Atlanta Hawks: Danny Ferry uncut

Some excerpts from Danny Ferry’s session with reporters following his introduction as Hawks GM.

From Ferry’s opening statement:

I was not looking to leave San Antonio. [Owner] Peter Holt, [coach] Gregg Popovich, [GM] R.C. Buford were incredible to me and my family. Obviously it’s a wonderful place to work.

But getting to know Bruce [Levenson] over the last several weeks made myself think and challenge myself whether this is the right thing to do. I was struck by his humble approach to the past [especially] for a team that has done well. There was a real sense of humility. I was really struck by his intensity, his focus, his energy about going toward the future and trying to build something from the ground up. This was critical to me to know that it can and will be done the right way.

Over the last four years, from 10,000 feet looking at it from San Antonio, this place has done pretty well. Rick [Sund] is a big part of that, Larry [Drew] last year obviously was a big part of that. I am coming here to build on what they’ve done a good job with so far.

My approach coming here, to be clear, is to try to have a value-based identity with good guys that play hard, play together, share the ball [and[ that can be professional on the court. From a program standpoint, from an operation standpoint being progressive, being systematic in how we go about everything whether it's the draft, player development, medical, and so on. And then just a consistent commitment from us building inside out with a good, strong culture and a family atmosphere. Those are the things we will look at every day and hopefully we are doing a good job with it.

Q. How will things work with the draft?

A. "I've been working, just not for the Hawks. I've gone and seen games all year. I am somewhat prepared for the draft as it relates to where the San Antonio Spurs where at [No. 59] and the players we were looking at. My focus changes now with the pick in the first round that the Hawks have in the first round. [The current staff] have done a good job. I will sit in on the process, I will be a part of the process and ultimately will be a big part of making the decision and the things that happen here over the next week.”

Q. What can you bring from San Antonio that can help you here?

“San Antonio, first of all, had a committed ownership. The Holts were fantastic. My conversations with Bruce made me feel comfortable that’s very much where he is and his heart and time and energy are going to go into that going forward. Values-driven; there are good people there. ‘Popp,’ R.C., go down the list of players, that’s a good group of people and ultimately that gives you the best chance to succeed.

“A systematic approach; on the court, the Spurs play a certain way. Hopefully the Hawks will build an identity in that regard even more from where they are now. And then building with the right people in general. The front office, when you look at the people who have come through there—Sam Presti, Rob Hennigan now, R.C. . . .

“‘Popp’ and R.C. have built a good program there and obviously it’s something people are trying to emulate. I had the opportunity to build a program in Cleveland, something I was proud of. We had a lot of success. I’m looking forward to rolling up my sleeves. There are good things here. There are good players. They’ve had a succesful program. This has been a good program but also not something people are satisfied with here.”

Q. Why did you choose here instead of Philly?

“It would have been a great privilege working with Doug Collins. I think he’s a great basketball mind. . . . I got really comfortable with this opportunity as it relates to Bruce. What I get is a great sense of humility but also a sense of intense focus and passion and pride about what can happen here going forward, the resources, the willingness that made me excited about this opportunity.”

Q. This is a team that has been considered good but hasn’t been able to get over the hump. How can you get them there?

“This has been a good team. From the outside looking in, this has been a program that has been right there. I have my opinions from the outside but before I really answer I want to sit down with Rick and Larry. I don’t know all of the behind-the-scenes here. To be able to sit down with the two of those guys and really come up with where they think they are, I will be better able to answer that question. There are some good players. They’ve had some success. That’s one of the things I’m looking forward to.”

Q. What will Rick Sund’s role be?

A. “What we agreed with is let’s work together the next month [through] the draft, free agency, summer league. And really table the discussion until then as far as what he wants and what’s ultimately best for the organization.”

Q. Did you come in here with the expectation that you could make a change with the head coach?

“I look forward to working with Larry. We will have a lot of time together over the next month to really get to know each other. They did a nice job last year as a team. As we get to know each other, hopefully something I can help him with going forward is growing as a coach and he helping me grow as a professional, as well.”

Q. Are there any ‘untouchables’ on the roster?

“I’m here [only] a day. . . . At the end of the day we want to win a championship. At some point we will uncover every stone and look at everything. This group has had a lot of success. It’s a question of, can you go to the next level or are there opportunities? You have got to know what the opportunites are, as well. I think this is a good group of players that has done well.”

Q. This team is in a situation where it’s good but not championship-caliber, yet not bad enough to get high draft picks. With no cap space and lots of committed salaries, how can you improve the team in these circumstances?

“We have our draft choices going forward, first of all. That’s important going forward. We are not encumbered in any way. That being said, the discussions I’ve had with Bruce and the organization have been nothing about players necessarily so far. It’s been more about, ‘Are you willing to do this the right way? Are you willing to invest? There’s a lot of things that we’ll invest in that you won’t see. NBA teams are fragile. The NBA is hard. You invest in all of those things ultimately you put yourself in the best position to succeed. I got comfortable Bruce is in this for the right way and the right reasons and willing to do the things to build the best program to have a chance to succeed and not be fragile and be more successful than average.”

Q. Bruce said you had concerns about this franchise that had to be addressed. What were those concerns? Was it the stability of the ownership? The sale that fell through? The lawsuits they’ve had in the past?

“This organization, Rick has done a good job. It’s had its challenges to deal with: the lawsuit, the sale. That’s a tough thing for a team to deal with. They’ve done a good job, they really, have. From the outside looking in, they’ve been a successful team. I don’t think they are satisfied, and they shouldn’t be. I’m here to build on that success but I knew I need the tools and the ability to be able to build on that. How we build the road map, that’s the stuff we start to dig into now. What are the options? What is the right direction based off of those options? Those are all of the things, I’m fortunate to be able to work with Rick over the next month, hopefully more than that, and get to know Larry over the next month and really dissect what the opportunities are. Look, I’m not walking into this blindly. But [evaluating the roster] is not where my main focus was at the start of this thing.”

Q. Why did you leave Cleveland?

A. “My contract was up. We were on different pages as far as the future. The dynamics of ownership changed on some level. They had five great years in Cleveland. We had the best record the last couple years. We went to the finals. I think we are all proud of what we did. At the end of the day, we didn’t win a championship. That’s disappointing but I’m proud of the program we had there and proud of what we did. Chris [Grant] is the GM there because we did a good job. Lance Blanks, who worked for me, he’s the general manager in Phoenix. Michael Winger is the No. 2 guy in Oklahoma City. We had a good program and good people. We are looking forward to putting together a program here and watching it grow.

“I had a good thing in San Antonio. I would not have made the decision to come here if I didn’t think it was good opportunity and a good challenge. It’s not something that’s going to be built over the first week, it’s not something that’s going to be six months or even the first year. Hopefully over time you will see that we’ve built a program that’s really well run, well-organized and prepared to make the best decision we can make and hopefully make the best decision going forward.”

Q. There is a debate here core about whether it’s time to break up the core of players. Where do you stand on that?

A. “There is going to be debate around every team. There was debate over what to do in San Antonio, there was debate over what to do in Cleveland, there is debate over what to do with the Lakers right now. It’s part of this. At the end of the day we will look at all the possible road maps are there and make decisions and move in a direction and hopefully we do it while building a stronger program than what’s already here. Again, they’ve been pretty good. Teams are trying to get where the hawks have been the last few years. So I have to walk in there with a certain respect for that. I’m looking forward to building on that as many ways as we can.”

Q. Both you and Bruce mentioned analytics as an area in which you want to invest. Some teams have proprietary systems. Would that be something you would bring here?

“We are going to look at everything. But I am allowed to do everything. If that’s something that makes sense and come to them and say this is something I want to do, I’m very confident the answer is going to be yes. We are going to look at everything in how we can get better in the organization and what resources need to help make that happen. I’m very comfortable with Bruce’s commitment to do that.”

Q. How much do you use advanced statistics?

“I think you use everything you can. You throw the kitchen sink at things and then you make a decision.”

Q. Do you think the issue of selling team is off the table?

“I would not have come here if I thought that was an issue and if I didn’t feel comfortable with that. Bruce has made me comfortable that he’s in this for the long haul and he hopes I’m standing next to him 12 years from now.”

Q. Do you anticipate there will be changes on your basketball operations staff?

“I don’t think there is time to think about anything right now other than draft and free agency. I am sure there will be changes. Whether that just means addition or whether that means changes we will have to dig into that. Based on what they tell me that we are going to build more programs, I would think we will have a few more people working for us.”

Q. You said that you will be heavily involved in the draft preparation. Will the pick ultimately be your decision?

“Hopefully we can build consensus over what the right hing is. But ultimately I will be the one that will have to make that decision if we can’t come to a consensus.”

Q. You were already doing draft prep for San Antonio. Will it be a matter of comparing notes with the Hawks’ staff?

“Yeah but, granted, we were preparing for the 50th pick. When Manu [Ginobili] got hurt early in the year we looked at the lottery because we didn’t know what the hell was going to happen. I’ve been out watching college games throughout the year and studied tape and done all of the things that we needed to do to prepare ourselves for the draft. For example, Kawhi Leonard we traded to get that draft pick. We traded to get George Hill.

“Do I know all of the guys that are going to be available at 23 like the back of my hand? No, but I know them pretty well. I will use the next few days to dig into those guys in particular. We will be looking at the whole draft because, who knows, maybe we do something else? We’ll see.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

195 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

June 25th, 2012
9:05 pm

Bigger, longer, and uncut?

j smoove

June 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

Yo ferry …. Send me to the nets

j smoove

June 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

B4 I leave like lebron

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
9:17 pm

We need more picks!!!!!

TMACfan

June 25th, 2012
9:17 pm

Great stuff MC

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

June 25th, 2012
9:19 pm

Uncut excerpts? Is that like Living Dead?

On a side note, I’ve actually been called an oxymoron.

Big Ray

June 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

Hopefully Levenson can be true to that humility and give Gearon a big helping of it as well.

Let Danny Ferry do his thing.

If Ferry is smart, he moves one of the true core, one of the three top players. Has to happen. Gotta change this culture, get the team out of the rut it’s in. Best case scenario is moving Joe somehow. He’s not a hall of famer, not the kind of star you need to get to the promised land. Are we gonna get that star by moving Joe? Not by the move itself. We might have to suffer some, for a while, and get a higher draft pick, get a shot at a real stud. Still no guarantee. But we can’t keep this cart hitched to a trio that includes 1) The highest paid player in the League who also isn’t a top 10 talent, 2) a top 10 “across the board” kind of talent that doesn’t coexist well with the highest paid player in the league, and 3) a guy who doesn’t know if he can stick at Center or needs to move to PF.

The Detroit model is built on something we don’t have. So time to drop that ish.

