2012
10:33 pm
When Joe is gone and we are 30-52 please make sure everyone who wanted to blow up this team please make sure you fill up Phillips because that’s what you wanted right
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Haha @ Cory. Oh they’ll be there all right . . . . in spirit, while trashing the Hawks like they normally do. Not like 70% of these bloggers are going to Hawks games anyway, so they may not care one way or the other.
Smh @ a salary dump. You mean the same type of dump that happened with the Mookie and Smitty trades? Be careful what you wish for folks. Gotta get something decent out of this.
dap01
June 30th, 2012
10:41 pm
ISO JOE:
pound, pound, pound, pound, pound, pound, pound, try to drive (too slow), pound pound pound, pass out to Josh with 1 second on the 24 second clock
Ward
June 30th, 2012
10:42 pm
Are you all forgetting the point here?! I would give Joe away for nothing…That would give the Hawks a huge trade exception that would be really valuable, plus it would give a lot of salary cap flexibility moving forward… A 20 million trade exception if the Nets just absorbed JJ would allow us to pair the exception with Josh Smith and trade for 2 quality players or one big superstar…like a Dwight Howard. I am not suggesting that he’s the best option, but if you sent Smith & the exception to the Lakers for Bynum to place next to Hortford now you are talking… or Exception + Smith to Chicago for Noah & Deng would make this team a lot of fun… Noah, Hortford, Williams, Deng, & Teague is pretty athletic line-up… Or Smith + exception to Utah for Al Jefferson would be a nice little piece too.
TRACI
June 30th, 2012
10:43 pm
8 yrs of “rebuilding”….LOL…I remember when they got Joe Johnson, he was supposed to be the great savoir of the franchise. They gave him a Brinks Truck full of Money. And now they are talking about trading him. WOW…no wonder you cant keep fans in the seats..Go AFTER Dwight Howard…make a BIG SPLASH…stop putting band-aid players as the priority.
Rod
June 30th, 2012
10:43 pm
Everyone should see from comments nobody wants Joe not even my mama and she’s single go to any sport site even the Nets fans are crying foul they dont want him either lets fleece them now b4 they become aware get this done Ferry
Melvin
June 30th, 2012
10:45 pm
northcyde,
If we could get rid of Joe and Marvin going into next season for expiring contracts then the Hawks will have less than 20mil is salaries AL-12mil, Teague 3.4mil QO, Jenkins and Scott rookie contracts…
Anwar sadat
June 30th, 2012
10:45 pm
I like Joe, I love the hawks, but that’s because I am a fan. But the bottom line is that Joe is not getting it done, so just because we move Joe does not mean we can not compete next year. We still have talent. Besides Joe averaged less than 18 points this past season, I am sure we can find somebody to do that for less than the bank.
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
10:45 pm
“Then they’ll go to free agency next year with 10 million under the cap, and hope to lure who? Dwight Howard to ATL?”
Yep, you got it. If Dwight and Josh reach next offseason as unrestricted free agents, they will be in position to assemble a team in the same way Bosh, LeBron and Wade did. Josh and Dwight can decide to take sub-max contracts to leave enough room under the cap to sign additional players (as the Heat’s stars did with Haslem).
At that point, if Orlando hasn’t received anything in trade for Dwight, a sign-and trade scenario where they receive Horford would be a dream scenario for them. Getting a former 3rd team All-NBA center instead of nothing sounds like a good deal, right? So we make them take Marvin in the deal.
Marvin’s 8 mil plus Horford’s 12 mil = a max salary. On top of that, remember the 10 million dollars you mentioned? The Hawks have that left over to sign another star player.
Rev in Tampa
June 30th, 2012
10:45 pm
All this “Joe talk” is for nothing. D12 wants to go to the Nets.
smeer516
June 30th, 2012
10:46 pm
haha. I guess Dwight got scared.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8118159/sources-dwight-howard-tells-orlando-magic-gm-wants-trade-brooklyn-nets
trade Joe?
June 30th, 2012
10:46 pm
If Ferry can trade Joe, he should get an immediate raise and extension to his new contract!!!
Then we can amnesty Marvin, if ASG can afford to pay his contract, and we’d be headed toward better days.
SteveW
June 30th, 2012
10:46 pm
Josh for Kevin Martin straight up? Are people crazy? That would be a stupid, monumentally poor trade. Josh and Marvin for KMart and Scola does nothing for me either.
Can’t just dump JJ’s salary. That guy is an All Star, not a Rashard Lewis. If the Nets could do some S/T’s Lopez and Humphries, or even Gerald Wallace, to go with the Farmars, Morrows, and Marshon Brooks types.
Could I live with trading JJ for Lopez, Humphries and Brooks? Yeh, I’d be up on that deal, especially if your losing Josh on the other end in a Houston deal.
