Atlanta Hawks: Season Review: Jason Collins
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One of the Hawks’ odd organizational quarks is the insistence that Jason Collins is more than a specialist best suited for a narrowly defined role. Perhaps even weirder is how often that line of thinking has worked out for them . . . until it doesn’t.
Consider the 2012 playoffs. Larry Drew’s decision to start Collins against the Celtics in Game 1 seemed foolhardy but Collins had probably his best performance of the season in Game 1. He not only played good defense against Kevin Garnett but added six points and five rebounds in 32 minutes.
Collins’ production dropped off in Game 2 but his on-court, off-court was positive even as it became apparent Boston would focus more on attacking him with screen-rolls. Collins was OK in Game 3 but Drew’s faith in him had diminishing returns as Garnett abandoned his strange insistence on posting up Collins.
That Drew stuck with Collins as long as he did is an example of his tendency to give a long leash to veterans who have done anything positive for him in the past regardless of the negative things they are doing at the present (or, for that matter, the limitations suggested by their long-term history). That’s not to say the Hawks had any great options in the front court, especially after Ivan Johnson’s shaky outing in Game 2, but best to try something different when what you are using isn’t working.
I offer these critiques while acknowledging I thought it was a bad idea for the Hawks to bring back Collins in 2010-11. It seemed absurd that part of the reason the Hawks parted ways with Mike Woodson was because he didn’t play Collins enough minutes against the Magic in the 2010 playoffs. But it turned out Collins was a key part of the Dwight Defense in 2011. I also thought playing Collins significant minutes against the Celtics was a mistake but his play in Games 1 and (most of) 2 showed that he could help in small doses.
But if I’ve undervalued Collins at times, the Hawks continue to overvalue him. He’s still a solid post defender in certain matchups, though there’s evidence he’s slipping in that area: According to Synergy Sports Technology, this season Collins allowed .84 points per possession in 32 chances (141st in the league). His defensive on-court, off-court magic subsided even as his opponent PER was respectable.
Those defensive numbers (which, mind you, were accumulated in circumstances most favorable to Collins) would have to be much better to compensate for Collins’ career-long lack of offensive production and poor efficiency for a big man. There’s also the matter of Collins missing six weeks with an elbow injury, though that development had the effect of freeing up frontcourt minutes for Johnson.
Word is the Hawks will extend a tender to Johnson (as soon as they get around to putting a permanent GM in place) which probably would be enough to keep him. Perhaps that also would mean the end of the occasionally-fruitful-most-times-perplexing Collins era for the Hawks.
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Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
2:30 pm
Oh yeah, and once they built their CP3-Joe-Iguodala-Josh core group in the summer of 2005 and almost certainly made the playoffs in 2005-06, their first round pick would still probably have been high enough for them to pick Rondo or Lowry in 2006. Imagine having one of them as your backup point guard and what a trade asset that would be.
Ra'mon
June 7th, 2012
2:43 pm
Every small market team is built on luck to a degree. Look at San Antonio. They were a playoff team. And the next season Robinson gets hurt for the entire season almost. And they win the lottery, to draft the greatest skilled big man to enter the draft since Lou Alcinder. If Robinson never gets hurt, Duncan would end up playing for a team similar to the Clippers or Charlotte Hornets. The lottery is luck. And think about it, if OKC ends up with the number one pick that year, they take Oden and not Durant. Now could you imagine Portland with Roy (who would still be playing because he would’ve had more help), Durant, and Aldridge being a three headed monster?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
2:43 pm
Or, alternatively, they could have traded Al Harrington and their ‘06 first rounder to Chicago the following summer for Tyson Chandler, who instead got traded to New Orleans for PJ Brown and JR Smith that summer. They had the cap space at the time to absorb Chandler’s salary.
PG CP3
SG Joe
SF Iguodala
PF Josh
C Chandler
Bench Zaza and filler
That is a championship contender right there, and it was entirely feasible just by nailing the ‘04 and ‘05 lottery picks. They wouldn’t have had their ‘07 first rounder because of the Joe trade, but they would have kept their ‘08 first rounder because they wouldn’t have had to make the Bibby trade. Of course the DASG would have had to go into the luxury tax by that point to keep that team together, but I have a feeling ATL fans would have liked that team a hell of a lot better than the real life one, and the DASG’s revenue stream would have been enough to justify going into the tax.
