Atlanta Hawks: Hawks select John Jenkins and Mike Scott in draft

The Hawks selected Vanderbilt sharpshooter John Jenkins and Virginia forward Mike Scott in the draft.

Jenkins was projected to go later in the draft than No. 23 but Larry Drew said the Hawks didn’t think he’d even make it to them.

“When Boston made the No. 22 selection, there was a lot of happiness in the room that John would be there,” Drew said.

That presumably means the Hawks weren’t waiting on Syracuse center Fab Melo. It definitely means they preferred Jenkins, 21, to prospects that might have more potential to improve such as Tony Wroten and Perry Jones.

At first glance, that doesn’t seem to fit with Danny Ferry’s focus on long-term development. But Drew said Jenkins has room to improve while providing an NBA skill now.

“He is a guy that has potential to get into rotational lineup,” Drew said. “But being a young kid, he’s a guy that can grow and provide some youth for us. He is a kid that wants to be the best. We have to think about not just the present but the future”

No doubt Jenkins was an elite shooter at Vandy.

“I like people that can shoot and he can definitely do that,” Ferry said. “He plays hard, hes’ a competitive kid, really tries to play the right way. When he’s on the court he will make shots and make it almost make it a four-on-five games because you can’t leave him. He’s got decent length for his size. We were encouraged he was there when we were picking.”

At Vanderbilt Jenkins wasn’t much of a passer, didn’t get to the free-throw line and didn’t rebound. All of those things will be much more difficult to do in the NBA.

There’s also a question of whether Jenkins is athletic enough to be an effective defender.

“He cares, and if we have a good system where he can play five-man defense, I think he will be a good job,” Ferry said. “He will play smart. I think he will compete every play. Again, you will have to go around to the other and and chase him around. He’s a dangerous weapon.”

Scott is an undersized, over-aged (24 next month) power forward who was awarded a fifth year at Virginia because of a medical hardship. He was a decent rebounder who increased his scoring efficiency during his time at Virginia as he developed a jump shot.

Ferry said Scott is strictly a power forward.

“He’s got the strength to be able to play the four position,” he said. “He’s got the strength. He’s a good 16-foot pick-and-pop player that can also finish around the basket and rebound. I think he’s got a chance to be a good player. He’s going to have to come in and compete both ends of the floor, do what coach Drew wants him to do.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

270 comments Add your comment

Melvin

June 29th, 2012
12:35 am

Not excited about the Jenkins pick but I’m hoping he turns out to be a good player….

Melvin

June 29th, 2012
12:37 am

Perry Jones or Moultrie was the best talent still left on the board at #23 but the Hawks drafted for need with Jenkins. Good bye Hinrich and Willie Green.

The Real cp

June 29th, 2012
12:39 am

And we still need an upgrade at sf.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 29th, 2012
12:41 am

FTPB

“These guys get paid immediately, why not expect them to be ready to produce immediately?”

This is the exact mentality that leads the Dickie Vs of the world to say Okafor should get picked over Dwight Howard.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 29th, 2012
12:43 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TjAFBdkm9s&feature=plcp

“Having a guy out there who can space the court for our core group I think will make the whole team function better”

We like our core, part 2.

Melvin

June 29th, 2012
12:45 am

Najeh,

Co-sign both of your post….

tyger

June 29th, 2012
12:49 am

Rumor: Jeff Teague amnestied immediately after pick?

Echevarria

June 29th, 2012
12:50 am

No big move made. Wonder if they even plan on doing anything big. Watch ATL’s luck, we’re gonna hold out and try to sign him. We’re gonna lose him for nothing. SMH

Echevarria

June 29th, 2012
12:50 am

by him, i mean sign Smith in FA next year. hawks……

Melvin

June 29th, 2012
12:54 am

“Perry Jones III might’ve been disappointed to see his name plummet so far down the draft board, but he couldn’t have asked for a better situation. The Oklahoma City Thunder add one of the top-five raw talents in this draft at the No. 28 pick. Unbelievable. If Jones fulfills even 70 percent of his potential, he’ll be a major steal for the Thunder at this spot. He is a jaw-dropping physical specimen with small forward skills in a 6-11 frame. Sound familiar? He played out of position on a chaotic Baylor squad, and he doesn’t always give his best effort (in the understatement of the draft). But he’s just too talented to pass up here, regardless of whatever knee issue he might have. Picks like these are what separates the Thunder from the rest of the league. – Nick Prevenas”

JustSayinB

June 29th, 2012
12:55 am

Hawks are the oldest team in the NBA. How’d that happen? By keeping this sick core together and the selling out to “entertain” at the Phillips. Danny, I hope your reading this so you can disolve the core and get some younger players in here. Get rid of all except Teague and Horford.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:58 am

“When Boston made the No. 22 selection, there was a lot of happiness in the room that John would be there,” Drew said.”

Really?????

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:00 am

“At Vanderbilt Jenkins wasn’t much of a passer, didn’t get to the free-throw line and didn’t rebound. All of those things will be much more difficult to do in the NBA.”

Really???????

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:02 am

“#Hawks GM Danny Ferry says no decision on qualifying offer for F Ivan Johnson. Deadline is Sat.”

Really?????????????

MattP

June 29th, 2012
1:02 am

Sounds like Drew is doing all the drafting…

MattP

June 29th, 2012
1:03 am

“When Boston made the No. 22 selection, there was a lot of happiness in the room that John would be there,” Drew said.”

That actually made me laugh.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:04 am

Ivan Johnson lit a fire under the Hawks last year and we don’t resign him right away but we draft Mike Scott?

FIRE EVERYBODY EMPLOYED BY THE HAWKS

Nique

June 29th, 2012
1:04 am

I really like our 2cnd round pick, Scott’s a player!

Shadrian Washington

June 29th, 2012
1:05 am

SAME OLD HAWKS SMH

KB

June 29th, 2012
1:05 am

You guys must not have watched much college basketball the past few years. Jenkins was a five-star recruit coming out of high school (and averaged 42/game). He started for three years at Vandy and was the best shooter in college basketball for two years. The guy is a scorer. Plus, he’s a work-a-holic, has good character, and doesn’t loaf (like half of the current Hawks roster). He’s a steal at #23. We haven’t had a shooter of his caliber since Steve Smith.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:07 am

I wonder what Grandmaster Jeje (GM) and Rod From College Park gots to say about the draft.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:08 am

Hawks may have the worst draft history in the NBA.

Shadrian Washington

June 29th, 2012
1:09 am

Who cares what Larry Drew thinks until he shows he is a real head coach instead of assistant coach sad

KB

June 29th, 2012
1:10 am

Mark Fox (UGA’s head coach) – “He (Jenkins) is the best shooter I’ve ever coached against.” Led the SEC in scoring last year, All-American selection, led the nation in 3 pt shooting. I wouldn’t take a Mark Bradley quote as gospel, Blog Legend.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:11 am

History has repeated itself again.

Swingman912

June 29th, 2012
1:12 am

Good Pick. PJ3 was appealing on potential, but that kids been playing off potential since high school. He averaged about 17ppg in high school, no where near dominant, but Baylor offered him cuz of potential. Average freshman year at Baylor, but still a supposed top 5 pick last year based on potential. Went back to school, and didn’t improve in ANY aspect of his game as a whole. Sure he showed flashes both years, but he didn’t score, rebound, defend, or even try consistently. Draft time this year, he continually dropped in stock due to inconsistent workouts….22 teams passed on him before us. So they all made mistakes too?? I understand there wasn’t much risk in taking him, but we don’t need another hybrid forward playing multiple positions. Hasn’t worked for us yet… Yes he may be an All Star one day, but I like this pick because we drafted a player based on what we know he can do, and what he did do in college, not on what he was supposed to do but never showed…I know another guy who had ALL the skills coming out of High School. He went to a big named college and didn’t even start as a freshmen, but showed flashes off the bench of being the next all star in the league…he got drafted really early and ended up not being close to what he was thought to become…..his name????

MARVIN WILLIAMS

CHUUUUCH

Ken Strickland

June 29th, 2012
1:14 am

Drafting a pick and pop SG that’s perfect for the motion OFF means JJ will be out of here sooner rather than later. Also, drafting a PF means Horford will remain at center,.and Josh will most likely be traded, either before the season or at the trade deadline. With both Josh and JJ gone, LDs motion OFF will finally be able to work as expected without them competing with each other to dominate the ball.

To comtinue making an issue of Horford alledgedly being soft, or complaining about him being an excellent midrange jump shooter, or him being an AllPro, shows an unbelievable level of ignorance and unbelievable stupidity. How else can you classify anyone who’s dumb enough to think they know more about a players talents, accomplishments, abilities and potential, than the players and coaches that voted him the NBAs 3rd best center. Once again, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

KB

June 29th, 2012
1:14 am

I guess you have no tangible proof to support your claims, Legend (and you obviously have never seen John Jenkins play, or know very little about basketball). This is the first time, (maybe ever), that I applaud the organization’s draft choices. Kudos to Danny Ferry. It’s long overdue.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:15 am

KB

Jenkins is another J.J. Redick.

Shadrian Washington

June 29th, 2012
1:19 am

The Hawks love drafting 6″8 players..EARTH TO HAWKS U WILL NEVER FIND ANOTHER DOMINIQUE WILKINS

KB

June 29th, 2012
1:20 am

At worst, yes, he could be. At best, a Ray Allen. Either way, he’s no DeMarr Johnson, Priest Lauderdale, Ed Gray, Adam Keefe…c’mon. I think he’s a better scorer than Reddick – better at getting to the free-throw line and at taking it to the hoop. Reddick serves as an important role player for the Magic. Not sure they could’ve done much better at 23 than to get a guy that is a proven scorer and shooter and has a great work ethic.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:21 am

I remember Drew was complaining the Hawks shot too many jumpers yet he draft another jump shooter.

FIRE LD

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:23 am

J.J. Redick might be the best shooter in NCAA history. Look what happened to him in the NBA.

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
1:23 am

Both Jenkins and Scott can space the floor.
Danny Ferry has a plan.
Quote – ” if we have a good system
where he can play five-man defense,
I think he will be a good job.”
” He will play smart. I think he will compete every play ”

Key word [1st word] ” if ”
LD had best pay attn.
Mike Budenholzer … Will get `em in a good system !
____________________________________________

* Also:
* Mike Scott can really shoot.

KB

June 29th, 2012
1:23 am

I agree with your harsh comments on Larry Drew. But unlike Josh Smith, Jenkins can actually make jump shots (and should be shooting them…).

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
1:25 am

The oldest team in the League:

I think they were counting Damp, Collins, T-mac, et al.

Drizzy

June 29th, 2012
1:25 am

Why not PJIII? But I’ll take Jenkins, we can use the scoring.. #LetsGoHAWKS

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
1:26 am

Damp alone was / is 62.

You Should Stop Posting

June 29th, 2012
1:29 am

tyger

June 29th, 2012
12:49 am
Rumor: Jeff Teague amnestied immediately after pick?
______________________________________________

You see the name

HawkKingBibby

June 29th, 2012
1:30 am

I think we were looking for guyd who could be efficent players in the half court offense.

Shadrian Washington

June 29th, 2012
1:30 am

Poor Al Hortford will never get to play his natural position

No Free Throws Here

June 29th, 2012
1:32 am

For a guy who “didn’t get to the free throw line”, Jenkins made over 85% of his 314 free throws during his last 2 seasons at Vandy – 67 games. So, he made just over 4 per game with 4.7 attempts per game. Not a huge number, but it’s not like he’s a complete “stop and shoot” zombie….. Zombies never get fouled….

