Atlanta Hawks: Danny Ferry looking to trade but avoid the tax

Rod here is the answer to your question from previous blog. New guy in town to shore it up.

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dang 2nd

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“(Aside: I’ve heard some of my blog people wonder if Ferry will be “allowed” to trade Marvin Williams. Please accept that the Hawks have tried to trade Williams for at least two years and no one is biting. That shouldn’t be hard to do since you don’t want him on your team at his salary, either.)”

Thanks. Been telling half the clowns for 4 years that no other team in the league wants Marvin Williams.

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Heh heh at Phoenix.

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“Rod here is the answer to your question from previous blog. New guy in town to shore it up.”

doc, this is why the Jenkins pick is being questioned so much. You can go sign a Wille Green or any other shooter for the vet min. It is much more expensive to find a sevicable back up big, a or a starting caliber small forward.

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Let’s hope it is a trade that will make the Hawks a better team. It will also be interesting to see what is done to fill out the bench. Will Ferry bring back some of those that played last year or look to bring different players in? There is something to be said about chemistry.

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Resigning Ivan is a no brainer. Maybe he didn’t go to a good enough school for Ferry though.

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Just because they didn’t sign Ivan Johnson 5-10 mins after the season was over does NOT MEAN we will not resign him. I am very sure we will re-sign the young man prior to the Sat deadline. The Hawks Management are on their own time table…not on the fans who are only commenting from the outside and don’t have any money nor rep on the line.

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I hear you rod.

My take jenkins is better than green who is a good guy who really had a career year that may not be duplicated again. We need someone who can reliably stand on the perimeter and take the shot when they leave him open to double down on josh or jj or want to close down the interior to take away the pick and pop of Teague and Horford or make the close in look in big game situations Green had his chance with.

For more years I have said it starts with the ineptitude of gearons et all who thought they knew how to build a team. I thing levinson learned a lot about how it is done and is going to step back as well as gearons to let ferry do his job though he is hemed in. We still have to question but never get an answer on how they could throw so much at jj to keep him here and derail any chance to build a competitive team salary wise. Ultimately they will have to go over tax because of their mistakes if they are to build a team. They have themselves to blame.

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BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

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“BIG IVAN DIDN’T CRY WHEN HE WAS ASKED TO PLAY CENTER”

Our All star center, does not want to play center, because its too physical for him. LOL

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Ra’mon, I don;t know Jenkins, but when you ask “what will he do if hs shot isn;t falling?”, I think he will struggle. But how is that different than anyone else available at #23? And who is to say that he can;t learn how to improve his offense off the dribble? I just don’t understand why it seems like players with zero skills can improve but players with a few can’t.

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If you guys thought Jamal Crawford did not play defense, wait till you see Jenkins trying to guard 2 guards in the NBA. He has no chance of guarding point guards.

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Jenkins=Ben Gordon.

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“And who is to say that he can;t learn how to improve his offense off the dribble?”

Marvin has been here for many years, still can’t dribble, Horford still can’t dribble, Josh still can’t dribble. If those three guys have had no success doing so on this team, I have no confidence that John Jenkins will.

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I think the problems Ferry faces are clear. They are named Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams. They are dramatically overpaid, they are on long contracts, and they have to be moved.

Maybe if fans stopped getting mad at the ownership and started getting mad at the players who are overpaid they might have an impact. Maybe those players would want to leave. Obviously, Ferry believes they should.

Get the message, Joe? Get the message, Marvin?

Go away now.

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I agree with you on most things Rod, but Jamal was addition by subtraction. Unbelievable scoring talent – but could never seem to score within the offense. He could get his, for sure, at the expense of no one else being able to score alongside him.

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Good article, Mr. Cunningham.

My only question is why didn’t we see any trades last night that involved player movement along with pick movement? Ben Gordon, Samuel Dalembert, and Chase Budinger were the only players moved near the draft.

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Lol – I guess by “offense” i mean anything centered around ball movement – playing inside out – finding the open man – things that the hawks rarely do but have major success when they do – not 2 guards dribbling dribbling dribbling.

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if we planned on re-signing Ivan and we still drafted a 6′8 PF we deserve to be stuck in this neutral pergatory of a luxury taxed 1st round bounced team.
if we got PJ3 or Tony Wroten we would be a top 3 in the east team no doubt, but now we will be in the 4-7 seed.
also idk how anyone can claim anyone but josh as the best player on our team. he does everything and gets no credit, when hes great we say, he’s supposed to do that but when he plays mediocre its josh smith is this teams true weakness. i bet we trade josh for no one close to his talent as well as we will give them a pick and that team will make their respective conference finals and we will be two steps back.
last season was the same as the season before and we didnt even have AL. we were like 5-6 on PPG allowed and we didnt have our all-star center oh no! josh did it all for us and got snubbed. the funny thing is i think we can get to the nba finals with josh and joe on our team, i just believe we need to trade AL for another 1a player. three 1a guys can beat even mia with their 1(lbj6) and 1(dw3) and 1a(cb4). if we traded al for iggy we would have 3 1as and i think we could possibly when that series.

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Rod, Willie Green will never make 40% of his 3s again, just like you;re convined that Marvin will never reach his previous career high in performance. I’m on board with trading Marvin. You can butcher Marvin until the cows come home. I’m just trying to understand why you have decided to link Marvin to Jenkins the day after he was drafted, that’s all. It’s like if you don’t like a player, they become Marvin-esque, just because you are a one trick pony incapable of any other way of articulating yourself.

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Dana u have to blame ownership they are giving out the big contracts WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN PERRY JONES DA 3RD

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Pretty sure Josh has been crying about playing power forward for years because he can’t take the punishment. So much that he lost 30 pounds last season to force them to move him to small forward.

he whined about lack of touches/shots.
he whined about not making the all star game
he whined about playing small forward

Should rename that building the CRY-Light Factory

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303, yep, that’s what teams like the Hawks were hoping for, a CBA that leveled the playing field.

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“You can butcher Marvin until the cows come home. I’m just trying to understand why you have decided to link Marvin to Jenkins the day after he was drafted, that’s all.”

I never linked Marvin and Jenkins. I said that we heard the same things about Marvin is his pre-daft workout, (that he shot lights out), that we heard about Jenkins. I also had a close friend who was a scout for the Hawks who said the same thing about Salim. I also stated I wonder if he had anyone guarding him. I know many guys right now who are not NBA talented who can knock down open jumpers all day long. It’s more a questioning of this franchise. I have seen John Jenkins play numerous times. The guy can shoot the rock. But so can, Jamal Crawford, Mike Miller, James Jones, Jason Kapono, Salim Stoudemire, Willie Green………

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Rod from College Park
June 29th, 2012
11:12 am

“My only issue with the Mike Scott pick is if we re-sign Ivan to backup Josh, when will Mike Scott play? In blowout games, or if Ivan gets in foul trouble?”

It means Ivan is gone. The one guy on the team that played with toughness, and scared everyone except Zaza is gone. I think he a Drew had problems anyway after the season started. We got more ‘NICE GUYS”. Don’t know much about Scott, but it hard for me to believe that is is more NBA ready than Ivan. Maybe it is a money thing.
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No, “it is (not) a money thing”; it’s a “(conservative) culture change thing”/approach. With the “Danny boy” (Ferry) at the helm, you can expect the Atlanta Hawks (franchise) to become the “Duke Blue Devils” of the NBA. The Atlanta Hawks will look to add players who are supposedly clean cut, upright, wholesome, have a positive image, have very little to no tattoos, have no checkered (chequered) past(s), “good guy” types. I can’t blame Hawks management if it wants to go this route in pursuing players but sometimes an NBA team might need a few players who are rough, rugged and raw with checkered pasts to get it (the team) “over the hump.” The Hawks should NOT be in the business of signing players to be “saints” (for the organization) or “sing in the choir”; the Hawks should be in the business signing players who give the (Hawks) franchise the best chance at winning. After all, this is the NBA. I’m just sayin’.

The Hawks need players – not choir (and/or altar) boys.

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I forgot to add “heady” and intelligent (to my list of adjectives).

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Did not know that Ray Allen and Woody are really tight. Golfing buddies?

No wonder the Knicks have a real good shot at Ray signing with them! What a huge acquisition that would be…Make’s Woody’s job even easier…..

57-63 wins sound about right….

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High-sider, I am usually right there with you. I always think a team should have two tough guys. Ivan is a tough guy ( a really f’ing tough guy, actually). But, his past issues are pretty extreme. And, like the people at Grantland.com say, he is like a cyborg. From the outside looking in, I’m never sure if Ivan is going to just snap and go postal.

Not sure if he gets re-signed. His price tag is getting higher, for one thing. Another, not sure if the guy is stable. Will be interesting to see what Danny Ferry does with him.

Ivan is a good player, no doubt.

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“From the outside looking in, I’m never sure if Ivan is going to just snap and go postal.”

The Hawks should not make personnel decisions based on the fact that some Hawks fans are afraid of black people. Ivan is a player. He kept his emotions in check all season. The only reason Hawks management has a problem with him is because he called out teammates who have bigger paychecks.

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Slim, Knicks just had JR Smith in the same role as Ray Allen, and they didn’t get a top 5 seed, even with a Disney written two months from Lin. Allen would come here before NYK. As Phil Jackson said, the Knicks roster is sloppy. They’re even worse than the Hawks. I wouldn’t trade Josh for Melo or Al for Amare.