O'Brien
June 7th, 2012
2:59 pm
From Mark Bradley, who sees what we see;
The Hawks went from 13-69 in 2004-2005 to being good enough to win a playoff series three years running. The Thunder have taken the Hawks’ build-via-the-draft method and done it better, adding needed pieces (Perkins last year, veteran guard Derek Fisher this time) as they went.
For all their progress, the Hawks have been unable to override Billy Knight’s picks of guys named Williams in consecutive drafts and, more recently, to overcome a front office that deals in half-measures..
“We had to wait our turn,” Durant told reporters after OKC, which lost to Dallas in the Western Conference finals last season, eliminated San Antonio on Wednesday. Which sounded kind of funny, given that Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka and Durant himself are all younger than Jeff Teague, who’s the Hawks’ youngest starter.
So what happened to the Hawks’ turn? Has it come and gone? Is this all there is?.
http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2012/06/07/the-hawks-were-there-first-the-thunder-have-done-it-better/?cxntfid=blogs_mark_bradley_blog/
SteveW
June 7th, 2012
3:17 pm
Najeh- What did you tweet Jim Rome? He said it was pornographic, and he wouldn’t read it on air.
I’m not joking – 2:57 PM today on the radio
cdog
June 7th, 2012
3:26 pm
with rick sund the hawks are doomed.they won”t get any better but worse.injuries are no excuse. sund is terrible but you get what you pay for.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
June 7th, 2012
3:29 pm
Woody should share the blame in a series of bad lottery picks. Didn’t they pick Sheldon Williams without bringing him in for a pre-draft workout?
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
3:34 pm
“What did you tweet Jim Rome? He said it was pornographic, and he wouldn’t read it on air.
I’m not joking – 2:57 PM today on the radio”
Huh? I definitely didn’t tweet anything to Jim Rome.
KevinM
June 7th, 2012
3:37 pm
A GM that is hedging on coming back for one more ‘hurrah’
A coach who gets a one year deal.
Talk about your building us for the long haul. You give management one year deals and players 5 year deals.
What am I missing here? This is how you build a contender?
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
3:43 pm
Not that anyone wants to hear this… but how many teams have been successful with this whole “building through the draft” strategy? I mean, surely the Hawks and Thunder aren’t the only teams in the NBA who have had 3-5 years of consecutive lottery picks in the past 10 years. If it is so easy that even a casual fan could get this right, then why haven’t we seen success from all of those others franchises that have tried this method?
OK, you may now resume your fanatic rantings.
KevinM
June 7th, 2012
3:43 pm
Be honest, based on last year’s moves, is there anyone here who has a 1/2 way opinion on the success of the Hawks…we couldn’t have done just as good a job as Sund?
What did he actually accomplish last year? Which of these guys were coveted by other teams?
McGrady
Collins
Green
Pargo
Radmonivic
Johnson
Stackhouse
Dampier
The old excuse is Sund doesn’t like to make in-season changes, yet here we are and there is no long range plan. My guess is the Hawks are for sale and its almost time for the action block.
No way you go this route when you are acting like you want to contend.
What happens if Miami loses tonight? How many Hawks supporters are going to come on here and say how they would have never tried to build the Heat the way Riley did? Oh, its coming.
northcyde
June 7th, 2012
3:45 pm
PG – Teague . . ( 20th in efficiency at PG in 2012 )
G – Johnson . . ( 4th in efficiency at SG in 2012 )
F – ????? ( Jeff Taylor – Vandy )
PF – Gasol . . ( 3rd in efficiency at PF in 2012 )
C – Hoford . . ( 4th in efficiency at C in 2011 )
The only question mark in that potential lineup, is who we would get to fill Marvin’s spot. Do we go with a cheap veteran, or a young guy in the draft?
Gasol and Horford are interchangable at the PF and C positions and would give you two top level players on the frontline.
The dependence on ISO Joe at the end of games disappears with this lineup, while making him possibly a more efficient player and scorer.
The perimeter defense improves with this group, lessening the burden off of the frontline to cover for guard mistakes.
The potential for Teague to develop into a true PG ( or at least a more efficient scoring PG ) gets better with this group.
Too bad the ASG is too “chicken” to do something BOLD for once.
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
3:47 pm
And by success, I mean being a perrennial playoff team. Because that is the first step to win a championship. I’m not sure that any team has gone from lottery-land one year to champion the next (maybe the Spurs with Duncan as a rookie?). It is a process, not a made-for-TV drama.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
June 7th, 2012
3:50 pm
FIRE SUND
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
3:53 pm
Interesting article about the NBA. Not that I agree entirely, but I’m sure the old folks who post here will agree.
