Atlanta Hawks: Danny Ferry looking to trade but avoid the tax
Danny Ferry didn’t make the decisions that led to the Hawks owing $61 million in salaries next season to six veteran players on a team that’s topped out in the second round of the playoffs.
But now that’s he’s Hawks GM, Ferry will have to build a roster for next season without much financial flexibility. And he will have to start doing it pretty much on the fly because the free-agent negotiating period opens Sunday, less than a week after he took the job.
“It’s a crash course, for sure,” Ferry said. “I think we want to make the best decisions possible in the short term. We want to make right decisions, whether it’s a trade, whether it’s free agency. But especially trades.”
The trade market remains the best way for the Hawks to make significant additions to the roster (which of course means they’d also have to make significant subtractions).
They continue to get a lot of calls about Josh Smith but the impetus for pursuing Pau Gasol came from Rick Sund and Ferry so far hasn’t taken that baton. Ferry hasn’t even had a chance to fully assess the roster or meet the players.
Smith has a lot of value as a talented and productive player on a reasonable contract that expires after next season. Al Horford is an attractive piece, too, because he’s an All-Star big man locked up for four years and $48 million. Good luck dealing Joe Johnson with four years and $90 million remaining on his contract.
(Aside: I’ve heard some of my blog people wonder if Ferry will be “allowed” to trade Marvin Williams. Please accept that the Hawks have tried to trade Williams for at least two years and no one is biting. That shouldn’t be hard to do since you don’t want him on your team at his salary, either.)
If the Hawks don’t make a trade, then they’ll have to find some value on the free-agent market and perhaps get some contributions from unheralded rookies.
After signing first-round draft pick John Jenkins, Atlanta will have roughly $62 million in salaries committed to seven players. If second-round pick Mike Scott makes the roster and sticks for the year, that’s another $473,604. Ferry said he hasn’t decided if he will extend a qualifying offer to Ivan Johnson; if the Hawks do so and Johnson ends up playing on that deal, add about $1 million.
That’s about $63.5 million dollars for nine players. The roster minimum is 13 and the maximum is 15. The salary cap next season will be no less than $58 million. The luxury-tax threshold last season was $70.3 million and won’t rise significantly unless the players and league agree on a big increase in projected BRI for next season.
So, basically, the Hawks likely will have somewhere in the neighborhood of $6.5 to $9 million of room below the tax line to sign four to six players. Ferry said he’s authorized to spend into the tax but would like to avoid doing so.
“I want to build a roster that has some flexibility to it,” Ferry said. “Ownership has told me when appropriate, that when going over the tax makes sense as far as making us a better team, that is something we would be allowed to do. I want to use that judiciously, though, when you are given that opportunity to do so.
“In this new CBA, some of the challenges when being over the tax as far as trade restrictions as far as exceptions available to you going forward have changed the spending habits in the NBA. Would I think over the next few years we would go over the tax? I think there is a good chance but, again, I want to do that in a judicious manner.”
Ferry is talking about the more-punitive tax penalties that begin in 2012-13. Teams over the threshold will pay a higher tax; will have a smaller mid-level exception and no bi-annual exception; can’t take as much salary back in trades; and won’t be able to receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they are $4 million or more above the tax level.
Translation for the Hawks: Ferry can use the mid-level and bi-annual exceptions and make the Hawks tax-payers again but he’d better be sure he’s signing players that put the Hawks over the top.
“If the belief was it was going to make us a lot better, those things are on the table whether now or later in the year,” Ferry said. “The dollar amount certainly is a parameter as it relates to the tax. You’d prefer not to go over it. But right time, right trade, right thing [then] ownership, Bruce Levenson, has told me that if it’s appropriate and right and it would really make a difference we would have the ability to do so.
“I want to say with that I don’t think it’s always the right thing to go over the tax because of the rule and because of the way things operate. Most teams are never one player away. I think that’s a mistake sometimes teams make. We are going to look at opportunities and make a decision.”
The opportunities will be there for the Hawks on the trade market. There’s a sense of urgency because free agency opens in a couple days but Ferry said he plans to stay patient.
“Every player we may like, [the process] will take its own pace,” he said. “We will have some control over that but the players will have some control over that, as well. So we are going to make our calls on July 1, we are going to explore every option and hopefully we can make good decisions.
