Atlanta Hawks: Hawks said to pursue Josh Smith for Pau Gasol trade

According to Mike Bresnahan of the Los Angeles Times, the Hawks have tired to trade forward Josh Smith for Lakers forward Pau Gasol.

Bresnahan tweeted that no deal is imminent. And a big caveat is that his report says the Hawks first expressed interest in Gasol after Los Angeles was eliminated from the playoffs by the Thunder, back when Rick Sund was still Hawks GM.

The Hawks have since hired GM Danny Ferry, who says he’s focused on building long term. Gasol turns 32 next week and is owed more than $38 million over the next two seasons.

Also, Bresnahan and ESPN’s Chad Ford reported the Lakers are open to trading Gasol for a high lottery pick and players, a price the Hawks can’t match.

The Rockets, who have been accumulating draft picks, could meet the Lakers’ price. Houston already tried to trade for Gasol as part of the infamous Chris Paul deal that was eventually nixed by NBA commissioner David Stern.

Update: Ford now says the Rockets aren’t pursuing Gasol.

Smith, who can become an unrestricted free agent next summer, first told the Hawks he wanted to be traded after last season and reiterated that desire prior to this season’s deadline. Smith wants to join a franchise he feels is more committed to winning and play in a market with better fan support.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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joe

June 27th, 2012
4:29 pm

no i dont want pau gasol jsmooth is way better

msc

June 27th, 2012
4:31 pm

No way the hawks do this. This trade would be so dumb esp. because I read they also want our 23rd pick. Get outta here.

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2012
4:36 pm

Mike

June 27th, 2012
4:38 pm

Gasol costs more and is on the downside of his career and has constant “motivational issues”. I don’t want either Lakers big men. I also don’t see him doing the Lakers any favors with his recent ties to the Spurs

Big Ray

June 27th, 2012
4:39 pm

….zzzz…..zzzz…..

Wake me up when Joe gets moved.

Mike

June 27th, 2012
4:39 pm

Pau = the Joe Johnson of centers. Makes no sense for the Hawks.

Melvin

June 27th, 2012
4:40 pm

It would be a terrible move for the Hawks

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
4:42 pm

Rod,

With Teague, JJ, and a defensive minded SF, wouldn’t that help on defense, so it wouldn’t be the laup line you think it would be?

And coming from a guy who loves Jamal (who is a worse defender than Gasol), I didn’t think it would be a big deal to you, assuming Gasol is making up for it on offese…

tlh

June 27th, 2012
4:43 pm

The move that might make sense is Josh to the Lakers, Pau to the Rockets, and some combination of Rockets’ picks to the Hawks.

Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
4:43 pm

Gasol+Horford>>>Horford+Smith

Sadly, if we trade Josh, we may go from ~24th in home attendance to ~26th in home attendance.

IceColdATLien

June 27th, 2012
4:44 pm

Getting Pau makes a ton of sense, you fools! It allows Al to move to the 4 spot, his natural position, and it gives the Hawks a legit low-post scorer… something ATL hasn’t had since forever. Think about Pau and Al with Zaza coming off the bench and allowing Pau to move to the 4, too. Give it a year or two and, if it doesn’t work, blow it all up in two years and start completely over again.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
4:45 pm

* make up for it on offense.

Melvin,

Josh and Marvin for Gasol is a terrible move? I don’t think so. It may be a lateral move, but it would give this team a totally different makeup. And if it doesnt work, Gasol’s contract expires in 2 years. By then, JJ might actually be tradeable, so Hawks could blow it up then if they wanted to.

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2012
4:45 pm

Gasol and Horford might possibly be the softest, most non intimidating front line in the league. As Barkley said, “They are just a bunch of nice guys”. That move makes us even nicer.

WeBurn

June 27th, 2012
4:45 pm

Make the trade.

Get *something* for Josh, before he walks. Plus this would move Horford to power forward. Then, Gasol’s contract is up at the same time as Marvin’s, so we could shed all that money if it didn’t work out.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

June 27th, 2012
4:46 pm

“According to Mike Bresnahan of the Los Angeles Times, the Hawks have tired to trade forward Josh Smith for Lakers forward Pau Gasol”

I fully understand. I’m tired of “trying” to trade Josh myself.

Tyler

June 27th, 2012
4:46 pm

If the Hawks are going to trade JSmooth, can tey at least trade for someone who is still relatively young and who has not peeked in ability yet. Get someone they can, along with Al Horford, build the future of Hawks basketball.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

June 27th, 2012
4:46 pm

From the standpoint of being able to move Horford to the 4 by aquiring Pau it may be a nice move. Pau was a big part of winning 2 titles for the Lakers and is a solid 17 and 10 a game. Wouldnt be so quick to knock the move simply by listening to all the talking heads on ESPN .

Tyler

June 27th, 2012
4:47 pm

Also, try and trade Marvin and get him off the books

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
4:47 pm

Rod,

What’s intimidating about Miami Heat’s front line ( Bosh and whoever)? And I thought good defense started on the perimeter.

Yawn....

June 27th, 2012
4:49 pm

Wow….really??

Atlanta has a professional basketball team??

IceColdATLien

June 27th, 2012
4:50 pm

Seriously, what could ATL get back for Josh that’s better than Pau? Gasol is one of the few C’s left on the planet, Al would be freed up to destroy the sorry PF’s in the East, and the most egregious offense-killers and locker room cancers on the Hawks (Josh) would be gone. it creates an inside-out game that ATL hasn’t had in many, many years.

kirkinga

June 27th, 2012
4:51 pm

Too bad we didn’t hold on to Gasol when we drafted him. That said, I think getting rid of players who do not want to be here is good for the team long-term. The Hawks already have one core guy who only stayed for the money and it is hurting the team.

Section 303

June 27th, 2012
4:51 pm

I don’t see why Josh for Gasol is a bad move. I like it. But, that’s it….Josh for Gasol. Don’t want to see the Hawks have to give up a pick too. They would already be doing the Lakers a favor, taking Gasol’s contract away. F them, if they think they get anyone/anything else in addition to Smith.

Golden State becomes my 2nd favorite team, if they take Marvin Williams out of here.

Mike

June 27th, 2012
4:53 pm

but in return be in worst cap hell, since he is owned 20m next year. Passed with a quickness. But MC, if Houston fails in getting D12, do you think that they will contact the Hawks about Josh as well?

High-sider

June 27th, 2012
4:53 pm

“…“Reminds me a little bit of Jamal Crawford,” Pendergraft said. “He’s got a slick way of scoring the ball whether it’s shooting or getting to the rim. He’s thin as a rail, but he’s strong and obviously he’s durable or you couldn’t put up those kind of numbers. It’s going to be interesting to see how he does. He’s still on our board.” – Michael Cunningham quoting Hawks Asst. GM Dave Pendergaft, FTPB

Why look at or consider a “knock-off” (Will Barton) when you can have (or get) “the real thing” (Jamal Crawford)? That’s just like drinking RC Cola, Plaza Cola or Shasta Cola when you can have (or get) Coca-Cola.

“Coke: It’s the real thing.” – slogan by Coca-Cola

“Jamal Crawford: He’s a real scorer.” – slogan by High-sider

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDSnjjdGh5M

Sam

June 27th, 2012
4:53 pm

Do it! I have been saying this for weeks.

Get something for Josh while you can. If he leaves as an unrestricted free agent after next year, then you’re stuck with nothing. Trading Smith and Marvin to the Lakers for Gasol works on the ESPN trade machine.

Gasol would give us a center to play along Al Horford. Joe could move down to the 3. I would prefer they kept the 23 and used it for a backup SF or guard, though.

Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
4:54 pm

Rod, Barkley should spend his free time trying to improve the Bobcats.

Sam

June 27th, 2012
4:55 pm

Josh Smith to the Rockets is stupid. I am so tired of people trying to talk about that. Lowry has proven himself over 1 year, people. He is not a top 5 PG.

Why would the Rockets want Josh anyway when they already have a glut of big men? Scola, Morris, Dalembert, to name a few.

Reality Check

June 27th, 2012
4:56 pm

We would miss Josh’s rim protection some, no doubt, but that would be partially offset by Gasol’s greater shooting %, greater scoring, much fewer turnovers, rebounding (even though Josh had the best rebounding year of his career – 9.6 /gm, Gasol averaged 10.4), and Teague having more control.

If Josh had not wanted to be traded, no one would be tempted, but since he has indicated his preference to be elsewhere, it’s one of the better trades out there.

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2012
4:57 pm

“Rod,

With Teague, JJ, and a defensive minded SF, wouldn’t that help on defense, so it wouldn’t be the laup line you think it would be?

And coming from a guy who loves Jamal (who is a worse defender than Gasol), I didn’t think it would be a big deal to you, assuming Gasol is making up for it on offese…”

It’s much easier to hide guards defensively than it is to hide guys who protect the rim. When Josh Smith left games this year, teams attacked the rim relentlesly. Horford or Paul Gasol won’t prevent that. And while Pau is better than Josh on the block, he brings nothing else to the table but being nicer. No intimidation at all in the paint, thus layup line.

tony

June 27th, 2012
4:57 pm

Nice move. JS probably won’t be back after next season anyway.

Jay Dubu

June 27th, 2012
4:58 pm

No, No, and No to Pau!

The Hawks had him when he was younger, cheaper, and anxious to establish himself in the NBA.

Now he’s old (in terms of basketball), extremely expensive, and lacks motivation. He’s done it two consecutive years in LA.

38 million over the next 2 years, that’s another JJ…Making superstar money, but not playing to a superstar level.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
5:02 pm

303,

It would have to be Josh and Marvin for Gasol to make the salaries match.

Josh only has one year left on his deal, and there have been rumors that he wants to be traded. Josh has also done nothing to stop those rumors (where is his flat out denial of requesting a trade?).

Therefore, the Hawks probably will not get what Josh is really worth. And if we keep him, then we risk losing him for NOTHING after next season, which may be fine, except the ASG said they do not plan on taking one or two steps back, which is what losing Josh for nothing would be.

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2012
5:03 pm

“Rod,

What’s intimidating about Miami Heat’s front line ( Bosh and whoever)? And I thought good defense started on the perimeter.”

Bosh is better than Josh and Gasol, and Lebron must be included in their front line. Lebron is who makes them intimidating.

Jay Dubu

June 27th, 2012
5:03 pm

Gasol play forward, Bynum is the center for the Lakers. He plays soft, and the Hawks already have too many of those types now. Josh is one of the few Hakws that play with emotion, so you can’t afford to trade him away for another soft playing bigman.

And Josh, if you want better fan support, play smarter basketball.

The issues with the Hawks organization is another thing, but it appears that they are working to resolve some of their weaknesses.

Greg

June 27th, 2012
5:03 pm

I say go get a younger center. Nene,Cris Kamen. Pau is too soft and hes a Robin, not a Batman. We have a whole team of followers and we need leaders.

Mike

June 27th, 2012
5:05 pm

@Sam

Dalembert was traded today to the Bucks, but Hawks need a better deal then this, Gasol is way too much and does nothing to help out the Salary cap problem unless we magically trade Joe Johnson. Hawks pass

ward

June 27th, 2012
5:05 pm

I would call the rockets right now and tell them they can have Smith for 12, 14, 18 in the draft!!! That with our 23rd pick and we can start rebuilding…We could grab Thad Melo, Tyler Zeller, Tony Wroten, and Quincy Miller… That’s a nice group to add to Hortford, Teague, JJ, and Marvin…let’s amensty JJ too though.

Just Joe

June 27th, 2012
5:05 pm

Josh and Marvin for Gasol and a future first rd pick is the only way I would want the package to look.

Hawks can’t trade this year’s pick thank goodness.

Ward

June 27th, 2012
5:07 pm

If we could get 2 big seven footers to be able to rotate them, move Hortford to the 4 position this team would have a great front court with Zaza too.

Jay Dubu

June 27th, 2012
5:08 pm

Houston is reportedly looking to get Dwight Howard, and sign Deron Williams. Either way. with those many draft picks, they are in a position to make some major moves.

Hawks Blog Legeng Worldwide Clyde

June 27th, 2012
5:10 pm

Gasol for Smoove has Gearon and Sund written all over it.

Moobs Johnson

June 27th, 2012
5:11 pm

This proposed trade makes no sense for the Hawks and that is why it will happen. Get rid of Joe anyway they can and that will be the first step in the right direction.

clarkekent

June 27th, 2012
5:11 pm

trade joe johnson to the nets or to anybody for that matter..who cares what we get back!
then do the same for marvin…

i would love to see josh and rudy gay here.

Ward

June 27th, 2012
5:16 pm

The Hawks have to rid themselves, and us fans, of 3 people: Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, & Marvin Williams in that order… I am okay with taking 2 steps back as a fan to get to the promise land 5 years from now. With the current roster (all 6 players under contract) they cannot win a title… I get so pissed when I think of what they gave Joe Johnson… he is killing the Hawks! This team needs to do all it can to get Hortford to the 4 spot with a big center to help him inside… It may even be where this team needs to trade Hortford to really set itself up for the future… He brings huge value on the market… I would just like to see a team that hustles and has young talent.

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2012
5:17 pm

“Gasol play forward, Bynum is the center for the Lakers. He plays soft, and the Hawks already have too many of those types now. Josh is one of the few Hakws that play with emotion, so you can’t afford to trade him away for another soft playing bigman.”

“I say go get a younger center. Nene,Cris Kamen. Pau is too soft and hes a Robin, not a Batman. We have a whole team of followers and we need leaders.”

Ding!!!!! It’s a lateral move. You may gain a little offensively, but you lose a lot defensively, and you lose the emotional leader of your team. For all who keep saying Horford is a natural 4, are you sure? Can Horford guard the Dirk, Bosh’s, Aldridge’s and Gasol’s of the NBA? I don’t see it.

Jae Evolution

June 27th, 2012
5:18 pm

Only trade I would make with the Lakers is for Andrew Bynum, so if they want to do that go ahead otherwise hang up the phone.

High-sider

June 27th, 2012
5:19 pm

O’Brien
June 27th, 2012
4:47 pm

Rod,

What’s intimidating about Miami Heat’s front line ( Bosh and whoever)? And I thought good defense started on the perimeter.
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The Miami Heat’s starting lineup in the 2012 NBA Finals is/was as follows:

G – Chalmers
G – Wade
F – James
F – Battier
F/C – Bosh

LBJ makes any front- or backcourt better. We’re talkin’ ’bout LeBron James – the best all-around player in the NBA. LBJ (along with Lamar Odom) could (theoretically) play all five positions (well) on the basketball court. Those five positions include the following:

1. Point Guard
2. Shooting Guard
3. Small Forward
4. Point/Power Forward
5. Point/Power Center

Sherewshevsky

June 27th, 2012
5:21 pm

BIG NO to Gasol.

tyger

June 27th, 2012
5:22 pm

The Fleecing of Atlanta…

Smith, Williams for Pau Gasol:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6nqyaq2

What sense does it make to go from young…
And under-performing to old and underperforming???…

2 yrs of Gasol at $19M or 2 yrs of Marvin at $7M???

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
5:23 pm

“Josh and Marvin for Gasol is a terrible move? I don’t think so. It may be a lateral move, but it would give this team a totally different makeup”

Not to mention that since we are unlikely to be able to move Joe, let’s see just what he could do in tandem with a true low post threat. I’ll say it would open things up for him to catch-and-shoot much more, which is more his strength these days.

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
5:27 pm

“Reality Check

June 27th, 2012
4:56 pm
We would miss Josh’s rim protection some, no doubt”

Josh’s rim protection is declining already because he’s standing around on the perimeter….not a dramatic dropoff, but still a dropoff.

You think Ferry sees Pau as our Duncan? Pau matches up with Bosh IMO and his offense is very usable.
2 hiccups here…..we can’t trade the draft pick, if the CBA still limits that, and of they take Marvin? I’m doing it/

BIG DOG

June 27th, 2012
5:28 pm

Dumbest move in history of the Hawks.

Josh 26years 13mill

Paul 32years 18mill

your trading Josh for a guy who have no motivation at all, if Kobe couldn’t get this guy going in playoffs what you think he will do here with no true leader, JUST DAM

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
5:28 pm

Put Steve Nash at the point, and ask him if he likes ‘Al and Pau’ down low?

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
5:30 pm

From espn.com;

San Antonio, which doesn’t pick until No. 59 in the second round, as well as Atlanta, which does have a first-round pick at No. 23, also made a number of calls to Donovan and Florida in the hope that each team could move up to land Beal..

Hawks would have to get #2 pick to make it happen.

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
5:30 pm

I hear ya BD, but if it moves Marvin……you cannot deny moving that 8.2M off our books….so you are getting Pau for 11M instead of 19M.

One hesitation is that whoever leaves the Lakers usually isn’t better after leaving the Lakers.

BIG DOG

June 27th, 2012
5:31 pm

Gasol is a bust and down side of his career, I BE DAM

You draft Gasol when 21years now bring him back at 32years.

HA

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

LakeDawg

June 27th, 2012
5:32 pm

Smooove wants to be traded to a team that wins, because he can’t get this team to win. That might could happen if he gets traded to a winning team that isn’t counting on Smooove as a starter, but rather as a bench player. Oh, he also wants to be traded to a team where the fans don’t call him out for being a selfish loser. Good luck with that Smooove.

I would trade Smooove for a 2nd round draft pick.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
5:33 pm

Rod,

Bosh is better than Josh and Gasol, and Lebron must be included in their front line. Lebron is who makes them intimidating..

If only Marvin could be intimidating :smile:

The Real cp

June 27th, 2012
5:34 pm

I dont think it would as bad of a move as some are making it on here. I still think Houston will come calling with an offer once they cant get Dwright. Having a true low post scorer would really help this offense. I think Paul could easily put up 20 and 10 here. He put up 17 and 10 last year although he wasnt involved as much in the offense. He is also a great passer and wont try to do things he isnt capable of. I doubt the trade happens but I wouldnt be mad if it did.

BIG DOG

June 27th, 2012
5:35 pm

Josh for Brook Lopez

Josh for Rudy

Josh #23 for Tyreke and #5

These are trade that make this team better, not no Gasol.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

steven a smith

June 27th, 2012
5:36 pm

GREAT POST!!! MAKE THAT DEAL KUPCHAK!! THE REST OF THESE BUMBS DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

IceColdATLien

June 27th, 2012
4:44 pm

Getting Pau makes a ton of sense, you fools! It allows Al to move to the 4 spot, his natural position, and it gives the Hawks a legit low-post scorer… something ATL hasn’t had since forever. Think about Pau and Al with Zaza coming off the bench and allowing Pau to move to the 4, too. Give it a year or two and, if it doesn’t work, blow it all up in two years and start completely over again.

The Real cp

June 27th, 2012
5:36 pm

Gasol is a bust? Two rings, multiple all star appearances and he is a busst? I wish the Hawks had this type of but on the team instead of a guy like Marvin..

The Hawks want Beal? I guess they are really trying to shake up this team. I like Beal but what do we have that would make the Bobcats give up that second pick?

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
5:36 pm

“Ding!!!!! It’s a lateral move. You may gain a little offensively, but you lose a lot defensively, and you lose the emotional leader of your team.” – Rod from CP

You are correct, Rod, but unless Josh has a change of heart, it looks like we lose him after this year anyway. If you are losing your best player, and can salvage a lateral move, then you have mitigated the loss as well as possible.

If Josh were to tell Ferry he wanted to stay, then OF COURSE you wouldn’t do this.

Carlton

June 27th, 2012
5:37 pm

I don’t blame Josh Smith for wanting to leave the Hawks I would want to leave too the Hawks organization sucks and the fans are bandwagon fans they aren’t true supporters.

The Real cp

June 27th, 2012
5:38 pm

Gotta love the logic on this board. Gasol is a bust but we should trade for Rudy Gay or Tyreke.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
5:39 pm

Ra’mon,

I think MsDee would, but would you Horford to Charlotte for #2 and filler?

Frank

June 27th, 2012
5:39 pm

Josh Smith need to go to the Brooklyn Nets and if the Nets can get Dwight Howard with Deron Williams staying put that would be a fun team to watch.

Richard Denson

June 27th, 2012
5:40 pm

I agree with:
tyger
June 27th, 2012
5:22 pm

I would ONLY take that deal (Smith, Williams for Gasol) or Smith for Brook Lopez. If not those, NO DEAL!

steven a smith

June 27th, 2012
5:43 pm

Hawks should move Horford and Johnson if possible. Bring back Amare and Pau along with Steve Nash. This team is an Eastern Conference Finals team!

PG Nash/Teague
SG Courtney Lee
SF Josh/Petrus
PF Amare
C Gasol

random

June 27th, 2012
5:44 pm

Why not try to get Gerald Wallace he has great perimeter defense, is considerably a good blocker, and good rebounder. Oh and he can stretch the floor with 3’s and take it to the paint.

LakeDawg

June 27th, 2012
5:45 pm

They couldn’t give Marvin away for nothing. If they can, JUMP ON IT!

Trade_Josh_Now

June 27th, 2012
5:45 pm

Are you people out of your minds? We need to trade Josh Smith for Pau Gasol right now!!! Teague and Joe in the backcourt plus Horford and Gasol in the frontcourt makes us a legit contender to at least make the ECF next year. Plus, if we can somehow bring a 3rd team into the deal, Cleveland?, we can rid ourselves of Marvin Williams contract. Then, Gerald Wallace to ATL baby!!!

Mike

June 27th, 2012
5:47 pm

steven,

I think our lucky stars that you are not a GM. Really, lucky. They vetmil for forever and ever.

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
5:48 pm

Al / Joe / Pau/ Nash / T-Mac or #23

You can’t complain about that lineup…….Big in costs…..58-60M, but we still have lil Woody who used to be all about offense.

High-sider

June 27th, 2012
5:51 pm

I knew that, once Danny Ferry was hired as the new GM, the Hawks would look to “move” Josh Smith. I believe most NBA hard-nosed, traditional, fundamentalist, basketball purists/disciplinarians (and executives) don’t (necessarily) care for Josh Smith’s antics and attitude (e.g., sulking, pouting, complaining, obstinance, defiance, etc.) and Hawks GM Danny Ferry comes from “that group” of purists/disciplinarians/fundamentalists.

Danny Ferry is going to be the Hawks GM that will make the “tough, hard-nose(d) decisions.” GM Ferry will move a good player with some attitude issues like Josh Smith but will look to keep an overrated, mediocre player like Kirk Hinrich. Watch what I’m sayin’. GM Danny Ferry is nothin’ but an “old school (basketball) conservative” in a (relatively) young man’s body. Expect a (conservative) culture change in the Hawks (franchise) organization.

