Atlanta Hawks: Elite talent, not ‘Detroit model,’ still best path to title

Assuming the favored Heat beat the Celtics tomorrow and advance to the Finals, it will add to the mountain of evidence suggesting the best way to build a championship team is to acquire elite players.

Yeah, I know: radical statement. But before you lump me with Captain Obvious, remember it’s at odds with the “Detroit model” currently favored by the Hawks.

My view is that there are two kinds of NBA teams–those with top 10 players, and those without–and everything an organization does should be in an attempt to be the former rather than the latter. The Hawks’ view is that they can build a team with three not-quite-elite talents and keep knocking at the door until they become championship contenders.

That’s assuming the Hawks do have aspirations of winning an NBA championship, something that’s not always clear. The franchise often seems more preoccupied with dinging its critics and demanding credit for its successes (and there are many) than raising the bar. That perception is fueled by superficial-but-telling tendencies (such as statements boasting about making the playoffs) and the embrace of a team-building philosophy that rarely leads to a championship.

In a league where superstars contend for titles, the Hawks have tried to do it without one.

“It is going to be very hard for us to get that MVP candidate unless you pick one or two [in the draft],” Rick Sund said last summer. “Or unless you happen to have … free-agent money, to get one in free agency. It’s going to be tough, so we are going to have to do it the hard way.”

The Detroit model certainly is that.

There have been 62 NBA championship teams since 1950, and 57 those teams placed at least one player on one of the top two All-NBA teams in the season they won it. In fact, only 15 of those champions failed to have at least one player voted first team All-NBA (a third five-man All-NBA team was added starting with the 1988-89 season).

Furthermore, only 10 of 62 finals runner-up teams failed to have at least one player considered among the top 10 in the league. That means just 15 of 124 teams to make the finals — 12 percent — did so without a player voted to be among the league’s 10 best.

The Heat or Thunder would add to those totals while the Celtics would not. And chances are if Boston advances it’s because Kevin Garnett or Paul Pierce once again rekindle their form from the recent past and/or Rajon Rondo plays to the level that has him on track to reach top 10 status.

The Hawks tried to do build a contender the way the Thunder have done it. They executed the first part of the plan by getting bad enough to get a chance at a high draft pick and lucky enough to land one. The second and most important part, drafting the right players, didn’t go so well.

Making the wrong pick hurts, but it happens. Worse is that instead of cutting their losses and turning Marvin Williams et al into assets they could use to take a shot at acquiring an elite player, the Hawks doubled down. And instead of using Joe Johnson to acquire more assets (draft picks, relatively cheap and productive players, cap space) that hey could parlay into a top 10 player, the Hawks gave him the richest deal in the league.

Now the Hawks aren’t projected to have real cap space until after next season, by which time Josh Smith and Zaza Pachulia could be gone, Johnson will be a year older and they’ll have no more than four players under contract. Tough to get an elite talent and complementary players with $15 million or so in cap space.

I understand the calls for a new coach as the answer with this group of Hawks. Sometimes, though, I think that’s the most popular thing because it’s easier to change coaches than acquire a top 10 player. I’d rather have the elite talent–Scott Brooks just beat Gregg Popovich and I’ll go out on a limb and say that had more to do with OKC’s two top 10 players to San Antonio’s one than any Thunder coaching advantage.

The Hawks could try to trade for an established top 10 player. There’s precedent for this with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Julius Erving (who was actually “sold” to the 76ers by the Nets), Tiny Archibald, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley and Jason Kidd.

Going that route would almost certainly mean the Hawks would have to trade away part of the proverbial “core” and perhaps take a step back in the short term. My feeling is this is less likely to happen if Sund returns as GM. After a season in which injuries legitimately hurt their chances to advance in the playoffs, the Hawks under Sund probably would stay the course.

That’s a defensible position insofar as it keeps a good team intact. It’s not a proven plan as far as contending for a championship, unless you believe Johnson, Josh Smith, or Al Horford can be top 10 players next season. Essentially, the best way for the Hawks to become true championship contenders is for one of their players to be good enough to transcend the Detroit model.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

768 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

June 8th, 2012
4:54 pm

There may be precedent for top 10 players changing teams, but it is very small, and if you exclude the Lakers, Celtics, and Heat, it is almost nonexistent.