KB

June 29th, 2012
1:35 am

Thanks for the stat backup, No Free Throws Here. Numbers don’t lie. Mark Bradley does.

Shadrian Washington

June 29th, 2012
1:35 am

I think Danny Ferry is drafting for his next coach not LD

jlewis

June 29th, 2012
1:36 am

Seems everyone thinks Josh or JJ or both should be gone, or just do not care for them as players. I just have one question, who in this draft, or drafts in the last 5 years, or free agents, that you can get to replace these guys? Disqualify the top three players of each draft, the Hawks did not have those pics.

Jae Evolution

June 29th, 2012
1:38 am

Can we start Joe Johnson + filler for Dwight Howard rumors again?

Shadrian Washington

June 29th, 2012
1:39 am

How can you trade players and the coach doesn’t have a system..This team has no identity that’s why they draft so bad

Shadrian Washington

June 29th, 2012
1:41 am

DRAFT I MEANT

KevinM

June 29th, 2012
2:21 am

I agree with Matt…..LD ran this draft.

So Ferry is going to let him develop 2 draft picks when he didn’t even develop Teague…..

I would have preferred Lamb and Miller, but Scott did stand out more than Miller.

We’ll know soon enough if Jenkins has enough size/quickness to stick.
I gotta think Scott can push the old vet Marvin for the SF slot unless Josh gets to go there full-time.

JustJoe, LD sure did tip his hand here didn’t he? He brought Jenkins and Lamb back and you said he raved about Scott.

Im accepting of any picks that weren’t PFs….maybe the Billy Knight era is finally over!

kidstunna

June 29th, 2012
2:29 am

WE shoulda gotten a past first point in round 2 to feed the ball your three point specialist

Steve

June 29th, 2012
2:34 am

resign ivan johnson

craig

June 29th, 2012
2:50 am

I like the pick of John Jenkins he can come in and play the 2 guard move Joe to the 3 spot and have Josh and Al Horford playing the 4 and 5 positions. They will have a team that can run the floor and spread the floor. Open up opportunities for our shooters and cutters operate.

And for all of y’all that insist on the Hawks to get rid of Josh Smith and/or Joe Johnson who do you think would be better than them. Josh is one of the best defensive players in the league, he can create his own shot, and is a great passer. Why do you think do many teams want him from the grizzlies and the lakers. Let’s just hope that we can keep this beast.

Rusty

June 29th, 2012
2:51 am

Resign Ivan. Fire that idiot of a coach.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
2:52 am

BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

“#Hawks GM Danny Ferry says no decision on qualifying offer for F Ivan Johnson. Deadline is Sat.”

NO DECISION? BIG IVAN DID MORE FOR THIS TEAM LAST YEAR THAN MARVIN WILL EVER DO. HAWKS ATUCK ON STUPID.

Barton

June 29th, 2012
2:56 am

Jenkins.. maybe a Ginobli?

craig

June 29th, 2012
2:57 am

Marvin is a bust but he is a solid role player and good defender. We do need to resign Ivan Johnson though

Barton

June 29th, 2012
3:00 am

@ Craig – anyone would be better than Joe Johnson. Truly, that man seriously impedes the chemistry of the team because he complains about not getting the ball enough, forcing his teammates to defer to him, and then chokes or dribbles away possessions when he does get the ball. If we could unload that contract the Hawks would be at a huge advantage.

I back up my assertion with the play of the Hawks last year (and J-Smoove) when Johnson went down in the third quarter of the season for a couple of games and the Hawks didn’t skip a beat. In fact, Smoove stepped up his game and started becoming the dominant, focal point of the team. Moreover, Teague attacked the basket more and Pachulia even saw his role and stats increase. Joe Johnson is a cancer to both the chemistry and efficiency of this team.

MaxxHawk

June 29th, 2012
3:03 am

Swingman901- Chuuuuuuch!

vava74

June 29th, 2012
3:13 am

Now get Henry Sims and Scott Machado.

Machado is bound to be a quality backup PG in the league and all C’s coming from Georgetown deserve a careful look since they can pass, play team ball, set picks, score on the pick n roll, …

And don’t over look Kevin Jones too.

Chuck Hayes is an effective ball player. There is no reason for us not to look at all cheap but decent options available.

If you (Ferry) are serious about player development, you cannot let these guys out on the street without taking a look at them.

craig

June 29th, 2012
3:16 am

I believe Josh is the best player on the Hawks team and the offense should be ran through Josh and Al. Joe should be the top outside option for the hawks but he should be the third scoring option for the hawks behind Josh and Al

DaVonte Hughes

June 29th, 2012
3:18 am

resign ivan johnson

Jae Evolution

June 29th, 2012
3:33 am

I would give an offer to UFA Chauncey Billups come Free Agency, prior to the injury he was doing good things in LA. Could also be an extremely important mentor to John Jenkins.

Also a main person we should target is Omer Asik, Bulls can’t afford him and we could march out…

Teague/Joe/Josh/Horford/Asik

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
4:23 am

LMAO @ the blog flipping out when Jenkins was picked. That was funny. Typical overreaction.

Good pick by the Hawks, if they plan to keep this team as is. While I would’ve preferred the more defensive minded Jeff Taylor, I have no problem with bringing in John Jenkins.

So people are upset that we drafted a shooter/scorer, despite offense being a problem during the playoffs? Drew’s system is predicated on people who can shoot the basketball. Jenkins can shoot the basketball. So this was an ideal pick for them, in their eyes.

I have told you guys for about 4 weeks now, that this was a “fool’s gold” draft. It’s maybe only about 3 – 5 star quality players in this draft. The rest will simply be role players ( some developing into good role players ) or straight busts.

We were picking #23 folks. It’s not like there was a superstar waiting for us to take him at that spot. Hawks got a dude who they felt that could help them right away in Jenkins. And Mike Scott is simply Ivan’s long lost 3rd cousin.

Teague – ( Free Agent PG ) –

Johnson – Jenkins – ( Free agent combo guard )

Marvin – ( Free Agent F )

Smith – Ivan – Scott

Horford – Zaza – ( Free Agent C )

JeannieB in VA

June 29th, 2012
4:28 am

Congratulations on grabbing Mike Scott! Hawks fans are going to fall in love with him, just as all of Wahoo nation did. He deserved to be ACC player of the year — everybody knew it — and only lost out because North Carolina sportswriters dominate the voting. Mike has the heart of a lion, a wicked sense of humor, and is one of the nicest, coolest guys out there. Hope he likes Atlanta, and Atlanta appreciates what a find he is.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
4:30 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok8bXyISyH8

Scott has a sweeeeet touch.

He is not hitting those practice drill shots only because there is no opposition, he hits them because his mechanics are solid, he squares his shoulders perfectly, even on non-catch and shoot situations and because his release point and elevation are also consistent every time.

He is wide chested and could be a valuable NBA player if he is able to play solid team defense.

His overall form, foot work and ball control look substantially better already than Marvin’s whose fundamentals apart from his “catch and shoot” shooting motion are simply horrible.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
4:46 am

And on Jenkins:

Anytime that a guy shoots .430 from 3 point range while SHOOTING 8 THREE POINTERS per game, you have a NBA ready skill in your hands.

He has longer wingspan than Redick (who is a decent NBA player), so he could be more effective on the defensive end, also better vertical and stronger.

If we get with the #23 pick a guy who can come into games and knock down open shots and has enough skill to pull up off the dribble (as his highlights seem to indicate), I don’t think we should be worried at all.

WBuckATC

June 29th, 2012
5:04 am

I was hoping the Hawks would find a Center wiht some potentil in the second round to develop. I see where Sims and Stutz went undrafted. Would not be a bad idea for the Hawks to look at these two as undrafted free agents and an invite to camp to see what they have. Dampier and Collins are not too impressive as 3rd string Centers and thier age is up there.

mothers concerned

June 29th, 2012
5:12 am

SAME OLD HAWKS SCARED TO CHANGE ;0

vava74

June 29th, 2012
5:13 am

Northcyde:

Picking up where you left it:

Teague – Pargo – Machado

Johnson – Jenkins – Pargo (undersized but can be used as off guard offensive support)

Marvin – Ivan (can defend SFs and can bully them as a reserve on offense – his shooting touch is underrated)

Smith – Ivan – Scott

Horford – Zaza – Collins (if D. Howard remains in our conference we need him)

My preferred move would be to ditch Marvin altogether to shake up a bit things.

Any expiring contract and a second round would do it for me.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
5:14 am

Add to the list a couple of projects or specialists (wing defender).

hawk haterbecauseof ownership

June 29th, 2012
5:17 am

I brlievein danny ferry 3 to 5 yrss under. Danny ferry and this tesm will contend for title get phil jackson we win in 3yrs pay out money you scug owners

Marcus

June 29th, 2012
5:26 am

man …. right now I am somewhat shell-shocked that we skipped some talent who filled need areas (PG, SF, C) during both our picks. PJIII, Wroten, and others still on the board when Jenkins was snagged, Machado (PG, Iona), and H. Mills (C, G’town) still on the board.

:(

terrell

June 29th, 2012
5:42 am

“Provide some youth for us”. Drew must think he’s the long term coach here. lol. At least we took a guy who CAN shoot, and not one who THINKS he can shoot. Like MOST our current players. Look at it this way, we either got Ray Allen, or JJ Reddick. Hope its Ray.

brigadierjerry

June 29th, 2012
5:56 am

Lots of good undrafted rookies such as Machado, Tu Halloway. A lot of them got undrafted in favor or European players for stash and dash for a few years. Hopefully Hawks invite some of them to a Summer League invite. Looking forward to watching those games now.

A-Ville Ranger

June 29th, 2012
6:20 am

I like Jenkins a lot, just not for The Hawks. He should have gone to a team like OKC where he could be their Steve Kerr and just supply them with a one dimentional component to their already complete team. I would have been happy taking a Vandy player at 23…Taylor that is.

Jenkins might be the best pure shooter to come along in years though, so it’s not a wasted pick. Scott could turn out to be a real steal. PFs who can score as efficiently as he did this past year are always in short supply. He is also a pretty good rebounder.

St. Bernard

June 29th, 2012
6:24 am

I think this was a Larry Drew draft.

SuckerFree

June 29th, 2012
6:32 am

IF Perry Jones III wasn’t available than there’s nothing wrong with this pick….HOWEVER Perry Jones III slid and fell into our laps

Larry Screw and Danny I’m about to be on a Ferry out of town screwed this up in a collossal way.

hawks_4_life

June 29th, 2012
6:38 am

DAM BLOG MONSTER

hawks_4_life

June 29th, 2012
6:41 am

This is a solid draft, not spectacular by any means. Get a couple chips in place, trade someone here, amnesty another there. Pick a superstar in the lottery and in two to three years a totally different team.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
6:48 am

Jenkins success or failure will fall on his work ethic (see Ray Allen) and the teams’ ability to set screens for him and deliver the ball on time.