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
5:51 pm

Would Houston take on 1A Joe for Martin and Lowry? Its for the short term and frees the noose on what the ASG did to this franchise.
Lowry is gone from Houston, so get you 2 short term vets.

Only in Moultrie

June 27th, 2012
5:54 pm

josh would be a rock star in LA. i like josh and would hate to see him go, but i think it’s fairly certain this team as it is can’t win a championship, so why not try to mix it up a bit?

brigadierjerry

June 27th, 2012
6:00 pm

real cp3,

good point on last post.

high-sider that was a troll comment in regards to danny ferry u just made. well played. what a crazy comment move havent been made and this was rumored before ferry came here so what r u talking about?tell me what moves u would make with player movement?

would u trade horford or smith or marvin for jamal crawford?

TMACfan

June 27th, 2012
6:01 pm

HAWKS TAKE A GOOD LONG LOOK AT TONY WROTEN

Mike

June 27th, 2012
6:04 pm

I am kinda surprised that Hawks is looking up that high to go after Beal and I think its a pipe dream or that dread rumors but see the Hawks like this, is bring a tear to my eye.

CWM

June 27th, 2012
6:05 pm

IF JOSH GOES SO DO MY SECTION 104 TIX ……..

hmmmm.........

June 27th, 2012
6:05 pm

The Bobcats want to move the 2 pick, id say the hawks offer jj and marvin for the pick. it would open up so many options

The Real cp

June 27th, 2012
6:06 pm

@rufus and @Kevin. I just read that the Hawks really like Cunningham. Looks like he might go late first though. Would love for the Hawks to get this guy.

The Real cp

June 27th, 2012
6:07 pm

I like Beal but I dont know if the Hawks have enough to pull that trade off. I doubt that MJ wants Joe’s contract.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
6:09 pm

“high-sider that was a troll comment in regards to danny ferry u just made”

Jerry, Danny Ferry is the wrong color for High-schooler. ;-)

ntrigue

June 27th, 2012
6:09 pm

Would be terrible! Sign Josh to an extension and go into luxuary tax and sign somemore solid free agents their are a lot of good one availible this yr. And dont screw up the draft!

hmmmm.........

June 27th, 2012
6:10 pm

Im not sure anyone wants Joe’s contract. Either way the Hawks should shake up the roster and im not opposed to them shopping anyone

Rick James

June 27th, 2012
6:10 pm

@Trade_Josh_Now

Are you people out of your minds? We need to trade Josh Smith for Pau Gasol right now!!! Teague and Joe in the backcourt plus Horford and Gasol in the frontcourt makes us a legit contender to at least make the ECF next year. Plus, if we can somehow bring a 3rd team into the deal, Cleveland?, we can rid ourselves of Marvin Williams contract. Then, Gerald Wallace to ATL baby!!!
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And then..Knocked out of the playoffs in the first round again baby!!! The problem with this team is that it cant build around Horford and Josh because of Joe’s contract.The third best player on the team is one of the highest paid players in the NBA..Insane

Rick James

June 27th, 2012
6:12 pm

@CWM

June 27th, 2012
6:05 pm

IF JOSH GOES SO DO MY SECTION 104 TIX ……..
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Same here friend..There would be no reason to watch this team.

Jake

June 27th, 2012
6:12 pm

Ok what do you want? Loose Josh for nothing? or get Pau and loose Josh?

TMACfan

June 27th, 2012
6:16 pm

Apparently EVERY team wants Beal. Even the Oklahoma City Thunder want him.

Jake

June 27th, 2012
6:17 pm

Josh dosnt want to stay in ATL and wont sign an exstention. We wont get a better player than Pau for Josh. I guarantee that!

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
6:18 pm

High-Sider,

Ferry came from San Antonio, who had NO problem getting Stephen Jackson who has CERTAINLY had “attitude issues” in the past.

Is R.C. Buford black? Nope.

“GM Ferry will move a good player with some attitude issues like Josh Smith but will look to keep an overrated, mediocre player like Kirk Hinrich.” – High-sider

What evidence do you have to make such an accusation?

I think you have an anti-white agenda. Like you, I’m calling it like I see it. That’s what it looks like from here, FYI. Perhaps that’s not your intention, but that’s certainly how you come across.

Luke Cage

June 27th, 2012
6:27 pm

Rod from College Park

June 27th, 2012
5:17 pm

“Ding!!!!! It’s a lateral move. You may gain a little offensively, but you lose a lot defensively, and you lose the emotional leader of your team. For all who keep saying Horford is a natural 4, are you sure? Can Horford guard the Dirk, Bosh’s, Aldridge’s and Gasol’s of the NBA? I don’t see it.”

Well can ANYBODY guard those guys???

MistaGamer

June 27th, 2012
6:27 pm

The day that will live in infamy for a long time:

“The Atlanta Hawks resign Joe Johnson to a Max deal”. You are forced to lose your best player on the team because your third best player on the team makes the most money in the league and has utterly put the shackles on any chance at a championship for the next 5 – 10 years.

That includes the remainder of Joe’s contract and the time it will take you to rebuild. What a bunch of Grade-A idiots.

High-sider

June 27th, 2012
6:30 pm

@Sautee and brigadierjerry

Sautee
June 27th, 2012
6:09 pm

“high-sider that was a troll comment in regards to danny ferry u just made”

Jerry, Danny Ferry is the wrong color for High-schooler. ;-)
——————————————————————

Danny Ferry does not have the “wrong color” me but I do feel he (Ferry) has the wrong mind, vision, philosophy, ideology, ideas, plans, etc. for the Hawks organization.

terrell

June 27th, 2012
6:31 pm

Trade the coach 1st.

Luke Cage

June 27th, 2012
6:32 pm

Not saying that this deal is good or bad but I would hate to see SMOOVE walk after the season and the Hawks get ZERO in return.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
6:33 pm

“Danny Ferry does not have the “wrong color” me but I do feel he (Ferry) has the wrong mind, vision, philosophy, ideology, ideas, plans, etc. for the Hawks organization.”

Based upon what, exactly? How do you KNOW his mind, vision, philosophy, etc.? From one interview, LOL?

Who would you rather the Hawks hired?

Luke Cage

June 27th, 2012
6:33 pm

At some point a bold move has to be made to move forward, i’ll take the short time failure for the longtime reward

hawksfancents95

June 27th, 2012
6:35 pm

first in response to MC’s post, i do not see us taking on more salary just to shed josh smith. we could get younger cheaper talent or possible lottery draft picks, no need to get an older PF that is not even as good as josh smith for more money? are you kidding me?

second i think i just found a resolution to many of your dreams to get rid of Marvin Williams and it would benefit us and the other team. Marvin to Charlotte for Tyrus Thomas and Charlottes #31 pick. Charlotte wants to get rid of Tyrus Thomas very badly and their salaries are identicle. Charlotte would recieve a UNC tar heel in Marvin and Charlotte would have a pretty good chance at making the playoffs next year with this trade. DJ Augustine Ben Gordon Marvin Williams Thomas Robinson(#2 pick) BJ Mullens with kemba walker gerald henderson bismack biyombo off the bench could make the 8th seed.
we in turn could get jeffery taylor or miles plumlee at #31 and still get whoever at #23 and #43, that would be great going forward securing three roster spots occupied by cheap young role players.

Danny Ferry hire me as an intern

terrell

June 27th, 2012
6:38 pm

Maybe they meant to say Marc Gasol.

Hoops

June 27th, 2012
6:41 pm

I love the fact that getting a new GM has brought life to the Hawks organization and talk of possible trades and ways to improve the team! It’s about time!!!

Make some moves Danny Ferry!!!

hawks21

June 27th, 2012
6:42 pm

I see that Hordford has a strong fan base. Yes, he made the All-Star, but look at his career numbers. Then tell me what everyone is so HIGH on him. He was ever the 1/2 options in college or pro?

hawks21

June 27th, 2012
6:44 pm

I think Josh gets a BAD rap b/c of some missed fouls, and no one on THIS is willing to take the NEXT step! Please be CAREFUL what you are asking for (trade JOSH)!

gregory

June 27th, 2012
6:49 pm

Gasol is a better rebounder, better assist, better field goal percentage, and has the same scoring average. Plus he knows how to win a championship. This is no brainer for Hawks.

Also, I am in Los Angeles and a Laker fan.

Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
6:50 pm

So they called right after the playoffs, huh? I wonder if it was the technical foul from the scorer’s table, the lazy inbounds pass that Rondo stole, the poor decision to break off the designed play in game 6, the bad shot after busting the play or his decision not to meet with Sund 3 weeks after the season ended?

High-sider

June 27th, 2012
6:51 pm

@Sautee

“…What evidence do you have to make such an accusation?

I think you have an anti-white agenda. Like you, I’m calling it like I see it. That’s what it looks like from here, FYI. Perhaps that’s not your intention, but that’s certainly how you come across.” – Sautee

Sautee, I don’t have an “anti-white” agenda but you could say I would like to have an “anti-white supremacy” agenda. I have a pro-(Atlanta) Hawks agenda. I would like to see the Hawks (franchise) keep Josh Smith and add someone to the front office or coaching staff whose (positive) message(s) and instruction(s) will resonate with Josh Smith and dissuade him from taking bad shots, unnecessarily dominating the basketball, playing to his weakness and playing the “wrong way.” I still feel Jamal Crawford was a better fit for the Hawks than Kirk Hinrich is/was.

hawksfancents95

June 27th, 2012
6:52 pm

idk if mentioned yet but
HOU trades #14 and Samuel Dalembert to MIL for #12 Jon Leur Jon Brockman and Shaun Livingston

New hawk blood

June 27th, 2012
6:52 pm

Heck Paus had it keep Josh and get Paus brother Marc,If we just had a good young bigman!

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
6:55 pm

High-sider,

I’ll ask this again:

“GM Ferry will move a good player with some attitude issues like Josh Smith but will look to keep an overrated, mediocre player like Kirk Hinrich.” – High-sider

What evidence do you have to make such an accusation?

Luke Cage

June 27th, 2012
6:59 pm

hawksfancents95

I cosign and would do that move in a heartbeat

Mike Fratellos Evil Twin

June 27th, 2012
7:00 pm

Why is it dat Atlanta Fans gotta suffer, cause white management can’t handle a black man with an attitude! FREE JOSH SMITH! FREE JOSH SMITH! FREE JOSH SMITH! Or fire the Uncle Tom that can’t coach an empowered brother.

Drew couldn’t handle Ivan…Take your ball and go home.

Drew couldn’t handle McGrady…You know too much so hit the bench!

Danny please free us all from the bondage of short sighted white folk!

It ain’t as bad as the Dominique Trade…..but it’s about to be!!!!!!!!

Luke Cage

June 27th, 2012
7:03 pm

hawks21

Horford is not the one thats demanding to be traded, Al actually wants to be here. Thats why scenerios involving Josh are being kicked around.

Mike Fratellos Evil Twin

June 27th, 2012
7:03 pm

JOSH NEEDS ATLANTA TO DRAFT A REAL COACH!

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
7:04 pm

it would be a terrible move…

Two Mister Softies protecting the rim? Huh?

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
7:07 pm

“Why is it dat Atlanta Fans gotta suffer, cause white management can’t handle a black man with an attitude!”

LOL, that’s freakin’ funny. Josh Smith is allowed to play as undisciplined as he wishes, but after JOSH says trade me, now it’s the white management holding him down?

He’s allowed to play however he wants, but that somehow translates to “can’t handle him”?

LMFAO

Ray

June 27th, 2012
7:08 pm

NOOOOOOOO!

Why trade Josh for Gasol do you people not get it and it makes it so much worse that a lot of people apparently don’t understand GASOL IS A POWER FORWARD HE WILL NOT PLAY CENTER. Even if he did he’d be pushed around by da*n near every C in the league.

Plus Josh Smith at Age 26 is miles better than Gasol right now once Gasol get’s here it will be Jon Konack part 2 believe you me, and then we’ll be the laughing stock all over again.

Josh Smith #23 for Tyreke Evans and #5 also doesn’t work why?

Tyreke already taking about if he’s moved he’s playing SG guess what we still got the SG he’s not playing second fiddle to Joe Johnson either. No don’t give me that Joe can move to SF BS either it didn’t work Joe is not a SF.

The only thing I’d agree too is Marvin Williams trade if at all he’s the #1 top priority that need to GTFO of ATL. #2 GET CREATIVE AND FIND A DEAL FOR JOE JOHNSON That can work.

Josh can’t be replace Joe can.

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
7:08 pm

O’Brien, I would trade Josh or Al to Charlotte to get Beal. But I know Charlotte only does that deal with Al because they know Josh would leave. But yes I would do that deal so quickly. Beal is one of the best athlete in basketball since to hit the draft since Wade at that size. I look at it as we would be playing this next season with the exact same reason except for with Beal, and Joe at the 3. Because we just played an entire season with out Al, and didn’t lose play off position.

By the way, Gasol can be traded for Josh or Al straight up without Marvin because LAL has the trade exception for $9 Million they got from Dallas for Odum. (I may be wrong)

Ray

June 27th, 2012
7:09 pm

Also stop being racist or stereotyping it honestly makes all races look bad.

terrell

June 27th, 2012
7:11 pm

Lmao @ fools giving up their season tickets if Smoove is traded. Wtf? U mean to tell me you paid your hard earned $ for a guy who’s not even an all-star? I like Josh(sometimes) too, but I’m not giving up my tickets if he’s moved. Hell to the naw. Its not like we’re trading Lebron or Durant. I Guess youd just rather go thru another mediocre season and lose him for nothing. lol

Mike Fratellos Evil Twin

June 27th, 2012
7:12 pm

No JOSH SMITH! It’s off to the races! Slam Bam Thank you Mam! PLease tell Larry Drew to get out from under the bus!

terrell

June 27th, 2012
7:13 pm

Not knocking Josh, but NOONE should be untouchable. ESPECIALLY IF THEY DONT WANT TO BE HERE.

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
7:14 pm

Terrell, Smoove wasn’t an all star, but he is the best player on the team today, and was all season.

Mike Fratellos Evil Twin

June 27th, 2012
7:15 pm

Nobody defends the block like JOSH! (No racial stereotyping intended)

tjhook

June 27th, 2012
7:16 pm

LMAO at my boy MIKEY FRATELLO!!

Barton

June 27th, 2012
7:16 pm

Well I skimmed most of the posts… just thought I’d throw my no into the mix as well

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
7:17 pm

I’m telling you guys, Josh no longer wants to be traded with the hiring of D. Ferry.

terrell

June 27th, 2012
7:18 pm

I’m just suprised that everyone didnt see this day coming. They gave Joe MAX $(smh), resigned sorry Marvin(laugable), and old a.. Bibby(too many years) remember???

Grandad

June 27th, 2012
7:19 pm

Sautee

High-Sider does not need evidence.
All he has is racially charged biased opinion.
He and whomever he refers to;
are the only folks ever to be hurt, sad, unjustly accused, tormented,
raped, murdered, pillaged, put upon, born poor, done without,
gone hungry, been fatherless, gone through divorce, jobless, or grief stricken.
Also his coterie of preference while suffering in misery;
simultaneously are the worlds best athletes who generate and earn
pus spend $millions upon $millions of $dollars.
Although they are not compensated fairly;
and should receive reparations on top of said $millions to assuage
their misery even further.
____________________________________________

editors note:
All sarcasm intended directly at H-S and no one else.

” Where irony meets ebony ”
G-dad … the lame-ass humorist v H-S

random

June 27th, 2012
7:19 pm

I dont think some of u realize that in the 2 times that L.A. won championships, Pau played center most of the time b/c bynum stayed hurt. You might can say hes soft but being a 7 footer with lenth can pretty much defend the rim.

tjhook

June 27th, 2012
7:20 pm

Clean your colon about Mike Fratello’s comment. He’s just saying Josh just needed somebody to call him out on his bad on-court habits. Drew just hasn’t stepped to Josh (or ISO JOE) and told em to stop trying to be a hero on their own. Follow the Boston Celtics motto because that’s team play. Everybody’s accountable.

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
7:20 pm

“second i think i just found a resolution to many of your dreams to get rid of Marvin Williams and it would benefit us and the other team. Marvin to Charlotte for Tyrus Thomas and Charlottes #31 pick. Charlotte wants to get rid of Tyrus Thomas very badly and their salaries are identicle.”

Thomas has one extra year than what Marvin brings…..I’m can’t see bringing Thomas in to sit behind Al and Josh.
We might as well buy out Marvin, but the ASG won’t do it. That is the key to going forward. At least Joe still plays at a high level.

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
7:20 pm

However, as a fan of Josh Smith, I would LOVE to see the Hawks be crazy enough to trade Josh to the Lakers for P. Gasol. Kobe, Bynum, and Josh would be very fun to watch. LAL probably would require that the Hawks include Teague and Zaza not Marvin. And if the Lakers make that deal, watch for them to make a play for Nash or Miller to run point.

Grandad

June 27th, 2012
7:21 pm

* Plus not pus … !

I hate typos.

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
7:21 pm

Josh will want more than Al at the end of the year, and there is no way we compete with another team who will overpay.
We got to get something for him now….a change in the captaincy.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
7:22 pm

Break-even trade in the short term, bad trade in the long term.

random

June 27th, 2012
7:23 pm

heck to think some of u wanted sammy, all that guy is is defense and hes sorta like stephen jackson plays when he wants to. Oh so yea you guys forgot how soft collins is, but yet hes known as the dwight stopper? lmao ppl be forreal

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
7:27 pm

Here’s a question for EVERYONE. Your team gets called soft and its stated you’re a bunch of nice guys. Is P. Gasol the first player you go and acquire to change that perception?

Grandad

June 27th, 2012
7:28 pm

Pau Gasol is a better Basketball Player than Josh !
Period.
If not for the age difference the trade could not even be considered.
Josh possibly leaving – makes it plausible.
Pau Gasol is an elite player.

Najeh and I disagree … acknowledged Naj.

Pau Gasol will help the Hawks win games now, moreso than Josh !
Yawl do not understand the respect PG has around the League.

No – not a SuperStar.
Neither is Josh.
Gasol imminently more skilled.
Josh twice the athlete.

Final Point = regardless / I trust Mr Ferry !

random

June 27th, 2012
7:32 pm

I agree with u gdad idk why people thinking its gonna make the hawks worst, if gasol were to come we would have 2 great midrange shooting big men. An most of the time last season josh took mid range jumpers anyways. An at least we would have a pg pushing the ball.

Ray

June 27th, 2012
7:33 pm

@ Random

Like I said a blog ago we got Sammy on the Team his name is Zaza Pachilua(probably misspelled that)

@ Najeh

Ya damn right it’s a bad trade long-term.

Btw even if Pau did play Center in LA he won’t do it here unless we’re serious about going for a championship.

Does a lineup of Teague, Joe, Marvin, Horford, Pau Scream serious at you?

vs.

Say the Thunder’s lineup

Mike Fratellos Evil Twin

June 27th, 2012
7:35 pm

On a serious note people….This management group from the roach to the coach has demonstrated an abiding fear of CONFLICT! The most conflictive guy the organization had is now coaching in New York. Not exactly falling on his face or his sword either!

Its all about Basketball IQ! I am convinced that Larry Drew was the safe hire. God forbid a black man with an attitude in the deep south! We need us a cultured black man. Dewayne Causey was a better coach with better credentials!

Billy Knight went out like a buster! Enter Rick Sund! For my part….for the budget he was allotted, Sund did a remarkable job! Vlad Man, MCGrady, Pargo. Great bench! I paid more for a Colombian hooker than ASG paid for their bench

We still won. This team needs a tweak not invasive surgery. ASG thinks they are cutting out the cancer by dealing JOSH! They may be cutting out their Heart! For the Record…..when Zaza and Smith play the block its like tumbling Legos in the lane.

Al Horford will be back to give us one of the quickest front lines in the NBA!

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water!!!!!!!!!!!

Hire a mentor and make him grow up!

Ray

June 27th, 2012
7:35 pm

@ Ra’mon

Not me I’m going for someone like Perkins or David West even a Posey type player.

When the national media called us out for being Nice guys this is what we come up with a trade for Pau Gasol entering probably his declining stage of his career for all we know.

Yet someone who hasn’t gotten to his we’re about to trade away and watch him win championships more than likely.

Ray

June 27th, 2012
7:39 pm

@ Mike

I liked that previous post you had.

4 players we are better off with Teague, Josh, Horford, and Zaza the other two can be dumped.

Losing Josh or Horford would be the Heart and Soul or the team.

tjhook

June 27th, 2012
7:39 pm

Mike Fratelo – Preach! Or as Magic Don Juan would say, “Church!!

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
7:42 pm

G’D, Gasol disappears more in games than Josh ever does. You say PG is respected around the league. Jason Kidd is respected around the league, but I wouldn’t trade Teague for him. Josh is half the cost of Gasol. And Gasol has disappeared in the playoffs for two seasons in a row. Josh as the best player on his team took his team to the playoffs. Gasol as the best player on his team, never even won a playoff game. That’s the end of the debate. Gasol can guard one position, and that’s PF. Josh can guard 3 positions for extended period of times, and all 5 positions for possessions. Josh in the Lakers organization would be more productive than Gasol. And did I mention he costs way more than Josh?

TMACfan

June 27th, 2012
7:46 pm

Trade Josh to LA, he will have the Kobe Dog Leash there.

Hope he gets used to it.

TMACfan

June 27th, 2012
7:51 pm

Seriously what he deserves for repeatedly calling out a fan base.

Ray

June 27th, 2012
7:52 pm

@ Ra’mon

Thank you now I’m not saying Josh is untouchable, but I’ll be damned if we let him go for just Pau Gasol alone, and plus again Pau costs more we dumped off Josh and put ourselves over the tax line if I’m not mistaken at least.

The Josh Smith to Lakers or Houston need to stop 1) Lakers will rob us blind plus they want a draft pick.

2) Houston will also want more than just smith so again robbing us blind and they won’t be giving up draft picks like you think they’ll be using all those draft picks to get Dwight Howard so forget that.

Ray

June 27th, 2012
7:54 pm

@ TMACfan

Talking about calling out the fanbase I guess we all forgot about JOE JOHNSON MR. MAX CONTRACT CALLING OUT THE FANBASE ON NATIONAL T.V. Then the dumba***** want to resign him for 120 mil.

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
7:55 pm

Tell the Lakers to take Marvin too!

Seriously, you get Gasol, you have one less power forward trying to bring the ball up court, playing keep away from Teague.

