Atlanta Hawks: Prospect focus: Baylor’s Quincy Miller

Baylor forward Quincy Miller is the highest-rated draft prospect who’s scheduled to work out for the Hawks, according to DraftExpress.com. He’d probably be ranked higher if not for the torn left ACL he suffered in December 2010.

David Aldridge reports the knee is a major concern for teams. He quoted an anonymous Central Division executive as saying: “He needs to spend these couple of months actually working out and rehabbing, and he never did it. He clearly never rehabbed. The atrophy in his leg was incredible. If he gets his leg strength back, he’s Durant-like in his ability to get a shot off. He’s 6-10 and he can snap his shot off with no trouble.”

The Hawks’ medical and basketball people have yet to meet to scrutinize Miller’s medical history in detail. But Miller was said to be moving better during his workout over the weekend than he did during his one season at Baylor.

The Hawks always covet versatile players and they aren’t sure if Miller could play power forward in addition to small forward. Hawks assistant GM Dave Pendergraft:

“That’s a good question. It’s kind of like Rashard Lewis with the Sonics. You didn’t know if he was a three or a four. A lot of that will be answered with the maturation of [Miller's] body. How strong can he get? How quickly can he get strong? And then can his frame carry weight? I would say right now he has to be a three because at the four he would get pushed around like a chess piece. So right now he’d have to keep him as much on the perimeter as much as he can. Now in time can he [get stronger]? Rashard Lewis, I think the most he ever weighed was 238, maybe. But he could bench 320 pounds. He’s an unbelievably strong guy. Now, can Quincy do that some day? Maybe. When you look at ‘Q,’ you look at the upside. How good can he be? And he does have a lot of upside. But right now I would classify him as a 3-4. Maybe somewhere down the line he could be a 4-3. But Rashard Lewis would be the case in point.”

Miller said he’s already gained significant weight since Baylor’s season ended.

“Once I put on a little more muscle I can play four,” he said. “I weigh 220 right now. I want to get up to 235, 240 almost. Somewhere around there.”

Miller said the added weight hasn’t affected his mobility. Hawks coach Larry Drew wonders if there could be diminishing returns:

“I don’t know what a bigger frame will do for him. Will it take anything away from him? Certainly he is going to have to get stronger moving to this next level and playing the position he plays. He certainly has to get stronger. From what I’ve seen of him, his wiry frame, that’s kind of who he is. You can really see the potential of this kid. He’s a good mid-range shooter, very skilled around the basket and he has length. He handles the ball good enough. He’s getting better at it. He’s a talented guy.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

273 comments Add your comment

Slimjr

June 19th, 2012
11:40 am

Draft Andrew Nicholson Please!!

Slimjr

June 19th, 2012
11:42 am

He’ll workout for the Hawks this Friday then they will forget about Miller!

Astro Joe

June 19th, 2012
11:43 am

He’s gaining weight but his leg is weak? That doesn’t sound good. Is he only working on his upper body, eating Moon Pies or is he also rehabbing that leg? And for every “Durant like” there is someone who will be more “Tim Thomas like”. Another 6′10″ jump-shooter with great physical attributes.

I hope that every athletic PG with a broken jumper doesn’t get labeled “the next Rondo”. What is it that Wroten has that seperates him from the myriad of other athletic PGs who come and go? Like Willie Warren (to pull a name out of my…).

WeBurn

June 19th, 2012
11:46 am

Great, another tweener. JUST what this lineup needs…

PD

June 19th, 2012
11:46 am

MC Durant and an older example Tayshaun Prince have proven you don’t need to be a body builder to play basketball. Can this kid play basketball and do it at the higher level? Their major concern should be his knee and can he play immediately only.

Slimjr

June 19th, 2012
11:48 am

I don’t want any guard who can’t shoot worth a crap….

1st requirement for any NBA guard is he has to have a jumper and decent handles…..Huh?

Andrew is 6′9″ 240lbs, with 10″ hands and 7′3″ reach!! Go get him!