The most likely way to acquire elite talent is to get high draft picks and nail them. And the most likely way to get high draft picks is to blow up your team and tank.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 8th, 2012
4:55 pm

Also, hard to use events that happened in the pre-salary cap, pre-millionaire era of basketball as precedent for what can or will happen now. Julius Erving and Moses Malone’s NBA was very different from the current NBA.

Sautee

June 8th, 2012
4:56 pm

“The franchise often seems more preoccupied with dinging its critics and demanding credit for its successes (and there are many) than raising the bar.”

Well put, Michael. Succinct and right on point.

terrell

June 8th, 2012
5:02 pm

Whats wrong with this picture?
Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony, Danny Granger, Iggy, MARVIN WILLIAMS.
Something just doesnt look right. And this is just in the EAST.

Astro Joe

June 8th, 2012
5:04 pm

OK, so if you are one of the 20-something teams that don’t have a top 10 talent, what do you do? Tank a season or trade away all of your talent in hopes of getting draft picks that give you a top 5 chance to land a top 3 pick? And of course, you have to hope that all of that happens in a draft with top 10 type talent in that specific draft (let’s not pretend that each and every draft is created equally). Seriously, a blog like this almost suggests that if you are a fan of one of the many have nots that you should recognize that you are “SOL and have a nice summer”.

Hazeltine

June 8th, 2012
5:06 pm

So, when do the Horford and Smith for Howard rumors begin, again?

KevinM

June 8th, 2012
5:12 pm

MC, now let’s get to the meat of the ‘Detroit’ model.

They hire Rick Carlisle, and he has some success, but comes up short 2 straight years. Dumars, not sitting on his brain, decides new leadership is needed, brings in a successful Larry Brown. Brown decides that hey, Tayshaun Prince is young but very talented, and then go dump a mid range draft pick, Bobby Sura, and more junk to the Hawks for quality big man Rasheed Wallace.

Now, tell me MC, are we following the Detroit model? We have a head coach that never was a head coach, that hasn’t made ANYONE better on this roster in his 2 years:
1) Where is our top coach, our Larry Brown?
2) Where is our young talent? Oh, Singleton and JC2 are in Washington.
3) Where is our Rasheed Wallace, a quality big man? Was Dampier the guy for that role last year?

Did I just show you how different we are than Detroit? Detroit didn’t dump draft picks for bad signings. Detroit didn’t keep shoving Marvin Williams down our throat proving that we didn’t know our basketball. Did Detroit just waste a season by not filling the void left by Al’s injury?

All Sund has done is prove he’s not good at improving a team via trades and minimum vet signings. All LD has done is let Josh do as he wishes with the ball and minimized Joe’s talents.
What Detroit is Sund talking about? The Tigers? The Lions?

Did I overlook anything?

jdewayneatl

June 8th, 2012
5:12 pm

If the Hawks traded to get a superstar player, that player would be on the downturn of his career. And besides the Hawks franchise, the city of Atlanta is not attractive for high caliber NBA talent. In the last 30 years, Dominique Wilkins is the only undeniable superstar to play in his prime for this franchise. Do I wish the Hawks could have had better luck or just better judgement when we had high draft picks, yes. The draft is where the Hawks will get its “superstar”. But even if the Hawks did draft Chris Paul, whose to say he wouldn’t have wanted to leave Atlanta, the same way he left NO.

KevinM

June 8th, 2012
5:14 pm

“terrell

June 8th, 2012
5:02 pm
Whats wrong with this picture?
Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony, Danny Granger, Iggy, MARVIN WILLIAMS.
Something just doesnt look right. And this is just in the EAST”

terrell, those guys do not deserve to be linked to Marvin. They are big in real life and fantasy.

Marvin is neither…he’s only big to his family, North Carolina and whatever girlfriend he has at present.