OH, and Danny? Please have something to say on Larry Drew. I know you’re being all PC right now, but get us a real HC. Please.

DawgNole

June 25th, 2012
9:22 pm

karl
June 24th, 2012
9:03 pm

what do y’all think about dominique wilkins as gm?
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Not much–based strictly on the highly questionable quality of his work as a TV basketball analyst.

O'Brien

June 25th, 2012
9:30 pm

Thanks for the blog MC.

I dont like Ferry’s response as it relates to LD and the job he did last year. But I dont expect him to say anything different, since he is stuck with LD for a year.

Both Mark Bradley and Jeff Schultz like the hire of Ferry. I’m just glad a)It’s not Sund and b) It’s not Pendergraft. I am thrilled that its somebody from the outside, who has no connections to these players and ownership.

I will take a wait and see approach, but I will give Ferry the benefit of the doubt right now.

pointguardslim

June 25th, 2012
9:30 pm

At 50 you get best player available.

At #23 the Hawks have been begging for a center. Please Danny. Festus Ezeli.
And 6′7 Tenesse Tech scoring dynamo Kevin Murphy at #43. Add Marvin to the bench. Resign Kirk and Ivan. Thats your bench with Ezeli hopefully eventually starting. Ezeli CANNOT slip to the Heat.

Start Zaza. Start Horford.
Your point guard is Teague. Your off guard is Johnson. Your 6′8 Lebron lite is Josh Smith.

pointguardslim

June 25th, 2012
9:35 pm

The detroit model is built on something you dont have?

You mean a center? Smith is closer to Tayshaun than Marvin ever will be. Horford is closer to Rasheed than Josh is. No Ben Wallace but hopefully we can over come that with Zaza and Ezeli.

The Detroit model scored 90ppg and held you to 85ppg.
The Atlanta Hawks scored 97ppg and held you to 93ppg.

You have to get a center and focus on defense. Get Ezeli and start Pachulia.

beone

June 25th, 2012
9:38 pm

Sounds like he said all that was reasonable to say given the fact he was just hired. We’ll see.

cp

June 25th, 2012
9:41 pm

I actually liked what he had to say. I lived through BK and Sund so I can give this guy a chance to see what he can do. If the ownership lets him do his job then I have no doubt moves will be made. I just wish they would have hired him a lot earlier. Im even more excited about draft night. I think the Hawks will be making some moves.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
9:47 pm

Danny will construct the proper “road-map” to allow this team to achieve its ultimate goal..

The streak I am glad to predict will be over soon!

Successful corporations use road-maps and then tweak it from there..Sometimes they will throw out the old map and construct a new one to follow..

This is a great day to be a Hawks fan…

I believe something wonderful is about to happen! Ya think?

DawgNole

June 25th, 2012
9:51 pm

northcyde
June 24th, 2012
11:02 pm

. . . as of right now, this team as constructed cannot take out the Miami Heat, or maybe not even Boston . . .
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“Maybe not even Boston”? Maybe??

Did you miss Round 1 of this year’s playoffs (Hawks-Celtics)?

No “maybe” to it.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
9:57 pm

Hey Danny, once you start peeling the layers back you will discover that this past regular season record was just fluff at 40-26..

Larry’s “real’ record against winning teams[.500 and above] over the last two years is 28-47[about 37%] which is just flat out brutal………

Got to fix that asap! If you can find a terrific replacement outside to shore up the 3 spot will significantly make a difference with that lousy record…

Hoops

June 25th, 2012
9:58 pm

Great hire in Danny Ferry!! I think the draft and free agency will be much more successful now!

Luke Cage

June 25th, 2012
10:02 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

Good Luck Danny… you got jobbed in Cleveland where LeBron James and his cast of Akron idiots were really running the show. You just got so hosed. You couldn’t put players around LeBron because the word was out (in the players circles) he wasn’t going to stay there.

You get a 2-3yr pass.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
10:14 pm

Also Danny I would suggest that you hire Denise Vasi as a spokesperson to market The Atlanta Hawks..She works in Atlanta. She’ll be easy to find….LOL!

KevinM

June 25th, 2012
10:14 pm

So going forward, no more Sund and Gearon interviews? This couldn’t have worked out better. The ordeal to once again stand pat just irked me and it’s just wrong to try to convince the fan base that what we have is enough. As we know, it’s not.

I see T-Mac taking a vaca from roundball in Maui….I wonder if he’s going to be a member here next year now that Ferry is in charge. My guess is we will see a shakeup on the bench and more towards shooters.

SA has always had a guy to be able to come off the bench and get big points. Guess where Marvin will be going forward? On the bench. I would like his Hawks streak of games played to stop at 487, but you have to have a match if amnesty is not an option.
Has Ferry ever amnestied a player?

MC, you should be quite busy this offseason following the developments here. Good luck in keeping us all satisfied with this open forum.

So for now, we sit at 23, with a lot of needs IMO.

Re: Josh…it seems like he has the same options as buddy D12. Do these guys have the same agent? Would Dwight consider coming here now that we have a new mindset? You could do some damage IMO with Joe, Jeff and Dwight. Al, Josh and Marvin should be available immediately if you can get any interest from Dwight. A long reach here, but perhaps lots of opinions are going to be different going forward.

No team needs a face of the franchise more than a team that is a huge NBA city.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 25th, 2012
10:16 pm

Uncut? Is he uncircumcized?

steven a smith

June 25th, 2012
10:20 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

June 25th, 2012
9:05 pm

Obviously Poop is the type of guy who sees the glass half empty… Dude needs Tony Robbins motivational tapes,,,GET THEM NOW DAVENPOOP!!!

From an earlier post criticizing the the Ferry hire…

steven a smith

June 25th, 2012
10:22 pm

Short of Jerry West, Danny Ferry is a great hire..Best move that the ownership group has made in years.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
10:24 pm

This new hire for the Hawks may go down as the best one in 18 years!

Ernest

June 25th, 2012
10:25 pm

Thanks for creating a new blog regarding Ferry! It will be interesting to see his span of control with respect to personnel.

DJ

June 25th, 2012
10:28 pm

Can someone please copy and paste John Hollingers insider article about the hiring of Danny Ferry.

steven a smith

June 25th, 2012
10:32 pm

Joe to Utah for Al Jefferson would be a super great move for this organization…
Josh Smith to Portland..Draft Tyler Zeller
Horford to Bobcats……..Draft MK Gilcrest/Meyers Leonard

23rd pick Scott Machado PG Iona.

THE TIME HAS COME TO BLOW UP THIS CORE GROUP OF OVERPAID SCRUBS!!!!!!

KevinM

June 25th, 2012
10:36 pm

Slimjr, let me dash your hopes here for Nicholson to make it to slot 23.
Sounds like Orlando likes the big fella at 19 at worse.

Also, sounds like Nicholson ran circles around Melo in the paint. So perhaps you have a good one there.

And what is the amnesty deadline for this year? Because #24 should be on it if he can’t be moved on draft night. We need to get in early and get us a starter from this lottery. Is Josh worth Houston’s 2 1st rounders? That could get us Terrance Ross for scoring and Nicholson for post play.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
10:48 pm

KevinM, yeah Nicholson may not be as athletic as some but he makes up for it with his very high BBIQ and his foot work is exquisite!

He already is more advanced with the post and perimeter game than any big on the Hawks roster!

His hand eye coordination is remarkable..He is a basketball player at 6′9.5! Man I wish we could get this dude!!! [maybe a knockoff Lebron James without the athleticism?]

Yea he’ll be long gone by the 23rd pick!

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
10:50 pm

Nicholson has Allstar written in his game…..

Hoops

June 25th, 2012
10:55 pm

I believe the Hawks will make a trade to move up in the draft. Either Joe, Josh, or Marvin will be traded. JMO

High-sider

June 25th, 2012
11:02 pm

@Najeh Davenpoop, Grandad, Sautee and others

Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2012
4:13 pm

““Decisions” don’t win NBA championships; “work” (e.g., performance, play, hustle, physical labor, etc.) does.”

Neither “decisions” nor “work” mean as much to winning NBA championships as “talent”.
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The following NBA players had talent: Charles Barkley, Alex English, Ernest “Kiki” Vandeweghe, Patrick Ewing, Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers, Xavier McDaniel, Chris Mullin, Mark Price, George Gervin, Brad Daugherty, Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Patrick Ewing, Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, Pete Maravich, Adrian Dantley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Sidney Moncrief, Terry Cummings, Ricky Pierce, Reggie Miller, Kevin Johnson and others.

But guess what, Najeh? The aforementioned NBA players were never (team) members of an NBA championship team. Winning an NBA championship is a (delicate) mix of decisions, (hard) work/labor, talent, strategy/schematics, opportunity, timing, situation(s) and circumstance(s), etc. Let’s not act like talent and decisions are more important than (hard) work when it comes to “getting it done” or winning an NBA championship. Hard work takes precedent over talent and decisions in this scenario/example.

steven a smith

June 25th, 2012
11:04 pm

PG-Steve Nash/Scott Machado/Jeff Teague
SG-Brandon Roy/2nd rnd pick/Hinrich
SF-Ivan Johnson/T-Mac/Gilbert Arenas
PF- Al Horford/Vlad Rad/Robert Sacre
C-Amare Stoudemeire/Tyler Zeller/Aaron Gray

steven a smith

June 25th, 2012
11:04 pm

PG-Steve Nash/Scott Machado/Jeff Teague
SG-Brandon Roy/2nd rnd pick/Hinrich
SF-Ivan Johnson/T-Mac/Gilbert Arenas
PF- Al Horford/Vlad Rad/Robert Sacre
C-Amare Stoudemeire/Tyler Zeller/Aaron Gray

doc

June 25th, 2012
11:17 pm

slimj, i am so pleased, i will cease and desist to call them the broken atl spirit as this guy has the vision to pull it all back together again. i also hope he can convey what he is doing to the masses and have a good relationship with the press. he has a phenomenal pedigree with a dad as a former hawk and nba gm, is smart and articulate and both a player and a former gm in many organizations. so, maybe he can do it and the fans of atl can come back to a product that they know they can expect certain things from, like excellence, not entertainment and have consistency as a part of it. if coke doesnt taste the same every time then i dont buy it. if players dont make any effort and nothing is done to change that attitude then i am not coming back for more.

if you read between the lines levinson is describing a process where with ferry asking the questions of wtf? there was a base of their own accountability they finally had to take, that they indeed brought this upon themselves. was it that ferry was the messenger telling them from a legit source of how they really looked on the outside. it isnt little nosy jeff schultz of bball wizzard mark asking the questions that really every fan was asking as well and they were so protected by there sycophants they took these things personally and diminished the franchise and disenfranchised their own support fan base with their petty reactions and responses.

we wont have to wait long to see if he can take some action as the draft is just a few days away and i plan on being at the draft party.

i echo o’b and i am sure aj says the same thing, thank you for not delivering up pendergraft for the job. that was my biggest concern we would get once again an unproven product to take us to the promised land because the asg was more comfortable. it seems danny ferry made them uncomfortable enough to get his point across. now let us step back and all of us give him a chance to do his job before we prejudge. not sure if there was anyone out there more capable and we got him.

