Atlanta Hawks: Assistant GM Dave Pendergraft on the draft

Hawks general manager Rick Sund gives much of the responsibility for the NBA draft to assistant GM Dave Pendergraft and director of basketball operations Mike McNieve.

Some excerpts from Pendergraft’s chat with reporters:

On having lots of open roster spots:

“That’s what I tell the [draft-eligible] players. Come July 1 we will have only six guys under contract. In a perfect world our 23rd pick becomes a rotational player and our 43rd pick will be talented enough to join our roster. That’s the best-case scenario. We feel like we will be able to get a good player at both positions.”

On chances of getting rotational-quality player with 23rd pick:

“That’s our hope. At 23 there are some guys that have potential and you have to wait on it and then there are several guys that might not have as much potential but you can put them in the game the first two or three years, whether it is four-year players or physically they are more mature. It’s just going to depend on who’s there. We would like to get a player that can come in and play for us next year.”

On if the potential 2013 free agency of Josh Smith and Zaza Pachulia will influence the selection:

“You always look to the future on the decisions you make. But rarely where you are picking where we are picking do you take a player on positioning. You take the best player, the best talent you can get at that time. You always look to the future and [if] there are two players that are basically equal talent and you feel just as good about then maybe you will look to the future and maybe for the organization this is the right thing to do. Not every year is the same. The decision that we make the last week in Thursday, it will be well thought out with [consideration of] the six players that we have [under contract], free agency in mind and the best player that we feel like is left on the board.”

On which college skills and production are good predictors of NBA success:

“Shooting and rebounding. Generally if you shoot well in college that’s an NBA skill that comes to the next level. And if you rebound the ball well in college that’s generally a skill that comes with you as well.”

On building a roster for summer league:

“We are an attractive destination just because of our roster spot. We’ve got some of the better players that were in the D-League last year. Statistically, they were some of the better players. We are going to wait and hold a couple spots to see who falls through the cracks in the draft like we always do. The good thing about this year’s summer program is there is a lot of interest in it.”

On if Sergiy Gladyr will join the summer league team:

“We don’t know yet. Pape Sy will. We will play him at a different position in the past. We experimented with moving him to the point but the learning curve wasn’t fair for him and his natural position is probably a two. We are going to bring him over and he will be involved with us this summer. Sergei, we don’t know. We are going back and forth with his agent. He has made strides in the ACB. But is he ready? We are not looking for future prospects in our summer program this year. In the past we said, ‘Let’s just bring him in and watch him for 10 days and maybe down the road there will be a future.’ Well, there is some urgency in our summer league this year because of the roster spots. That being said, Sergei may be two or three years down the road and maybe next summer will be the best opportunity for him.”

On if he can say which players have committed to the summer league team:

“Not yet because still holding a couple spots. We will release that when we get it solidified, which we think will be 24 hours after the draft. The bad news is none of our Hawk players are playing. Most teams have two or three of their guys in Vegas playing and we will have all rookies.”

On the predraft workout process:

“Usually we want to keep the last week of draft open. But because of scheduling conflict we go into the last week and have Monday and Tuesday of draft week open. That’s the unusual thing this year as opposed to the last three years. I think our numbers will be up because, although we’ve seen a lot of players at the New Jersey combine and the Minnesota combine, we wanted to be sure that the No. 23 pick would at least come to Atlanta at some point and time. So to facilitate the workout and including our 43rd pick our numbers are probably a little higher than usual.”

On how workout groupings are decided:

“It’s totally the availability of the players. We are not a lottery team so there are probably a pool of 15 players that teams are picking where we are will bring [them] in. Most of the workouts are coming after the predraft camp. You try to match up guard to guard and big to big and then a combination of both. . . . You try to make it that way but there are things you can’t control, the players can’t control, the agents can’t control. It’s hard to make it work out. ”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

211 comments Add your comment

glw

June 18th, 2012
5:07 pm

@Buddy Grizzard
I agree with you about Hinrich, he was underrated in what he did for the team. He wasnt worth what he was getting paid, but he made a solid contribution. I dont particularly care to draft Wroten, and Sy wouldnt be a rotational player, more like a situational player at best like Mario West was. Hinrich skill set would have to be replaced. I think Delonte West would be a cheaper alternative than Kirk.