“Honestly, last year–I know I keep crediting Rick–but I thought they did a pretty nice job filling out their roster from where they were. Hopefully we can find avenues to do as well, [and] hopefully even better.”
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
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O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
12:43 pm
It was not a bad pick,
I wonder why MC never mentions that no one really wants Josh and that he is VERY overpaid..?..If Josh was so great, teams would be knocking the door down to get him.
Did you not read the blog? See MC’s comments from above;
They continue to get a lot of calls about Josh Smith. but the impetus for pursuing Pau Gasol came from Rick Sund and Ferry so far hasn’t taken that baton. Ferry hasn’t even had a chance to fully assess the roster or meet the players.
Smith has a lot of value as a talented and productive player on a reasonable contract that expires after next season...
But your eyes see what they want to, not what is real.
Jason S
June 30th, 2012
12:45 pm
Hawks-Bulls-Rockets
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dctawn
Trade frees up approx. $2 million this year and gives even more cap flexibility in the near future. Hawks don’t improve with this trade, but (a) the Hawks don’t get worse (as measured by play off success) and (b) the Hawks gain more cap flexibility going forward.
Both the Bulls and the Rockets get slightly better with this trade, so they are interested. Ideally, Hawks would get a future 1st round pick from either the Bulls or the Rockets, but I don’t know if the Bulls or Rockets would be willing to do so.
Rod from College Park
June 30th, 2012
12:47 pm
“Marvin was a 14ppg player on one of the top 8 teams in the NBA until his shots declined”
So I wonder why his shots declined? Who was responsible for him getting those 14 points? Can he create his own shot? Do teams fear Marvin Williams when they play the Hawks?
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
12:48 pm
It was not a bad pick,
Rod from College Park,
“Where was Marvin in games 1, 2, 3 and 4? He didnt get the ball.
iwnabp,
In game 1? Marvin went 1-5 from the field. Game 2? 1-6 from the field. Game 3? 1-6. Game 4? 2-6. So although he did not get many shots, he went 5-23, 22%. You could probably shoot 22%, especially when you’re open
Rod from College Park
June 30th, 2012
12:50 pm
“Gasol would allow us to be a much more balanced and effective half court OFF team.”
Might be true, but what would happen defensively? Answer = Layup line.
DAMN
June 30th, 2012
12:51 pm
Jenkins=stephen curry
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
12:51 pm
iwnabp,
From Marc Stein on espn.com;
Teams have been calling the Atlanta Hawks all week to register trade interest in swingman Josh Smith, according to sources close to the situation..
I don’t know about you, but the impression I get is teams are interested in Josh Smith.
darrell starks
June 30th, 2012
12:56 pm
Ken, why would the Hawks take on Joe and Gasol contract, that more cap casualty.
Hawks are not doing that.
Joe
2012 $ 19, 752, 645
2013 $ 21, 466, 718
Gasol
2012 $ 19, 000, 000
2013 $ 19, 285, 850
That 40mill for 2years for players.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 30th, 2012
12:58 pm
Ken, 40 mill a year for 2 players, and neither guys a superstar, SMH
Dum trade for the Hawks.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
1:03 pm
Rod from College Park,
“Gasol would allow us to be a much more balanced and effective half court OFF team.”
Might be true, but what would happen defensively? Answer = Layup line..
Our biggest problem in the playoffs was half-court offense. Gasol would help there. I agree our defense would not be as good, but if the Lakers take Marvin too, then we can at least try and sign one or 2 defensive bench players to help (like Pietrus, another G or a defensive big).
And imo, defense begins on the perimeter. That’s one reason I would have been ok with drafting Jeff Taylor out of Vanderbilt. At least he makes a committment to play defense.
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
1:05 pm
Darrell starks,
Since Josh is a free agent after this season, and there has been rumors he wants out (he has done or said nothing to deny these rumors), what do you think the Hawks should do with Josh?
Keep him for another year, and risk him walking away for nothing next offseason (when he will get a raise that the ASG cant afford anyway)? Or should they find a trade for him?
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
1:08 pm
From nypost.com;
The Knicks desperately need veteran backcourt help and with their $3 million mid-level exception should be in the mix for point guards Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Raymond Felton, Jameer Nelson and shooting guard Ray Allen..
