Assuming the favored Heat beat the Celtics tomorrow and advance to the Finals, it will add to the mountain of evidence suggesting the best way to build a championship team is to acquire elite players.
Yeah, I know: radical statement. But before you lump me with Captain Obvious, remember it’s at odds with the “Detroit model” currently favored by the Hawks.
My view is that there are two kinds of NBA teams–those with top 10 players, and those without–and everything an organization does should be in an attempt to be the former rather than the latter. The Hawks’ view is that they can build a team with three not-quite-elite talents and keep knocking at the door until they become championship contenders.
That’s assuming the Hawks do have aspirations of winning an NBA championship, something that’s not always clear. The franchise often seems more preoccupied with dinging its critics and demanding credit for its successes (and there are many) than raising the bar. That perception is fueled by superficial-but-telling tendencies (such as statements boasting about making the playoffs) and the embrace of a team-building philosophy that rarely leads to a championship.
In a league where superstars contend for titles, the Hawks have tried to do it without one.
“It is going to be very hard for us to get that MVP candidate unless you pick one or two [in the draft],” Rick Sund said last summer. “Or unless you happen to have … free-agent money, to get one in free agency. It’s going to be tough, so we are going to have to do it the hard way.”
The Detroit model certainly is that.
There have been 62 NBA championship teams since 1950, and 57 those teams placed at least one player on one of the top two All-NBA teams in the season they won it. In fact, only 15 of those champions failed to have at least one player voted first team All-NBA (a third five-man All-NBA team was added starting with the 1988-89 season).
Furthermore, only 10 of 62 finals runner-up teams failed to have at least one player considered among the top 10 in the league. That means just 15 of 124 teams to make the finals — 12 percent — did so without a player voted to be among the league’s 10 best.
The Heat or Thunder would add to those totals while the Celtics would not. And chances are if Boston advances it’s because Kevin Garnett or Paul Pierce once again rekindle their form from the recent past and/or Rajon Rondo plays to the level that has him on track to reach top 10 status.
The Hawks tried to do build a contender the way the Thunder have done it. They executed the first part of the plan by getting bad enough to get a chance at a high draft pick and lucky enough to land one. The second and most important part, drafting the right players, didn’t go so well.
Making the wrong pick hurts, but it happens. Worse is that instead of cutting their losses and turning Marvin Williams et al into assets they could use to take a shot at acquiring an elite player, the Hawks doubled down. And instead of using Joe Johnson to acquire more assets (draft picks, relatively cheap and productive players, cap space) that hey could parlay into a top 10 player, the Hawks gave him the richest deal in the league.
Now the Hawks aren’t projected to have real cap space until after next season, by which time Josh Smith and Zaza Pachulia could be gone, Johnson will be a year older and they’ll have no more than four players under contract. Tough to get an elite talent and complementary players with $15 million or so in cap space.
I understand the calls for a new coach as the answer with this group of Hawks. Sometimes, though, I think that’s the most popular thing because it’s easier to change coaches than acquire a top 10 player. I’d rather have the elite talent–Scott Brooks just beat Gregg Popovich and I’ll go out on a limb and say that had more to do with OKC’s two top 10 players to San Antonio’s one than any Thunder coaching advantage.
The Hawks could try to trade for an established top 10 player. There’s precedent for this with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Julius Erving (who was actually “sold” to the 76ers by the Nets), Tiny Archibald, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley and Jason Kidd.
Going that route would almost certainly mean the Hawks would have to trade away part of the proverbial “core” and perhaps take a step back in the short term. My feeling is this is less likely to happen if Sund returns as GM. After a season in which injuries legitimately hurt their chances to advance in the playoffs, the Hawks under Sund probably would stay the course.
That’s a defensible position insofar as it keeps a good team intact. It’s not a proven plan as far as contending for a championship, unless you believe Johnson, Josh Smith, or Al Horford can be top 10 players next season. Essentially, the best way for the Hawks to become true championship contenders is for one of their players to be good enough to transcend the Detroit model.
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
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Barry Sanders
June 12th, 2012
4:06 pm
It would be very boring and wed lose too many games if we were stuck with boring 1 dimensional mechanical Al Horford.
Dawg
June 12th, 2012
4:09 pm
I would trade JJ for Gasol. That would be 2 years less of salary cap He_ _.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
Yeah, I’d do Joe for Gasol for salary reasons alone, but I would then try to flip Gasol for Dwight. I have no interest in building this team around Gasol. He isn’t going to take this team anywhere significant.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 12th, 2012
4:21 pm
Or, for that matter, flip Gasol for Elton Brand’s expiring contract + young players (Evan Turner? Vucevic?) + picks.
Barry Sanders
June 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
This is Josh’s House Northlied
We are Josh’s fans.There are more of us than Al fans no matter how many Josh fans you block from this web site.
Al sucks
Snap
June 12th, 2012
4:26 pm
This is not a team you “build” from scatch. This is now an intermediate team you and pieces and pivot off your key players, Like Josh and JJ.
Role players like Al is what you trade to compliment the Joshs’ and JJs’
Dawg
June 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
The thing about this entire discussion is that the Hawks are not following any “model”. The owners are simply going through the motions as cheaply as possible until the Hawks are sold. There is no long range plan, there is no attempt to improve.
