Atlanta Hawks: Draft prospects scheduled for workouts
The Hawks released a list of prospects scheduled to participate in workouts at Philips Arena from June 16-26 in preparation for the June 28 NBA draft. The Hawks own the No. 23 and 43 overall picks.
Below is the schedule, along with links to the players’ DraftExpress.com profiles. The sessions are closed to media but the Hawks said they would make players available for interviews following their workouts.
The Hawks have already evaluated prospects at pre-draft camps in New Jersey, Minnesota and Chicago.
June 16
Kris Joseph, F, Syracuse, Sr.
Doron Lamb, G, Kentucky, So.
Quincy Miller, F, Baylor, Fr.
June 17
Jared Cunningham, G, Oregon State, Jr.
John Jenkins, G, Vanderbilt, Jr.
June 19
Draymond Green, F, Michigan State, Sr.
Darius Miller, F, Kentucky, Sr.
June 20
Will Barton, G, Memphis, So.
William Buford, G, Ohio State, Sr.
Eric Griffin, F, Campbell, Sr.
Khris Middleton, F, Texas A & M, Jr.
Jeffery Taylor, F, Vanderbilt, Sr.
Hollis Thompson, F, Georgetown, Jr.
June 21
Miles Plumlee, F, Duke, Sr.
Garrett Stutz, C, Wichita State, Sr.
June 22
Kevin Jones, F, West Virginia, Sr.
Andrew Nicholson, F, St. Bonaventure, Sr.
Mike Scott, F, Virginia, Sr.
Royce White, F, Iowa State, So.
June 23
Festus Ezeli, C, Vanderbilt, Sr.
Scott Machado, G, Iona, Sr.
Fab Melo, C, Syracuse, So.
Henry Sims, F, Georgetown, Sr.
June 24
Jae Crowder, F, Marquette, Sr.
Moe Harkless, F, St. John’s, Fr.
June 26
Tyshawn Taylor, G, Kansas, Sr.
Tony Wroten, G, Washington, Fr.
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Rod from College Park
June 15th, 2012
11:05 am
“I would go see if I could grab a James Jones from the Heat for a 2nd rounder….1.5M and he will do as much as JC1 would do for us.”
James Jones and JC1 are two totally different players. James Jones is basically Marvin Williams with balance. He would serve no pupose on this team because we have no players who can penetrate and kick out to him.
Just Joe
June 15th, 2012
11:13 am
Najeh…what’s sad is that we’re at odds over whether 3 years & $9M (third yr an option) is too much for Jamal at his age, and we owe Joe, who is only 1 yr younger, 4 years and $89M!!!
Astro Joe
June 15th, 2012
11:13 am
Rod, I’m pretty sure the hawks were among the leaders in 3s made last season. And a bunch of those came off of kick-outs from players who had penetrated in the lane.
joe
June 15th, 2012
11:14 am
i dont want jeffery taylor i hated him from his vandy days being a georgia guy hes not that good i want fab melo or royce white
KevinM
June 15th, 2012
11:28 am
Vandy beat Kentucky one time and that was the SEC tourney….in the game, UK just quit producing the last 7 minutes of the game and Vandy came back to win.
They didn’t achieve much in the years they were together. Much more was expected after Vandy handled UK easily prior to Calapari.
It doesn’t mean they were bad; it just means they came up short each time they had an opportunity to have veterans show them the way.
These guys have been together for 3 years, and that is like 5-6 years in NBA ball. John Jenkins gave them hope for a bigger finish, but it never happened.
I don’t see any of these guys as big contributors. They will be spot players looking for few min of good output.
As I have heard recently, if you stay in college until you’re a senior, chances are you won’t be making much noise at the next level.
THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE
June 15th, 2012
11:28 am
Garandad I meant Sims…. The Center from georgetown.
KevinM
June 15th, 2012
11:31 am
Rod, I think this team needs better shooters, and isn’t James Jones 1 year removed from being the 3 pt champ?
He just happens to have several characters vying for the same minutes that he wants.