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Funny, folk complain during the season about the “same old Hawks” but heaven forbid they decide to do something different. Yeah, finding a few players who can look you in the eye and speak in complete sentences would certainly be an awful thing. We should petition to have the Hawks maintain whatever image has historically resulted in a bottom 10 home attendance and the 2nd round ceiling. Or better yet, model ourselves after the Jailblazers. Can Isiah Crowell play SG?

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Trying to figure out what the infatuation with Wroten. He is the worst shooter in the draft. At the NBA pro day he didn’t make even 1 3 pointer. The Hawks don’t need mother player who can’t shoot or score. I am so glad we passed on him.

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If Ivan doesn’t get extended, I’d blame LD or the players. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of them didn’t like the way he talked to them… especially those players who seem focused on the hierarchy of things.

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“Rod from College Park, I like reading your posts. You’re a knowledgeable fan, from what I can tell. But…..I think you are forgetting how bad Jamal Crawford was his last season here. He had some good moments (the shot in Game 3, in 2010 Magic Series. And, Game 1 against the Bulls, also in 2010). He had more bad games than good, though. He often took poor shots and that put the Hawks in a lot of holes.”

If Jamal Crawford was bad his last season here, then our team was horrible as he was easily one of the best players on the team. I did see your correction post, but lets not forget that that season he was 6th man of the year. Did you see James Harden thie year in the playoffs? Would you still take him on your team right now. These are quotes from Stan Van Gundy and Josh Smith from the Orlando playoff series that we won:

“Jamal is playing with unbelievable confidence. Everything he throws up, he knows it’s going in,” Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy said. “We’re at the opposite end of the spectrum. We have a lot of guys throwing it up, and they have no idea if it’s going in.”

“We rely on Joe and Jamal to get it done in tough situations,” Atlanta forward Josh Smith said. “They answered the bell again.”

Did Chicago shut Jamal Down in the Chicago series. Yes. That is what great defensive teams do. They also shut down Horford, Joe and Josh. Blaming Jamal is nonsense especially when the Chicago made it their top priority to contain him. I don’t seem to remeber the many bad moments you speak of. I remeber the first year he was here playoffs when the whole team stuck up the joint, and I remember the Chicago series.

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Guys, should the Hawks make a run at OJ Mayo?

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@ Ra’mon

Not happening at all OJ there long-term it’s only Rudy Gay that is being shopped or moving out of Memphis if at all that is.

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Okay, and dont forgot to lock the door and cut off the lights

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Ray, Memphis didn’t extend a tender offer to OJ Mayo. He’s an unrestricted free agent.

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@ Ra’mon

Here’s the thing though what about Joe Johnson that now makes three SG’s we’ll have and one we’ve already overpaid for and Joe is not a SF he got the height not the skill set to play it effectively.

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OJ Mayo – remember how stupid McHale was for trading him for Kevin Love? Hopefully our new GM will pull off a stupid trade like that someday! I’m taking a wait and see approach to Jenkins & Scott. If you told me we would end up with the best outside shooter & an all ACC performer from this draft I would have been happy. That’s what we ended up with so I’m happy for now.

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Rod from College Park – right on Marvin, wrong on Jamal, jury’s out on John Jenkins. ‘Nuff said…

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Sign Chauncey Billups and Omer Asik.

Four guard and big man rotation use the rest on quality wings for Williams.

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H-S – Is Mike Scott “squeaky” clean? I have know idea. Maybe the Hawks are working on a trade, and the $500,000.00 they save on Scott over Ivan is a part of that, I don’t know.

We may keep Ivan for all any of us know right now..

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Ray, last season we had three SGs with Joe, Green, and Kirk. And that’s if you don’t include Tracy McGrady who played a lot at the 2 position. And Joe played a good bit of the 3 last season. If you bring in Mayo (who can run either guard spot), you have a better player than Kirk or JC was when they were here. A line up of Teague – Mayo – Joe – Josh – Al, is one that sounds a lot better than ANY lineup of Marvin or Kirk starting.

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@lewis,
you can’t get mad at crawford for not “scoring with the offense” that fell on woody not having any semblence of an offense. i know i said woody but drew is guilty too. we looked like we don’t know where to go (or that you can pass the ball faster than you can dribble it)

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John Jenkins was shadowed by most teams. And I know Vandy plays a screen heavy O. But he did still get his shot off. And his stop and pop is great, as well as his J however his J is being shot in the offensive.

That said, the guy is no Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, or any other HOF type. DraftExpress says best case scenario is Anthony Morrow – NBADraft.net, who had him rated where the Hawks did evidently, much higher (#24) says Dell Curry or JJ Reddick

Seems like a good kid. Let’s give him a shot and see. But I never see him as a starter in the NBA, unless somebody’s injured or something.

AJ – If he turns into Ben Gordon, then I’m happy – except for the contract!

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The Bulls are evidently releasing Korver, Brewer, and Watson in an effort to keep Asik this year, then Gibson next.

Sign CJ Watson. Yes he looked terrible in the playoffs – he’s not supposed to be a #1 option. But as a backup PG, he’s really good.

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I played with the Bulls on NBA2K, yeah CJ Watson is the #### as a backup. Sign him!

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Marquis was rated way higher than Jeff coming into College.

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Willie Green really did ok during the regular season as a backup SG. Playoffs were another matter.

Rod hit that one dead on.

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“With the “Danny boy” (Ferry) at the helm, you can expect the Atlanta Hawks (franchise) to become the “Duke Blue Devils” of the NBA. ” – High-Sider

This is total BS. The same Danny Ferry who re-signed Delonte West? If all he wanted was choir boys, he sure as hell wouldn’t have done THAT, now would he?

And High-Sider, how about answering this question:

So I ask again about this quote:

“GM Ferry will move a good player with some attitude issues like Josh Smith but will look to keep an overrated, mediocre player like Kirk Hinrich.” – High-Sider

What are you basing this accusation on?

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there is no racially based thinking going on in the hawks front office. idk any hawks fans scared of ivan either, he may be emotionally unstable from time to time but he never has done any physical harm to anyone.
and i would be happy to have a duke blue devils type franchise, thatd mean we are what? in the final four every year with multiple championships? ill take that and the criticism of being “golden boys” if we are winning titles i dont give a shh how others perceve us if we are winning.

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“This is total BS. The same Danny Ferry who re-signed Delonte West? If all he wanted was choir boys, he sure as hell wouldn’t have done THAT, now would he?”

Delonte West did nothing while he was in Cleveland but smash Lebron’s mom. All that wild stuff happened after Cleveland. Plus he has been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder which is controlled by medication. Little different than being an all out thug or bad guy. Pick someone else.

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HAWKS PLAYED THIER BEST BASKETBALL WHEN HORFORD GOT HURT AND BIG IVAN WAS PLAYING SIGNIFICANT MINUTES.

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Jim no boeing hung would be too quick. Drawn and quartered with a slow painful bleeding death is more like it.

All this atas stuff is too much. That is what you need to be a player and have the might mentality? Vey funny because if that is all needed then favorite whipping boy Marvin would be home free. He is well tatted

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Cap space -vs Players..

I believe the Hawks(Ferry) would have made the trade with the Rocket on draft night if they(Rockets) still had Dalembert(1.5mil buyout). They don’t want Kmart 12mil salary because it doesn’t allow them the money to sign a quality free agent.

If you are going to trade Josh, you need to be able to replace his production with the player or players you aquire…. If not, let him playout the year and get his money next year.

Josh is a very good player, so you can’t replace him with a rookie or some journeymen…

I think the trade with Houston may hinge on Toronto… If they can’t get Nash, they may work a 3 way trade to get Lowry(Raptors), Smith(Rockets) and rookies, cap space or players for the Hawks.

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OJ Mayo will become a UFA since Memphis declined to extend him a QO. Hawks needs to go after him.

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I get tired of coming on here and all I see is people dogging out the hawks. How do you people know that al horford doesn’t wana play center? You have no proof whatsoever so jus wait. Damn

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Atl Fan
June 29th, 2012
7:15 pm

I get tired of coming on here and all I see is people dogging out the hawks. How do you people know that al horford doesn’t wana play center? You have no proof whatsoever so jus wait. Damn

You must be new to the blog. Welcome.

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@Big Ray

Here’s a link for NBA SMOY Award winners.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/smoy.html

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Where is Najeh Davenpoop? I bet he is stalking preschools right about now

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Step 1 this week to prepare for being a player in the FA signings:
1) Find out the amnesty schedule for Marvin, dump his 15M because he is definitely not going to give that last year player option.

If the ASG says its okay to go into the luxury tax, why not just free up 8.27 this year, 7.5M next year and that one move benefits this team more than any minimum salary vet we can bring in here.

How much does that expand your FA options? A couple of names: DeShawn Stevenson and competition for Jenkins: Jodie Meeks, who probably comes cheaper.

There are choices out there….Marvin and the amnesty clause is the key to improving the roster this season.

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Can I say that I’m legitemately sick of joe johnson and sad that because of poor management and papaper work he will probably retire a hawk. I’m on the fence about josh smith but the hawks need players that have a drive to play and WIN. Start a tradition of excellence that other teams recognize and respect the hawks are a joke because they play like clowns and larry drew as coach is another example of our lack luster organization. Where are the real winners??? cut the whole team keep teague horford and without a doubt IVAN JOHNSON.

