Atlanta Hawks: Prospect focus: Vanderbilt’s John Jenkins

The first time Larry Drew saw John Jenkins play live, during a workout in Santa Barbara, the Vanderbilt guard didn’t shoot well. The second time Drew saw him, at the Chicago pre-draft camp, Jenkins was “just OK” shooting it.

That changed during Jenkins’ workout at Philips Arena.

“He came here and he shot the hell out of it,” Drew said. “He has an NBA skill. He’s a guy that, watching him play and the way teams play him, it’s kind of that J.J. Redick feel. If he’s on the court, you better be with him at all times. It would be great to have a guy like that.”

Jenkins’ shooting display during his Hawks workout was no fluke. He was an elite shooter in college, posting the best effective field-goal percentage among D1 perimeter players.

Jenkins will have to prove he can do enough other things well enough to help offensively once defenders crowd his jump shot–presumably John Hollinger’s draft rater doesn’t like Jenkins (Insider) because of concerns about his ability to do so. His assist rate ranks last among DraftExpress.com’s top shooting guard prospects and his free-throw rate wasn’t much better.

The more pressing questions regarding Jenkins are his potential as a defender because he’s not particularly quick or athletic. Not surprisingly, Jenkins said teams have keyed in on testing his defensive ability during workouts.

“I’m a good shooter,” Jenkins said. “They know I can shoot and score the ball but they need to know if I can play defense. This league is so good, you have got to be able to defend, too. I just want to prove that I can.”

He apparently made a good case during his Hawks workout. Drew, Dave Pendergraft and Rick Sund all used the word “deceptive” to describe Jenkins’ athleticism.

Jenkins said he’s heard that a lot along the workout trail.

“They really underestimate it,” he said. “I didn’t show it so much at Vandy because that wasn’t my role and I didn’t get enough opportunities. But now that I’m in my individual workouts I can show that I can dunk the ball and do a lot of good things athletically.”

Jenkins rarely missed while putting up shots after his workout, but that was expected. I was surprised to see that Jenkins has good size. He’s legitimately 6-4 with long arms and broad shoulders.

Drew, Pendergraft and Sund all said they believe Jenkins has the potential to be an adequate NBA defender.

“I think so,” Drew said. “I think he’s got the package. It’s just the know-how. Knowing personnel, knowing how to defend certain guys, what they like to do. This kid, he’s a smart guy.”

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Tru ATL Fan

June 20th, 2012
1:40 pm

So long as we have the ASG and JJ, honestly, no one cares. We know what the end result will be.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 20th, 2012
1:41 pm

Good stuff MC.

I don’t have Insider but I wonder how these attempts to use stats to evaluate draft prospects, like Hollinger’s player rater, stack up with the way drafts turned out in previous years.

Astro Joe

June 20th, 2012
1:45 pm

It will be fun to read some of the posts over the next few days. Some who want to know yesterday who the Hawks are selecting next week will likely drive yourselves crazy with all of these quotes hyping up players A, B and C.

Grandad, so what is your source saying these days? Still holding firm on the pursuit of #18?

Buddy Grizzard

June 20th, 2012
1:48 pm

cp posted the whole draft rater post a couple blogs back:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/06/17/atlanta-hawks-assistant-gm-dave-pendergraft-on-the-draft/?cp=4

Apparently it’s done really well predicting successful small forwards. But this year’s rater has Wroten ahead of Teague, Lillard, Rivers and Marshall, which makes me wonder about how it’s calculated as well.

SteveW

June 20th, 2012
1:53 pm

Najeh – I don’t know about Hollinger’s overall rankings historically, but I do know he nailed it on Rondo. Then in 2009, when asked about who could be the next Rondo – picked later, but do well in the League – he said Jeff Teague before the draft – In my opinion, he nailed that one also.

Also cp on the last blog posted Hollinger’s player rankings for this year – very informative.

Jenkins – Kyle Korver, JJ Reddick, Steve Alford – I’m just not that into those guys style of play. I want them to have some other skills besides shooting the ball. That’s just me. In the NBA, it’s too easy to put an athlete on a guy and crowd him, so he gets no touches, and is bothered when he shoots.

VD

June 20th, 2012
1:54 pm

Gonna have to agree with true ATL fan. As long as we have this ownership, this gm, and Joe Johnson’s contract, we won’t do much.

SteveW

June 20th, 2012
1:55 pm

Listening to Gearon talk, he seems to like smart guys, like Collins from Stanford – that’s why I won’t be surprised if we pick one of these guys from Vandy.

I like Jenkins a whole lot better at 43 than 23, but I doubt he last that long.