I think he would be quite useful here, and he is IMO better than Marvin immediately. A cheap addition, but I wanted Chalmers last year too and that wasn’t going to happen.
KevinM
June 15th, 2012
11:32 am
And AJ, Vandy was the college version of the Hawks. They were in the game, they competed, but they never were a serious threat to attain much.
THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE
June 15th, 2012
11:35 am
I have to agree with majikman…There is no way in haties that the Magic trade DH12 for Al “I shoot Jumpers” Horford….. Really??? He was butter soft in the playoffs against Orlando in 2011-Go back and watch sum tape. If the magic wouldnt take Lopez and 3 #1’s wth would they take horford straight up. the fans would run that GM outta town.
Also nobody wants Marvin even if he’s a throw in-C’mon…Marvin Williams- thats comical.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 15th, 2012
11:38 am
“Rod, I’m pretty sure the hawks were among the leaders in 3s made last season. And a bunch of those came off of kick-outs from players who had penetrated in the lane.”
I would be willing to bet a lot more of those came from Josh posting up and drawing double teams and kicking it out to the perimeter.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 15th, 2012
11:39 am
“Najeh…what’s sad is that we’re at odds over whether 3 years & $9M (third yr an option) is too much for Jamal at his age, and we owe Joe, who is only 1 yr younger, 4 years and $89M!!!”
Haha real talk.
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
11:42 am
KevinM . . . so in other words, they are the college version of the Atlanta Hawks. Good talent across the board, but no superstar player.
Vandy coach Kevin Stallings pretty much should be fired, but Vandy won’t fire him because he keeps pulling off big wins during the regular season. That used to not be enough at Vandy, but it seems to be enough these days. Had they gotten blown out vs Kentucky in the SEC tournament, and lost in the 2nd ( 3rd round now ) in the NCAA Tourney, he probably would be fired. But the Kentucky win secures him for at least one more year.
Kentucky win and SEC Tourney championship = Orlando win last year in the playoffs
glw
June 15th, 2012
11:51 am
I could handle Jamal on a 3 yr deal for around 9 million, and yeah the last year could come with an option… though, I think a lesser team like a Cleveland or charlotte who is desperate for offense might give him more. The question is whether he wants to be on a good team or a bad team.
But I would limit his minutes. his role would be the same as before, designated gunner off the bench. and only at 2 guard for maybe 20-25 minutes a night.
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
11:54 am
Najeh Davenpoop
June 15th, 2012
11:38 am
“Rod, I’m pretty sure the hawks were among the leaders in 3s made last season. And a bunch of those came off of kick-outs from players who had penetrated in the lane.”
I would be willing to bet a lot more of those came from Josh posting up and drawing double teams and kicking it out to the perimeter.
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Give me a minute. I can tell you exactly how many did come via Josh. Have to watch the Synergy film first. I’ll do the bench guys first.
cp
June 15th, 2012
11:56 am
I know people dont like Marvin but come on now James Jones is not better than Marvin. Jones cant hit 3’s but plays no defense, doesnt rebound, isnt a good passer, isnt a good ball handler, cant create his own shot. Im not a fan of Marvin but I would take him over Jones. Now if we are talking about Jones replacing Vlad Rad then yea…
Jeff Taylor has weak handles and cant create his own shot. We have enough guys on this team already who cant create off the dribble. He wouldnt be a bad choice but it all depends who is still left on the board when the Hawks pick.
Ra'mon
June 15th, 2012
11:56 am
Najeh, a lot of those came from Josh leading the fast break also.
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
12:11 pm
Well shoot . . looking at all of the film would be doing it the long way. I’ll just go to hoopdata.com
Assisted 3 point FGs by Josh Smith: 82
Now how many came via post-ups with Josh being doubled, I’d definitely have to look at the film clips to see that.
Team leaders
Teague – 91
Josh – 82
Johnson – 63
McGrady – 39
Hinrich – 36
Pargo – 34
Marvin – 28
Zaza – 22
Vlad – 15
Green – 11
Ivan – 8
KevinM
June 15th, 2012
12:14 pm
cp, you take Marvin, I’ll take James Jones and let them go one-on-one.