UGA

June 18th, 2012
5:08 pm

Here is how the roster will fill out:

Guards: Pargo, Hinrich/Randy Foye, Tony Wroten
Wings: Josh Howard, David Lighty/Al Thorton/Damion James
Centers: Ryan Hollins/Collins, Butch

Astro Joe

June 18th, 2012
5:12 pm

When you see that Wroten gets to make the last impression on the coaching staff (coupled with Najeh’s previous “investigation” into Sund’s presence at the Huskies games), it kind of makes you believe that pick #23 is his to lose.

http://www.nba.com/hawks/2012-draft-prospect-bios

UGA

June 18th, 2012
5:15 pm

I like the Delonte West idea and maybe even Matt Barnes, but we tend to stay away from those with a troubled past/controversial.

UGA

June 18th, 2012
5:16 pm

I have never seen Wroten play. Know he can’t shoot but can get to the rim, which we need. Rondo use to not be able to shoot either……….

TMACfan

June 18th, 2012
5:39 pm

Hawks draft Wroten, we will end up with a star in 2 years.

TMACfan

June 18th, 2012
5:43 pm

The Hawks need to dump Mrs. Marvina Williams.

End of the story.

cp

June 18th, 2012
6:04 pm

Not being able to shoot is just one of many issues Wroten has. He cant go right, cant finish with his right, cant shoot free throws, and is a terrible decision maker. He gets to the rim and gets a lot of free throws he just cant knock them down when he gets there. The Hawks threw away a few games last season because of their inability to knock down free throws. If the Hawks could get Wroten in the second I would be fine with that but I wouldnt want him in the first. If Cleveland still wants Marvin just ask for their two second rounders. The Hawks could probably get Wroten early in the second, a big, and probably Cunningham. I think they will be taking a wing player at 23. I was watching Q Millers workoout video and he looks a lot better than he did at Baylor. He looks like he has changed his release on his shot too as it looks much higher. I still say dude is going to be a steal in the late 20’s. I see a Avery Bradley type situation. A guy who was highly ranked coming out of high school but didnt blow anyone away with his freshman year but ended up being great value late in the draft.

hawksfancents95

June 18th, 2012
6:18 pm

this years draft is the worst i can think of in recent memory. anthony davis will be a nba star for years, anthony davis=an intelligent javale mcgee. other than him i see maybe only a handful of guys that will be solid players(terrence jones,kidd-gilchrist,barnes,sullinger,zeller,rivers) we have nothing that can help us at #23. fab melo just because he would take the place of jason collins. i honestly wouldnt mind trading this pick to a team for that teams 1st rounder next year if a team wanted to move in. im more excited about our #43 pick, we should try for Kostas Papanikolaou. he lead the Olympiacos to a euroleague championship over andrei kirilenko and nene kristics russian team. my other possibilies that i think could come in and reliev some minutes would be tyshaun taylor from KU, kim english from MIZZ or darius miller from UK, all could make the team and contribute 5-15 mins a game. id like the pick of Kostas Papanikolaou because i think he could be a gem that is hiding in the second round and could potentially be a starter later in the season bringing marvin off the bench.

donte080

June 18th, 2012
6:20 pm

re: Fab Melo…

The dude couldn’t find his game in college, and yet so many here think he will find it in the NBA? Please name one player who stunk as much as Melo did in college and ended up being special in the NBA?

donte080

June 18th, 2012
6:27 pm

re: Woody don’t play rookies…

Not true. Josh Smith started 59 games as a rookie…Al Horford 77 games…Josh Childress played > 30 MPG as a rookie….

Teague didn’t play as a rookie because he wasn’t NBA ready out of college…physically or mentally.

Rufus1

June 18th, 2012
6:37 pm

The Bio you should read is…

Jared Cunningham (Oregon State, G, 6-4, 194)

•Concluded his collegiate career as the school’s 13th all-time in total points (1,271), second in steals (21(, thied in FTs made (427) and fifth in FTs attempted (566) … Cunningham owns 11 Oregon State records … A two-time Pac-12 All-Defensive Team member, he also took home All-Pac-12 honors as a sophomore (second team) and junior (first team) … he started in all 36 games for the Beavers as a junior, recording 17.9 ppg, 3.8 rpg and 2.8 apg (.450 FG%, .338 3FG%, .737 FT%) … Cunningham had a career-high 37 points last season against Texas … his quick hands led the conference in steals in back-to-back seasons, and he tied Gary Payton and current Hawks’ assistant coach Lester Conner for the second most steals in one season with 91 … his hometown is Oakland, CA … CAREER TOTALS – 13.0 points, 3.0 rebounds, 1.96 assists and 2.2 steals (.455 FG%, .344 3FG%, .754 FT%).