Most shooters in the NBA quit working once they’ve run all over the court trying to free themselves off of a lazy screen just to see the PG watching them while pounding the ball against the court. KG and Pierce set great screens and Rondo usually delivers the ball on time. Teague could see his assists go up.

terrell

June 29th, 2012
6:49 am

Can Mike Scott play sf?? Hope so. Like everything I’ve read and seen from him.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
6:53 am

David Lighty playing with Hawks summer league team. Good pick up.

hawks_4_life

June 29th, 2012
6:55 am

I know everyone is for Perry Jones but he slipped for a reason and don’t get me wrong I’m pulling for all these young guys to make something of themselves but can the Hawks really take that risk? I think a few solid moves like our picks then go for the all or nothing player.

tony

June 29th, 2012
7:00 am

John Jenkins and Mike Scott are:

1) Fundamentally Sound

2) Smart Scorers

3) Mature

4) Fearless

I give this draft a B+

Samuel

June 29th, 2012
7:00 am

You can’t keep putting a product out on the floor, who can’t compete with the likes of Miami and Boston. Hopefully you can trade Josh Smith and bring in Gasol or another big man who can play the center position.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
7:05 am

terrell,

from his workout video, he seems to possess good mobility, so probably he can be a “Power SF”.

yes, you got it, another tweener :-D

vava74

June 29th, 2012
7:08 am

Samuel
June 29th, 2012
7:00 am

There were several reasons why we did not win the BOS series:

1. Injuries (Zaza, Josh, Horford);
2. Coaching disparity;
3. Refereeing.

These are simple facts.

We need better coaching and a bit more luck with injuries.

hawks_4_life

June 29th, 2012
7:21 am

Samuel, that is true but you also need solid players on the bench. Picking that late in the draft you rarely find a superstar. I think there are more moves to come, remember new gm a few days from the draft you really can’t expect much. Ferry did try to trade for the 12th pick but it didn’t work out. The fact that he is exploring options is already better than stand-pat Sund.

Ray

June 29th, 2012
7:25 am

Okay so after my reaction from last night.

I still say John Jenkins could have been had in round 2.

IF we picking Guards why not Marquis Teague you’d have legit insurance in case Jeff goes down his brother just as quick.

beone

June 29th, 2012
7:25 am

Jenkins – smart / will compete every play / play within a “system” – I like what I hear. Will no longer tolerate hero ball. We’re on the correct path whether you guys like it or not.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
7:28 am

Best available player does NOT mean player with the most upside. by definition, players with the most reward also have a low floor (risk). The Hawks are still waiting for Dion Glover to develop his talents.

We don’t have a lethal perimeter shooter on the squad. Not one. And that is a required skill to make a deep playoff run. We filled an important skill gap in the draft. Teams that endlessly search in storage rooms for the wow factor usually end up woth a ton of old, dirty mattresses.

Meanwhile, Scott sounds like David West, Jr. Polished offensive player with enough strength to hold his own under the glass.

There is nothing wrong with creating a culture of “come prepared to work, earn your money, earn your playing time and work”. That should be how a player develops themselves, with a sense of urgency shared across the team. Heaven knows, this team needs some sense of urgency and a “get it done” mindset.

dmr

June 29th, 2012
7:29 am

If you watched SEC basketball, John Jenkins will have no doubt popped up on your radar once or twice. I don’t have a problem with this pick at all. Great shooter with potential. Knee injuries that are serious? Anyone seen Greg Oden lately? Hawks cannot gamble! The Thunder can.

O'Brien

June 29th, 2012
7:29 am

Ken S,

Drafting a pick and pop SG that’s perfect for the motion OFF means JJ will be out of here sooner rather than later..

1) What motion offense?
2) It doesn’t matter who we draft, because the fact still remains we owe JJ 4 years, $89 mil. Nobody wants that contract.

KevinM,

I’m accepting of any picks that weren’t PFs….maybe the Billy Knight era is finally over!.

I hate to burst your bubble, but did you miss MC’s comment?

Ferry said Scott is strictly a power forward..

And that’s why I don’t understand the Scott pick. Al can play minutes at backup PF, so can Marvin. And we can still resign Ivan. Why draft another PF?

I don’t mind the Jenkins pick. My one concern is we are already a team that takes too many jumpers, so what do we do? Bring in a jump shooter.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
7:33 am

I do wonder if at some point last night, Ferry looked at Sund, Pendergraft and Levinson and said (or thought), “if you idiots had not traded the other 2nd round pick, we could have chosen Festus at 23, and used those 2 other picks to move up the draft board to get either Jenkins or Lamb, but since you sold it off on eBay, we’re going to have to grab a shooter now”.

Hopefully, Henry Sims, Hollis Thompson and/or Machado will end up on the Summer League team since we have so many roster spots to fill.

hawks_4_life

June 29th, 2012
7:38 am

Astro Joe well said, I think it was a solid draft especially where we were slated to pick.

Pick and Miss

June 29th, 2012
7:41 am

Can we send Danny Ferry back to SA??? What is the deal with all these GM’s? Do they get beat by the stupid stick when they get hired by the Hawks?? Wasnt the approach for this draft going to be “best player available?” We only have 6 players signed and you are saying this is the best player available? Im done supporting these perennial losers!!! We found out that Drew is not a very competent coach during the playoffs and obviously he is not good at evaluating talent either. Room to grow?? He was one of the oldest players in the draft and he does one thing well – shooting. Im done with these losers and the ownership.

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
7:43 am

And Just Joe, speaking of Summer League . . . that will be the proving ground for our picks. When people see how they perform in that environment, that will ease the anxiety a bit. And the Hawks are kind of big on some of the summer league invitees like Lighty and Jeremy Hazell. They may be one of the young guys that they eventually bring into the October preseason camp.

And Vava hit it on the head with Jenkins. When you shoot that high of a percentage from 3 point range, while taking 8 threes a game, that is a legit outside shooter from 21+ feet in the making. That is not a “fake” 3 point shooter. He has a shot to come right into the NBA and shoot 40%+ from 3 point range, like Klay Thompson of Golden St did this year.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
7:44 am

I think the Scott pick means Ivan is out. I think Ferry is letting LD set his roster, and I’m not sure LD ever got over his episode with Ivan. You now see that Ferry won’t commit to extending the qualifying offer to Ivan, which is a change from what MC was saying when Sund was still calling the shots.

Having Ivan and Scott seems a little repetitive. It’s almost the same as the Hawks bringing back Willie Green now that they have Jenkins.

Jesse

June 29th, 2012
7:46 am

It’s the San Antonio in Ferry. Safe, smart and well rounded players. I think Scott will make the roster as a 2nd round pick, which is rare. I also think having Jenkins to hit 2 or 3 three pointers a game is going to make a difference. Will Jones III turn into a star? Maybe. Will Jenkins hit threes, yes.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
7:52 am

Hawks need a good summer league PG to make sure the ball gets spread around properly. Not sure what guys fit the description. Finding a guy that can handle the ball and defend would be ideal.

CSP

June 29th, 2012
8:04 am

@ vava. You truly showed your ignorance when you have Ivan getting SF minutes.

BIG DOG

June 29th, 2012
8:12 am

Northcyde – Say Hawks made a good pick and also have Marvin still starting on his board, JUST DAM.

If Marvin starte 1 game this year after six years of watching him LD should be a shame of him self.

How is Jenkins a good pick, Marvin William during practice made 24 jumpshots in a row, SMH

This organzation is a joke no way did Danny make this draft pick, this team need a center and Fab went before Hawks pick, so that left Festus Ezeli on the board, but yet the Hawks drafted another Rodney Monroe from 1991, I BE DAM

BIG DOG IN THEHOUSE

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
8:16 am

Comparing Willie Green to John Jenkins. Very similar in size. Jenkins is an inch or so taller with just a slightly longer wingspan. In college, Willie shot just over 30% from 3. He was more of a scorer than shooter. Willie has only had two years in the league where he shot better than 35% from 3 (last year was 44%).

As far as JJ Reddick. His wingspan is 5 inches shorter than Jenkins’s, and Jenkins came out of college roughly 20 pounds heavier. Jenkins should have the tools to be a better defender than Reddick, but that’s not saying much.

BIG DOG

June 29th, 2012
8:22 am

Nobody had Jenkins going in 1st round but yet the Hawks draft him at pick #23.

SAME OLD HAWKS.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
8:22 am

Draft express and nbadraft.net both had Jenkins going 32nd. DE had Scott at 47, while .net had him at 40.

O'Brien

June 29th, 2012
8:29 am

LD:“But being a young kid, he’s a guy that can grow and provide some youth for us..

Provide some youth? What? I’m surprised LD didnt throw a “irregardless” in there too.

As for Jenkins, can he work his way into being a starting SG, with JJ moved to SF? Or is he too one dimensional? I just don’t want to see Marvin in the starting lineup again…

BIG DOG

June 29th, 2012
8:31 am

Poor Horford keep asking him self when will this team get him some help.

Will the Hawks try get a center during free agent ?

Danny bro these draft picks are horrible please make it up by signing a center in free agent.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
8:44 am

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
7:44 am

I think the Scott pick means Ivan is out. I think Ferry is letting LD set his roster, and I’m not sure LD ever got over his episode with Ivan. You now see that Ferry won’t commit to extending the qualifying offer to Ivan, which is a change from what MC was saying when Sund was still calling the shots.

Having Ivan and Scott seems a little repetitive. It’s almost the same as the Hawks bringing back Willie Green now that they have Jenkins.

****************

This makes sense. So Scott is the guy and Ivan is probably out. God forbid that Ivan goes somewhere else and turns into a quality rotation player and Scott struggles to find his niche. The fan base will REALLY have it out for Drew then. Bad enough that he immediately gave up on JC2. But giving up on Ivan may be the last straw.

PG: Teague – ( Free agent PG )

G: Johnson – Jenkins

F: Marvin – ( Free agent G/F ) – ( Free agent F )

PF: Smith – Scott – ( Free agent F )

C: Horford – Zaza – ( Free agent C )

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
8:52 am

LOL Big Dog

Marvin is simply an average player. But right now, he’s the 2nd best SF on the team behind JJ.

Now if Jenkins can prove that he can shoot and most importantly defend well enough to be a starter, then you put him at the 2 and move JJ to the 3. Then Marvin can go to the bench.

I don’t know why people get so mad at the Marvin situation, when they know that we don’t have anybody on the team that we can insert at other positions to justify him staying on the bench. We got away with it for a while with Hinrich at the 2. But he ended up being the defensive version of Mike Bibby, with little offense coming from him.

If Marvin would embrace the role of a 6th man, AND get legit 6th man usage, it may be a plus for this team.

But until we find a SG or a SF other than JJ that is starter worthy, Marvin has to start on most nights.

It is what it is . . . ( shrug )

El Bravo

June 29th, 2012
8:53 am

This is garbage. We could have taken Perry Jones in the first, Kim English in the second and much been better off addressing the same two positions…

BIG DOG

June 29th, 2012
8:53 am

2012 Atlanta Hawks

Teague, Joe, Josh, Horford, Zaza

Pargo, Jenkins, Marvin, Ivan, Collins

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

El Bravo

June 29th, 2012
8:54 am

been much better off…

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
9:01 am

Rodney Monroe: 6-3 . . 185 lbs . . played with the greatest passing college PG in history ( Chris Corchaini )

John Jenkins: 6-4 . . 215 lbs . . . played with Brad Tinsley, not even a top 5 SEC PG.

Rodney literally couldn’t get his shot off on the NBA level. Jenkins has a lightning quick release, ala Salim Stoudamire. At 6-4, he’ll have little difficulty getting his shot off vs most NBA 2s. He should be a decent role player for us. Hopefully his adjustment to the NBA is a lot quicker than JJ Redick’s.

I still would’ve rather had Taylor, but Jenkins will do.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
9:02 am

CSP
June 29th, 2012
8:04 am

Ivan can defend all 3 front court positions. He has proven that satisfactorily.

He has quick feet and quicker hands, stripping balls deftly and often.

His shooting touch extends to 18 feet and his ability to drive both right and left make him mobile enough to do it against second unit SFs.