I would be comfortable with that matchup. Marvin is smoke and mirrors….and go see what you can get for him. I’m confident its not equal to an active player.
But we keep putting him out there in the starting lineup waiting for his number to be called and he comes up with a major rebound or put back.
My Marvin clip of the day: KD vs. Marvin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBlQNdFTpVI&feature=related
Where do we currently rank Marvin vs. all SFs in the NBA? Is he 30th best?
KevinM
June 15th, 2012
12:20 pm
northcyde, remember the name Alex Poythress. He was a virtual Stallings lock this year only for Cal to come in and sweep him out of Nashville.
Poythress will be a big-time draft pick in 2013 and could be a Top 2 pick. Nbadraft.net has him at 4th best in that draft.
cp
June 15th, 2012
12:24 pm
Kevin. Im not a fan of Marvin. I’ve wanted him out of here for a while now but I just dont see how Jones is a better player than Marvin. Other than knocking down the 3, what does Jones do better than Marvin? I get that dude hasnt lived up to expectations but its no way Jones is better.
KevinM
June 15th, 2012
12:27 pm
The way I gauge the value of Jones over Marvin? Jones’ contract is 18% of what Marvin is making.
And if you give Jones the same amount of minutes, I’m confident that he would put up similar numbers to Marvin.
But this comparison is not as important to the success of this team as moving one or 2 of our captains out of here. You always need 5 or 6 bit players to help you achieve big things.
Rod from College Park
June 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
KevinM,
I despise Marvin’s game, but James Jones is Marvin with balance. I will have to agree that Marvin plays better defense, and rebounds better. I am just tellling you that JC1 and James Jones are not comparable in this offense. When JC1 was here, he was the best scoring option on the floor behind Joe, and in the playoffs he was a better option than Joe many times. James Jones would never be that. He is a stand still jump shooter, thats it. If you ask me would I take Marvin Williams or James Jones shooting an open 3 pointer at the end of the game, I would take James Jones 10 out of 10 times, especially for the price.
Rod from College Park
June 15th, 2012
12:37 pm
“I would be willing to bet a lot more of those came from Josh posting up and drawing double teams and kicking it out to the perimeter.”
I would agree. It might not show up in the stats because Marvin shot is usually the scond pass, but majority of his open looks are from Joe and Josh being double teamed, not penetration.
Rod from College Park
June 15th, 2012
12:39 pm
“And if you give Jones the same amount of minutes, I’m confident that he would put up similar numbers to Marvin.”
No arguments from me. Also teams would not leave James Jones open like they do with Marvin.
cp
June 15th, 2012
12:49 pm
Guys we shall just have to agree to disagree on this one.
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
12:53 pm
KevinM
June 15th, 2012
12:20 pm
northcyde, remember the name Alex Poythress. He was a virtual Stallings lock this year only for Cal to come in and sweep him out of Nashville.
Poythress will be a big-time draft pick in 2013 and could be a Top 2 pick. Nbadraft.net has him at 4th best in that draft.
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Alex is from Clarksville, not Nashville ( 40 minutes NW of Nashville ). And he went to my old high school. Alex can ball, but he goes through lapses in which he relies on his jumpshot a little too much, especially against bigger competition.
As for the Josh Smith passing. What I’m seeing on film is a lot of him getting the ball from 15 – 18 feet, and driving into the lane and kicking out to a shooter ( mainly Joe Johnson ). He had quite a few transition assists as well. I’m not seeing all of these post-ups with double teams coming at him, and he kicking it out.
Most of the Hawks assist came from them simply moving the ball from side to side.
High-sider
June 15th, 2012
12:59 pm
^Correction: “…Do you really think that James Jones will be able to increase his scoring average by 10+ppg if he* plays for the Hawks?…”
O'Brien
June 15th, 2012
1:15 pm
Josh would have a lot more assists on 3ptrs if JJ didn’t miss so many of them (especially in transition). And as good as Marvin is, he missed alot of open looks too.
