Atlanta Hawks: Draft prospects scheduled for workouts
The Hawks released a list of prospects scheduled to participate in workouts at Philips Arena from June 16-26 in preparation for the June 28 NBA draft. The Hawks own the No. 23 and 43 overall picks.
Below is the schedule, along with links to the players’ DraftExpress.com profiles. The sessions are closed to media but the Hawks said they would make players available for interviews following their workouts.
The Hawks have already evaluated prospects at pre-draft camps in New Jersey, Minnesota and Chicago.
June 16
Kris Joseph, F, Syracuse, Sr.
Doron Lamb, G, Kentucky, So.
Quincy Miller, F, Baylor, Fr.
June 17
Jared Cunningham, G, Oregon State, Jr.
John Jenkins, G, Vanderbilt, Jr.
June 19
Draymond Green, F, Michigan State, Sr.
Darius Miller, F, Kentucky, Sr.
June 20
Will Barton, G, Memphis, So.
William Buford, G, Ohio State, Sr.
Eric Griffin, F, Campbell, Sr.
Khris Middleton, F, Texas A & M, Jr.
Jeffery Taylor, F, Vanderbilt, Sr.
Hollis Thompson, F, Georgetown, Jr.
June 21
Miles Plumlee, F, Duke, Sr.
Garrett Stutz, C, Wichita State, Sr.
June 22
Kevin Jones, F, West Virginia, Sr.
Andrew Nicholson, F, St. Bonaventure, Sr.
Mike Scott, F, Virginia, Sr.
Royce White, F, Iowa State, So.
June 23
Festus Ezeli, C, Vanderbilt, Sr.
Scott Machado, G, Iona, Sr.
Fab Melo, C, Syracuse, So.
Henry Sims, F, Georgetown, Sr.
June 24
Jae Crowder, F, Marquette, Sr.
Moe Harkless, F, St. John’s, Fr.
June 26
Tyshawn Taylor, G, Kansas, Sr.
Tony Wroten, G, Washington, Fr.
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BIG DOG
June 13th, 2012
1:28 pm
Ray – Wake up Bro Josh want out and is not coming back.
You can’t tell me if the Hawks get Lopez with Zaza backing up at center that this team will not be better ?
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Astro Joe
June 13th, 2012
1:36 pm
Actually, drafting a Euro player and stashing him overseas could easily be something the Hawks consider. They won’t have to pay him until he comes here and they would still meet the requirement of making a draft selection. (I’m just thinking about the balance sheet people, not speaking as a fan who wants them to add talent to the roster).
MsDee
June 13th, 2012
1:42 pm
BIG DOG,
How about you #3, Josh for Gay Grizzles, but Joe instead of Josh for your #5. I would do that in a heartbeat while keeping Teague, Horford AND our #23 pick for the best avaliable SF to replace Marvin or SG to back up Teague..and vice versa at our #43 pick. I love that image just thinking about it!!
BIG DOG
June 13th, 2012
1:56 pm
MsDee – How about Josh for Ellis and Bucks #12 and Hawks Draft Meyers Leonard.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
1:58 pm
NC – The only problem with putting ‘Bron and DWade on Durant is that he is elusive and young. LeBron and Wade would have to expend alot of energy on D, and not have very much left for O.
Westbrook would also eat Chalmers for Breakfast, lunch, supper and snacks every possesion, pass to the open Ibaka or Collison, or Harden ditching the aging Battier, and that would be that.
The difficult thing about OKC is it’s not a 2 man show. They can and have (see San Antonio) beat teams many different ways.
That’s why I picked them as champs – no holes. Anywhere – unless you wanted to say low post scoring.
Put DWade and ‘Bron on Durant – he stands 35 ft from the basket on 1 side. Then you play 4 on 3 all nite with Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Collison/Perkins against Chalmers, Battier, and Bosh.
Miami gets destroyed. Spoelestra knows this. LeBron knows this. Dwade knows this.
If that was Miami’s best shot last nite, they are in biiiiig trouble.
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
2:02 pm
Grandad – Only 2 scenarios I want ATL drafting Adam Nicholson (rhymes with Keefe – joking) is:
1) If he can play the 3 or 5 legit – not just in spots. We have enough 4’s
2) If he’s the best available player left at #23. I say always draft the best available player, regardless of position. Then you at least have a valuable asset to trade.
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
2:05 pm
The Nets GM was asked why would he trade a lottery pick, only Top 3 protected, for Gerald Wallace – he said there were only 3 guys they liked in the draft.
So Northcyde may be right about this fool’s gold thing.