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
9:06 am

When Jenkins hits 5 threes in a row during Summer League, people will be ooo’in and ahhh’in about him.

Damn . . it’s gonna be almost 110 degrees in Middle TN today. Nashville is Las Vegas all of a sudden.

just a thought..

June 29th, 2012
9:10 am

When does summerleague start?

FuriousCalm

June 29th, 2012
9:11 am

“I like the pick of John Jenkins he can come in and play the 2 guard move Joe to the 3 spot and have Josh and Al Horford playing the 4 and 5 positions. They will have a team that can run the floor and spread the floor. Open up opportunities for our shooters and cutters operate.”

My exact thoughts when the pick was announced. I’ve seen him play, he’s an assassin and a smart player. I’d like to see how he works at the 2 with “the core” at some point.

I was shocked at the doom and gloom opinions immediately after the pick but then I remembered where I was.

I don’t know anything about Scott, but I know interior toughness and hustle will help.

just a thought..

June 29th, 2012
9:12 am

I want to see how this kid fairs defensively before I make up my mind on him like most bloggers here that he was a bad pick. If he can be our Kyle Korver, he’s a steal. Same with Mike Scott, I was just hoping that he could play the back up Small Forward.

BYC

June 29th, 2012
9:19 am

I gotta admit i’ve never seen either of these guys play so i’ll reserve judgement until the season starts. I hope drafting another SG and SF means that Ferry’s got some big plans on the trading block.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
9:26 am

Somehow, upside seems to now be defined as a player with very limited skills, ton of athleticism, and a whole lot to learn. But even guys who come in with some NBA-ready skills have upside. Jenkins, as example, may need to improve his handle, awareness of teammates, ability to fight through screens on defense, learn the proper defensive angles, etc. I think NVE has done a really nice job with Teague and I hope that he gets to be Jenkins’ position coach.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
9:28 am

“Hawks GM Danny Ferry says no decision on qualifying offer for F Ivan Johnson. Deadline is Sat.”

You’ve got to be kidding me.

Marcus

June 29th, 2012
9:36 am

O’B,
We do take a lot of J’s …. most times either out of desperation (dribble down shot clock in isolation play call) or the wrong person (Smoove at end of ball rotation after having floated out 16 – 23 ft.).

if those items can be rectified or even reduced to a minimum ….. and get jumpers from those most suited to hit them from their best spots (Horford/Smoove 15 ft and in; both JJs in rhythm from anywhere; Teague and Marvin off rotation/ball movement)….much better prospect in combination with a hopefully more potent and purposeful inside game from our bigs.

Ray

June 29th, 2012
9:37 am

@ Buddy G

A lot of changes coming in the form of a new bench I don’t think anyone from last year’s roster will be back especially Pargo or Green.

I’m saying this now I don’t blame this on Danny Ferry. I think Danny’s thinking was I’m letting them do this one last time and let them have their last F-up for this franchise at least I hope that’s what he was thinking.

random

June 29th, 2012
9:38 am

Much of you dogging john jenkins but aparently hes a steal according to espn

Ray

June 29th, 2012
9:38 am

Okay if we can’t trade Joe Johnson at all.

Then our only option is to Trade Marvin I think there is a trade being worked out who knows maybe Golden St. likes Marvin so much they send us Festus back in return?

Ra'mon

June 29th, 2012
9:39 am

Wow, ESPN just gave Hawks some love for the Jenkins pick. They said, he’s exactly what they needed.

Ray

June 29th, 2012
9:40 am

@ Random and Ra’mon

I’m not mad about us picking John Jenkins I’m mad that we picked him this high basically we reached up to grab him when Perry Jones 3, Arnett, Teague’s younger brother, Jeff Taylor, Fetsus all were avaliable.

If we would have traded up in the second round we could have had John Jenkins most likely.

John

June 29th, 2012
9:42 am

I agree with a poster above. If PJII is not available, and Moultrie, to a lesser degree, this pick is not that bad. However, the Hawks had an opportunity to get a guy with star potential at 23. He did not have character issues. His problem is that he does not play as assertive as people would like with his skill set. Bilas said it best. PJII could be an all-star and at worst a starter. Jenkins at best is a fringe starter and at worst, a decent shooter off the bench. People are missing the point here. This is the only time I can remember that a potential star fell this far. OKC shows why they are such a good franchise by taking him.

random

June 29th, 2012
9:42 am

tbh I think the heat wouldve snatched up john jenkins

vava74

June 29th, 2012
9:44 am

From Sheridanhoops (article pre-draft on possible STEALS):

John Jenkins, Junior, 6-4, SG, Vanderbilt
Where he probably will be picked: 26-35
Where he should be picked: 15-20

Jenkins currently is viewed as a bubble first-round pick who more than likely will slip into the second round. His stock took a big hit with Vanderbilt’s early flameout in the NCAA Tournament, but his shot-making ability is undeniable. Jenkins has unlimited range on his jumper and always seems to make big shots during the momentum-changing moments of games. He may be a bit small for his position, but his killer mentality will keep him on the floor in crunch time.

Big-Shot Jenkins is a possibility guys. I am not saying a world class all round SG but maybe we got a guy who will come off the bench to knock down consistently shots in the second team and we desperately needed that.

Whenever there was a possible momentum changing shot, the fact is that all that we have been seeing from the Hawks – apart from a few games in which Green and Pargo went crazy hot – was “clank” “clank” and “clank”.

random

June 29th, 2012
9:48 am

@John

What does OKC need? Exactly nothing they made it to the finals last year with that team. If anything they need a productive center, unlike perkins the foul machine. they picked him b/c he was the best player left basically, but they had no reason to pick him, he is a risk to take. Like someone on he blog earlier said the hawks cant take that chance, the OKC can since they are already deep and made to the finals with the same team.

MsDee

June 29th, 2012
9:48 am

You guys are thinking to small where John Jenkins is concern. Since it looks as tho Josh will be sticking around for another season, Josh can do to Jenkins what Rondo does for Ray Allen. Josh is an excellent passer and can kick that ball to a WIDE OPEN JENKINS for an assist! Josh has now 2 options there, JJ and JJ..(lol). NOW I understand why Drew was surprised that Jenkins got passed Boston, considering the fact that they might lose Ray and all. Jenkins would have been RIGHT THERE to replace him. Jenkins is a freakin clone of Ray, so how can people be mad that we picked him?? Im not hating on this pick at all!! I love it cause WE ACTUALLY CAN SEE WHAT THIS GUY WILL BRING YOU, unlike PJ3, Q Miller, or any of these other forwards with medical issues with their so-call “potential”.

Also about this Mike Scott pick..again, im loving what Danny Ferry is doing here. He scouts this guy out, most likely for San Antonio, while keeping him under the radar cause Im sure NO ONE has heard of him. WE chkout his clips for youtude, and can clearly see what he can bring to the table. Only team who may have a problem with our pick is the Spurs..lol

Ray

June 29th, 2012
9:50 am

Yeah the last time someone talked about a player having knee problems the Spurs got D. Blair how’d that turn out for them?

Don’t get me wrong there is always going to be an issue with a lot of players, but at #23 he’s a low risk high reward player at that point.

If we picking at #10 or something around there I understand not drafting Perry Jones 3.

But at #23 come on man.

doc

June 29th, 2012
10:02 am

Well the negative clan was out in force last night. They filled out the roster with legit grown ups capable of being pros because they act like pros and the minons went wild. Yeah there were other choices but these are guys they knew well as at least one or both had two visits.

I went to the draft event at red and the announcer twice came out and asked who of the second interviewees did folks think we’re going to be picked. Right there was an indication they were not goimg to vary from script. Something about needs and what was written lead me to say Jenkins would be our pick to my daughter when asked.

The kid jenkins is solid. His specialty is his shot which wont go away and he is a learner. Yeah it is safe for a team with too little to spend on a roster only filled out to six players for the coming year.

Scott is probably better than shells and he won’t need to be a starter just play his role. He is mature and smart so I dare say he is also better than powell of two years ago. Hopefully he will be able to get some minutes as he is reliable and a chess piece that won’t go rogue on you when asked to do something.

Perry was obviously a very hot potato that fell to a team that had time to kick the tires a bit and see if he can mature. If he was that much a head case to fall from top ten to almost out of the first round the kid has a lot to prove as his head cost him a lot of money. Mega mil body with a ten cent brain. D Ferry is not going for those guys on a hunch and that is what he would have been since he wasn’t brought here for workouts or more specifically interviews.

Overall vanilla and I said that about the horford/acie year where they played it safe. Noah or yi were guys that they could have gone for and didn’t, aciie could have been stuckey but not much left in that draft beyond that but relying on impressions and not researching who fell later.

I hope this draft was as deep as some thought and we got some players. Watched the show after I got back and everyone looks like a keeper from the views of the cast. Of course this is kind of an advertisement for the nba as Espinoza shills on. Pragmatic critiques are not going to be heard as much as the upside on each one.

Seems like more sensible responses today, nice stuff guys. Last two guards picked by Sunday ok, benson was it? Last year a make believe story, a real project in an organization that had no clue about player development. These guys have both been studs in legit conferences. We will see, eh?

Ray

June 29th, 2012
10:02 am

One of the main reason Boston didn’t need Jenkins is because they are more concerned with KG’s replacement they found Ray Allen in Avery Bradley they have no PF’s or C’s really after KG yeah that 1 guy, but again it’s that one guy.

Henceforth the picks of J. Sullinger and Fab Melo.

Ray

June 29th, 2012
10:05 am

@ doc

Real reason PJ3 fell so far is because his Knee problems even if his attitude didn’t rub off on some people right he wouldn’t have fallen that far.

doc

June 29th, 2012
10:09 am

Is Jenkins bigger and better than Heinrich at two? If so that is huge for this team and a scenario I could be real happy about. We should compare him more to that than green or reddick who turned out pretty good as I had doubts about him thinking he was a great white hope dookie type.

doc

June 29th, 2012
10:11 am

Ray meniscus issues are a dime a dozen unless he has had several surgeries and there is nothing there. His knee issue was only alluded to but never expounded upon.

Ra'mon

June 29th, 2012
10:16 am

I just think that you can go find shooters just as good or better than Jenkins in free agency. Can he really shoot much better than D. Cook? But Moultrie rebounding at a high clip, you can’t find that cheap on the free agency market.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
10:16 am

Hinrich has a much better handle than Jenkins. Jenkins is by far the better shooter. Hinrich plays better defense right now. Jenkins seems to be a little heavier, stronger.

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
10:21 am

Ra’mon

June 29th, 2012
10:16 am

I just think that you can go find shooters just as good or better than Jenkins in free agency. Can he really shoot much better than D. Cook? But Moultrie rebounding at a high clip, you can’t find that cheap on the free agency market.

****************

Daequan Cook? I hope so

shot 35% 3FG last year, and is a career 36% 3 point shooter.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
10:26 am

“Then our only option is to Trade Marvin I think there is a trade being worked out who knows maybe Golden St. likes Marvin so much they send us Festus back in return?”

This is wishful thinking. Golden State doesn’t need a marginal starter at small forward anymore… they got Harrison Barnes who is no worse than Marvin.

“I don’t think anyone from last year’s roster will be back especially Pargo or Green.”

This is my only hope. We all know this was LD’s pick so he needs it to work out so he doesn’t look like a fool. Since he duplicates Pargo and Green’s role, maybe that means the Hawks don’t bring them back. I think he might be better than either player, so that’s an upgrade as long as Pargo and Green are not on the roster.