TMACfan

June 27th, 2012
7:55 pm

@Ray

Exactly my man

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
7:56 pm

We already have one emotionless, declining, overpaid All Star who doesn’t make his teammates better and has a cap-clogging contract that makes it impossible to seriously contend. How can we improve? I know, let’s add another emotionless, declining, overpaid All Star who doesn’t make his teammates better and has a cap-clogging contract that makes it impossible to seriously contend!

If Danny Ferry and Bruce Levenson are serious about long term planning, this is a stupid move. If they only care about maintaining their six home playoff games’ worth of revenue and continuing to maintain the status quo, then it makes sense.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
7:57 pm

I’d rather trade Josh and Marvin for Elton Brand and the #15 than for Gasol, and I don’t even think that’s a great trade. At least Brand is expiring and the #15 gives them a cheap building block.

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
7:58 pm

Ray, in my eyes, Lebron, Durant, Rose, and Griffin (because of marketing) are the only untouchables in the league. Any one else can be and should be traded for the right price.

Barton

June 27th, 2012
7:58 pm

Wait wait wait.. clearly we’re trying to sabotage a team by giving them Josh’s 19.5 footers. Why are we sending him out of our division?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
8:02 pm

“So they called right after the playoffs, huh? I wonder if it was the technical foul from the scorer’s table, the lazy inbounds pass that Rondo stole, the poor decision to break off the designed play in game 6, the bad shot after busting the play or his decision not to meet with Sund 3 weeks after the season ended?”

So the Lakers want to trade Gasol, huh? I wonder if it was the 43% shooting as the 3rd option against defenders who were 4 inches shorter than him, the 12 points per game, getting punked physically by Kenneth Faried in the first round, or the horrendous crunch time pass right into James Harden’s hands for a game-icing fast break?

Lateral move in the short term, terrible move in the long term.

Barton

June 27th, 2012
8:06 pm

^^^ Well that pretty much explains it…

TMACfan

June 27th, 2012
8:08 pm

Najeh nailed it

terrell

June 27th, 2012
8:09 pm

Smoove MIGHT be the best player on the team, but i dont pay to see ONE person. I pay to see the TEAM. Giving up your season tickets if Josh is traded is just dumb imo. But to each his own. Btw, you do know we might lose him for nothng right?

Mike Fratellos Evil Twin

June 27th, 2012
8:10 pm

Josh is the closest thing to a COMPLETE player we have. RUGGED and dependable are his trademarks on the defensive end. Offensively he often comes up with more empty shots than shooter girls at the Cheetah. That can be corrected with coaching. Hate to say it…….but like Buzz Lightyear……sometimes I miss my Woody!

And speakin of Woody…….
Would he be talkin about leaving if we had a real coach?
Would he take less stupid shots if we ran more creative offense sets?
Would he slash to the basket more if we played a high post Center (Horfords Jumper is the truth!)?
Would he win an MVP in Houston or LA?
Would he just shut up and play basketball if Atlanta just appreciated a black man with an attitude?

Ferry……..if you move Josh…..you better get somethin for him because people in this town remember the Dominique Trade!

Lightning sometimes strikes twice and the shock goes both ways. I don’t envy you Mr. Ferry. A value based franchise that shares the ball??????

Hmmmm. Nobody fills up the stat sheet like JOSH!

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
8:11 pm

With this Laker rumor goes the thought that since LD is on a short leash, will Ferry try to supply him with viable assets to win now?
The GM needs to build for the long term, and Pau is not long term.
We are late in getting him when we had all those years without him.
It can’t just be this one move going into the season, so we have to watch it develop.

And I don’t think any draft pick gets significant time with LD this year. He’s not developing on his short clock.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:12 pm

Stupid deal. Trade Josh to Houston for a lot of picks. Gasol is soft and he’s redundant to Horford.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
8:15 pm

“Lateral move in the short term, terrible move in the long term.” – Najeh

I respect your view, but to me, it’s only a terrible long term move if they were to re-sign a 33 year old Gasol( he’s still only 31) in two years. I could foresee letting Gasol expire, and moving Joe in two seasons and having all that cap room you’ve been asking for. And hopefully, drafting and developing a big during that time to take his place.

Also, when you are losing your best player, isn’t a lateral move likely the best mitigation you’ll get from the situation? How many teams lose their best player and come out ahead?

skyhawk1

June 27th, 2012
8:15 pm

I’d love to see Kobe’s face watching Smith taking one 20fter after another lol

Just Joe

June 27th, 2012
8:20 pm

If Josh and Marvin for Gasol is the best trade available, then I’m all for it. Think about it this way too. When Gasol gets more touches in the East this year, his trade value could go way up. Gasol put up 17 & 10 this year playing the high post. When he gets back on the block, he’ll average 20 & 10 for us easy.

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
8:21 pm

We need picks! More Picks!!

Not two soft front line Bigs…

It would be a terrible trade….

terrell

June 27th, 2012
8:23 pm

Trade LD 1st. He’s gotta be shaking in his boots right now,. I mean shaking in his Sunday suit. lol. Bless his heart. I’m pretty sure Marvin cold care less if he’s traded or not. He’s just happy to get a check.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:24 pm

Fire Danny Ferry

SuckerFree

June 27th, 2012
8:24 pm

Gasol has absolutely no heart. Think we were a listless team before….just wait for Pau Gasol. Philips will be very empty and the Hawks will be a snooze fest. Add on to that that we won’t win very many games.

Gasol is 32 (an old 32 at that) and needs a heart transplant. He is finished. Add on to that he set to make 38 million over the next two years???? Don’t we already have that guy on the roster??? Oh yeah…his name is Joe Johnson. Equally listless and disappointing.

I’d rather let Josh go for free than to be stuck with Pau Gasoft for two years. Gasol makes the team worse….significantly and doesn’t help the cap situation either.

Someone did the trade machine…..we lose an estimated 7 games. In reality it would be more like 12 games because Gasol will get hurt (he’s 32) and some games he just won’t show up (no heart).

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
8:25 pm

Gasol in the East gets him an all-star nod before all-star Al or Josh.

Gasol = Bosh, so we only have 2 stars to go.

Josh in LA = Brown > LD…..no jumpers flying around out there like in the ATL.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:26 pm

Just for bring part of a stupid ass rumor. I was cool with Marvin for the 7th pick but this is terrible.

Gasol is regressing, a PF, soft minded, worse contract, not a #1 option. This is some garbage. I rather no trade at all.

MistaGamer

June 27th, 2012
8:27 pm

Just Joe – That’s some pretty wishful thinking.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:27 pm

Bosh is better than Gasol and Josh is better than Gasol. Gasol will not be an All Star on the Hawks.

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
8:30 pm

Kidd-Gilchrist compared to Scottie Pippen on ESPN.

That’s the rookie I want to go for. Sac-town is probably low enough.

Can MKG slow down LeBron at any point in the season?

No Mas Pau Gasol

June 27th, 2012
8:31 pm

Pau Gasol is a scrub.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
8:31 pm

” I could foresee letting Gasol expire, and moving Joe in two seasons and having all that cap room you’ve been asking for. And hopefully, drafting and developing a big during that time to take his place.”

But what happens in those two seasons? If the Hawks are going to blow it up and have cap room in two years to rebuild, what are they waiting for? Where are Joe and Gasol going to lead this team? Is there anyone here who seriously thinks Teague-Joe-Marvin-Al-Gasol can beat the Heat?

My biggest problem with this trade is that Gasol isn’t going to make this team a serious contender. Everything else would be worth it if he was the missing piece to put this team over the top. But he just finished the year as the 3rd best player on a 2nd round team. Why is he going to bring this team to the conference finals or farther as the best player on the team? That’s what nobody has explained to me yet.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
8:33 pm

I guess that should be Teague-Joe-(insert SF here)-Al-Gasol in the post above, since Marvin would be a part of a Josh for Gasol trade.

In a vacuum, Gasol is a marginally better player than Josh. Is he two playoff rounds better? In my opinion, not even close. And that doesn’t even account for the fact that he doesn’t fit nearly as well in a front court with Al as he does with Bynum.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:33 pm

Najeh, no one will explain it because this trade is only favorable for the Lakers and brain-dead human beings. This is written by a LA Times writer and is probably not even real. I seriously doubt Atlanta wants anything to do with Gasol who is not a center, soft, and regressing with a bad contract.

Just Joe

June 27th, 2012
8:36 pm

MistaGamer…I don’t see it as wishful at all. Gasol has averaged 10+ boards per game the last 3 years, so that part is a given to me. Now, 20 pts per game is based on increased usage as the primary scorer for the Hawks. Horford is obviously better suited for the high post. But I’ll take 18 pts on 50%+ shooting though. It doesn’t have to be 20. If he’s hitting those numbers, but the Hawks are struggling, then you better bet a playoff contender will come calling at the trade deadline.

random

June 27th, 2012
8:36 pm

Air Zaza stop hating lmao thats all you doing

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
8:36 pm

To take that argument to a logical extreme, if you traded Josh for Bosh, is this team a title contender? Bosh was the 3rd best player on the NBA champions, and I’d still have a hard time seeing a team led by Teague-Joe-Bosh-Al getting that far.

Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
8:37 pm

Ra’mon, surely a commentator (even a HOF player) should not dictate roster composition. Imagine if a comparable commentator called the Hawks stupid, then what? If a friend says your car sucks, do you go out and buy a new car? Hopefully not. Again, one roster move does not mean that the makeover is complete.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
8:38 pm

“My biggest problem with this trade is that Gasol isn’t going to make this team a serious contender” – Najeh

OK, if we begin with the premise that for asset management’s sake Josh must be traded before he walks, then who do you think we COULD trade Josh for that would make us a serious contender?

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
8:39 pm

LA will screw Atlanta and it would hurt….

Do not do this Danny….

random

June 27th, 2012
8:40 pm

slim i dont think this deal could happen tbh, but its just something to think about

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:40 pm

This is the type of deals GM’s get fired over. We didn’t Ferry to intimate Billy Knight.

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
8:41 pm

Agree Bosh> Gasol… And much younger too..

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:41 pm

Sautee, you know damn well that we can get a better deal than this anytime. If Gasol is the best deal we can get, keep Josh till the ASB or keep him for the whole run. Pau Gasol is a terrible acquisition for the Atlanta Hawks.

skyhawk1

June 27th, 2012
8:41 pm

Zaza’s real age ?

random

June 27th, 2012
8:42 pm

air zaza at least its something for christsake, did u want to have another boring summer of no major trade talks? Something needs to happen to this core regardless if it hurts or make us better.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:43 pm

It’s always the fools like skyhawk1 who ask stupid questions. Shut up and go play with in hell with Satan’s minions.

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
8:43 pm

Miami 19-4 last 2 post seasons with Bosh in the Starting lineup! He is pretty good. In fact he’s underrated like Josh by many basketball fans…….Yes?

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
8:43 pm

“OK, if we begin with the premise that for asset management’s sake Josh must be traded before he walks, then who do you think we COULD trade Josh for that would make us a serious contender?”

I don’t think there is anyone realistically available in exchange for Josh who will immediately make this team a serious contender, which is why (under your premise) he and at least one or two other “core” pieces should be traded for picks and cap space and the entire team should be blown up. I’d rather be a lottery team in 2013 and a title contender in 2017 than a first or second round team in 2013 and a title contender never. In particular, I think building a team around Joe as a #1 or #2 option at this point in his career is an exercise in futility.

Jake

June 27th, 2012
8:45 pm

I dont blame Smith. If i played for atlanta i would want out too. This fanbase sucks. Everytime i go to a game there is 50% hawks fans 50% other team fans. Remember josh has been playing for 10 years in the NBA. Most players play 14 years. His time is almost up…

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:45 pm

I rather nothing. Garbage proposals have never done anyone any good. Seeing stupid deal like this just being proposed is why the Atlanta Hawks are the Atlanta Hawks. Put our name in the Dwight sweepstakes and the deal is heavily in favor of Orlando but with everyone else, their team wins.

Jake

June 27th, 2012
8:48 pm

Correct myself 8 Seasons counting next season***

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm

The Hawks should move to Seattle, better yet move this team to hell. With the proposals alone, this team has ruin any plans of me watching them in person this year. I never here the Falcons are looking to trade Roddy White to land an aging Derrick Mason and a 1st. Stupidity in even proposals lowers the value. You see Houston. LA tried to say they want Gasol, Houston came out ASAP and said hell naw. Made their fanbase feel good. The Hawks, no, not a damn word.

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
8:49 pm

I’d rather see All Get Real go before Josh….

The Real cp

June 27th, 2012
8:50 pm

Just Joe I said a few pages ago I could easily see Gasol put up 20 and 10 on the Hawks. Dude put up 17 and 10 last year although he was the 3rd options most nights. I like Josh but some of his fans on here are comical. People keep bringing up how Gasol is on the decline yet he still put up better numbers than Josh. Trading Josh is not the end of the world people. Its not the first move I would make but its better than nothing. Once again got to love the logic on here. Now Josh is better than guys who have won rings, been multiple all stars, and have made the all pro teams? You guys seriously overrate Josh.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:50 pm

The Hawks should move to Seattle, better yet move this team to hell. With the proposals alone, this team has ruin any plans of me watching them in person next year. I never hear the Falcons are looking to trade Roddy White to land an aging Derrick Mason and a 1st. Stupidity in even proposals lowers the value of your team. You see Houston. LA tried to say they want Gasol, Houston came out ASAP and said hell naw. Made their fanbase feel good. The Hawks, no, not a damn word.

Say Whaaaaaaaaat?

June 27th, 2012
8:50 pm

Lemme get this straight. Josh Smith for Pau Gausol.

We would send a young athletic stat stuffing forward to LA.

In return we get an old slow NO-Power Power Forward.

If this trade goes down, Danny Ferry should be Fired!!!!

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
8:50 pm

Jake, totally agree…
“Remember josh has been playing for 10 years in the NBA. Most players play 14 years. His time is almost up.”

Josh has one more big contract left in him, so 5 years or so as a SF…..I’m ready to move him, but would prefer to go younger to save cap space.

Daddy Long Long

June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

Oh hell nawl, let LA deal with Pau Gasol!! So glad we don’t have a lottery pick for LA to pluck.

Dueces

random

June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

air zaza josh smith has only 1 year left on his contract lol that is not the same thing

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

June 18, 1985, a date that will live in Hawks infamy….

“With the 5th pick in the NBA draft, the Atlanta Hawks select……….Jon Koncak.

NBA TV giving it to Fratello while he passes over Karl Malone who goes 13th.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

real cp, he can’t protect the rim, his rebounds will drop playing next to Al, this wouldn’t make Al any better as teams can PnR Gasol to death, we don’t protect the rim, we are undersized, Horf and Gasol are redundant, Gasol on wants to play back to the basket on some nights and not others. You guys are talking like his back to the basket game is Wilt, his back to the basket game is inconsistent. His face up game is more consistent and that’s what we have Horf for. Horf and Josh at least are great fit on defense. Horf and Gasol don’t fit on offense and defense. This is a stupid ass deal. Only a retard would do this.

Just Joe

June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

The trade should be Josh and Marvin for Gasol and their 2014 first rd pick. The draft pick is important. This trade also frees up a couple million in cap space for the upcoming year.

Meidzo

June 27th, 2012
8:53 pm

Josh is what is known as a “local” favorite! A PF that shoots 43%? Say that again four times. If Josh had as much passion for improving his game as this blog’s jock riders he would have made All NBA (not be pouting because the Hawks did not push him for the All Star game).

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:55 pm

Pau Gasol
J.R. Rider
Jon Koncak
Danny Manning

This would be the Mt. Rushmore of stupidity for the Atlanta franchise.

Jake

June 27th, 2012
8:55 pm

The Hawks should move to Seattle, better yet move this team to hell. With the proposals alone, this team has ruin any plans of me watching them in person this year. I never here the Falcons are looking to trade Roddy White to land an aging Derrick Mason and a 1st. Stupidity in even proposals lowers the value. You see Houston. LA tried to say they want Gasol, Houston came out ASAP and said hell naw. Made their fanbase feel good. The Hawks, no, not a damn word.

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Yeah but Roddy doesn’t want to leave. We have no choice but get rid of Josh

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:55 pm

I already want to fire Ferry

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:56 pm

Who on the Hawks doesn’t want to leave?

Jaded Hawks Fan

June 27th, 2012
8:58 pm

Gasol is a good player, but he’s not a good fit here. Neither he nor Horford are big or physical enough to play C. Having both of them in the lineup seems redundant and would make us extremely soft down low.

Let’s focus our effort on getting a true defensive center in exchange for Josh, then we can move Horford to the 4 where he can finally reach his full potential. He’s played out of position for five years without complaint. We owe it to him to finally get a legit big to ease his burden.

random

June 27th, 2012
8:58 pm

air zaza you should leave this blog talking wreckless

glw

June 27th, 2012
8:58 pm

Im not buying this article. Its an article written by an LA guy, of course he is going to play up trading Gasol. Man, the Hawks aint paying Joe and Gasol 40 million. If Josh is traded, its for lesser salary and or draft picks.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
8:59 pm

slim,

Bosh: 18.0 ppg, 7.9 reb., 0.8 blocks, 1.8 assists, 2.43 to
Gasol: 17.4ppg, 10.4 reb., 1.4 blocks, 3.2 assists, 2.18 to

Gasol was competing with Bynum for rebounds, while Bosh was competing with Joel Anthony. Has anyone ever mistaken Joel Anthony for Andrew Bynum? ;-)

And notice that Bosh had more turnovers than he did assists. Gasol was 5th among forwards in assists, but Josh was the only PF to have more (the others were SF), while Bosh was 27th among forwards.

I’m saying at best it’s a wash between Bosh and Gasol, but that’s just my opinion. Bosh IS younger, as you say, but those turnovers are ugly. I think Gasol brings more things than Bosh does.
More rebounding, more blocks, and more assists, and fewer turnovers.

Just Joe

June 27th, 2012
8:59 pm

Air ZaZa…so Gasol playing next to Horford rather than Bynum would make his rebounds go down???

You do realize that Gasol has shot better than 50% from the field for 9 straight years. So his inconsistent offense is still better than most of the PF’s in the league.

Gasol avgd 1.4 blocks per game. Josh avgd 1.7 blocks per game.

This isn’t a slam dunk deal. Who wins or loses is in the smaller details. Can the Hawks get a future pick out of the deal?

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
8:59 pm

The Hawks are a stupid organization.One of the worse in sports entertainment. A complete joke of a franchise. Their owners spend most of their ownership in court and talking crap about vet players in the league. They paid Joe Johnson more money than Lebron James and Dwayne Wade. They are mentions in crappy trade rumors. They are a running joke.

Just Joe

June 27th, 2012
9:01 pm

Jaded Hawks Fan…..you’ve got until the trade deadline to find this “true defensive center” that’s available. Who will it be?

Bird

June 27th, 2012
9:02 pm

I would rather trade Smooth for Gasol, instead of letting Smooth walk and not get anything.

Jake

June 27th, 2012
9:02 pm

You guys need to think before you speak. THINK. WOULD YOU RATHER LOOSE JOSH FOR NOTHING OR GET GASOL FOR JOSH. We Will no AND I REPEAT will not get a better player than gasol for smith. Teams would rather wait till he gets the hell out ATL so they can sign him and get him rather than giving any of their players up.

The Real cp

June 27th, 2012
9:03 pm

Well Just Joe and Sautee just made the point I was going to make about Gasol and his rebounds. Lmao@he would be competing with Horford for rebounds. I love how you ignored that Gasol grabbed 10 boards a game while Bynum grabbed almost 12 a night if im correct. Bynum was a better rebounder than Al this past season and Gasol still mangaged to grab 10 a game. Your argument is weak

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:04 pm

Yes, Bynum is a big body. He clear space for other players to get boards. You do watch the Lakers right? Look at his rebounding numbers when Bynum is playing and when he isn’t.
2. He is playing with a #1 option in Kobe Bryant who is(was) a superstar. Kobe can deal with double teams and triple teams and create offense for Gasol. You notice the direct correlation with Kobe regression as Gasol does as well.
3.Josh effect defenses attacking the paint. Look at point in the paint with Smith for us and without Smith. Smith is an defensive anchor who can guard two positions and alter a lot of shots for us. To just bring up blocks is stupid. Horford has a good number of blocks, does that make him half shot blocker Smith is for us? Don’t be stupid.

BIG DOG

June 27th, 2012
9:05 pm

Jake – COM ON MAN

Think before you speak,

HA

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Jaded Hawks Fan

June 27th, 2012
9:05 pm

“Jaded Hawks Fan…..you’ve got until the trade deadline to find this “true defensive center” that’s available. Who will it be?”

I don’t pretend to know. Maybe Chris Kaman. I just know Gasol would not be a good fit. Not a knock against him, but I don’t see how he and Al would work well together.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:05 pm

Hold on till Josh for ASB. The Knicks will be in cap hell for the future. Trade Josh Smith for Melo or Tyson Chandler. Superior deal for us to Pau Gasol.

terrell

June 27th, 2012
9:06 pm

Stats dont tell the whole story. Again, not knocking Josh. Just sayin.

Just Joe

June 27th, 2012
9:06 pm

Gasol’s expiring contract as he just finished up a 20 & 10 season will be worth a lot next summer. More than Josh this summer.

crawdiddy72

June 27th, 2012
9:06 pm

for you fools taking about blow it up, that would be detrimential to these franchise. the fans dont come out to support this team now and they are winning. no one would show up if the hawks were the bobcats.

the hawks have to get rid of marvin williams. i think it will be either golden state or toronto for him. the hawks actually played better without al horford. the hawks should have traded him for darren williams a year ago. i think you trade al horford for gasol. resign josh for 12 million. get a two guard move joe to the three. and get a decent bench

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm

Joel Anthony isn’t a big enough body in the paint. Do you guys understand anything about Basketball? The bigger bodies can clear out the lane for others to scoop in and grab boards. A frontline with Bosh and Anthony will never be a threat on the boards. Too small. In Toronto next to just a good body big in Bargs, Bosh was getting 10-11 rpg.

BIG DOG

June 27th, 2012
9:09 pm

I would rather keep Josh and let him walk for nothing, than add another dead weight salarie to this team.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:11 pm

I rather go all in for Dwight Howard, trade with Houston, wait for next year and trade with NY, I rather a lot of things before I even consider Pau Gasol. He is not even an option. This is just a stupid deal created by a LA Times writer who are known to create Laker propaganda that only helps the Lakers.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:12 pm

I rather a TPE than Pau Gasol.

Jake

June 27th, 2012
9:12 pm

@Air Zaza

Hahaha yeah sure….the knicks are going to trade basically 2 of their best core players for smith.