Michael Cunningham

June 19th, 2012
11:48 am

@PD: “MC Durant and an older example Tayshaun Prince have proven you don’t need to be a body builder to play basketball.”

never said you do but those are outliers. just reporting what i hear.

“Their major concern should be his knee and can he play immediately only.”

seems to me to be more of a longer-term prospect.

PD

June 19th, 2012
11:48 am

Astro Joe remember Rondo is a different player if he doesn’t play in Boston with Doc and KG. Doc and Garnett were huge in the development of Rondo forcing him to be the leader and not BS.

PD

June 19th, 2012
11:50 am

MC, I’m just commenting……..It’s kind of funny to hear their concerns. Good stuff homey

Najeh Davenpoop

June 19th, 2012
11:50 am

“A lot of that will be answered with the maturation of [Miller's] body. How strong can he get? How quickly can he get strong? And then can his frame carry weight? I would say right now he has to be a three because at the four he would get pushed around like a chess piece. ”

In today’s NBA, which trends towards smaller and quicker players, I think they have to look at it in the opposite way. Is he quick enough to defend 3s and take 3s off the dribble at an NBA level? If not, he is a 4 whether he likes it or not, and he better find a way to put on that weight.

northcyde

June 19th, 2012
11:51 am

Enter your comments here

Mookie

June 19th, 2012
11:53 am

Remember Dermarr Johnson? That’s Quincy Miller. The Hawks should draft between Andrew Nicholson, Jeff Taylor and Royce White. Forget potential, we need guys who can play right now. Potential gets coaches and GMs fired.

cp

June 19th, 2012
11:54 am

I really like Miller. I was watching his workout footage and he looks a lot better than he did at Baylor. I think he wouuld be a steal at 23. He would be a top 10 pick next year if he stayed at Baylor. He has a good midrange game, and nice handles. He can take his man off the dribble which is something a lot of guys on our team cant seem to do.

@Astro. I think the only problem with a Teague and Wroten backcourt is the lack of shooting. Teague isnt known as a shooter but he is a lot better at it than Wroten. Like I keep saying, I wont be shocked if Wroten is the pick only because Sund is in love with him. Maybe Pendergraft doesnt hold him in such high regards as Sund but who knows.

@Buddy. I dont mind Taylorbut it all depends on who is left on the board. His handles are sub par and I really want another guy who can create his own shot on this team.

Astro Joe

June 19th, 2012
11:55 am

PD, I agree. Rondo had GREAT teachers in Boston… I don’t think you can simply take a player with similar attributes and expect the same results. But every draft candidate I guess has to have a comparative player, like Quincy Miller and Rashard Lewis. But isn’t that Austin Daye kid in Detroit a super-long and thin SF who hasn’t quite made an impact for a really bad team?

cp

June 19th, 2012
11:56 am

Other than body types I dont see the coparison of Miller and Dermarr. I still think Dermarr was headed in the right direction before that car accident. He was really starting to get it during the second half of his second year. Dude was having some really good games. He was never the same after that accident though.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 19th, 2012
12:00 pm

In fairness, DerMarr Johnson might have turned out OK if not for that car accident. He had several pretty good games in the second half of his second season.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 19th, 2012
12:00 pm

I definitely did not read cp’s post before I posted that.

cp

June 19th, 2012
12:05 pm

Najeh great minds think alike. I always liked DerMarr. I thought he was going to really put it all together that 3rd year but that accident happened. Miller has a better midrange game and better handles than DerMarr had. DerMarr was the better 3point shooter but Miller looks like he has raised his release and it looks a lot better. I think Miller was the highest rated guy out of his class before the injury.

Just Joe

June 19th, 2012
12:06 pm

Wroten measures out at 6′6″ in shoes with a 6′9″ wingspan. He just turned 19 in April. He truly is a combo-guard. Gaddy handled the starting PG duties for the Huskies. Wroten and Ross both played mostly off the ball. Wroten’s strength is getting to the rim, much like a Tyreke Evans (6′5″ with a 6′11″ wingspan). Wroten shot less 3’s than Evans in college (Evans shot more than twice as many), and Wroten got to the free throw line more.