O'Brien

June 29th, 2012
10:34 am

I can see it now. JJ2 will come in and take Marvin’s minutes in crunch time, and some will continue to make excuses for Marvin.

Mike

June 29th, 2012
10:45 am

I think Jenkins/Scott is very good value picks. Sure they are not sexy picks like PJIII but they are decent picks that is going to get the job done. Besides the Hawks biggest battle starts now, What are we going to do about the 6 signed that we have. Do we trade Josh/Al. Do we animesty/trade Marvin or JJ, What about Zaza and Teague. What about Ivan Johsnson. Plus we need to get 7 more players.

This is a good start and Jenkins form reminds me of Ray Allen form and that is a good compansion

O'Brien

June 29th, 2012
10:52 am

From hoopshype; Ainge reveals Sullinger has a herniated disc:” Our medical staff thinks that short-term and long-term there may be some maintenance issues..

doc,

My only issue with the Mike Scott pick is if we re-sign Ivan to backup Josh, when will Mike Scott play? In blowout games, or if Ivan gets in foul trouble?

O'Brien

June 29th, 2012
10:54 am

Mike,

Good point. How far the Hawks go this season is not very dependent on Mike and JJ2. More than likely, it will depend mostly on the 6 players currently signed.

what the heck was that?

June 29th, 2012
10:58 am

with the Hawks playoff series loss, where they were dominated in the paint and on the inside, they addressed this by drafting a shooting guard.

now they will subsequently tell us why this is a good pick, then tell us that they’re going to jack up the prices so we can come watch them play. we need inside presence for the likes of Howard and Lopez. nope. makes too much sense. lets draft a SG when Arnette Moultrie and Perry Jones, both NBA ready PF/C players were still available.

FireLD!

June 29th, 2012
11:04 am

Sometimes in college you do what the team needs not necessarily all that you can. My biggest concern with Jenkins was could he create his own shot. Youtube his high school highlights, I know it’s high school but 42 pts a game is 42 pts a game, not to mention he lead the conference in scoring and they beat Kentucky last year. He also has a 38 inch vert. To be honest Brad beal was more hyped, but not better in my opinion.

doc

June 29th, 2012
11:04 am

O’b Ivan isn’t on our team yet nor has it been decided he would get the call back by posting listed above.

Again if Jenkins replaces Heinrich in some form then he is a winner. Heinrich wasn’t handling the ball well last year and fell of the mark as a shooter so maybe this pick will make the hi rich haters happy. I hope he is better than green or paragon from the get go.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
11:06 am

“I just think that you can go find shooters just as good or better than Jenkins in free agency. Can he really shoot much better than D. Cook? But Moultrie rebounding at a high clip, you can’t find that cheap on the free agency market.”

Ra’mon you are correct. You can go find a shooter. You can sign one for the minimum. Shooters are a dime a dozen. Bandon Rush, Ray Allen, James Jones, Anthony Morrow, Mike Miller, Wille Green, Matt Bonner, Daniel Gibson, Roger Mason Jr, JJ Reddick, Gary Neal…………. Most of these guys have some size on them. I have seen Jenkins play a couple of times. He is a shooter, but thats it. Not a good defender, does not get to the line, not explaosive, and his handles are shaky. So my question is when is the last time you have seen the Hawks run players off screens to get open jump shots. Jamal Crawford, Willie Green, Pargo, Hinrich, and even Marvin(sometimes) are able to knock down open jumpers at a high clip. Hell Wille Green shot 44% from 3 point land during the regular season, so why spend a first round pick that you have to give a 2 year contract on a guy who is undersized to play the 2, and cant handle well enough to play the 1? You would still be able to sign a guy like this in free agency for the minimum. Typical Hawks move. Hell if you needed a shooter that bad, go fins Jason Kapono, I think he is out of work. Not bashing the player John Jenkins, but the Hawks needed a big or a guy to replace Marvin in the starting lineup more than they needed a undersized (2 guard) shooter.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
11:12 am

“My only issue with the Mike Scott pick is if we re-sign Ivan to backup Josh, when will Mike Scott play? In blowout games, or if Ivan gets in foul trouble?”

It means Ivan is gone. The one guy on the team that played with toughness, and scared everyone except Zaza is gone. I think he a Drew had problems anyway after the season started. We got more ‘NICE GUYS”. Don’t know much about Scott, but it hard for me to believe that is is more NBA ready than Ivan. Maybe it is a money thing.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
11:21 am

“I wonder what Grandmaster Jeje (GM) and Rod From College Park gots to say about the draft.”

Not impressed Clyde. Not impressed. We have seen this before. Salim, Ed Gray, Rodney Monroe. Undersized 2 guards who can shoot. Being a shooter means nothing if you dont run plays to get shooters open.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
11:23 am

LD said Jenkins shot light out when they worked him out. Where have I heard that before (Marvin). Wonder did they have anyone guarding him?

JD Swampfox

June 29th, 2012
11:32 am

Love the Jenkins pick. The kid is a gamer. Saw him play several games at Vandy; he’s shoots lights out. Reminds me of Reggie Miller and Ray Allen with his release. His game will open up things down low for Josh and Al. Plus he’s a gym rat, works his butt off, strong family guy with family in Atlanta. A good, hard working kid who can score tons. Let’s give him and the team a chance. Go Hawks!

SteveW

June 29th, 2012
11:32 am

It’s like the Hawks were using NBAdraft.net to make their selections. Jenkins was rated 24 with them, and Scott 40.

Jenkins it likens to Dell Curry and JJ Reddick – I can live with that, especially Curry. He was a favorite player of mine.

Scott it had no NBA comparison, meaning they don’t think he’s going to make it….

I don’t like NBADraft.net’s rankings – it had Derrick Williams #1 and Irving #3 last season. It hit on Kawhi Leonard – had him at #13.

Had Faried at #22

I do like their graphic on strength’s and weaknesses however.

The conclusion on both Jenkins and Scott according to NBADraft.net? Both are 8’s as far as being ready to play right now – and both are 6’s as far as future potential goes.

Jenkins is only 21 I think – turns 22 in March – so at least we got another young player.

You Should Stop Posting

June 29th, 2012
11:34 am

Scott is a pf not a sf people.

A few others have made the same point I was making last night. The Hawks couuld have gotten a shooter later in the draft. I still think Lamb can do what Jenkins does but is a better ball handler.Lamb went at 42 we took Jenkins at 23. I hope Jenkins turns out to be a good player but I still would have preferred Jones or Moultrie.

Jaded Hawks Fan

June 29th, 2012
11:34 am

That’s the key, Rod. I’ve seen a lot of great college shooters who could barely get a shot off in the NBA. The level of defensive intensity is on another level compared to college. No doubt Jenkins can shoot, but is he athletic enough to create his own shot? I have my doubts.

He looks to me like a pure spot-up shooter, a one-trick pony. I hope I’m wrong.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
11:34 am

Jenkins shot well throughout his 3-year college career. And Jenkins bbrings an NBA ready skill set needed in the NBA. It does NOT preclude the Hawks from signing a FA that pushes Marvin to the bench. They could sign Matt Barnes to a cheap deal and do that. I hope we keep Ivan. They could send Scott to the D-League while they sort through the Josh issue.

You Should Stop Posting

June 29th, 2012
11:35 am

And I think some of you are forgetting how good Ray Allen was coming out of Uconn. Jenkins can shoot but his overall game is not even close to what Ray’s was coming out of college

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
11:37 am

So I assume most of the people here that think John Jenkins was a great pick assume he will shoot a higher percentage from 3 than Willie Green did (44%).

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
11:39 am

Look Folks;
*[PJ III and his meniscus problem]
meniscus is code word for ” Lazy “.
same for Moultrie.

That is -why- they dropped.
____________________________________________

For those saying this was LD`s draft:

That is the most ” Goofy ” statement I`ve read on this blog
-today-.
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Finally:

I still cannot believe I did not check out Mike Scott:
San Antone was trying to trade up to get him !

This kid is a * Steal * !!!
He is as near Andrew Nicholson as one could get.

Slimjr … I hope you`re reading

He is not as long / but / very similar to our Guy A. N.

*Crafty in the Post
*Not particularly athletic
*Undersized [4]
*High B-ball IQ
*-and- Oh can he ever Shoot !

**Danny Ferry is the Man / old yawl it was a Deep Draft
____________________________________________

Anybody thinks JJenkins can`t play ask the UGA folks;
I think he hit 17 three ptrs every time he played the DAWGS.

SteveW

June 29th, 2012
11:40 am

Stupid if we don’t re-up Ivan.

Very unexcited about this draft. The only plus I see is that Jenkins was the focal point of the Vandy offense the past 2 years, so he had alot of focus placed on him, and still found a way to score.

I think he’ll be an ok pro. And at 6-4 212 – he’s not very undersized as a SG – and with his shoulders, he’ll probably end up around 225.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
11:41 am

“When he’s on the court he will make shots and make it almost make it a four-on-five games because you can’t leave him.”

Same can be said on defense, not in a good way.

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
11:43 am

*[old] yawl it was a Deep Draft

should have said

* [ told ] … yawl it was a Deep Draft ……………………..

The Real cp

June 29th, 2012
11:45 am

I actually like Scott. The dude can play but sometimes he relies too much on that jumper.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
11:47 am

“Reminds me of Reggie Miller and Ray Allen with his release.”

Glad you said with his release. Ray Allen and Miller were scorers and shooters. Jenkins is just a shooter. Allen and Miller were much better players than Jenkins and were bigger.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 29th, 2012
11:48 am

If Jenkins turns into JJ Redick, I could live with that most years at pick #23. In a draft this deep, though, you gotta wonder whether someone the Hawks passed up will turn out to be better. I am not enamored with PJ3 or Wroten, but someone else who got taken after Jenkins could surely turn out to be a viable starter (which I don’t think Jenkins will be).

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
11:48 am

“LD said Jenkins shot light out when they worked him out. Where have I heard that before (Marvin). Wonder did they have anyone guarding him?”

No further comment.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
11:49 am

“Anybody thinks JJenkins can`t play ask the UGA folks;
I think he hit 17 three ptrs every time he played the DAWGS.”

Not saying much.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
11:49 am

“someone else who got taken after Jenkins could surely turn out to be a viable starter”

Ezili, possibly teague. PJ3 could turn into an all star.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 29th, 2012
11:51 am

“Is Jenkins bigger and better than Heinrich at two? If so that is huge for this team and a scenario I could be real happy about. We should compare him more to that than green or reddick who turned out pretty good as I had doubts about him thinking he was a great white hope dookie type.”

I am not a fan of (the current version of) Kirk but Jenkins (from what I have seen) is nowhere near the defender Kirk is now, let alone what Kirk was in his prime (when he was a good all around player).

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
11:51 am

“I actually like Scott. The dude can play but sometimes he relies too much on that jumper.”