Or the Nets GM may be really wrong.
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
2:06 pm
2 things can beat OKC – An injury or they mentally start celebrating early.
Miami cannot beat them otherwise.
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
2:07 pm
Miami gets 2 Bigs in the off season – they will be stronger even with DWade declining.
But I still don’t think they beat OKC.
And if Maynor comes back healthy, all the better for OKC.
BIG DOG
June 13th, 2012
2:07 pm
Teague, Joe, Terrence Jones, Horford, Meyers Leonard
Pargo, Ellis, Marvin, Ivan, Zaza
Ellis would be the 6TH man of year, he would be the Hawks new Jamal Crawford.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
2:10 pm
The 2 teams that can beat OKC next season as of right now – Memphis and maybe Denver. Depends on the moves that are made in the off season – could be more.
George Karl just did an interview where he asked his GM to get him some more vets, and a few less young guys. Said they were out of balance, but he’d leave it up to the GM and team President.
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
2:11 pm
Josh is a vet – Faried is a young guy – Josh for Faried and Chandler? We discussed this several days ago – some were for it.
JayD
June 13th, 2012
2:35 pm
Hawks need to get bigger. Most mocks have Melo still there…. Hard to pass on him. Already an upgrade from Twin… not saying much.
MsDee
June 13th, 2012
2:46 pm
Big Dog,
Not sure if the Bucks would go for Josh considering the fact that the Bucks fans dont like Josh and he would NEVER sign as extention with them, whereas, their fans would love Joe since he always put on a show in front of them.
JustSayinB
June 13th, 2012
3:07 pm
RE: Dawgnole
The thing about this entire discussion is that the Hawks are not following any “model”. The owners are simply going through the motions as cheaply as possible until the Hawks are sold. There is no long range plan, there is no attempt to improve.
Why keep a coach before securing a GM? Horrible, Horrible management The people on this blog put more effort into planning for this team than the management.
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No surprise here. This is an unfortunate but accurate reflection of ATL’s pro sports history.
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Exactly well said; even M. Cunningham is scratching his head. The bottom line is this: NOBODY CARES ANYMORE what the Hawk do or do not do. Just as long as they (myself) included-can watch it free on tv…ya think? It’s just entertainment to me-and that’s what is obvious is-to the Hawks organization: put on a good show, try to win games, and hope just to make the playoffs. That’s all folks. It’s about the NBA Finals anyway, and after that some WNBA, but focusing on football.
go-BRAVOS
June 13th, 2012
3:10 pm
I feel sorry for any player drafted by the Hawks. The player will never have a shot at a Championship and will not be developed by the coaches.
Whoever is drafted I say, Welcome to loserville, where mediocrity is the goal.
Athenzdawg
June 13th, 2012
3:21 pm
please get a real center please get FAB!!!
donte080
June 13th, 2012
3:32 pm
Stephen A…..
Again, you have no clue. Johnson is not a bad defensive player at all. I understand you hate his contract, but you don’t seem to have the emotional maturity to be able to separate the player from the moola….
doc
June 13th, 2012
3:32 pm
o’b, or he was incompetent or just a smoke screen guy. did you ever listen to him? he was the cover for bk’s inability to be civil or paint the asg in a better light during the court cases. shortly after the court case was complete he was let go and the incompetent boob hockey gm was promoted to take the team to the market.
northcyde
June 13th, 2012
3:55 pm
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
2:05 pm
The Nets GM was asked why would he trade a lottery pick, only Top 3 protected, for Gerald Wallace – he said there were only 3 guys they liked in the draft.
So Northcyde may be right about this fool’s gold thing.
Or the Nets GM may be really wrong.
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SteveW . . . some of these GMs are idiots. But ALL of them aren’t. There are too many lottery teams trying to trade their pick for established talent, for me to believe that this is a “deep draft”.
Most of these guys are role playing starters or bench guys at best. So you got lottery teams dangling their picks to Luxury Tax teams or cash strapped teams, in hopes that the team will give them a good, established player for that pick.
Those non-playoff teams do not want to wait for these kids in the draft to develop into quality players. They want a quality player NOW.
- Anthony Davis
- Thomas Robinson
- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
- Jeremy Lamb
- Terrence Ross
Those are the 5 that are probably most “NBA Ready”. You got too many guys who need to work on NBA essential aspects of their game, respective to their position.
A guy like Mo Harkess is good. But he’s “good” in a Chris Singleton defensive player type of good. He can’t shoot well enough to be a “stretch the floor” SF, so he’ll have to be a slasher on the next level. If he gets exposed defensively, that kid could get buried on the bench.