And did anybody see Josh play this season? The guy was a beast. You don’t just give dedicated, hard working, uber talented guys like that away either. Better be getting Martin, Scola, and some young pieces for him. Better yet, get Lowry in there somewhere. Teague and Lowry at the Point would be stout.
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Big Ray
June 30th, 2012
10:46 pm
“If JJ is to be traded, Ferry has to flip this for something significant.”
Being out from under the worst contract in professional sports and opening the possibility of keeping Josh long term is something significant.
Finally…an intelligent thought thought on the subject….
B-Vard TINK
June 30th, 2012
10:47 pm
@ northcyde i agree… yall fair-weather fans betta b careful what u ask for… say it aint so JOE….
richy
June 30th, 2012
10:47 pm
This isnt about Howard. He never wanted to come to ATL. This is about getting rid of Joes contract and getting some value.
NUNNA!!
June 30th, 2012
10:48 pm
Lets look at our team yall.
There is a chance that Willie Green will be back!
And we’ll have Jenkins as the other 2 guard.
At the point barring a trade,Kirk will back up JT0.
Up front it will be either Al,Josh,and Zsa Zsa along with a new small forward..Who?
Off da bench will be da rook from Va.
I hope that we get a center like lopez and a shooter like lynch from jersey..
But do you think that they will give up Lynch? Would you?
I think that da nets will make Ferry back down on his asking for lynch and we will then force da nets hand in taking marvin with jj in the deal…
And get a 2nd round pick of the guy they got late in this years draft..
Ferry says nothing about keeping this team in the playoffs this upcoming year..
Rebuilding in this town? Are like curse words around here..And he is not gonna come out and say it but if we start to jettison jj and either josh or al then i agree with northcyde and this will be a rebuilding project with the likes of one Billy Knight..
Get more cap space and younger players and develope them over the next 2 years..
TRACI
June 30th, 2012
10:48 pm
BASICALLY…we are tired of REBUILDING every year. And please this time dont go after a bunch of players barely outta high school. This is not a day care center. The Hawks dont need more players with “training wheels”. , and we get to watch them. “grow” into their positions.
WE HAVE TRIED THAT…..That experiment didnt work.
Grandad
June 30th, 2012
10:49 pm
I would not mind receiving Tyshawn Taylor [Kansas]
in return as part of the pkg.
*(Defensive minded back-up pg)
NUNNA!!
June 30th, 2012
10:50 pm
Correction:
I meant that i agree with northcyde that we can kiss the playoffs goodbye for this year and i will go further and say next year as well..
Teagues brother will get further than jeff in just his Rookie season
Big Ray
June 30th, 2012
10:51 pm
No way you trade him for a bologna sandwich and some old government cheese.
No, no…this isn’t the Billy Knight days of salary dump and cap space cliches. Wait a minute. The ASG is still here….okay, so I’m still a little nervous and you may have a point.
All the same, I can’t see Ferry dumping JJ for any old thing. He’s not insane. That said, assets are only as good as the person managing them. Up til now, asset management has been mediocre at best (on average), and the very best of it since the ASG came to town has been Sund’s ability to put a bench together from scrap contracts.
msc
June 30th, 2012
10:52 pm
If we can get Marshon and Lopez for Joe then I say we do it. We can do a lot more with out team once Joe’s contract isnt here. I love Joe but if we can get a better overall team in the future by trading him now I think we should def. do it.
Anwar sadat
June 30th, 2012
10:52 pm
The so called fans in this room is the reason why Phillips arena be full of visitors during home games
Jae Evolution
June 30th, 2012
10:53 pm
Haha Jeff Teague just responded to superiorblogman on Twitter, that’s funny.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:53 pm
smeer516
June 30th, 2012
10:46 pm
haha. I guess Dwight got scared.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8118159/sources-dwight-howard-tells-orlando-magic-gm-wants-trade-brooklyn-nets
*****************
Wow . . . are you serious?
So Dwight supposedly met with his GM on Friday night, but nothing was said. Now a story about JJ surfaces about going to the Nets, and all of a sudden this Howard story surfaces . . . late on a Saturday night?
Hawks are being used once again, I guess.
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
10:54 pm
Nathan Begley: The Nets way” Can’t get Dwight? Panic and grab an aging wing!” about 28 minutes ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1zKsUhbLN
lol
cory dillinger
June 30th, 2012
10:55 pm
I just don’t want to give away a 6 time all star for nothing like I said I remember the 8 straight years without being in the playoffs its cool it you guys want to wait 10+ plus years to be in the playoffs again
Sandpower
June 30th, 2012
10:55 pm
What suckers could the Hawks trade with? There’s no way the Nets make that deal because no one in Brooklyn is going to the arena to see Joe Johnson.
Mr.E
June 30th, 2012
10:56 pm
Well that was fun while it lasted.
More Joe next season.