High-sider

June 25th, 2012
11:21 pm

I feel Josh Smith will be traded. The Atlanta Hawks’ [new] GM, Danny Ferry, doesn’t want another “[The] Decision [Part] II” on his [Ferry's] hands. I really hate the sound of that – Atlanta Hawks GM Danny Ferry – however, that hatred will cease if he [Ferry] [re-]signs Jamal Crawford. [LOL]

Ronnie

June 25th, 2012
11:27 pm

John Hollinger just did a column about it and he loves the hire.

Which say a lot because he pretty much hates everything about the Hawks.

Sugar Ray

June 25th, 2012
11:39 pm

“What have Matt Ryan and Michael Turner shown you that Josh Smith and Joe Johnson haven’t?” – Najeh

That won’t insult the home fans and actually want to be here (no trade demands).

You seem to give a lot of credit to the Hawks for progress, which is fine, but you almost ignore the Falcons’ progress from drafting 3rd overall. Is this a Vick thing?

Sugar Ray

June 25th, 2012
11:40 pm

“What have Matt Ryan and Michael Turner shown you that Josh Smith and Joe Johnson haven’t?” – Najeh

That they won’t insult the home fans and actually want to be here (no trade demands).

You seem to give a lot of credit to the Hawks for progress, which is fine, but you almost ignore the Falcons’ progress from drafting 3rd overall. Is this a Vick thing?

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
11:42 pm

doc,

somebody got through that “wall” of delusion those 7[BASG] threw up and apparently help them come too their senses and did something we did not think they were capable of doing! What a pleasant surprise for us long suffering Hawks fans? Yes? If Danny that had that type of effect on the delusional 7[BASG] than I’m even more impressed with him being here..

Yes doc I agree with you that it will not take long for Danny to reveal his map..Because next week the show will begin with the deepest draft in possibly 10 years begins in full force! This maybe the beginning of our new look Hawks? Wow this is an amazing day? I have been smiling all day! LOL!

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
11:45 pm

Hey doc here comes the heat! The weather channel is predicting 101 degrees Friday and Saturday in Atlanta! Dayum…….

doc

June 25th, 2012
11:47 pm

slimj, not bad for a knick fan. ;-)

i hope you and i can keep smiling. first let us start with true respectability, then the players, wins and hopefully championships or true runs to get there.

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
11:48 pm

[do something] ^^^^^

[delete the first "that"]^^^^^

I need to proof read my ish!!!!!!

Michael Cunningham

June 25th, 2012
11:51 pm

@KevinM: “MC, you should be quite busy this offseason following the developments here. Good luck in keeping us all satisfied with this open forum.”

my blog people can’t get enough, but i understand.

tjhook

June 25th, 2012
11:51 pm

The “Detroit model” had Chauncey Billups at point guard, a leader! The Pistons were in the Eastern Conference Finals for like five straight years. Once they traded their leader for talent (Allen Iverson), they went straight to the crapper. The Hawks have talent, they need an on court talent. Andre Miller, please!!

Slimjr

June 25th, 2012
11:51 pm

“i hope you and i can keep smiling. first let us start with true respectability, then the players, wins and hopefully championships or true runs to get there.” -doc-

Preach, Choir, Tabernacle! Hehehe

Michael Cunningham

June 25th, 2012
11:53 pm

@DJ: “Can someone please copy and paste John Hollingers insider article about the hiring of Danny Ferry.”

please don’t do this, blog people. i’ve got to respect paywalls or else all us writers will be arse out.

Rufus1

June 25th, 2012
11:54 pm

This hire means Josh is Goooooone!

Al is the purest definitions of a Spurs player…..and Josh, not so much.

Ferry was raised in a world where the little things matters…Like turnovers, bad shots and attitude(willing to sacrifice your game for team success)

Spurs free agents that fit the Hawks..Cheap SF
James Anderson
Danny Green

JustSayinB

June 25th, 2012
11:55 pm

Like in the movie “Players Club”, do something to make me happy.

Grandad

June 25th, 2012
11:56 pm

High-Sider

You are just babbling incoherent nonsense.

I do not even know how to respond to your post.

Was there a question, a statement, some sort of theory, what ?

Also, you are attempting to change the discourse;
originally, it was all about black players vs white management.

I`m not gonna let you off the hook
by allowing you to change the argument.

You said black players were the labor,
and therefore management; being white [Hebrew] Jewish et al,
had little to do with success and the winning of Champiuonships !
* [paraphrased]

Now stick to your thesis.
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This is a Great day for the Hawks.

H-S; do not spoil it with your hypocritical manure.

Wink

June 25th, 2012
11:59 pm

No surprise in the answers given by Ferry. The telling one was in regards to the core and he just kept saying they have done pretty good and he want to help them grow from there. Which probably means the ASG may have already slipped him the Kool Aid! Sound like the Core Survives as I suspected for at least two years!

The first year is observation, should they go second round, then a year of tweaking talk, while the contracts run out….so two years of the same, which is the same formula used by Sund when he came to the job!!!!!!

Tootsi

June 26th, 2012
12:00 am

MC,

Any idea why it seems as though only Levenson was involved? Ferry never referred to Gearon during the presser and I’m wondering if there’s any reason behind that as Gearon has been the basketball guy while Levenson was the hockey guy. Have they finally realized that nothing good comes from Gearon opening his mouth, or is there some larger issue at work?

Grandad

June 26th, 2012
12:04 am

Slimjr

ORL is strong on Harkless

You -&- I are the A.N. fan club //// keep the faith

Think McHale and or Dream Shake on his footwork.
* [No - I`m not saying he is gonna be a Hall 0` Famer]

Slimmer – be hopeful for Harkless as well ! … [tradin` up]

Melvin

June 26th, 2012
12:21 am

MC,

Did you get a feel from your interview with Ferry that he will shake up this core this summer?

High-sider

June 26th, 2012
12:45 am

@Sautee

Sautee
June 25th, 2012
5:12 pm

“Many NBA experts and analysts have said that LeBron James (essentially) took a bad Cavs team to the ‘07 NBA Finals and I agree with them on this particular assessment. ”

That team was 5th in the league in defensive points allowed. In the playoffs they were 1st.

Do you think LeBron covered all 5 players of the opposition? LMFAO.
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Yeah, I think he [LeBron James] covered his man [opponent] and helped his teammates with their defensive coverage[s] on their [four] opponents. He [LeBron James] does just about “everything” on the [basketball] court anyways. Except for LeBron James, who [else] on that ‘06-’07 Cavs [NBA Finals] team had “championship moxie”? Larry Hughes? Zydrunas Ilgauskas? Drew Gooden? Sasha Pavlovic? Donyell Marshall? Anderson Varejao? Damon Jones? Daniel Gibson? Eric Snow? Get real. Like I said earlier, that ‘06-’07 Cavs team didn’t really have a legitimate No. 2 scoring option and none of LBJ’s teammates could come close to matching his [LBJ's] individual contribution[s] to the team. LeBron James did the “lion’s share” of the work on that ‘06-’07 Cavs team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html

Ronnie

June 26th, 2012
1:18 am

High-Sider,

Cleveland wasn’t (isn’t) exactly an attractive market even when they were dominating the East. And this was before the “let’s team up!” mentality of today’s players really began. So to suggest that ll of these free agents were running to play there, or to trash Ferry because he didn’t bring them in, is a little misguided. The fact of the matter is, those Cavs teams with one superstar accomplished more in 5 years than these Hawks have in 40 years. When Ferry walked in the door in Cleveland, they were coming off a 42-40 season of missing the playoffs, so no high draft picks to add another young star like Seattle/OKC did. Two years later, they were in the Finals and had one of the deepest rotations in the league.

High-sider

June 26th, 2012
1:52 am

@Grandad [and Buddy Grizzard]

“…Perhaps you have no understanding of the concept of Team.
-Why-
`Tis where human beings come together and work for the greater good.

I Corinthians 1:10;
‘`I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that all of you agree with one another
so that there may be no divisions among you
and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought`’
-The Apostle Paul-

May I ask you sir;
do only black basketball players enter heaven ?
-or-
just black people in general ?
-also-
I have asked this before:
Do we – white folks – get to claim Shane Battier ?
Yawl can have Bibby ?
How about Joakim Noah ?
I seriously do not know about Blake Griffin ?
Then there`s Miles Plumlee; I mean look at how high he jumped ?” – Grandad @5:21pm dated 6/25/2012

Are you, Grandad, accusing me of being divisive? I, High-sider, did not set up Jim Crow, “white only, ‘colored’ only,” segregation/apartheid and “sitting in the back of the bus.” I, High-sider, never killed, murdered, lynched, firebombed, enslaved, disenfranchised, and/or dragged a white person because he or she is/was [a] white [person]. I, High-sider, have never refused to employ/hire, promote, or “give an opportunity” to a white person because he or she is/was a white person.

Did you read that same scripture [I Gal. 1:10] to your white brethren in those white segregated churches in the past, to Ku Klux Klansmen and to White Citizens’ Counselors? Who is/are the real divider[s] and who is/are the real unifier[s]? Do you know of the story of the “Tuskegee Airmen”? Where was the (black/white) teamwork in that (military) situation/scenario/action?

I am not God so I don’t know who will be permitted into heaven? That was a silly and foolish question on your behalf and I’m sure you meant to be silly and foolish. And you can “claim” whomever you like [to be a part of the white race] but, first, you might want to ask “those [people]” who you are “claiming” if they will “claim” you and your [white] race. Out of curiosity, have you [Grandad] ever asked or petitioned your local, county, state and/or federal government to allow you and others to “claim” mulatto, biracial, biethnic, mixed-race and/or multiracial individuals/people for the white race? What was your stance/opinion during the “one-drop rule” era/debate/phenomenon? Grandad, don’t put this (racism/white supremacy) back on me because I’m able to “call it like I see it” (for what it is).

THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE

June 26th, 2012
2:04 am

THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE

June 26th, 2012
2:10 am

“Promises” Will I be alive to see a Brave,Hawks,or Falcons CHAMPIONSHIP……

THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE

June 26th, 2012
2:29 am

@ Ronnie this is true, He put a solid group around Lebron,but he also had one owner with deep pockets and not a collection of misfits that operate on the cheap. Wait a minute did he just say “CORE” Dirty word around these parts.