Switch back to reality please

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:13 pm

I said Melo or Chandler and they won’t have much of a choice.

random

June 27th, 2012
9:14 pm

Air zaza if you knew anything about basketball you would know that barganani wasn’t a good rebounder.

Jake

June 27th, 2012
9:14 pm

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:15 pm

random, if you were smart I would actual care about what you write but you aren’t. You’re an idiot.

Ken Strickland

June 27th, 2012
9:17 pm

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:17 pm

random stupid ass can’t read for s…. I said good bigger body. Bargs is known around the league for boxing out well and creating space for other to get rebounds even though he doesn’t get many boards. But random is a dumbass.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
9:19 pm

For those of you who would not do the Josh and Marvin for Gasol trade, what do you think the Hawks should do with Josh (assuming he does not come out/tell Ferry that he wants to be here)?

Do you play the year with Josh and hope he can be convinced to re-sign, and risk losing him for nothing?

If we lose him for nothing, fans will kill the ASG, and the Hawks will take a step back.

If you try and trade him at the trade deadline, you will not get much for him, because the team that trades for him will only have him for half a season, and maybe the playoffs.

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:19 pm

Air Zaza reminds me of a joker.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:19 pm

I will be very honest to say that with Danny Ferry at the helm, I don’t have any idea of the direction this team may go in, but something makes me think that Ferry will take a look at the core of the team before making dramatic changes. Josh Smith is a hot topic (as always), but I have said many times that unless the Hawks get a deal that is an obvious win, Smoove will be in Atlanta at least until the trade deadline if he doesn’t sign an extension.

End the topic Michael. Nothing to see here.

The Real cp

June 27th, 2012
9:20 pm

lol so now he grabs all those rebounds because Bynum has a big body and clears out space lmaooooooo. So why was he grabbing 10 boards a game before he even came to the Lakers?

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:22 pm

Big bodies generally do that if they are able to move. That’s way you generally want size in your front-line.

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:22 pm

Pau Gasol is a garbage defensive player. Offensively he’s very good, but he doesn’t seem to bring his all on the defensive end. If I were the Hawk’s, on draft night I would call Chicago and ask if they have any interest in Josh, and ask if they want to do a Josh for Noah trade. Chicago is in a bad cap situation and it would make sense for them to trade us Noah. They could then re-sign Asik and put him as their starting Center. You don’t trade Josh for a crap deal, you trade him for equal-great deal.

Air Zaza DUMBASS

June 27th, 2012
9:22 pm

OH I GOT A GOOD IDEA. TRADE SMITH,ZAZA,JOHNSON,TEAGUE FOR LEBRON. THEN TRADE A DRAFT PICK FOR CARMELO!!

WE WOULD BE AWESOME

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:25 pm

But Air-Zaza, you’re taking this very seriously bro. Calm down, and here other people’s opinions before calling them an idiot.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:25 pm

Gasol is decent defensively, he is not garbage at anything. He is just like Joe. In fact, he’s the front court Joe Johnson. A robin, not a Batman but a Robin. Own his own, he hasn’t even won a playoff game. Josh Smith is more impactful and has more elite traits than Gasol who has no just like Joe. They have no weaknesses. Just not elite traits. We would lock ourselves into mediocrity if we do this deal.

tjhook

June 27th, 2012
9:25 pm

I am hoping you are right about Smith, Air Zaza. What do you think about the team bringing in a veteran point guard to help discipline the offense (Iso Joe, Mr. “two-pointer” Smith)? I’ve been pushing fof Andre Miller under the mid-level exception

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
9:25 pm

Bargs is known around the league for boxing out well and creating space for other to get rebounds even though he doesn’t get many boards..

Dude averages 5 rpg for his career, but he is known for boxing out? Known around the league by who?

I rather go all in for Dwight Howard.

It takes 2 teams to make a deal, and we have not heard anything about Orlando being interested in a JJ and Al deal.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:27 pm

Gasol is decent defensively, he is not garbage at anything. He is just like Joe. In fact, he’s the front court Joe Johnson. A robin, not a Batman but a Robin. On his own, he hasn’t even won a playoff game. Josh Smith is more impactful and has more elite traits than Gasol who has none just like Joe. They have no weaknesses. Just no elite traits either. We would lock ourselves into mediocrity if we do this deal. Smoove might be up and down in terms of skills but at least he is elite in a lot of areas even if he’s awful in others.

tjhook

June 27th, 2012
9:28 pm

Air Zaza,

I disagree with you about Joe. He may not have the will but he definitely has the skill. Joe just seems too stupid to realize that he got that money to be the leader of the franchise and not just the best player. Attitude and approach can make up for talent when a good one makes all the players feel like good things can happen through effort.

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:28 pm

Well, he isn’t garbage at defense, but he doesn’t seem to put much effort into defense. Like when he alowed Blake Griffin to dunk on him, TWICE IN ONE GAME, and he didn’t try to contest it.

random

June 27th, 2012
9:29 pm

air zaza you forgot what u wrote after that about bosh and his rebounds there? Bosh had a higher rebound there because barg didnt rebound much. Hes an offensive center. So whos the dumb one now?

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:29 pm

@O’Brien

It’s on his scouting report. His game film. It’s a rare trait that he has. Coaches around the league notice. Toronto fans notice. Most causal fans don’t but how many NBA fans watch the Raptors play?

Al and Joe for Dwight too much. Joe and Josh or just Al. Can’t have Al and one of our core players.

Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
9:30 pm

Funny, “big and physical”. For what, for who? Ewing, Admiral, Olajuwon and Mourning? We just watched two teams in the Finals that were capable of executing on both ends of the floor. Two teams that demonstrated an ability to listen to direction, play hard for their teammates and stay focused on the ultimate prize.

But alas, this report is old news. The Hawks called the Lakers a good 3+ weeks ago. Earlier today, a report surfaced that the Lakers were gauging interest in moving Gasol for a top 10 pick and an established player. So it doesn’t take too much to figure that the Lakers have decided that they rather fish for something better than what the Hawks are offering. Some are acting like Josh is too much in exchange for Gasol while the Lakers have been sitting on that offer for over 20 days.

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:31 pm

The only deal(s) that make sense for Josh Smith is Josh Smith for Joakim Noah.

Chicago is trying to clear cap space, and Josh brings just about the same defense but more offense than Noah so it would make sense.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
9:33 pm

“Sautee, you know damn well that we can get a better deal than this anytime.” – airzaza

Better than a 3 time All-NBA player? And those years were the 3 previous to this past season.

LOL, go ahead and name who else we could get for Josh that has been an All-NBA player multiple times.

I’ll wait.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:34 pm

random, shut up stupid. You can be as offensive as you want but if you are around rebounds, it will be hard to get them. Look at Josh offreb%, it’s weak since he spends a lot of possessions wandering around the perimeter. But Bargs is generally around the basket. He is generally blocking out, clear things for others to get a chance. No matter who you are, if will be hard to get offensive rebounds if Josh is your partner. Rebounding is a part of partnership for bigs in the front court. If you can get boards from SF, that’s needed. If you can get them from PG or SG, that’s a plus but rebounding more than just who the player is and what not. His partnership matters as well. If you are next to Dwight or Love, you aren’t going to get as many boards, I don’t care who you are.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:35 pm

random, shut up stupid. You can be as offensive as you want but if you aren’t around rebounds, it will be hard to get them. Look at Josh offreb%, it’s weak since he spends a lot of possessions wandering around the perimeter. But Bargs is generally around the basket. He is generally blocking out, clear things for others to get a chance. No matter who you are, if will be hard to get offensive rebounds if Josh is your partner. Rebounding is a part of partnership for bigs in the front court. If you can get boards from SF, that’s needed. If you can get them from PG or SG, that’s a plus but rebounding more than just who the player is and what not. His partnership matters as well. If you are next to Dwight or Love, you aren’t going to get as many boards, I don’t care who you are.

hawksfancents95

June 27th, 2012
9:35 pm

i think all of these talks about gasol and josh is all dependent on what GM DF thinks is best for the hawks going forward. asg and josh seem to be fraying but if GM DF thinks josh should be re-signed he can step in and mend their(asg js5) relationship and let josh play this season out and see if we can meet standards established by asg GM DF and josh smith this off-season for this upcoming season. we are in good shape and with everyone healthy and back with a few new role players/draftees we can be a 2 or 3 seed in the EC. and besides if we let josh go now we wont get all this great and unselfish play so he can get a max type contract on the open market, we all win if he stays for this season, unless WE get the better end of a major deal.

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:37 pm

No one is stupid.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:37 pm

Look at Josh on tape, he rarely boxes out. Zaza does occasionally as does Horf. No one is really good at it on our team. In LA, Gasol doesn’t box out much either. That is okay next to a 7′1 290 pound guy and the player on you is 6′8 240 but when you have a 6′9 245 guy and the person on you is 7′0 260. It makes the world of difference.

PD

June 27th, 2012
9:38 pm

This is a Bad Trade! Pau Gasol is on the decline. Josh is entering his prime. Trade Joe and Marvin…….maybe even “Oh my boob hurts!” Al Horford

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
9:38 pm

from espn.com;

The Philadelphia 76ers, Minnesota Timberwolves and Boston Celtics are all actively pursuing a trade for Portland Trail Blazers guard Jamal Crawford, according to a report by Comcast SportsNet Northwest.

According to the report, which cites a league source, the Los Angeles Clippers and Phoenix Suns also have shown interest in the veteran guard..

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:38 pm

@SQUAWK:
random is really stupid. Maybe some others here but no one really stands out but random.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
9:39 pm

No matter who you are, if will be hard to get offensive rebounds if Josh is your partner..

Josh Smith takes alot of jumpers, so shouldnt that help you get more rebounds if you are around the basket?

And last year, Al averaged 9 rpg alongside Josh.

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
9:41 pm

Air Zaza,

How come Gasol has averaged over 10 rpg the last 3 years, despite playing next to Bynum, who also averages double digit rebounds?

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:44 pm

Al would be a 11-12 rpg with most true centers. If anything, it hurt Al. With Gasol, he would be at least over 10rpg but his defense would greatly suffer without Smith and Gasol replacing him. You noticed how Zaza is much better on D with Smith than with Horford. Smith covers for slow non movement bigs. Smith covered for Bibby and Jamal so many times. Smith is a much better defensive player than even he gets credit for.

justahawkfan

June 27th, 2012
9:44 pm

Air Zaza,

I disagree with you about Joe. He may not have the will but he definitely has the skill. Joe just seems too stupid to realize that he got that money to be the leader of the franchise and not just the best player. Attitude and approach can make up for talent when a good one makes all the players feel like good things can happen through effort

Let me think now. Joe is getting paid 20+ million dollars per year and he seem too stupid. Makes me say hmmmmmmmm!

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:46 pm

Doesn’t hurt to have your opinion, even if you think it’s “elementary thinking/logic”.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:47 pm

Bynum is 7′1 290 pounds with solid athleticism. Both of these players have above average rebounding fundamentals so of course he is getting boards by there combined size alone. That’s hard to deal with for most front-courts. Acting like Bynum=Horford is stupid because one is so much bigger than the other and can battle with anyone size wise Al can’t and never have been able to either.

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:47 pm

Joakim Noah or hell no.

SQUAWK

June 27th, 2012
9:48 pm

Just like Pau Gasol, he’s been rumored to be on the trade block, and I believe Atlanta can give them one of the best deals for him.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:49 pm

Joe is a very good player. But why pay a player who is #2 option at best and isn’t elite at nothing that kind of money when you don’t have a Kobe, Lebron, or Wade as #1. Joe contract wouldn’t bother me if he was a legit #2 option.

Sugar Ray

June 27th, 2012
9:51 pm

LOL You can tell knows basketball based on these responses.

Pau Gasol is a championship PF, modern day Kevin McHale.

Josh cstill an’t even make his case to get into the all star game after, what, EIGHT years?

Pau is “declining” yet his numbers are still better than Josh last season.

This is hilarious.

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
9:53 pm

Sautee, interesting Stats you posted…

Bosh could average 25-28 pts. a night with his offensive skills if he were the #1 or #2 option.. He’s [holding back] to [fit in] with Miami’s schemes….

But I will agree with you that the stats posted basically say they are a wash.

I’d just rather go younger and draft a potential star or two? Gasol and All aren’t taking you to a Finals or ECF. Just do not like those two playing together….

I believe Danny will not pull the trigger on that one..

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:54 pm

LOL, McHale>>>Gasol. You smoking that pipe son. You mentioning that soft POS who like to wander to the FT line constantly to a legend like Kevin McHale much less a dude who is also regressing.

You know what Ray, let’s say McHale and Gasol are close? Gasol is clearly regressing but whatever since we are speaking in hypotheticals. Who is our prime Larry Bird or prime Kobe Bryant?

Sugar Ray

June 27th, 2012
9:55 pm

“Josh Smith is more impactful and has more elite traits than Gasol”

LMAO! So the guy who was the focal point for Phil Jackson’s triangle offense, that won back to back championships, is not as impactful as Josh Smith, who has accomplished what exactly?

Elite traits? LOL

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
9:57 pm

That was the most incredible poster dunk on Gasol in the last 10 years by Griffin..

It was surreal…. More to come?

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
9:58 pm

There is nothing elite about Pau Gasol. He is a Robin. He has no real weaknesses which is his biggest strength. Just like Joe Johnson. Josh is elite at running the court for his position, protecting the rim, off ball defense, court vision for his position, athleticism and finishing. Gasol is very skilled and a multi-faceted talent.

Wabe

June 27th, 2012
10:00 pm

Gasol doesn’t do anything for me…

Not sure why you’d go this direction. He’s past his prime. Seems to be on the downside.

But, makes sense if you’re the Hawks, huh? Trade a player that’s on his way up for a guy that’s either on his way down or knockin’ on that door.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:00 pm

Odom ran the triangle offense and Kobe was the most important and the best player in the triangle. You know who created a lot of Gasol shots? Odom and Kobe.

Sugar Ray

June 27th, 2012
10:02 pm

“There is nothing elite about Pau Gasol. He is a Robin.”

LMAO! You must have missed those championships Pau was leading the Lakers to when Kobe was stinkin’ up the joint. And what was Josh doing in that time? Oh yeah, another early exit. Atlanta will never win anything with that crybaby Josh around.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
10:03 pm

“Yes, Bynum is a big body. He clear space for other players to get boards. You do watch the Lakers right? Look at his rebounding numbers when Bynum is playing and when he isn’t.” – Air Zaza

I did. Gasol did nearly as well without Bynum (10.4 to 9.8)

“Do you guys understand anything about Basketball? The bigger bodies can clear out the lane for others to scoop in and grab boards.” – Air Zaza

So, if a big body next to you is a prime factor in what’s necessary to get rebounds, how is D12 getting all those rebounds with 6′7″ Brandon Bass next to him?

Maybe I just don’t understand anything about basketball. ;-)

just a thought..

June 27th, 2012
10:03 pm

You would think that one of the reasons why Gasol “regressed” is because he wasn’t playing the triangle offense anymore.

Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
10:05 pm

Lakers want a better deal. LOL. Kupchak is looking for a top 10 pick and a player rather than make the trade for Josh (that has been sitting on his coffee table next to the May issue of Esquire Magazine).

billyBobjacket

June 27th, 2012
10:06 pm

Can we just sell the hawks to an out of town owner and just start over from scratch?

Sugar Ray

June 27th, 2012
10:07 pm

“Odom ran the triangle offense and Kobe was the most important and the best player in the triangle.”

Tell me what the Lakers accomplished the years before the Gasol trade.

Odom was there, Phil was there, Kobe was there. How far did they go before Pau showed up?

Nevermind, you don’t know anything about the NBA and just love overrated Jumpshot Josh. Carry on.

just a thought..

June 27th, 2012
10:07 pm

This is just speculation from the LA times.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:07 pm

@Sautee

Josh had next to Zaza 9.6 and in the playoffs 13.6.

Dwight can get double teamed and still get the rebound because he is that fundamentally sound, that big, that athletic, and that good at rebounding. Dwight is one of the greatest rebounders to play Basketball. Dwight can play next to anyone in partnership unless he’s going up v. Bynum. Then it matters a little but due to Dwight not being able to just out size Bynum like he does with others.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:08 pm

The Lakers had Kwame Brown.

Pau Gasol>>>>Kwame Brown

Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
10:09 pm

Sautee, 6′7″ Brandon Bass gave way to 6′7″ Glenn Davis and tall & slender Ryan Anderson (in lieu of tall & slender Rashard Lewis).

Get Real

June 27th, 2012
10:10 pm

Gasol is light years better than Josh Smith. (I can’t believe there is actually a debate about this!)

BUT

Gasol is nowhere close to Kevin McHale. McHale was probably one of the 4-5 most unguardable players in history (along with Wilt, MJ, Kareem, ?) He was able to defend both the low post and regularly went out on the floor to check Bird, Dr. J, Worthy, Nique and others.

Sugar Ray

June 27th, 2012
10:11 pm

Pau Gasol has a chance to go to the Hall of Fame. The only hall Josh Smith is going to is the poolhall.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:11 pm

Josh Smith is better than Gasol right now. Gasol was light years better in 2005, not even as good as him in 2012.

FreshmakerGT

June 27th, 2012
10:12 pm

Argh…we never should’ve traded Gasol away in the first place! But yeah getting him now at the cost of Josh would be dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. Maybe the Lakers will take Duck instead? ;)

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:13 pm

Pau would have no shot in hell at the hall with the Hawks unless he played with a superstar like Kobe here. Pau in Memphis didn’t even win a playoff game. Ray, stfu. This is stupid. Playing with guys like Kobe, Lebron and Rose is a lot better than Joe Johnson as your #1 or yourself as a #1.

Sugar Ray

June 27th, 2012
10:14 pm

Look at you getting all upset now. Hahaha!

Jumpshot Josh!

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:15 pm

@Ray

Trollin me son?

Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
10:16 pm

Sugar Ray, that pool hall line had me LMAO.

random

June 27th, 2012
10:16 pm

Air Zaza you clearly know nothing about the nba and yet i find it hard to believe someone like you calling me stupid? Its very hard for me to be offended by your comments.

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
10:18 pm

Danny saves the Day! LOL!

Sund kick rocks yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gasol is not coming to Atlanta…Whew………..

Just Joe

June 27th, 2012
10:18 pm

I think this is old news and is a post-draft move anyway, which means Josh may not even be around by then. What will Houston offer???

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
10:20 pm

two escorts to the rim? No thanks…..

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:21 pm

random, isn’t it your bedtime? I know your parents do not let you stay up past 10PM.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
10:21 pm

To be real, Pau’s shot at the HOF is based mostly on his International credentials, and not his NBA days, though the Championships will certainly help.

And I believe that Sugar Ray likened him to a “modern day Kevin McHale”, and NOT that Pau was “better than McHale”. Which he certainly is NOT.

I still want someone to tell me which player we could trade Josh for, who would be better than Gasol.

Still waiting.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:24 pm

Top 3 to 5 pick
A lot of mid 1st Draft picks
Tyson Chandler
Joakim Noah
Melo
Package for Dwight Howard
Andrew Bynum
John Wall
Package for Ricky Rubio

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:25 pm

He’s not a modern day McHale.
Al Jefferson
Kevin Love
Z-Bo would all be better choices for that.

Pau Gasol is Pau Gasol

An all around big with no weaknesses skill wise.

random

June 27th, 2012
10:33 pm

air zaza you still raging mad? im not a kid either notice im not using profanity of no such unlike you. An if i were a kid just think you would be arguing with a kid, how mature does that make you. lol

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
10:35 pm

O’B, I’m still not against letting Josh walk after next season. A team isn’t going to the Finals with Joe or Al as their second best player, or with Josh as their best player. So I couldn’t care less if the Hawks woke up with Josh and Al off the roster with Joe amnestied. Ferry is great at evaluating draft picks. If I’m a new GM with a 6 year deal, I’m open to rebuilding the ENTIRE roster if necessary.

If we are honest, over the last 2 seasons, since signing his deal, Al has not produced enough in comparison to his numbers. His numbers haven’t been that much better than Okafor or even Camby’s (when healthy). Paying $12 Million for 14 and 10 isn’t necessarily a great deal. Its decent value, but we can’t say he’s been the player we all envisioned after his first two seasons in the league.

SuckerFree

June 27th, 2012
10:36 pm

LeBron James is 27…shoots (settles for) long jumpers when he should take it to the rim and then overnight…..he realized his worth and proceeded to dominate from the area he is most effective.

I know LBJ is the MVP and best player on Earth. I know this. But Josh Smith is a top 20 player (15 is arguable but 20 definitely) and last year we saw flashes of maturity.

With a player of Josh’ talent level you have to live with the bad. You just live with it.

Yes he takes 1 too many jumpers when he’s playing great. That’s the same way Rondo will get thrown out of a playoff game, or Lebron will launch airballs at the end of games or Westbrook will take 30 shots to Durants 19, or Wade will jog back on defense after a no call.

Deal with it because when he’s gone we will miss him. If you think Pau Gasol will come here and average 20 and 10 you are high

Ra'mon

June 27th, 2012
10:39 pm

O’B, I’m saying you look at the Hawks big three, and Josh is the only player (IMO) who still will improve.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:40 pm

@Ramon

Al is much much better than Okafor. Al is probably one of the most gifted players in the NBA. We just do not have the personnel to use him correctly.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:41 pm

I think Al and Josh are still improving.

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
10:41 pm

To me, the only name on the list that the GM would listen without giggling is Noah. You overrate Josh to a huge degree. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve said repeatedly that I wish he’d stay, but it’s useless to throw out names of players who have multiple All-Star selections (Melo) as if Josh is their peer. Gimme a freakin’ break.

And NO ONE is giving us a top 3 to 5 pick for Josh, not knowing if he’d be a rental. Dream on. This isn’t a fantasy league. And Josh alone is not a good enough draw for a team to take a chance.

And did Chandler and Noah make All-NBA three straight years? I didn’t think so.

Tell me the packages you envision for Rubio and for D12.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:42 pm

Josh isn’t a rental player. He’s not Deron or Dwight. Teams don’t clear cap just to sign Josh Smith. If anything, he would sign an extension. He would sign one here if we offered.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:43 pm

@Sautee,

You severely undervalue Josh Smith. As far as I am concerned, we agree to disagree.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:44 pm

Josh had better overall numbers last year than everyone of the guys I listed outside of Bynum.

Air Zaza

June 27th, 2012
10:45 pm

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
10:47 pm

Air Zaza,

The “modern day McHale” comment was Sugar Ray’s, so I’ll let him defend that.