Woop
SteveW
June 30th, 2012
10:56 pm
If we trade Joe Johnson for anything containing Johan (the Rick Sund Pick) Petro, that will be a terrible trade. I don’t even like Petro as filler.
Teague/Lowry at Pg I like
KMart/Marshon Brooks at Sg I like
Humphries/Scola at Pf and Al/Zaza/Lopez at C I can like. Who’s at 3? Any 3s out there waiting to be had?
Big Ray
June 30th, 2012
10:56 pm
The problem is very old, really. We tried to build around Joe. Joe is not a guy you build around. He’s not a superstar, never has been. Then, we went and paid him like he’s the kind of guy who is a superstar and you can build around.
Essentially, the mistake was made TWICE. Funny….Robert Sarver doesn’t look so stupid now….but I digress.
We might not have taken it on the chin so dang hard if….
1) Billy Knight hadn’t been so chronically allergic to point guards. CP3, Deron, Rondo….all top PGs. All passed over by the “genius” and Mr. Potato Head (Woodson).
2) Billy Knight hadn’t followed that insane debacle by taking Shellhead over Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay.
That led to desperation move of all time and a max contract for Joe. So now we’re gonna take it on the chin…hard. The only question is how the punch is coming. Are we gonna get a$$-raped in a trade for…
1) Al
2) Josh
3) Joe
Anybody’s guess….
W. R. Terrell
June 30th, 2012
10:57 pm
The good news is “The house is about to be cleaned.” I am very thankful for Danny Ferry and believe you me, I would rather see a new beginning than the same old ending. This could be an exciting year for the HAWKS and a breath of fresh air for the fans. “Rev in Tampa”, the HAWKS got a B- on the draft. All of this trade talk and movement of players has got the ole adrenalin pumpin. I wanna see the outcome because it could be a lot of fun.
B-Vard TINK
June 30th, 2012
10:57 pm
@ Anwar sadat u right and im a true fan as well..But remember its 18ppg against constant double and triple teams if Joe go who gonna attract al that attention to free his teams mates up??? Let me guess Josh” No Jumper-Self Check” Smith..lmao..really.. once again if we dont get equal back b careful what u ask for Hawlks fans..lol
NUNNA!!
June 30th, 2012
10:57 pm
Traci,
i was just saying the same thing u are now lol..
We don’t need a rebuilding project and that i think,is the main reason that Ferry is getting 6 years..
I bet he told the ASG that he wanted to do this and that but the cavs owner and others were not having it and now look what has happened..
I don’t trust Ferry..Not yet..And,i bet he gave a hell of an interview lol
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
10:57 pm
Haha @ Howard felt that he was “blackmailed” into signing the opt-in clause.
That dude is losing more credibility by the minute.
He makes Royce Reed look like the sane one.
Anwar sadat
June 30th, 2012
10:58 pm
I agree
Big Ray
June 30th, 2012
10:59 pm
Wow . . . are you serious?
So Dwight supposedly met with his GM on Friday night, but nothing was said. Now a story about JJ surfaces about going to the Nets, and all of a sudden this Howard story surfaces . . . late on a Saturday night?
Hawks are being used once again, I guess.
Yep. A$$ clowns for life, it seems. Or as long as current ownership is around. And Ferry’s gonna look bad only because they brought him in LAST SECOND to try and bail them out of years of stupidity.
Ferry is gonna be missing Texas really soon unless he can manage a miracle or two.
Big Ron
June 30th, 2012
10:59 pm
I love this I’ll take whatever for Joe Johnson it would be nice if we could keep Josh Smith but he is leaving so trade him get the best deal possible were not gonna win title with these 2 guys anyway build around Al n maybe n a few years we can compete for it all but this trade will be a good move
hawks players
June 30th, 2012
11:00 pm
who wants to play here anyway?? we just a bunch of nice guys!
Big Ray
June 30th, 2012
11:00 pm
No use in getting worked up unless something actually happens. We’ve been here before, have we not? Every offseason, every trade deadline, for the last HOW many years?
I’ll not hold my breath. Ferry’s here and that’s an upgrade, but that is not a guarantee of anything. At least he talks more (and more candidly) than Skeletor…er, I mean Sund….
hawks players
June 30th, 2012
11:01 pm
seriously no teams in the east stands a chance against the heat.
Big Ray
June 30th, 2012
11:01 pm
Meanwhile Dwight Howard looks more like a punk and a diva than I’d ever have expected. Yet….I’d still take him on this team. Heh…
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
11:01 pm
Jarrod Gillis: Johnson’s the def of a ball stopper. Ball stoppers dont help your offense. Used to hate hearin that as a youngster, but understand now about 44 minutes ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1zKuOF1rT
Grandad
June 30th, 2012
11:02 pm
I would just as soon have Ty Taylor and A.Morrow;
if Marshon Brooks is some sort of deal breaker.