But… I think #23 is going to be Royce White if he is there. He doesn’t have a great jump shot, so he will spend his time on the block(imagine the Hawks with a player , who plays in the post).. If you doubt his skill.. Watch what he did to Terrance Jones/ Anthony Davis is the tournament. 6′8, 260lbs(of muscle), low post moves and can attack off the dribble(at the SF)… I want him

Cunningham in the 2nd round and Lavoy Allen in free agency… Allen will cost about $2-4 mill a season( an athletic center at 4 mill a season)

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20120618_Sixers__Williams_wants_to_stay_but_willl_test_market.html

TMACfan

June 18th, 2012
7:28 pm

A lot of people on this blog want another Power Forward. Do we really need another one of those??

KevinM

June 18th, 2012
7:54 pm

“Najeh Davenpoop

June 18th, 2012
2:50 pm
The fact that we are talking about Pape Sy like he is a key piece to next season says all you need to know about this team as currently constructed.”

Truer words have not been spoken on this blog.

Buddy, we can’t afford Kirk….at least to what Kirk thinks he’s worth. If Kirk was so worthy of a roster slot, why couldn’t we beat Boston more than 2 times?

We do as well with Kirk injured than being our starting SG. Kirk accomplishments as a Hawk are on quite a short list.

Sautee

June 18th, 2012
8:14 pm

“We do as well with Kirk injured than being our starting SG. Kirk accomplishments as a Hawk are on quite a short list.”

Maybe this will refresh your memory:

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/05/06/atlanta-hawks-reining-in-rondo/

High-sider

June 18th, 2012
8:24 pm

I see Sy is getting a second look by the Hawks organization. “Si o no” [yes or no], should Pape Sy get a second look? I say “si” [yes]; Sy should get a second look but only at the SF or SG positions. I see Sy as a possible defensive specialist like Tony Allen, Thabo Sefolosha or Damien Wilkins. If there is anyone in the Hawks organization that feels Sy could be a backup point guard for the Hawks, that individual should be dumped at sea for thinking [that] Sy could be a point guard. I’m referring to the Caribbean Sea – not the Caribbean Sy.

@Najeh Davenpoop

Crab dribble? I Sy – I mean I see you got jokes [too].

cp

June 18th, 2012
8:33 pm

They have a couple of videos of guys that worked out

http://www.nba.com/hawks/2012-draft-workout

Melvin

June 18th, 2012
8:47 pm

What a stupid award but most importantly, I can see Lin getting voting into the All-Star game as a starter b/c of his popularity.

“Brian Mahoney: Jeremy Lin wins NBA TV’s “Social Breakout Player of the Year.” Surely a huge boost headed into free agency. #Linsanity”

O'Brien

June 18th, 2012
9:00 pm

Guys,

I dont think Cleveland wants Marvin, unless we give them another desirable asset (like Zaza, or a future first).

O'Brien

June 18th, 2012
9:02 pm

From espn.com;

Ohio State Buckeyes big man Jared Sullinger has been medically red flagged by NBA doctors, multiple league sources told ESPN.com on Monday.

Sullinger, who is projected to be a lottery pick in the 2012 NBA draft, underwent a series of medical tests at the NBA draft combine a week ago. According to sources, the doctors who looked at Sullinger were concerned with Sullinger’s back.

A number of NBA team doctors have reviewed the information from the NBA and have told their front office staff that Sullinger’s back issues could shorten his NBA career and some have advised their teams not to draft him in the first round.

“He had a bulging area that was due to his hamstring and quads being so tight,” Satch Sullinger told ESPN.com senior college basketball writer Andy Katz in a phone call Monday afternoon. “It pulled on his hip flexor and he’s been taking care of it to loosen it. You can call it a red flag if you want. But it’s tight hamstring and tight quads. He’s been to doctors, he’s doing yoga and deep tissue massage. The flexibility is helping take the pressure off the area..

ep

June 18th, 2012
9:03 pm

Pau Gasol returns to his original team for Josh Smith?