Great another yr of Marvin and Joe Camel….Its almost like a bad dream.

If Ferry can get rid of those two for servicable peices and sumhow can LD……”The crowd goes wild”

Get a competent coach. Look what Doug Collins did this yr with a collection of roll players. This Nichols kid is growing on me -He is Vinn Baker like…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g76Yn457_Vg&feature=player_detailpage

Insomniacs Theatre ….I sure could use sum cheese cake from Fridays…

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
2:34 am

“Obviously Poop is the type of guy who sees the glass half empty… Dude needs Tony Robbins motivational tapes,,,GET THEM NOW DAVENPOOP!!!

From an earlier post criticizing the the Ferry hire…”

I don’t think the glass is half full or half empty. I just see that half the glass either does or doesn’t have something in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3CSDvxHO1M

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
2:39 am

“The following NBA players had talent: Charles Barkley, Alex English, Ernest “Kiki” Vandeweghe, Patrick Ewing, Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers, Xavier McDaniel, Chris Mullin, Mark Price, George Gervin, Brad Daugherty, Mitch Richmond, Tim Hardaway, Patrick Ewing, Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, Pete Maravich, Adrian Dantley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Sidney Moncrief, Terry Cummings, Ricky Pierce, Reggie Miller, Kevin Johnson and others.

But guess what, Najeh? The aforementioned NBA players were never (team) members of an NBA championship team. Winning an NBA championship is a (delicate) mix of decisions, (hard) work/labor, talent, strategy/schematics, opportunity, timing, situation(s) and circumstance(s), etc. Let’s not act like talent and decisions are more important than (hard) work when it comes to “getting it done” or winning an NBA championship. Hard work takes precedent over talent and decisions in this scenario/example.”

If I had an objective way to quantify how much every player worked, I could show you a list 100 times longer of players who worked their asses off and never won a ring. Many of them might even be on that list above. In fact, off the top of my head, I wouldn’t be surprised if half those players you mentioned worked harder than Shaq ever did, and yet Shaq retired with four rings.

Everyone who makes the NBA works hard. You can’t make it to the elite level in any profession without hard work. But once you get there, talent trumps all. Every player on the Hawks’ roster can work their asses off 24 hours a day and they will still never be as good as LeBron.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 26th, 2012
2:40 am

I’m sold on Festus Ezeli. He’s the next Mutombo. Protecting the rim has been a problem for a while and we need someone that is defensive minded.

THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE

June 26th, 2012
2:43 am

Highsider you are in rare form LMAO…. Shane Battier is the whitest black guy in America…..Well next to Brian Gumble. Bibby-Blake ??? No Clue.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
2:48 am

“You seem to give a lot of credit to the Hawks for progress, which is fine, but you almost ignore the Falcons’ progress from drafting 3rd overall. Is this a Vick thing?”

This is the typical response of Falcons Kool-Aid drinkers who encounter anyone who isn’t getting on their knees for everything Dimitroff does. “Is this a Vick thing?” Anyone who isn’t worshipping at the altar of Dimitroff must be reminiscing about Vick, right? No, it is a factual assessment.

Of course the Falcons deserve credit for their progress from drafting 3rd overall. To get from drafting 3rd overall in 2008 to making the playoffs in 2008 is remarkable. The problem is that they are in the exact same position in which they found themselves after losing to Arizona that same season. You know, kind of like how the Hawks taking the Celtics to 7 games in the first round in 2008 is remarkable, if not for the fact that they just finished taking the Celtics to 6 games in the first round four years later with only two second-round playoff game victories to show for it.

Dimitroff is still living off the rep that his first season got him. Since then the Falcons have not improved at all. You really could say that about Matt Ryan too. And for some reason, Falcons fans are totally content with it. It makes absolutely no sense.

High-sider

June 26th, 2012
3:24 am

@Najeh Davenpoop

“…Everyone who makes the NBA works hard. You can’t make it to the elite level in any profession without hard work. But once you get there, talent trumps all. Every player on the Hawks’ roster can work their asses off 24 hours a day and they will still never be as good as LeBron.” – Najeh Davenpoop @2:39am dated 6/26/2012

LeBron James won the NBA’s MVP Award twice (’08-’09 and ‘09-’10) as a member of the Cleveland Cavaliers but the Cavaliers (in those years that LeBron James won the MVP Award) did not even make it to the NBA Finals. Why didn’t his (LBJ’s) “talent trump all” during his MVP years with the Cavs and carry the Cavs to an NBA championship? Talent is important but (more so) a player or team has to “put in (the) work” to win a(n NBA) championship. A less talented player or team can “outwork” and defeat a more talented player or team. “Outworking your opponent” can or may mean working harder, smarter, or more efficiently than your opponent.

High-sider

June 26th, 2012
3:43 am

@THE IMMORTAL…I MUS WRITE

“…Shane Battier is the whitest black guy in America…..Well next to Brian Gumble…” – THE IMMORTAL…I MUS WRITE, June 26th, 2012 @2:43 am

Is he (Shane Battier) whiter than (the self-proclaimed “Cablinasian”) Eldrick Tont “Tiger” Woods? (Remember the “one-drop rule.”)
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@donte080

“…He traded for Jamal Crawford, which was unarguably a good move…” – donte080 @5:00pm dated 6/25/2012

As much as you have criticized and ridiculed Jamal Crawford, I can’t believe you (donte080) actually wrote that the Hawks acquiring Jamal Crawford via trade was “a good move.”

northcyde

June 26th, 2012
3:44 am

Q. How much do you use advanced statistics?

“I think you use everything you can. You throw the kitchen sink at things and then you make a decision.”

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Thank you Ferry. Please look at everything.

This dude sounds to be thorough in how he approaches his job. That’s exactly what we need around here. Someone who will go over things with a fine tooth comb, to see what pieces we need, and what moves we can make to be a better ballclub.

Ferry isn’t afraid to take risks, so hopefully Levenson and Co. will let him run the show.

And speaking of Levenson, I’m glad he was the “point man” in this deal. He seems like the more level-headed guy amongst the ownership group. Gearon Jr is way too emotional and unstable to be making the big time decisions around here. Let the GM do his job, and you just “own”. If you don’t like what the GM does, then you fire or replace him.

AG

June 26th, 2012
7:22 am

“Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard”

Only one team will win the championship next season. Should OKC blow up there squad since they fell short? It is crazy for everyone to say trade Josh for a couple of draft picks. I say build around your strongest players and fill in with role players.

The Hawks have tried to destroy the team twice.. both with bad results. Getting rid of Mutumbo, Steve Smith, Mookie, losing in the 2nd round 31-19 record etc..how did that work? Yet, the biggest difference is that team was very old. Then they added draft picks Roshown McCloud, Cal Bowdler, Dion Glover and a mix of vets Bimbo Coles, Jimmy Jackson…

Then, we drafted JT,Dan Dickau obtain Shareef, Toni Kukoc etc… and improved slightly – but never to a point of being a playoff team.. then KA BOOM!!

The new model of drafting and picking up key free-agents (4 of 5 starters were draft picks)- may have even worked better with better decisions drafting i.e. Benson,Pape Sy, Sheldon Williams & Marvin Williams.

My point – and I guess I am sounding like Rick Sund – I really enjoy going to the area with the ability to win EVERY night! First move, sign Josh to long term deal – sign and trade Hinrich – then acquire some long range shooters and defensive specialist i.e Matt Barnes, Petrious, etc.

romelo X

June 26th, 2012
7:29 am

Enter your comments here

E. LOVE

June 26th, 2012
7:31 am

GET BOLD!!!!!! BRANDON ROY is available. Make him a HAWK NOW

romelo X

June 26th, 2012
7:32 am

My opinion on Ferry is its a great hire compared to what we had, plus I think we should move ISO Joe along with horford for bynum

Blah Blah Blah

June 26th, 2012
7:41 am

Did Ferry answer a single question directly? All of his answers were a bunch of hot air BS. I do like that he didn’t definitely say Drew will remain the coach. Get Sloan or SVG.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
7:44 am

@ Big Ray

Thank you for your post on the first page we need to get rid of Joe Johnson well Marvin too, but that contract got to go the only way we’re getting the premium players is if Joe and his contract hit the road.

Someone like Hoston might be willing to trade their draft picks and we could have Kevin Martin as well plus a guy like Dalembert.

Blah Blah Blah

June 26th, 2012
7:56 am

BTW, Romelo X, that is the dumbest post in the history of a Hawks message board. I’m all for dumping JJ’s contract, but trading him and Horford for Bynum? You are an idiot.

Just Joe

June 26th, 2012
8:02 am

Will Ferry be a fan of Ivan Johnson? See his comment above about being “professional on the court”.

HAWKLESS

June 26th, 2012
8:03 am

Ferry is a good hire for the Hawks but again they do things completely backward. They should never have picked up the option on LD if they were going to make this kind of change. Now if the Hawks get started very slow next season and they have to fire LD in mid season then we will have another wasted season.

justahawkfan

June 26th, 2012
8:20 am

Everyone love Danny now. Let see how long it will be before you start hating. It’s gonna happen.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
8:20 am

@ Just Joe

Maybe not I like Ivan a lot as well, but he’s that type of player that needs to be reeled in by someone like Boston or Spurs that can put him in his place sometimes players need to be around organizations like those.

I still hope he stays he’s become a mini favorite of mine especially earlier in the season.

Geemack

June 26th, 2012
8:23 am

The real reasons the Spurs and Cavs were successful were Duncan & LeBron. I don’t see neither one on this roster.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
8:35 am

@ HAWKLESS

Who knows if L.D does get fired and they replace him with a quality coach like Jerry Sloan who knows what the team could accomplish.

Funny thing is With the past two GM’s Rick Sund and Billy Knight they were pretty much the worse Rick Sund is better than BK, but not by much.

With this coaching stuff L.D was worse than Woodson(yes I said it) if I would have known it was going to be L.D that got the H.C job why not let Woodson stay here for another 2 years. It would have been one thing if L.D was a H.C on another team, or even a assistant on a championship/WCF/ECF bound team then I’d understand.