Brooks is a low % shooter from long range.
Brooks is more a slasher / than a floor spacer.
Morrow is one of the better shooters in the Assoc.
Ty Taylor would be the perfect back-up pg:
*great defender
*champion mentality [Kansas]
*older / mature (22) graduating sr.
More bldg blocks as Mr Ferry continues the process.
-note-
without tearing it down / just doing major repair work.
PD
June 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
I like Marshon Brook Lopez and Gerald Green for Joe and Marvin if the numbers work
jlewis
June 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
This is all comical…One variable is not being discussed, NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY IN ATLANTA, lol. Lose JJ it will cripple this franchise, you cant replace him, if you think you can, name them?
Sheezy
June 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
They need to trade Joe Johnson, the Hawks shouldn’t have given him all of that money.
glw
June 30th, 2012
11:03 pm
I knew it was something fishy about that Joe to Nets rumor, doesnt make sense why would they trade for Joe knowing they were still in the running for Dwight. Not saying Joe to the Nets wouldnt happen, but they not making any trade until they get or decide whats going to happen with Dwight.
doc
June 30th, 2012
11:04 pm
northcyde the guy is a loser and he has a bigger problem with taking accountability as jj does by ten fold. i really think he will fail wherever he goes unless he plays robin in reality while others bow down to him though really pulling the weight. bottom line i can do without him and his narcissism which is waaaay below a deviant ego.
SteveW
June 30th, 2012
11:04 pm
Back got the draft: in my heart of hearts, I was hoping for Moultrie or M Teague. They say rebounding translates, and Moultrie can rebound. Hard worker at MSU also. And Marquis Teague has talent.
That said, been watching some John Jenkins. Player he reminds me most of? Jamal Crawford. Circus shots are us. Just not quite the handles of Crawford, but a truly great shooter, work ethic and competitor.
Didn’t like this Mike Scott guy before the draft. 2 ankle surgeries scare me off. But now that he’s a Hawk, I hope he turns into a beast.
Anwar sadat
June 30th, 2012
11:04 pm
@b-card Tink, I know Joe use to get it done sometimes(lol), but I also remember games when he struggled to score 25 against teams not as good as us. It’s time for a change, it’s not personal. Because I still think we can compete with the right pieces. We still have talent
Rod
June 30th, 2012
11:04 pm
We paid a man 100 milli to go to 2nd round really LOLOL and we are talking about going into next year with him as our leader the definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again im tired of him he has less passion than a old dog he’s the reason the arena is empty no excitement.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:07 pm
@ Big Ray . . . we don’t have to take anything on the chin if we don’t want to. The Hawks are still a good, but not great team. And JJ is one of the reasons why we’re a good but not great team.
A salary dump means that the ASG simply wants to save money, not improve this team. So what do people want? Dump JJ, then offer another extreme MAX deal to Josh Smith? Is that the deal people want? Wouldn’t that be repeating the same mistake twice?
One thing the ATL fan base has proven, is that they’re not coming out to watch a bad team, no matter if Ferry and ownership try to sell the “rebuilding project”. In ATL, it’s almost more cost effective to stay good, and keep flipping out the “core” pieces, than to completely blow it up and hope for that superstar lottery pick in the draft.
If the future plan for the Hawks is to trade JJ for scraps, then let Smith fall off the books, that is not good for the Hawks at all. Significant cap space means nothing, if you can’t get people to come to your franchise.
Sandpower
June 30th, 2012
11:11 pm
Why does anyone have faith in Danny Ferry when he couldn’t get a legit number 2 for LeBron while in Clev?
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:11 pm
LOL @ a one hour rumor, completely derailed
Even Hoopshype has changed their headline story. JJ is even a 2nd option in the rumor mill.
Buddy Grizzard
June 30th, 2012
11:13 pm
“Strange that a story like this drops late on a Saturday night.”
What’s strange about it? Free agency starts at midnight.
Vettledi
June 30th, 2012
11:13 pm
Funny how 90% of the Hawks fanbase keeps screaming TRADE JOE JOE since the summer of 2010 and now that it’s possile all we can read is NO WAY WE LET HIM GO WITHOUT ALL STAR PIECES IN EXCHANGE.
No way this franchise can build something with such a fanbase. Hilarious.
doc
June 30th, 2012
11:17 pm
melvin
good article on ya boy pglll
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/why-did-perry-jones-iii-fall-nba-draft-070711158–nba.html;_ylt=AmcG1QC8V2i4iWqsHwhl.Ig5nYcB
for okc little risk and down side. i think he will play and be good but not great. still not sure about the “injury” issue as everything written is very vague.
doc
June 30th, 2012
11:20 pm
meant pjlll
Neki
June 30th, 2012
11:21 pm
Actually the rumor is still standing, right now northcyde. We all know that it isnt going to happen but its not going way.
robert
June 30th, 2012
11:21 pm
Thye could get NJ to do some sort of sign and trade with Greald Wallace or have NJ do some type of 3 team deal. If ATL does this though they really need to go and grab Mayo
Harry Hawk
June 30th, 2012
11:22 pm
Dwight Howard is such a loser that he will average 20 points, 14 boards, and 2 blocks a game for somebody. I wish the Hawks had a loser center like him.