Melvin

June 18th, 2012
9:31 pm

If I was the Hawks I would try to sign Brandon Roy and Greg Oden. They should be low cost, low risk and high reward type of guys if they can get/remain healthy.

cp

June 18th, 2012
9:46 pm

Oden says he wont play next season but Roy could be an option if he truly wants to play again. He has to accept a bench role though. I know he really didnt like coming off the bench for Portland although it was was to his benefit because of his knees.

TMACfan

June 18th, 2012
10:22 pm

I would sign Brandon Roy to be the sixth man. Super low risk, super high reward.

O'Brien

June 18th, 2012
10:55 pm

Melvin,

I would stay away from oden. But i would take a chance on roy.

Speaking of taking a chance, AJ was right. Despite many high profile interviews (sloan, brian shaw),bobcats reportedly hire st. Johns assistant HC mike dunlap to be their hc. Yes.that mike dunlap :twisted:

Melvin

June 18th, 2012
11:10 pm

The Bobcats had a list of head coaching candidates with veteran coaches included and they decided to hire a College assistant coach???? Whew, they may be worst off then the Hawks organization although they have a legendary owner…

Ra'mon

June 19th, 2012
12:13 am

O’B, are you familiar with Sullivan’s game? Would you take a risk on him with the hamstring concerns?

Ra'mon

June 19th, 2012
12:15 am

Buddy Grizzard

June 19th, 2012
12:21 am

“Hawks draft Wroten, we will end up with a star in 2 years.”

Rondo 2/1 assist-to-turnover ratio in college. Wroten 1/1 assist-to-turnover ratio in college. Yep, Wroten has star written all over him. Can’t shoot or dribble.

Buddy Grizzard

June 19th, 2012
12:24 am

Why do we need another guy who can’t dribble? We already have Pargo.

Buddy Grizzard

June 19th, 2012
12:26 am

“Are you familiar with Sullivan’s game? Would you take a risk on him with the hamstring concerns?”

He looked like the most out-of-shape player at the combine. Would take a risk on him in the second round.

Ra'mon

June 19th, 2012
12:26 am

Wroten is Sebastian Telfair. More hyped because of his playing style than what he’s really worth. He would do well under Doc Rivers or Pop. But under the Hawks? No way. PG in the NBA is the hardest position to learn. So if you’re drafting that far down in the draft, you either go for a wing player or a big, but not a point guard.

Grandad

June 19th, 2012
1:01 am

High-Sider

I think what Najeh is/was referring to is what I would call a:
” Power dribble ”

Usually referenced when teaching post moves.

Post player suares up to basket;
and simultaneously pounds the ball to the floor with both hands
while hopping off two feet and landing on two feet.
Properly used, the post player should be as low in stance as possible
as he initiates the move.
Also using two hand plus as low as possible keeps the defender from
digging the ball away.
*(many times Bigs are vulnerable due to dribbling to high)
As I noted last eve, the reaso for leaving off two feet allows you to
land because the ball is between dribbles.
Plus landing on two feet allows the post player the opportunity
to pivot after landing.

I`ve always referred to this as a Power dribble.

I think and I hope this is the same as Najeh was referring.
Evidently and or perhaps;
I did not see the move that is being debated.
However, I have heard the term ” crab dribble ” before.

Buddy Grizzard

June 19th, 2012
1:08 am

“Cunningham in the 2nd round and Lavoy Allen in free agency… Allen will cost about $2-4 mill a season( an athletic center at 4 mill a season).” – Rufus1

That’s really interesting. I remember reading about how much better the 76ers were in the playoffs with Allen on the floor. PHI is in major trouble trying to resign all their players. Iguodala shooting his mouth off and telling the media that Lou Williams “can’t guard anybody” may result in him signing with another team. He has already opted out of the last year of his contract to become a UFA.

Meanwhile they also need to resign Spencer Hawes who is a solid starting NBA center when healthy. I think PHI and CHI are going to take a major step back next season, CHI because of Rose’s recovery, PHI because they won’t be able to bring back all the players that got them as far as they went last year. The Hawks could benefit from this in the playoffs.