Perfect fit for the Hawks. That describes our whole team, except for Teague. Live by the jumper, die by the jumper.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
11:56 am

I agree with Najeh. Getting a Reddick type player at 23 making around $2M for the next 3 years would be a very good pick. Especially if he is able to help the team by the All-Star game of his first year. Willie Green may have had a career year shooting the 3 last year, I would not expect that to happen moving forward.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 29th, 2012
11:56 am

It’s funny, in 2010 Sund identified his guy and traded down from #24 to get him and picked up a second rounder for his trouble. We vilified him (rightfully so) for then selling the 2nd rounder for cash, but moving down and still getting his man was a savvy move. I’d probably feel better about Jenkins if the Hawks had moved down and got him, and you gotta think some team below them was eyeing Perry Jones and might have gotten scared that he would be off the board by the time they picked. Pretty weak of Ferry to not be able to pull that off.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 29th, 2012
11:59 am

In any event, what Ferry does in free agency and with this “core” will say a lot more about him than this pick in my opinion. Picks this low are trade assets as much as they are players. Even if Jenkins isn’t the best player available at #23, if he turns into a viable contributor early in his career, that may in itself justify the pick because he can be used in a potential trade. Maybe, for example, Jenkins starts off his career hot and Ferry manages to package him with Joe in a cap-clearing move.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
11:59 am

Funny, it’s like “if any single player of the 37 picked after Jenkins is better than Jenkins, then the Jenkins pick is a bad one”. That is silly.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
12:05 pm

Jaded Hawks Fan
June 29th, 2012
11:34 am

Not saying that he will be good, but look it up on Youtube and you’ll see that during his freshman season, he was strictly a catch and shoot, then the highlights of his Sophomore season are mostly with him pulling up and even some plays of him going to the rack.

Kingyon

June 29th, 2012
12:07 pm

You people must not watch every game if its any body that should be traded its no don’t Joe Johnson 18 pts a game and he’s making more money than Lebron d wade and other elite player i say call Memphis and offer Joe for Rudy gay and oj mayo er get younger and better and if send Marvin Palin to to say anythang about trading smoove I’d stupid he is tha team you build around him and Al and why er hire Danny ferry whaand note tha hawks Erroll do something stopping again like trade him like they did Dominiquet had he ever fine as a GM o thas right never got a quality player for Lebron to play wit josh Smith carried tha team all year was snubbed on tha star game

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:07 pm

Sekou has a good article up on Ferry and the draft process, and what happens next. Said he wants a team that defends, shares the ball, and can shoot. Said these were Sunds picks (basedscout’sanalyss analysis), but it sounds like he agreed with the picks.

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
12:08 pm

Quit worrying about positions:

Mike Scott is a Basketball Player
-while-
JJenkins is a Specialist … who in time could become much more.
____________________________________________

Positions are relative:
Mike Scott can defend the pick and roll.
Mike Scott can defend the post.
exp. Melo is a post up [3]
Mike Scott could defend Melo as well as anybody.
-meaning- at least he could slow him down in the post
*[no one actually stops Melo]
Final note on Scott:
He`s better than Marvin – Today, Yesterday, or Tommorow !

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:09 pm

Should say “based on his scouts’ analysis”.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
12:11 pm

Grandad:

“Final note on Scott:
He`s better than Marvin – Today, Yesterday, or Tommorow !”

Unfortunately, that is not saying much… but on the upside, it good enough for a second round pick to be considered positive!

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
12:13 pm

I do not care what Mr Ferry says; nor am I disputing his integrity:

Mike Scott was a [classic] San Antonio Spurs choice.

The Real cp

June 29th, 2012
12:16 pm

lol yea Rod pretty much. Scott can play though. I forgot what game it was but the game announcer (Len Elmore) was really getting on Scott because he was settling for the jumper although he had a clear mismatch in the post. I thought Gordon would have been a good pick because he is such a good rebounder or even Darius Miller but im not mad at the Scott pick.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
12:17 pm

Ferry should run for Congress:

““This was unique,” Ferry said. “I’ve been here a few days and was not part of the initial preparation that they had. I threw myself into what they were doing and really just tried to observe and participate, when appropriate, ask good questions and let the process play out. I thought the scouts that [his predecessor] Rick [Sund] was organizing did a nice job of doing their work and walking into the Draft with their decisions made and ready to go.”

Way to detach himself from the draft :-D but at the same time leaving space to pick part of the laurels if things go well… :-D

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:18 pm

On nba.com, there’s a video (one of three) of LD talking about that day’s workouts (a day that included Andrew Nicholson), and LD just goes on and on about Scott’s mid-range game.

vava74

June 29th, 2012
12:19 pm

Beautiful sentences on Scott, in particular the last one!!:

“Again, Mike Scott, when we were picking, was a good value for us being able to score, rebound and having proved himself at the highest level in college.”

“You want guys with fiber.”

“And clearly Jenkins has that, he’ll come in and compete every game.”

“I talked to him and he said he was going to the gym and shoot just to celebrate. A guy that loves to hoop is always good to have on your team.”

terrell

June 29th, 2012
12:19 pm

Calm down Rod. We had the 23rd pick, not the 3rd pick. lol. I’lL take Jenkins over Willie Green anyday. And Scott was a decent pick. Not all bad guys. No where near the curse of 2005.(Marv) Btw, werent you one of the people on here saying JC2 would be a future Allstar in this league?? Heck, Washington’s already replacing his azz. lol

hawks_4_life

June 29th, 2012
12:20 pm

Vava but its true, when you consider the guy was hired only a few days ago.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:23 pm

Scott remind me a lot of Al Harrington.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:25 pm

SMH at people trying to justify our picks last night.

In the NBA you have to be able to do more than just jack up 3’s.

In the NBA if your a power forward you have to be tall enough to get you shot off.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:28 pm

Worldwide Clyde….looks like Scott has developed a nice fade away to help him get his shot off against taller players.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:29 pm

“Sekou has a good article up on Ferry and the draft process, and what happens next. Said he wants a team that defends, shares the ball, and can shoot. Said these were Sunds picks (basedscout’sanalyss analysis), but it sounds like he agreed with the picks.”

How many “Sund’s Picks” have worked in the NBA?

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:30 pm

Just Joe
June 29th, 2012
12:28 pm

Worldwide Clyde….looks like Scott has developed a nice fade away to help him get his shot off against taller players.

lmbao

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:32 pm

Laugh all you want, this guy can play a role off the bench.

hawksfancents95

June 29th, 2012
12:35 pm

after harping all night on these picks ive concluded a grade of C is appropriate for our draft. i think john jenkins was larry drews pick and LD influenced this pick. Jenkins seems to have the righ mindset and if he can shoot over 40% from thre and play 5-15 minutes a night then he is a better willie green. i really would of liked to see PJ3 in the hawks uni especially since he was projected in the top 13 but if his meniscus is really that risky im ok with passing on him.
mike scott is the pick i really dont care for. even if we dont resign ivan there are some big guys we could insert at the backup PF spot, why do the hawks continue to draft 6′8 PFs? i thought darius miller was the guy to get to backup marvin at the three and play good fundamental basketball and good perimeter D.
we really need to make a trade and sign some key free agents because a bench of zaza john jenkins mike scott does not sound very reliable.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:36 pm

With no center and no real post up players I guess the Hawks are going to rely heavily on the 3 ball this season. Teague and sometimes Jsmoove are the only ones that can take their man off the dribble.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:39 pm

Just Joe
June 29th, 2012
12:32 pm

Laugh all you want, this guy can play a role off the bench.

On offense all he is going to do is stand on the perimeter and shoot jumpers because he won’t be able to finish in traffic. On defense all people are going to do is shot right over him.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:41 pm

I think the Hawks are definitely moving toward a team that depends on 3-pt shooting. Moved from 17 attempts per game in 10/11 to 20 attempts per game in 11/12. Spurs usually attempt 21 or more per game. I think LD and Ferry both want things to move that way.

Jaded Hawks Fan

June 29th, 2012
12:42 pm

I agree Jenkins can play a role, but Perry Jones III is the kind of guy who, if he fully committed himself to the game, could elevate your franchise. He’s 6′11 with superior athletic ability. That’s the kind of guy you win with in today’s NBA.

Jenkins would not have been a bad pick in a vacuum. In fact, he’s probably better than what you’d normally be able to get at 23 in most drafts. But context is everything. Jones would have given us a lot more flexibility in trade discussions involving Josh Smith, and he carries star potential. A guy like that is almost NEVER available at 23. That’s why I see Jenkins as a disappointing pick.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:42 pm

Why are the Hawks dragging their feet on Big Ivan? They don’t appreciate talent.

hawksfancents95

June 29th, 2012
12:42 pm

and if sund made these picks it really knocks Danny Ferry down in my book, how do you let the guy YOU just replaced to stay in there and make the selections YOU have been hired to select? it makes zero sense to keep rick sund on as even a part-time member of this organization. move on asg and DF, you dont have to be so overly courtious to a guy that was here only 4 years and made maybe one good pick(teague). our whole draft thinking is pre-historic, the draft is how you progress your franchise and move forward, we just went lateral in the draft AGAIN.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:44 pm

Sund has a very bad history with the draft.

lewis

June 29th, 2012
12:44 pm

Anyone who says J Jenkins can’t “score” didn’t watch him play in college. He wasn’t really asked to get into the lane all that much, but dude is a scorer – give him a chance.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:47 pm

Worldwide Clyde, I think your assessment of Scott is pretty close, but guys like Brandon Bass and Al Harrington (similar games) still find ways to score and impact a game.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:49 pm

Just Joe
June 29th, 2012
12:41 pm

I think the Hawks are definitely moving toward a team that depends on 3-pt shooting. Moved from 17 attempts per game in 10/11 to 20 attempts per game in 11/12. Spurs usually attempt 21 or more per game. I think LD and Ferry both want things to move that way.

That’s the problem. When your jump shot is off what do you have to fall back on. You can’t depend on the jump shot in the NBA. Dunks and layups have a higher percentage of success.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
12:51 pm

Last year how many times did we see the Hawks fall in love with the jump shot and end up getting beat.

Just Joe

June 29th, 2012
12:52 pm

I guess LD and Ferry say, don’t quit shooting, just get better shooters.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
12:56 pm

“We should compare him more to that than green or reddick who turned out pretty good as I had doubts about him thinking he was a great white hope dookie type.”

Green turned out pretty good? He’s one of the worst players in the NBA. Please stop posting.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:00 pm

Brandon Bass and Al Harrington have bounced from one to another because they are one dimensional.

When Al Harrington was here all he wanted to do was score. The problem is he wasn’t consistent. Then on the defensive he let folks just walk right past him. Instead of trying to block a shot he hacked at the ball.

Brandon Bass had a good run against but in the Miami series his shot was broke for the most part. When his shot wasn’t falling he had nothing else to fall back on to contribute to the team.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:01 pm

“Even if Jenkins isn’t the best player available at #23, if he turns into a viable contributor early in his career, that may in itself justify the pick.”

If Jenkins cracks the top 10 for the Hawks, I will eat my words. If he ends up being 11th-15th in our rotation, that’s no better than Green or Pargo, so he wasn’t worth the pick. This pick will always be judged on how Jenkins’ career compares to that of those who were picked after him. If Ezeli has a career like Zaza and Jenkins has a career like Willie Green, this will have been a disastrous pick.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
1:01 pm

“Calm down Rod. We had the 23rd pick, not the 3rd pick. lol. I’lL take Jenkins over Willie Green anyday. And Scott was a decent pick. Not all bad guys. No where near the curse of 2005.(Marv) Btw, werent you one of the people on here saying JC2 would be a future Allstar in this league?? Heck, Washington’s already replacing his azz. lol”

I’ll take a wild guess and say that John Jenkins won’t shoot 44% from 3 point land this year. He does not play defense, and can’t handle the rock, so what makes you so confident that he is better than Willie Green? Green is a vet who knows what it takes to play in the NBA. Never said anything about JC2. I was a JC1 supporter, but never saw enough of JC2 here to have an opinion on him.