Deron Williams To Meet With Mavericks, Nets On Monday, According To A Report – SB Nation | People Familiar With the Matter
June 30th, 2012
11:24 pm
[...] before deciding which team to sign with this July, according to a source privy to Williams …Atlanta Hawks: Joe Johnson included in Hawks trade talkAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Williams To Meet With Nets, Mavericks On [...]
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:25 pm
Vettledi . . . most people are saying trade him for a dead roach and a stale cracker.
I’m one of the only ones talking about trading him for tangible pieces that can help us now or in the future. The fact is that most of the teams who play the “cap space” game, lose. Bad teams only win when they get that future Hall of Fame type draft pick.
The Hawks missed their chance in 2005 with Paul and possibly Deron.
A team like Golden St has played the cap space and lottery game for years, only to come up short 95% of the time.
Sacramento was a perennial loser, until they flipped their version of Joe Johnson ( Mitch Richmond ), for a young but malcontent big man in Chris Webber. Then things turned around all of a sudden and the franchise did things right for about a 5 year stretch.
But where have they been since they lost Webber and Bibby? Cap space nor draft picks have helped that team.
Until they get that “Hall of Fame” draft pick, the Kings will continue to be bad . . . unless they pull off a trade to get the right player to build around.
Mantis
June 30th, 2012
11:26 pm
Wow… I love this new GM already. Joe Johnson is a bum. He should have never been re-signed. We would have been better off letting him go and giving Jordan Crawford a chance to grow into a star guard. It’s time to let Johnson go. He has no personality and he is only getting in the way of Al Hortford becoming the natural leader of this team.
Danny Ferry
June 30th, 2012
11:27 pm
Some of y’all must not realize that we have around 6.5 million to sign the draft picks and 5 or 6 FAs. Whatever we lose with Joe’s departure we gain on the FA market in bench production that we could not get with 6.5 million dollars. Not to mention we will be done with the iso-joe offense.
brigadierjerry
June 30th, 2012
11:32 pm
Dwight Howard is a crazy guy. Now he went to the union last week seeing if there was a way to get out of his opt-in he took so he can go the Nets?He is a talent but this guy is a absolute tool. i actually have a theory Dwight doesnt want to come to Atlanta because i dont think he would be able to handle the pressue being back home. If he goes to Brooklyn, he will be under extreme pressure even if they play second class fiddle to the Knicks
Sean
June 30th, 2012
11:32 pm
THIS MUST BE DONE !!!!!!!!!!! Joe im a fan, and I love what you’ve done for us,but when you signed that contract you KILLED the Hawks ! A complete handcuff for us for the next 4 years,,,,,
jlewis
June 30th, 2012
11:34 pm
How can a team that hasnt won anything be handcuffed? No one wants to play here. The best option would be for ownership to move this team to Seattle, I bet they would appreciate it.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2012
11:35 pm
This team does not improve until Joe’s contract is gone. Get it done Ferry. Do whatever it takes. Maybe even get Billy King drunk and convince him that Marvin is good.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:35 pm
What is JJ’s contract preventing the Hawks to do?
What player out there in free agency could turn the Hawks into an EC Finals team, if we had JJ’s money off the books, and no JJ in ATL?
Rick James
June 30th, 2012
11:36 pm
If Joe goes Josh stays and his attitude improves..
Get Real
June 30th, 2012
11:36 pm
Joe Johnson isn’t stopping anyone from being a …… Leader ! For christsake, some of the things people write here??
Swingman912
June 30th, 2012
11:37 pm
Ppl will play ANYWHERE that’s talking the right amount of money…true, Hawks haven’t won anything, and won’t win anything with Joe’s contract, so i say they should get what they can get, and build from there
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:38 pm
My personal theory on why guys don’t necessarily want to play for the Hawks, is because all of their stripper mistresses probably reside here. Not a good look to have your mistress and the wifey in the same town.
gcs
June 30th, 2012
11:39 pm
I have no problem trading Joe Johnson but Josh Smith HAS to go.
He is not going to re-sign with the Hawks.
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
11:40 pm
I think Dwight made a stupid decision when he opted in for one last year. All he had to do was not opt in, and he could have signed with the Nets in a few days, which would also have meant the Nets wouldn’t have to give up any assets for him. He will regret that decision (imo).