So here’s hoping that Ferry if he does fire L.D sometime next season he’ll pick up a quality coach, and honestly Jerry Sloan is my pick.

falCans

June 26th, 2012
9:12 am

GREAT HIRE UNLESS HE TRADES JOSH!!! THEN ALL BETS ARE OFF

doc

June 26th, 2012
9:22 am

ray:

With this coaching stuff L.D was worse than Woodson(yes I said it) if I would have known it was going to be L.D that got the H.C job why not let Woodson stay here for another 2 years.

simple answer, i dont think woody would have taken a 75% pay cut or more down to the level of ld. do you? ld got a lot more milage out of this team at his pay scale or .8 to 1 mil year than any coach in the nba is my guess. thibs and brooks might rival it but i think they get more a standard pay scale for nba coaches. woody was hauling in about 4 mi a year. i really think he would have blown a gasket at a pay cut to say 3 mil much less .8 mil.

folks seem to overlook where the franchise has been a long time, on the sales block. reality is teams or business’ like that dont do many capital expenditures to rebuild or renew their product. so we got sund and ld for a combined 2 mil a year max. i think ferry will take that much home alone if not more.

the hire does speak more for stability than we have had since jj was hired and the asg became the basg in court legally as well as on the court in the nba. the costs for that are huge.

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
9:26 am

The other thing I thought about is that Ferry had Chris Grant (current Cavs GM) on his staff in Cleveland. Hopefully, that is a sign that he knows how to find competent people to place around him.

I also wonder if Levinson is (or has) purchased a larger share of the Hawks. Again, I find it interesting that he made this happen and it gives me a little hope (which will surely be smashed) that he gets it where Gearon did not. But Bruce (I think) was the primary owner in charge of the Thrashers and we know how that turned out. Maybe he leraned his lesson. A 6-year contract seems like a very big-boy organization thing to do.

[...] won’t. Reason why we’re running this, an excerpt from the transcript of Ferry’s Monday introduction speech to the Atlanta media. Q. Why did you choose here instead of [...]

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
9:42 am

doc, I agree. Ferry may fail miserably (although I doubt it) but I think this is the first clear sign of big-boy basketball operations since we added Joe Johnson in 2005. The other big move was traded Shelden and scraps for Bibby… that was a big-time move. In both cases, the team added needed stability. Those moves did not rersult in an ECF appearance, but it got us out of those discussions about which lottery candidate would help turn the team around. This Ferry hire brings even more stability becuase it is at the top. The other thing, Ferry was actually “selling” the franchise. Not just the players but also the owners. Did Sund ever do that, if so, I don’t remember. It all feels like a seismic shift from the top. IMO, the roster composition in October/November won’t be nearly as important as the cultural change that will be initiated this summer.

O'Brien

June 26th, 2012
9:53 am

From espn.com;

The Hawks don’t have any depth behind point guard Jeff Teague. Sources say that, in the past few weeks, they’ve become enamored with Wroten. His shot is broken and he can be wild, but he has enormous upside as a big point guard who can see the floor and get to the rim..

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
9:55 am

Interesting article on Wroten (maybe is does have a defined skill set… defense & passing).

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jun/26/huskies-wroten-intrigues-grizzlies/?partner=RSS

DawgNole

June 26th, 2012
9:55 am

Najeh Davenpoop
June 25th, 2012
8:34 pm

“If Dimitroff left the Falcons today, the team is in a much better place than it was when he took the job.”

So? All that means is that they were in a terrible place before he took the job. Why is everyone so quick to accept playoff futility with the Falcons? Were we all singing kumbaya when the Hawks got swept by the Magic? No, so why are we singing kumbaya when the Falcons get embarrassed — not just beat, but embarrassed — by the Packers and Giants in consecutive seasons?

This is the standard pro-Dimitroff line: “The Falcons sucked for 40 years, never won back to back seasons, and now they win every year.” Big f-cking deal. The Hawks have also sucked for 40 years and now they win every year. We are not satisfied, nor should we be. Why are we satisfied with the Falcons? Because of some intangible hope that one day their “core” will become championship-caliber? What have Matt Ryan and Michael Turner shown you that Josh Smith and Joe Johnson haven’t?
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From a previous blog, yeah, but it bears repeating because it goes to the heart of why this city has so seldom (only once) achieved pro sports championship status; i.e., too much satisfaction (even happiness) with mediocrity.

As far as Ferry, I share the wait-and-see view of many others on here. Let’s give him a shot before we condemn him. He’s been closely associated with 60-game winners and Finals participants–something the Hawks have NEVER come close to being–so he can’t be all bad. And like others, I’m just relieved to see the Hawks do SOMETHING that at least on its surface APPEARS to be a positive first step–as opposed to simply rehiring the mundane Sund and maintaining the status quo.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
9:58 am

@ O’Brien

All I can say is OH BOY

There are PG’s we can get from the FA market right now we need Center help and the big man out of Vandy is a good value at #23 I like him a lot more than Fab Melo that’s for sure.

Wasting a draft pick on Wroten will be another big mistake by ASG.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
10:01 am

DraftExpress

Got us taking Fab Melo and then Andrew is right behind going with the Cavs ASG do the right thing draft Nicholson damnit or the C out of Vandy.

According to them Tony Wroten is a second round draft pick if that’s the case just trade up in the second round in fact send Marvin for Clevelands two second round draft picks darn it.

O'Brien

June 26th, 2012
10:05 am

There have been rumors about Josh wanting to leave, and although he has not admitted to it, he also has not come out and denied it.

I think when Ferry talks to him, he will be asked about his desire to be apart of the team going forward (not just this year). And if Josh’s response is “I will play out my contract and go from there”, I will not be surprised to see Ferry start looking at trade options for Josh.

Also, I think they should amnesty Marvin Williams. Ferry is coming from the Spurs, and they made 2 mistakes on Richard Jefferson. 1) when they traded for him and 2) they gave him a new deal. Ownership realized it wasn’t working, so they used the amnesty to get rid of him, despite being owed $30 mil, and it brought them under the luxury tax.

We made 2 mistakes with Marvin. 1)Drafting him #2 and 2)Giving him the contract they did. However, he is only owed $15 mil, and is the best candidate to be amnestied (I don’t see us using it on JJ). Plus I think another team would pick Marvin up for $2-$3 mil, so Hawks would only be responsible for $4.5 – $5.5 mil each year

Would Ferry try and convince owners to let Marvin go? It would give us slightly more room under the luxury tax. Or will he be impressed by Marvin’s good game in the playoffs, and would the owners even be willing to throw away $10 mil, and still have to pay his replacement.

Jay Dubu

June 26th, 2012
10:09 am

No one on the Hawks roster is going the amnesty route. That means paying out millions for a player to “NOT” play for you. Unless you have cash to burn, and the Hawks don’t, it’s not even a discussion.

Ferry spoke a lot about programs, and putting them in place. That sounds like foudational structure for the organization.

Next season will be LD’s audition to find a job somewhere else. Because Sund has already agred to pay him, he stays this year. Don’t know about Josh. It would be nice to have him work with a coach that has vision and will hold him accountable. Could really be all he needs to vault him to the superstar player that the Hawks need in order to win.

Josh is the Hawks best talent, and has been for several years, but he needs a coach that can help him play the game smarter, to put him in a system that he can thrive and prosper in.

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
10:10 am

Here’s my summary of Hollinger’s insider article… Joe’s contract will make it hard to make big roster changes; Josh wants to go and has trade value; ownership previously wanted to keep thing afloat and give a new owner the responsibility of blowing it up and making major front office moves, the Ferry signing suggests they at least are willing to start the process themselves; Ferry’s 6-year deal suggests he wants to have a chance to blow it up and rebuild it; LD is vulnerable as incumbent head coach with new boss; Hawks have little money to fill 7 roster spots; Ferry hiring was overall a good move by the Hawks.

So a lot that we’ve discussed here before… nothing really new to local diehards.

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
10:16 am

I think you use amnesty to get a core player and not bench depth. If the Hawks use amnesty this summer, it should result in signing a player to a 3-4 year contract… a top 6 roster kind of player. I don’t want them to use amnesty just to sign 2 $2M players to a 1-2 year deal. Amnesty is a one shot deal, don’t use it to simply get rid of a player, use with a purposeful intent to get a player.

Jae Evolution

June 26th, 2012
10:19 am

Chase Budinger to Minn for the 18th pick. We couldn’t of shipped Marvin away for that pick? Damn.

MsDee

June 26th, 2012
10:25 am

OB, “Would Ferry try and convince owners to let Marvin go?”

Dont think ASG would have a choice considering the fact that Ferry has the authority now to make that kind of decision. Yes, he would bring it to their attention, but after making all the sense in the world to move him, I cant see the ASG stepping on his toes from keeping him from amnesty Marvin esp if no one wants him via trade.

glw

June 26th, 2012
10:30 am

@O’Brien,

I think the Spurs didnt amnesty him, but traded Jefferson and got Captain Jack in return. but yeah your point is valid, they made 2 mistakes with Jefferson, but that didnt stop them from ridding themselves of their mistake. I have less confidence in the hawks doing that, I dont think they want to pay anyone not to play. I think its more idealistic that they would make a trade for Marvin.

Michael Cunningham

June 26th, 2012
10:39 am

@ Tootsi:

“MC,

Any idea why it seems as though only Levenson was involved? Ferry never referred to Gearon during the presser and I’m wondering if there’s any reason behind that as Gearon has been the basketball guy while Levenson was the hockey guy. Have they finally realized that nothing good comes from Gearon opening his mouth, or is there some larger issue at work?”

Ferry says he talked to Gearon and Co. a few weeks back. it sounds as if Levenson was the front man for this. as for yesterday, Gearon was out of the country on a family vacation.

Sugar Ray

June 26th, 2012
10:39 am

“Dimitroff is still living off the rep that his first season got him. Since then the Falcons have not improved at all.”

I’ll give you the first sentence. You seem upset at my Vick comment, I only asked because it seems like every single person I’ve talked to who turned on the Falcons are the upset Vick fans. They will never accept Ryan because he is not Vick. I believe the Hawks and Falcons are on the same level, so I don’t bash either team more than the other. Fans should only focus on championships, which I why I think fans of both teams should stop overrating “fan favorites” past and present if they didn’t bring the city a parade down Peachtree. None of these guys have done anything… Vick, Ryan, Nique, Josh… no trophies in those cases. People in other cities would laugh if someone started bragging about them or acting as if they were all world and untouchable.

Michael Cunningham

June 26th, 2012
10:40 am

@ Melvin: “MC,

Did you get a feel from your interview with Ferry that he will shake up this core this summer?”

he didn’t have much to say about the roster. but my general understanding was that a new GM would mean it’s more likely there will be major changes.

STRETCH

June 26th, 2012
10:45 am

MC,

I know you dont have much say so about moves like the rest of us, but what would YOU like to see the Hawks do as far as personel?

glw

June 26th, 2012
10:46 am

@Jae Evolution,

Yeah they gave up the 18th pick for Chase Budinger, and while he and Marvin have similar stats, there is one big difference, Budinger has a team option for less than a million, a rotational player who makes less than a million is a HUGE asset. Marvin makes 9 times what he makes and gives about the same numbers. So Marvin is not bringing anything back but another bad contract, I am not sure marvin can be traded for a 2nd round pick, why would a team take on 15 million for 2 years for a rotational player at best? Marvin is either amnestied (which would suprised the hell out of me), or traded for another bad contract or the Hawks would have to package another asset with marvin, like a future 1st rd pick or something.