Will the market for these guys really be in the $3 mil range? If I am the Hawks, I would go after Andre Miller.
darrell starks
June 30th, 2012
1:17 pm
O’Brien
Me if im the Hawks i would keep Josh for one more year, if he stay then Hawks are in good shape, i he leave thing that 13mil of Cap.
Hawks still would be good shape if Josh walk after next year.
Josh 13mill Zaza 6mill
19mill of your cap.
Give Danny more flexibility to make more moves.
The Ball will be in Josh Court after 2013.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 30th, 2012
1:24 pm
O’Brien
What about Joe for Gasol or Amare ?
Woody love him self some Joe Johnson, why not reunite the Both ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 30th, 2012
1:27 pm
O’Brien
I have always been and Amare Fan, he would look real good with Horford and Josh.
Amare would bring leader ship 2 Hawks.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
June 30th, 2012
1:36 pm
Dawg
I`m not trying to intrude.
But;
I must defend High-Sider or perhaps you were referring to myself.
This is an open blog, sure it is on Hawks topic, but,
one has the option to scroll.
H-S is mostly on topic with the Hwks, it`s just that conversation
has expanded which is not necessarily a bad thing.
I mean how many times can one say:
” Joe has a bad contract ” ?
If H-S, myself, Sautee or anyone else for that matter;
bores you – just scroll on.
I`m not trying to be a smart ass.
Seriously & Respectfully,
G-dad
TNScott
June 30th, 2012
1:47 pm
Would it be possible for the Hawks to trade Marvin and Joe and pay a significant portion of their salaries for next year to bribe somebody to take them off of our hands?
Ray
June 30th, 2012
1:59 pm
@ Jason S
As much as I don’t like the Gasol for Smith Trade
I don’t want a damn thing to do with CARLOS BOOZER AT ALL!
Unless Noah and Deng are coming back via trade with Josh I’m not interested.
Marvin can be traded just got to find the right people Golden St. and Cleveland are two people that are interested.
Horford is a bigger possibility to be traded when you think about it the past season with only Josh and Joe of the three captains they got to around the same seeding and same record(if adjusted for 82 game season). Without Horford.
I’d still rather keep Horford though if at all possible.
Ray
June 30th, 2012
2:11 pm
Oh and BTW ESPN reporting
T-wolves trying to get Pau Gasol and also Rockets are shopping Luis Scola just to add.
I can see Gasol ending up there for some reason takes a good bit off my mind, and not only that, but Rick Sund was the one trying to do the Josh Smith/Gasol trade so Danny Ferry has nothing to do with that so stop talking about any trades involving the Lakers or Pau Gasol.
Ray
June 30th, 2012
2:13 pm
Now Devin Harris is someone we could pursue maybe Jazz take Marvin for a straight up trade.
Ray
June 30th, 2012
2:14 pm
I can see Steve Nash, Devin Harris, even OJ Mayo(expensive) as targets for Hawks.
Ray
June 30th, 2012
2:19 pm
Also another thing what of Johnny Flynn? What do you guys think of him I bet he can at least be had for a low cost and is an upgrade over Pargo we know that for sure.
It was not a bad pick
June 30th, 2012
2:26 pm
O’Brien
Josh is getting attention, but the offers have been weak…No way will LA give up a 7ft pf for a undersized pf who completely takes his team out of the offense with bad shots and turnovers..Al is a better PF and marvin is a better sf ….A player like Bass is the most the awks would get in return
Rod from College Park
Jamal Crawford cut into his attempts alot..What a ballhog!…Josh decided that instead of focusing on rebounding and defense, he needed to shoot more so he could make the Eastern Conference All Star team..Joe playing on the ball due to our lack of pg has hurt Marvin…..not many wings in the NBA would average over 14ppg with the Hawks..just not enough shot attempts playing alongside Joe, Josh and the lack of a good pg…..I seriously doubt the Hawks have ever tried to trade Marvin, management understands what the problems are, and it starts with the two highest paid guys on the team…
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
2:29 pm
@ Ken Strickland 10:44am
Now that’s a hell of a plan. If the Hawks could pull that off, that would be big time. You’d switch Smith for Gasol AND add Ray Allen? That would be big time right there. Allen would be a damn good mentor for John Jenkins and may help his transition to the NBA tremendously.