It’s going to be a lot of teams mad at their draft picks in this draft, come 2015.
Grandad
June 13th, 2012
3:57 pm
SteveW
Nicholson will be the Best Available “outside the lottery” !
The shooting analysis has not been released yet;
I have Nicholson in my top “8″.
Understand that I do not have any wing shooters ranked yet !
Obviously, the shooting analysis will push him down somewhat;
behind the very best [2] guards and some quicker [3`s]
who can shoot with range (e.g. MKG).
I have watched extensive film:
this kid has the best footwork to come out of college
in a long, long, while.
Also he is w/o a doubt the most intelligent youngster in the draft.
Plus rangy & versatile.
This kid will be a steal !
I would take him over PJ III or Moultrie
simply due to their ‘ lack ‘ of a Motor.
One cannot re-charge a ” dead ” battery.
O'Brien
June 13th, 2012
4:09 pm
BIG DOG,
Many ways the Hawks could go in trading Josh.
1. Josh for Lopez in a straight up deal..
Despite being 7’0”, 265 pounds, and a starting center, Lopez only averaged 4 rebounds per game this past season. I know he was injured, but still…Unacceptable for a starting center.
2. Josh and # 23 for Tyreke and Kings #5.
I don’t think Sacramento will give up their 5th pick for a guy who will only play with them for one season, and then leave as a FA. The better trade is what Melvin proposed (Al for Tyreke and #5).
3. Josh for Gay Grizzles say there not trading him but rumor is still out there he may gone..
Josh is on the books for $13.2 mil, while Gay will make over $16 mil. I doubt the ASG wants to pick up extra salary to pay a SF, while still paying Marvin $7.5+ mil.
4. Josh for Gasol i hate this trade because of Gasol age 32..
The salaries don’t match up, so it would have to be Josh and Marvin for Gasol.
5. Josh for Ellis and Bucks #12.
Ellis for JJ I would do, but Josh for Ellis and #12? I don’t like that deal.
northcyde
June 13th, 2012
4:09 pm
The trading of JJ talk is funny.
When it comes to Josh, people want something tangible back for him. But when it comes to JJ, they’d trade him for a Yugo, just to get out from under the contract. It’s backwards thinking in my opinion.
Grandad
June 13th, 2012
4:11 pm
I prefer to look at what youngsters have actually accomplished
with what gifts have been given them.
-rather-
Than, try to envision potential
that may or may not be there if properly motivated.
Who`s to say that previous coaches have not done
all that could be done referencing motivation with these lazy kids
[ones who seemingly do not have a motor].
Why not call it like it is – they are lazy. = PJ III; Moultrie; etc.
Everyone thinks they are the ones who can turn that kid around !
Yeah – myself included ! … It don`t work … neither do they.
Watch the kids play.
See what they have actually accomplished.
Factor in their skill.
Then look at their ceiling !
Whether or not there is room for growth ?
*This is Important:
*’`note the Intangibles`’* !!!
G-dad the scout
editor`s note – all this and stll no one bats a 1.000.
Ray
June 13th, 2012
4:19 pm
@ Northcyde
I want to trade JJ, but I’m willing to take on Monta Ellis, another player and the #12 pick if we trading him. Honestly I don’t think it’s all that bad.
@ BIG DOG
Again Josh won’t leave if ASG does what they are suppose to do IN A SMART WAY can’t stress that enough.
We’ve always said the difference between Falcons and Hawks ownership they are smart about how they spend their money.
O'Brien
June 13th, 2012
4:19 pm
I know the Hawks cannot trade their 1st round pick this year (because they traded it last year). However, can they trade the pick as long as they get a 2012 1st round draft pick back?
Richard Denson
June 13th, 2012
4:27 pm
Draft either Moe Harkless, Quincy Miller or Fab Melo in the First.
Draft either J’Covan Brown (to replace Hinrich @ combo guard), Mike Scott for Virginia, Drew Gordon for NMSU or Kevin Jones to add more depth to the PF slot with Al Horford & Ivan Johnson
Expect J-Smoove to move over to SF with his improved jump shot and Marvin becoming more & more expendable. Also Expect the Hawks to address their Center problems in free agency. (Chris Kaman, Omer Asik, Mehmet Okur, Spencer Hawes, etc.)
Grandad
June 13th, 2012
4:39 pm
northcyde
I surmise the thinking amongst the blog intelligentsia is;
that Joe`s trade value is so low
that he might not even be worth a Yugo in return.
My thinking is;
Joe would have value in a pkg with another young plyr [Teague].