Grandad
June 7th, 2012
3:53 pm
On Pendergraph coveting Tony Wroten:
Wroten has probably dropped into the 2nd round:
Two scouting reports I dug up;
1. his shot – he couldn`t hit water if he fell out of a boat
2. he`s a bad teammate
Pendergraph may trade josh for a higher pick …
just to ensure he gets him !
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
3:54 pm
“but how many teams have been successful with this whole “building through the draft” strategy? I mean, surely the Hawks and Thunder aren’t the only teams in the NBA who have had 3-5 years of consecutive lottery picks in the past 10 years. If it is so easy that even a casual fan could get this right, then why haven’t we seen success from all of those others franchises that have tried this method?”
Because they screwed up. Just because a team executes a play poorly doesn’t mean the play is designed poorly. Similarly, just because a team screws up trying to build through the draft doesn’t mean building through the draft is not the right strategy.
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
3:56 pm
northcyde, I like Pietrus to add to your line-up. Someone who combines exceptional perimeter defense with the ability to knock down open shots. He made the minimum last season and may want more. He is very good when healthy but is rarely healthy. Your line-up will require another guy to stretch the defense (and optimize Gasol in the post). Rasual Butler is another name, although he has fantasies of being Jamal Crawford andf shooting everytime down the court. I wonder if Grant Hill could be convinced to join that roster?
cp
June 7th, 2012
3:56 pm
Yea Clyde they did. It was bad enough the Hawks drafted Sheldon without working him out but it was known almost a month before the draft that the Hawks would be taking him.
@northycyde. I wasnt a big fan of Taylor’s but after seeing him at the combine today I’m slowly changing my mind. He shoots a lot better than I thought he would. I wonder what his measurements are going to be tomorrow.I want Harkless but its no way he will fall down to the Hawks. I also like Quincy Miller but its going to take some time for him to develop. Taylor could probably come in and contribute from day 1.
Grandad
June 7th, 2012
3:57 pm
Here`s my Arnett Moultrie Scouting Report:
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Arnett Moultrie
6-11, good frame, looks to be 230 or more
I`ve watched some workout tape on him
Lot`s of things to like.
His motor is questionable.
Miss. St. players do ~Not~ tend to translate well to the NBA.
Rick Stansbury is a very good friend of mine,
This causes me disappointment.
He takes in strays – but does not – keep his thumb on them.
Moultrie has a very good skill set
Hits the mid-range easily
Scored well in college /// rebounded even Better !
-so-
Rebounding may be his strong suit
However;
He does not blk many shots
W/O seeing the measureables, it`s hard to tell,
-but-
He may not be blessed with –Great length- [wing span]
Other than that;
No reason for being a (non-shot-blkr).
Comparison = looks like LaMarcus Aldridge
However;
I had a player once:
“ looked like Tarzan, played like Jane “ ?
So he could end up … Charlie Villanueva
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More to Come !
KevinM
June 7th, 2012
3:58 pm
AJ, how was Boston the year prior to Garnett and Allen joining Rondo and Pierce?
That might be a lottery to champion example.
Boston is not really good at drafting; they are better at trades.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
3:58 pm
“The only question mark in that potential lineup, is who we would get to fill Marvin’s spot. Do we go with a cheap veteran, or a young guy in the draft?”
The only kind of cheap veteran possible is one who will take a minimum salary. They will have $12 million to fill the remaining 11 roster spots. So either they nail the starting SF spot down with the 1st rounder, or T-Mac better go to Kobe’s German doctor.
I can think of some other questions, too. Who guards Dwight? Who guards Bynum? When Gasol goes up against physical defenders who punk him and make him crawl back into his shell, who creates shots? Who helps on interior D? Can Al overcome the emotionless passivity of Gasol and Joe to lead this team despite having the ball in his hands less than three other players on the court?
“The perimeter defense improves with this group, lessening the burden off of the frontline to cover for guard mistakes.”
Huh? In what way is Gasol a better perimeter defender than Josh? In what way is Gasol better at ANYTHING on D than Josh?