Lon Stotts

June 8th, 2012
5:14 pm

This article just emphasizes how hard it is to maintain parity in the NBA, compared with the other major sports leagues. Before every season there are, at best, 5-7 teams that have a realistic shot at contending for a championship. That is a problem, and one that I don’t have an easy fix for.

Did anyone have the football Giants or the baseball Cardinals as top ten teams prior to their championship seasons? Probably not.

Sautee

June 8th, 2012
5:16 pm

“Seriously, a blog like this almost suggests that if you are a fan of one of the many have nots that you should recognize that you are “SOL and have a nice summer”.”

Duh. ;-)

Sorry, AJ, but I can’t write it the way my daughter makes it sound. Think three syllables.

falCans

June 8th, 2012
5:19 pm

Horford and Williams for Howard. Josh is off limits and a possible top 15 player next year if LD stops putting him at the perimeter!!

glw

June 8th, 2012
5:19 pm

MC’s point are valid, the most ideal way to being an elite team is having an elite player. Is it the only way, of course not.. the Detroit model is valid, but it takes a great coach and players who have clearly definted roles and they feel their roles. Problem with the Hawks following the Detroit model is Drew aint in Larry Brown’s league, and the Hawks players dont follow or fit into specific roles. They basically do kind of make it up on the fly. So in the Hawks case as is the case with most teams, getting a superstar is the best bet.

Hazeltine

yeah it is time to start the Dwight Howards rumors. Its not far fetched for the Hawks to pull a trade for a superstar. Deron Williams also can be had I think under the right circumstances. Also Bynum, while not really a superstar, he has an elite skill set (big, with legit offensive moves). The Hawks while limited in their assets, if they truly wanted to get that elite player they could pull such a thing off. Of course, actually having the ASG pulling off such a deal is a whole different story.

KevinM

June 8th, 2012
5:19 pm

“The Hawks tried to do build a contender the way the Thunder have done it. They executed the first part of the plan by getting bad enough to get a chance at a high draft pick and lucky enough to land one. The second and most important part, drafting the right players, didn’t go so well”

Ok MC, is Sund telling you we’re doing now going to do it the OKC way?
Does Sund have any idea who he’s trying to model after?
We have been building this thing since the signing of Joe Johnson. We’re now heading into Year 8 of the Joe Johnson regime and frankly, Joe is the only one who has gotten something out of these 8 years of basketball in Atlanta.

So model us after the team that fired you to do it a successful way, huh Rick? Now I see how you’ve lasted 33 years. You keep following someone else’s model instead of building your own.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

June 8th, 2012
5:20 pm

Still nothing about the draft. SMH

falCans

June 8th, 2012
5:21 pm

@MC how come y’all never point out that LD play calling is what’s keeping Josh on the perimeter rather than in the post

falCans

June 8th, 2012
5:27 pm

Enter your comments here

UGA

June 8th, 2012
5:30 pm

And what is more crazy is that the Hawks beat the Thunder this year without Joe and Horford……!

KevinM

June 8th, 2012
5:31 pm

Okay, out of this list:
Chris Paul Los Angeles Clippers
G Kobe Bryant Los Angeles Lakers
F Kevin Durant Oklahoma City Thunder
F Blake Griffin Los Angeles Clippers 2nd
C Andrew Bynum Los Angeles Lakers 1st
Reserves
F LaMarcus Aldridge Portland Trail Blazers
C Marc Gasol Memphis Grizzlies
F Kevin Love Minnesota Timberwolves
G Steve Nash Phoenix Suns
F Dirk Nowitzki Dallas Mavericks
G Tony Parker San Antonio Spurs
G Russell Westbrook Oklahoma City Thunder

AND this list:
Derrick Rose Chicago Bulls
G Dwyane Wade Miami Heat
F LeBron James Miami Heat
F Carmelo Anthony New York Knicks
C Dwight Howard Orlando Magic
Reserves
F Chris Bosh Miami Heat
F Luol Deng Chicago Bulls
C Roy Hibbert Indiana Pacers
F Andre Iguodala Philadelphia 76ers
F Paul Pierce Boston Celtics
G Rajon RondoREP Boston Celtics
G Deron Williams New Jersey Nets

Who, out of our 6 signed guys, and the inability to deal our draft pick, out of last year’s all-star lineup could we seriously consider coming to Atlanta with Sund making the decisions?
There’s no shot at any of them. We could give up Al, Josh and Joe and we aren’t getting a coveted all-star.