Why keep a coach before securing a GM? Horrible, Horrible management The people on this blog put more effort into planning for this team than the management.
Wouldn’t it be great to still have the 2nd second round pick for this deep draft. We could possible bundle it with the other 2nd and move up a few spots to get another prospect.
Ray
June 12th, 2012
4:33 pm
No you trade away people like Joe Choke Max Johnson because looking at this past year our SO CALLED MVP pulled a Houdini out of his ass. Not as bad as Marvin The Duck Williams, but it was noticeable.
I Repeat Al Horford and Josh Smith are the key to our futures Joe Johnson is not you can find another SG like Monta Ellis and Kevin Martin or even draft one for that matter.
Trade Joe’s butt to Milwaukee and get that #12 pick and get Meyers Leonard with #23 pick up John Jenkins or Jeff Taylor.
If they find some way to dump Marvin’s butt off at Cleveland for the #24 pick up Teague’s little brother is my choice.
Snap
June 12th, 2012
4:36 pm
Marv+Al = Gasol
Teague
TBA
JJ
Josh
Gasol
Herman Cain
June 12th, 2012
4:39 pm
Al Horford is a role player and doesnt have the necessary skills to take over a game Like Josh or JJ. The only thing Al takes over is the injury list.
MajikMan
June 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
LOL at the nutcase who thinks the Magic want Horford. Did you not see the playoffs last year? Hell, if Ryan Anderson and Brandon Bass can shut his ass down, why would we trade for him?
There’s a lot of fantasy goin’ on with this blog. Dwight ain’t coming here, boys and girls. There’s not enough talent on your roster, and what little you have would have to be in on the trade, and then there would be nothing left to compete. Don’t you think that if Josh is the best player on your team, it would take Josh being part of the trade? You are totally out of touch with reality if you think the Magic would take Horford, and not demand Josh instead.
This blog is always good for a laugh. Which we need since we’ll be losing Dwight all too soon. But at least we have ownership that tries to compete. Y’all just wanna be first rounders in the playoffs.
Astro Joe
June 12th, 2012
5:08 pm
Ray, who called Joe our MVP?
Rod from College Park
June 12th, 2012
5:15 pm
“LOL at the nutcase who thinks the Magic want Horford. Did you not see the playoffs last year? Hell, if Ryan Anderson and Brandon Bass can shut his ass down, why would we trade for him?”
Glad somebody else remembers that. I surely do. Then he got owned by Noah, and the gnag in the next series. But he is Al star Al. He can’t do any wrong. LOL
KevinM
June 12th, 2012
5:17 pm
Would Doc have any interest in Joe? If he comes back, it puts them at 55M in cap with all the current resources in place.
They do need a replacement for Ray-Ray.
I always said I would never deal with LA or Boston because they usually get the upper hand in any deal. I would take any large TPE to move Joe to Boston as it gives us flexibility.
Would we deal a 6 time all-star back to his original team and let him play with Rondo? If KG retires, they need some star power in that lineup.
DawgNole
June 12th, 2012
5:26 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
June 12th, 2012
2:47 pm
“As opposed to a mobile corpse?”
Have you not seen Weekend at Bernie’s?
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Just givin’ you a little free grief, Naj. And no, I have not seen Weekend at Bernie’s.
Grandad
June 12th, 2012
5:31 pm
Rim Protectors:
On the basis of recent Athletic Testing Analysis
Conducted during the combibe;
I`ve begun to sort out specific data – position specific.
Rim Protector is not a position within itself;
however, `tis a need of each and every team.
Moreover, that need can be filled by the Center [primarily]
the [4], in some cases even a [3], or a combination of all.
[r.e. Miami]
Some folks look strictly at hgt / others wingspan / or combination.
Myself;
I prefer two standards along with hgt:
standing reach -&- no step vertival reach
The absolute most essential ATA in my opinion is
[no step vert rch]
This combines hgt, wing-span, even hand length,
plus standing reach, & no step vert leap.
*[no step vert because most times a sht blckr goes straight up]
Now:
1. Festus Ezeli = 11-10
2. Andre Drummond = 11.9
3. Perry Jones = 11.8
4. Arnett Moultrie = 11.8
5. Fab Melo = 11.75
6. Miles Plumlee = 11.75
7. Harrison Barnes = 11.75
8. Bernard James = 11.65
9. Quincy Acy = 11.65
10. Kyle O`Quinn = 11.6
11. Meyers Leonard = 11.6
I cut it off @ 11. 6 and there was one notable Rim Protector missing.
John Henson’s standing vertical was so poor that he was well below
what should have been expected.
*Miles Plumlee – has been a revelation
*Festus Ezeli – stand vert was higher than max vert
*Harrison Barnes – will possibly be drafted # 2
*Quincy Miller – was lower than Quincy Acy
*Henry Sims – was a Huge disappointment
*Ty Zeller – was low as well**
*Jeff Taylor – was above both Sims & Zeller
*Good for Savannah Ga. native & war vet Bernard James !
Grandad
June 12th, 2012
5:33 pm
obviously ‘combine’
-not-
c o n b i [b] e
Michael Cunningham
June 12th, 2012
5:39 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.