Although it’s possible the Hawks are being used to force Orlando to make a deal, I don’t think the Nets have any assets to make a deal for Dwight work.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:40 pm
T-20 minutes to extend that qualifying offer to Ivan.
Looks like it’s not going to happen.
jlewis
June 30th, 2012
11:40 pm
Danny Ferry still has to prove himself, he lucked into Lebron, and San Antonio, Pop and Buford call those shots, so if he blows this up, we are the Bobcats. To add to that, Pop and buford lucked into David Robinson and soon after tim duncan, this is a crap shoot. Every player that has been named in a possible trade JJ has dominated, do your homework.
Swingman912
June 30th, 2012
11:41 pm
Thus trade isn’t for this year clowns!!! We aren’t one move away from a title, but we’ve festered in mediocrity, and with Joes contract that won’t change, so free up that money. We don’t need a player to do what Joe does for us in return. But there are assets available, and FYI, 1 year contracts are assets
CHUUUUUCH
ntrigue
June 30th, 2012
11:43 pm
Trade Joe dont trade Josh!
Sam
June 30th, 2012
11:43 pm
I would personally give Danny Ferry $10 to move Joe. Anyone else wanna chip in?
Slimjr
June 30th, 2012
11:44 pm
“sometimes its good to be lucky” –unknown author
Slimjr
June 30th, 2012
11:45 pm
Post draft trades? What you got Danny?
Joe must go………..Next Marvin..
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:46 pm
1 year contracts are assets for owners looking to save a ton of money.
Damn shame that all of these other teams were able to trade away a player wired in “mediocrity” for assets . . but the Hawks are reportedly willing to settle for garbage contracts. That’s not how you rebuild. That’s how you destroy and let the land grow with weeds all over the place.
Wabe
June 30th, 2012
11:46 pm
anything to get Joe off the books…
Sam
June 30th, 2012
11:48 pm
No way Joe gets moved to the Ni-yets. They want Howard foremost. If they trade for Joe, they won’t have the pieces to get the Howard trade done as well.
jeppz23
June 30th, 2012
11:49 pm
I agree we need to trade joe, but some of you people need to realize and appreciate what he’s done for this franchise. He came here when nobody else wanted to and made us respectable. So please stop bagging the guy.
Ryan
June 30th, 2012
11:49 pm
WHO CARES WHO WE GET BACK!?!?! Trade him yesterday for an intern. The cap relief alone would be amazing!
hawksfaninthewest
June 30th, 2012
11:49 pm
Man if you can find a sucker to take Joe and his albatross of a contract, you gotta do it. Dont care who you get because freeing up the Hawks cap space suddenly gives them room to maneuver. Wow! Just the thought of Ferry overcoming Sund’s bonehead move so fast has me on the edge of my seat.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2012
11:50 pm
“What player out there in free agency could turn the Hawks into an EC Finals team, if we had JJ’s money off the books, and no JJ in ATL?”
For the 5,823,205th time, cap space is useful for more than just signing free agents.
Sam
June 30th, 2012
11:50 pm
Way to get everyone excited over nothing, mr. Cunningham. Must have been a slow news night to come up with this kinda drivel.
mock1
June 30th, 2012
11:50 pm
If Ferry could get Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams out of here “AT THE SAME DAM TIME” then he is definitely headed in the right direction ! Teams are are going to have to bring it to get Josh,he has alot of potential but needs a real coach to help force him to grow up and leave that attitude at the door.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2012
11:52 pm
I don’t want Lopez. I don’t mind Brooks, but I don’t necessarily require him either. I want cap space and picks. Give us a nice fat trade exception and a future first rounder with expiring protection after a few years and I’m good. Whether you want a flat out rebuild or a culture change or both, it starts with moving Joe.
Steven
June 30th, 2012
11:53 pm
The Atlanta Hawks could be so much more. I have lived in GA my whole life and don’t care for the Hawks but watch the NBA(playoffs).
WhoDontKnowWhatYourTalkingAboutJustBecauseYouMakeTheMostCommentsOnABlog
June 30th, 2012
11:53 pm
@northcyde…. with your vast well known NBA executive experience… can you tell us what players the Hawks should received for a 31 year old player with $90 million left on his contract and playoff averages of 17 points per game.
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
11:54 pm
From the yahoo article;
The Nets would have to cobble together several contracts, including those of Jordan Farmar, who opted into the final $4.2 million year of his deal on Saturday, Anthony Morrow, Johan Petro and a sign-and-trade with one of the Nets’ free agents to make the exchange of salaries work for Johnson’s contract. Johnson will make $19.8 million next season..
This is a terrible deal for the Hawks. As much as I like Anthony Morrow, I think he is redundant since we drafted JJ2. Petro is best suited as a 3rd string center imo, but I can see Sund liking him since he drafted him. I would take Kris Humphries, but with Josh and Mike Scott, do we need him? Jordan Farmer is a decent backup PG, and he does have championship experience, but still…
That being said, it would get us from under JJ’s contract, so I would do the deal if 1) The Nets include a trade exception, and 3) If Ferry has other deals lined up.
