Atlanta Hawks: Hawks said to pursue Josh Smith for Pau Gasol trade

According to Mike Bresnahan of the Los Angeles Times, the Hawks have tired to trade forward Josh Smith for Lakers forward Pau Gasol.

Bresnahan tweeted that no deal is imminent. And a big caveat is that his report says the Hawks first expressed interest in Gasol after Los Angeles was eliminated from the playoffs by the Thunder, back when Rick Sund was still Hawks GM.

The Hawks have since hired GM Danny Ferry, who says he’s focused on building long term. Gasol turns 32 next week and is owed more than $38 million over the next two seasons.

Also, Bresnahan and ESPN’s Chad Ford reported the Lakers are open to trading Gasol for a high lottery pick and players, a price the Hawks can’t match.

The Rockets, who have been accumulating draft picks, could meet the Lakers’ price. Houston already tried to trade for Gasol as part of the infamous Chris Paul deal that was eventually nixed by NBA commissioner David Stern.

Update: Ford now says the Rockets aren’t pursuing Gasol.

Smith, who can become an unrestricted free agent next summer, first told the Hawks he wanted to be traded after last season and reiterated that desire prior to this season’s deadline. Smith wants to join a franchise he feels is more committed to winning and play in a market with better fan support.

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Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:05 pm

Hawks will have the opportunity to draft one of Perry Jones, Terrence Jones, or Jared Sullinger. One of those guys will drop to 23. I think Terrence is the guy that may actually drop.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:06 pm

We need to put together a team that can eventually goes 47-28 against the [Winners] over a two year stint ……Hmmmmmm

47-28= Contenders

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:08 pm

Bill Simmons just tweeted out this trade idea

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=873bmwb

NYK gets Joe and Marvin
ATL gets Amare, Iman Shumpert, and Toney Douglas

Would you do it? The idea of moving both Joe and Marvin in one fell swoop is very enticing, but the idea of having Amare’s no defense playing ass on this roster for four years with an uninsurable contract is frightening.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:11 pm

Three years, not four, for Amare’s deal. So in other words, he expires a year before Joe.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:11 pm

Najeh, a frontcourt of Al, Amare and Josh? Better get Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Mark Price and Dale Ellis in here or every team will simply play zone defense and the Hawks will score 70 points/game.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
12:13 pm

“a frontcourt of Al, Amare and Josh? Better get Ray Allen, Steve Nash, Mark Price and Dale Ellis in here or every team will simply play zone defense and the Hawks will score 70 points/game.”

I am looking at it more from a salary perspective. I have no interest in Amare on this team at all. You get rid of two bad contracts for one bad contract, and hopefully Amare plays well for long enough that the Hawks can move him somewhere else.

Still don’t know if I would do it, though. Apparently Amare’s uninsured contract makes him nearly untradeable, from everything I have read about it.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:15 pm

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So you are a High school basketball coach? Fascinating!

Hey coach these teenagers are so gifted athletically but fundamentally unsound for the most part? Must be tough sometimes?

Teach these guys how to shoot a pull up jumper….Show them how to go glass too.

Angles,Angles,Angles…..

The mid-range jumper is basically indefensible at any level….

Atlhawksfan

June 28th, 2012
12:17 pm

Trade Horford, Marvin and a future 1 rd to Orlando for Howard. Howard would love coming to his hometown and playing with Jsmoove.

MsDee

June 28th, 2012
12:19 pm

@Najeh,

NO WAY!! To give up Joe for a premadonna like Amare who seems to value acting more than basketball these days, A now injury prone Iman Shumpert, and Toney “to-the-bench” Douglas?? Again I say, NO WAY!!

The Real cp

June 28th, 2012
12:23 pm

Najeh Grandad and myself have been on the Harkless bandwagon from jump. The reason Miller gets so much love is because he was so highly ranked coming out of high school before that knee injury. At one point he was the top ranked guy out of his class. He just didnt look like the same player last year coming off that injury. A lot of people feel like once his knee is healthy he will be a stud. I like him at 23 but I prefer Harkless.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
12:23 pm

“Najeh Davenpoop

June 28th, 2012
11:41 am
“So I ask all Hawks fans do you want to retool/reload the team or blow it up?”

I would reload/retool if there was a way to do it that made this team a title contender, but there isn’t unless some team gives the Hawks something valuable for Joe (which isn’t happening). So the answer is to blow it up.”

Ferry’s got 6 years to start the process to get a parade in downtown Atlanta. Is that enough? With Miami in your own division, probably not.

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
12:25 pm

Boston is aggressively working to move up into the late lottery, if not higher, league sources tell Y!. Celtics own No. 21 and 22 picks.