“Buddy, we can’t afford Kirk….at least to what Kirk thinks he’s worth. If Kirk was so worthy of a roster slot, why couldn’t we beat Boston more than 2 times?” – KevinM

It’s not what Kirk thinks he’s worth, it’s what other NBA teams think he’s worth that will make it hard for the Hawks to resign him. He may end up being the starting point guard for CHI next year. As for why we didn’t win more than 3 playoff games this year, I’ve talked at length about how the Hawks got destroyed in the 4th quarter of Game 3 while Kirk sat on the bench and watched JANNERO F’ING PARGO get WORKED OVER by Rondo. Do you think Pargo upped his value around the league with his playoff performance? No, he proved why he’s a minimum salary player. In fact, like Josh Powell last year, if the Hawks don’t offer Pargo a contract no other team will. The only reason he has a job in the NBA is because of his friendship with Joe Johnson. Otherwise, he’d be playing with Powell in the Puerto Rican league.

Pargo can’t pass, is one of the worst defenders in the NBA and his handle is so pathetic he can barely bring the ball up against playoff defense. And yet this is the guy Drew played in the 4th quarter of Game 3 while Kirk sat on the bench. Kirk isn’t going to give the Hawks a discount so he can come back and sit on the bench and watch Pargo blow more playoff games. He doesn’t have to. Kirk has value around the league. Pargo has none.

Buddy Grizzard

June 19th, 2012
1:17 am

“So if you’re drafting that far down in the draft, you either go for a wing player or a big, but not a point guard.”

We got our starting point guard at the bottom of the first round a few years ago. The difference between Teague and Wroten or Pargo and Wroten is that NBA-caliber players do not turn the ball over at the rate that Wroten does. Wroten is capable of making highlight passes like Rondo, but will he start ahead of Teague? No… Teague will start because he takes care of the ball. If the Hawks draft Wroten they will be hoping in 2-3 years he will have developed his handle enough to be Jannero Pargo.

Buddy Grizzard

June 19th, 2012
1:18 am

Grrr… meant to say “the difference between Teague and Wroten or RONDO and Wroten…”

cp

June 19th, 2012
1:24 am

Hollinger has his annual draft rater up and it apparently reads my mind because I’ve been locked on MKG for a while and have fallen in love with Waiters’ game. I’ve also thought Quincy Miller is a huge sleeper as well.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 … raft-rater

3. High-rated wings usually deliver

As I noted with Leonard a year ago, wing players — especially bigger ones — with strong Draft Rater marks virtually never fail. Of the eight players to rate above 13 in the past decade, the worst among them was Josh Childress. Five of the players have played in an All-Star Game, and Rudy Gay may play in an All-Star Game soon. The seventh player is Leonard.

This year, we have two names to add to that list: Dion Waiters and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Kidd-Gilchrist is probably the safest pick on the board — a big wing who plays defense, has strong stats and comes with no character questions. From a risk-aversion perspective alone he should be a top-five pick; I have him third on my board after Robinson. (See below for how I would rank the prospects, regardless of their Draft Rater numbers.)

I have Waiters fourth for similar reasons. His size, 6-foot-4, is more of a concern, but whatever team made him a promise did a wise thing. Waiters projects as the best small wing since Dwyane Wade, and he’d be a steal if somebody got him in the Nos. 8-10 range currently being discussed.

The other wing everybody is sleeping on is Quincy Miller of Baylor, who put up a strong mark despite coming off an ACL injury. He has more questions marks because of the knee and his bony build, but he is long and can score. The stories of him slipping have me baffled, because he rates as a top-10 pick.

Two other wings who will be drafted highly don’t rate as strongly: Beal and Harrison Barnes. Most players in their range turn out to be solid, but this part of the pool doesn’t produce many stars. I’d be more comfortable taking these two in the later part of the lottery.

cp

June 19th, 2012
1:43 am

Here is Hollingers ranking of guys in the draft this year for those who care to check it out

That’s right: It’s Draft Rater time. I’ve developed a tool that analyzes college stats to predict NBA performance and have refined it over the past several years. It’s something we can use to help identify draft steals and busts.

To review, last season was a pretty good one for the Rater. The 2011 pick with the top chance of success (Kyrie Irving) won Rookie of the Year, three other players it rated highly (Kawhi Leonard, Jon Leuer and Nikola Vucevic) provided great value for their draft position, and long-time favorite Daniel Green emerged as a starter on the West’s best regular-season team……

….As I noted with Leonard a year ago, wing players — especially bigger ones — with strong Draft Rater marks virtually never fail. Of the eight players to rate above 13 in the past decade, the worst among them was Josh Childress. Five of the players have played in an All-Star Game, and Rudy Gay may play in an All-Star Game soon. The seventh player is Leonard.