With a trade exception, we could flip it to a team looking for salary cap space and we would have alot ofassets to work with.
brigadierjerry
June 30th, 2012
11:54 pm
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221920/Sources_Nets_Losing_Hope_For_Howard
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
11:55 pm
For the record though, I would be shocked if the Hawks make a deal.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2012
11:55 pm
Not that this team is sniffing the ECF anyway, but I am quite certain that if they dump Joe for cap space and sign Ray Allen to a one year deal that they will be exactly as good as they were last year.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:55 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2012
11:50 pm
“What player out there in free agency could turn the Hawks into an EC Finals team, if we had JJ’s money off the books, and no JJ in ATL?”
For the 5,823,205th time, cap space is useful for more than just signing free agents
*************
OK Najeh . . the ball is in your court then.
It’s 2013, and JJ’s contract is off the books. Here’s what you’re looking at
- Josh Smith unrestricted FA
- Jeff Teague restricted FA
- Zaza Pachulia unrestricted FA
- Al Horford: 12 mill
- Marvin Williams: 7.5 mill
- John Jenkins: 1.2 mil ( approx )
You are upwards of 25 – 30 million UNDER the salary cap.
Rebuild the Hawks into a winner . . . GO.
You have
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:55 pm
This is assuming that JJ is traded for expiring contracts that end in 2013.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:56 pm
Matter of fact, that goes out to any of you who are in favor of trading JJ for scraps. That’s what we have in 2013 if he’s off the books.
Go and build a winner in ATL with that “cap space”.
Disgusted
June 30th, 2012
11:57 pm
Trade rumors for Joe???????????
PLESASE TELL ME THAT IS SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t care if they do nothing but dump his salary, I don;t like this bunch and would be happy to go back to 24-58 if they could end the Joe “I don’t care if the fans show up” Johnson ERA aka ERROR.
A Hawks team without Iso Joe and Marvin would be a dream of mine. And if Josh goes I won;t cry.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
11:58 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
June 30th, 2012
11:55 pm
Not that this team is sniffing the ECF anyway, but I am quite certain that if they dump Joe for cap space and sign Ray Allen to a one year deal that they will be exactly as good as they were last year.
*************
Yep, because Ray can make a bunch of step back jumpers in isolation and guard the opposing teams best perimeter player. Yep . . Ray sure could replace JJ’s production. Especially with Josh Smith averaging 7 assists a game now feeding him the ball for 15 shots a game.
northcyde
July 1st, 2012
12:03 am
Come on now. This is easy.
Turn that cap space into a winner for ATL. You can go with a number of options.
brigadierjerry
July 1st, 2012
12:06 am
Would be very interesting if this happens. Would probably end up a situation similar to Houston with owner Morey trying to get a star for his franchise since TMAC and Yao have been gone. They have been ok team but not a contender for awhile now and Morey other than getting that Gasol trade vetoed by the NBA but stars dont seem interested of going there. They also have a ton of cap space and assets so there are two ways to look at it.
Yawn....
July 1st, 2012
12:07 am
I like what a poster said earlier:
Trade the Atlanta Hawks to Seattle……would be worth about another Starbucks!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
July 1st, 2012
12:07 am
“OK Najeh . . the ball is in your court then.
It’s 2013, and JJ’s contract is off the books. Here’s what you’re looking at
- Josh Smith unrestricted FA
- Jeff Teague restricted FA
- Zaza Pachulia unrestricted FA
- Al Horford: 12 mill
- Marvin Williams: 7.5 mill
- John Jenkins: 1.2 mil ( approx )
You are upwards of 25 – 30 million UNDER the salary cap.
Rebuild the Hawks into a winner . . . GO.”
Well, first of all, you still have Marvin on the roster. If I had to rebuild the Hawks into a winner and I found a sucker dumb enough to trade for Joe’s contract, my first move after that would be to amnesty Marvin.
With that said, this isn’t too hard. Josh and Zaza are UFAs, Teague is a RFA, and Al and JJ12 are under contract. In other words, I have about $13 million of committed salaries, plus the $3 or $4 million for Teague’s QO, which means I have nearly $40 million of cap space.
Go hard after Dwight and Josh to try to get them to team up here. If Dwight and Josh say yes, that’s still only going to cost you about $30 million of that cap space, which means you have plenty of room to add another free agent or trade for another near-All Star level player to be the 3rd option. You can still sign Teague to the qualifying offer and trade Al for a SG or SF to balance out the starting lineup. That team will be at least as good as any team the Hawks have had in their entire history here.