As for the trade, it would have to be Josh + either Marvin or Zaza for Gasol. Because of that, I would want a 1st round pick thrown in by the Lakers as well. If not, I still may do the deal, just to shake up the team.
STARTERS
PG – Teague
SG – Allen
SF – Johnson
PF – Horford
C – Gasol
Constructing the bench with this lineup needs to be mixed with defensive minded players who we can insert into the lineup to mix and match with the starters.
Current Bench
PG –
SG – Jenkins
SF – Marvin ( if not traded )
PF – Scott
C – Zaza ( if not traded )
When you look at that lineup, we’d need a wing defender or two, a backup PG, and another big man or two. If Zaza is the one to go, you definitely add 2 bigs ( and not non-motivated Hasheem Thabeet . . he may be out of the league this year ). If Marvin is the one to go, you add two wings.
It would be good if we could add a big like a Marcus Camby to come off the bench. You’d at least be assured of high level rebounding and increased rim protection at the position. Problem is, he’s never been a real good position defender. But if you’re simply looking for a rebounding and shot blocking big, he should be a target for the Hawks.
Would he sign a vet minimum contract? I doubt it. May have to pay him 3 mill next year to secure him. Heck, the same may go for Allen. I don’t know if he’s playing for the vet minimum either . . not in ATL at least.
As far as a wing goes, I hate to say this, but Damien Wilkins may be the type of guy the Hawks will bring back to ATL. He’d be used strictly for defensive purposes only, which may limit his time on the court. Probably a better guy to go after is Marquis Daniels. He’s “Mr. Glass” though.
At PG, the type of guy we could probably afford, is someone like Keyon Dooling. But with Ferry on board, I say that he makes a run at the PG that he brought in last year for San Antonio . . Patrick ( Patty ) Mills. That dude shot the ball very well when given minutes last year. I’m sure Ferry has his eye on him, with promises that he’d get more PT in ATL than he would in San Antonio next year. So I say that he’s our new backup PG.
Honestly, the Hawks focus shouldn’t be on assembling the best 1 – 14 lineup in the league, it should be assembling the most balanced 1 – 9 lineup in the league. To me, the fringe guys shouldn’t even matter as much as people want them to. We have guys on this squad who can play multiple positions, so simply give us 9 guys who we can possibly count on, and go from there.
Smith + Marvin for Gasol + 1st round pick
PG: Teague
G: Allen
F: Johnson
PF: Horford
C: Gasol
Bench
PG: Patty Mills
G: Jenkins
F: Marquis Daniels
PG: Marcus Camby
C: Zaza
Smith + Zaza for Gasol + 1st round pick
PG: Teague
G: Allen
F: Johnson
PF: Horford
C: Gasol
Bench
PG: Patty Mills
G: Jenkins
F: Marvin
PF: Scott ( but should be Ivan )
C: Marcus Camby
I still say with Gasol in the mix and his ability to play center, Zaza is expendible. Just find 2 decent producing PFs to put in the lineup during the times that Horford and Gasol play center. But Marvin should be the one that is traded, to get out from under his contract. But if they don’t want Marvin, and would rather prefer Zaza, then you give them Zaza.
The decision not to include Zaza in a trade like that should NOT be a deal breaker.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
2:53 pm
@ it was not a bad pick
While you are correct on who cut into Marvin’s shot attempts, Marvin ALLOWED those guys to take shots away from them, by not knocking down a high percentage of his open looks. The guy was honestly a better offensive player when his game was limited to 21 foot midrange jumpers and slashes to the basket to get fouled.
My thing last season is that there was no way in hell his minutes and shots should’ve been reduced, in favor of playing guys like Vlad and T-Mac ( who should’ve been playing at the 2 with Marvin at the 3 when the 2nd unit was on the floor ). Marvin played well enough last year to get 30 minutes a night, but Drew tried to play too many unproductive guys off the bench.
Last year, his 3 point shot was good, but his midrange jumper was completely off for some reason. While I don’t agree that Marvin is complete garbage ( like some on here believe ), he does have to make more of his open looks. He needs to have more performances like he had in Games 5 and 6 in the playoffs. That needs to be the norm, not the exception.