Therefore the question becomes;
can we – afford to / or not to – trade Joe ?
Obviously;
any trade of this nature would be intricate and involve either simultaneous
or subsequent moves by an intelligent forward thinking non-retiree of a GM.
One who would be thinking ahead -not only- as to how to replace Joe;
but Jeff as well.
Therein lies the problemo`.
We have toooo much of thisama and not near enough of thatama.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 13th, 2012
4:42 pm
“When it comes to Josh, people want something tangible back for him. But when it comes to JJ, they’d trade him for a Yugo, just to get out from under the contract. It’s backwards thinking in my opinion.”
Joe is declining, kills the cap, and doesn’t deliver enough bang for the buck. Josh is not declining, doesn’t kill the cap, and lives up to at least his current deal, if not his upcoming one. Pretty easy distinction.
Grandad
June 13th, 2012
4:44 pm
I think Meyers Leonard will be gone before # 12.
His stock is rising rapidly.
Right now – my guess is as high as # 6 & low being #10.
Just Joe
June 13th, 2012
4:59 pm
I think the logical “combination” that would increase Joe’s trade value would be to package him with ZaZa. Think about a team like Milwaukee. They need a center in the worst way. ZaZa also has a history there and would likely give consideration to re-signing there.
Bob
June 13th, 2012
5:49 pm
Doesn’t matter who they draft. Even with LaBron, Kylie, KG, and Derrick, the Hawks are still the Hawks. Doesn’t even matter who the manager is…they are a tradition in mediocrity. Just my learned opinion.
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
6:01 pm
Reading some good stuff on Hoopsworld yesterday:
- ZaZa continues to rehabilitate. No putting pressure on the foot until next month (written June 1st I believe). Doing yoga, weights and aerobic.
They think Andre Miller moved to beyond mid-level money. Amazing if it’s true for a 36 year old PG.
Jason Kidd can probably be had for mid-level, and there are teams out there willing to pay it – Chicago and GSW being two.
Hinrich is still considered a starter in the FA market.
Interesting…
darrell starks
June 13th, 2012
6:02 pm
Ray, That right keep Josh if stay that’s good if he leave so what 13mill of the cap next summer.
Draft Melo with #23 it only make since with Zaza contract coming 2 and end next season, Fab is a good young center who could defend the paint better than any one in this draft, and also a legit center.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
June 13th, 2012
6:04 pm
2012 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTERS TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, ZAZA
BENCH PARGO, GERALD GREEN, MARVIN, IVAN, MELO
RESERVE GREEN, TMAC, COLLINS
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
6:18 pm
If we could get the Cavs to give us picks 33 and 34 for Marvin’s contract, I’d probably do that at this point.
Or GSW with picks 30 and 35
OB – Yes, you can trade your 1st pick, as long as you have a 1st pick at least every other year. So we probably trade down for GSW’s 30th pick and stay within the letter of the law.
Like Gearon said we had never even considered selling our 1st pick – so we trade down the 24th pick for 27 and 31 (the 1st pick in the 2nd round), and sell #31.
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
6:21 pm
OB – And of course I’m being maybe a little facetious about trading our 23 for GSW’s 30 and 35 or something. Maybe…
SteveW
June 13th, 2012
6:29 pm
OB – Here is the germane part of the Ted Stepien rule concerning draft picks:
“Also, a team can remain in compliance with the rule by acquiring a first-round pick that originally belonged to another team.”
Source: Wikepedia
cp
June 13th, 2012
7:51 pm
Harkless looks a lot better than Singleton. I never understood the love for him on this board anyway.
dustin
June 13th, 2012
7:52 pm
trade josh smith for a center or trade for a wing defender and to move up in the second to take a center, and draft tony wroten in the 1st hes a legit pg/sg combo
cp
June 13th, 2012
7:53 pm
@SteveW. I was going to say that the Hawks should call the Cavs and see if they still want Marvin. If so just ask for their two second round pics in exchange.