BIG DOG

June 19th, 2012
12:06 pm

Hawks Fans talking about Demarr Johnson, JUST DAM

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BIG DOG

June 19th, 2012
12:14 pm

Hawks top 5 players

1. Terrence Jones SF and PF

2. Fab Melo C

3. Meyers Leonard C

4. Jefferey Taylor SF

5. Royce White SF

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

chuckw/deadjournalist

June 19th, 2012
12:15 pm

the most transferable skills for immediate returns for any college player: rebounding and defense. both of these things are things the hawks could use next season. draft someone that can do either or both at any position and go from there. with six players under contract, it isn’t like someone who could play from day-one, won’t.

MsDee

June 19th, 2012
12:17 pm

@AstroJoe “But isn’t that Austin Daye kid in Detroit a super-long and thin SF who hasn’t quite made an impact for a really bad team?”

Yea, but we arent a ‘bad team’. We made it to the playoffs at really good seatings the last 2 years. So if Q Miller can make a difference, than why not. We just need a more consistent SF who can make plays offensively and defensively regularly. Marvin has had his chances and would be great if we can move him but if we cant, I say, keep him coming off the bench since he HAS done better off the bench than starting.

cp

June 19th, 2012
12:17 pm

Wroten did a terrible job shooting the free throws once he got to the line. I see the talent I just dont think he’s the next Rondo like some keep comparing him too. And seeing how Tyreke hasnt gotten better since his rookie year I dont know if thats a comparison you want either.

BIG DOG

June 19th, 2012
12:18 pm

Will Josh be traded before the Draft ? Josh and # 23 for Tyreke and # 5

Make this deal in heart beat.

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Just Joe

June 19th, 2012
12:21 pm

cp…you wouldn’t want Tyreke Evans coming off your bench for cheap (salary rated for 23rd pick rather than 4th pick)?

MsDee

June 19th, 2012
12:21 pm

But Najeh did make a great point,

“In today’s NBA, which trends towards smaller and quicker players, I think they have to look at it in the opposite way. Is he quick enough to defend 3s and take 3s off the dribble at an NBA level? If not, he is a 4 whether he likes it or not, and he better find a way to put on that weight.”

We DONT need to draft Q Miller @ 23 if he cant defend SF at the NBA level, esp, if we could have drafted an Andrew Nick, Jeff Taylor, or Royce.

Astro Joe

June 19th, 2012
12:22 pm

MsDee, I have no problems with keeping marvin on the bench. Just saying that it is typically easier for a guy to contribute on a bad team than it is to find playing time on a good one.

I’d be THRILLED to get a Dermarr type at #23. Sign me up for that in a nano-second.

cp

June 19th, 2012
12:26 pm

Just Joe when you look at it that way then yea good point lol..Ms.Dee I dont think Royce or Nicholson can defend the 3 at the next level. Royce looks like a pf to me. Nicholson played the 4 but he isnt strong enough. Dude was getting man handled in the post at the combine. I dont know if he has the lateral quickness to play the 3. He looks like a stretch 4.

Mookie

June 19th, 2012
12:26 pm

Thank you MsDee.

BIG DOG

June 19th, 2012
12:26 pm

Teague, Joe, Barnes or Michael Kidd, Horford, Zaza

Pargo, Tyreke, Marvin, Ivan, Collins

Tyreke would be the six man of the year.

The More i look at this Michael Kidd he will be the next true super star in this league.

Barnes could be a star or the next Marvin that’s the big ?

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northcyde

June 19th, 2012
12:39 pm

@ chuck . . . Bingo.

That’s why guys like Dejuan Blair and Kenneth Faried who were overlooked by many teams, transitioned quite nicely into the NBA. They’re both 2 high energy guys ( especially on the boards ).

And that’s why I’m not concerned about a guy like Jeff Taylor. At the very least, he’s going to be able to guard most 2s and 3s in this league at an above average level. Despite Iman Shumpert’s jumper being erratic as hell at times, people who watched him in college at G Tech knew that his defensive abilities would transfer to the next level.

Slimjr

June 19th, 2012
12:43 pm

Andrew will get stronger.. At least he has great balance[unlike Marvin]

2nd rd pick? C’mon now….

