Atlanta Hawks: Elite talent, not ‘Detroit model,’ still best path to title

And they were right. We lost. Thanks Al, Thanks Teague!

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“Sautee

June 10th, 2012
2:13 pm
“Al, yet somehow the league votes him on the all-star team.”

WRONG

The leagues fans have never ever, voted Al to an All star team. and Never will”

Sautee, doesn’t the league’s coaches ‘vote’ on who should be the reserves for the all-star team? I think so…..and LD can’t vote for his own players to help their cause. And here we’ve seen Joe and Al get multiple nods.

If vote isn’t the right word, then you pick the word, but Al’s been there.

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Just read Bradley’s Hawks/OKC comparison is it is a good one. It tells you how far apart these 2 teams are:

- Shelden, Chills & Marvin are our faces of our drafts.
- Durant, Westbrook & Harden are the faces of the OKC draft. Quite humorous.

- We are totally against breaking up the core.
- OKC went right into their core and moved Jeff Green for interior defense.

- We bring in a last hurrah Mike Bibby. We then move him for past-his-prime Hinrich who is overmatched at PG and SG. Who thought he was a shooting guard? The same guy that drafted Pape Sy?
- OKC goes and creates their PGs, and Eric Maynor is their backup, one pick behind our current PG, Teague.

We’ve been working on a product for 8 years and are now in 1st round rejection.

OKC has just stepped on everyone’s face and blown by them to the Finals.

Finally, we take the Seattle reject, let him come and go as he pleases and he just sits in his rocking chair waiting for his staff to prepare for the draft….the same draft that we traded away 2 picks for to get Hinrich.

OKC, they hire a young gun, he absolutely nails his selections and his coach. Now tell me, do you think the ASG paid Sund more than they would have had to pay Presti? Inept….

Yep, OKC has followed our model and just blown it right up. The comparisions couldn’t be more ‘bizarro’.

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Nothin’ can be finer than to troll in the recliner in my mommy’s basement
Nothin’ can be sweeter than to be a self-meat beater in the basement.

I average more “beats” per day than Al averages points a game. If you know what I mean.

Trolls 4ever. Time to shave my palms.

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Here’s the huge list of upcoming free agents…note that the ones Sund will touch will be the ones that everyone else has passed over:

Unresticted free agents:

Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns – $11.7 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Raymond Felton, Portland Trail Blazers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Kirk Hinrich, Atlanta Hawks – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kidd, Dallas Mavericks – $8.6 million – Unrestricted
Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets – $7.8 million – Unrestricted
Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers – $2.0 million – Unrestricted
Jameer Nelson, Orlando Magic – $7.8 million – Player Option ($7.8 million)
D.J. Augustin, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.2 million – Restricted ($4.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks – $10.7 million – Unrestricted
George Hill, Indiana Pacers – $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Jordan Farmar, Brooklyn Nets – $4.0 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Indiana Pacers – $7.6 million – Unrestricted
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
Jerryd Bayless, Toronto Raptors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Derek Fisher, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Randy Foye, L.A. Clippers – $4.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Williams, L.A. Clippers – $8.5 million – Player Option ($8.5 million)
Jonny Flynn, Portland Trail Blazers – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
Keyon Dooling, Boston Celtics – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Ishmael Smith, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*

Jeremy Lin, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sundiata Gaines, Brooklyn Nets – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
A.J. Price, Indiana Pacers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Baron Davis, New York Knicks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Gilbert Arenas, Memphis Grizzlies – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Jannero Pargo, Atlanta Hawks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Delonte West, Dallas Mavericks – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Walker Russell, Jr., Detroit Pistons – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Darius Morris, L.A. Lakers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Terrell Harris, Miami HEAT – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Carldell Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeAndre Liggins, Orlando Magic – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ronnie Price, Phoenix Suns – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
T.J. Ford, Golden State Warriors – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Roger Mason, Washington Wizards – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Tinsley, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million – Team Option ($1.3 million)
Donald Sloan, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Manny Harris, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.4 million – Unrestricted*
Patty Mills, San Antonio Spurs – $0.3 million – Unrestricted*
Courtney Fortson, Houston Rockets – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Mike James, Chicago Bulls – $0.6 million – Unrestricted
Jerome Dyson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Uzoh, Toronto Raptors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted*
Armon Johnson, Brooklyn Nets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Earl Boykins, Houston Rockets – $0.2 million – Unrestricted
Blake Ahearn, Utah Jazz – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*

Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Eric Gordon, New Orleans Hornets – $3.8 million – Restricted ($5.1 million Qualifying Offer)
O.J. Mayo, Memphis Grizzlies – $5.6 million – Restricted ($7.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Ray Allen, Boston Celtics – $10.0 million – Unrestricted
Landry Fields, New York Knicks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Carlos Delfino, Milwaukee Bucks – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Nick Young, L.A. Clippers – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
Jamal Crawford, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.0 million – Player Option ($5.2 million)
Louis Williams, Philadelphia 76ers – $5.2 million – Early Termination Option ($5.4 million)
J.R Smith, New York Knicks – $1.4 million – Player Option ($2.6 million)
Mickael Pietrus, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Courtney Lee, Houston Rockets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Rudy Fernandez, Denver Nuggets – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
DeShawn Stevenson, Brooklyn Nets – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Damion James, Brooklyn Nets – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz – $3.7 million – Unrestricted
Shannon Brown, Phoenix Suns – $3.5 million – Unrestricted
Josh Howard, Utah Jazz – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Gerald Green, Brooklyn Nets – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Terrence Williams, Sacramento Kings – $2.4 million – Unrestricted
Jodie Meeks, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets – $3.4 million – Unrestricted
James Anderson, San Antonio Spurs – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Matt Carroll, Charlotte Bobcats – $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($3.5 million)
Brandon Rush, Golden State Warriors – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Alonzo Gee, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Danny Green, San Antonio Spurs – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Tracy McGrady, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Jerry Stackhouse, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Willie Green, Atlanta Hawks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Jason Kapono, Cleveland Cavaliers – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Marquis Daniels, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Sasha Pavlovic, Boston Celtics – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Cory Higgins, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Anthony Parker, Cleveland Cavaliers – $2.3 million – Unrestricted
Keith Bogans, Brooklyn Nets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Michael Redd, Phoenix Suns – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mo Evans, Washington Wizards – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Kelenna Azubuike, Dallas Mavericks – $0.4 million – Unrestricted
Bobby Simmons, L.A. Clippers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted
Morris Almond, Washington Wizards – $0.1 million – Unrestricted
Alan Anderson, Toronto Raptors – $0.2 million – Unrestricted
Xavier Silas, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Cartier Martin, Washington Wizards – $0.1 million – Unrestricted
Von Wafer, Orlando Magic – $1.0 million – Unrestricted

Small Forward
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Nic Batum, Portland Trail Blazers – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Jeff Green, Boston Celtics – $4.5 million – Restricted ($7.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chase Budinger, Houston Rockets – $0.9 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns – $6.5 million – Unrestricted
Sam Young, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Matt Barnes, L.A. Lakers – $1.9 million – Unrestricted
Andres Nocioni, Philadelphia 76ers – $6.7 million – Unrestricted
Anthony Tolliver, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.1 million – Unrestricted
Donte’ Greene, Sacramento Kings – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Bill Walker, New York Knicks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Devin Ebanks, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*

Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Eduardo Najera, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.8 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Brown, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Damien Wilkins, Detroit Pistons – $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Dominic McGuire, Golden State Warriors – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wright, Golden State Warriors – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DaJuan Summers, New Orleans Hornets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Steve Novak, New York Knicks – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Rasual Butler, Toronto Raptors – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Diamon Simpson, Houston Rockets – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Jamario Moon, Charlotte Bobcats – $0.1 million – Unrestricted
James Singleton, Washington Wizards – $0.2 million – Unrestricted
D.J. Kennedy, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*

Power Forward
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Kevin Garnett, Boston Celtics – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs – $21.2 million – Unrestricted
Michael Beasley, Minnesota Timberwolves – $6.3 million – Restricted ($8.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Brandon Bass, Boston Celtics – $4.3 million – Player Option ($4.3 million)
Kris Humphries, Brooklyn Nets – $8.0 million – Unrestricted
Kenyon Martin, L.A. Clippers – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets – $8.5 million – Unrestricted
J.J. Hickson, Portland Trail Blazers – $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Elton Brand, Philadelphia 76ers – $17.1 million – Early Termination Option ($18.2 million)
Antawn Jamison, Cleveland Cavaliers – $15.1 million – Unrestricted

Jason Thompson, Sacramento Kings – $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Marreese Speights, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Ryan Anderson, Orlando Magic – $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.2 million Qualifying Offer)
D.J. White, Charlotte Bobcats – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Anthony Randolph, Minnesota Timberwolves – $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Renaldo Balkman, New York Knicks – $1.7 million – Unrestricted
Ronny Turiaf, Miami HEAT – $4.4 million – Unrestricted
Troy Murphy, L.A. Lakers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Boris Diaw, San Antonio Spurs – $9.0 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wilcox, Boston Celtics – $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Ersan Ilyasova, Milwaukee Bucks – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Darrell Arthur, Memphis Grizzlies – $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Louis Amundson, Indiana Pacers – $2.4 million – Unrestricted