Astro Joe

June 20th, 2012
1:57 pm

Najeh, Hollinger’s Draft Rater (according to the modeler himself) tends to work best on big men and guys who have played more than one year of college ball. Obviously, any model is better with more data, so one and done players are harder to model than a junior. He predicted that Kahwi Leonard would be better than many projected and he rated Fredette fairly low (relative to his draft slot). At the same time, he didn’t give Faried much love and completely missed on Marshon Brooks. So pretty much like the human way of evaluating players, it is a crap shoot. (BTW, he rates Quincy Miller and Wroten much higher than their current projections… but again, they are both 1-year college players).

SteveW

June 20th, 2012
1:58 pm

I think Wroten in the right situation, and with the want to, will be a very good NBA player in 2 to 3 years. But with the Hawks desire for “now” players, I can’t see us drafting him, unless he’s there at 43.

And I remember the begging the Hawks to draft DeJuan Blair a couple of drafts ago – that guy was supposed to go like #16, and he kept on falling thru the 2nd round. He’s been a good pickup for the Spurs. Decent, not great, but ok.

SteveW

June 20th, 2012
2:02 pm

Doron Lamb or Jordan Jenkins? I guess I’d take either, just not at #23.

That guy Kim English? from Mo. – Draftexpress has us taking at 43 – looked solid as a ball player.

SteveW

June 20th, 2012
2:06 pm

Meyers Leonard looks like a ok prospect also – If we could trade up to obtain him, i’m not against that, depending on what we traded.

Jared Sullinger falls to 23? Take him in a heartbeat – Your looking at a guy projected as a top 5 pick, and maybe a top 2 last season, who may have a health concern. Sullinger is a BB player plain and simple. I’m not interested at getting another Oden, but at 23, take a chance on that guy.

Buddy Grizzard

June 20th, 2012
2:06 pm

From Hollinger’s post:

“Evan Fournier of France, didn’t play in the Euroleague this year and thus has no projection. Subjectively, I’m not sold on him — he’s basically a slashing scorer who isn’t athletic enough to score that way in the NBA — but he at least has the benefit of being only 19.”

Fournier is my pick. He hasn’t shot lights out but he’s improving rapidly. From what I’ve read, there’s nothing wrong with his mechanics but he tends to take a lot of off balance shots and not keep his body square. This is correctable. Also, the guy has the handle and passing ability to play some point. He doesn’t have Wroten’s athleticism, but Wroten doesn’t have Fournier’s skill at either guard position. People probably didn’t think Ginobli (whom Fournier gets compared to) was that athletic when he was drafted at the end of the second round (the Spurs had a higher second round pick that didn’t pan out… they weren’t that big on Ginobli).

The Pacers are trying to get Fournier back for a second work out in front of Larry Bird because he was not present at the first work out. Apparently they like him at 26.

KevinM

June 20th, 2012
2:08 pm

AJ, I totally agree with you, and that quote about Green is something for us to fawn over.
Saying that, it would not surprise me in the least to see LD bring in another PF/SF/athlete…

Nothing would surprise me as to which direction the Hawks would go, but I predicted Chills and Shellhead when they came here, and Stanford and Duke players seem to help guys on our draft board.
Time to get a Vandy player now…..I don’t expect much from Taylor, Jenkins or Ekezi.

Melvin

June 20th, 2012
2:10 pm

Not a Jenkins fan. I would prefer Quincy Miller. Give me the guy with length,size, skill set and potential over a guy who played 3 or 4yrs of college ball. It’s not like the Hawks will win the championship next year as constructed, so give me the guy with the greatest upside that could be a main cog for years to come versus a older college guy that’s limited, with a lower ceiling and almost reach his peak.

Admiral Ackbar

June 20th, 2012
2:17 pm

Admiral Ackbar

June 20th, 2012
2:17 pm

ITS A TRAP!!

BIG DOG

June 20th, 2012
2:23 pm

Admiral Ackbar – What that Muslim ? i dont laugh much because im Big Dog but that’s some funny sh t.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

UGA

June 20th, 2012
2:26 pm

Here come the trades! From ESPN

NBA source tells me Emeka Okafor and Trevor Arizona have been traded to the Washington Wizards for Rashard Lewis and the #46 pick

High-sider

June 20th, 2012
2:32 pm

@KevinM

KevinM
June 20th, 2012
11:55 am

Has there been an explanation why the format is 2-2-1-1-1 all the way though the playoffs, and then it goes 2-3-2?

Does that make sense to anyone?
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I think that playoff format change has something to do with regional proximity, logistics, time zone changes and/or travel scheduling. Since the NBA Finals is decided between [the] Eastern and Western Conference Champions, there could be a lot of travel involved in a [hypothetical] matchup between, for example, the [former] Seattle Supersonics and the Miami Heat or the Los Angeles Lakers and the Boston Celtics. See the distance in mileage and the time zone changes involved in those two hypothetical matchups. If a series goes seven games in a 2-3-2 format, the teams and media personnel travel only two [2] times after the first two games of the series whereas in a 2-2-1-1-1 format, the two teams and the media personnel will have to travel four [4] times after the first two games if the series goes seven games. I think the 2-3-2 format was primarily instituted to cut down on the travel [and jet lag] of the players and the extra media personnel coverage.