KevinM

June 19th, 2012
12:46 pm

So QMiller to come in as a learning SF. No way LD starts him before Marvin. And where are you putting Josh? When Al says he’s a center?

Here we go again with thinking its Al and Josh on the inside, yet we know neither want to play the postions they need to for this team. So if we bring in QMiller, then we have another 3/4?

The ASG thinking is yes, we need to find a SF who is versatile and will fill in behind Josh, Al, Marvin & Ivan. Not sure I would commit 5 years to a guy whose health is in question.
Why does this sound like Anthony Randolph without a sure fit at a certain position?
Is the guy a rebounder? That is what we need more than potential.
How much better does he look than the other forwards coming in?

Slimjr

June 19th, 2012
12:48 pm

I believe the Hawks will not trade Josh for picks..They will let him play out this season then try and re-sign him at the end when he becomes an unrestricted free agent…

BIG DOG

June 19th, 2012
12:49 pm

What about Andre Drummond at pick #5

http://youtu.be/bNvdH5Bzz_Y

Hawks should make a strong push for him many draft expert have him going #6

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Slimjr

June 19th, 2012
12:53 pm

They probably want to see how this front line performs when healthy[ Josh,Al, and ZaZa] while playing with Jeff Teague and ISO….

BIG DOG

June 19th, 2012
12:54 pm

Teague, Tryeke, Joe, Hoford, Andre

Pargo, Gerald Green, Marvin, Ivan, Zaza

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chuckw/deadjournalist

June 19th, 2012
12:55 pm

clyde – agree wholeheartedly on taylor. and good teams – the ones that stay good – draft guys (or acquire) who can play now while and well with specific roles.

if all the pieces are back, there are needs all around. but i’d take a lock-down defender who goes all-out at the 2/3 as much as i would a rebounding/defensive minded 4/5.

Marcus

June 19th, 2012
12:56 pm

ditto northcyce … been on the Jeff Taylor train since the playoffs …
I would be madd at Melo, Nicholson, Royce White, or even Harkless if we develop them properly.
It will topple the 1st domino in what the future is for Josh, Marvin, Al and others, whether it is a position switch or change in location.

I would capitalize on the defensive development of the team and make that our persona.

MsDee

June 19th, 2012
12:56 pm

@cp,

Ok then what about Jeff Taylor?

PD

June 19th, 2012
12:57 pm

@Astro Joe, Austin Daye got stuck behind Tayshaun Prince and Jerebko. That teams has too many 6′9″ forwards. I think they should take one of the bigs. This team needs size more than anything. Try something new

MsDee

June 19th, 2012
12:57 pm

@cp,

Anyone is an upgrade over Marvin ‘Sorry’ Williams

MsDee

June 19th, 2012
12:58 pm

Wellllll..his defense was pretty decent

MsDee

June 19th, 2012
1:04 pm

@AstroJoe, “Just saying that it is typically easier for a guy to contribute on a bad team than it is to find playing time on a good one.”

Thats true but considering the fact that Hawks cant afford top players at the time, getting a good draft pick @23 plus the guys coming in from D-League would allow them a GREAT opportunity to be a rotational guy on the squad. Which would NOT be a bad idea for Atlanta cause all we REALLY need are some complementary pieces who can fill in nicely at SF, PG, and Center.

PD

June 19th, 2012
1:04 pm

@BIG DOG I would love them to trade Joe Johnson to the Kings to get Tyreke Evans. It would be awesome. The Kings have the cap space to take his deal.

Ra'mon

June 19th, 2012
1:05 pm

Wasn’t Rondo a top ten pick?

chuckw/deadjournalist

June 19th, 2012
1:07 pm

ra’mon – he was pick 21

northcyde

June 19th, 2012
1:11 pm

MsDee

June 19th, 2012
12:56 pm

@cp,

Ok then what about Jeff Taylor?

*****************

Listen to what they say about him during the draft combine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6stARckyjSk

Astro Joe

June 19th, 2012
1:16 pm

Ra’mon, no, somewhere around 22 if I remember correctly.