This year, we have two names to add to that list: Dion Waiters and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Kidd-Gilchrist is probably the safest pick on the board — a big wing who plays defense, has strong stats and comes with no character questions. From a risk-aversion perspective alone he should be a top-five pick; I have him third on my board after Robinson. (See below for how I would rank the prospects, regardless of their Draft Rater numbers.)

I have Waiters fourth for similar reasons. His size, 6-foot-4, is more of a concern, but whatever team made him a promise did a wise thing. Waiters projects as the best small wing since Dwyane Wade, and he’d be a steal if somebody got him in the Nos. 8-10 range currently being discussed.

Potential perimeter busts
One player that Draft Rater isn’t crazy about is Damian Lillard of Weber State, who compiled strong numbers but did so against a weak schedule and is much older than most of the prospects at his position. He not only failed to outrank the top point guards above but also rates behind the less-heralded Tyshawn Taylor of Kansas. No. 6 clearly seems a stretch for Lillard, who looks more like a mid-to-late first-rounder in this analysis.

On the wings, a few potential first-rounders also fare poorly. Moe Harkless of St. John’s had one of the worst ratings of any first-round prospect. While the error rate on one-and-done players has been higher, the difference between Harkless and the other lottery candidates is well outside the standard error of the Rater.

In addition to Harkless, first-round prospects John Jenkins and Jeffery Taylor of Vanderbilt fared poorly. Another first-round prospect from overseas, Evan Fournier of France, didn’t play in the Euroleague this year and thus has no projection. Subjectively, I’m not sold on him — he’s basically a slashing scorer who isn’t athletic enough to score that way in the NBA — but he at least has the benefit of being only 19.

One player gathering momentum is Kostas Papanikolaou of Greece, who shapes up as a solid second-round stash pick. Two other wing prospects — Austin Rivers and Terrence Ross — shape up about where we’d expect as mid-to-late first rounders, but after those two, the pool thins out quickly.

A final sleeper to watch is Maryland point guard Terrell Stoglin, another guy who would make a great second-rounder.

Perimeter Players: The Best
Name College/Country Rating
Dion Waiters Syracuse 14.12
Kendall Marshall North Carolina 13.84
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Kentucky 13.58
Marquis Teague Kentucky 13.18
Quincy Miller Baylor 12.94
Tony Wroten Washington 12.21
Bradley Beal Florida 11.65
Kostas Sloukas Greece 11.51
Harrison Barnes North Carolina 11.11
Will Barton Memphis 10.90
Doron Lamb Kentucky 10.65
Jeremy Lamb Connecticut 10.50

Perimeter Players: The Rest
Name College/Country Rating
Tyshawn Taylor Kansas 10.19
Austin Rivers Duke 9.85
Terrell Stoglin Maryland 9.82
Damian Lillard Weber State 9.75
Kostas Papanikolaou Greece 9.26
Terrence Ross Washington 9.12
Elias Harris Gonzaga 8.64
William Buford Ohio State 8.58
J’Covan Brown Texas 8.49
Jordan Taylor Wisconsin 8.19
Reggie Hamilton Oakland 8.18
Maalik Wayns Villanova 8.02
Hollis Thompson Georgetown 8.01
Tony Mitchell Alabama 7.91
Jae Crowder Marquette 7.90
Jared Cunningham Oregon State 7.76
John Jenkins Vanderbilt 7.76
Khris Middleton Texas A&M 7.68
Scott Machado Iona 7.57
Tornike Shengelia Republic of Georgia 7.33
Moe Harkless St. John’s 7.15
Tu Holloway Xavier 7.14
Orlando Johnson UC Santa Barbara 7.11
Darius Miller Kentucky 6.65
Jeffery Taylor Vanderbilt 6.59

7. Making my board
Knowing everything we know, here is how my board looks heading into draft day. This is taking into account everything from the Draft Rater as well as what we know about the players’ red flags, defensive pluses and minuses and one or two subjective calls:

1. Anthony Davis
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4. Dion Waiters
5. Andre Drummond

6. Quincy Miller
7. Jared Sullinger
8. Terrence Jones
9. John Henson
10. Royce White

11. Bradley Beal
12. Harrison Barnes
13. Tony Wroten
14. Kendall Marshall
15. Marquis Teague

16. Draymond Green
17. Jeremy Lamb
18. Damian Lillard
19. Austin Rivers
20. Doron Lamb

21. Furkan Aldemir
22. Will Barton
23. Tyler Zeller
24. Evan Fournier
25. Tyshawn Taylor

26. Meyers Leonard
27. Terrence Ross
28. Perry Jones
29. Festus Ezeli
30. Fab Melo

31. Kostas Sloukas
32. Henry Sims
33. Terrell Stoglin
34. Kostas Papanikolaou
35. Moe Harkless

36. Leon Radosevic
37. JaMychal Green
38. Andrew Nicholson
39. Drew Gordon
40. Garrett Stutz

41. Robert Sacre
42. Arnett Moultrie
43. Elias Harris
44. William Buford
45. Jae Crowder

46. Jared Cunningham
47. Jordan Taylor
48. John Jenkins
49. Orlando Johnson
50. Jeffrey Taylor

51. Quincy Acy
52. Maalik Wayns
53. Tornike Shengelia
54. Scott Machado
55. Mike Scott

56. J’Covan Brown
57. Reggie Hamilton
58. Khris Middleton
59. Tony Mitchell
60. Miles Plumlee

Buddy Grizzard

June 19th, 2012
2:04 am

PS I’m on board with going after Brandon Roy.

Buddy Grizzard

June 19th, 2012
2:18 am

Wonder what all the Jeff Taylor fans have to say about that, cp. Also, unbelievable how high Hollinger has Wroten ranked… ahead of Marshall, Teague, Lillard and Rivers.

Just Joe

June 19th, 2012
6:40 am

So in Hollinger’s mind, and based on who’s expected to be there, our top 5 draft board should be Quincy Miller, Royce White, Tony Wroten, Marquis Teague, and Draymond Green. Those players fit positions of need (Backup PG and SF). All of them except Teague are scheduled to workout for the Hawks.

northcyde

June 19th, 2012
6:56 am

Hollinger had Kenneth Faried ranked #29 on his Draft Rater last year. Isaiah Thomas ( Sacramento’s PG ) didn’t even rank in his top 40. Nor did Marshon Brooks ( who went toe to toe vs Joe Johnson in the 3 meetings vs the Hawks )

As far as Jeff Taylor goes, he’s at best going to be a Shane Battier type of player. There are very few stars in this draft. Taylor is simply an elite level athlete who can defend on the perimeter and make an open jumper. That’s actually a need on this team.

northcyde

June 19th, 2012
7:03 am

Rod from College Park

June 18th, 2012
3:55 pm

BIG DOG,

“who in there right mind would continue 2 starte Marvin after watching him for past 6years do nothing, JUST DAM”

The key words in your sentence are right mind. Northcyde in a fantasy basketball player. He does not look at the games. Everything he does is based on fantasy. So actually he is not in his right mind.

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. . . . said the FANBOY of a player that only provides fantasy type stats . . once every 4 games.

Haha @ the way this dude always has my name in his mouth. Ima buy him a Jamal Crawford blow up doll for Christmas.

northcyde

June 19th, 2012
7:11 am

BIG DOG

June 18th, 2012
3:00 pm

pointguardslim – Why Northcyde always have Marvin starting ? is Northcyde and enemy of Hawks or what, who in there right mind would continue 2 starte Marvin after watching him for past 6years do nothing, JUST DAM

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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It is what it is Big Dog. As glw eloquently stated, Marvin is the starter by default. And even if he doesn’t start, that dude is probably playing 25 – 30 minutes a game, if this team stays “as is”, so he may as well start.

I’m not a fan at all of starting Josh Smith at SF, because it will weaken us both offensively and defensively. You keep Smith around the rim on both ends of the floor, not out on the perimeter.

KevinM

June 19th, 2012
7:41 am

If its up to LD, we’re going with an older college guy. How much input does LD have? Well, he somehow convinced everyone that Sy was a good prospect to guarantee money to.

And Buddy, I didn’t say that Kirk was horrible, because he wasn’t. But does he really make us better? If so, why is he always played so limited? I just don’t think he and Teague are a strong backcourt. I would leave Joe and Teague there, and hire me a shooter that can put points on the board. Kirk isn’t a scorer, at all.