UGA

June 26th, 2012
10:49 am

MC:

If the Hawks use their mid-level or bi-annual exception does that put them into the tax?

Melvin

June 26th, 2012
10:50 am

After this morning trade with Minny, Houston now has 3 first round picks. I think they may have bigger deal in place for some or all of this picks. Dwight and Josh, hmmmmm

THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE

June 26th, 2012
11:05 am

Grandad the girls at Strokers said they miss you…….Cinnamon and Six Two say u are a wild bot. I guess they miss that social security money on the first…” I make it rain in dis _ytch”

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
11:14 am

Melvin, yep, someone called Josh “Dwight bait”.

Budinger makes less than $1M, so Minnesota clearly was looking for a SF with very little salary.

THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE

June 26th, 2012
11:15 am

High-sider

June 26th, 2012
3:43 am
@THE IMMORTAL…I MUS WRITE

“…Shane Battier is the whitest black guy in America…..Well next to Brian Gumble…” – THE IMMORTAL…I MUS WRITE, June 26th, 2012 @2:43 am

Is he (Shane Battier) whiter than (the self-proclaimed “Cablinasian”) Eldrick Tont “Tiger” Woods? (Remember the “one-drop rule.”)

-…….Without a doubt.-Tyger Woods is an Act, the man hates the black part of him so much he will do whatever to denounce it …IE- WTF is Carmalasian/ Cabalasian. He single handedly created a new box for the census forms. When I see Tyger I see a black man and so does the rest of the world…..Had he been hanging with me -I would have got him some dimes for half what he was paying those _kanks….. Really billion dollar boy …A waitress was the best you can do- Those women with the exception of one or two were just Ehhhh…..
Shane on the other hand Shane is just Shane its not an act with dude he is who he is..with that said I sure would like to party with him -I’ll bet women of all races are throwing their panties at dude….Kind like Prince and Lenny Kravitz

Melvin

June 26th, 2012
11:21 am

Astro,

I would prefer that “Dwight Bait” be used to bring him to ATL but I don’t expect you to agree with that…:-)

THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE

June 26th, 2012
11:24 am

O’Brien

June 26th, 2012
10:05 am
There have been rumors about Josh wanting to leave, and although he has not admitted to it, he also has not come out and denied it.

I think when Ferry talks to him, he will be asked about his desire to be apart of the team going forward (not just this year). And if Josh’s response is “I will play out my contract and go from there”, I will not be surprised to see Ferry start looking at trade options for Josh.

…I could easily see this happening and if it does we will then know that Ferry has free reign to do what it takes to improve this team.

Avery Bradley/Bass/2nd for Josh/2013 2nd

Brook Lopez 1st or 2nd for Josh

Paul George/1st for Josh

Rufus1

June 26th, 2012
11:29 am

Marc Stein: Trade story add: Dwight obviously Rockets’ dream target but sources say they’ll pursue Atlanta’s Josh Smith (and others) if ORL won’t budge Twitter

Just Joe

June 26th, 2012
11:29 am

Marc Stein is reporting that Houston will pursue Josh Smith if Orlando doesn’t bite on Howard offer.

I think Houston has enough assets to get both. Lowry. Dalembert’s partially guaranteed deal. Cap space. Rights to DMont. Kevin Martin. 3 first round picks. Patterson, Morris, and Parsons. Some even consider Scola an asset.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
11:32 am

Again I say we can do so much better than a 1 player 1 pick for Josh seriously.

Example 4 picks from Cavs this year plus 1 for next round(1st round not 2nd) plus 3 players

I’m not saying deal him to the Cavs, but just saying people undervalue his true value once Josh lands on another team(hopefully not) he’ll change that team the moment they get there in my example if Josh goes back to the Cavs they become an instant playoff team or at least playoff bound with him. Depending on pieces put around him and Irving that might even be better than the hawks cause they got us on the PG position(no offense to Teague).

That’s only an example I’m not condoning a trade for Josh to Cavs though.

doc

June 26th, 2012
11:33 am

aj good point and ferry sales ability and what that can or will do to get folks coming here. i dont think sund didnt do it but was less articulate. bk preferred to not talk at all. again, i hope part of his build out is to have a transparent plan, convey it to get fan buy in and then execute. that would be huge.

also aj, to put in context, the problem with the bibby trade was it cost a lot of money to cover up bk’s mistakes and/or arrogance. this is a positive move instead of a cover-up without significant costs. i am still not too sure if one more year in the lottery, if that was where we fell, wouldnt have been a lesser cost and maybe even a good thing instead of paying bibby so much and restricting cash for other needs. the end deal hurt us dramatically as well. i prefer not to put bibby in too good a light though it wasnt his fault what they paid him while he was here and what they paid up to get rid of him; anymore than it is marvin’s fault he was chosen so high and given a gift of a contract he didnt have to negotiate one iota as a rfa. this is a whole lot better expenditure and how the next choice of coach will be equally interesting, a beginner model or one with no training wheels attached.

Mike

June 26th, 2012
11:36 am

Plus they can throw in future picks if need it. I think Danny Ferry first thing that he is doing is talking to Josh right now to see what is his plans.

MsDee

June 26th, 2012
11:36 am

Just curious, someone explain to me how getting both Josh AND Dwight is a good idea for the Rockets if both contracts are up after next season? Do they really think both Josh and Dwight will sign an extension there??

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
11:37 am

“Only one team will win the championship next season. Should OKC blow up there squad since they fell short? It is crazy for everyone to say trade Josh for a couple of draft picks. I say build around your strongest players and fill in with role players.”

I like Josh a lot, but let’s be real, Kevin Durant is WAY better than Josh. Nobody on this team is good enough to “build around” like Durant is. I am generally in favor of keeping Josh and finding a way to acquire a superior player so that Josh becomes a 2nd or 3rd option, if possible. But if not, there’s nobody on this team who is untouchable in a trade.

KevinM

June 26th, 2012
11:39 am

ESPN reporing the Rockets want D12’s buddy, Josh.

And the Rockets just picked up #18 from Minny for Buddinger. If Buddinger, a former 2nd rounder is worth a #1, then what is Josh worth?

This could get interesting..the Rockets now have 14/16/& 18 and are ready to rid themselves of Lowry and Dalembert too.

So their first agenda is D12, then Josh isn’t too far behind…..ballsy!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
11:41 am

“Joe’s contract will make it hard to make big roster changes”

Which is why I keep saying they need to trade him for cap space regardless of how they have to do it.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
11:42 am

They might want Josh, but he probably won’t re-sign with them cause D12 isn’t going to stay with the Rockets.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
11:43 am

@ MsDee

Either that is there plan or it’s a great way to disguise we’re actually blowing this up basically.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
11:44 am

Mean to say that is what they hope and if not it’s a great way to disguise themselves as this is our blowing up and rebuild process.

KevinM

June 26th, 2012
11:45 am

Does anyone really think Josh’s game really fits under the Ferry/SA model? I think he wants someone who makes his teammates better with less mistakes.
I can see Josh moving as the 1st pawn to fall. Joe and Marvin will require much more work.

Watch out Teague; you may be a trump card in any deal.

With Duncan being the ONLY lottery pick on that roster, Ferry may be thinking there is plenty of talent down int he draft.

I would prefer he go young and get some shooters to open the middle for our big men. Two names: Meeks and Bledsoe might be 2 youth guys to shoot for.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
11:45 am

“You seem upset at my Vick comment, I only asked because it seems like every single person I’ve talked to who turned on the Falcons are the upset Vick fans. They will never accept Ryan because he is not Vick.”

“Upset” is a strong word. More like “mildly annoyed”. If there is a legitimate criticism available of someone, it is unwarranted to assume that someone is offering criticism because of some hidden bias. It’s no different than assuming anyone who doesn’t like Josh’s jumpshots is just a hater.

If anything “upsets” me it is that my Giants fan friend has been talking sh-t to me nonstop since January and there isn’t a damn thing I can say back to him because this team continues to embarrass itself in the playoffs year after year. I hate seeing New York teams succeed.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
11:48 am

Tiger Woods is 50% Asian and 25% Black. Just saying…

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
11:50 am

doc, Bibby trade cost us nothing as I recall… Wasn’t it a bunch of expiring deals and throw-away players? Most GMs trade draft picks that don’t workout. It happens several times a year that a player still on their rookie contract gets moved for a better fit for the team.

Just Joe

June 26th, 2012
11:51 am

My guess is Houston thinks its worth a shot. If Josh and Dwight walk, then they’ll start over with a ton of cap space, or either will receive something back by way of sign-and-trade deals for both players. I admire their supposed willingness to trade mid-level players and picks for superstars.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
11:51 am

“Just curious, someone explain to me how getting both Josh AND Dwight is a good idea for the Rockets if both contracts are up after next season? Do they really think both Josh and Dwight will sign an extension there??”

It is a smart gamble on their part. They get both for one season and hope big things result. The thing is, even if both leave, it still leaves the Rockets with a better chance at acquiring a superstar (by sucking and getting a high draft pick) than if they maintain the status quo. Right now they are a 7 or 8 seed and nothing more.

Kind of like how the Hawks are a 4 or 5 seed and nothing more, and would be smart to try something similar themselves. Joe + Al for Dwight, team Dwight and Josh here for one year together, hope they both want to re-sign, and if they don’t, you still get to tank for a season and get a shot at a superstar.

Can’t build a title contender without superstars. Daryl Morey (the Rockets’ GM) understands this. Hopefully Danny Ferry does too.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
11:53 am

“doc, Bibby trade cost us nothing as I recall”

Cost them their 2008 first round pick. Still a good trade in my opinion, since it vaulted them from lottery team to playoff team. The only mistake they made with Bibby was giving him a guaranteed third year when they re-signed him.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
11:54 am

^Never mind, I f-cked up. The Hawks lost their ‘08 first rounder as part of the Joe Johnson deal. Only their second rounder went to Sacramento in the Bibby deal. Even better.

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
11:54 am

Mewlvin, not only do I disagree, but I don;t see Ferry spending over $35M long-term on Howard and Smith. IMO, neither are #1 scoring options on an ECF team.

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
11:55 am

Oops, Melvin…

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
11:58 am

Yeah, like I said, cost us nothing.

Hoosierhawk

June 26th, 2012
12:05 pm

Josh for Lowry, Dalembert, a 1st. Even if it is just a swap of our 1st for one of their lower 1sts.