ShoNuff07

June 29th, 2012
1:02 pm

Wow guys…do you guys want some cheese with all of that “Thunderbird Wine” you are crying in this forum?!?!?!?!? The Hawks need some young shooters, not depending on aging players like T-Mac, Stackhouse, Willie Green, Radmanović. Ok, even I wouldn’t have mind the Hawks grabbing PJ3 after falling into our laps, but RIGHT NOW we need some younger shooters like Jenkins that will spread the court to allow Teague and “ISO” JJ room to penetrate to the basket…hopefully allowing J-Smoove to cut to the basket for easier shots. Now normally the Hawks don’t put in time to develop their young players, which is why J-Smooth at times displays bad habits, Marvin Williams not developed into a more solid player, and a philosophy to not play younger players in the beginning that set back Teague one season. But I thought I read and heard that one of Ferry’s desire is to ensure the Hawks develop their younger player…like the Spurs do year in and year out. I am sick and tired of the Hawks getting to the playoffs and folding as well, but can we give this selection a little time?

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:03 pm

“Funny, it’s like “if any single player of the 37 picked after Jenkins is better than Jenkins, then the Jenkins pick is a bad one”. That is silly.”

Picking an undersized, volume-shooting, defensively challenged two guard who can’t dribble, pass or get to the free throw line when those are a dime a dozen is silly. Passing on a potential starting center or legit backup pf or a possibly third guard in your rotation (Teague) is silly.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
1:05 pm

“Green turned out pretty good? He’s one of the worst players in the NBA. Please stop posting.”

While I’m not a big Willie Green fan, the guy is solid. He was one of the better 3 point shooters in the league this year, and he was responsible for winning a couple of games fro us this year. If John Jenkins ends up being close to the player Wille Green is the Hawks should be happy. That’s part of the problem. You can find guys like that anywhere, just like we found Willie Green. You try to fill needs at that spot, no pick Specialty players.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:05 pm

“Said he wants a team that defends, shares the ball, and can shoot.”

One out of three, not bad.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
1:06 pm

“Picking an undersized, volume-shooting, defensively challenged two guard who can’t dribble, pass or get to the free throw line when those are a dime a dozen is silly. Passing on a potential starting center or legit backup pf or a possibly third guard in your rotation (Teague) is silly.”

We finally agree.

Marcus

June 29th, 2012
1:07 pm

For what its worth …. the mock by NBA.com’s David Aldridge had J. Jenkins going to ORL @ 19.
He nailed Sullinger for BOS, but predicted SF Jeff Taylor for BOS other 1st round selection, dropping Melo to us …..

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
1:08 pm

What’s with this young shooters nonsense. A shooter is a shooter. Young or old. I actually would prefer and old shooter, because he knows what it takes to be a shotter in the NBA. I would take James Jones over this guy in a hearbeat.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:11 pm

“Way to detach himself from the draft :-D but at the same time leaving space to pick part of the laurels if things go well.”

Wow pre draft Ferry says the pick is on him, now he establishes deniability? He really is a perfect fit for the ASG… this guy sets up his excuses like an absolute pro.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:13 pm

“I’ll take Jenkins over Willie Green anyday.”

I’ll take Jenkins over Willie Green, as long as Jenkins’ arrival means that Pargo and Green are no longer on the roster. If they retain Pargo and Green, what was the point of taking Jenkins? So they can bring him along slowly while seasoned defensively-challenged volume shooters continue to shoot the Hawks out of playoff games?

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 29th, 2012
1:14 pm

The safe pick last night at 23 was Wroten. The “sexy” pick was PJ3. The makes no sense pick was John Jenkins.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:16 pm

“i think john jenkins was larry drews pick and LD influenced this pick.”

This is how Larry Drew evaluates his team’s offensive performance. If jump shots were falling, the offense was being run correctly. If jump shots were not falling, the players didn’t bring enough “energy.”

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:18 pm

“On defense all people are going to do is shoot right over him.”

Or go around him like Rondo vs. Pargo.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
1:18 pm

Buddy, how is he a volume-shooter? Where is that coming from?

I guess if he couldn’t dribble, shoot, stay out of foul trouble, learn his playbook or had a clear position but was tall and athletic, it would have been a better pick? Players picked after Jenkins are no more polished or NBA-ready to fill a known skill gap with the Hawks. You all are projecting goodness on your preferred pick and projecting badness on Jenkins, as opposed to recognizing that at #23, every player available comes with some learning curve and developmental needs (some greater than others). If you want to project goodness on your guy based on nothing other than bias, project goodness of Jenkins based on nothing other than he is wearing a Hawks uni.

Rod, you didn’t see ennough of JC2 to form an opinion but you already have one about Jenkins?

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:19 pm

Jaded Hawks Fan

June 29th, 2012
12:42 pm

co-sign

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:22 pm

“If you want to project goodness on your guy based on nothing other than bias, project goodness of Jenkins based on nothing other than he is wearing a Hawks uni.”

I’m hoping Jenkins proves me wrong. But if he turns out to be Willie Green, we already have Willie Green. What we don’t have is a defensive center who physically dominated the #1 pick in the SEC championship game (Ezeli).

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
1:23 pm

Buddy, out of curiosity, identify other “volume shooters” just so I can understand your definition of that term.

Marcus

June 29th, 2012
1:25 pm

sidenote No. 2: Whoever that was in the blue dress (hope she isn’t a devil) next to Evan Fournier …. is a 1st rounder as well.

dc

June 29th, 2012
1:30 pm

yall are losers… 1. larry drew wanted john jenkins.. he wanted someone who could space the floor. yes the hawks shoot alot of jumpshots BUT they HAVE NO REAL SHOOTERS aka reggie ray allen…now you YOU actually have one in john jenkins…. spot up shooters.. did yall not see chalmers and mike miller…. its a good pick.

as far as perry goes. why take a kid with a superstar skillset., thats soft, lamar odom personality and put him on the hawks. perry jones is another joe johnson/ marin williams

drmaryb.(""_*).

June 29th, 2012
1:31 pm

from reading all the comments here today, Scoot sound like our Udonis Haslem. A stretch four?

dc

June 29th, 2012
1:33 pm

jordan crawford was a scorer… not a shooter… 1 check his stats.. sub 40%
shooter shoot 40+ from three…
jenkins will help.

hawks_4_life

June 29th, 2012
1:35 pm

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Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:39 pm

“Why are the Hawks dragging their feet on Big Ivan?”

LD is trying to prove himself as a hc. He doesn’t need rookies taking over huddles and calling guys out for effort, even if that’s exactly what they want to hear. I think Ivan is gone.

“They don’t appreciate talent.”

LD wouldn’t know talent if it slapped him in the face.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:42 pm

“You can’t depend on the jump shot in the NBA. Dunks and layups have a higher percentage of success.”

So you draft a slow-footed guy who will jack up threes on one end and give up layups on the other end. Great draft strategy.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
1:43 pm

Isn’t Wilie Green free to sign a contract with 29 other teams? Why do I keep hearing that we only have 6 players signed and yet some of y’all talk about all these other guys “we have”. And who said his comp is Willie Green anyway, another blogger who watched a few YouTube videos (at best)?

Since “if” is the two-letter word to justify any person’s preferred pick, I’ll use it to say “what if Jenkins becomes Ben Gordon (at ~$2M/year for 4 years)?”

Ra'mon

June 29th, 2012
1:44 pm

I don’t mind the Scott pick. Especially if you’re not going to bring back Ivan for whatever reason. But I just feel at the #23 you could have either trade back to get Jenkins, or taken someone who can contribute on two out of the four parts a game (offense, defense, rebounding, leadership). I feel Scott can contribute on two of those. And Jenkins only contributes with one of those. The question is, when Jenkins shot isn’t falling. What will he be able to do? Even with a guy like Moultrie or Taylor, they can rebound and defend, so if they aren’t scoring, they’re still impacting the game. You can get a special shooter out of the bargain bin anytime you want for vet minimum.

Astro Joe

June 29th, 2012
1:45 pm

What “if” Ezeli becomes Solomon Alabi?

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:46 pm

*need to hear…. it’s certainly not what the Hawks want to hear.

terrell

June 29th, 2012
1:47 pm

Buddy, Jenkins over Green means Green’s a goner.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:47 pm

“What “if” Ezeli becomes Solomon Alabi?”

Then I’m wrong, and I’ll come back on this board and say I was wrong. Not too worried about that happening. I am worried that my squad picked up a marginal second round talent when several rotation players were available.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
1:49 pm

“Buddy, Jenkins over Green means Green’s a goner.”

As long as Green and Pargo are not on the roster on opening night, I’m ok with the pick. It indirectly creates addition by subtraction and improves the roster, not by addition of talent, but by subtraction of non-talent.

Ra'mon

June 29th, 2012
1:52 pm

AJ, at best, Jenkins becomes Kevin Martin. At worst, Jenkins becomes Salim Stoudemire. When speaking of a shooter, it is so hard to determine which he will become. I mean can he REALLY shoot better than Morrison or Salim? I don’t know the guy. Also how is his mid-range?

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
1:59 pm

I don`t think Danny Ferry is practicing “deniable plausibility”;
personally, I just think he`s givin` LD + Sund an opportunity
to fade into the sunset with dignity.

Which is how a class organization does business.

Ra'mon

June 29th, 2012
2:02 pm

You guys act as if Pargo and Green didn’t win the Hawks at least 5-6 games this season. Look at the Hawks stats when Joe was injured. Green and Pargo both came up big on VET MINIMUM contracts. Guess what, you can’t get that many decent bigs at Vet Minimum. Anyone who wouldn’t rather have Pargo or Willie Green over Josh Powell, Collins, Dampier, Randolph Morris, Sloan, and Royal Ivey, are seriously influenced by some type of narcotics. Pargo AND Green was better than Kirk, who was making 7x as much as either.

JHawks

June 29th, 2012
2:02 pm

What do you all think of Atlanta signing Ian Mahinmi, he’s an unrestricted free agent this year. He was drafted by the Spurs and played with the Mavericks since 2010. I think he could be our starting center and move Horford to power forward.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
2:04 pm

“While I’m not a big Willie Green fan, the guy is solid. He was one of the better 3 point shooters in the league this year.”

25% on threes in the playoffs, -40 in just 5 playoff games. The Hawks lost to Boston in no small part because Willie Green played more minutes than Ivan Johnson. That’s your definition of solid? -40 for the playoffs?

STRETCH

June 29th, 2012
2:07 pm

JHawks,

I would make that move if i were Ferry and Drew. Seems like a good fit.

Stuart

June 29th, 2012
2:32 pm

The NBA draft usually is B-O-R-I-N-G after the first five or so picks. Every 19-yerar-old thinks he can be a stud and comes out and the second round is spent on Girgio Frankolitto Gugachopffski from Outer Chekosmongolivia who won’t see a minute on an NBA court for at least two years. The Hawks filled a need in the first and took a flyer in the second. If I werre the Hawks I would draft next year. Wait for the free agency period to start and fill the roster there.

SMH

June 29th, 2012
2:33 pm

Reason why Ivan is coming back is because there has been issues in the locker room, and his temper. I can understand teammates not liking him and he can totally disrupt team chemistry, but he has to be the toughest guy the Hawks have had since Rasheed Wallace. Just saying.

hawks_4_life

June 29th, 2012
2:34 pm

Teams have been calling the Atlanta Hawks all week to register trade interest in swingman Josh Smith, according to sources close to the situation.

And one of those teams, sources said, is the Orlando Magic, who know that Smith ranks as one of Dwight Howard’s closest friends.

But new Hawks general manager Danny Ferry apparently isn’t ready to part with Smith right away.