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I KNOW JOSH SMITH BETTER BE UNTRADEABLE. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF IGGY NO ONE ELSE MATCHES HIS COMPLETE PRODUCTION OR HEART. TRADE AL FA IGGY!!!!!!!

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We Hawks fans cant live in the past anymore, Joe Johnson was signed to a mammoth contract, and he will be here until at least he has maybe 2 years left on his deal.

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FTPB

“Perry Jones is the next Stromile Swift. I’ve been trying to think of who he reminds me of, and it’s Stro Show”

Jones has a LOT more offensive skill. I have doubts as to whether he will put it all together but the Stro Show was all athleticism, no skill, kind of like Tyrus Thomas. I’d compare Jones more to Jonathan Bender, if you want to go with a draft bust from previous years.

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I like Ivan’s toughness and attitude, and having an edge to your team’s culture is certainly a plus, but let’s face it — the Heat win because of LeBron more so than Haslem. The Mavs won because of Dirk more so than Chandler. The Celtics won because of their big three more than because of Perkins. Ultimately it doesn’t matter whether Ivan is on the team or not as long as we are relying on this core to get somewhere meaningful, which they will never do.

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“Ultimately it doesn’t matter whether Ivan is on the team or not as long as we are relying on this core to get somewhere meaningful, which they will never do.”

Yeah, dat’s troo. But I’ll miss Ivan if he’s not re-signed. He’s fun to watch.

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This blog is a perfect example of people who KNOW NOTHING about the game of basketball or the Hawks roster making idiotic statements. John Jenkins was the best shooter in college basketball, the best player in the SEC, and the hardest worker in college basketball for the last 3 years. This guys shooting is an 11 on a scale of 1-10, yes he’s that good…and you guys bash him?? You are really that stupid?? Lets see ALL the guy does is average 19.9 points a game last year, while shooting .474 from the field, and .439 from 3, a little down from his freshman year when he shot .483 from 3 point range. Yes, the guy shot almost 50 percent from 3. You wont find a guy with a smoother stroke, even with a hand or two in his face, I’ve seen him over the years make unbelievable shots— turnaround 18 footers with a hand in his face, 35 foot 3 pointers as the clock winds down…this guy can make anything…basically a better Joe Johnson, more consistent anyways. And he fits perfect because the Hawks had so many wide open shots from penetrating and fast breaks last year, the problem was they didnt have a guy who could consistently knock down those jumpers..Both Marvin and Joe were very hit or miss…So please elaborate why this is a bad pick? I am in love with Ferry after not only getting Jenkins, but picking up Mike Scott at 43. Both AMAZING picks and absolute steals….Now just sign Ivan back quickly, and we will be rolling…

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“Delonte West did nothing while he was in Cleveland but smash Lebron’s mom. ”

He did get arrested for carrying three loaded guns on his motorcycle.

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“John Jenkins was the best shooter in college basketball, the best player in the SEC, and the hardest worker in college basketball for the last 3 years.”

I am not saying this to diss Jenkins, who may very well turn out to be very good. But Adam Morrison was arguably the best player, best shooter, and hardest worker in college basketball, and he was absolute garbage in the NBA because he didn’t have the array of skills necessary to showcase his strength. College production alone doesn’t guarantee NBA success.

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Najeh I smashed your moms with your hommies, while you stalked preschools:)

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Rod from C.P.

My remarks to H-S were based on discourse that has been ongoing
between he and myself for more than a week.

I have absolutely no quarrel with you and do not wish to begin.

However, if you enter the narrative, welcome.

I do not think for one second that I misunderstood High-Sider`s
position, his intent, his philosophy, or his message;
whether it be overt or underlying.

Rod:
I am not offended by H-S, merely turning the tables.
I am rarely offended by words, my skin is thick.
However, like yourself I do react to words.

I do hope -my- message within the excerpt from which
you posted, was not lost due to my running dialogue
with H-S.

respectfully,
G-dad

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i have been readin’ “marvin williams SUCK” comments for years…DOES MARVIN KNOW THAT HE SUCKS?

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Well duh, how about renegotiating Joe Johnsons contract for the good of the team, and free up money to get new talent. Oh, I forgot, Johnson doesn’t give a rats a$$ about the good of the team. Get out of town losers.

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Honestly the biggest prob is Joe’s contract entirely too much for the level he’s playing at. On the other hand Marv just hasn’t proven hesself worthy either. But for all of u tru hawks fans really Josh has came too play last year and did very good and definitly dosn’t deserves not too get a new contract if u signed Joe u might as well pay Josh. Cause we all know he’s (Josh) is a player that just wanna win and ain’t nothing wrong with that. But still good vet out there Allan Iverson

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We got a new coach for Josh.

Seems like he don’t like the new coach either.

and he’s from Atl?

We need to send him packin.

Problem is, we won’t get value for his ability, as other teams realize they will be inheriting a cancer.

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If Ferry don’t know that he should resign Ivan, he is clueless. Ivan is cheap and he plays backup to 3 positions very good. He is the only tough player on the team. He had heart and again, he is cheap.

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I like the Marvin for Dev Harris, but I dont know if Utah would bite. They do have Mo Williams now….

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The Book On Perry Jones
Posted by Darnell Mayberry on June 29, 2012M at 2:05 am
News, notes and nuggets from Thursday night’s selection of Perry Jones III.