To me there is no player in the league that I would compare to McHale. He had a rare blend of amazing footwork, skill, AND craftiness around the rim. The only other player I can think of with that combo was Olajuwon.

random

June 27th, 2012
10:48 pm

Its not about the numbers its about what fits best for the team

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
10:48 pm

“Astro Joe

June 27th, 2012
10:05 pm
Lakers want a better deal. LOL. Kupchak is looking for a top 10 pick”

AJ, I say the Lakers want MKG, and they are trying to get to 5 to get him. I think it was you who said that Joe doesn’t make sense there because of the shots he takes away from Kobe….you’re right about that.

MKG fits on a lot of teams…teams that have enough offense. I would like him here, but I don’t trust Al/Joe/Josh for another year. It may have to go that route, but Josh won’t be coming back, mainly because someone else will have to pay him and Ferry won’t do it.

One more Josh note: I remember him coming up and comparisons to Kirilenko, a guy who could do a lot of things. Well, you see where Kirilenko is today, not exactly being fawned over by the league.
I’m not sure Josh’s value will get any higher than it is today.

Now is the time to go get pick #5 and get us a guy we can develop alongside Joe, Al, & Teague.

So, in looking at 5, which Sac def wants to get rid of, you gotta take that shot, and they are looking for a PG if Lowry has been as rumored to them as he has. I believe they would love to snatch Josh and put him next to Cousins. Get that 5 pick, take the best of what’s after the first 4, and then use 23 to fill a bench role.

No need to take Tyreke if we don’t have to either…..we need to take away some salary first. Keep it simple…Josh for the 5 straight up, then take a shot at Nash. Then Teague can be moved if needed and fill another role.

Will it take 10M/year to get Nash? I think so.

Nash / Joe / new starter / Al / Zaza
2 draft picks

Still can’t find a sensible deal for Marvin….he has amnesty written all over him.

High-sider

June 27th, 2012
10:51 pm

“from espn.com;

The Philadelphia 76ers, Minnesota Timberwolves and Boston Celtics are all actively pursuing a trade for Portland Trail Blazers guard Jamal Crawford, according to a report by Comcast SportsNet Northwest…” – O’Brien @9:38pm dated 6/27/2012

And some of you (bloggers) said Jamal Crawford was a “washed-up has-been” whose best days were behind him (Crawford) but, yet, he is being aggressively pursued for his services by two EC playoff teams – one (team) made the 2012 ECF (Celtics) and the other (team) made the 2012 EC Semifinals (76ers). GM Danny Ferry, what are you doing?

O’Brien, thanks for the update (on Jamal Crawford).

KevinM

June 27th, 2012
10:51 pm

DAldridge has us taking Melo with the 23rd pick. Can’t we do better than a project?

Get me a shooter at 23.

Hey Slim, DA has Nicholson heading to OKC at 28……can he beat out Cole Aldrich? :)

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
10:52 pm

“Josh isn’t a rental player. He’s not Deron or Dwight. Teams don’t clear cap just to sign Josh Smith. If anything, he would sign an extension. He would sign one here if we offered.”

OK, so you are saying that, say Sacramento traded us the #5 pick for Josh, that he would stay there and sign an extension rather than bolt to Brooklyn to play with Dwight? Seriously?

falCans

June 27th, 2012
10:56 pm

DUMBEST TRADE EVER!!! GASOLFOR HORFORD WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE YOUR TRADIN ONE SOFT FOR ANOTHER SOFT. JOSH SCORES REBOUNDS PASSES AND BLOCKS. GASOL CANT MATCH SMOOVES PRODUCTION ND COSTS TWICE AS MUCH. FERRY TOO SMART FPR THAT

random

June 27th, 2012
10:56 pm

Sautee that air zaza guy doesn’t know nothing man, hes making himself look like a fool plain and simple.

SuckerFree

June 27th, 2012
10:56 pm

@Sautee

YOu know and I know that Josh Smith has been snubbed 3 straight years on the all star game. They elected to put Roy Friggin Hibbert in over Josh Smith this year and that was just a collosal crime. Every year ESPN has him on the snub list but no shoew

Other players know that Josh Smith is the real deal and not only is he the real deal he is one of the most difficult matchups in the NBA and easily one of the most unique players. Josh Smith is a beast

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
10:57 pm

High-Sider,

about this: “GM Ferry will move a good player with some attitude issues like Josh Smith but will look to keep an overrated, mediocre player like Kirk Hinrich.” – High-Sider

What are you basing this accusation on?

Big Cat

June 27th, 2012
11:04 pm

Didn’t Gasol play for the Hawks years ago before he was traded to Memphis? Once is enough. We don’t need him back!

Sautee

June 27th, 2012
11:04 pm

SuckerFree,

“YOu know and I know that Josh Smith has been snubbed 3 straight years on the all star game. They elected to put Roy Friggin Hibbert in over Josh Smith this year and that was just a collosal crime. Every year ESPN has him on the snub list but no shoew”

NO doubt Josh got snubbed. No doubt at all. But it wasn’t Hibbert, who is a center, and the coaches (who vote on the players other than starters) had to vote for a center to fill out the roster.

Rondo, who Stern named, was probably who knocked Josh out, if he didn’t knock himself out with the Nothing But Associates quip. But he certainly deserved to be there, for the last couple of years.

Slimjr

June 27th, 2012
11:06 pm

KevinM, gosh I hope DA IS TOTALLY OFF ON THE Hawks pick? I too don’t want another Big Stiff that gets cut before the season begins…Wow!!!

O'Brien

June 27th, 2012
11:09 pm

Slimjr,
Bosh could average 25-28 pts. a night with his offensive skills if he were the #1 or #2 option.. He’s [holding back] to [fit in] with Miami’s schemes…..
In Toronto, Bosh did have good numbers. But in 7 seasons in Toronto, he only led his team to the playoffs twice. And both times, he lost in the first round.
So if Pau Gasol deserves some heat for never leading his team past the first round, then Bosh deserves some heat as well (and Gasol led his team (Memphis) to the playoffs more often than Bosh, not to mention Gasol was playing in the tougher West).

Wabe,

You do realize that Josh is a free agent after this season, and can walk away, right…which means we would lose him for nothing. And then what?

doc

June 27th, 2012
11:13 pm

Could not post thru iPhone but suggested I might take pau for josh and Marvin if I got Matt Barnes too and maybe a draft pick from the lakers. I’d do almost anything to move Marvin for a change of scenery …. mine.

Glad some folks have projected the point guard you like will be available when we pick and we grab him.

Will head down to phillips tomorrrow to check out the scene and the new restaurant.

Contractor

June 27th, 2012
11:16 pm

I don’t know a ton about basketball, but could we not ship Joe Johnson’s butt off and keep Josh Smith? Smith has way more upside and ability than Joe Johnson in my eyes. I was baffled with that HUGE contract. Could have gotten any other player in the league for that much and done away with Joe Johnson’s over the hill butt.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
11:20 pm

“Do you play the year with Josh and hope he can be convinced to re-sign, and risk losing him for nothing?

If we lose him for nothing, fans will kill the ASG, and the Hawks will take a step back.

If you try and trade him at the trade deadline, you will not get much for him, because the team that trades for him will only have him for half a season, and maybe the playoffs.”

I’d rather go all out this season and lose him for nothing next summer than add three years and nearly $60 million worth of a player who is going to keep this team mired in the exact same place they currently are.

I would hope, though, that Ferry realizes that this core can’t go anywhere and starts blowing it up this summer, before the season starts. Like I have said before, any breakup of this core has to start with Joe and Marvin. In addition to them, if Josh is to be traded, it may be better to trade him this summer, but I think they can get high picks for him at the trade deadline too. Trading him at the deadline only makes it harder to get established players, who I don’t really want anyway if they are signed long-term and/or are old.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
11:25 pm

“You must have missed those championships Pau was leading the Lakers to when Kobe was stinkin’ up the joint. ”

The dangers of forming opinions based on stats, encapsulated in one sentence.

Gasol won zero playoff games as the best player on his team in Memphis. Not series, games. Even Josh managed to win two playoff games this year as the best player on his team.

Seriously, you just said Gasol was more important to that team than Kobe. This boggles the mind.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
11:26 pm

I have no problem with saying Gasol is better than Josh. My objection to a Josh for Gasol trade isn’t about how good those players are in a vacuum. But wow, saying he led the Lakers to championships? Bath salts are not good for you, dude.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 27th, 2012
11:32 pm

Also, while we are comparing Josh and Gasol, defense matters. Josh has been a top 10 defensive player in the league for several years now. Gasol has never been close to that level.

SteveW

June 27th, 2012
11:36 pm

Josh and Marvin for Pau – The numbers:

2013/14 contracts:

JJ – 22 mill (approx.)
Pau – 19.3 mill
Al – 12 mill

That’s 53.3 mill for 3 players. And you have Teague and ZaZa as Free Agents. Throw this years 1st pick, and maybe Ivan, your looking at 67 mill + for 7 players.

I don’t think that’s happening.

SteveW

June 27th, 2012
11:36 pm

Assuming Teague and ZaZa sign for somewhere around 6 million per year.

@thesportsgoons

June 27th, 2012
11:38 pm

The Hawks Need Josh Smith…..

SteveW

June 27th, 2012
11:43 pm

The Rockets still say that if they don’t acquire Dwight, they go after Rudy Gay or Josh Smith according to Hoopshype.

Lowry, KMart, and a pick Josh and Marvin? Hmm, a backcourt of Lowry/Teague and JJ/KMart is tempting, with JJ playing some 3 also. Depends on the pick maybe.

Start:

ZaZa
Al
JJ
KMart
Lowry

With Teague, Ivan and 2 1st picks coming off the bench – good salary situation going forward also, with KMart coming off the books after next season, and Lowry cheap.

Hmmm again – I’d really have to think about that one. Maybe trade KMart for something else…

SteveW

June 27th, 2012
11:48 pm

About the only way I see us keeping Josh is getting rid of JJ and Marvin. At least Marvin.

Boston the bastion of Defense, wants Jamal. Interesting. Why would a culture of D want an atrocious defender? Sarcasm is dripping. Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

Nash can’t defend either, is 38, and folks are saying he’s going to get 10 mill per year.

Maybe you can hide Guards with defensive liabilities sometimes.

And you have got to put the ball through the hoop in a halfcourt game sometime!!!

SteveW

June 27th, 2012
11:55 pm

I’m not sure what Orlando wants for Dwight – But Lowry, Scola, Kmart and 3 1st picks is a massive amount.

Orlando would have 4 1st picks , 12, 16, 18, and 19 this season. What else are they going to get for Dwight?

And if you can’t get superstars, you better be really good 2 deep at each position to even have a chance at winning anything. Still probably won’t get you there

Hoops

June 27th, 2012
11:59 pm

The Lakers will not make the trade for Josh. They want higher draft picks and we don’t have any. The Hawks should focus on the Bobcats, Wizards, Cavs and Kings. Trades could be made there and higher draft picks acquired.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:00 am

“About the only way I see us keeping Josh is getting rid of JJ and Marvin. At least Marvin.”

They need to get rid of Joe and Marvin regardless of whether or not they trade Josh. Can’t improve while those two are eating up $25 million of the cap together.

Rod from College Park

June 28th, 2012
12:04 am

By the way Pau Gasols numbers were not better than Josh this year. He shot a higher FG percentage and rebounded slightly better in the regular season. Thats it. His playoff numbers are not even comparable. Josh in on the elevator going up, and Gasol is coming down.

D.S.G.B.

June 28th, 2012
12:07 am

Danny, please get dwight howard and josh smith anchoring our front court!!!!!!!

Sugar Ray

June 28th, 2012
12:07 am

“He’s not a modern day McHale.
Al Jefferson
Kevin Love
Z-Bo would all be better choices for that.”

Al Jefferson? Zach Randolph? Better than Pau Gasol? At what? LMAO!

Sugar Ray

June 28th, 2012
12:13 am

Rod, hit the link:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=gasolpa01&y1=2012&p2=smithjo03&y2=2012

And keep in mind Josh’s usage rate was MUCH higher than Pau last year since Josh always demands the ball. But here’s the thing: When the Lakers ran their offense through Pau in the post during the championship seasons, they had arguably the best offense in the league. On the other hand, the Hawks ran their offense through Josh last year, do you all remember where the Hawks offense ranked?

St Louis issa callin...

June 28th, 2012
12:17 am

Josh cant read nad his dad under the basket sayin SHOOT cant either….Go Lakers GO

Sugar Ray

June 28th, 2012
12:20 am

“Seriously, you just said Gasol was more important to that team than Kobe. This boggles the mind.”

Pau deserved the 2010 Finals MVP trophy, Kobe knows it, Lakers fans know it, people who know basketball know it. If you don’t, well I can’t help you.

gcs

June 28th, 2012
12:24 am

“the Hawks have tired to trade forward Josh Smith”
Freudian slip?

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
12:25 am

Josh was our best playmaker last year. That’s one of the reason he had so many touches as well as the fact that we were without Al.

Your nut-hugging on Pau Gasol is disgusting.

Rod from College Park

June 28th, 2012
12:27 am

We are not talking about Pau in the championship years, we are talking about now. Look at Pau #’s in the playoffs this year, and Josh’s in the playoffs this year. No comparison. We won’t even discuss the defensive side of the ball.

Rod from College Park

June 28th, 2012
12:30 am

“Pau deserved the 2010 Finals MVP trophy, Kobe knows it, Lakers fans know it, people who know basketball know it. If you don’t, well I can’t help you.”

Please inform me what type of weed you are smoking, so that I never make a mistake and partake in it. I know many Laker fans, and have never heard anything remotely close to that come out of their mouths.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:34 am

“Pau deserved the 2010 Finals MVP trophy, Kobe knows it, Lakers fans know it, people who know basketball know it. If you don’t, well I can’t help you.”

If you really believe this I am pretty sure I don’t want your help. Unless Kobe gave your girlfriend herpes there is no justification for this statement.

Rufus1

June 28th, 2012
12:42 am

Suicide counselors for the Josh lovers….please report to the AJC blog.

Pau= Better offensive player, better rebounder, better free throw shooter, more efficient offensive player, less turnovers, equal passer and he doesn’t want to be a PG…. I can only imagine how much better he would have been guarding KG, than any other player on our team.

Josh= Better shot blocker, younger and DOESN”T WANT TO BE HERE ANYMORE

Trade him please.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:47 am

Fun fact: if Gasol had won the 2010 Finals MVP, he would have had the lowest Finals scoring average of any Finals MVP since 1982, when Magic Johnson won the Finals MVP by nearly averaging a triple double.

Rufus1

June 28th, 2012
12:53 am

True Value

I wish there was a point value for bad shots, turnovers, bad decision making and poor free throw shooting… Then we could know the true value of Josh and Josh lovers couldn’t conveniently forget those facts about his game.

TMACfan

June 28th, 2012
12:54 am

HAWKS TAKE A GOOD LONG LOOK AT TONY WROTEN.

I CAN NOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH.

DUDES ATHLETICISM IS OFF THE CHARTS.

We will have a STAR for the future, and help off the bench now.

Walt Frazier

June 28th, 2012
12:56 am

Al Horford needs to spent this entire offseason with Hakeem Olajuwon to develop his post game like Lebron. This is, by no means-a comparison, but the fact that players have gone to Olajuwon-and came back with good footwork and interior moves-is something to wish for. Tired of hearing about Jamaal Crawford. I hope Danny Ferry uses all the power and control that the Hawks granted him. First order of business-get rid of the srubs-you know who you are. Hope you’re reading this blog.

theatowngiant

June 28th, 2012
1:01 am

Atl has to compete with the ball that’s played today. Keep josh and get the best pure shooter in the game john jenkins drink vandy. We have no shooters on our bench

Rod from College Park

June 28th, 2012
1:04 am

True Value

I wish there was a point value for bad shots, turnovers, bad decision making and poor free throw shooting… Then we could know the true value of Josh and Josh lovers couldn’t conveniently forget those facts about his game.”

Wish there a stat for heart and balls. Pau Gasol has neither. Dude walks around with marshmallows in his pockets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2WVMxvwr7w

no thank you.

TMACfan

June 28th, 2012
1:04 am

Tony Wroten

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM9Wq-_24vw

Passes to Anthony Davis and Bradley Beal in this Mix.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
1:07 am

He is too stiff and mechanical[All Get Real]. Plus he has no left hand…

Olajuwon can’t help him….

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
1:09 am

Two escorts to the rim? No Thanks…

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
1:11 am

There’s no fluidity to his game whatsoever[All Get Real].

Rod from College Park

June 28th, 2012
1:15 am

Two escorts to the rim? No Thanks…

LOL. Layup Line.

Jae Evolution

June 28th, 2012
1:15 am

I’m with TMACfan, Tony Wroten is going to be the BEST player available and a guy who can change things when he comes in with his passing and drive ability. No prospect who spends as much time as he does playing can have as broken a jumpshot as people are saying, scouts and media alike seem to hear one thing and become robotic drones and just keep repeating it. Is his jumper bad? Yes, probably. He works on it similar to Rose was working on his, all it takes is time and repetition.

Draft Tony Wroten, trade Marvin for whatever eases his contract off our books and focus on signing Omer Asik giving us the ability to march out Smith, Horford, Zaza, and Asik as bigs.

Shamrock

June 28th, 2012
1:44 am

Najeh, i hope you havent forgot about me :)

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
1:48 am

The more I watch him, the less I am sold on Wroten. I don’t see him being able to effectively play the 2, and I also don’t see this elite athleticism he supposedly has, which means his ability to drive inside and draw contact isn’t a given in the NBA. He can develop into a good passer and ball handler, but he seems like someone who isn’t going to thrive without the ball in his hands and at the same time isn’t going to be good enough to warrant having the ball in his hands.

Shamrock

June 28th, 2012
1:49 am

Hey Najeh, Fun Fact: Did u know that you have successfully rubbed five 10 year olds behinds and enjoyed it? Were talkin MVP Najeh :)

Atlhawksfan

June 28th, 2012
1:54 am

Good trade for the hawks. The hawks can finally move Horford to the 4, and will finally have a consistent low post scorer and rebounder. Hawks will have teague, Johnson,Horford, Gasol and draft a solid 3 or 2.

Trade_Josh_Now

June 28th, 2012
1:59 am

Lets trade Josh Smith for Pau Gasol.
Then trade Joe Johnson for the #2 pick so we can go into rebuilding mode.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 28th, 2012
2:17 am

falCans
June 27th, 2012
10:56 pm

DUMBEST TRADE EVER!!! GASOLFOR HORFORD WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE YOUR TRADIN ONE SOFT FOR ANOTHER SOFT.

I couldn’t have said it better. Get Festus Ezeli in the draft.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
2:23 am

Gasol is not a consistent low post scorer. This is like saying Joe is a great scorer. Joe is a good scorer. A consistent low post scorer is someone like Al Jefferson.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
2:24 am

We have the low collection of fanbase IQ in the NBA. Without question. Guys like Ray, random, Rufus, etc. Idiots.

Trade_Josh_Now

June 28th, 2012
2:24 am

If the Hawks are smart, they trade Josh Smith for Pau Gasol, amnesty Marvin, sign Gerald Wallace, let Kirk Hinrich go.

Atlhawksfan

June 28th, 2012
2:26 am

Gasol gets 14 plus a night with 10 plus Rebs while joshe has same type numbers but takes too many jumpers out side his range. Also smith isn’t a consistent rebounder

Trade_Josh_Now

June 28th, 2012
2:26 am

2013 Hawks
pg Jeff Teague
sg Joe Johnson
sf Gerald Wallace
pf Al Horford
c Pau Gasol

ECF here we come!!!

Atlhawksfan

June 28th, 2012
2:31 am

Marvin out and Wallace would be perfect but that is unlikely a sf draft pick will be better at 23

Trade_Josh_Now

June 28th, 2012
2:31 am

Bench: Pargo, Green, T-Mac, Ivan, Zaza

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 28th, 2012
2:34 am

Hey what’s up with the Hawks draft party? Remember when I showed up that year with them FIRE BILLY AND WOODY t-shirts? I sold out and almost got kicked out. lmao

Trade_Josh_Now

June 28th, 2012
2:38 am

I wonder if Jason Terry would be into a return trip to the ATL?

Atlhawksfan

June 28th, 2012
2:41 am

With Horford and Gasol the hawks will have increased in scoring and rebounding Teague and Johnson will add to the scoring. The hawks can have a great team if the organization did a better job Marvin needs to go 10 million plus for 10 Pts 4 reb max

Grandad

June 28th, 2012
2:41 am

Late to the dance:

Gasol & McHale are very good comparisons when one analyzes their game.
I`m not saying Gasol is McHale but, neither am I saying McHale is Gasol.
but they are tall rangy white guys with great length who are tremendously
skilled post players, and play the game generally below the rim.
They have great footwork, and both are / were technicians.
Pau is probably 3 to 4 inches taller, yet they both possess exceptionally
high B-ball IQ. Both are Champions, both are great teammates;
`though one difference may be Gasol is the superior passer.

Sugar Ray / great comparison !

Those others such as Al Jefferson = not so much.

Grandad

June 28th, 2012
3:02 am

In my previous post, I alluded to a number of skills possessed by
Pau Gasol by comparing him with K.McHale.
I`ll not repeat those, however, I must defend P.Gasol
for those who say he is declining or that his skills are eroding
due to age.

`Tis well known that Mike Brown brought a different offensive system
to LA this past season.
Also it is well known that Gasol was playing further from the basket;
not only than accustomed, but, further out than he should have been
stationed due to being 7-2.
We all realize the negative fallout that occurs due to Josh being
stationed outside, therefore, we should realize having Gasol
positioned so far out was poor planning.
Even M.Brown has stated there will be adjustments were PG to remain.

Pau Gasol is a Team player who is not an offensive me 1st stat guy.
All his stats are excellent save for his scoring output this past season.
paired with another Twin Tower who was not as skilled
but was more physical saw PG`s scoring diminish somewhat.

He is still considered the most skilled post player inthe NBA today,
and has been for the past 6 to 8 years [give or take].

People allude to him being soft. [Kobe propoganda]
People say the same about Al.
After awhile someone carps on something long enough
and folks begin to believe it and take [whatever] as fact.

The ” Rush Limbough ” syndrome.
RL is a carnival barker, yet he gets on his soap-box and yells
long and loud, then blusters about this and that;
before long folks begin to believe his nonsense.

Pau Gasol is a very good and skilled basketball player.
He is in his early 30`s and takes good care of himself.
No reason to think he will be anything but effective
for another 5 or 6 yrs.

Those are facts my friends.