Jordan Hill, L.A. Lakers – $2.9 million – Unrestricted
Craig Brackins, Phildelphia 76ers – $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Chris Johnson, New Orleans Hornets – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Derrick Caracter, L.A. Lakers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cook, Washington Wizards – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Ian Mahinmi, Dallas Mavericks – $0.9 million – Unrestricted

Luke Harangody, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Vladimir Radmanovic, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Ivan Johnson, Atlanta Hawks – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Brian Scalabrine, Chicago Bulls – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Brian Cardinal, Dallas Mavericks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Yi Jianlian, Dallas Mavericks – $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Vernon Macklin, Detroit Pistons – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Reggie Evans, L.A. Clippers – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Juwan Howard, Miami HEAT – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Shelden Williams, Brooklyn Nets – $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Jared Jeffries, New York Knicks – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Francisco Elson, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Lavoy Allen, Philadelphia 76ers – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Lance Thomas, New Orleans Hornets – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Ryan Reid, Oklahoma City Thunder – $0.5 million – Unrestricted
Sean Williams, Boston Celtics – $0.1 million – Unrestricted

Center
(name, team – 2011-12 salary – status)

Roy Hibbert, Indiana Pacers – $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Brook Lopez, Brooklyn Nets – $3.1 million – Restricted ($4.2 million Qualifying Offer)
Chris Kaman, New Orleans Hornets – $12.7 million – Unrestricted
JaVale McGee, Denver Nuggets – $2.5 million – Restricted ($3.5 million Qualifying Offer)
Marcus Camby, Houston Rockets – $12.9 million – Unrestricted
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers – $4.1 million – Unrestricted
Kwame Brown, Milwaukee Bucks – $6.8 million – Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, Toronto Raptors – $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Robin Lopez, Phoenix Suns – $2.8 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Jermaine O’Neal, Boston Celtics – $6.2 million – Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Oklahoma City Thunder – $3.8 million – Unrestricted
Omer Asik, Chicago Bulls – $1.9 million – Unrestricted*
Semih Erden, Cleveland Cavaliers – $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons – $2.2 million – Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Mehmet Okur, Portland Trail Blazers – $10.9 million – Unrestricted
Greg Stiemsma, Boston Celtics – $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Daniel Orton, Orlando Magic – $1.1 million – Unrestricted

Hasheem Thabeet, Portland Trail Blazers – $5.1 million – Unrestricted

Ryan Hollins, Boston Celtics – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Portland Trail Blazers – $0.7 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, Miami HEAT – $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers – $1.5 million – Unrestricted
Jamaal Magloire, Toronto Raptors – $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Kyrylo Fesenko, Indiana Pacers – $0.3 million – Unrestricted
Mickell Gladness, Golden State Warriors – $0.1 million – Unrestricted*
Mikki Moore, Golden State Warriors – $0.1 million – Unrestricted
Dan Gadzuric, New York Knicks – $0.1 million – Unrestricted

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good ole dawg-hole and the fresh ideas he brings by repeating “44 years of playoff frutility” 50 times a day …

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Northcyde is the pot head of the day.

Spud was much much better then stupid as teague…. that stupid mother fcker teague is just dumb

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its hard to believe that all those centers on the list that are equal to or better than Al is making Millions less than Al. Millions. Al is way overpaid. Why in the hell would I give any player a 1,000,000 per point average and 1,000,000 per 0.66 per rebound average. What a wastes of money.

Quite a few player on that list whooped Al’s as for Millions less.

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Teague and Al are 2 projects we need to move away from. Like a care that keep costing more and more money. Dump it. You arent going to get a championship trying to get to projects to lead your team. You will for every be a project team.

Dump these two projects and move on to more impacting players like Josh and JJ.

Quit with the statistic pimping and misrepresentations.

for get taking some players 5 best minutes and projecting that accross 42 minutes and say look at this efficiency. Al is just a 12 pt 8 rebound average Al and teague is an idiot. Lets just move on.

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Josh is wasting good years waiting on projects like teague and al to wise up and up their games. Josh, it aint happening. Those to scrubs will always be scrubs. if the hawks dont put the right pieces around you to win a championship than demand to be traded.