O'Brien
June 15th, 2012
1:16 pm
From the bleacher report;
23. Atlanta Hawks: Tony Wroten, Washington
Rick Sund is a good general manager who has made some bad decisions (think Joe Johnson’s contract).
He’s in a spot where the Hawks are going to have a hard time improving from where they are now.
I like a guy like Wroten and think he has a ton of potential, but coming off a horrible combine where he answered none of the questions that surround his game, this is a risky pick. But, eventually, Sund will hit a home run with a point guard.
Wroten shot only 16 percent from behind the arc on the season and turned the ball over 3.8 times per game to only 3.7 assists.
If he improves on those areas, Sund looks like a genius.
If he doesn’t, well, just add another to a long list of bad moves..
High-sider
June 15th, 2012
1:23 pm
@KevinM
“Rod, I think this team needs better shooters, and isn’t James Jones 1 year removed from being the 3 pt champ?
He just happens to have several characters vying for the same minutes that he wants…” – KevinM @11:31am dated 6/15/2012
I think this [Hawks] team needs better FT shooters. Didn’t Jamal Crawford lead the NBA in FT% at 0.927 or 92.7% for 2011-2012 regular season? Didn’t the Hawks lose a number of games in the 2011-2012 regular season due to poor FT shooting? Didn’t Al Horford miss one of two free throws in a playoff elimination [Game 6] vs. the Celtics this year which cost the Hawks a chance at tying the game near the end of regulation? Didn’t Jamal Crawford make “two clutch” free throws near the end of regulation in a closeout game [Game 6] vs. the Magic in the 2011 playoffs? Didn’t those “two clutch” free throws give the Hawks a three point lead and help seal a game and series victory over the Magic in the 2011 playoffs?
Are you telling me that James Jones can’t get [more] minutes over [injured] Mike Miller right now? Have you seen the terrible and pathetic performances [or play] of Mike Miller lately?
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
1:24 pm
KevinM
June 15th, 2012
12:27 pm
The way I gauge the value of Jones over Marvin? Jones’ contract is 18% of what Marvin is making.
And if you give Jones the same amount of minutes, I’m confident that he would put up similar numbers to Marvin.
But this comparison is not as important to the success of this team as moving one or 2 of our captains out of here. You always need 5 or 6 bit players to help you achieve big things.
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Marvin and James Jones ( offensively ) are basically the same player. They both are going to get most of their shots off of spot up jumpers or jumpers in transition. The exception is that while Jones won’t dare go into the paint, Marvin will ( mainly because he’s big enough to do it ).
Spot up 3s
Marvin: 40%
Jones: 42%
Transition 3s
Marvin: 52%
Jones: 38%
The Heat would trade Jones for Marvin in a heartbeat, if salaries were equal, or if they had the room to sign Marvin. Marvin these days is the better shooter, rebounder, and defender.
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
1:29 pm
Anybody drafting Tony Wroten in Round 1 is a dang fool. Teams will sag off of him even more than they did Teague in his first few years in the league. If that dude can’t shoot well enough to keep a defense honest, they’ll pack it in and dare that guy to beat them.
Even Rondo could shoot better than that.
LOL . . that report listed all kinds of red flags on Wroten, but they STILL expect the Hawks to take him?
Shows you what people think of the Hawks.
cp
June 15th, 2012
1:30 pm
Which is why I dont understand why people think Jones is better than Marvin. Im not a Marvin fan at all but even I can admit dude is better than James Jones.
cp
June 15th, 2012
1:34 pm
I think Wroten goes in the second round. His shooting is just flat out terrible. If he was a good decision maker with that terrible shot then yea I could see the Hawks willing to take a gamble but his decision making is terrible too. He really should have stayed another year.
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
1:46 pm
cp. . . . Marvin gets penalized around these parts for the same reason JJ gets penalized. Neither lives up to what they’re being paid, so fans downgrade their games, even if Marvin is just “decent” at times and JJ is “very good” at times.