Haha, looking for the Rivers/Rondo backcourt….Such a reach to see them choose anyone else. They might not have to go higher than 12.

Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:26 pm

Najeh….I do that Knicks trade in a minute. I had previously mentioned Joe and Marvin for Amare and a S&T Landry Fields.

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June 28th, 2012
12:27 pm

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northcyde

June 28th, 2012
12:29 pm

OK.. . time to kill some myths around here. The crap as gone on long enough

Pau Gasol Top 5 offensive possessions

- Post Up . . . 28.5% of total possessions . . . 47.3% FG shooting
- Cut . . . . . . .14.1% of poss . . . 60% FG shooting
- Spot Up . . . 13.2% of poss . . . . . 42.8% FG shooting
- Pick/Roll Man . 11.7% of poss . . . 37% FG shooting
- Off Rebound . . 10.7% of poss . . . 57.7% FG shooting

Josh Smith’s top 5 offensive possessions

- Spot Up . . . . . 25.3% of poss . . . 36% FG shooting
- Post Up . . . . . 19.9% of poss . . . .39% FG shooting
- Isolation . . . . . 14% of poss . . . . . 38.7% FG shooting
- Transition . . . . 13.1% of poss . . . .70.5% FG shooting
- Cut . . . . . . . . . 9.1% of poss . . . . 67% FG shooting

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From an offensive perspective, we’d be trading for a player who is much more efficient in the half court offense. And we’d be getting a guy who plays more like a PF/C should. Those are simply fact folks. If you’re going to cite stats about what Josh or Pau bring to the table, let’s look at every single thing. And you know me . . I got more . . MUCH MORE to come.

Just Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:34 pm

That Knicks trade frees up $4M in cap space this year too.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
12:34 pm

Josh Smith defense is superior to Pau Gasol. Gasol rebounding would drop next to Al compared to Bynum. Gasol and Horf would be a better fit on offense but would be a horrible fit on defense. Gasol is older, worse contract, on top of that we would have to trade a solid player in Marvin. The Lakers can go to hell and any idiot who would like the deal can join them.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
12:34 pm

We don’t need Amare. We need Joe. Just off that alone, no deal clearly.

Air Zaza

June 28th, 2012
12:37 pm

We really have an extremely stupid fan-base. One of the dumbest in sports. No wonder why most of Atlanta cheers for other teams. Look how stupid the Hawks fans are. They want an old ass Gasol for an improving impact player in Josh Smith.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
12:37 pm

Teams want Josh Smith what they don’t want is to give up as much to get him.

Teams like Boston and Lakers are out to undervalue Josh in these trades plus get more than just him.

Basically rob us blind and they’ll probably end up doing it too.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:40 pm

“He makes things look so easy” Moe Harkless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_1alVOQos8

Ra'mon

June 28th, 2012
12:40 pm

Northcyde, stats do not paint an entire picture. For instance it doesn’t factor in before this season, Gasol played with a hall of fame coach in Phil Jackson Also it doesn’t factor in that Gasol had the best 2 guard in the game and the 2nd best center in the game, so Gasol was the THIRD focal point of the defense.

Jason S

June 28th, 2012
12:41 pm

Not quite sold on Gasol for Smith

What I like about the trade: Gasol is a legit talent. In a trade under these circumstances, it may be difficult to get equal talent back for Josh. With Gasol, the Hawks get someone of roughly equivalent talent. Yes, Gasol is probably in decline, whereas Josh is still improving … but JOSH IS (more than likely) GONE after next year. Who cares how much better Josh will be than Gasol in two years. Josh will not be here in two years!

What I dislike about the trade: Pre-trade, the Hawks have just under $61 million committed to 6 players. Under certain assumptions, this leaves the Hawks with roughly $9 million to spend on (a minimum of) 7 guys. But if you make a trade of Josh and Marvin for Pau (got to add Marvin or Zaza to make the numbers work and there is no way the Hawks should move Josh and Zaza for Pau), the Hawks would have roughly $10 to spend on (a minimum) of 8 guys. This move would make the Hawks depth situation worse (*). And the cap situation would remain comparatively bad (if not get worse) the following year.

Overall: It wouldn’t be all that bad of a trade, but I am just not sold on the idea. Keep Josh unless you can get near or equal talent without hurting cap flexibility going forward (or unless you are planning on rebuilding and you can get a couple legit prospects or a legit prospect and a quality player in a position of need at a decent value).