We have to make changes the hard way because our GM and the 7 dwarfs have locked us into a bad salary structure for at least 2 more calendar years.

Honestly, can you give me the last offseason you were seriously excited about the upcoming Hawks season? I can tell you mine…..back when Moses Malone and Reggie Theus were brought in. It doesn’t matter the results; what mattered was we tried to make it better by bringing in legit talent.

Kirk and Dampier are not legit talent.

We spend so much time talking about the 11-13 roster spots because this group has no clue what it takes to pretend to field a contender.

Someone tell me the last time we were picked 1 or 2 in the East?

Buddy Grizzard

June 8th, 2012
5:42 pm

“OK, so if you are one of the 20-something teams that don’t have a top 10 talent, what do you do?”

You give it one more run with this core as Lang Green’s chat makes it very clear the Hawks intend to do. As MC said, the team’s chances of advancing were legitimately hurt by injuries (never mind all the injuries to the Celtics). Keep it together until the trade deadline. If the Hawks are in the top 3 in the conference and Josh is not making noise about being unhappy, maybe you keep him through the end of the season.

The Hawks’ chances next year will be aided by Derrick Rose’s injury and who knows? Maybe Josh, Al and Teague will have monster seasons and Joe will play as a spot-up shooter instead of a ball stopper and the Hawks will make a run. Next offseason Josh is gone, Zaza is gone. The Hawks will have one more season with Teague on a qualifying offer. At that point, if you didn’t get anything for Josh and you didn’t convince him to stay (and Zaza happily took his talents to a team that didn’t think he should be behind Josh Powell in the rotation), it’s time to blow it up.

At that point, you Amnesty Joe Johnson, not with the intention of paying someone to take his place and thus paying twice, but with the intention of letting his salary count toward the minimum salary floor so that you can tank with supreme efficiency. The Hawks will not be required to add players to meet the minimum salary since Joe’s salary will count toward the salary floor. That’s when the Hawks will have the opportunity to tank and get really bad and get high draft picks.

glw

June 8th, 2012
5:44 pm

Three potential trades for superstars that the Hawks should pursue:

1. Dwight Howard and Turkoglu for Josh or Al (their choice), Zaza, Marvin, and 2 No.1 draft picks

2. Deron Williams for Jeff Teague and Josh Smith

3. Andrew Bynum for Josh Smith and Zaza Pachulia and no.1 draft pick

Would these trades make Atlanta champions? Maybe. It would at least make them more relevant than they are. And would give them a perceived elite player. Of course, along with these trades would come financial concerns. But it is possible to get an elite palyer here, just how bad does the ASG want it to happen.

Mike C.

June 8th, 2012
5:48 pm

MC,

I have to agreed and disagreed on this one. I agreed that Elite talent maybe is the best path to title but here is the thing, you got many cities that isnt blessed with good management like OKC, Spurs,or C’s or deep pockets or anything like that, like Toronto and Bucks of the NBA and Draft is a 50/50 or 25/25/25/25, so its a crap shoot. See how many teams that want to trade out of their picks this draft.

I think that “Detroit” Model still can work if you had these things
- A Head Coach that is willing to evolve and get 110% of his players in every contest and demands respect
- A core that knows their roles and play it to perfection, they dont try to be something that they are not.
- A bench that is dependable and able to keep you in the game.

The reason why Spurs loss because they finally broke down and OKC found their second wind.

For the Hawks, right now they need to the path that is the best for them and to raise the bar of what they want to accomplish. You have proven that you are one of the top teams in regular season and you can get to the 2nd round of playoff but they need to be more hungry to get to the Final. ECF isnt the final destination, once they realize that and play for that with the right part, they will get there.

donte080

June 8th, 2012
5:48 pm

glw, those are trades I would do in a second. Not sure the other side would though…

Mike C.