Boston, Houston and the Los Angeles Lakers — with Pau Gasol as the prime piece being offered in L.A.’s case — have joined Orlando this week in making their interest in Smith known.

Yet as Ferry settles into the job, sources say he wants to take stock of things before deciding if he’s prepared to go into next season without Smith, who is entering the final year of his contract at $13.2 million and has let it be known for some time that he’d welcome a trade.

SMH

June 29th, 2012
2:34 pm

Marcus

June 29th, 2012
2:39 pm

For what its worth:
Per USA Today – 2012 NBA Draft grades:

23. Atlanta Hawks: Vanderbilt guard John Jenkins

Jenkins is the best shooter in the draft, and the Hawks can use his presence. This pick is one of the draft’s safest, and Jenkins has a lot of the same skills as No. 3 pick Beal, but he’s not as athletic. Jenkins can step right in and be a key role player off the bench. Grade: A-

Najeh Davenpoop

June 29th, 2012
2:41 pm

” the second round is spent on Girgio Frankolitto Gugachopffski from Outer Chekosmongolivia ”

Is that anywhere near Ubeki-beki-beki-bekistan?

Ray

June 29th, 2012
2:42 pm

Just like everyone had been saying all along.

This is Larry Drew’s and Rick Sunds last draft together Danny Ferry hasn’t had enough time to get here and scope things out I mean he’s only been here now what 1 week.

He doesn’t understand what problems we got like the Marvin Williams problem or Joe Johnson problem.

He probably realizes stuff like Josh and Horford are two pieces we should build around by now.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 29th, 2012
2:42 pm

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Free agent Brad Wanamaker will play for the Atlanta Hawks’ summer league team, according to source.
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They already tried Wanamaker last year (I wasn’t impressed) and Caracter got cut by the Lakers after being drafted in the second round a couple of years ago.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
2:42 pm

“25% on threes in the playoffs, -40 in just 5 playoff games. The Hawks lost to Boston in no small part because Willie Green played more minutes than Ivan Johnson. That’s your definition of solid? -40 for the playoffs?”

I agree he did not step up in the playoffs. I was one of the only bloggers who said that Pargo and Willie Green would stuggle in the playoffs all year. But, for the vet minimum Wille Green and Pargo we both solid. Matter of fact they were more than solid. Willie Green was the in the top 10 in 3 point shooting in the league last year. Willie Green and Pargo>Hinrich las year at almost 6 million dollars less. This guy we drafted Jenkins is not a better NBA player than Willie Green is right now. He might be a better shooter, but that is it.

Grandad

June 29th, 2012
2:43 pm

The Hawks are not becoming a Jump-Shooting team.

Watch the Transformation that is taking place before your eyes.

‘`Balance`’

Just as a fb team runs the ball to set up the pass

A basketball team once upon a time went inside out.

In the post modern NBA [speed] with a dearth of Bigs;
teams are utilizing the [very valuable] 3 pt shot;
to set up the `Inside’ game.
All the while maintaining balance.
I`ve been saying positions are relative and players are [just that]
“basketball players” for a long time now.

Shot makers are valuable to set up the post game.
* [remember balance]

** Shot makers come in all shapes and sizes

Look for Josh … (if ferry keeps him)
to become a `low post scorer / and a mid range catch & shoot / …
shot fake-slasher ! … ***note – mid-range:
***16 ft and in
***high post [passer / post feeder]
***screener / cutter
***rhythm shooter
***screen & Roll guy

But more importantly:
Josh will have to learn that he is to become the LBJ stopper !

Before it was the D.Howard defender in the East
-Now-
That has all changed:
every team must have the anti-LeBron s e r u m.
____________________________________________

G-dad the school teacher

Sorry, I spent my entire adult life as an educator,
I cannot help myself, and I`m not trying to be all high and mighty.
Neither am I trying to patronize the most educated, well versed,
community of bloggers on the planet.
I`m just an affable old Coach who has attained
some experience along the way.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
2:47 pm

“While I’m not a big Willie Green fan, the guy is solid. He was one of the better 3 point shooters in the league this year.”

Solid? He shot 25% on threes in the playoffs and was -40 in just 63 minutes over 5 games. That means the Hawks give up almost a point per minute that he has played in playoff games. The Hawks lost largely because of the minutes LD gave to Green and Pargo, two certified scrubs who proved it in the playoffs. If Jenkins is no better than Green, he’s an absolute bust.

Ray

June 29th, 2012
2:50 pm

Again the bottom line is nothing is wrong with the picks it’s the fact that we reach to get John Jenkins especially when most people picked him to go sometime 2nd round.

The fact that Jeff Taylor was still available also made my blood boil a little though he was better than Jenkins.

Ray

June 29th, 2012
2:52 pm

@ Buddy G

That seems to be more of a problem with coaching. This is why we need a quality coach we honestly got worse hiring L.D.

Buddy Grizzard

June 29th, 2012
2:52 pm

Whoops double post.

Ken Strickland

June 29th, 2012
3:05 pm

I would think the time for the COULDA, WOULDA, SHOULDA had crap wpuld be over by now, but I guess some of you just can’t deal with reality. After all, some of you are still whinning and crying over us not drafting CP3 or DWilliams, or the Dominique for DManning and KNorman trade.

Management has a far better idea of what they want or intend to do than any of us, and they know what they plan to do with JJ and Josh. Drafting a SG and PF with excellent shooting ability seems to indicate they plan on doing something with JJ and Josh, it’s just a matter of when and how. The Heat just won an NBA title with CBosh as their starting center. And just like AHorford, he is also considered to be a so called undersize, soft, nonphysical, jumpshooting OC.

His backup, JAnthony, can also be classified as an undersized, nonphysical, soft, but OFF limited OC. Even with a dominant OC, you must have the right players with the right skills around him. DHoward is the most dominant OC since Shaq in his prime, and even with him, the Magic can’t compete with us.

Putting the right type of players with the right skill set around Horford will only make him better, and he’s already considered the NBAs 3rd best OC. If you’re going to have a PF launching jumpers all gm, you might as well have one that’s capable of making them consistently.

I believe we should wait until FA has ended, when most trades will be made, before jumping on the totally negative bandwagon. But as usual, some of you wouldn’t have anything to say or any reason to be on these blogs if you couldn’t bitch, whine, and complain with your negative minded BS.

tyger

June 29th, 2012
3:14 pm

Post- Draft Evals:

John Jenkins – excellent fit for current, future rosters…
6′4.5 is good size for 1-2, taller than Bradley Beal….
Ball-handling is suspect, many turnovers vs. KY…

Could be Deron Williams-type hybrid guard…
Ball-handling/Passing needs improvement, but
You pass when you have someone to pass to…
He forced alot b/c his offense was relied upon…

He is “sneaky” athletic and “broad” for a guard…
Send him to Summer League as the #1 PG…
Let’s play Boston in Boston now!!!

Hawks just got much better in the backcourt…
That was the easiest way to improve this roster…
Big trades…blah, blah, blah…current team not bad…

With John Jenkins we surpass Boston in playoffs…
Go back and look at Teague’s performance Gm 6…
Replace that with some sharpshooting by Jenkins…

That’s the limitation of the “speed” game…
Yeah, you’re fast, but “we’re laying in wait”…
Block, block, block, turnover, block, airball, block….

If I were Pargo/Stackhouse I’d be concerned, but…
Thus far, status quo…Ferry mentioned 12th pick of Hou…
So that may be an indicator of something…
Hou did very well with J.Lamb, T.Jones, Royce White…

northcyde

June 29th, 2012
3:21 pm

Perry Jones is the next Stromile Swift. I’ve been trying to think of who he reminds me of, and it’s Stro Show

- great potential
- athletic as hell
- decent midrange shot
- questionable motor
- so-so rebounder
- questionable defense
- inconsistent as hell offensively
- no real go to move offensively

Stro Show

doc

June 29th, 2012
3:23 pm

Najeh,I clearly said the most recent edition of Kirk on whether Jenkins could replace Kirk. I in no way fashioned a scenario that Jenkins could be or would be the complete Kirk of say five years ago or even two years ago when i though we should trade for him as soon as the wiz chose walls. I would hope he could be what the best of kirk was hoping to be this past year, a sharp shooter. Kirk had very little game last year after he came back from surgey and a bad hammy injury. If Jenkins brings at least a reliable shot as Kirk had on his good days we are good.

Buddy before you tell me to stop posting go back and reread the post. I clearly distinguished I was referring to reddick in the second half of the statement when I made the dookie remark. I don’t remember greemn ever going there. I think Jenkins is probably better than reddick was coming out of college and is a better natural specimen. It seems he has the same drive reddick has and he has made himself into a complete player over the years by hard work. Since jenkins celebrated becoming a millionaire as a first rounder by going to shoot hoops, he might just have a similar desire to be more than one dimensional. I welcome that kind of player.

I guess what makes the blog interesting is so many self assured opinions though certainly without the up close data to support it. I say let themdecide it on the court before being so judgmental. Sure express doubts but don’t make up stuff, sounds delusional. Some of aj’s remarks in response to the what ifs and hysteric comments are seconded here especially the one where we might have missed someone later on. When doesnt that happen to the best of them and can be a blanket statement for just about every pick fron ten down at least and maybe earlier.

Let us at least get to Vegas before tearing them apart. Even that might be a bit too early before they get some pro coaching. I look back at worse drafts than this when we had earlier positions to work from. If he is Salim he is the Salim in a 6 ft 4 legit body not a 5 ft 11 one that looks more apt for the high school courts than the pros. If he is Salim in big boy body then he will be a success amd our team the better for it. That is a compliment though not meant to be one. He also won’t come with salim’s attitude.

The Real Hawk

June 29th, 2012
3:25 pm

ATLANTA HAWKS | GRADE: C

Round 1:John Jenkins (23)

Round 2:Mike Scott (43)
Analysis: With just six players under contract for next season, the Hawks needed depth at every position. While they landed arguably the draft’s best shooter and a power forward who put up big numbers in the ACC, I think they passed on players with much more upside than Jenkins.
In other words, they took the player ranked 36th on our Big Board at the 23rd pick. They reached for a need instead of the best player available. While I think both Jenkins and Scott will be solid NBA players, playing it safe only gets you a C.

ESPN

doc

June 29th, 2012
3:30 pm

Northcyde since sund picked stro maybe he learned if he was indeed in charge or maybe ferry had more input than he is willing to put put there. We dodged a bullet is my take. I kind of go with the guy ferry has class and shares the credit as a team player rather than a guy who has to have the spotlight and be the story ala say riles. Give the guy some time as he has been on the job less than five days, again clear delusion and hysteric behavior or certainly a loss of perspective and rational thought.

Rod from College Park

June 29th, 2012
3:32 pm

“Management has a far better idea of what they want or intend to do than any of us, and they know what they plan to do with JJ and Josh. Drafting a SG and PF with excellent shooting ability seems to indicate they plan on doing something with JJ and Josh, it’s just a matter of when and how. The Heat just won an NBA title with CBosh as their starting center. And just like AHorford, he is also considered to be a so called undersize, soft, nonphysical, jumpshooting OC.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is the same mangement that drafted Sheldon Williams, Marvin Williams, overpaid Joe Johnson, overpaid Marvin Williams, hired LD, gave away picks and young talent for Kirk Hinrich, Let Jamal Crawford go, Overpaid Bibby…….. Forgive me if I don’t have much confidence in them. In case you did not know it, Horford and Chris Bosh are not the same player. Bosh is much better offensive player than Horford, and much more skilled.

Michael Cunningham

June 29th, 2012
3:37 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.