I wont blame you at all. You cant compete with Al and Teague projects.

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Don’t understand the anti-Horford sentiment on this board…he is the one guy here you can build a team around.

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2009 – 10 Hawks efficiency rank by position

PG – Bibby ( 40 ) . . . #179 overall
SG – Johnson ( 5 ) . . #37 overall
SF – Marvin ( 23 ) . . . #142 overall
PF – Smith ( 7 ) . . . . #18 overall
C – Horford ( 6 ) . . . . #22 overall

SG – Jamal ( 17 ) . . . #99 overall

Three top 40 players . . Four top 100 players on this squad. If we were a little stronger at PG and SF . . or . . if we had more of a defensive mindset, this would be the type of team that could be part of the “Detroit Model”.

Woody did right in limiting the playing time to his top 8 players on his squad. A case could be made for Teague possibly being used a lot more, but Jamal was playing good basketball at this time, and Woody was opting to go with him.

I still say a Pau Gasol for Josh Smith and Marvin Williams is the way to go, if the Hawks want to balance this team out more.

My 2012 – 13 projected efficiency numbers for the Hawks if that trade is made

PG – Teague ( 14 ) . . #64 overall
G – Johnson ( 4 ) . . . #45 overall
SF – ????
PF – Gasol ( 5 ) . . . #10 overall
C – Horford ( 4 ) . . . #18 overall

With all of the talk of Pau Gasol in decline, the facts are that he’s been in the top 10 in efficiency in the league since 2008 and a top 20 efficiency player since 2005. Those are facts. And I don’t see that changing one bit if he were brought to the Hawks. He’s going to shoot a high percentage. He’s going to rebound the basketball. And he’s going to play good position defense on the man he is guarding.

All of those are facts.

And I still say that part of Teague’s problem not only has to do with Drew, it has to do with Josh Smith. Just like the departure of Jamal Crawford enabled Teague to take more control of the PG position, moving Josh enables Teague to become a more impactful and efficient player on the offensive end. His assists would go up because he’d be passing the ball to 2 of the best mid-range shooting big men in the league.

His shooting % would go up as well, with him being able to get the ball from defensive rebounds and by teams not doubling him, with JJ, Horford, and Gasol being offensive threats.

The only thing to figure out then, is who to play at SF. We could draft one, but we’d also need one via free agency. If we’re following the “Detroit Model”, the SF will probably have to be one who can play defense, while providing timely offense. Not too much to choose from, judging from that free agent list. So maybe we just get a shooter/defender, but don’t rely on him for major minutes.

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“I still say a Pau Gasol for Josh Smith and Marvin Williams is the way to go, if the Hawks want to balance this team out more.”

northcyde, now that is a fantasy trade. Sund can’t even redo the Bibby deal to get Marvin out of here. His contract is that bad.

IMO, Marvin is more than worth amnesty provisioning if the 7 dwarfs had any interest in moving forward. They aren’t going to say it for Joe; he’s not going to be dropped for no return. Sund’s creativity has killed this team for another 2 seasons minimum. I believe it was BuddyG who stated that earlier.

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Indiana beat a horrid Orlando team and were decent against Miami. But they aren’t at any level to boast about. They will sell tickets, but they have a lot of upcoming questions too. Hibbert just wants to play nice and get that LT deal, but I would let him go get an offer that has to be matched.

I like us as much as I like Indiana. They are 2-3 starters away from contending also.

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I found this rating that tells us how well the Hawks have drafted over the years 1989-2008, some of the worse years this franchise has seen since coming to Atlanta:

http://www.82games.com/bestdraftingteams.htm

If you don’t want to be disgusted, don’t view this…..and this is BEFORE Sund!

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@ BigWad . . . it’s easy just to throw something like that out there. The real question is . . what center in the league fits that description, and if that team would trade that center for JJ and Marvin?

The only trade that even close to fitting that description, is a trade with Dallas that sends JJ for Shawn Marion and Brendan Haywood.

If you want to tank and remake the team, that’s the type of trade you do. And while Shawn may still give you decent production at the level of a Marvin, Haywood has turned into complete garbage since getting that contract.

But if you truly wanted to get rid of JJ’s contract, that’s the type of deal you’d do.

PG – Teague
SG – ???? ( 1st round pick )
SF – Smith ( I guess with JJ gone, people would want Smith @ SF )
PF – Horford
C – Zaza

6th – Marvin
7th – ??? ( would have to be a guard )
8th – Marion
9th – Haywood
10th – ??? ( probably another guard )

No immediate relief though.