That’s why the Hawks drafted Jenkins. If he can consistently make the open shots that Marvin couldn’t, that would help the offense. And if Marvin doesn’t knock down open looks, a guy like Jenkins can step right in and take shots away from him.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
3:03 pm
When is the deadline for Ivan’s Qualifying Offer to be issued to him? It’s 3pm in the East right now.
In other news, Garnett re-ups with the Celtics at 3yrs – 34 million. Wow @ the amount of money he got.
Ferry, you have got to make moves that will put us nearer to Miami and Boston.
Hoops
June 30th, 2012
3:09 pm
I have two trade possibilities:
Trade #1-Hawks get Rudy Gay, Tony Allen, and O.J. Mayo. Grizzlies get Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams. The Grizzlies want to move Mayo and Gay. The trade works on the Trade Machine.
Trade #2-Hawks get Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka, and Perry Jones. The Thunder get Josh Smith and Mike Scott. The trade works on the Trade Machine. Josh Smith would be awesome in the Thunder’s line up.
I like trade #2 best.
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
3:21 pm
My bad . . I guess the deadline was last night. So Ivan is unrestricted. It’ll be interesting to see who goes after him. Watch he go to Miami.
Ken Strickland
June 30th, 2012
3:29 pm
NORTHCYDE-MBarnes of the Lakers is an UFA that could definitely fill that DEF wing off the bench role. I posed that JSmith and MWilliams for Gasol trade over a wk ago. We end up getting a quality starter at C for Josh and Marvin, and we drop $19M off the books after Gasol becomes a FA after the 2013-14 season.
As far as the bench is concerned, it depends on why we drafted Scott. Was he drafted to be an eventual replacement for Josh, or to provide a cheaper alternative off the bench to IJohnson. If we resign Ivan before or after this trade, we’d end up with a 4 headed center with Gasol, Zaza, Horford, and Ivan. We’d also end up with tremendous depth at PF with Horford, Gasol, Ivan and Scott.
With the versatility of this lineup, we won’t have to carry anymore dead weight like Collins and Dampier, like we’ve been doing. I’d resign WGreen, JPargo, and maybe another PG and/or SG/SF combo, or center. Drew’s motion OFF would have a better chance of becoming more functional with 1 of the 2 road blocks(JSmith)to consistent ball and player movement removed.
Grandad
June 30th, 2012
3:50 pm
Ken Strickland
Mike Scott is or will be a stretch [4].
Ivan cannot (even with all his good qualities) become
a shot-maker to stretch and space the floor.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
June 30th, 2012
4:13 pm
“Ivan cannot (even with all his good qualities) become a shot-maker to stretch and space the floor.” -Granddad
When our starters decided they did not want to play on national television against the Heat Ivan came in and made shots.
Grandad
June 30th, 2012
4:14 pm
For the old timers:
A Mike Scott comparison:
He has a little *’`Bernard King`’* in his game.
I had the privelege of watching B.King quite a bit
during his college yrs.
Bernard was very quick off the floor.
He was not so much a trmendous vertical leaper
but;
he could get off the floor `quicker’ than anyone I ever remember.
Mike Scott jumps so easily, smoothly and –>Quickly<– `tis That
which reminds me of the Great Bernard King.
*prejoinder … [I made up that word] :
I know, I know Bernie was a great player – I ain`t sayin` M.S. is
factually gonna` be great.;
Only a comparison of one of his gifts.
Grandad
June 30th, 2012
4:17 pm
***** privilege *****
!!!!!!! caught it !!!!!!!
Grandad
June 30th, 2012
4:22 pm
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
‘`to stretch and space the floor`’
* G-dad
northcyde
June 30th, 2012
4:46 pm
Preaching to the choir Ken. I’ve been talking about the Josh + Marvin for Gasol move ever since we got beat vs Boston. The team needs a shakeup and an opportunity to see if we can get more production out of players like Teague and Horford.