Thunder general manager Sam Presti: “We didn’t enter this draft thinking that Perry Jones would be there at 28 for us.”
Chalk it up to an alleged knee issue that caused Jones, who shall be referred to as PJ3, to slip. A year ago, he was a projected top 10 pick.
“Perry Jones obviously is an extremely talented individual and somebody that we feel very fortunate to be able to add to our team,” said Presti.
Lots of questions about why PJ3 slipped so far. Those questions were posed to Presti and assistant GM Troy Weaver. And, again, it came back to the knee. “People probably had questions about medicals…I would think that maybe that had something to do with it,” said Weaver. “Maybe people didn’t do their homework as well. I’m not sure. But I would think that the medical had something to do with it because he was projected to be picked higher.”
A little more from Presti: “Sometimes, it’s kind of like a chessboard so to speak. Once things start to happen, there’s a real trickle down effect. Certain teams are locked in on certain players, and certain teams have different needs. And the next thing you know, guys that you don’t anticipate being there start to fall to you. Sometimes, guys that you don’t anticipate being there fall to you and you can’t capitalize. This time, we felt like we could.”
Presti expressed a great deal of confidence in Jones’ knee. He said the team has done a lot of research and “felt very comfortable making this selection at 28.” “We looked at all the information that we had available, and we wouldn’t have selected him unless we felt comfortable with all the information,” Presti said.
Presti declined to say whether PJ3 will require surgery on his knee. But he reiterated that the organization felt comfortable with the alleged issue. “Before I say too much, what I’d like to do is just make sure our group has a chance to see him and get a baseline where he is,” Presti said. “But as I said before, he had an incredible athletic testing performance at the pre-draft combine and has played two seasons at Baylor consistently. But we need to let those guys get a baseline as to where he is and how we can continue to improve him as an athlete.”
Presti was asked whether this selection had any sort of “DeJuan Blair effect,” as in not letting a talent again slip away because of health concerns. Presti, perhaps shockingly, said “I don’t know.” It wasn’t a real ‘I don’t know.’ It felt like much more of an ‘I’m not going to answer that with the truth I don’t know.’
Of course, a question about the James Harden-for-Bradley Beal rumor had to be posed to Presti. And, of course, Presti didn’t give anything remotely close to an answer nor anything remotely as good as “To me, it’s rubbish.” Here’s what Presti said about the rumor that had Thunder heads running wild for 24 hours. “I couldn’t tell you where that stuff starts, because we don’t pay a whole lot of attention to it,” Presti said. “All I can say is it’s that time of year. James Harden is a coveted player. But I don’t think anyone covets him as much as we do. He’s a player that, as we’ve said before, has really grown with this organization and we’re really excited about having him.”
Presti said he attended PJ3′s first college practice. “I remember it sticking out to me the fact that he was a freshman that was out there early before anybody else,” Presti said. “We feel really strongly about his work ethic in combination with a lot of physical gifts that he has.”
Presti said the him and his staff asked PJ3′s college coach, Scott Drew, to sum up PJ3 in three words. They were: “Great teammate, caring and humble.”
I know. That’s four words.
At any rate. “Those are traits that we feel are really important to our program here,” Presti said. “Additionally, we just feel like he blends with us as an organization on and off the floor.”
Jones, according to Presti, is 6-10.25″ without shoes and has 4.5 percent body fat.
Is PJ3 more of a 3 or a 4 at the NBA level? “We won’t pigeonhole him,” said Weaver. “We think he can play anywhere on the front line. He’s a versatile player. The coaches will handle that. But we see his versatility as a strength.”
Now, about PJ3′s propensity for passivity on the court. It might have just been spin, but Weaver and Presti made PJ3′s up-and-downs out to be a positive. “Everybody looks at his talent and says this guy should be dominant,” Weaver said. “But he plays within a teamwork and tries to blend with players and help his team win ballgames.”
More from Weaver: “We’re not that concerned about how assertive he is because he has a tremendous work ethic. He brings his hard hat every day. But he’s just a guy that just tries to fit in and help the team win. I remember people saying that about different players like Tayshaun Prince and stuff like that. But Tayshaun just tried to help his team win and Perry is the same type of guy. He just tries to help his team win.”
Now there’s a comparison, not that Weaver was comparing the two. But if Perry James Jones III is anything, anything at all, like Tayshaun Durell Prince, he won’t just be a steal. He’ll easily be the best pick in the last 10 years.
A quick look at PJ3′s first 15 games this season illustrates how erratic he was. Here are his point totals in those games: 27, 12, 8, 28, 6, 14, 4, 8, 14, 9, 17, 19, 18, 8, 21…The same type of pattern was seen over his final 18 games.
Take a look at PJ3′s numbers from his freshman to his sophomore season. The thing that stands out is he didn’t take a big jump in anything. As a matter of fact, he actually averaged fewer points, blocks and free throw attempts, while shooting a much worse percentage from the field. Weaver again looked at the glass as half full. “His numbers were down, but they won more games,” Weaver said. “So I think he tried to blend more, help his teammates more and understand that coming back, taking more of a leadership role, he had to kind of spread his wings a little more and spread his game out.”
I don’t know what to think about PJ3′s passivity, to be honest. But I know that Presti brought up a great point, one that I think we should all file in the memory bank for two or three years down the line. At some point, it will come into play. “We really see him as a blend player,” Presti said. “We see great value in the fact that he’s incredibly talented, but he’s able to play within a team and understand how he can impact a game. He doesn’t need to be forcing the issue at all times. And with our particular team, we feel like that’s a huge quality that we looked at as a positive for us.” Amen to that. With Harden, Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant seemingly set to be together for years to come, the Thunder doesn’t need another player who wants and needs the ball. Whenever PJ3 cracks the rotation, it will be a luxury to have a talented big man who can get you 20 one night but also be content with taking a lesser role as a scorer yet still gobble up 10 boards and block four shots the next.
Baylor played a lot of zone, which naturally hides players on defense. But when asked about PJ3′s defensive skills, Weaver spoke highly of him. “I think he rates pretty solid,” Weaver said. “He can defend. He’s long. He can guard multiple positions…I think that his versatility and his length would lend to him being a solid defender here.”
Weaver said PJ3 has shooting range out to the college 3 with consistency.
Can PJ3 provide low-post scoring? That’s, of course, the one thing Thunder heads near and far want most on this team. But as you might expect, Presti shut it down by sidestepping questions about PJ3′s ability to be an effective post scorer. “I think we have to be careful,” Presti said. “I think we have to get him in and kind of see where he is before we try to establish what it is he’s going to give us.”
PJ3 did not come to Oklahoma City for a workout. The Thunder saw him at the pre-draft camp in Chicago.
Presti on what about PJ3 to him has stood out the most over the past two years: “I think humility. I think he’s a very, very humble person.”
Asked about the conversation he had with PJ3 tonight, Presti declined to go into specifics. But he said PJ3 demonstrated his humility. “The first thing he did was thank us for the opportunity,” Presti said. “We’re excited about having somebody like that. He’s our type of person in terms of his approach and his humility.”
Presti said he anticipates PJ3 being with the team for the Orlando Summer League, which runs July 9-13.
With a starting five that is shaping up to include Reggie Jackson, Lazar Hayward, Latavious Williams, PJ3 and Cole Aldrich, the Thunder is quite likely to dominate the Orlando Summer League.
Not really Thunder related, but other notable rookies that could be competing in Orlando are Jared Sullinger and Fab Melo for Boston, Andre Drummond for Detroit, Mo Harkless for Philadelphia and Tyshawn Taylor for Brooklyn.
Taylor will be a great challenge for Jackson. I can’t wait to see that. If both are healthy and competing, it will go down Thursday, July 12 at noon.
I asked Presti about Jeff Green-gate. He declined further comment after NBA commissioner David Stern. But Presti did confirm that it is indeed Charlotte’s 2013 second-round pick that will be sent to Boston. I didn’t ask why it’s that one, which I am now kicking myself for failing to do. I’ll get that answer and get back.
Jones is scheduled to be introduced in OKC in the next couple of days. Nothing’s been set yet, but it seems likely to be Saturday.

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Mike Scott has some tatt’s if anybody cares. It seems to be important to some on this blog for some reason.

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Astro,

I like I told you last night, OKC pick PJ3 b/c he was available not just to let him sit on the bench to be develop in practice. If PJ3 pans out, Ibaka or Perkins will hit the road. This is how you keep cap flexibility by having young talent on rookie contracts on your roster and in player rotation.

“Thunder general manager Sam Presti: “We didn’t enter this draft thinking that Perry Jones would be there at 28 for us.”
“Perry Jones obviously is an extremely talented individual and somebody that we feel very fortunate to be able to add to our team,””

Doc,
You mention in the other blog that PJ3 had head/attitude issues. I follow this kid since his senior year in HS and I never heard anyone said he had attitude issues. I always heard that he was a very humble kid. Maybe he could use a stronger motor at times but never a problem child.

“Presti said he attended PJ3′s first college practice. “I remember it sticking out to me the fact that he was a freshman that was out there early before anybody else,” Presti said. “We feel really strongly about his work ethic in combination with a lot of physical gifts that he has.”
Presti said the him and his staff asked PJ3′s college coach, Scott Drew, to sum up PJ3 in three words. They were: “Great teammate, caring and humble.””

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SteveW

June 29th, 2012
10:49 pm

“Mike Scott hitting about 17 treys in a row from various points is pretty impressive on his draft workout. Saw the video on youtube.

His J ain’t broke.” -Yawn-

Beware of the Legend of Marvin Williams..

Hey SteveW, it is alleged that in Marvin’s Pre-draft workouts with the Hawks he never missed a jumper and the rest as they say is history? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Im still mehh on the draft. Benson will play for the Hawks summer league team.

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Melvin it is all speculation for sure, however, there is a better reason than his knee unless it is in need of an operation, why he fell so far in the draft where fifteen to twenty teams will be shaking their head for missing. If he needs surgery thennhe wouldnt be a match here for an nba team that has six signed players and very little money tonspend on the other nine. Got it?

The head issue is related to work ethic. That wasnt mentioned in the three words, though those used were very complimentary. We got mature men and I think pj3 still has to grow into a man. You know I hope it happens in okc as I like that program as well. Again, I reiterate we didnt maybe do our home work to know more about the guy in the case he fell and couldnt just walk a limb and pick someone high on the yahoo or espn draft list that was an unknown physically and emotionally.

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Bunch of wannabe GM’s dont know a thing about Jenkins or Scott. Yall just mad they passed on “your guy”. lol. Get over it. Same clowns that wanted Whiteside last year. Same clowns that said JC2 would be an allstar. Whateva!!

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You remember greg oden looked pretty good to most though he had obvious body issues going into the draft. It didn’t work out well for Portland.

Speaking of which, both the blazers and the hornets got the bigs and point guards we never did in our building process in one draft. That sucks.

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Slimjr

I don`t know if you saw my post last nite:
-but-
Mike Scott does not have a 1950`s set shot.

Slim;
i watched extensive video last eve and today.
Once again, I cannot believe I didn`t check this guy out beforehand.
i viewed tape of workouts and game tape.
*[not combine tape] …
*(instructional tape where he`s being worked by mentors / skill coaches)

This kid reminds me alot of our guy Andrew Nicholson:
*not as long & rangy
*better ouside stroke / actually beautiful smooth, easy release
*similar post game
*crafty
*high basketball IQ
*very good pick and roll defender
*and he plays his ass off

This was a very good pick !

I think you will like this kid.

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Stephen what exactly did you miss there?

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High-sider has had TD’s (technical difficulties) like a big dog this evening.

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Okay Grandad, I will take a closer look at this guy..

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LOl… Whitside, Larry Sanders and Derrick Williams..

Imagine if we would have traded Josh for Derrick Williams….. Wow. Some of you have the memories of NBA beat writers… Only remember the good picks.

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????

Has Sund and his staff made a bad pick since they have been here? Sund has made some very, very, very bad center/ upside picks in his career…. Maybe he understand a bad BIG when he sees one.

I think Sund and LD understand shooters.. Green, Pargo, Vlad, JC1, JC2 and Ray Allen…. I think Jenkins is going to be a stud.

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@jhan

jhan
June 29th, 2012
5:38 pm

Astro is correct – James & Wade are both clean cut & well spoken athletes. Everyone is sporting tatoos these days so that means nothing. Gentleman or A-hole who cares – its all about what happens on the court.
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jhan, I don’t think you truly realize or understand what hard-core “conservatism” and “traditionalism” represents and entails. LeBron James is tattooed from (damn near) head-to-toe and was born out-of-wedlock to a teenage mother. LBJ also has/had an “estranged” relationship with his father. LBJ is currently unmarried and has two sons that were born out-of-wedlock. D-Wade has gone through a (much-publicized) divorce and was recently caught on camera cursing at and arguing with Coach Spo’ during a timeout of a playoff game vs. the Pacers. D-Wade also has been wearing outlandish and bizarre clothing/attire. Both players (LBJ and D-Wade) are high-profile, super-rich, unmarried, heterosexual, (probably) virile, black male athletes – that alone (in and of itself) turns “off” a lot of conservatives and traditionalists.