"Basketball Gawd"
June 13th, 2012
8:00 pm
There are plenty of legit centers in this draft that will be available at 23. Melo is a project, very athletic, but has no offensive game with only half a year of experience. Henry Sims is the man! Not extremely athletic, but decent post game, blocks shots, and extremely high bball IQ, at 43 pick the best player available…i.e Scott Machado
shonuff
June 13th, 2012
8:59 pm
Im amazed at the illogical thinking of the AL Horford supporters who are trying to avoid the inevitable trade of Al Hoford by trying to shift every body out of position.
a) Al is amongst the weakest defenders in the post. More so, because he has a passive attitude about defense that lacking the ability to play defense.
b) Josh Smith is our power forward and one of the very best in the NBA both offensively and defensively. So why in the name of wisdom, would you want to move Josh from the post and to put him on the wing to
1) shoot from the perimeter as a small forward
2) take him from the post play of the power forward where he is a great shot block, defender and rebounder
3) Put in Al who is not in Josh’s league offensively or defensively. Why would you move to lower the level of talent at the power forward to accommodate Al while weakening the position.
c) If you want to mess up the chemistry of this team. Force Josh out of his position to make room for a player who has less ability than him. That stirs internal strife, makes the hawks a weaker team offensively and defensively, and is insulting enough for Josh to ask for a trade to a team thats serious about winning.
The best solution is to trade AL HORFORD, for Gasol, Bynum Dwight Howard or any other .real impact center. It keeps us with one of the best power forward in the game in his position, (Al would be rated some where from 17th to 23rd, Josh easily in the top 4) and it strengthens us at the center position with the type of talent that will allow us to take it to the next level, instead of backsliding with the mediocrity of Al’s play.
Al has 12+ Million dollars that he is getting paid to put up 12pts and 8 rebs. Take Al’s 12 million and put that with Marvin’s 6.7Million and you have 20 million dollars to land any franchise changing center out there.
This is a no brainer people We can do this. We can get D12, Bynum or any other major center. Dont settle of the Mediocrity called AL HOFORD.
Ray
June 13th, 2012
9:05 pm
@ snonuff
I’d like move Josh Smith to SF because of his frame and size dude is 6′8 or 6′9 225 that’s Kevin Durants Weight now compare that to Amare, Horford, Duncan, Pau, Kevin Love, and others
Those guys are 6′10 or higher and weights can range from 230-260 or 280 depending.
Horford can handle those guys better cause he matches up with them better just like Josh can handle the SF’s except Durant and Lebron(we will see if he moves to SF full time).
Ray
June 13th, 2012
9:11 pm
Josh is more athletic then these guys sure, but when athleticism doesn’t matter then we got a problem.
That’s why I’d rather us Keep Al Horford then dump him so easily.
I use to bash Al Horford as well last year after the Chicago loss, but I can’t do so this year why because the main thing is he was injured 2/3’s of the entire season only to come back in the first round for like 3 games fully if at all.
If we had a lineup of Teague, Johnson, Josh, Horford, and Zaza we’d do a lot more damage to most people than what we currently go with.
Astro Joe
June 13th, 2012
9:27 pm
You have to love the posts that call Horford mediocre followed (n the very same post) by a suggestion we trade him for a top 20 player. Horford is average but we can trade him for one of the best centers in the game?
Grandad, I just noticed that Henry Sims is not even projected to be drafted in the 2nd round by DraftExpress. How is that possible? Have you chjecked him out yet? Supposedly a very worthy prospect to be considered late in the first round/early second round. Good size, athleticism, shot-blocking skills and passing. Just needs to improve his rebounding from what I have read.
doc
June 13th, 2012
9:40 pm
folks zaza has a stress fracture that they are bringing along slowly. chills had two in one year. they missed the dignosis or misnamed it for the press and to be coy with the competition is my guess.
wish we had picked up andre about fouryears ago on a four year instead of bibby a sure fire waste. cst us first rounders and came at a price for one year that jj hasnt reached yet. only could the basg misuse assets like this.
doc
June 13th, 2012
9:44 pm
aj, there are certified psychotic and/or obsessive compulsives on this blog. there is no way to reason with them.
DawgNole
June 13th, 2012
10:05 pm
doc
June 13th, 2012
11:29 am
aj where is sund going?
and why isnt this organization trying to pull in a guy like walsh to be president of basketball operations and hire a gm to oversee?
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Because that actually might be logical and lead to playoff success. Heaven forbid.
Rufus1
June 13th, 2012
10:16 pm
The Hawks are not drafting Melo at #23…
He doesn’t have the offensive game of Keith Benson and Benson is equal the shot blocker….. and you see what happened to him.
There are too many BIGS in this draft that will be around in the 2nd for the Hawks to draft Melo…
Sims, Plumlee, Sacre and Fetus… those are just the ones in the draft.
The Hawks are going to draft the best skilled player at the SG or SF…Unless someone slips.
Taylor, Cunningham, White, Barton, Green or Harkless…
I think Barton is the favorite…Barton has the size, length, and athleticism of a prototypical NBA wing, he can get to the hole, rebound and defend…. Plus, we have enough jump shooter, we need a SLASHER.