Just Joe

June 26th, 2012
12:07 pm

Hawks tipping their draft preference? Bringing back several “shooters” for second workout. Lamb and Jenkins. Also Fournier (my guess), Miller, and English.

MsDee

June 26th, 2012
12:13 pm

Najeh, “Joe + Al for Dwight, team Dwight and Josh here for one year together, hope they both want to re-sign, and if they don’t, you still get to tank for a season and get a shot at a superstar.”

Now I would take that gamble anyday cause even though they would be here for only 1 year, I believe a squad with Teague, Josh, & Dwight will make for a great case for both Josh and Dwight to stay plus being best friends and from ATL helps as well.

MsDee

June 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

If Ferry could pull that one out of his sleeves, he will instantly become Exec of the Year..even if both Josh and Howard still decides to leave.

doc

June 26th, 2012
12:17 pm

bibby cost us huge when it came to salary and that is what i was saying, money not picks. folks overlook he is still maybe the highest paid hawks in the 21st century for one year at $17 mil. i dont think jj has exceeded that and we rant on about how much over paid he was. it affected our ability to find other players to fill some much needed gaps and kept woody’s bench very short. then we signed him for 6 mil a season for three more years so sund wouldnt have to work.

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
12:18 pm

Chad Ford puts the following players in the vicinity of where the Hawks will select (~18-25).

Tier 5
Moe Harkless
Fab Melo
Quincy Miller
Arnett Moultrie
Andrew Nicholson
Marquis Teague
Royce White
Tony Wroten Jr.

Note: This next group looks like locks for the first round, but most likely won’t make the lottery. A few teams had Harkless, Melo and Moultrie in Tier 4 but not quite enough for them to make the cut. Wroten and Miller were borderline picks here. Both players dropped out of the top 30 on at least one NBA team’s draft board

MsDee

June 26th, 2012
12:20 pm

Draft a SF @23 in place of Marvin and backup PG @43

Melvin

June 26th, 2012
12:21 pm

I don’t like any of the Rockets players. Most of them are mediocre or below avg at best. I’m only interested in their draft picks and cap space to dump a unwanted contract (Joe Johnson). Unless they could flip those picks to move up into the top 10, no way i would consider sending any of our (so called) big 3 players to them.

On another note, I think it would be very wise if the Hawks remain patient and keep their eye on next year (2013) draft that should have more franchise type players then this year (2012) draft. 2013 draft should be loaded with big men and Shabazz Muhammad may be the next great wing player.

MsDee

June 26th, 2012
12:24 pm

I like Moe Harkless at @23 if he falls that far..doubt it tho

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
12:25 pm

doc, we were a perennial lottery team without Bibby. Any bench help would have likely been overpaid scrubs. That big Bibby contlasted 18 months. And his first full year with the Hawks was probably the best year we’ve had from a PG since the Mookie days. It ended really badly but that shouldn’t detract from how he (along with Al’s arrival) got us from a sub .500 team to something approaching respectability.

KevinM

June 26th, 2012
12:46 pm

I hear alot about Harkless, but I don’t see the reasoning, especially if we’re talking about LD doing the leading.
If you bring in Harkless, you’re getting nothing this year and you’re giving him a 5 year deal.
I look at 23 for a guy who had success at a high level. Perhaps Lamb or Jenkins would be good if we need to start developing a shooter.
If you move a PF or 2, then go with Royce White and roll the dice. He might be a matchup nightmare.
cp has shown that if we get a better 2nd rounder, we can get our combo guard or shooter if we go for a bigger need in Round 1. I might agree to that.

Moving Josh would be huge for our draft potential. You think Ferry has a couple of favs in this draft?

KevinM

June 26th, 2012
12:49 pm

“Just Joe

June 26th, 2012
12:07 pm
Hawks tipping their draft preference? Bringing back several “shooters” for second workout. Lamb and Jenkins. Also Fournier (my guess), Miller, and English.”

I know Joe there’s a new guy in charge, but would you risk trying to get something out of Fournier? How much info is there on him? Is he NBA ready? The Hawks and frenchmen haven’t exactly worked out in recent history. And to give a Fournier 5 years at that?

KevinM

June 26th, 2012
12:58 pm

Rockets offered 14/16/ and Lowry to Sacramento for 5th/Tyreke.

I’m not doing that deal if I’m Sac, but if Tyreke is going to be used incorrectly in Sac, then you better get him out of there.

Me, go give up Josh to Sac for their #5, and get us Drummond or Barnes.

Just Joe

June 26th, 2012
1:06 pm

KevinM….I would not take a chance on Fournier, but I think Ferry might. The reasoning might be that he’s a scorer, not just a shooter.

Rufus1

June 26th, 2012
1:06 pm

Trade rumors are smoking….It is time to let Josh.

I thought the rumors about the Rockets #16 pick was Josh. If we could trade Josh for the 16th pick and Dalembert’s contract(1.5mil buyout)= 1st rd pick and 13.2mil of the books($47mil team salary)=$11mil in cap space for free agents

#16= Terrance Ross or Royce White or Perry Jones
#23= Nicholson or Jeff Taylor or Doron Lamb or Ezeli or Sullinger
#43= Kyle O’Quinn or Kevin Murphy

5mil> to Andrea Miller or Jason Kid
6mil> to JJ Hickson or Jordan Hill or Spencer Hawes or Jason Thompson or Lavoy Allen

WE WOULD BE A FAR BETTER TEAM NEXT YEAR…

.

ryan

June 26th, 2012
1:08 pm

I agree trade Josh Smith for top 5 pick he is our best value i think D12 ends up with Nets Howard wants bigtime Hollywood or New York Houston is dreaming to think there getting D12 .

O'Brien

June 26th, 2012
1:08 pm

KevinM,

Does anyone really think Josh’s game really fits under the Ferry/SA model? I think he wants someone who makes his teammates better with less mistakes..

Josh does make his teammates better (imo). Teague is the one guy (imo) who would benefit greatly if Josh would give up the ball on the break.

And if Danny Ferry uses advanced statistics, it wont take him long to realize he needs to talk to LD about Josh’s jumpers and 3’s, and his turnovers in transition.

O'Brien

June 26th, 2012
1:09 pm

The Portland Trail Blazers are fielding trade offers for guard Jamal Crawford and the Philadelphia 76ers, Minnesota Timberwolves, and Boston Celtics are among the teams actively pursuing the scoring specialist intensely, a league source tells CSNNW.com.

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
1:11 pm

Kevin, let’s see, Spurs were able to get information on a few international players… Parker, Ginobli and Splitter (to name a few current players). So yeah, I think if Ferry wants to consider players outside of the US, I won’t doubt that he knows what he’s doing.

Ray

June 26th, 2012
1:18 pm

Man seems like the trades are in full force today.

People asking for Andre Drummond he’s the guy that most people are picking as their bust pick he didn’t do to hot at Uconn this past year.

Like people said asking for a C just looking at him being 7′0 if I’m not mistaken isn’t Drummond more of a PF not a C wouldn’t that be Horford all over again?

pointguardslim

June 26th, 2012
1:20 pm

Josh Smith putting on 25 lbs and braking his knees at power forward wasnt sacrificing?

Kawhi Leonard vs Josh Smith
Horford vs Duncan

Hawks trade Josh and they will never be the Spurs. Ever. Josh Smith is hands down the most unique advantage they have.

Grandad

June 26th, 2012
1:26 pm

High-Sider

`’Are you, Grandad, accusing me of being divisive?`’
-No-
I accusing you of being a bigot.

‘`[Grandad] ever asked or petitioned your local, county, state and/or federal government to allow you and others to “claim” mulatto, biracial, biethnic, mixed-race and/or multiracial individuals/people for the white race? What was your stance/opinion during the “one-drop rule” era/debate/phenomenon?`’

Nope

H-S;
Have you ever gone to jail ?
for protecting a group of young people of a different color;
who were being wrongly accused; and mistreated;
by local authorities.`’ ?

I Have !
It cost me dearly.
I would do it again …proudly !
___________________________________________

Right is right – wrong is wrong / it has [no] color !
___________________________________________

You brought up the Jews / Hebrews in a previous post;
yet refuse to consider they were abused throughout history.
Remember the “holocaust”.
I am -not- a Jew. / I`m just sayin`, many have been oppressed.
Poor folks of all color have and are oppressed right now …
all over the wortld !
___________________________________________

High-Sider

You are a sad angry man.
I love all my fellow mankind and especially womankind.

I agree with you;
Shane Battier is White !
-also-
If any NBA player has “one drop” in `em;
we get to count `em;
therefore, you cannot say the NBA is a black man`s league.

It is a multi-cultural league of the greatest athletes in the world !

‘`People are like a box of crayons;
some are dark, some are light, some are pretty, some are weird,
some are sharp, while some are dull, and some have funny names;
but they all have to live in the same box.”
- author unknown –

With all due respect to everyone who reads the blog,
G-dad
-where irony meets ebony-

Ra'mon

June 26th, 2012
1:34 pm

Josh Smith no longer wants to be traded after the hiring of Danny Ferry.

And please note that Josh’s pressure on ownership to change the atmosphere and to be committed to winning helped convince ASG to look outside.

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
1:35 pm

Ra’mon, source?

MistGamer

June 26th, 2012
1:40 pm

Ra’mon..

This Ferry hire had Josh Smith written all over it. No, Ferry was not hand-picked by Josh, but Josh wanting a higher caliber of competitor running things definitely lead to the Ferry hire.

Buddy Grizzard

June 26th, 2012
1:41 pm

Tier 5
Moe Harkless – Has some upside, has some holes in his game

Fab Melo – 100% bust

Quincy Miller – Can’t guard 3’s. The buildup to this draft will be the last time he ever gets compared to Durant.

Arnett Moultrie – Haven’t heard much negative about him

Andrew Nicholson – Too slow to stay with 3s, will get pushed around by 4s. Still has a role in the NBA because he’s a shot maker

Marquis Teague – If he’s as good as his brother, he will be the steal of the draft. Being surrounded by talent at Kentucky was good training for the NBA, where he will need to set up better players.

Royce White – Star potential. His personal issues have been built up by teams hoping he will fall to them.

Tony Wroten Jr. – 100% bust. Weak handle and can’t shoot. He’s Pape Sy all over again.

Buddy Grizzard

June 26th, 2012
1:44 pm

“Josh Smith no longer wants to be traded after the hiring of Danny Ferry.”

Source?

Melvin

June 26th, 2012
1:48 pm

Astro

I knew you would be the first one to respond to Ramon post… LMAO,

Derrick

June 26th, 2012
1:48 pm

we have talent here. the thing is we need is a center. keeping josh and Joe would be great. the last time we traded a key player we went from first to the bottom. we need to go after a star player,and keep josh. if we lose josh who going to play defense. also Atlanta needs to stop giving away their player for free!