David

June 28th, 2012
3:36 am

If this trade happens, the “highlight factory” moniker should be stripped completely.

PEDRO EL GITANO

June 28th, 2012
5:39 am

Un Pau motivado es el mejor center de la liga.Yo aprecio mucho la labor de Josh Smith,pero lo traspasaría por Pau con los ojos cerrados.No me gusta lo que dice Ferry de”construir a largo plazo”significa que no tienen intención de ir a por el campeonato y se quita presión para encarar el presente.Basura.Traer a Pau Gasol a Atlanta cambiaría a la franquicia.
En otro orden cosas espero que eligamos esta noche en el draft a al menos un buen reboteador.Somos el 23 equipo reboteador de la nba,así no hay nada que hacer.Espero a Fab Melo o en su defecto a Sullinger.En segunda ronda Joseph estaría bien.Noche decisiva la de hoy!!GO HAWKS!!!

SuckerFree

June 28th, 2012
5:52 am

I’ll take that Rockets trade over the Gasol trade any day of the week.

Lowry
Martin
JJ
Horford
Zaza

That lineup will definitely work. That would open up trades for Jeff Teague as well or he can be the 6th man (a defined role). And adding a decent pick is good as well.

That’s actually the best trade idea I’ve seen for Josh Smith in 3 years.

Kevin Martin will fill it up and take over the lead scoring role (because JJ obviously can’t do it). Lowry is a beast. Upgrades SF and PG for the Hawks because JJ moves to SF. Rockets can try to lure Dwight Howard with Josh Smith.

I really think that one works.

mbts

June 28th, 2012
5:59 am

What a terrible idea.

SuckerFree

June 28th, 2012
5:59 am

Chris broussard’s sources say that Golden State is “eyeing” Marvin Williams (amongst other SFs) via trade.

WHATEVER IT TAKES DANNY FERRY!!!! WHATEVER IT TAKES!!!!!

vava74

June 28th, 2012
6:08 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cpbkc77

Add a some picks.

This improve our cap flexibility going forward reducing JJ’s contract for Pau’s (less 2 years at similar value) and would trade Marvin’s sorry *ss for MWP decaying grit.

We could play big with Pau, Horford and Josh with Zaza and MWP off the bench and MWP being our sorely needed wing defender off the bench to put on Lebron (he should still have 2 decent years on him).

I think that MWP would love to play Lebron more times a year.

MWP could be our sixth man with some offense going through him with the second unit in order to keep him happy.

This year’s playoffs showed that he still has some game on him.

It would not be a huge improvement, but at least we would move JJ’s contract for one slightly better.

JC

June 28th, 2012
6:10 am

As a lifelong Laker fan, I don’t see how ATL fans can balk at this trade. Gasol is much better than Smith, who really hasn’t done anything. It would be the trade that does ATL good. Just maybe it would do some good for the ATL fan base, or whatever of it is left. Maybe it is about both the players and fans in ATL…the reason why they have never won it all. This would be a good start to change that.

vava74

June 28th, 2012
6:20 am

I don’t necessarily like the trade Josh-Pau but I would not dislike it.

I think Josh can and should be the Hawks #1 guy and if he had not gone down in that damn 4th quarter we would have eliminated the Celts, even with the refereeing against us.

Yes, Josh has defects, but a good coach would iron them out and would place JJ on the wing, ready to catch and shoot, just like in his PHO days, instead of eroding seconds with completely useless ISO plays.

Those my friends, are for me FACTS.

brigadierjerry

June 28th, 2012
6:39 am

It seems a lot of Hawks fans are split in regards to whether you want to make this move or not. They should do a poll on this blog on if you want to reload or retool the team or blow it up. So I ask all Hawks fans do you want to retool/reload the team or blow it up?

vava74

June 28th, 2012
7:00 am

The biggest and most effective improvement which the Hawks could do is ON THE BENCH.

Get LD’s sorry ass outta here and get a real coach that looks in the players’ eyes and tells them what they need to hear:

JJ, stop that ISO-sh*t because it’s not working against playoff caliber defenses. Use is sparingly and against less opposition only.

Josh, get your head straight and play to your strengths and not to your weaknesses. Hit your free throws and once you hit them at an .825 clip you can get back at launching jumpers if you want to (which would translate into him not being able to launch them).

Ray

June 28th, 2012
7:16 am

I don’t want nothing to do with Tony Wroten this guy isn’t a team player yes he’s got it all, but there is a reason he fell so far in the draft and possibly out of the first round.

He is selfish and not a team player and probably even a headcase(maturity issues). We already had that with Josh the maturity issues way back when don’t need it again.

We’ll find out Tonight if Danny Ferry got what it takes just don’t trade Josh or Al that’s all I ask.

darrell starks

June 28th, 2012
7:16 am

Are you serious trading Josh for Gasol.

In what way will you get better bring in a 32 years old Gasol.

Trade Joe for Gasol not Josh.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

June 28th, 2012
7:23 am

Danny the Hawks future are Josh, Horford, Teague, continue to add pieces not bring in some guy on the back end of his career.

Joe for Gasol make more sense, because of the age and contract, Hawks would finally get rid of Joe horrible contract, and can starte building this team on a championship level. Hawks trade Josh for nothing would be the biggest mistake for this organization.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

June 28th, 2012
7:37 am

The real problem on this team is the coach, LD have no understanding on making players be responsible.

Josh Bring the ball up court instead of trying find PG.

Joe ISO 18 seconds of 24 second shot clock.

Many more problems LD can not lead a team who have no clue.

These are a coaches issue not players.

Fire LD

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

June 28th, 2012
7:45 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tkgn8o

This the trade Hawks should make finally get rid of Joe Contract.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

June 28th, 2012
7:48 am

STARTER TEAGUE, GERALD GREEN, JOSH, HORFORD, GASOL

BENCH PARGO, JEFFEREY TAYLOR, MARVIN, IVAN, ZAZA

RESERVE GREEN, COLLINS, ?

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dnice

June 28th, 2012
7:49 am

Gasol is not a center so again we are stuck with another F unfortunately this one does not block shots and play good D like the hometown kid. We traded Pau Gasol once so why fool with him again unless you forget he was who we traded the rights when we got Abdur Rahim. You dont bring in a bigger contract when you might as well play out the Josh contract unless you are getting a lottery pick.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
7:52 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7uzmnj7

Make it happen Danny Ferry we improve by three wins.

darrell starks

June 28th, 2012
7:53 am

http://youtu.be/EXF1tlDZymA

Go get this guy as replacement for Joe.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

vava74

June 28th, 2012
7:58 am

Ray, there is no chance in the world that GS will trade two good players (one decent and one up and coming) for Marvin.

No chance in hell.

To trade Marvin you need to find someone who has a similar bad contract, but shorter, and sweeten the deal with picks.

That’s the only way to get rid of Marvin.

Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
8:01 am

Random draft day thoughts:

Minnesota is a team that could really use Joe Johnson. Dallas too. Maybe Cleveland and/or Washington (which one misses out on Beal).

Golden State could use Marvin Williams, but I don’t want Jefferson or Biedrins in return.

I’d give up Al Horford if I could get back Drummond plus a proven young wing player and some cap space.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
8:07 am

@ vava74

They traded away Monta Ellis so you never know with certain teams to them Marvin could be the one that’s why I did that trade and plus with just Wright their over the cap so that’s what I got thompson too.

jay

June 28th, 2012
8:13 am

lol, an article about another article

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
8:34 am

@JC

Josh Smith is better than Pau Gasol, younger, quicker, faster, more versatile, better defender, better contract, still improving and not regressing, and he actually has elite abilities in his skill-set. This has stupid as hell all over it for Atlanta.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
8:36 am

JJ, Minny is after Brandon Roy and will be much cheaper….plus KMartin is rumored to be heading to Minny if the Roy deal dies.

Marvin to GS? Take their 2nd round pick and move on. Try to wrangle #35 out of them…if not, take their 52nd and say thanks for taking Speedy last time. Marvin can then become a superstar out West….:)
If the nimbers have to match, give us Edoh also and call it a swap.

J

June 28th, 2012
8:39 am

I think everyone knows Josh wants out and i agree with most on here, you’re not going to get much better than Gasol at this point. Better to get rid of him now and get something great back in return. His basketball IQ has been killing us!

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
8:40 am

Gasol is a lot of money to take on….for this franchise.

I like the Josh to Sac or Char move best…..both teams then have excitement in their arena for the next year minimum.

Go get us a high pick Danny! I will accept most anyone you select, except for Doc’s kid.

Call me crazy, but why does Dion Waiters remind me of Marvin Williams scenario V 2.0?

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
8:44 am

Note to Ferry: don’t let the Bulls get their combo guard of choice.

They’re looking at Barton and Lamb…..Take the one you like best at 23 because I dont’ think Royce White is a SF.

To all the projections that we’re picking a big man….I don’t see it because of the questions of each guy.

NATIVE SON

June 28th, 2012
8:47 am

I say no to this trade. Pao; may not have any ” Gas- at OL”

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
8:50 am

NBAdraft.net has us taking Sullinger now at PF.

Why do we always see PF beside our projected picks? That’s the last thing this team ‘needs’.

Its like OKC taking Doron Lamb….I can’t see OKC taking a guard in all this.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
8:56 am

Coach Calipari on Kidd-Gilchrist’ future:
“”He will be the face of some organization in the next three to four years,” Calipari said Tuesday on ESPN’s Pardon The Interruption, “and if people pass on him, he’s one of those guys you pass on and look back and go, ‘Oh my gosh, we passed on him?’”

Go get him Danny….make the deal with Charlotte…….Rich Cho and his analytics will do this deal.

HawksFanSince'89

June 28th, 2012
9:04 am

Keep Josh, and negotiate a restructured contract with Joe Johnson.

O'Brien

June 28th, 2012
9:07 am

Ra’mon,

Paying $12 Million for 14 and 10 isn’t necessarily a great deal. Its decent value, but we can’t say he’s been the player we all envisioned after his first two seasons in the league..

I will agree that Al needs to show some improvement. But $12 mil for 14 and 10 from a center is market value. Look at what Nene, Bogut, DeAndre Jordan, Okafor etc are getting.

vava,

If I’m Danny Ferry, I would be asking the ASG about using the amnesty on Marvin. That gives us a little more flexibility, and a chance to add a solid player (not just a vet min guy).

I hear Jamal is available :smile:

vava74

June 28th, 2012
9:11 am

Ray,

Monta for Bogut is a legitimately balance trade.

Monta is all offense and although he puts a lot points in the board, he has not been able to deliver success. He is undersized and does not defend.

Bogut, if healthy (big IF) is a quality player with some deficiencies too.

Plus, Klay Thomsom seemed a good big guard for the future.

Marvin is almost worthless and strictly salary dump material.

truth

June 28th, 2012
9:18 am

We should have kept Gasol when we drafted him in 2001

Now we want him when he is used goods?

Jfreak13713

June 28th, 2012
9:19 am

They wont but they should! Smith needs a change and the Hawks need to begin a smart vet with a Championship background to teach them how to win.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
9:26 am

I wonder if any team has used their amnesty clause to simply sign a player they could have signed using their MLE. Because Marvin would allow us to sing a $5M player, right at the MLE level. Seems kind of a waste of the amnesty chip to me. Seems like the ideal time to use amnesty is when it could get you a player who is a $10M+ earner. Those guys tend to be difference makers. The better time to use amnesty on Marvin (IMO) would be next summer when Josh walks (and leaves his diehard fans crying like Ann Curry) and Zaza heads out the door. With Marvin dumped, the Hawks would probably have the room to make some hay. Would a $5M player push this team into the ECF? Doubtful. Maybe I value the amnesty chip more than others… I wouldn’t waste it to sign a mid-tier player.

[...] The latest rumor is that there are talks between LA and Atlanta about a possible swap involving Gasol and Josh Smith. Per the LA Times and AJC: “Smith has been unhappy in Atlanta for more than a year, his [...]

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
9:38 am

For those who talk about drafting Drummond, are you saying that based on Drummond himself or just his physical attributes? In other words, if there were another 7-footer with tremendous upside named Jamal Doe, would you advocate trading to acquire that player if he were being discussed in the top 10? Would just any high-potential, athletic 7-footer do?

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
9:41 am

From Chad Ford’s latest mock:

Analysis: Nicholson’s ability to score inside and outside combined with his defensive abilities should be a nice fit in Atlanta — especially with Josh Smith now on the trading block.

Trade Scenarios: The Hawks are shopping Smith around the league, trying to move up in the lottery. They also have some interest in Pau Gasol, according to sources. The Rockets have also shown interest in Smith.

Hawks’ Big Board:
1. Royce White
2. Jared Sullinger
3. Andrew Nicholson
4. Evan Fournier
5. Tony Wroten

PMC

June 28th, 2012
9:53 am

This story is as bogus as Notre Dame going to the Big 12. I don’t know who leaked it, but it’s just dumb.

Pau Gasol is a broken down 32. Josh Smith is on the cusp of being a fantastic NBA player (even if he doesn’t do it here)

That trade would be mind numbingly stupid.

Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
9:53 am

AJ….my wanting Drummond is based on his physical attributes (height, wingspan, strength, leaping ability, etc…) in relation to his age (still 18 years old). So in that respect, any prospect with similar attributes would be a target of mine.

I’m not sold that he’s the next great one, but with only five or six legit centers in the league, I’d take the chance. By the way, I like Meyers Leonard as well. Any Josh to Houston trade to me, should include (but not be limited to) the ability to draft Leonard or Drummond, plus the rights to last year’s draft choice Donatas Montiejunas.

PMC

June 28th, 2012
9:54 am

LA wants to get rid of Gasol. This is pretty much like us saying anyone for Horrible Marvin.

PMC

June 28th, 2012
9:55 am

Ferry has to find a way to generate interest in Atlanta more than anything else. Why would he trade his most entertaining player, for a guy who isn’t the least bit interesting or entertaining?

Mike

June 28th, 2012
9:57 am

I think that each passing hour that the Rockets doesnt trade those three picks to Orlando, its going to be trade to Atlanta, I got a feeling that is going to be 16 and/or 18 and expired player for Josh. I got a feeling and plus those three players will be cheaper then Pau or Josh.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
10:03 am

I just saw Ferry’s latest posted interview and didn’t realize his dad played for the St.Louis Hawks and his brother was drafted by the Hawks 7th round ‘85 as well. He has Hawks’ history in his background.
He’s been here less than a week, and on Day 1, he discussed having a parade downtown one day.
He specified how Levenson stated that things could have been better in teh past…you think?

Can he make a roster splash in Week 1?

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
10:04 am

PMC, Hawks remain among the bottom feeders in home attendance. Josh being the team’s top draw is like John Wall being the Wizards top player. That stuff only matters if it makes a material difference. josh doesn’t make a material difference in the team’s home attendence.

Just Joe, thanks. I was struck by the comment Lamb made about Drummond, something to the affect that he can be great “if he works”. A very strong statement from a teammate. I just think the hawks need to consider other things than just physical attributes if they trade a known player for a rookie. I think we take 16/10 for granted around here (I don;t know how we got that comfortable, given the lack of quality big men in the league). Think about all of the 6′11″ players that have come out in the past 5 years, not many are even in the vicinity of 16/10. A bunch of them can’t even earn playing time to produce 6 & 4. I wonder how many 6′10″+ players in the past 5 years are even as productive as Zaza? My guess, very, very, very few.

PMC

June 28th, 2012
10:09 am

I agree with you Astro Joe, but getting Gasol back for Josh isn’t going to improve anything either. It would be better to get a draft pick if possible than Gasol at this point.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
10:10 am

Mike, you could be dead on because I always said Josh was worth 2 #1s if Al Jefferson is…..and IMO, the middle of the round is not a bad place to be with this draft.
There is some viable talent mid round…you could get lucky and get Terrance Ross at 12. Houston has 16 and 18 also.

We get 3 picks in this draft and we have a new approach to this team.

Ra'mon

June 28th, 2012
10:12 am

O’B, all of the centers you just mentioned, all got paid off of potential, not off of production. And each of the centers you mentioned have been traded from the team that gave them those deals (except for Jordan who the Clippers want to deal this off season and couldn’t get off the bench in the 4th quarter against Spurs or Memphis in clutch games). Al’s production was effectively replaced by a back up center making half of what he makes. If the Hawks had TWO of those centers (Zaza and someone not named Collins or Dampier) they would save money and be able to use Al as a big trade chip. Hawks played an entire season with Al and didn’t lose anything. So you replace Al with whatever you bring back in a trade, and theoretically (I know it doesn’t always work out as planned) the Hawks should get better. We don’t know how the team will play for a season without Josh. But we know how they play without Al, and its not terrible.

O'Brien

June 28th, 2012
10:12 am

AJ,

Hawks are at $62 mil with 7 players (including a first round pick). That leaves about $9 mil to sign 6 players without going into LT. If you use the MLE on 1 player, then we are down to $4 mil to sign 5 players.

If you amnesty Marvin (and assuming he signs for $3 mil somewhere else), Hawks would have $14 mil before going into LT. So using the MLE would still leave enough room to sign other players without going into LT.

You think it’s a better idea to use the amnesty next season when Marvin has an expiring contract? If he is expiring, shouldn’t we be able to trade him then?

jk

June 28th, 2012
10:17 am

I don’t think our players our the problem…the problem is that we don’t have a leader…if we get someone like derek fisher, who can grab josh and tell him to stop shooting 3’s, grab joe, and make him meaner, we’ll be fine…we haven’t had a leader on this team, not from management, front office, head coach or a player…we have the talent…just need a leader…NBA is a league that wins with guards, wing players, and athletic power forwards, not with big centers…we have the piceses, now if we had someone who can lead them and make them play together…that’s where we lack

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
10:23 am

The 1st choice is to move Marvin on draft night when rosters are being layed out and before other vets open up their options.

The 2nd choice is amnesty……you free up 8.27M immediately and you can get 2-3 solid contributors with that nimber…or perhaps a Steve Nash?

The no choice is to let him play his contract out…..nogo!

Moving Marvin is as big as moving a PF off our team and balancing out this roster.

Sautee

June 28th, 2012
10:27 am

“I wonder how many 6′10″+ players in the past 5 years are even as productive as Zaza? My guess, very, very, very few.”

Gee AJ, three verys? Off the top of my head:

Durant, Horford, B. Griffin, Noah, D. Cousins, Hawes, Gallinari, Taj Gibson, Greg Monroe, B. Lopez, R. Lopez, Jason Thompson, M. Speights, Hibbert, J. McGee, J.J. Hickson, etc., etc., etc.

I think your guess is off just a little. Or else your definition of “very, very, very few” ;-)

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
10:36 am

Sautee, yeah, but what is the total number? Anthony Randolph, Donte Green, about 8 players selected by the Warriors and Bucks who have been in the witness protection plan, Thabeet, Jordan Hill, Hilton Armstrong, Brandon Wright, Patrick O’Bryant, Mullen, Swift, Petro, Wilcox, Ely and I’m not sure about Hickson, R. Lopez, Speights or Jason Thompson on your list, that is debateable over the course of their 2-3 year careers.

But maybe I need to drop a few “verys”. Still seems like drafting an athletic big man with nothing but the promise of upside is a very risky proposition.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
10:41 am

OB, seems like we live in a do it now world. Hawks have around $17M coming off the books next summer. Adding Marvin would give them significant room. And it would likely come at a time when Ferry has hired a new coach and is executing his master plan. Sund proved that you can put together an effective bench by shopping at the Dollar Store. I know many can’t stomach another year of Marvin in a Hawks uni, I think using amnesty on him this summer would be a year too soon. If they can trade him tonight, do it. But again, I probably value that clause more than most.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
10:47 am

What’s up with these Baylor players and their knees?

It looks like Jared Sullinger isn’t the only big time NBA draft prospect to have medical issues hurt his stock. Multiple league sources say that NBA team doctors are concerned about a meniscus issue in Baylor forward Perry Jones III’s knee. ESPN.com

terrell

June 28th, 2012
10:55 am

Darrel, whats upwith the infactuato fo Gerald(barey in the league)Green. You must loe seeing a highlight or two because thats basically Green in a nutshell. Just my opinion of course. Teague ad Green as ou starting 1 & 2??

random

June 28th, 2012
10:56 am

Air Zaza are you scared of change? An once again you are name calling like a child. This is a blog filled with different views and opinions. If you can’t handle it banish yourself from it plain and simple.

GEN MANAGER

June 28th, 2012
11:00 am

I liked josh smith been following him from the days of his aau games,but i say go ahead and make the trade for pau this team need a change,josh needs a change pau still have game left in his tank and he is a good guy,if the numbers can work go ahead and make it happend.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
11:06 am

Ha, I think we use the amnesty clause like we do TPE……now that Ferry is here, perhaps we get a different vision….time will tell.

I do recall that Peter Holt decided 2 years ago that yes, it was worth going over the luxury tax to field the best team possible.
Will Ferry learn from his 2nd spin at SA?

Kenny D

June 28th, 2012
11:09 am

Trading Josh Smith will only make the Hawks worst and the Lakers better. Bring Danny in wasn’t a good move, by no means. If he was that good, he could have gotten Lebon James help in Cleveland.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
11:11 am

@random

Change is good if it’s makes sense. This is just something retards and idiots will do. This is not ideal for Josh Smith.

STRETCH THIS YO BOY

June 28th, 2012
11:14 am

Gasol is a better player right now than Josh Smith but Josh has a longer career ahead. Really after the 5th pick in this years draft there isn’t starting material type players right away available. Just don’t draft another Marvin Williams…

O'Brien

June 28th, 2012
11:14 am

Ra’mon,

Hawks played an entire season with Al and didn’t lose anything..

Bulls played a bunch of regular season games without D-Rose and didn’t lose anything.

Al’s production was effectively replaced by a back up center making half of what he makes..

I would not say “effectively”. Although I liked Zaza’s physicality, he was putting up 8 and 8. Al’s career average is 13 and 10, and Al is a much better finisher than Zaza. Also, Al is capable of playing 35 mpg, whereas Zaza is more of a 20 – 25 mpg player (imo).

That being said, I am fine with a guy like Zaza and Dalembert for example (assuming he is motivated) manning the center position for 48 minutes.

KevinM,

The 2nd choice is amnesty……you free up 8.27M immediately.

I don’t think it frees up the entire $8.3 mil. Maybe the cap experts can comment, but I think it only frees up about $5+ mil.

Ken Strickland

June 28th, 2012
11:14 am

A player that’s been selected as an AllPro, made 3 consecutive AllStar appearances as a PF and C, and won an NBA title, is soft(Gasol). But 2 players(Kaman, and Nene) who have yet to make an impact in the playoffs, win a title, sniff an AllStar gm, oor stay off IR, are somehow better. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES..