Just because many of these (black male) athletes are expressing their “freedoms” and “liberties” doesn’t mean (that) the “conservatives,” “traditionalists,” and “silent majority” like what they (these {professional} athletes) are doing.

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High-Sider

I`m a traditionalist, a basketball purist;
and when I coached I had alot of old fashioned guidelines.

But what has that got to do with the parents
from which my players came.
How could I judge my players based on their background and upbringing.

I said I was a traditionalist, a purist;
yet I`m not a conservative.
I consider myself a progressive.
Politically – I`m somewhere between a Socialist & a Libertarian.
Have fun trying to figure that one out.
*[politically somewhere between Jesus and Ron Paul]
**I believe in taking care of the poor;
and I also believe America cannot afford to run an Empire.

I was raised pore – that`s poor except worse !
I was raised by a single parent mother.
Father took off when I was a youngster.

Was I destined to be a bad person ?

D.Howard is supposed to be pristine and clean cut;
plus he is a Christian.
He has fathered a child … he is not married;
or at least not to the baby`s mother.
Can he still be a Christian, clean cut, good guy ?
Yes to all – if he chooses.

Are Republicans bad ? Yes
`cause we all are inherently bad.
Can Republicans be good ? of course.
George Bush was a bad President but a good man – I believe.
Nether one bad pres / good man:
has anything to do with skin color.
It is what is in his heart = good man.
It was what was in his mind [or not] = bad Pres.

You once alluded to atrocities that occured on this [our] soil.
The US of A.
What the Europeans did to the American Indians [native Americans]
was an atrocity.
Same for slavery in our country.
I mentioned the Jews and the Holocoust.
Reason:
We are all one people on this planet.
God made all human beings.
We are all in it together.

Love your fellow man and all mankind.

Basketball should remain pure.
Let`s keep it that way !

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@Grandad

“…In your attempt at racial bigotry;
you have stereotyped black people, white people, heck-fire;
you`ve stereotyped and offended everyone I can think of fella…

Toughness has no skin color, no race, culture, nationality, gender,
particular brand of faith, is neither yankee nor Southern, not young,
old, rich, poor, or anything in between…” -Grandad @7:11pm dated 6/29/2012

Your comment above was in response to my comment @4:49pm dated 6/29/2012 which did not even mention “black,” “white,” or a particular player’s race. Why are you so sensitive and uptight? Bill Laimbeer, Chris “Birdman” Anderson, Jeff Ruland, K. Fesenko, Zaza Pachulia, Brian Cardinal and Joe Klein are some basketball players that I would consider and describe as being “rough,” “rugged,” and “raw.” And guess what, Grandad? All of those (aforementioned) players are white. Yep, that’s right; they (those players) are white (players).

You should know (by now) I have no problems mentioning or discussing race (on this blog). Why are you so upset and angry? I’m the black man; I’m the one who should be angry, mad and bitter as hell (and I am {LOL}). You acted as if I said the American social, political and economic order (system) benefits white people, in general, and white males, in particular, and currently has a pro-white, white-supremacist agenda/policy – and it (the order/system) does.

43 of 44 US Presidents are/were white.
96 of 100 US Senators are white.
361 of 435 US Representatives are white.
Seven of nine US Supreme Court Justices are white.
481 of the Fortune 500 CEO’s are white.

Do you see (racial) (dis)proportionality? Do you see (racial) over-representation/under-representation?

You do the math. You add it up. And now, you book it.

If I’m a bigot, what would you call “the American way of life”?

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High-sider (is) experiencing technical difficulties.

“Somebody put ‘roots’ on me.” Where’s Miss Cleo? (LOL + LMAO)

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H-S. Not sure what your point is. You can’t argue that those two are not well spoken. They have tatoos – who doesn’t these days? Hard core “conservatism” has multiple meanings depending on your social beliefs. You’ll have to expand for me.

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High-Sider

” it’s a “(conservative) culture change thing”/approach. With the “Danny boy” (Ferry) at the helm, you can expect the Atlanta Hawks (franchise) to become the “Duke Blue Devils” of the NBA. The Atlanta Hawks will look to add players who are supposedly clean cut, upright, wholesome, have a positive image, have very little to no tattoos, have no checkered (chequered) past(s), “good guy” types.”

Once again you are parsing out segments of my post,
and taking what I said out of context.
You and I both know it.

My post crossed color lines, gender lines, socioeconomic lines,
and so on, and so on, and so on.
You, once again, focused in on color, making it as if I,
not you are the one with the bias.

My focus is trying to get you to understand:

” And now these three remain:
faith, hope and love.
But the greatest of these is love ”
- I Corinthians 13:13 -

Here are two tough guys:
Dennis Rodman & Shane Battier
*’`tough in different ways`’*
As opposite as nite is to day.
-Yet both tough-

You were the one who brought up tatoos and the like.
e.g.; Rodman = tough / the analogy was Ivan, I believe.

I`ve coached farm boys who are as tough as nails.
I coached against a bunch of tobacco farmers kids once.
Never could beat that bunch of hard workin` bruisers.

You missed the entire point of my post again.
Tough ain`t what you look like.
You cannot tell good from bad on the outside;
it is what is in one`s heart.

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@ Mitch

A lot of people knew this was Larry Drew and Rick Sund’s draft

Danny Ferry hasn’t even been here long enough to scope things out I say give him 2 more weeks or even 3 max before he starts doing anything at all.

My thing is who will he weed out as the cancer on the team.

Hopefully he doesn’t make the same mistake I forget if it was Sund or Billy Knight made when it came to Josh Smith making him go find a contract or team willing to take him.

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If Ferry is not interested in re-signing Ivan Johnson, that is not going to be popular.

I will wish Ivan well if he leaves. Will root for him as long as he does not play us.

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“I want to build a roster that has some flexibility to it,” Ferry said. “Ownership has told me when appropriate, that when going over the tax makes sense as far as making us a better team, that is something we would be allowed to do. I want to use that judiciously, though, when you are given that opportunity to do so.

My first impressions of Ferry are good based on that comment. Smart plan even if we have to sacrifice a little of 2012-13. In a salary capped sport you have to practice good busniess.

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Somebody said that Joe no way could be traded, there is some one that would take on the final 4years of his contract trust me.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So who gets traded right now is the question.

If we want really flexibility it’s got to be Joe, Marvin or Horford or a combo of the 3. I can see a Horford/Marvin combo to Memphis for a few pieces.

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Teague, Josh, Horford, are the Hawks future

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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http://youtu.be/4U0u7akXkJk

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it’s a “(conservative) culture change thing”/approach. With the “Danny boy” (Ferry) at the helm, you can expect the Atlanta Hawks (franchise) to become the “Duke Blue Devils” of the NBA. The Atlanta Hawks will look to add players who are supposedly clean cut, upright, wholesome, have a positive image, have very little to no tattoos, have no checkered (chequered) past(s), “good guy” types.”

Is that what Ferry did in Cleveland? I think not. Invalid point.

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What up Big Brother Ray ?

Falcons Season right around corner and clock is ticking fast lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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High Sider

Getting (Winning) the Sixth Man of the Year Award is what you get when you’re the best reserve in the NBA for a particular regular season. James Harden, Lamar Odom, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry, Manu Ginobili, Leandro Barbosa, Mike Miller, Ben Gordon, etc. may or may not have taken the second most shots on their respective teams but those players were voted by basketball writers, analysts, experts, etc. as the best reserves in the NBA for a particular season.

I agree with the first statement, and I also am reasonably certain that NONE of those players took the second most shots on their team.

If Marvin should get some credit for Jamal’s SMOY Award, then Marvin should get credit for Horford’s two All-Star appearances and one All-NBA accolade, J. Johnson’s multiple All-Star appearances and Josh Smith DPOY runner-up and 2nd team All-NBA defensive team membership because JJ, AH, and JS had to cover up for Marvin’s lack of scoring, rebounding, defense, etc.

LOL….you really made me laugh here, but you missed the point. I’ll explain later, but I will say this – it’s not a wonder you and Rod get along. Rod would love the idea of Marvin being the reason for all of those other guys and their accolades. Rod has a blue-veined throbber for Marvin of epic pornographic proportions, which is uncanny, but it is what it is….

The argument, which you were not a part of, is about Jamal Crawford and his former role with the Hawks. It is NOT about the SMOY award, or the history thereof.

Comparing Jamal to Lamar Odom, James Harden, and other SMOY winners is another story altogether, one that can be argued up and down for days….and I’ll preface that by saying I would take a few names (in their prime) from that list you gave over Crawford.

However, the roles themselves are singular. The fact of the matter is that Jamal was a hired gun for Atlanta. Were it not for his own limitations and the makeup of the team, he would have been a starter. He took more shots in a system that was CLEARLY Iso based, and it worked to his advantage. How is it that this was the highlight/pinnacle of his career? Was he ever close to being in such a role elsewhere? Why not in Portland? My point is that the situation in Atlanta gave him the award. I’m not saying he didn’t earn it by performing, but some folks act like he was the best thing to happen to the Hawks and was a major loss when the truth is that the Hawks have been so dysfunctional on the court system and development-wise that a guy with Jamal’s talents could thrive the way he did, but it didn’t portent well for the team….and it wasn’t going to take the team any further than normal in the playoffs. Let me quantify that further with a segment of your own statements:

I’m almost certain that James Harden and Lamar Odom didn’t take the second most field goals (shots) on their respective teams when they won the Sixth Man of the Year Award.