June 8th, 2012
5:51 pm

Buddy,

I dont know, we have been running the “core” for years, what is going to be the difference between then they are full health and when they are not. The core needs to tweak up in way, some way.

Grandad

June 8th, 2012
5:56 pm

Why do you have to have someone else`s model ?

Just get the best players you can;
[draft intelligently, manage assets, scout incessantly]
coach `em wisely, work your ass off;
ensure that everyone in the organization from the:
kids that mop the sweat off the floor;
to the richest owner are on the same page;
and that is:
! Win Baby !

That`s G-dad`s model !

Go ahead and laugh … It`s that simple !

ATL = Owners not in
Sund = not in (doesn`t even know if he wants to be here)
LD = ?
Josh = not in
Local media = not in

It doesn`t matter if we use the NY yankees model
-or-
The Celts / Lakers model … Packers; Redwings; ???????
-don`t matter-
Until everyone`s in … all in ! dad-blame-it !

donte080

June 8th, 2012
6:02 pm

The ‘Detroit model’ might have worked for this team if it had drafted a PG (C Paul or D Williams) instead of Marvin and anyone with a pulse other than Shelden Williams….

Chris Paul/Brandon Roy/Joe Johnson/Josh/Horford would have been an interesting assembled team here….

random

June 8th, 2012
6:13 pm

donte080 your comments are dumb

hawksfancents95

June 8th, 2012
6:24 pm

KevinM great post. we could not get any of those guys because we dont have the kahunas to make a franchise altering move. we(asg) seem to be content with saying we made the playoffs and state that only us and bos/lal are the only three teams over the past 5 years blah blahdid our job of getting there.
Im excited that josh will be traded even though i want him to stay. i think a big move we could do would be if bos loses saturday to try a sign and trade deal with bos for KG giving up josh smith. KG 2 year 20 mill deal. I love how KG doesnt let anyone on the team give less than 100% and i think we could get a 1st from BOS as well. KG could play C/PF with AL doing the same with different matchups, i dont think any team would have more energy with their bigmen then us.KG would be someone that could turn joe into a more expressive player and ultimatley make us more accountable with our passion night in night out.

dont forget that we have two picks and if we can get some good logical choices we have a good start to the offseason.

hawksfancents95

June 8th, 2012
6:28 pm

i know yall hate optimisim on here with this crap ownership but you know you will watch every game next year so i like to think positive and be wrong as oppose to being a pessimist and being right

Astro Joe

June 8th, 2012
6:36 pm

Sautee, considering some of the coverage this team gets, I’m not feeling the beat writer offering up this viewpoint. I’d rather see hime use his time to investigate (or suggest) how this team can improve this summer, not offer up a “no hope” view of the situation. In some ways, it comes across as sour grapes after going from the Heat (and wondering what it might be like to be covering that team now) to the Hawks.

KevinM

June 8th, 2012
6:41 pm

“You give it one more run with this core as Lang Green’s chat makes it very clear the Hawks intend to do. As MC said, the team’s chances of advancing were legitimately hurt by injuries (never mind all the injuries to the Celtics). Keep it together until the trade deadline. If the Hawks are in the top 3 in the conference and Josh is not making noise about being unhappy, maybe you keep him through the end of the season.”

I hope Lang is a hack and has no insight into what is happening. I don’t have it in me to see ‘Groundhog Day’ any more.
Like watching paint dry…like there’s going to be a different ending.
Yes, let’s stay the ‘core’se……

KevinM

June 8th, 2012
6:44 pm

Highest body fat – Texas guard J’Covan Brown, 12.5 percent.
OSU guard William Buford, 11.3 percent
Jared Sullinger’s body fat is a not so good 10.7 percent.

On flip side, Terrence Ross’s is a measly 3.2 percent.

Yeah, Rick’s draft board probably has Sullinger in his sights now….PF extraordinaire.