Marion + Haywood would make 17 million next year . . and 18 million the next ( Shawn’s final year, so he could be traded off ). Haywood would still have a year left on his deal until his player option of 10.5 million comes up in the summer of 2015.

If Dallas failed to get Deron Williams this summer, I could definitely see Cuban trading for a player like JJ and dumping Marion and Haywood on us.

Dallas could then roll with Dirk, JJ, and a re-signed Jason Terry as their core for the next 2 years. And they’d still be under the cap enough to go get a player or two. And of course the Mavs wouldn’t be shy about using their exceptions and going into the Luxury Tax to fill the rest of the roster

PG – Beubois
G – ???
F – Johnson
PF – Nowitzki
C – ???

Cuban is the type that would rather swap and switch out parts, instead of blow it up. Even with a “declining Dirk” ( down to #22 in efficiency overall from #11 last year ), he wouldn’t blow it up until he’s for certain that it is the end.

If he does blow it up, he’ll trade Dirk to an up and coming playoff team and won’t send Dirk to a bottom feeder. If Cuban coveted Josh Smith, would Hawk fans be in favor of a “declining Dirk” in exchange for Josh Smith and Marvin Williams?

PG – Teague
G – Johnson
F – ???
PF – Dirk
C – Horford

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Northlied, all of your trade scenarios keep Sorry As Al horford who is a very major part of the problem and clearly not part of the solution.

This shows that you are not thinking objectively but are looking for ways to salvage your favorite player. Al sorry Horford.

You lose credibility with me because you are not trying to make the hawks better, You are trying to keep your favorite player who is a scrub.

Its an better and easier trade to keep Josh who is a major talent and one of the best 3 power forwards in the game and trade our center Al for A better center Gasol, Howard, Bynum…etc.

You are wasting your ink dude You have zero credibility.

Perhaps we can trade you and Al for a center.

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mr. north/lied that was also a dumb move you supported in running woodson out of town to make way for Larry Drew.

You credibility with me is zero because you are only trying to help your favorite player and not make the hawks a better team

trade our center and get us a better center.

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“Don’t understand the all anti-Horford sentiment on this board…he is the one guy here you can build a team around.”

Yeah, if you are building your way to the lottery, or the injured list

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Rondo
Green
JJ
Smoove
Gasol

CHAMPIONSHIP AND AFFORDABLE

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Northcyde try and be fair. I understand that Al Horford is your favorite player, for what ever unknown reason. Be why dont you shoot out 3 or 4 real trade scenarios where you keep Josh and trade Al and upgrade the center position.

At least give the fake image that you are fair and impartial. It would make it look like you are trying to help the hawks instead of Al horford.

Right now its clear you are trying to make Al look as good as Josh which we all know he isnt.

Try to redeem your credibility.

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Grandad

June 10th, 2012
7:00 pm

Northcyde try and be fair. I understand that Al Horford is your favorite player, for what ever unknown reason. Be why dont you shoot out 3 or 4 real trade scenarios where you keep Josh and trade Al and upgrade the center position.

At least give the fake image that you are fair and impartial. It would make it look like you are trying to help the hawks instead of Al horford.

Right now its clear you are trying to make Al look as good as Josh which we all know he isnt.

Try to redeem your credibility.

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Fake Grandad . . it is what it is.

Al’s contract is not up. Al isn’t the one asking behind the scenes to be out of ATL.

Josh Smith is.

Would I trade Al Horford for Pau Gasol? Yep.

Would I trade Al + JJ for Dwight Howard? Yep. ( and would’ve done that last season involving ANY TWO of our “core” players )

Would I trade Al for Brook Lopez? Nope.

Would I trade Al for Deandre Jordan? Hell naw.

So there you go.

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“I don’t know where the rumors are coming from and neither does Josh,” Levenson said. “Josh said to me, `They’re not coming from me, Bruce. They’re not coming from my agent.”’

Read more here: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2012/03/14/1971223/atlanta-hawks-co-owner-bruce-levenson.html#storylink=cpy

They are coming from NorthLied an Michael Cunningham

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“This is Josh’s team.”

LOL Josh quit on this team.

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PG – Teague
G – Johnson
F – Marvin
PF/C – Gasol
PF/C – Horford

C – Fab Melo
PF – Ivan

With Melo, we don’t have to worry about running plays for him. He’d essentially be a little quicker version of Jason Collins, who can defend his man, rebound, and block shots. Put him in the middle to enable Horford and Gasol to play PF for stretches in the game, and the Hawks would be straight. If you want to play small ball, play Ivan instead of Fab.

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