Oh, you are so much more right than you know. But do you know WHY you are right? Because the Thunder did not NEED Harden to take the second most shots. The Lakers did not NEED Odom to take the second most shots. But guess what? The Hawks DID need that from Jamal. Your statement illustrates how much better the Lakers and Thunder are than the Hawks and how Odom and Harden contributed to their teams. If anything, that shows how much more valuable either player is, in a more successful system. Could Jamal have won SMOY while playing for the Lakers or Thunder? Heh….I’ll leave that one for you to ponder.

I find it ironic that he does that for the Hawks but didn’t and won’t for Portland or any other team.

Jamal was good at what he did, in the role asked of him: Take as many shots as you please, we need the scoring in our “create your own shot and don’t think twice about passing unless you’re double teamed and the clock is running down” system.

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Darrell ,

The Falcons are in much better shape right about now than the Hawks are.

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Big Ray,

Hinrich’s deal is done. He’s a free agent come midnight. Free to go and seek that elusive ring – or return to Chicago. LD sobs at the thought…

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Big ray bro you been gone too long. Hinrich has expired as of tomorrow. He is targeted back to chitown
When all is said and done by the rumors.

Jerry mentioned Matt Barnes, he didn’t do well for the lakers as he did in orlando so I don’t know if he is on the downside but I would take a close look at him for sure based on asking price.

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@ Ken

The Lakers wouldn’t be able to send that much cash in a Pau deal. Best case for the Hawks would be Josh and Marvin for Pau. Lakers take back slightly more salary, so maybe the Hawks would have to take Christian Eyenga’s deal in the process.

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John Jenkins (JJ2) = Ben Gordon

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My opinion is Joe only care about pay check i never see this guy say nothing, he hold the ball for 18seconds of 24 second shot clock, if LD want his ball movement to run right Danny must trade Joe

Joe make the Hawk offensive stagnant.

Trade Joe.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From ajc.com;

The Hawks can retain salary-matching rights by extending a qualifying offer to Johnson by the end of Saturday. Ferry said Thursday he hadn’t made a decision..

With the draft of Mike Scott, I would be surprised if they re-sign Ivan (who I think deserves a raise).

As for Josh, I doubt Josh will sign an extension (and I don’t think he should), but I hope the Hawks still offer him one. IMO, if there is no rumor of the Hawks offering Josh an extension, then I think he will be traded.

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I wonder why MC never mentions that no one really wants Josh and that he is VERY overpaid..?..If Josh was so great, teams would be knocking the door down to get him..Sund should have let him go to Memphis and blow games by jacking up bad shots…In game game 6 against Boston , Marvin showed up, Josh JACKED up a bad shot again….He has been hurting the Hawks for years…

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The 2 contracts that are killing the Hawks are Joe and Josh…they always have the ball and never come up big when it really counts..Hawks fans are just mad that we took Marvin over cp3, a guy who has never ever won a damn thing…..Marvin has always been solid, The Hawks 2 stars, Joe and josh have never stepped up..Time for Al and Marvin to get a chance

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“In game game 6 against Boston , Marvin showed up, Josh JACKED up a bad shot again….He has been hurting the Hawks for years…”

Where was Marvin in games 1, 2, 3 and 4?

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Let’s talk about the Hawks. If you want to pontificate on society, go somewhere else.

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There is only one contract that is killing the Hawks. Other clubs have a $12 million dollar almost allstars, but few clubs have a ball guy that is worth $12 million making $20 million on a team that is stuck below the salary cap line.

Marvin is worth closer to $7 million than ISO is worth $20 million for 4 more years.

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JOE MUST GO, 2 TEAM THAT WOULD TAKE HIM.

LAKERS

KNICKS

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tkgn8o

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It was not a bad pick,

I wonder why MC never mentions that no one really wants Josh and that he is VERY overpaid..?..If Josh was so great, teams would be knocking the door down to get him.

Did you not read the blog? See MC’s comments from above;

They continue to get a lot of calls about Josh Smith. but the impetus for pursuing Pau Gasol came from Rick Sund and Ferry so far hasn’t taken that baton. Ferry hasn’t even had a chance to fully assess the roster or meet the players.

Smith has a lot of value as a talented and productive player on a reasonable contract that expires after next season...

But your eyes see what they want to, not what is real.

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“Marvin was a 14ppg player on one of the top 8 teams in the NBA until his shots declined”

So I wonder why his shots declined? Who was responsible for him getting those 14 points? Can he create his own shot? Do teams fear Marvin Williams when they play the Hawks?

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“Gasol would allow us to be a much more balanced and effective half court OFF team.”

Might be true, but what would happen defensively? Answer = Layup line.

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iwnabp,

From Marc Stein on espn.com;

Teams have been calling the Atlanta Hawks all week to register trade interest in swingman Josh Smith, according to sources close to the situation..

I don’t know about you, but the impression I get is teams are interested in Josh Smith.

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Ken, 40 mill a year for 2 players, and neither guys a superstar, SMH

Dum trade for the Hawks.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Darrell starks,

Since Josh is a free agent after this season, and there has been rumors he wants out (he has done or said nothing to deny these rumors), what do you think the Hawks should do with Josh?

Keep him for another year, and risk him walking away for nothing next offseason (when he will get a raise that the ASG cant afford anyway)? Or should they find a trade for him?

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O’Brien

Me if im the Hawks i would keep Josh for one more year, if he stay then Hawks are in good shape, i he leave thing that 13mil of Cap.

Hawks still would be good shape if Josh walk after next year.

Josh 13mill Zaza 6mill

19mill of your cap.

Give Danny more flexibility to make more moves.

The Ball will be in Josh Court after 2013.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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O’Brien

I have always been and Amare Fan, he would look real good with Horford and Josh.

Amare would bring leader ship 2 Hawks.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

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Would it be possible for the Hawks to trade Marvin and Joe and pay a significant portion of their salaries for next year to bribe somebody to take them off of our hands?

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Oh and BTW ESPN reporting

T-wolves trying to get Pau Gasol and also Rockets are shopping Luis Scola just to add.

I can see Gasol ending up there for some reason takes a good bit off my mind, and not only that, but Rick Sund was the one trying to do the Josh Smith/Gasol trade so Danny Ferry has nothing to do with that so stop talking about any trades involving the Lakers or Pau Gasol.

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I can see Steve Nash, Devin Harris, even OJ Mayo(expensive) as targets for Hawks.

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O’Brien

Josh is getting attention, but the offers have been weak…No way will LA give up a 7ft pf for a undersized pf who completely takes his team out of the offense with bad shots and turnovers..Al is a better PF and marvin is a better sf ….A player like Bass is the most the awks would get in return

Rod from College Park

Jamal Crawford cut into his attempts alot..What a ballhog!…Josh decided that instead of focusing on rebounding and defense, he needed to shoot more so he could make the Eastern Conference All Star team..Joe playing on the ball due to our lack of pg has hurt Marvin…..not many wings in the NBA would average over 14ppg with the Hawks..just not enough shot attempts playing alongside Joe, Josh and the lack of a good pg…..I seriously doubt the Hawks have ever tried to trade Marvin, management understands what the problems are, and it starts with the two highest paid guys on the team…

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@ it was not a bad pick

While you are correct on who cut into Marvin’s shot attempts, Marvin ALLOWED those guys to take shots away from them, by not knocking down a high percentage of his open looks. The guy was honestly a better offensive player when his game was limited to 21 foot midrange jumpers and slashes to the basket to get fouled.

My thing last season is that there was no way in hell his minutes and shots should’ve been reduced, in favor of playing guys like Vlad and T-Mac ( who should’ve been playing at the 2 with Marvin at the 3 when the 2nd unit was on the floor ). Marvin played well enough last year to get 30 minutes a night, but Drew tried to play too many unproductive guys off the bench.

Last year, his 3 point shot was good, but his midrange jumper was completely off for some reason. While I don’t agree that Marvin is complete garbage ( like some on here believe ), he does have to make more of his open looks. He needs to have more performances like he had in Games 5 and 6 in the playoffs. That needs to be the norm, not the exception.

That’s why the Hawks drafted Jenkins. If he can consistently make the open shots that Marvin couldn’t, that would help the offense. And if Marvin doesn’t knock down open looks, a guy like Jenkins can step right in and take shots away from him.

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I have two trade possibilities:

Trade #1-Hawks get Rudy Gay, Tony Allen, and O.J. Mayo. Grizzlies get Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams. The Grizzlies want to move Mayo and Gay. The trade works on the Trade Machine.

Trade #2-Hawks get Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka, and Perry Jones. The Thunder get Josh Smith and Mike Scott. The trade works on the Trade Machine. Josh Smith would be awesome in the Thunder’s line up.

I like trade #2 best.

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NORTHCYDE-MBarnes of the Lakers is an UFA that could definitely fill that DEF wing off the bench role. I posed that JSmith and MWilliams for Gasol trade over a wk ago. We end up getting a quality starter at C for Josh and Marvin, and we drop $19M off the books after Gasol becomes a FA after the 2013-14 season.

As far as the bench is concerned, it depends on why we drafted Scott. Was he drafted to be an eventual replacement for Josh, or to provide a cheaper alternative off the bench to IJohnson. If we resign Ivan before or after this trade, we’d end up with a 4 headed center with Gasol, Zaza, Horford, and Ivan. We’d also end up with tremendous depth at PF with Horford, Gasol, Ivan and Scott.