Other people’s trash looks good to those types of fans, because they see what we have as trash.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 15th, 2012
1:54 pm
“Assisted 3 point FGs by Josh Smith: 82″
Doesn’t tell the whole story because hockey assists are not counted in basketball.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 15th, 2012
1:55 pm
“LOL . . that report listed all kinds of red flags on Wroten, but they STILL expect the Hawks to take him?
Shows you what people think of the Hawks.”
Sund was seen at multiple Washington games this year and was rumored to love Wroten as many as four months ago. I linked to some UW beat writer who tweeted that back around February. Pretty sure Ford and others probably have the same or similar sources as the guy I found on Twitter.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 15th, 2012
1:55 pm
This is from March:
Jason McIntyre @TheBigLead
Buzz in Washington from a source: T Ross is going to the NBA, but T Wroten could stay. Problem: the Atl Hawks LOVE Wroten & he knows it
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Najeh Davenpoop
June 15th, 2012
2:05 pm
Montlake Madness @MontlakeMadness
RT @Babyyao23: @MontlakeMadness Rick Sund the GM of the Hawks was at least two UW games on person this year.
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Re: Wroten/Hawks. The Hawks are projected for the 19th pick as of now. Would the be high enough for him to leave?
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High-sider
June 15th, 2012
2:12 pm
“Jamal Crawford is officially an unrestricted free agent. Would he sign a 3-yr $9M deal to return to the Hawks (3rd yr is a mutual option/both sides have to agree for him to stay)? This is where he’s had the most success…
…I would want him back at that price. He fills a definite need as a scorer off the bench. I’m a little afraid about how LD will use him though (give him 20 minutes a night at the PG spot???). If used correctly, he’s a valuable asset.” – Just Joe @6:27am dated 6/15/2012
I’m glad someone else on this blog sees the value of Jamal Crawford. I hope this feeling/sentiment/idea [of a potential Jamal Crawford return to the Hawks] evolves into a growing narrative on this blog. I’m sorry it took a [2012] first round playoff exit and an 82.2ppg [Atlanta Hawks] team playoff scoring average for some of you [Hawks fans] to come to this realization and/or epiphany.
cp
June 15th, 2012
2:20 pm
northcyde. Yea that seems to be very true when it comes to certain players on this team
Thats my first time seeing those Tweets. Now I understand what that writer was talking about on a draft blog I read over a month ago. I was wondering why he thought the Hawks love Wroten but now I see.Im hoping we take a sf but wont be surprised if Wroten is the choice.
Just Joe
June 15th, 2012
2:26 pm
If Wroten stayed another year in school, then he’d be a lottery pick. This is a long-term investment by the Hawks. In 4 years when Joe’s contract expires, Wroten will have just turned 23 yrs old. You put Wroten in the “Pargo” role for a couple of years and hope he develops in to a star. But there’s no reason why the kid can’t play excellent defense on day 1. Just don’t expect him to be an efficient scorer any time soon.
High-sider
June 15th, 2012
2:43 pm
@Just Joe
“Big gamble….draft Tony Wroten and sign Jamal Crawford??? Would our bigs quit since they’d have to work so hard on defense??? Could Teague survive the pressure, or would he be constantly looking over his shoulder?…
…I’d be willing to try it. Crawford acts as the mentor to this talented kid that just turned 19 yrs old. Hawks would have 4 guards with PG-level handles in Teague, Joe, Jamal, and Wroten.” – Just Joe @6:43am dated 6/15/2012
Just Joe, I actually like your idea of the Hawks drafting Tony Wroten, Jr., and bringing back Jamal Crawford to be Wroten, Jr’s., mentor while he [Crawford],once again, assumes the Hawks sixth man role. As I stated in an earlier post, I believe Rick Sund has an affinity for basketball players from the Pacific Northwest specifically Seattle [WA] and, as a result, will be inclined to draft Wroten, Jr. I also feel that Jamal Crawford would relish the role of being the mentor of Wroten, Jr. Both players [Jamal and Tony Wroten, Jr.] play [or have played] in Jamal Crawford’s summer basketball league in Seattle, WA. This mentor/mentee relationship [between Crawford and Wroten, Jr.] should help minimize or subdue any feelings of jealousy and/or animosity that usually occur between savvy, established veterans and hungry, up-and-coming rookies.