Draft, Jared Sullinger, Terrence Ross

tjhook

June 8th, 2012
7:10 pm

the reason the Spurs lost to the Thunder was because their frontline men did not play anywhere close to the Thunder. Who performed worth anything besides Duncan. And everyone was counting San Antonio depth as a strength. Diaw-average at best. Blair-?, Splitter- trade away, please. Bonner- oh my God, he was a failure in the Thunder series.

cp

June 8th, 2012
7:12 pm

Well I guess another season of the core is on the way.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 8th, 2012
7:15 pm

“Seriously, a blog like this almost suggests that if you are a fan of one of the many have nots that you should recognize that you are “SOL and have a nice summer”.”

Well, you are right. If you are a fan of a have-not, you should recognize that you are SOL and have a nice summer. The teams that recognize this and act accordingly — like the Sonics in 2007 — give themselves a good chance at rising to the top. The teams that don’t — like the current Hawks — continue to be have-nots and afterthoughts.

SteveW

June 8th, 2012
7:15 pm

So if Defense and Rebounding are the keys to winning, why is the worst rebounding team in the League (Boston) still playing?

If Defense and Rebounding are the keys to winning, why isn’t Chicago still playing, sans Rose? Still had a great defensive and rebounding unit.

I know the answers, just wanted to know what ya’ll thought.

Think Coach Thibodeau could have used Jamal? Great D, but they couldn’t throw the ball in the ocean w/o Rose.

OB – You asked about Brand. I’d have to know how Philly would use the money, and what their intentions were.

But I do know Philly had exactly zero low block presence outside of Brand in the playoffs – and he was extremely valuable to them for that reason during the postseason.

Najeh Davenpoop

June 8th, 2012
7:18 pm

” I’d rather see hime use his time to investigate (or suggest) how this team can improve this summer, not offer up a “no hope” view of the situation.”

I prefer to call it a “realistic” view of the situation. If the goal is a championship, this team has no hope of achieving that goal without a superstar. MC is absolutely right to point that out.

will

June 8th, 2012
7:36 pm

ITS NOW THAT SUPERSTAR PLAYERS DON’T LIKE THE “A”.

Its the hawks franchise, the ownership,the gm, very poor ran franchise.

If Arthur Blanks bought the hawks tommorrow morning at 8am, by 5pm hawks ticket sales would go up 25 percent, just on an announcement that one day.

Its just that after 43yrs, of the samething every yr. it gets tired!!!!

Slimjr

June 8th, 2012
7:43 pm

Mr. Blank has not won a playoff game in 8 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C’mon man!!!!!!!!!!!!

Word on the street is, this is Ice-Melt’s last shot……

0-4…..Yawn…..

Will

June 8th, 2012
8:19 pm

The reality is this:

6 players are under contract. 6.
Those 6 give us almost no room to sign FAs. No one wants to hear it but Josh Smith is our best trade asset and HAS to be traded this offseason for us to have any hope in the future.

IF the front office would use the amnesty option on Joe or Marvin (preferably Joe) then boom suddenly we’d have the ability to climb out of the hole instead of watching the team dig itself deeper into one.

For an organization that wants to use the “Detroit” model and seems so reluctent to want to spend over the cap, they sure as heck aren’t good at either of those efforts.

Building from within only works when you keep draft picks and young talent and develop that talent by allowing them to play.

I wonder if the Hawks have even worked out any of the players in the draft. Oh wait, why do that when you’re probably going to trade the pick/player or even worse and not give the player a chance when they get here.

Such ineptitude.

Thanks MC for the article!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

June 8th, 2012
8:21 pm

If season reviews are in alphabetical order, shouldn’t we get a blog devoted to Bob Bender FIRST? I mean he was just as big a factor this season as Cheeseburger and Dampier were.

SMH

Slimjr

June 8th, 2012
8:29 pm

For you doc:

“LeBron, he had a game. He had a game.” — 16-year NBA veteran Ray Allen

“In Game 6′s first three quarters, of which he played every second, LeBron James took 26 shots and missed seven. He was a human hydrogen bomb, capable of detonating himself multiple times—even though, just like a real hydrogen bomb, to drop it once is more than enough. At halftime, James had relegated his arch-nemesis Celtics to a minute community scurrying to rebuild their devastated village. Every time a brick was laid, another bomb was dropped. Then another. And another. And another.