BIG DOG

June 20th, 2012
2:32 pm

West Brook is a beast and scored 43points.

18 for 32 but he get the blame, I BE DAM

The dumbest comment ever the guy score 43points and shoot 62% percent from field.

Thunders lost because this dum coach continue to play small ball instead playing big with solid defense, the same thing LD continue to do with his philosophy, always thinking small ball.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

June 20th, 2012
2:37 pm

Teague, Joe, Josh, Horford, Zaza

Would beat the Heat.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Rick James

June 20th, 2012
2:40 pm

John Jenkins is an assasin..If he’s there when the Hawks pick they wont choose him because it makes too much sense.I’m sure they will take a forward from Armpit State and tell us he will replace Josh Smith who they just traded for a coke and a bag of chips..The band plays on.

TMACfan

June 20th, 2012
2:42 pm

Do you guys remember my trade request? Marvin Williams for sandwiches? Anyone think any teams will still make that trade?

O'Brien

June 20th, 2012
2:42 pm

Through 4 games in the NBA finals, Harden is averaging 10 ppg, shooting 35% from the field (including 4-20 the last 2 games), 28% from 3, and 72% from the line.

Compare that to his regular season average of 17 ppg, 49% from the field, 39% from 3, 85 % from the line. If Harden came close to duplicating his regular season numbers, I think Thunder would be leading 3-1.

With his lackluster performance, lucky for him he has one more season to make teams get this bad taste out of their mouth before he becomes a RFA next offseason.

O'Brien

June 20th, 2012
2:45 pm

What’s the Wizards motivation? They already have Nene (4 years, $52 mil), so why trade for Okafor (2 years, $28 mil) and Ariza (2 years, $15 mil)? Too bad we couldn’t find a deal that involved them taking Marvin.

New Orleans has a ton of cap flexibility now, and will be able to match any contract offer Eric Gordon gets. If they are willing to spend money, and get their draft picks right, they should be competing for a playoff spot in no time (imo).

Jimmy Crack

June 20th, 2012
2:48 pm

Jenkins has been a thorn in UGA’s side for years. Thankfully he has graduated and we all knew he was NBA material since he was a sophomore. As a tepid Hawks fan I wouldn’t mind John on our side making that last shot instead of “you know who”.

Grandad

June 20th, 2012
2:49 pm

A J

Nothing new here – though I`ve been digging.
Amick`s rumor yesterday intimating we are fishing, with
Josh & Marv for bait; ties in nicely with my original disclosure.

O'Brien

June 20th, 2012
2:51 pm

This NBA finals reminds us that you need your stars to play like stars, but role players have to step up too. Where would Miami be without Battier and Chalmers?

Imagine if KD and Westbrook had more teammates stepping up. To tie this back to the Hawks, we won’t get anywhere with a bench filled with vet min players (imo). It’s ok to have them sprinkled in, but last year, our entire bench (except for Marvin and Zaza) were vet min guys.

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
2:55 pm

cp has Andrew sliding down to 38th? Wow….

1. Anthony Davis
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4. Dion Waiters
5. Andre Drummond

6. Quincy Miller
7. Jared Sullinger
8. Terrence Jones
9. John Henson
10. Royce White

11. Bradley Beal
12. Harrison Barnes
13. Tony Wroten
14. Kendall Marshall
15. Marquis Teague

16. Draymond Green
17. Jeremy Lamb
18. Damian Lillard
19. Austin Rivers
20. Doron Lamb

21. Furkan Aldemir
22. Will Barton
23. Tyler Zeller
24. Evan Fournier
25. Tyshawn Taylor

26. Meyers Leonard
27. Terrence Ross
28. Perry Jones
29. Festus Ezeli
30. Fab Melo

31. Kostas Sloukas
32. Henry Sims
33. Terrell Stoglin
34. Kostas Papanikolaou
35. Moe Harkless

36. Leon Radosevic
37. JaMychal Green
38. Andrew Nicholson
39. Drew Gordon
40. Garrett Stutz

41. Robert Sacre
42. Arnett Moultrie
43. Elias Harris
44. William Buford
45. Jae Crowder

46. Jared Cunningham
47. Jordan Taylor
48. John Jenkins
49. Orlando Johnson
50. Jeffrey Taylor

51. Quincy Acy
52. Maalik Wayns
53. Tornike Shengelia
54. Scott Machado
55. Mike Scott

56. J’Covan Brown
57. Reggie Hamilton
58. Khris Middleton
59. Tony Mitchell
60. Miles Plumlee

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Matt

June 20th, 2012
2:57 pm

I’m a Vandy alum and watched Jenkins Ezeli and Taylor for their whole careers at VU. It hurts to say it but I wouldn’t draft any of them – none of them showed the killer instinct the Hawks need, especially Jenkins – that guy had open threes in the NCAA tournament losses to Richmond and Wisconsin and bricked. Not good in the clutch and very streaky. the Hawks can do better.