BTW, I didn’t know Wroten, Jr., came from a family that athletically gifted. I guess it [his athleticism] comes from his “pedigree,” “genes” and/or “stock.”
http://www.usabasketball.com/bios/wroten_tony.html
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
2:56 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
June 15th, 2012
1:54 pm
“Assisted 3 point FGs by Josh Smith: 82″
Doesn’t tell the whole story because hockey assists are not counted in basketball.
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LOL . . an assist is an assist. This ain’t Hockey Najeh. The man making the direct pass to the scorer gets the assist. If you want to credit Josh for passing out of the post to an open man, and that open man passing to a more open man, then so be it.
May as well give everyone else on the team “hockey basketball assists” as well.
3 point assist leaders in 2010 – 11
Johnson – 104 ( mainly to Bibby )
Horford – 85
Smith – 67
Jamal – 52
Teague – 37
Bibby – 30
Marvin – 19
Hinrich – 14
THE IMMORTAL...I MUS WRITE
June 15th, 2012
2:56 pm
As much as I dislike Marvins game, he is a better palyer than James Jones. James jones is strictly a spot up shooter. He plays no D, and is a below average passer, lets not even talk about rebounding.
That video of Durant vs Marvin is misleading….Durant has a few of those plays in every game,regardless of the defender.
JC1 would be a steal at 3mill per year lets not forget when JJ was MIA for most of the season JC1 carried this team. 20 mil vs 3 mil C’mon….
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
3:14 pm
If Sund drafts Wroten, he should be fired on the spot.
Looks like Pendergraph will be making the pick anyway.
Wow @ Wroten’s stats last year @ Washington
44% FG
58% FT
16% 3FG
132 turnovers to 130 assists?
This guy is not Jamal Crawford or the 2nd coming of Rajon Rondo folks. Jamal has horrible shot selection, but he’s always been one of the better mid-range shooters in the league. He just falls in love with the damn 3 pointer too much.
Rondo showed the ability to drop assists and grab rebounds at a high rate even at Kentucky. Despite his lack of a shot, he literally dominated games on the offensive and defensive end.
Wroten, on the other hand, can’t shoot at all. AT ALL. And while he calls himself a “combo guard”, he doesn’t even have legit PG skills.
This guy SCREAMS “red flag”. But the Hawks supposedly LOVE HIM?
Fire all of these clowns at the moment Wroten is selected by them, if it happens.
Grandad
June 15th, 2012
3:16 pm
I MUS
I`m a Moe Ron
Sims = Sism / duh … dad / as my younguns used to say !
Grandad
June 15th, 2012
3:21 pm
A J
Vandy – J.Jenkins; J.Taylor; Ezeli
~alas~ … ~alack~
No – point guard !
We have been there & done that !
Gotta have a pg !
Vandy = good … not great.
Just Joe
June 15th, 2012
3:28 pm
northcyde….(IMO) Wroten’s strength is in his ability to get to the rim & defend. We’ve talked a lot about Tyreke Evans in the last few days. I think he’s the same type of player, not Rondo, and definitely not Jamal.
Will he ever develop court vision and a feel for the game? No idea.
Will he ever improve his jumpshot? No idea.
Will he ever improve his right hand? No idea.
Could he become an elite defender and play next to a lead-guard? I think so, even at 19 yrs old. Rose, Rondo, Deron Williams, Wall, Jennings, Holiday, etc… are all Eastern Conference PG’s. Could Wroten’s athleticism and length at 6′5″ bother some of those guys?
northcyde
June 15th, 2012
3:34 pm
In that same game, Marvin was on Durant at the top of the key with the game on the line. Durant shoots, but Marvin is right there. The shot goes off the rim, Smith gets the rebound, and the Hawks win
I love this Synergy, because you can either prove or disprove bull crap at a moment’s notice
Durant vs Marvin in that game
4 – 13 FG . . . 10 pts . . . drew 2 fouls