STRETCH THIS YO BOY

June 28th, 2012
11:15 am

Josh demanded a trade so you trade him. Get the negativity gone.

STRETCH THIS YO BOY

June 28th, 2012
11:17 am

Delambert was traded last night.

STRETCH THIS YO BOY

June 28th, 2012
11:18 am

What about JJ & J.Smith to Lakers for Gasol & Bynum ?

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
11:19 am

Bobcats have five legit offers they’re currently exploring to trade the second pick overall in tonight’s NBA Draft. Twitter

Could Ferry be one of 5?

STRETCH THIS YO BOY

June 28th, 2012
11:23 am

I’d basically give JJ away at this point. He can never be a $24 million type top player. Resigning him was retarded.

Sugar Ray

June 28th, 2012
11:24 am

“Paying $12 Million for 14 and 10 isn’t necessarily a great deal. Its decent value, but we can’t say he’s been the player we all envisioned after his first two seasons in the league.”

Say what? Going by PPG is a terrible way to evaluate a lot of players. Al doesn’t have high scoring numbers because Josh and Joe always want the ball and inefficient scorers. He could easily put up at least 18-10 if there weren’t so many ballhogs on this team, and those bad decisions on offensewhich is why the Hawks get bounced early in the playoffs every year.

t_height

June 28th, 2012
11:24 am

maybe joe for pau gasol and a draft pick. The bobcats may be the only team I see that is desperate enough to take joe. Josh, teague and horford must stay. Everyone else is tradeable.

EmirS.

June 28th, 2012
11:24 am

Here’s the thing…I don’t think anyone would go as far as to say Gasol is better then Josh. Atleast not in my opinion. But Pau Gasol may actually be the best ESTABLISHED player we can get. If I’m gonna trade Josh for picks….it needs to be a top 5 pick. Nothing less then that. I don’t want to trade a growing All-Star for a 10-16 pick that will be good role players at best. If you aren’t talking with the Bobcats, Wizards, Cavs, or Kings to acquire their picks then pull off a Gasol for Josh trade.

Yes Gasol may be 32, but I don’t believe his game is on a full decline and I believe he can still produce All-Star numbers. He knows how to win and can win.

Also….Joe Johnson is ALOT more clutch then LeBron. I was just looking at some videos from this season. Can someone pull up some information and see whose more efficient in the clutch? I believe JJ sores above James in that department.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
11:25 am

Weren’t the Hawks missing Smith, Horford AND Zaza in Game 3 against the Celtics in Boston? Did we lose that game by 30? 20? What’s that, we lost by 6 in OT? Wow.

DS

June 28th, 2012
11:25 am

Ken Strickland, don’t forget about Bogut and Thabeet, those guys are definitely better than Gasol too.

doc

June 28th, 2012
11:30 am

Glad now Nicholson your of/c may be gone one ahead of us by yahoo.

Also see Matt Barnes is a free agent so not available in trade. Durn as he would bring back attitude of josh with pau.

Only way I take pau is to get rid of Marvin. Maybe there is a trade between three teams that might bring us something substantive for Marvin. I could go for that while getting josh where he wants to go and a legit player for him. Obviously pau isn’t as good but sometimes there is addition by subtraction. There are mo Evans types out there or better to replace him and we already saw mo type do that.

Danny ferry lil bro

June 28th, 2012
11:35 am

WE WILL NOT BEAT MIAMI WITH THIS TEAM!!!!!

START NEW!!!!!!!!!

1. trade Joe to dallas for their 1st and a player , rid us of his contract and that will make deron williams go to dallas over the nets. WIN WIN

2. trade AL horford and Marvin to Sac town for tyreke and #5 pick use that pick on MKG or BARNES. rid us of marvins contract and SAC gets thier 4 to go beside Cousins WIN WIN

WE NOW HAVE
Jeff
tyreke
MKG or Barnes
Josh smith(see step three)
ZAZA(see step 4)

Player from dallas

1st rounder from dallas (Perry jones jeremy Lamb or A. rivers) Holla at me BIG DOG!!!!

our own 1st rounder(cant trade it anyway) (andrew nicholson, Jeff taylor, Fab melo or Doron and
maybe will barton) i personally like Fournier also!!!

1st rounder from Sac- MKG or Barnes

tons of cap space!!!!!!! young talent (Assets)

Remember my big bro loves to develop players!!!!!

4.if he still wants to go Trade Josh this year to Houston for #12 (Zeller or Lamb) and thier 18th T.Jones, Moultrie or Royce white) and jon Leur
or
keep him till trade dead line ship him to the best team to win lottery get picks and players(see step 5)

5. 2013 draft is deep with CENTERS!!!!!!!
Nerlens Noel, PF/C, Kentucky, 6-10, HS Sr.
Cody Zeller, C, Indiana, 6-11, Fr.
Isaiah Austin, C, Baylor, 7-0, HS Sr.
Steven Adams, C, Pittsburgh, 7-0, HS Sr.
Patric Young, F/C, Florida, 6-9, Soph
ALL top 5 talent

With the current team of
jeff
tyreke
Mkg or barnes
Josh
ZAZA
more than likely we want win many games so we would have a lottery pick also along with josh smith(lottery pick)!!!+

in a few years we will be on our way with a new fan base to look forward to something, tons of Cap space and young talent (Assets)!!!!

true hawks fans you are welcome!!!!

Holla at me Najeh and BIG DOG!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:36 am

“Un Pau motivado es el mejor center de la liga.Yo aprecio mucho la labor de Josh Smith,pero lo traspasaría por Pau con los ojos cerrados.No me gusta lo que dice Ferry de”construir a largo plazo”significa que no tienen intención de ir a por el campeonato y se quita presión para encarar el presente.Basura.Traer a Pau Gasol a Atlanta cambiaría a la franquicia.
En otro orden cosas espero que eligamos esta noche en el draft a al menos un buen reboteador.Somos el 23 equipo reboteador de la nba,así no hay nada que hacer.Espero a Fab Melo o en su defecto a Sullinger.En segunda ronda Joseph estaría bien.Noche decisiva la de hoy!!GO HAWKS!!!”

Piensa usted que los Hawks van a ganar el campeonato si Gasol viene aqui? Si su respuesta es “no”, es malo para esto equipo.

Construir el largo plazo es necesario porque no es posible para ganar campeonato en el presente.

(I hope that gets me at least a B-)

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:39 am

Pedro, por favor escribe un “espacio” despues de sus puntos (”.”) porque si usted no lo escribe, el traductor de Google no traduce correctamente.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:41 am

“So I ask all Hawks fans do you want to retool/reload the team or blow it up?”

I would reload/retool if there was a way to do it that made this team a title contender, but there isn’t unless some team gives the Hawks something valuable for Joe (which isn’t happening). So the answer is to blow it up.

Harpie

June 28th, 2012
11:41 am

Folks, it doesn’t matter what players the Hawks have – Larry Drew is sure to screw things up enough to keep them from being successful.

Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
11:44 am

Lil bro….you better get some shooters on that bench because Teague, Evans, MKG, Josh, and ZaZa is probably the worst shooting starting five in the history of basketball.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
11:44 am

Forget Gasol. The Lakers aren’t interested!!! Whew……..

Gasol and All Get Real are not taking you to an ECF or Finals..Dream on…With out Kobe, before and after? Yawn……….

We need more picks!!!! Go younger and maybe in 2-3 years we are in the ECF for the very first time?

44 years = stupid[yes the Hawks have been]

C’mon Danny 3 1st round picks in this years draft will be huge!! Go get them!

You have got to get Nicholson! This guy is a very good basketball player!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L66QmiB0xj4

Danny ferry lil bro

June 28th, 2012
11:44 am

OH yea Fire larry drew after this lottery season and get us a real coach!!!!!
.
Holla at me NAJEH!!!! ha ha

McDawg

June 28th, 2012
11:44 am

STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:45 am

“Sund proved that you can put together an effective bench by shopping at the Dollar Store.”

Define “effective”. They didn’t do much in the playoffs.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
11:46 am

Blow up the Hawks and within 3-4 years with Danny at the helm we are contenders in the East possibly..

This Core needs to be jettisoned asap!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:47 am

“I know many can’t stomach another year of Marvin in a Hawks uni, I think using amnesty on him this summer would be a year too soon. If they can trade him tonight, do it. But again, I probably value that clause more than most.”

I agree with this. Amnesty should be reserved for Joe if no viable trade options materialize. Marvin’s contract is short enough and small enough that it can be traded next year even if not this year.

More importantly I am still highly skeptical that this ownership group will be willing to amnesty anyone.

The Real cp

June 28th, 2012
11:48 am

I hope that Ford has no idea what he is talking about and is just guessing about the Hawks draft board. Im not a fan of many of those guys.

vava74

June 28th, 2012
11:49 am

This team has potential – although everyone is already bored to death to look at them, they never played under a COACH.

Yes, we all like novelty, but to ditch a quality group on account of poor performances which HAVE BAD COACHING WRITTEN ALL OVER THEM, is not a sound management decision.

That is why it is SO INFURIATING that the sorry asses ASG picked LD’s option before hiring Ferry and now all parties had to come to public pretending that they had been speaking with Ferry since before that option was taken…

melo 4 president

June 28th, 2012
11:49 am

Answer to all your questions… give Marvin Williams more minutes… he is due for a growth spurt…

PMC

June 28th, 2012
11:49 am

It just makes me mad at Billy Knight again seeing New Orleans about to get a player like Davis when they just lost Paul.

This city, when we had a chance in the lottery got….. Marvin F-ing Williams.

You want to know why the building is empty, that’s why. Marvin Williams and Shelden Williams SMH.

Two guys that can’t play basketball well at the NBA level.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:50 am

“1. trade Joe to dallas for their 1st and a player , rid us of his contract and that will make deron williams go to dallas over the nets. WIN WIN

2. trade AL horford and Marvin to Sac town for tyreke and #5 pick use that pick on MKG or BARNES. rid us of marvins contract and SAC gets thier 4 to go beside Cousins WIN WIN”

MKG won’t drop that far, Barnes is a major question mark, and Dallas won’t trade for Joe because then they won’t have the cap space for Deron.

Also not a huge Tyreke Evans fan.

Danny ferry lil bro

June 28th, 2012
11:52 am

@JUST JOE

HA HA we will rack up on fouls and we would be defensive also!!!!!!

Look at my late picks for this year
doron lamb
will barton
jeremy lamb
evan fouriner

and free agency!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:53 am

After watching a bunch of Draftexpress scouting videos last night, I like Harkless and Royce White, and don’t really like Quincy Miller, Perry Jones, or Tony Wroten. I wish they had videos on some of these other players like Jenkins, Barton, Nicholson, etc. but they don’t.

It’s funny that Miller and Jones get so much first round love, because I saw a few Baylor games this year, and the guy that stood out every time was the other Quincy, Quincy Acy, who is supposedly a second round pick.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:54 am

Oh yeah, Draymond Green is a good pick if this core is going to stay together, because he is the ideal role player for a playoff team, but he may not be the best pick if the Hawks are trying to pick the best player available. I would love that pick if the Hawks were a legitimate contender. Don’t know that it’s quite so good of a pick when this team is about to get broken up.

Danny ferry lil bro

June 28th, 2012
11:55 am

@najeh

dallas has tons of cap room!!!
and use tyreke as and asset if he doesnt work out we still could possibly trade for Dwight with all the picks and assets!!!! and cap room!!!!

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
11:56 am

In a compressed season with injuries to 2 of 3 captains, the bench was essential to get us home court advantage. In my way of thinking, that is an effective bench. I can’t dismiss 66 games worth of contribution because of a poor 5 games in the playoffs (they did step up a little in Gmae 3 as I recall). I’d like a better bench but could live with 3 players at the current “captain-level”, Teague being utilized better by head coach AND teammates (hint, hint) and a comparably effective bench for one more season before using some cap flexibility and the end of LD’s contract to make some bold and significant changes to the team.

Ra'mon

June 28th, 2012
11:57 am

Kaboom! That’s my answer.

STRETCH

June 28th, 2012
11:58 am

Well lets all just hope that Danny Ferry can make a change to the organization as a whole. Some things that just happened within the past couple of seasons:

The Miami Heat, Dallas Mavs and OKC Thunder hava all been to the Finals and they havent been in the league as long as Atlanta…and this after adding all their years in the league combined!

Ra'mon

June 28th, 2012
11:59 am

Guys, I really think Fournier will end up becoming as good as Gallenari.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:00 pm

Agree Ra’mon Kaboom!

Or they are stuck where they are..Like the Fal-cons [P-R-E-T-E-N-D-E-R-S]

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:02 pm

Last two years the Hawks are 28-47 against the[winners/ .500 and above]!

Kaboom…..

falcon912fan

June 28th, 2012
12:03 pm

I gave the answer to the problems on yesterday. JJ and J -Smoove needs to be gone. Horford needs to play the PF. Here is the post from yesterday. Quite a scenerio…
Ferry will definitely do better than Sund. He did well in Cleveland and San Antonio. I know I’m new here and just dreaming, but listen to these trades: What if Ginobli wants to start…Trade J Johnson for Manu!!! Then trade Josh Smith and Marvin Williams to NJ for a draft pick, Brook Lopez and Gerald Wallace. The Nets will definitely do it to entice Dwight Howard to come this year or defintely next year. Think of our lineup… PG Jeff Teague SG Manu SF Gerald Wallace PF Horford C B. Lopez. Bench players PG Pargo SG (draft or bring back Crawford or even JR Smith) SG McGrady PF Ivan the terrible C Za Za.
Wow!!!! What do you guys think??? I’m just a high school basketball coach but I could even coach this lineup…

Hey Danny, do this and hire me as an assistant!!!!!!

Atlhawksfan

June 28th, 2012
12:04 pm

This is probably the best player the hawks will get for smith. Not a lot of teams want him, that’s why he didn’t make the all star team. Good trade finally a good rebounder

Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:05 pm

Hawks will have the opportunity to draft one of Perry Jones, Terrence Jones, or Jared Sullinger. One of those guys will drop to 23. I think Terrence is the guy that may actually drop.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:06 pm

We need to put together a team that can eventually goes 47-28 against the [Winners] over a two year stint ……Hmmmmmm

47-28= Contenders

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:08 pm

Bill Simmons just tweeted out this trade idea

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=873bmwb

NYK gets Joe and Marvin
ATL gets Amare, Iman Shumpert, and Toney Douglas

Would you do it? The idea of moving both Joe and Marvin in one fell swoop is very enticing, but the idea of having Amare’s no defense playing ass on this roster for four years with an uninsurable contract is frightening.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:11 pm

Three years, not four, for Amare’s deal. So in other words, he expires a year before Joe.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:11 pm

Najeh, a frontcourt of Al, Amare and Josh? Better get Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Mark Price and Dale Ellis in here or every team will simply play zone defense and the Hawks will score 70 points/game.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:13 pm

“a frontcourt of Al, Amare and Josh? Better get Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Mark Price and Dale Ellis in here or every team will simply play zone defense and the Hawks will score 70 points/game.”

I am looking at it more from a salary perspective. I have no interest in Amare on this team at all. You get rid of two bad contracts for one bad contract, and hopefully Amare plays well for long enough that the Hawks can move him somewhere else.

Still don’t know if I would do it, though. Apparently Amare’s uninsured contract makes him nearly untradeable, from everything I have read about it.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:15 pm

Welcome to the Hawks Blog falcon912fan!

So you are a High school basketball coach? Fascinating!

Hey coach these teenagers are so gifted athletically but fundamentally unsound for the most part? Must be tough sometimes?

Teach these guys how to shoot a pull up jumper….Show them how to go glass too.

Angles,Angles,Angles…..

The mid-range jumper is basically indefensible at any level….

Atlhawksfan

June 28th, 2012
12:17 pm

Trade Horford, Marvin and a future 1 rd to Orlando for Howard. Howard would love coming to his hometown and playing with Jsmoove.

MsDee

June 28th, 2012
12:19 pm

@Najeh,

NO WAY!! To give up Joe for a premadonna like Amare who seems to value acting more than basketball these days, A now injury prone Iman Shumpert, and Toney “to-the-bench” Douglas?? Again I say, NO WAY!!

The Real cp

June 28th, 2012
12:23 pm

Najeh Grandad and myself have been on the Harkless bandwagon from jump. The reason Miller gets so much love is because he was so highly ranked coming out of high school before that knee injury. At one point he was the top ranked guy out of his class. He just didnt look like the same player last year coming off that injury. A lot of people feel like once his knee is healthy he will be a stud. I like him at 23 but I prefer Harkless.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
12:23 pm

“Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:41 am
“So I ask all Hawks fans do you want to retool/reload the team or blow it up?”

I would reload/retool if there was a way to do it that made this team a title contender, but there isn’t unless some team gives the Hawks something valuable for Joe (which isn’t happening). So the answer is to blow it up.”

Ferry’s got 6 years to start the process to get a parade in downtown Atlanta. Is that enough? With Miami in your own division, probably not.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
12:25 pm

Boston is aggressively working to move up into the late lottery, if not higher, league sources tell Y!. Celtics own No. 21 and 22 picks.

Haha, looking for the Rivers/Rondo backcourt….Such a reach to see them choose anyone else. They might not have to go higher than 12.

Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:26 pm

Najeh….I do that Knicks trade in a minute. I had previously mentioned Joe and Marvin for Amare and a S&T Landry Fields.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:27 pm

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northcyde

June 28th, 2012
12:29 pm

OK.. . time to kill some myths around here. The crap as gone on long enough

Pau Gasol Top 5 offensive possessions

- Post Up . . . 28.5% of total possessions . . . 47.3% FG shooting
- Cut . . . . . . .14.1% of poss . . . 60% FG shooting
- Spot Up . . . 13.2% of poss . . . . . 42.8% FG shooting
- Pick/Roll Man . 11.7% of poss . . . 37% FG shooting
- Off Rebound . . 10.7% of poss . . . 57.7% FG shooting

Josh Smith’s top 5 offensive possessions

- Spot Up . . . . . 25.3% of poss . . . 36% FG shooting
- Post Up . . . . . 19.9% of poss . . . .39% FG shooting
- Isolation . . . . . 14% of poss . . . . . 38.7% FG shooting
- Transition . . . . 13.1% of poss . . . .70.5% FG shooting
- Cut . . . . . . . . . 9.1% of poss . . . . 67% FG shooting

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From an offensive perspective, we’d be trading for a player who is much more efficient in the half court offense. And we’d be getting a guy who plays more like a PF/C should. Those are simply fact folks. If you’re going to cite stats about what Josh or Pau bring to the table, let’s look at every single thing. And you know me . . I got more . . MUCH MORE to come.

Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:34 pm

That Knicks trade frees up $4M in cap space this year too.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
12:34 pm

Josh Smith defense is superior to Pau Gasol. Gasol rebounding would drop next to Al compared to Bynum. Gasol and Horf would be a better fit on offense but would be a horrible fit on defense. Gasol is older, worse contract, on top of that we would have to trade a solid player in Marvin. The Lakers can go to hell and any idiot who would like the deal can join them.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
12:34 pm

We don’t need Amare. We need Joe. Just off that alone, no deal clearly.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
12:37 pm

We really have an extremely stupid fan-base. One of the dumbest in sports. No wonder why most of Atlanta cheers for other teams. Look how stupid the Hawks fans are. They want an old ass Gasol for an improving impact player in Josh Smith.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
12:37 pm

Teams want Josh Smith what they don’t want is to give up as much to get him.

Teams like Boston and Lakers are out to undervalue Josh in these trades plus get more than just him.

Basically rob us blind and they’ll probably end up doing it too.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:40 pm

“He makes things look so easy” Moe Harkless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_1alVOQos8

Ra'mon

June 28th, 2012
12:40 pm

Northcyde, stats do not paint an entire picture. For instance it doesn’t factor in before this season, Gasol played with a hall of fame coach in Phil Jackson Also it doesn’t factor in that Gasol had the best 2 guard in the game and the 2nd best center in the game, so Gasol was the THIRD focal point of the defense.

Jason S

June 28th, 2012
12:41 pm

Not quite sold on Gasol for Smith

What I like about the trade: Gasol is a legit talent. In a trade under these circumstances, it may be difficult to get equal talent back for Josh. With Gasol, the Hawks get someone of roughly equivalent talent. Yes, Gasol is probably in decline, whereas Josh is still improving … but JOSH IS (more than likely) GONE after next year. Who cares how much better Josh will be than Gasol in two years. Josh will not be here in two years!

What I dislike about the trade: Pre-trade, the Hawks have just under $61 million committed to 6 players. Under certain assumptions, this leaves the Hawks with roughly $9 million to spend on (a minimum of) 7 guys. But if you make a trade of Josh and Marvin for Pau (got to add Marvin or Zaza to make the numbers work and there is no way the Hawks should move Josh and Zaza for Pau), the Hawks would have roughly $10 to spend on (a minimum) of 8 guys. This move would make the Hawks depth situation worse (*). And the cap situation would remain comparatively bad (if not get worse) the following year.

Overall: It wouldn’t be all that bad of a trade, but I am just not sold on the idea. Keep Josh unless you can get near or equal talent without hurting cap flexibility going forward (or unless you are planning on rebuilding and you can get a couple legit prospects or a legit prospect and a quality player in a position of need at a decent value).

(*) If you really think you can replace Marvin with a league minimum guy, then the Hawks depth situation would not actually get worse, but as much flack as Marvin gets, I think at the end of the day if we are all honest with ourselves, most of us would agree that Marvin cannot be replaced by a league minimum guy. (Maybe the Hawks can replace Marvin’s contributions at $3-4 million, but the likelihood of being able to replace his talents at $1 million is highly unlikely.)

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:43 pm

Gasol and All whatever would know as the Twin Towers? Dam….

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:44 pm

Hawks become a 7-9 seed for the purpose of getting relief one year early? No, thanks.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:45 pm

[be known]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Jason S

June 28th, 2012
12:47 pm

Joe for Amare? No way. Joe > Amare, and give their respective levels of talent and risk factors, Amare’s contract is not any better. The addition of adding Marvin for Shumpert and Douglas into the trade still doesn’t quite even out the deal.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:49 pm

Ray, are you suggesting that opposing teams would like to get more in return than they give up? Wow, that is Pulitzer Prize material right there.

Jason S

June 28th, 2012
12:51 pm

Also, no way Kings exchange their lottery pick for Josh Smith, let alone their lottery pick and Evans for Smith. Smith may be worth a lottery pick and maybe even a lottery pick and Evans, but a one-year rental of Smith is not worth either. (And the Kings would be fooling themselves if they think Josh would sign long-term with them.)