(*) If you really think you can replace Marvin with a league minimum guy, then the Hawks depth situation would not actually get worse, but as much flack as Marvin gets, I think at the end of the day if we are all honest with ourselves, most of us would agree that Marvin cannot be replaced by a league minimum guy. (Maybe the Hawks can replace Marvin’s contributions at $3-4 million, but the likelihood of being able to replace his talents at $1 million is highly unlikely.)

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:43 pm

Gasol and All whatever would know as the Twin Towers? Dam….

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:44 pm

Hawks become a 7-9 seed for the purpose of getting relief one year early? No, thanks.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
12:45 pm

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Jason S

June 28th, 2012
12:47 pm

Joe for Amare? No way. Joe > Amare, and give their respective levels of talent and risk factors, Amare’s contract is not any better. The addition of adding Marvin for Shumpert and Douglas into the trade still doesn’t quite even out the deal.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:49 pm

Ray, are you suggesting that opposing teams would like to get more in return than they give up? Wow, that is Pulitzer Prize material right there.

Jason S

June 28th, 2012
12:51 pm

Also, no way Kings exchange their lottery pick for Josh Smith, let alone their lottery pick and Evans for Smith. Smith may be worth a lottery pick and maybe even a lottery pick and Evans, but a one-year rental of Smith is not worth either. (And the Kings would be fooling themselves if they think Josh would sign long-term with them.)

Ray

June 28th, 2012
12:53 pm

@ Slimjr

That only happened once.

With this core we stay in the 3-5 seed range and not only that in the second round range without ever making it too ECF.

Why is that because 1) Our suppose true leader disappears everytime in the playoffs.
2) Marvin is just there he’s neither effective nor ineffective he does just enough to satisfy then he can go home.

One main reason I don’t want Horford gone is we don’t know what he could have done if he’d been healthy the entire season for all we know we could have beaten Boston had a better record, advanced to round 2 and probably even round 3/ECF.

Josh did a lot more than people want to give him credit just like someone said stats don’t tell you the entire story.

Plus again I think people are confused Pau Gasol’s brother is a Center Pau himself is a Power Forward playing Center he more than likely will not do for this team.

Add to that what happens if Pau refuses to play or asks for a buyout when he gets here and goes back to L.A or something?

Kind of like Big Z with that Washington trade.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
12:59 pm

Ray, give me a break. Pau will not “refuse to play here”. He will not ‘refuse to play center”. What if Josh refuses to talk to the GM. What if Josh refuses to run the right play at the end of Game 6? What if Josh refuses to pass the ball to the PG and utilize his finishing ability? What if Josh refuses to consistently box out? What if Josh refuses to stop berating referees?

GA B-ball

June 28th, 2012
1:02 pm

Did anyone actually read the article the trade talks were started while Sund was still the G.M., so I don’t think that Ferry’s first important move will be to follow up on another bonehead Sund trade !! As for the NYK trade not to appealing, but Joe must go in my idea he can’t play a lick of defense & has absolutely no leadership skills….ala OKC Thunder very young & oh so talented yet no real in your face leader to calm them down during crisis. Let’s be realistic Hawk’s fans we need for Ferry to tweak this team to get us over the hump however he can. We will never win a single championship if Joe Johnson is considered the man or go to guy period. Shake it up Danny-boy !!!!!!!

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:06 pm

@ Astro Joe

I’m saying Teams like Lakers and Boston know how much Josh is worth, but they know how stupid ASG has been recently.

Look at our last major trade what did it net us Kirk Hinirch that’s it. For us giving up 1st round pick and 3 players.

With this Pau for Josh crap they know that Josh is worth more than just Pau, but they’re hoping ASG banks on the fact of Pau Gasol’s National fame vs. Josh local fame. In that trade.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
1:07 pm

Ray,

the reason All Get Real got hurt in the 1st place is because of his extremely limited offensive skills..

He had a 10 foot pull up glass or straight in jumper against the 7′2″ mountain man Roy Hibbert..But since he does not possess those skills he initiated contact to try and move the big man to create space to get his discombobulated shot off.. A scorer he is not and if you watch the film he was extremely uncomfortable down there in that area of the floor..Of course his shot got blocked twice and he blew out his shoulder to add insult to the injury….

He is overrated by a long shot Grasshopper…

mountain_jim

June 28th, 2012
1:08 pm

Anyone see this in last week’s SI mag? :
Acording to Synergy Sports, which defines a clutch situation as last 5 minutes when lead 5 or less, top closer this season was Joe Johnson, with 1.034 points per possession. Durant 2nd, James 3rd.)

I was surprised, but I bet if you looked at post-seasons Joe goes way down, as he dissapears in every one.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:08 pm

Now NBA Mock Draft.net has us taking Jared Sullinger at #23?????