If Dwight says no, I assume Josh will also say no, and you will be left with Teague, Al, and a ton of cap space. In other words, you have a ton of cap flexibility and two positions (PG and PF) locked down with three to fill.
So sign-and-trade Josh for a trade exception and picks (this is possible — LeBron and Bosh were also sign-and-traded for trade exceptions and picks), use these picks to trade up in the draft (since they will likely be in the 20s), tank for a season, get a high draft pick of your own, and draft the best player this team has had since Dominique Wilkins. And in the summer of 2014 after you have used your lottery pick, you can always accelerate the rebuilding process by offering a front-loaded deal to a restricted free agent (if we were talking this summer, that would be someone like James Harden or Eric Gordon for example).
I have a better question for you. Keep Joe on this roster and build a team that has a serious chance to win a championship. Go. And before you start, Joe and Gasol are not going anywhere near a championship together.
Jason S
July 1st, 2012
12:08 am
(JJ for scraps) OR (JJ for a trade exception AND a 2014 1st round draft pick)
I dunno. If the Hawks are just trying to dump salary, then trade exception plus 1st round pick might make sense. … but JJ for scraps … I don’t like it … at least not for the sort of scraps that Brooklyn has to offer.
Get Real
July 1st, 2012
12:08 am
Dear Northcyde:
Does one have to know the secret of how to live to 100 y/o, in order to understand the need to have a cancer removed now ?
prison mike
July 1st, 2012
12:09 am
“With no deal is close to completion, sources say the teams are discussing trade on multiple fronts.”
What I get from this is they want Joe AND Josh. We can’t do that deal for them though. The nets have limited resources. They have no high draft picks. No young players with high potential. I’m guessing they’ll trade us thrash ie expirings for Joe and basically sign and trade Lopez for JS.
But Ferry has to make his mark. To get expirings of petro, morrow, farmar. AND MB into the deal we need to get ahead and accept. He’ll provide a good stop gap until we find another 2, he’ll also be decent trade bait considering how well he’ll play with Josh, Al, and JT
Najeh Davenpoop
July 1st, 2012
12:09 am
“And teams that do that end up paying for it in the end.
When you have a tangible asset, you flip it for other tangible assets. ”
Tell that to OKC who traded Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis for three draft picks and a trade exception.
Jason S
July 1st, 2012
12:10 am
Sign and trade rules are different under the new CBA …
chem
July 1st, 2012
12:11 am
“…but Ferry so far has considered the price to be too high” —In reference to shopping Josh Smith, I’m sure Ferry doesn’t consider JS price too high. I think you meant the opposite…
UDontKnowWhatYourTalkingAbout
July 1st, 2012
12:12 am
@northcyde…It’s amazing how you keep glossing over THE FACT that the Hawks only have 6 players under contract and those six players contracts total nearly $61 million. Last year’s salary cap was at 58 million. So the ball is in your court. How do you fill out your roster and sign your own draft picks when you’re already 4 million over last year’s cap with just six players?
Shamrock
July 1st, 2012
12:13 am
Tell em Northcyde. Some expert Najeh is
. He probably been sniffing 10 year olds behinds all day
MakingNoSense
July 1st, 2012
12:14 am
@northcyde…It’s amazing how you keep glossing over THE FACT that the Hawks only have 6 players under contract and those six players contracts total nearly $61 million. Last year’s salary cap was at 58 million. So the ball is in your court. How do you fill out your roster and sign your own draft picks when you’re already 4 million over last year’s cap with just six players?
brigadierjerry
July 1st, 2012
12:14 am
If this deal goes down this team would take a step back but I think if you did a poll i think most hawk fans would sign for this even if it meant hawks end up between 6-8 seed for a few years. A big problem is that I dont see any stars wanting to come to Atlanta that are free agents or the ones that are already signed have no desire to come here. Also I have heard trade scenarios of Rudy Gay and Andre Iggy. Those down make the Hawks better than Joe Johnson.
If the fanbase overall agrees that this Hawks team isnt a contender meaning can make the ECF at the very least than I can see why some would want this trade to go down if it happens which right now no guarantee it will.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 1st, 2012
12:17 am
For that matter tell that to Miami who dumped Michael Beasley for two second-round picks to clear cap space to sign their big three. Tell that to the Lakers who dumped an established center in Vlade Divac for a late lottery pick in order to draft a shooting guard straight out of high school who is now on his way to the Hall of Fame.
Your use of the word “asset” to describe Joe is in and of itself accurate. At his salary, he is a liability, not an asset. An asset is something that has a net positive value. The positive value Joe contributes on the court is more than negated by this team’s complete inability to add any meaningful talent to this team directly as a result of his contract.
Najeh Davenpoop
July 1st, 2012
12:17 am
^that should be “is in and of itself inaccurate”
Michael Cunningham
July 1st, 2012
12:18 am
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.