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
2:59 pm

Watching this Finals just goes to show you how far the Hawks talent level is from competing in an NBA Finals?

Never going to happen with this regime…

Grandad

June 20th, 2012
3:00 pm

Unlike many prospects –> jenkins has a Skill.

An important skill that translates well into the trending NBA.

Prospects such as Q.Miller are athletes with potential.
There are always questions:
If he does this, or, will he develop, what if , if only, will he ?

Jenkins can shoot. //// Period. //// All the other stuff = icin` on the cake.
Regardless, he can shoot. [and make `em] … no questions.

Now;
do you wish to draft a question ? at # 23;
or, do you wish to draft a discernable skill.
____________________________________________

There are other choices of course.

Bravesfan79

June 20th, 2012
3:01 pm

Its a shame that Queen James will finally get his title, not because he dominated the series, but because of the Thunders mental mistakes. Westbrook proves some of the most athletic guys in the world, are also some of the dumbest!

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
3:06 pm

Yea your Braves make some dumb mistakes on a nightly basis? Used to it Huh?

That organization has not won a playoff series since 2001…

Yea just dumb Sh t!

Litte Dog

June 20th, 2012
3:07 pm

I didnt want to see the Heat win it because their fans dont appreciate Chris Bosh. Without Bosh, they wouldnt of beat Boston! Bosh and Battier, 2 main reasons why they will win it. 2 bad James will get ALL the credit.
LITTLE DOG IN THE HOUSE…. yap yap yap ;p

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
3:08 pm

Brave are by far the worst professional sports franchise in GEORGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea dumb CHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
3:08 pm

[Braves]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
3:09 pm

[Georgia]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^66

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
3:10 pm

Hey Bravesfan79 go crawl back in your hole you dumb chit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

brigadierjerry

June 20th, 2012
3:15 pm

that noh/was trade was salary dump for noh. wash will be little better with more veterans.

hawks going to pick best person that can play right away. would like for them to pick up benson. he wont cost a lot and can block shots. i see hawks picking either a smalll forward or

BravesFan

June 20th, 2012
3:16 pm

Im guessing your about as retarded as Westbrook. Give me a Steve Nash or John Stocton anyday! At least they would have the game awarness not to be a moron!

Astro Joe

June 20th, 2012
3:16 pm

Slimjr, that was Hollinger’s ranking based on his Draft Rater model.. not cp’s evaluation.

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
3:17 pm

Bravesfan79=MORON

STRETCH

June 20th, 2012
3:17 pm

Souce confirms @DraftExpress report that Hornets have agreed to trade Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza to Wizards for Rashard Lewis, 46th pick.

Wow, Hawks could have used those guys!!!!

brigadierjerry

June 20th, 2012
3:17 pm

slimjr whats good

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
3:20 pm

feel like stomping a stump jumper today Bjerry!LOL

Whats up home slice?

cp

June 20th, 2012
3:22 pm

Lol no Slim I dont have Nicholson that low. That was Hollingers rankings not mine. You know Im high on Nicholson., I dont see him sliding past Boston

@Kevin. Yea I dont like the Vandy guys either. If the Hawks are going to take a combo guard I would rather have Lamb or just take Cunninham in the second. Jenkins can shoot but thats about all he can do.

@Melvin. Thats the point I was making yesterday. Give me a guy who in a few years will be better than half the guys who will be drafted ahead of him rather than a guy who has a low ceiling. This team wont be much better than this past season so get a young guy in here who has the potential to be a stud in the future. Im not a fan of Wroten but I understand why some guys would like to draft him.

Astro Joe

June 20th, 2012
3:23 pm

Okafor, Nene, Seraphin and Booker makes for a very powerful group of bigs. This would suggest that they will draft either Beal or Barnes, as they don’t need anymore beef (unless a subsequent trade is pending. Somewhere Audray Blatche is calling his realtor.

cp

June 20th, 2012
3:24 pm

Another guy im starting to like is the kid Hollis from Georgetown. He might be a better pro than college player because of the system he played in at Georgetown. Ive seen a few guys on here mention him but I just recently looked at some footage of him. Could be a second round gem.

Slimjr

June 20th, 2012
3:26 pm

10-4 AJ and cp…lol