From the strategist’s bunker of a living room couch, I’m sure many fans were wondering why Boston didn’t just double the man. Throw as many defenders at him as humanly possible, and force Miami’s supporting cast to prevent a historically embarrassing playoff loss. Here are three reasons, both general and hyper-tuned to Game 6 specifically, why that might not be the best strategy when dealing with a player as naturally gifted as LeBron James.”

-more to follow-

Will

June 8th, 2012
8:38 pm

I don’t really like all the Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol talk. Even though that sounds nice, unless somehow you can package Marvin’s contract with Josh for one of those guys the numbers don’t really work.

I’d almost rather trade Josh for a couple solid guys like Luol Deng and Taj Gibson whose contracts aren’t long term and you fill a couple of holes. Then you can draft another big (preferably a center) and a backup point gaurd. Then fill the rest out with veterans like we did this past year.

We don’t have to blow it up, but we can’t just stand pat and watch Josh leave without getting something back. (*cough* Jamal Crawford *cough*)

Will

June 8th, 2012
8:42 pm

MC

Is there any news on Sund?

Have the Hawks even talked to any draft prospects?

Thanks in advance!

falCans

June 8th, 2012
9:03 pm

JOSH AINT GOIN NOWHERE!!! IF THE “FANS” SUPPORT HIM

terrell

June 8th, 2012
9:04 pm

We had our chance to be just like the Thunder, but we blew it. (Chills(2004), Marv(2005), Shellhead(2006). That couldve been Iggy, Josh Smith(2004), CP3(2005), and B.Roy or Rudy Gay in 2006.

kwooden

June 8th, 2012
9:07 pm

MC nice article but its seems to me that your overall assumptions about what the HAWKS have done to acquire talent (or there lack there of) is to simplistic. Clearly a team has to draft talent but we’re not going to over come the drafting of the two Williams anytime soon, because we’re not going to pick that high in the draft anytime soon. We could have let JJ walk but I don’t remember any super free agents wanting to come our way if JJ didn’t stay or anyone willing to give us draft picks for the right to try and sign him after his contract expired. The HAWKS clearly aren’t following any actual model because there is no model accept drafting the best players that you can or being the Lakers, Celtics or Miami and buying talent. Sund made a mistake in giving Bibby and Marvin one extra year on their contracts, but he did the right thing in letting Childress and Crawford walk. People can argue about the Hinrich trade, but overall that move looks like a wash. Your last statement though I think is the main point in the discussion. If Josh or Al become top ten talent, then we have a chance to win a championship, otherwise we’re just going to be a playoff team.

kwooden

June 8th, 2012
9:08 pm

It’s very fustrating be a HAWK fan, but we’re no different than most teams in the league.

doc

June 8th, 2012
9:09 pm

slimj, it was a great performance by the queen and he will have to follow up on it to get his team to the next step. he aint at the door to the promised land yet. he is still 0-career isnt he and you ride 0-fers pretty hard my friend, no? ;-)

he is the best physical specimen and naturally gifted player since wilt. i am not sure he is a warrior yet. the heat are playing against three warriors making their last stand none having the total skills queen has if you put all three of those greats together. there should be no question who wins tomorrow at all.

i think durant is a warrior, not so sure about queen if he continues to disappear at inopportune times. it is silly to think he goes away to make sure the others are ready. that thought never crossed the minds of say a kobe, magic, bird, mj, isiah or any of the greats, never. it was all about staying present to the defining moment and play up to the level he always does against the hawks. this is his time to not defer to anyone or any moment. he has to be brave enough and fearless enough to take the last shot and miss or he will never take it to win, if you get my point.personally id rather him take it and miss than watch someone else make it. that shows me he has the courage to be a winner.

i plan to be watching and look forward to the next set of games as well. about feeling bball withdrawal though. how bout you? baseball and football dont do it for me anymore.

terrell

June 8th, 2012
9:13 pm

No need to go after Joe way back when, if we could get our freakin draft picks right. idiots