Kirk will be fortunate to get Tony Allen money, which is 2 years/6M. The ASG can’t afford Kirk because they have Marvin and Joe taking in any excess salary there might be. Tell Marvin to cut his pay enough to bring back Kirk and I am fine with it.

An interesting tabulation put together by an NBA numbers nerd David Berri who suggests that here is a Top 10 of most overpaid in the NBA:

Berri’s Top 10:

10. Tyrus Thomas, Charlotte Bobcats (overpaid by $12,459,225)
9. Deron Williams, Brooklyn Nets (overpaid by $12,784,867)
8. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks (overpaid by $12,851,295)
7. Corey Maggette, Charlotte Bobcats (overpaid by $12,862,248)
6. Mehmet Okur, Brooklyn Nets (overpaid by $12,988,657)
5. Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets (overpaid by $14,613,480)
4. Amar’e Stoudemire, New York Knicks (overpaid by $14,918,309 )
3. Antawn Jamison, Cleveland Cavaliers (overpaid by $17,402,350)
2. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers (overpaid by $19,693,258)
1. Rashard Lewis, Washington Wizards (overpaid by $21,167,231)

I was shocked not to see Joe in that list….he has to be Top 15 then.
Marvin has to be up the list as well.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/06/17/report-bryant-nowitzki-among-nbas-most-overpaid/

KevinM

June 19th, 2012
7:48 am

Add one guy to my draft wish list at 23 if Doron Lamb isn’t there: Wil Barton. This guy was very highly rated going into college, and he shows good rebounding numbers. I think he can play the 2 or 3 and that might be beneficial here being asked to spell Joe for a few minutes.
If you want the combo guard, go Doron Lamb.
If you want the combo SG/SF, go Wil Barton.

I think both will be contributors next season even if it is in small doses.

Would anyone be surprised to see Jared Sullinger there at 23? He reminds me of DeJuan Blair (knees) and all the concerns with his frame. Blair went 2nd round.

KevinM

June 19th, 2012
7:51 am

“I’m not a fan at all of starting Josh Smith at SF, because it will weaken us both offensively and defensively. You keep Smith around the rim on both ends of the floor, not out on the perimeter.”

northcyde, why can’t the frickin’ coaching staff and the GM see that? Is it really that difficult to grasp where Josh is needed most? If he continues his jump shooting, he won’t help much against Miami. They have a couple of guys there who can neutralize anything he does.
Because shouldn’t the goal be to improve against Miami of all teams?

What’s the worse kind of team Miami has to play against?

O'Brien

June 19th, 2012
8:02 am

Ra’mon,

If Sullinger falls to 23, I would seriously consider taking a chance on him (depending on his physical of course).

Melvin,

The Dunlap hire reminds me of the Lon Kruger hire.

Fans on the Charlotte radio station are killing the move, especially after it was alleged that the reason Brian Shaw wasn’t hired was because he wanted too much money, and MJ refused to pay a first year HC what Shaw wanted.

O'Brien

June 19th, 2012
8:06 am

From Mark Bradley,

Here you’re saying, “The Hawks aren’t as good as the teams playing for the NBA title — this is news?” Well, no. But I’m guessing we’ll be hearing very soon that the Hawks have decided to give it one more go with their Core Four, and I can’t see staying that course having much upside. As is, the Hawks aren’t quite talented enough or committed enough to matter.

But the lasting impression of the Hawks — under both Woodson and Drew — is of a team that never has fully believed it’s cut from championship cloth. It knows it has no LeBron, no Durant, no Dwyane Wade, no Westbrook. The Core Four, together since 2007, knows full well that it’s capable of going so far but no further, and it also knows that its management pales alongside Miami’s or OKC’s or San Antonio’s or Boston’s or Chicago’s or the Lakers’ or …OKC, you get the point. You get the point better than I do. Because there are some nights — like March 3, when the Hawks beat the Thunder without Horford and Joe Johnson — when I think, “You know, if this team played like that every night …”

But that’s the thing: This team doesn’t play like that every night, and as constituted it never will. And I can’t really see this front office, with Sund or without, making the bold moves needed to step up in class. I see only more of the Core, of which we’ve already seen too much..

http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2012/06/18/watch-the-nba-finals-youll-see-why-the-hawks-arent-there/

O'Brien

June 19th, 2012
8:16 am

High-sider, Rod,

If you had a choice of Jamal, Jason Terry, and Lou Williams, who would you take?