Don’t know if I like it or not.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:09 pm

Ray, I personally don’t think that josh (with 12 months left on his deal) is clearly worth more than Gasol. Josh could walk away from the Lakers after 82 regular season games. That reduces his value (to other teams AND the Hawks). If josh signed an extension this summer, his value to the Hawks (and 29 other teams) would increase (assuming the contract is reasonable).

St. Bernard

June 28th, 2012
1:09 pm

yeah…who needs a center. More threes and fours please!

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:10 pm

@ Astro Joe

Give me a break you want Pau who’s probably on the decline 3rd option to Kobe and Bynum is a Power Forward which is what we already got. Plus add on way more salary with barely any room to hire FA’s please man.

J.J.M.

June 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

BREAKING NEWS!!! Josh Smith Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia traded to lakers for Pau Gasol Meta World Peace and future pick!

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

Slim, did you think Horford looked average in the few games he played against the Celtics?

northcyde

June 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

Thought: Pau Gasol can’t guard centers

Pau Gasol Per 48 Minute Opponent Counterpart numbers

14.5 points
14.3 rebounds
42% eFG%
56% iFG% ( inside FG% )
PER: 12.2

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These numbers show that the opposing center may be able to rebound and score on the inside vs Pau at a high rate if he can get to the rim. The 56% iFG is EXTREMELY high. On the flip side, the 42% eFG is EXTREMELY low. So the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Just looking back on past years, Gasol has always had an Opponent iFG% of over 50% vs ceners, which indicates that when a good center does get close to the rim on him, he’s scoring more often than not.

If I were to make a guess, I would say that due to the lack of FG attempts, those centers are getting offensive rebounds and putting them back in the hole vs Gasol, but not scoring on him when he’s actually matched up on them face to face.

The synergy data and video shows this to be the case. He’s holding guys to 36.1% in post up situations and around 37% in pick and roll situations. So the only explanation for the high inside FG% is that the opponent are grabbing offensive boards and putting them back in.

The defense isn’t an issue vs PF’s. The iFG% is in the 30s, while the eFG% is under 50%. His length at the position is definitely a problem for the opposition.

Analysis just by looking at stats and the film is that the on the ball defense will improve with Gasol, but unless that translates into other people grabbing defensive rebounds, the offensive rebounds the opponents get against us may still be a problem.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:13 pm

@ St. Bernard

That’s what we need to be looking at is Center which PAU GASOL IS NOT!

Although looking at 3’s is not bad either since we hope Marvin gets shipped out today.

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:15 pm

Ray, the assumption is that Josh is leaving in about 370 days. Now what?

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:15 pm

@ J.J.M

Sources please?

KevinM

June 28th, 2012
1:15 pm

“Jason S

June 28th, 2012
12:51 pm
Also, no way Kings exchange their lottery pick for Josh Smith, let alone their lottery pick and Evans for Smith. Smith may be worth a lottery pick and maybe even a lottery pick and Evans, but a one-year rental of Smith is not worth either. (And the Kings would be fooling themselves if they think Josh would sign long-term with them.)”

LD has done Josh no favors with the way he game has evolved. Allowing him to freelance and play according to the ‘Smoove’ rules, he isn’t upping his value in the open market.

So now Josh isn’t worth a low draft pick? That just doesn’t make sense at this point. Teams 1-5 are not making the playoffs this year, unless they get some major veteran help and the develop their draft picks.

Ray

June 28th, 2012
1:17 pm

@ Astro Joe

You say he might be leaving, but you’re only assuming if we do the right thing by getting rid of Marvin and possibly Joe Johnson we can resign Smith.

Slimjr

June 28th, 2012
1:17 pm

Astro Joe

June 28th, 2012
1:12 pm

“Slim, did you think Horford looked average in the few games he played against the Celtics?”

Does he look like ECF or Finals material? The answer is no…Shop him too Danny…

GA B-ball

June 28th, 2012
1:19 pm

Bleacher report predicts Royce White with our 1st rounder saying “Alanta’s window of opportunity in the Eastern Conference is all but shut, so it’s time to start reloading with some potential young studs like White” I think this article is right on the mark except for picking White.

DS

June 28th, 2012
1:19 pm

Najeh I had proposed a trade a while ago here, but never checked back, that would send:
Joe to NY
Amare & Horford to ORL
Dwight & Turkoglu to ATL
I think that’s the best the Magic can get for Dwight, plus they get rid of Turk. I say we then use the amnesty on Marvin and sign Nash and Ray Allen, and we draft the best perimeter defender with the 23rd. That’s a championship team.