With the versatility of this lineup, we won’t have to carry anymore dead weight like Collins and Dampier, like we’ve been doing. I’d resign WGreen, JPargo, and maybe another PG and/or SG/SF combo, or center. Drew’s motion OFF would have a better chance of becoming more functional with 1 of the 2 road blocks(JSmith)to consistent ball and player movement removed.

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“Ivan cannot (even with all his good qualities) become a shot-maker to stretch and space the floor.” -Granddad

When our starters decided they did not want to play on national television against the Heat Ivan came in and made shots.

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***** privilege *****

!!!!!!! caught it !!!!!!!

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Preaching to the choir Ken. I’ve been talking about the Josh + Marvin for Gasol move ever since we got beat vs Boston. The team needs a shakeup and an opportunity to see if we can get more production out of players like Teague and Horford.

Without Horford here, there’s no way I’d trade Josh. But with Horford here, you have a guy who can immediately replace the overall production of Josh + plus add an equal high producing guy in Gasol. And I agree that those two in place would eliminate the need for the Hawks to go to the Dollar Store and stock up on useless big men like Collins and Dampier. Zaza becomes the 3rd center, while both Horford and Gasol see decent time at PF ( if the minutes are managed right ). Ivan or Scott becomes the 4th frontline guy, getting 10 – 15 minutes a night

PF: Horford ( 24 ) – Gasol ( 12 ) – Ivan/Scott ( 12 )

C: Gasol ( 20 ) – Zaza ( 20 ) – Horford ( 8 )

Or you could simply rely on your top 3 big men on a nightly basis

PF: Horford ( 20 ) – Gasol ( 22 ) – Ivan/Scott ( 6 )

C: Gasol ( 12 ) – Zaza ( 24 ) – Horford ( 12 )

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Granddad,
I to am IMPRESSED with Scott and his fluid shot. I was thinking Robert Horey when I saw Scott in the Vegas trials. Kid has a SWEET, hard to block shot. If he has the heart of a Horey as well, we got a STEAL in the 2n’d.

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“Marvin played well enough last year to get 30 minutes a night, but Drew tried to play too many unproductive guys off the bench.”

SMH. LOL

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@ Jason S

I just feel like you can get more from Bulls than those pieces like Deng and Noah for Josh instead is all.

@ It was not a bad pick

Dude Marvin sucks okay it’s plan and simple he sucks so bad no one wants to trade for him only two teams have come forward saying they have interest while many more have come out the woods saying their interested in Josh Smith.

Lakers, Boston, Nets(more than likely to pair with Howard), Rockets, Magic, even T-wolves at one point.

Marvin only interested teams Golden St. and Cavs. YAWNNNN!

Marvin is a bust and complete and utter scrub when someone like Willie Green and basically produce the same amount as you especially when you’re a starter you effectively suck.

Marvin made have had a better PPG on the stat line, but 7.6 on Willie Green vs. Marvin’s 10.2 not many people will notice the difference.

Plus Willie Green had a better 3PT statline than even Marvin the greatest 3PT shooter in the world to people riding his jock strap.

DUDE IS A BUST HE’S GARBAGE.

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When thinking about Hinrich, Atlanta can always work a sign and trade deal with the Lakers for part of the Odom trade exception. The move preserves their mid-level exception. If the Hawks can squeeze a draft pick out of the deal, then great. Worth noting though, the trade exception created for the Hawks would only be useful if we find some cap space within the year.

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I hate LD,if Ivan doesn’t come back we can blame the idiot.

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If dumping salary is the Hawks goal, does anyone think the Timberwolves would be interested in swapping Joe for a pick? Yeah, the Hawks would take a step back the coming year with that move, but think of the cap space that would be open for the year after (assuming the Hawks don’t make long term commitments to mediocre players this year).

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Northcyde,

You must feel good about what Memphis is doing.

From their commercial appeal;

The Grizzlies have made veteran sharpshooter Ray Allen a prime offseason target and planned to contact him late Saturday night in the first step of what promises to be a strong pursuit of the NBA’s all-time leading three-point shooter.

“We’re on the cusp of competing for a championship and now is the time to make a strong push,” Heisley said. “I think anybody would be interested in looking at this team right now.”.

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The problem with Jenkins, as some have said, is he could have been had 10 picks later. Worse yet, Doron Lamb was a MUCH better player overall than Jenkins. Lamb can drive and finish layups, floaters or short jumpers. Lamb plays better defense too. I just don’t get the love for Jenkins. He shoots good, but he’ll never, ever make a starter in the NBA. He is just not athletic enough.

I cannot believe Jenkins went before Lamb. Worse yet, I can’t believe Jenkins went before his own versatile and athletic teammate, Taylor. Taylor could play 3 positions and shoots reasonably well.

Jenkins is a #40 ranked prospect being a “steal” at 23 in the minds of Larry Drew and Danny Ferry. Same old Hawks is an understatement.

You know what this reminds me of… the Sheldon Williams “steal”. He didn’t do a whole lot well either and the Hawks got him at what, pick 8, when they could have gotten him at pick 25 or so.

At least trade down and get SOMETHING (get rid of a salary, get a first round pick in 2015, or second round pick in 2013…anything).

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Yep, defensively challenged streak shooters like Jodie Meeks are a dime a dozen. Too bad we spent our first round pick on one when a backup center (Ezeli), backup point guard (Teague), potential future starter (PJ3) and defensive small forward (Jeff Taylor) were available.

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I am so glad Sund got fired. What an idiot trying to trade Smoove. our best player. I like the fact that Danny Ferry is more incline to trade Al hoford and go after a real center.

Good for you Danny.

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I’m sitting here refreshing this thread and hoops hype waiting to hear if Ivan was extended a xo. If they refuse to even try to retain a proven rotation player backing up three positions for a sub-veteran’s-minimum salary, that could be the last straw for me.

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Good job Danny! A+ for the draft picks.

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Been working on this most of the afternoon, with it being 107 degrees in Tennessee. Still 105 as I type this. Fug going outside until about 9 ( when it will still be 95 degrees ).

Possible typical game rotation ( 10 man rotation ) if Smith + Marvin for Gasol is done:

Possible main rotation Bench additions:

- Andre Miller ( PG ) . . add for 3 mill/yr
- Willie Green ( SG ) . . vet min . . 854K
- Matt Barnes ( SF ) . . vet min . . 854K
- Mike Scott ( PF ) . . 2nd rd pick . . 500K

Rest of bench players are cheap, young undrafted FAs costing 500K apiece. Maybe add another vet min at 854K.

Substitutions are in BOLD

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Start of game to 7:00 mark

PG: Teague ( 5 minutes played )
G: Jenkins ( 5 )
F: Johnson ( 5 )
PF: Horford ( 5 )
C: Gasol ( 5 )

7:00 mark to 3:00 timeout ( 1st quarter )

PG: Teague ( 9 )
G: Jenkins ( 9 )
F: Johnson ( 9 )
PF: Horford ( 9 )
C: Zaza ( 4 )

3:00 timeout to end of 1st quarter

PG: Miller ( 3 )
G: Green ( 3 )
F: Barnes ( 3 )
PF: Gasol ( 5 min C – 3 min PF )
C: Zaza ( 7 )

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Start of 2nd quarter to 9:00 timeout

PG: Miller ( 6 )
G: Green ( 6 )
F: Barnes ( 6 )
PF: Scott ( 3 )
C: Gasol ( 8 min C – 3 min PF )

9:00 timeout to 6:00 timeout ( 2nd quarter )

PG: Miller ( 9 )
G: Johnson ( 9 min F – 3 min SG )
F: Barnes ( 9 )
PF: Scott ( 6 )
C: Horford ( 9 min PF – 3 min C )

6:00 timeout to 3:00 timeout ( 2nd quarter )

PG: Teague ( 12 )
G: Miller ( 9 min PG – 3 min SG ) . .
F: Johnson ( 12 min SF – 3 min SG )
PF: Horford ( 12 min PF – 3 min C )
C: Gasol ( 11 min C – 3 min PF )

3:00 timeout to halftime

PG: Teague ( 15 )
G: Jenkins ( 12 )
F: Johnson ( 15 min SF – 3 min SG )
PF: Gasol ( 11 min C – 6 min PF )
C: Horford ( 12 min PF – 6 min C )

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1st half minute distribution

Johnson: ( 18 )
Horford: ( 18 )
Gasol: ( 17 )
Teague: ( 15 )
Jenkins: ( 12 )

Miller: ( 12 )
Barnes: ( 9 )
Zaza: ( 7 )
Scott: ( 6 )
Green: ( 6 )

( Drew sometimes likes to do like Woody, and sub out most of the key starters under the 2 minute mark, and let the reserves finish the quarter. I actually hate that he does it, but he does it. So some of the minutes of the starters may be reduced by a minute or two )

2nd half breakdown is next.