KevinM

June 26th, 2012
1:55 pm

I think Sac would do Josh for the #5…but you’re talking to the guy who wanted to trade Josh or Al for Cousins 2 years ago, and Josh or Al for the chance to get Kanter.

We need to get a big man in the biggest way and we are 2 years late in doing so…

I’m ready Danny to break up the core. Our big 3 isn’t very big when needed.

Ra'mon

June 26th, 2012
1:56 pm

AJ and Buddy, no source. I’m just forecasting, because I already have a really good feeling how Ferry and Josh’s conversation went (because I’m positive they spoke last night via phone). And Ferry’s six year contract also gives Josh the security that he will be there the entire duration of Josh’s next contract. Josh simply wants to win and know that management is doing everything in their power to make winning happen.

Ra'mon

June 26th, 2012
2:00 pm

O’B, if Josh agrees to an extension, would you be against trading Al to Charlotte for NEXT season’s first round pick?

Buddy Grizzard

June 26th, 2012
2:01 pm

Josh still wants to go. He will never get a max contract here and he knows he’s a better player than Joe. And he has jealousy issues due to all of the accolades All NBA has received. Josh is gone, peeps. Book it.

darrell starks

June 26th, 2012
2:02 pm

#23 FAB MELO

http://youtu.be/7qnArZgD1m8

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
2:02 pm

Based on the reasons Josh has given for allegedly wanting a trade, I doubt that Ferry is going to do much to change his mind. I think the way to convince him to stay is to get him a teammate who is better than him. If that teammate is his childhood friend Dwight Howard, all the better.

darrell starks

June 26th, 2012
2:04 pm

MELO A 360 DUNK

http://youtu.be/jGTLJcCi_wk

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

June 26th, 2012
2:08 pm

Melvin and Ra’mon, many of Josh’s most avid supporters have refuted that Josh wanted to be traded in the first place. So when Ra’mon suddenly admits that Josh previously wanted to be traded, that in and of itself is noteworthy.

Meanwhile, Houston has probbaly decided that if they can get Josh now, they could potentially get Howard later. Josh becomes their spokesperson to hype up the Rockets to Howard. Houston is thinking beyond the next few months, which is how I hope Ferry is thinking. Success is not defined but what happens next season (or the ASG would not have given him a 6-year deal).

Of course, players get traded rather they want to or not. If Josh publicly declares that he doesn;t want to be traded, then Ferry may be able to squeeze a little more out of the trading team.

Melvin

June 26th, 2012
2:08 pm

Ra’mon and Astro,

Josh did put a pic of Ferry on his facebook page yesterday Said he was “Excited to welcome Danny Ferry to the Atlanta Hawks family”.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
2:08 pm

Apparently the Lakers want to trade Metta World Peace for a late first-rounder. If they decide they want to keep this core together, would you trade the #23 and Marvin for MWP?

darrell starks

June 26th, 2012
2:08 pm

Josh will stay, specially with this hire.

ASG MUST STEP UP 2 THE PLATE NOW.

Just keep this team together and add pieces.

This could be the second most talented team in Hawks history.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heisenberg

June 26th, 2012
2:09 pm

Houston is stockpiling 1st round draft picks to try to build a package to Howard. Part of their plans could also include Josh as a way to get Howard to come. It would be worth looking at some combination of Sciola, Martin, Lowery, & a 1st round pick for Josh.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
2:09 pm

^I am on the fence about that trade idea, but just wondering what everyone else thinks.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 26th, 2012
2:10 pm

“This could be the second most talented team in Hawks history.”

That is like being the world’s second-tallest midget.

KevinM

June 26th, 2012
2:11 pm

We are a stage where this core has peaked. If you aren’t trading Josh, then you have to move Al.
So pick your poison, but Josh makes the most sense if you are doing the SA model……Al is locked in at a fair salary. As I said, Joe and Marvin are the components in question. Can they be improved and save salary? I would think so.

Heisenberg

June 26th, 2012
2:13 pm

Najah, may not need to give up anything for MWP as he is a candidate for amnesty. But I would not want him either way.

Melvin

June 26th, 2012
2:16 pm

Najeh,

As much as i want to see Marvin traded, i damn sure won’t trade him for the nut case MWP. MWP is not the player (especially defensively) he used to be. I rather amnesty Marvin before we bring MWP on this team.

darrell starks

June 26th, 2012
2:16 pm

I remember back in the days during the late 80’s and early 90’s the Hawks had the second best talent in basketball behind the Laker, if they had kept them together Hawks would have atleast 1 NBA title back in the Days.

DOC, RANDY, NIQUE, WILLIS, TREE

SPUD, MCGEE, LEVISTON, CARR, CONTRACT, at this time Contract was playing his best basketball.

This was a good team that took the Celtics 7games.

Have they stayed together they would have a title.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

aizdaman

June 26th, 2012
2:17 pm

Ferry got a 6 year deal because, he is gonna tear this team down and rebuild it

Mike

June 26th, 2012
2:19 pm

@Ra’mon and darrell starks

First of all, we dont have ANY MONEY PERIOD to resigned Josh if we want and if we did, we still have a traffic jam with Horford and Smith playing the same position and Horford playing Center wont work or be complain about it sooner or later. Right now, if we did resigned Josh that means Zaza is gone, Teague wont be resigned and we will be looking for Vetmin until the 2016 season.

Right now, this core has ran its course and its time for change.

darrell starks

June 26th, 2012
2:20 pm

Keep this team together and stop listening to everybody out side of the ATL, the Hawks are sttill young.

1. JOE 30YEARS

2. HORFORD 25 YEARS

3. JOSH 26YEARS

4. TEAGUE 23YEARS

5. MARVIN 25YEARS

6. ZAZA 28YEARS

This team is still young

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Melvin

June 26th, 2012
2:24 pm

Gangsta David Stern is at it again….

“NEW YORK – NBA commissioner David Stern has punished the Oklahoma City Thunder, ordering them to send a future draft pick to the Boston Celtics as compensation for the heart problems that Jeff Green suffered with the Celtics, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Oklahoma City will send Boston the 2013 second-round pick that it controls from Charlotte. Expected to be the worst team in the league again, Charlotte’s pick will likely be the 31st overall. “

KevinM

June 26th, 2012
2:26 pm

“darrell starks

June 26th, 2012
2:20 pm
Keep this team together and stop listening to everybody out side of the ATL, the Hawks are sttill young.”

Darrell, what haven’t you seen so far that tells you this team still has growth? Age?

These guys are comfortable here, and there’s no one making them accountable for their previous limitations. They is no developement going on in this program.
I have more good reasons to tear it apart than I have to keep it together. As currently constructed, we are no threat to contend past a couple of 1st round wins.
So to be realistic, we are 14 wins away from a title. That’s the facts.

darrell starks

June 26th, 2012
2:27 pm

Mike have you benn watching the HAWKS ?

This team almost beat Bulls last year with Josh at the 3 and Horford at the 4

The Hawks are better when Josh starte at SF and Horford starte at PF

Defensive is the Key to this team i like Zaza starting at center but also wouldn’t mind getting a legit 7′0 would can defend the paint, if this team could find that piece Hawks could be a special team.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heisenberg

June 26th, 2012
2:33 pm

The Hawks are better when Josh starte at SF and Horford starte at PF
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I disagree. Josh had a career year playing mostly at the 4 (and sometimes 5) when Al was out. They both play the same position. I would move Josh while the price is high (and the likelyhood he will not re-sign). Last thing I want to see is him playing the 3 hanging around the arc launching jumpers.

High-sider

June 26th, 2012
2:44 pm

@Najeh Davenpoop

Najeh Davenpoop
June 26th, 2012
11:48 am

Tiger Woods is 50% Asian and 25% Black. Just saying…
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Actually, Tiger Woods “says” (claims) his ethnic/racial makeup (composition) is one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter (black) African-American, one-eighth Native American and one-eighth Dutch. I “say” (claim) Tiger Woods is (a) 100% bullsh-t sellout.

http://www.racialicious.com/2009/12/08/100-cablinasian-getting-the-race-facts-right-on-tiger-woods/

MsDee

June 26th, 2012
2:46 pm

#Hawks to bring back Lamb (Ky) & Jenkins (Vandy) for 2nd workouts Wed. Others: English (Mizzou), Miller (Ky), Fournier (France)

hawks_4_life

June 26th, 2012
2:48 pm

I TRUST DANNY FAIRY. All kidding aside Im all for blowing up this team and starting over. Hopefully this new voice can find us a superstar. JUST REMEMBER FOLK, WHEN HE MAKES A MOVE YOU DONT AGREE WITH DONT THROW HIM UNDER THE BUS. Give him a chance.

Ra'mon

June 26th, 2012
2:54 pm

AJ, show me where I ever stated Josh didn’t want to be traded? I always said Josh doesn’t want to be here if the Hawks aren’t committed to winning and making changes. THAT’s what I’ve always said. And I’ve always said I felt there were a handful of deals that could be made to convince Josh to sign an extension.

EmirS.

June 26th, 2012
2:57 pm

So you guys are willing to say that if Houston was to acquire Josh AND Howard…that neither one of them would resign with the Rockets? I’d beg to differ. Tbh, they would compliment each other. Howard can grab Josh’s misses, Howard would have a legit passing big man, and it would be a block-fest in Houston. Not to mention, once again, that they’e childhood friends. You add some pieces around them and we’re talking Finals contenders. I’d suggest grabbing some bench sharpshooters and a driving PG

However, the only problem I see is Josh trying to be the point guard. But Kevin McHale is the coach there…I doubt he’d be having any of that.

It’s gonna be very interesting to see whats going to happen in the upcoming days.

Heisenberg

June 26th, 2012
3:03 pm

EmirS, my 2:09 post suggests that could very well be the Rockets plan. From Hawks perspective, such a trade would be well worth exploring.

DawgNole

June 26th, 2012
3:10 pm

Sugar Ray
June 26th, 2012
10:39 am

I believe the Hawks and Falcons are on the same level, so I don’t bash either team more than the other. Fans should only focus on championships, which I why I think fans of both teams should stop overrating “fan favorites” past and present if they didn’t bring the city a parade down Peachtree. None of these guys have done anything… Vick, Ryan, Nique, Josh… no trophies in those cases. People in other cities would laugh if someone started bragging about them or acting as if they were all world and untouchable.
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You are correct; none of them have done anything that matters, i.e., won a championship. And because of it, “people in other cities” laugh anyway–regardless of whether or not someone starts “bragging about them.”

It’s time, ATL. It’s time.

Michael Cunningham

June 26th, 2012
3:15 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.