Ray

June 28th, 2012
12:53 pm

@ Slimjr

That only happened once.

With this core we stay in the 3-5 seed range and not only that in the second round range without ever making it too ECF.

Why is that because 1) Our suppose true leader disappears everytime in the playoffs.
2) Marvin is just there he’s neither effective nor ineffective he does just enough to satisfy then he can go home.

One main reason I don’t want Horford gone is we don’t know what he could have done if he’d been healthy the entire season for all we know we could have beaten Boston had a better record, advanced to round 2 and probably even round 3/ECF.

Josh did a lot more than people want to give him credit just like someone said stats don’t tell you the entire story.

Plus again I think people are confused Pau Gasol’s brother is a Center Pau himself is a Power Forward playing Center he more than likely will not do for this team.

Add to that what happens if Pau refuses to play or asks for a buyout when he gets here and goes back to L.A or something?

Kind of like Big Z with that Washington trade.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:59 pm

Ray, give me a break. Pau will not “refuse to play here”. He will not ‘refuse to play center”. What if Josh refuses to talk to the GM. What if Josh refuses to run the right play at the end of Game 6? What if Josh refuses to pass the ball to the PG and utilize his finishing ability? What if Josh refuses to consistently box out? What if Josh refuses to stop berating referees?

GA B-ball

June 28th, 2012
1:02 pm

Did anyone actually read the article the trade talks were started while Sund was still the G.M., so I don’t think that Ferry’s first important move will be to follow up on another bonehead Sund trade !! As for the NYK trade not to appealing, but Joe must go in my idea he can’t play a lick of defense & has absolutely no leadership skills….ala OKC Thunder very young & oh so talented yet no real in your face leader to calm them down during crisis. Let’s be realistic Hawk’s fans we need for Ferry to tweak this team to get us over the hump however he can. We will never win a single championship if Joe Johnson is considered the man or go to guy period. Shake it up Danny-boy !!!!!!!

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:06 pm

@ Astro Joe

I’m saying Teams like Lakers and Boston know how much Josh is worth, but they know how stupid ASG has been recently.

Look at our last major trade what did it net us Kirk Hinirch that’s it. For us giving up 1st round pick and 3 players.

With this Pau for Josh crap they know that Josh is worth more than just Pau, but they’re hoping ASG banks on the fact of Pau Gasol’s National fame vs. Josh local fame. In that trade.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
1:07 pm

Ray,

the reason All Get Real got hurt in the 1st place is because of his extremely limited offensive skills..

He had a 10 foot pull up glass or straight in jumper against the 7′2″ mountain man Roy Hibbert..But since he does not possess those skills he initiated contact to try and move the big man to create space to get his discombobulated shot off.. A scorer he is not and if you watch the film he was extremely uncomfortable down there in that area of the floor..Of course his shot got blocked twice and he blew out his shoulder to add insult to the injury….

He is overrated by a long shot Grasshopper…

mountain_jim

June 28th, 2012
1:08 pm

Anyone see this in last week’s SI mag? :
Acording to Synergy Sports, which defines a clutch situation as last 5 minutes when lead 5 or less, top closer this season was Joe Johnson, with 1.034 points per possession. Durant 2nd, James 3rd.)

I was surprised, but I bet if you looked at post-seasons Joe goes way down, as he dissapears in every one.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:08 pm

Now NBA Mock Draft.net has us taking Jared Sullinger at #23?????

Don’t know if I like it or not.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:09 pm

Ray, I personally don’t think that josh (with 12 months left on his deal) is clearly worth more than Gasol. Josh could walk away from the Lakers after 82 regular season games. That reduces his value (to other teams AND the Hawks). If josh signed an extension this summer, his value to the Hawks (and 29 other teams) would increase (assuming the contract is reasonable).

St. Bernard

June 28th, 2012
1:09 pm

yeah…who needs a center. More threes and fours please!

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:10 pm

@ Astro Joe

Give me a break you want Pau who’s probably on the decline 3rd option to Kobe and Bynum is a Power Forward which is what we already got. Plus add on way more salary with barely any room to hire FA’s please man.

J.J.M.

June 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

BREAKING NEWS!!! Josh Smith Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia traded to lakers for Pau Gasol Meta World Peace and future pick!

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

Slim, did you think Horford looked average in the few games he played against the Celtics?

northcyde

June 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

Thought: Pau Gasol can’t guard centers

Pau Gasol Per 48 Minute Opponent Counterpart numbers

14.5 points
14.3 rebounds
42% eFG%
56% iFG% ( inside FG% )
PER: 12.2

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These numbers show that the opposing center may be able to rebound and score on the inside vs Pau at a high rate if he can get to the rim. The 56% iFG is EXTREMELY high. On the flip side, the 42% eFG is EXTREMELY low. So the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Just looking back on past years, Gasol has always had an Opponent iFG% of over 50% vs ceners, which indicates that when a good center does get close to the rim on him, he’s scoring more often than not.

If I were to make a guess, I would say that due to the lack of FG attempts, those centers are getting offensive rebounds and putting them back in the hole vs Gasol, but not scoring on him when he’s actually matched up on them face to face.

The synergy data and video shows this to be the case. He’s holding guys to 36.1% in post up situations and around 37% in pick and roll situations. So the only explanation for the high inside FG% is that the opponent are grabbing offensive boards and putting them back in.

The defense isn’t an issue vs PF’s. The iFG% is in the 30s, while the eFG% is under 50%. His length at the position is definitely a problem for the opposition.

Analysis just by looking at stats and the film is that the on the ball defense will improve with Gasol, but unless that translates into other people grabbing defensive rebounds, the offensive rebounds the opponents get against us may still be a problem.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:13 pm

@ St. Bernard

That’s what we need to be looking at is Center which PAU GASOL IS NOT!

Although looking at 3’s is not bad either since we hope Marvin gets shipped out today.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:15 pm

Ray, the assumption is that Josh is leaving in about 370 days. Now what?

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:15 pm

@ J.J.M

Sources please?

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
1:15 pm

“Jason S

June 28th, 2012
12:51 pm
Also, no way Kings exchange their lottery pick for Josh Smith, let alone their lottery pick and Evans for Smith. Smith may be worth a lottery pick and maybe even a lottery pick and Evans, but a one-year rental of Smith is not worth either. (And the Kings would be fooling themselves if they think Josh would sign long-term with them.)”

LD has done Josh no favors with the way he game has evolved. Allowing him to freelance and play according to the ‘Smoove’ rules, he isn’t upping his value in the open market.

So now Josh isn’t worth a low draft pick? That just doesn’t make sense at this point. Teams 1-5 are not making the playoffs this year, unless they get some major veteran help and the develop their draft picks.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:17 pm

@ Astro Joe

You say he might be leaving, but you’re only assuming if we do the right thing by getting rid of Marvin and possibly Joe Johnson we can resign Smith.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
1:17 pm

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

“Slim, did you think Horford looked average in the few games he played against the Celtics?”

Does he look like ECF or Finals material? The answer is no…Shop him too Danny…

GA B-ball

June 28th, 2012
1:19 pm

Bleacher report predicts Royce White with our 1st rounder saying “Alanta’s window of opportunity in the Eastern Conference is all but shut, so it’s time to start reloading with some potential young studs like White” I think this article is right on the mark except for picking White.

DS

June 28th, 2012
1:19 pm

Najeh I had proposed a trade a while ago here, but never checked back, that would send:
Joe to NY
Amare & Horford to ORL
Dwight & Turkoglu to ATL
I think that’s the best the Magic can get for Dwight, plus they get rid of Turk. I say we then use the amnesty on Marvin and sign Nash and Ray Allen, and we draft the best perimeter defender with the 23rd. That’s a championship team.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
1:23 pm

LOL at AJ!

Everybody else had been through a marathon with the condensed season and ALL GET REAL had three months off to rehab..

Duh…..Of course he was going to look fresh compared to everybody else..

Nice try though Sir….LMFAO!

J.J.M.

June 28th, 2012
1:23 pm

Chris Broussard just reported it

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:24 pm

@ DS

Only without the championship or even a ECF caliber coach just saying.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
1:25 pm

@J.J.M is a troll. Pay him no mind.

St. Bernard

June 28th, 2012
1:27 pm

@ Ray
Thanks for clarifying that Gasol isn’t a center. I must have been confused by all the facts.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:28 pm

@ St. Bernard

That wasn’t for you more like for those that think he’ll be effective at C especially in the offense we run(whatever it is lol).

@ Air Zaza

Okay thanks if that is the case.

O'Brien

June 28th, 2012
1:28 pm

Ray,

How do we get rid of Marvin (2 years, $15.8 mil) and JJ (4 years, $89 mil)? Keep in mind that Josh would have to be convinced that what we get in return would improve the Hawks.

DS

June 28th, 2012
1:29 pm

Ray, of course…we’d have to hire a real coach..

J.J.M.

June 28th, 2012
1:29 pm

troll deez nutsssss

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:30 pm

Gasol can play the position, but it doesn’t mean he’ll be effective as people want him to be. Look at Jason Collins he can play C, but has he really been effective besides bothering Dwight Howard.

O'Brien

June 28th, 2012
1:31 pm

If Houston comes calling for Josh Smith, what would be a fair trade package (and please keep in mind that it must be reasonable for Houston as well – given the fact that Josh might only be a 1 year rental).

Two options (imo) are:

1) Kevin Martin and a pick (#12 would be nice, but I doubt Houston gives it up – so what about #16). Like Josh, Martin only has 1 year left (similarly salaries), but he can be our starting SG (for his career, he averages 18 ppg), and we move JJ to SF. We get to strengthen our bench with the #16 pick.

2) Kyle Lowry and 2 of their picks (probably #16 and #18 – I doubt they give up #12). Lowry is signed for 2 more years at $12 mil. We would start either him or Jeff, but our bench would get a huge improvement (imo) with Jeff or Lowry ruining the second unit. And we could package those picks to move up. We would also save $6 mil in salary.

What do you guys think?

Najeh,

JJ will make $20+ mil each year for the next 4 years. The ASG is not going to pay $20+ mil to go away. Therefore, I think Marvin is the only likely candidate.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:32 pm

@ O’Brien

Trade Marvin Amnesty Joe unless you can field a trade for Joe then do that.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:36 pm

Ray, we can resign Josh and he knows it. There are several levers in place to make that happen. Josh won’t leave because he won’t get a quality offer from the Hawks, the assumption is that Josh WANTS to leave in 370 days. Now what?

hawk haterbecauseof ownership

June 28th, 2012
1:43 pm

Trade everybody but hoford they all suck!

earl

June 28th, 2012
1:45 pm

I am so glad if josh isnt going to play like he should then he should be traded josh has the game exp but not the mechanics in the brain he doesn’t understand of what he cant do and this is the problem
yeah he is still young but its time become a man in basketball joe loses games on purpose

coach is good but we need a great coach someone who wants to win like kc jones type not a lenny wilkens or old mike but someone who takes full command since we wont draft a leader except for horfield who comes from a winning tradition from fla . i am a true hawk fan and i am ready for some rings in this town i dont even care if atlanta dream gets a ring someone please

St. Bernard

June 28th, 2012
1:46 pm

@Ray there’s no comparison between Collins and Gasol. Gasol is an all-star (on the decline). I’ve been a Hawks fan for a long time. Gasol gets them to the next level, even if he has less overall worth than Smith. I like Smith, but I think Gasol would change the team for the better if he’s motivated.

PD

June 28th, 2012
1:48 pm

I would try to convince the Kings to take Joe Johnson for Tyreke Evans and they can throw one bad contract our way like Chuck Hayes.

If this franchise is as broke as the rumors claim they shouldn’t amnesty any players. They have to ditch Joe’s contract somehow to open it up for the rest in many ways.

@O’Brien I do like this scenario too
Kevin Martin and a pick (#12 would be nice, but I doubt Houston gives it up – so what about #16). Like Josh, Martin only has 1 year left (similarly salaries), but he can be our starting SG (for his career, he averages 18 ppg), and we move JJ to SF. We get to strengthen our bench with the #16 pick.

northcyde

June 28th, 2012
1:53 pm

I forgot to add that Gasol’s opponents at center are scoring 14.5 points on 13.9 shots . . on a per 48 minute basis. Despite the extremely high iFG%, that is damn good.

So I guess now the only thing to do is compare that to what the other Hawk big men who play center has produced against them:

Zaza Pachulia Opp Per 48

18.2 points ( on 15.4 shots )
13.3 rebounds
eFG%: 50.8%
iFG%: 50%
PER: 16.7

Synergy:

- Post up defense: 46.4% FG
- Pick n Roll Man: 39.6% FG

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Josh Smith Opp Per 48 @ C

15.2 points ( on 13.8 shots )
12.8 rebounds
46.2% eFG%
51% iFG%
12.4 PER

( Contrary to popular belief around here, Josh Smith’s best alternative position has ALWAYS been Center, not SF. When he gets to play around the rim, he’s a more active scorer AND shot blocker AND rebounder. If he were tougher, he’d be the “Ben Wallace” that Billy Knight always envisioned for the Hawks. )

Synergy:

Post Up – 41.5% FG
Pick/Roll Man – 41.9% FG

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Al Horford Opp Per 48 @ C

15.9 points ( on 14.7 shots )
13.2 rebounds
50% eFG%
51% iFG%
PER: 13.6

Synergy:

Post up – 46.7% FG
Pick/Roll Man – 43.8% FG

*********************

In a trade for Gasol, the guy that must be added to this squad, is Ivan Johnson. I don’t know if Ferry values Ivan like the rest of us, but from an active and defensive standpoint, he’s a guy that needs to be added to this squad as a reserve PF. And with 3 guys who can legitimately play center on the team ( Gasol, Horford, Zaza ), Ivan will be able to exclusively play PF.

Ivan’s Opp Per 48 numbers @ PF

16.7 points ( on 15.3 shots )
10.9 rebounds
43.6% eFG%
32% iFG%
PER: 13.1

Synergy

- Post up: 40.4% FG
- Pick/Roll Man: 28.6% FG . . ( the 0.53 points per possession that he gave up ranked THIRD in the entire league )

That dude looks very good with his defensive awareness and the way he rotates from his man to an open man in his area. Unless Ferry is going after a Reggie Evans or someone along those lines, they can’t let Ivan slip away, especially if we lose Josh.

Dawg

June 28th, 2012
1:54 pm

Comparing Gasol to Collins? I am not necessarily in favor of the trade because of money. But we would be getting a player who could help us in an areas of need in exchange for a peson (although very talented) has Al and Alvin who could still pay the position at a very high level.

Don’t anyone remember the 10 minute 1 rebound performances by Collins?

Marcus

June 28th, 2012
1:56 pm

OB,
A couple weeks ago I suggested Marvin for K. Lowery + Patrick Patterson (salaries match) when K. Lowery was not feelin’ McHale as coach. Not sure if HOU would want Marvin or if K. Lowery’s public display of displeasure with his current coach was enough for them to pull the trigger just to move him elsewhere…. but it was a wish …

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
2:03 pm

northcyde, Kupchak has been sitting on the trade offer for 3-4 weeks. No need to try and convince hawks fans why Gasol would be a good fit here… someone needs to convince the Lakers GM/owner why Josh would be a good fit there. if the reported timeline is true, the Lakers are the ones who “aren’t feeling it”.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
2:04 pm

Oh did I forget to mention that our point center[All Get Real] had 7 to’s in the elimination game[Game 6] against Boston?

Shop him too…
Yea he looked real good……..Whatever…..

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
2:06 pm

Thanks Kupchak for laughing at Sund! Whew……

Mike

June 28th, 2012
2:06 pm

Well, its looks like Rockets bid for Howard isnt working out too well. So they started on Plan B. Their Plan B is Josh. Want to see if they give Hawks something good.

Jason S

June 28th, 2012
2:08 pm

@O’Brien: I am not sure the Hawks get better* this year by trading Josh for (a) Kevin Martin and the #16 or (b) Lowry and the #16 and #18. But I do like these trades because the Hawks would not get worse* this year, they would not loose potential cap flexibility in the near future, and the Hawks get a chance to acquire an OK prospect or two in the draft.

What about K. Martin as a 6th man? I know that would require starting Marvin or a less talented guard (e.g., Kirk if he was to be brought back), but having K. Martin coming off the bench would be potent. (Plus, I am not sold on K. Martin defensively … )

* For me, for the Hawks to be considered “better” they would have to have a legit shot at the ECF. For the Hawks to be considered “worse” they would have to be considered a gauranteed 1-and-done (or not make the playoffs at all). If the Hawks remain a team that might/probably get passed the 1st round, then the Hawks would be no better/no worse than the current Hawks.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
2:09 pm

We need picks with this potentially historic draft!

Deepest one in years!

Gasol not coming here…Good..

t minus 5:51 mins till liftoff!

What say you Houston????????????????????????

Ken Strickland

June 28th, 2012
2:10 pm

I’d work on the trade with Houston for KMartin and one of their 1st rd picks, and then offer them MWilliams for LOdom, who they’ve given permission to seek trade opportunities on his own. That would give us the 14th, or 16th, and 23rd pick in the 1st rd, and the 43rd pick in the 2nd rd. With those picks we could draft a starting quality center, a SF and SG.

Our starting lineup would be
SF-JJ, or draft pick,
C-draft pick,
PF-Horford,
SG-Martin, or JJ,
PG-JTeague.
Our bench would be
LOdom-SF/PF,
IJohnson-PF/C,
ZPachulia-C,
KMartin-SG/PG(if he doesn’t start),
draft pick(if he does)-SG,
draft pick-SF(if JJ starts at SF),
WGreen-SG,
JPargo-PG,
and extra Big(Thabeet).

Jhawk

June 28th, 2012
2:10 pm

No don’t trade for Gasol you can get way better for Josh, saying this offload this idiot asap. It will be great to sit in Phillips and when he is thinking about lofting a 3 or a long 2 everyone can yell shoot it Josh you will be helping your team you can hit it man go for it!!!

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
2:10 pm

Check that t minus 4:50 mins till liftoff!

Mike

June 28th, 2012
2:12 pm

Atleast I want atleast one or two First-round picks for Josh and Marvin if they want him.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
2:12 pm

” I think this article is right on the mark except for picking White.”

White is a unique player — and unique usually also means polarizing — but I think he’s a solid building block. He does too many things well to not be a good NBA player. I don’t know if he’d fit well with Horford, but I don’t think the Hawks should be drafting with “fit” in mind.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
2:13 pm

t minus 4:47

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
2:15 pm

“Gasol gets them to the next level, even if he has less overall worth than Smith”

What is “the next level”?

“I like Smith, but I think Gasol would change the team for the better if he’s motivated.”

Do you trust LD to motivate Gasol?

Ray

June 28th, 2012
2:15 pm

Okay let’s get on thing straight Gasol is 100x the player Collins is I’m just saying Gasol is a PF Horford is also a PF.

Look Gasol can play the C position, but what I’m getting at is will he really be effective at it? The reason I put Collins in is because he also plays the C, but he’s only effective doing one thing annoying Dwight Howard.

Gasol might do more than that, but how much more considering in the east you got Roy Hibbert, Chandler, and Howard.

northcyde

June 28th, 2012
2:15 pm

Ra’mon

June 28th, 2012
12:40 pm

Northcyde, stats do not paint an entire picture. For instance it doesn’t factor in before this season, Gasol played with a hall of fame coach in Phil Jackson Also it doesn’t factor in that Gasol had the best 2 guard in the game and the 2nd best center in the game, so Gasol was the THIRD focal point of the defense.

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There is no such thing as a “3rd focal point” on defense. If you can defend, you can defend . . point blank, period.

The problem is that even when people bring empirical evidence stating what everyone WANTS to believe about Pau, they still believe what they want to believe. It doesn’t matter if you post stats, or a youtube clip of a game in which Pau goes up against Boston, or whatever. It simply doesn’t matter to those of you who are flat out against this move.

It’s always a “yeah, but . . ” when it comes to this discussion. Pau was always an efficient rebounding and high scoring PF before he came to the Lakers, and he’s continued to be that when he came to that team. His game or production didn’t change when he went to LA, only his exposure. He was always that good in Memphis, they just didn’t have enough to win in the playoffs.

The same would happen to Josh Smith if he’s in Los Angeles. His offensive game would be scrutinized even more, but his defense would be hyped beyond belief, and he won’t miss not being on another All-Defensive team as long as he plays just like he’s playing now. The extra exposure will do wonders about how he’s perceived overall . . . which is probably why he wouldn’t mind a trade to a high profile team.

The bottom line when it comes to this trade is BALANCE. We’d finally have a frontline that people would have to account for on the inside. There would be no more leaving our PF wide open to go double Joe Johnson out on the perimeter, because both Gasol and Horford would make you pay dearly for leaving them open for an 18 foot jumper.

And while the help defense Josh provides would be gone, the overall man defense may be better, seeing that both Gasol and Horford are good on the ball defenders.

Anybody who thinks this move would weaken the Hawks, simply isn’t watching the Hawks. We have a hell of a time scoring in the halfcourt offense, especially when teams zero on taking JJ out with double teams. By giving the Hawks a big time low post scoring weapon on the frontline, it’ll not only eliminate some of the doubles that JJ receives, but also will make Teague a more dangerous player.

If the Hawks make this move, that’s what they’ll be looking at. How it affects the team as a whole.

Rod from College Park

June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm

“In a compressed season with injuries to 2 of 3 captains, the bench was essential to get us home court advantage. In my way of thinking, that is an effective bench. I can’t dismiss 66 games worth of contribution because of a poor 5 games in the playoffs (they did step up a little in Gmae 3 as I recall).”

Typical Atlanta fan loser thinking. The bench was effective this year because they helped us get home court in the playoffs. In case you did not know it home court did not matter in the playoffs. The bench did nothing in the playoffs (when it matters). The playoffs are what matters, not the regular season.

Michael Cunningham

June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
2:17 pm

“If he were tougher, he’d be the “Ben Wallace” that Billy Knight always envisioned for the Hawks.”

Haha. Josh’s “toughness” isn’t what keeps him from playing C. Josh’s 225 pound frame and 6′9″ height are what keep him from playing C. Ben Wallace had an amazingly strong lower body that allowed him to hold his post position and compensate for his lack of ideal C size. Josh doesn’t have that, and if he tried to develop it he would likely lose a lot of the explosiveness that makes him good in the first place.

Once again, players can’t simply wave a magic wand and “step up” to become what they want to be. There are real limitations on what players are capable of doing.