Without Horford here, there’s no way I’d trade Josh. But with Horford here, you have a guy who can immediately replace the overall production of Josh + plus add an equal high producing guy in Gasol. And I agree that those two in place would eliminate the need for the Hawks to go to the Dollar Store and stock up on useless big men like Collins and Dampier. Zaza becomes the 3rd center, while both Horford and Gasol see decent time at PF ( if the minutes are managed right ). Ivan or Scott becomes the 4th frontline guy, getting 10 – 15 minutes a night
PF: Horford ( 24 ) – Gasol ( 12 ) – Ivan/Scott ( 12 )
C: Gasol ( 20 ) – Zaza ( 20 ) – Horford ( 8 )
Or you could simply rely on your top 3 big men on a nightly basis
PF: Horford ( 20 ) – Gasol ( 22 ) – Ivan/Scott ( 6 )
C: Gasol ( 12 ) – Zaza ( 24 ) – Horford ( 12 )
Jason S
June 30th, 2012
5:02 pm
@Ray:
Yeah, I am not a huge fan of trading for Carlos Boozer. (I think Carlos is better than most people give him credit for, but he is still not that good. He is a bit weak on defense and injury prone. Plus, such a move would signal to Al that he is the Hawks starting C for the long-haul, and Al may be looking forward to being able to play a little more PF in the future.)
But if the goal is to create a (semi-)realistic trade proposal that (a) does not require the Hawks to take a big step back and (b) opens up a bit of cap flexibility, I think the trade I proposed is one of the better (semi-realistic) options available.
A starting 5 of
A. Horford
C. Boozer
M. WIlliams
K. Martin
J. Teague
while not great is not all that bad. Plus, consider that the move would free up enough money to go after one or two above-minimum guys (and would create even more financial flexibility in the near future).
I don’t know. To be honest, I would say play out the year with Josh and JJ, but, again, if one is looking for a realistic trade proposal that (a) does not force the Hawks to take a big step back and (b) opens up a bit of cap flexibility, it is not that bad of a trade.
wordsmithtom
June 30th, 2012
5:04 pm
Granddad,
I to am IMPRESSED with Scott and his fluid shot. I was thinking Robert Horey when I saw Scott in the Vegas trials. Kid has a SWEET, hard to block shot. If he has the heart of a Horey as well, we got a STEAL in the 2n’d.
Jason S
June 30th, 2012
5:10 pm
I only like Josh + Marvin for Gasol if the ASG is willing to spend a little bit into the luxury for the next two years.
Gasol Horford Pachulia
Horford Gasol Scott
??? Johnson ???
Johnson ??? Jenkins
Teague ???
would be solid if the Hawks were willing to fill in one of those ‘???’ with a legit MLE guy, but that would require spending well into the ol’ luxury tax.
Rod from College Park
June 30th, 2012
5:15 pm
“Marvin played well enough last year to get 30 minutes a night, but Drew tried to play too many unproductive guys off the bench.”
SMH. LOL
Just Joe
June 30th, 2012
5:18 pm
When we think about Ivan coming back, think about how LD used Ivan in the playoffs. Ivan’s minutes per game: 15, 20, 12, 6, 0, 0. Right or wrong, I’m not sure how big of a fan LD is of Mr. Ivan.
Ray
June 30th, 2012
5:18 pm
@ Jason S
I just feel like you can get more from Bulls than those pieces like Deng and Noah for Josh instead is all.
@ It was not a bad pick
Dude Marvin sucks okay it’s plan and simple he sucks so bad no one wants to trade for him only two teams have come forward saying they have interest while many more have come out the woods saying their interested in Josh Smith.
Lakers, Boston, Nets(more than likely to pair with Howard), Rockets, Magic, even T-wolves at one point.
Marvin only interested teams Golden St. and Cavs. YAWNNNN!
Marvin is a bust and complete and utter scrub when someone like Willie Green and basically produce the same amount as you especially when you’re a starter you effectively suck.
Marvin made have had a better PPG on the stat line, but 7.6 on Willie Green vs. Marvin’s 10.2 not many people will notice the difference.
Plus Willie Green had a better 3PT statline than even Marvin the greatest 3PT shooter in the world to people riding his jock strap.
DUDE IS A BUST HE’S GARBAGE.
Ray
June 30th, 2012
5:20 pm
@ It was not a bad pick
Go look at Marvin’s stat line on ESPN.com please you will see why everyone wants this guy not to show up to the Hawks arena unless he’s wearing another uniform.
Josh, Joe, nor Horford have stolen anything from Mr. Marvina The Duck Scrub Williams whatever mins they’ve gotten each have earned. I’m not a big fan of Joe Johnson myself, but for the record.