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Halftime to 7:00 timeout ( 3rd quarter )

PG: Teague ( 20 )
G: Jenkins ( 17 )
F: Johnson ( 20 min SF – 3 min SG )
PF: Horford ( 17 min PF – 6 min C )
C: Gasol ( 16 min C – 6 min PF )

7:00 to 3:00 timeout ( 3rd quarter )

PG: Teague ( 24 )
G: Johnson ( 20 min SF – 7 min SG )
F: Barnes ( 13 )
PF: Gasol ( 16 min C – 10 min PF )
C: Zaza ( 11 )

3:00 to end of 3rd quarter

PG: Miller ( 12 min PG – 3 min SG )
G: Green ( 9 )
F: Barnes ( 16 )
PF: Gasol ( 16 min C – 13 min PF )
C: Zaza ( 14 )

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Start of 4th to 9:00 timeout

PG: Miller ( 15 min PG – 3 min SG )
G: Jenkins ( 20 )
F: Barnes ( 19 )
PF: Horford ( 20 min PF – 6 min C )
C: Zaza ( 17 )

9:00 to 6:00 timeout ( 4th quarter )

PG: Teague ( 27 )
G: Jenkins ( 23 )
F: Johnson ( 23 min SF – 7 SG )
PF: Horford ( 23 min PF – 6 min C )
C: Zaza ( 20 )

6:00 to 3:00 timeout ( 4th quarter )

PG: Teague ( 30 )
G: Jenkins ( 26 )
F: Johnson ( 26 min SF – 7 min SG )
PF: Horford ( 26 min PF – 6 min C )
C: Gasol ( 19 min C – 13 min PF )

3:00 to end of 4th quarter

PG: Teague ( 33 )
G: Miller ( 15 min PG – 6 min SG )
F: Johnson ( 29 min SG – 7 min SG )
PF: Horford ( 29 min PF – 6 min C )
C: Gasol ( 22 min C – 13 min PF )

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Total Minutes

PG: Teague ( 33 ) – Miller ( 15 )
G: Jenkins ( 26 ) – Green ( 9 ) – Johnson ( 7 ) – Miller ( 6 )
F: Johnson ( 29 ) – Barnes ( 19 )
PF: Horford ( 29 ) – Gasol ( 13 ) – Scott ( 6 )
C: Gasol ( 22 ) – Zaza ( 20 ) – Horford ( 6 )

Johnson ( 36 )
Horford ( 35 )
Gasol ( 35 )
Teague ( 33 )
Jenkins ( 26 )

Miller ( 21 )
Barnes ( 19 )
Zaza ( 17 )
Green ( 9 )
Scott ( 9 )

* Lineup can be tweaked to give people like Zaza, Miller or Barnes more minutes if need be, if the young guys aren’t ready for heavy responsibility.

* Miller can effectively play the 2 in certain situations, and may come in handy as an additional post up option when playing PG. Successfully played the 2 alongside Lawson @ Denver.

* If Scott can play some 3 on the defensive end in this lineup, that would be big time, and may see his minutes increase.

* Joe Johnson would have to be more of a rebounder with this group, unless Gasol, Horford, and Zaza can just dominate the boards, which would actually be a good possibility.

I could see both Gasol and Horford averaging 10 boards a game, with Zaza in the 5 – 6 rebound range ( for the minutes he’s playing. Still, it would be nice if JJ could get back around 5 boards a game with this group, especially with him getting heavy minutes at SF.

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If Joe and Marvin are getting paid so much Danny Ferry should work at restructuring their contracts. What ever he does,he shouldn’t trade Josh, Al, or Jeff. Gasol is getting old and he can’t run the floor like Josh.

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Hoopsworld has created their list of the steals of 2012 draft. I wonder why John Jenkins didn’t make their list? I see PJ3 did….LOL

http://www.hoopsworld.com/the-steals-of-the-2012-nba-draft

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@ Sameba . . . well that means you’re weren’t a Hawks fan to begin with. One player is not bigger than the team as a whole. If you root for the Hawks because of a certain player, cool. But you’re probably not the type of fan that the team needs to appeal to anyway.

@ bama . . . no way should Marvin’s contract be restructured. We either need to trade him away, amnesty him, or just play it out. To extend the contract means that we’d keep him around for 3 or 4 more years. Unless he becomes a truly “lights out” shooter, the Hawks shouldn’t keep Marvin around for that length of time, even if it does make our cap situation a little better.

As for JJ, the answer to that question is here:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

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northcyde I have the following issues with your rotation.

1. Ivan Johnson is listed

2. It still shows Willie Green, one of the most marginal players in the NBA, in the rotation

3. It assumes that Scott will make the team and/or ever see an NBA floor

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FYI, the amnesty period for the remaining 23 teams who haven’t used their amnesty rights runs from July 11 to the 17th this year.

Notables that could be amnestied:

Blather / Calderon / Childress / Haywood / Salmons / Tyrus Thomas are the examples given tonight. Calderon is the only one of the bunch with 1 year left….all the others have at least 3.
Marvin’s fits this perfectly.

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northcyde:

Well, I started be a Hawks fan only a year ago, when learned that Zaza was playing there… From what I saw during the last year, can be described by a simple formulae: Hawks=Josh, and vice versa. Due to him, Hawks got its own identity, which I like. This team has two major problems, that has to be dealt with, and were mentioned before by bama52. What concerns your statements on types of fan I am: it is up to you, I do not care what you think about this;-)

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Enter your comments hereHollis Thompson and sims both out of georgetown would be nice additions.

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Scott machado, Hollis Thompson, Henry sims would be some nice additions.

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Can the Hawks trade Larry Drew for northcyde?

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I Lol’d Jason S

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@Sautee

“…So I ask again about this quote:

“GM Ferry will move a good player with some attitude issues like Josh Smith but will look to keep an overrated, mediocre player like Kirk Hinrich.” – High-Sider

What are you basing this accusation on? If you have no problems discussing race, then this should be easy.” – Sautee @10:16am dated 6/30/2012

Can’t I have a hunch? Do I always need evidence to make an assertion on this blog. BTW, I have given you the dates and times of the posts in question. If you can’t find my posts in question, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

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Melvin . . that’s my point. We’re all just giving opinions. There are a lot of established sportswriters who don’t have a clue ( Chad Ford comes to mind ).

I’m not discrediting his blog . . totally. I’m just saying that just because a writer for a website says certain guys are “steals”, doesn’t make them “steals”. His definition of a “steal” is a guy who went lower than projected, and fell to a team that might could use him.

A lot of guys are over or underrated due to their athletic ability or size. That’s what makes the NBA draft one of the more unpredictable drafts in sports. Teams will take a guy like Hasheem Thabeet at #2, based solely on size and potential, and not on playing ability.

Those same teams will bypass on guys like Isaiah Thomas ( the new Isaiah, PG for Sacramento ) because he’s too little ( listed at 5-11, but was really 5-8.75 without shoes ). The bottom line is that one could ball, and the other was a “potential” pick. Guess which one was the baller?

Thomas pretty much took ALL of Jimmer Fredette’s minutes as the backup PG, then became the starting PG, leaving Jimmer in the dust. Jimmer is rapidly becoming the next Salim Stoudamire, while Isaiah is already a better shooting version of Nate Robinson, with better PG skills.

Most of these blogging sportswriters are just that . . writers who have an opinion. It doesn’t mean that they’re right.

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“Can’t I have a hunch?” – High-Sider

Of course you can, but in this case you didn’t indicate that it was: hunch, opinion, your take, seems to you, IMHO, or any other rejoinder that admitted that the quote wasn’t a statement of fact, but was how you personally feel.

But IF you make it appear (as you did) that it is a statement of fact, then be prepared to show what evidence you are going by. Maybe it seems small to you, but it seemed to me like a major slam on Ferry for no good reason. If it was your opinion, or a “hunch”, perhaps you should have said so.

OK, got it?

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I forgot.

Jimmer went 7th to the Kings in last year’s draft

Thomas went dead last, the #60 pick in the 2nd round.

Thomas had a better season than more hyped guards Jimmer, Kemba Walker, and even #2 pick Derrick Williams. The only guys he didn’t flat out outperform were Kyrie Irving, Kenneth Faried and Brandon Knight. Pretty good for a severly undersized, and completely overlooked prospect last year.

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Farmar, Morrow, and Petro make about $12M. That’s a start!!!

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Just Joe,

Source?

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The Brooklyn Nets and the Atlanta Hawks are currently having talks to possibly trade All-Star guard Joe Johnson so he could be paired with Nets free-agent guard Deron Williams, Yahoo! Sports reports.

Williams reportedly will meet with the Dallas Mavericks on Monday.

Of course, this deal is dependent on Williams re-signing a deal with the Nets. Johnson, a six-time All-Star, has played 12 seasons with the Celtics, Suns and Hawks and averaged 18.8 points a game for the Hawks last season.

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wow, I saw that too Just Joe, Yahoo sports saying Brooklyn wants Joe Johnson.

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MC saying Hawks considering several trades. None close. Is Ferry about to start over?

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How bad would that be if Joe Johnson , Josh Smith and D12 end up in Brooklyn and may win championship Hawks appear to heading for rebuilding under Ferry .

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Would a third team have to come in for the deal to happen? I don’t think Brooklyn currently has enough salary on the team to make that deal happen with Wallace and Humphrey being a unrestricted free agent, and Brook Lopez being a restricted free agent. Either way, I hope the Hawks would be getting Marshawn Brooks back in the deal.

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This is coming from @WojYahoo Twitter feed. This could get interesting!

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Don’t get me wrong be great to get rid of Joe contract just hope we get something for him .

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Hawks and Nets talking JJ?

I’d give up my left nut for this to happen.

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