Josh & Joe & Horford & even Teague >>>>Zaza>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marvin
Just Joe
June 30th, 2012
5:23 pm
When thinking about Hinrich, Atlanta can always work a sign and trade deal with the Lakers for part of the Odom trade exception. The move preserves their mid-level exception. If the Hawks can squeeze a draft pick out of the deal, then great. Worth noting though, the trade exception created for the Hawks would only be useful if we find some cap space within the year.
Ray
June 30th, 2012
5:25 pm
@ Jason S
With a starting lineup of Teague, Martin, Marvin, Boozer, and Horford.
We’re finished Horford can do a lot on defense, but Boozer won’t help as much as Josh we get better on the offense end vs. losing so much on defense.
Rusty
June 30th, 2012
5:38 pm
I hate LD,if Ivan doesn’t come back we can blame the idiot.
Jason S
June 30th, 2012
6:05 pm
@Ray: Yes, with the trade I proposed, the Hawks starting lineup would definitely take a step back defensively. Boozer is not nearly the defender Josh is and Kevin Martin is not the defender Joe is. But the offense would be just as good (if not slightly improved), and with the bit of $$$ cleared up, the Hawks could build a slightly better bench. I admit the trade is still not getting the Hawks to the ECF, but the trade would allow more financial flexibility going forward thus allowing the Hawks to re-tool without having to reset. I think we agree more than disagree on this one. It was just a (semi-)realistic proposal that met certain conditions that I think the Hawks would look for in a trade.
We could always propose wildly fantastic trades like Josh for Ibaka and Perkins. I mean I would take that in a heart beat … not sure if the Thunder would be took keen on that trade, though.
Back on the Gasol for Josh and Marvin: Perhaps that trade could make the Hawks a better team but only if the Hawks are willing to spend the full MLE (and thus go well into the luxury tax) on a quality wing.
Jason S
June 30th, 2012
6:09 pm
If dumping salary is the Hawks goal, does anyone think the Timberwolves would be interested in swapping Joe for a pick? Yeah, the Hawks would take a step back the coming year with that move, but think of the cap space that would be open for the year after (assuming the Hawks don’t make long term commitments to mediocre players this year).
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
6:11 pm
Iwnabp,
Josh is getting attention, but the offers have been weak.
At least Josh is getting attention. The Hawks are trying to get attention for Marvin, and for 2 years now, nobody is interested.
Ken S,
Stay away from Matt Barnes. I would go after Pietrus.
Northcyde,
I think the deadline for Ivan being tendered is tonight. This is from MC’s article on ajc.com;
The Hawks can retain salary-matching rights by extending a qualifying offer to Johnson by the end of Saturday. Ferry said Thursday he hadn’t made a decision..
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
6:16 pm
Northcyde,
You must feel good about what Memphis is doing.
From their commercial appeal;
The Grizzlies have made veteran sharpshooter Ray Allen a prime offseason target and planned to contact him late Saturday night in the first step of what promises to be a strong pursuit of the NBA’s all-time leading three-point shooter.
Memphis, according to sources familiar with the team’s plans, will offer Allen its full mid-level exception ($5 million) in hopes of luring him away from other suitors — such as Miami — with only the mini-mid-level ($3 million) to spend.
Teams could negotiate with free agents beginning at 11:01 p.m. Saturday night. Contracts can’t be signed until July 11.
The Griz have set their free-agent sights high. They intend to come away with an accomplished shooter or point guard. Los Angeles Clippers guard Randy Foye, Atlanta’s Kirk Hinrich and Denver’s Andre Miller are also on the Grizzlies’ wish list.
The Griz expect to go into the luxury tax this season as owner Michael Heisley has given general manager Chris Wallace permission to use the full mid-level exception.
“We’re on the cusp of competing for a championship and now is the time to make a strong push,” Heisley said. “I think anybody would be interested in looking at this team right now.”.
O'Brien
June 30th, 2012
6:19 pm
Sixers did not make a QO to Jody Meeks. He is streaky, but I think the Hawks could have used him as their backup SG (or even start him at SG at times).
Meeks went to Norcross High, so I think he would have signed with the Hawks. But of course, since we drafted JJ2, we dont need Jody anymore.