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
3:59 pm
Najeh, where did I suggest building through the draft is the wrong strategy? My point, to be perfectly clear, is that it is hard and more teams get it wrong than right. Relatively speaking, we’ve been better at it than all but one team (from what I can tell). I suspect the T’wolves may pass us by (mostly because of Adelman), but I don’t honestly see any other team on the horizon who will be better at executing the strategy.
northcyde
June 7th, 2012
4:02 pm
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
3:43 pm
Not that anyone wants to hear this… but how many teams have been successful with this whole “building through the draft” strategy? I mean, surely the Hawks and Thunder aren’t the only teams in the NBA who have had 3-5 years of consecutive lottery picks in the past 10 years. If it is so easy that even a casual fan could get this right, then why haven’t we seen success from all of those others franchises that have tried this method?
OK, you may now resume your fanatic rantings.
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LOL.
Truth be told, the only time completely blowing things up ever works, is if you happen to draft a true superstar in the draft. And that superstar player usually produces right away.
Ask Golden St, Chicago after Jordan/Pippen retired, Washington, Charlotte, Minnesota and others if the “blow-up” works.
It only works when you draft that superstar, and then you can construct the team around that superstar. And even then, it may not work, depending on what teams that superstar has to go through.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
4:03 pm
Boston acquired Pierce through the draft, Rondo through the draft, Ray Allen by trading a lottery pick, and KG by trading a player they drafted just outside the lottery.
San Antonio acquired Duncan through the draft, Parker through the draft, and Ginobili through the draft.
Generally speaking, contending teams are built either by using draft picks or trading draft picks/young players for established players. Draft picks with trade value cannot be acquired without bottoming out and hitting the lottery. Contending teams are almost never built by trading established players for other established players, aka shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Blow it up. No lateral moves.
northcyde
June 7th, 2012
4:06 pm
No time to debate with Najeh right now, because I have to go to work
Jeff Taylor was an elite perimeter defender on the college level. He + Teague + JJ makes our perimeter defense better.
Gasol guards Howard, along with a host of other big men. That’s how you guard Howard, by throwing multiple people at him. Here’s the question though . . does Gasol score on, or get Howard in foul trouble? He’s good enough to do just that.
Increase Horford’s role on the team, and he will respond.
Increase Teague’s role on the team, and he will respond.
I’d rather roll with the team I cited, than to simply give up . . blow it up . . and wait 5 years for us to be even at 2nd round playoff level again.
Hell . . we all could be dead in 5 years. I’d rather try to win now.
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
4:07 pm
Kevin, yeah, you’re probably right. But they certainly didn’t do it through the draft… they leveraged a relationship between former teammates (Ainge and McHale). Even then, they traded a potential All-Star in Al Jefferson (that was his projection back then) as well as a top 5 pick to pull all of that off. And even then, it actually worked because of the players they acquired, a super-smart Ray Allen who readily put his ego in check to win a title and a super-determined KG who willingly accepted the “Secretary of Defense” role and didn’t compete with Pierce as the offense’s focal point. Too often, we don’t consider the impact of personalities when fantasizing about roster composition (like suggesdting that Josh would be okay with a rookie assuming the top scoring role on this team. I bet Teague hollered if he read that one).
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
4:13 pm
“Chicago after Jordan/Pippen retired”
Chicago traded Elton Brand, passed on Gasol for Eddy Curry, and lost their potential franchise point guard to a motorcycle accident.
“Charlotte”
Charlotte drafted Adam Morrison #3 overall, traded a pick for Jason Richardson instead of using it on Joakim Noah, drafted DJ Augustin instead of Brook Lopez or Roy Hibbert, and drafted Gerald Henderson over Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague, and Jrue Holiday.
“Washington”
Too early to pass judgment on them. They looked pretty good late in the season after McGee was traded, and it’s way too early to pass judgment on Vesely, Singleton, or the player they will pick this year.
“Minnesota ”
Minnesota made all kinds of idiotic moves after blowing it up and still managed to come away with future perennial All Stars at PG and PF who are each going to be terrific building blocks for them for the next ten years.
If you make dumb picks and/or suffer bad luck like what happened with Jay Williams, you are obviously going to pay the price. Doesn’t make the strategy bad, only the execution. Of course the draft is hit or miss, but I can point to the majority of contending teams and say they acquired their key players either through the draft or by trading high picks for key players. I cannot think of many contending teams at all who acquired their established key players by trading their own established key players. Very rarely do teams get better immediately by trading a good core player for another good core player.
A truly bold move is to blow it up. Trading one established player for an older, more overpaid, roughly equal established player is not bold. It is just a continuation of the status quo.
KevinM
June 7th, 2012
4:16 pm
AJ, you’re right. They didn’t do it through the draft. They did through the ‘potential’ of the draft.
Big difference and if I was a betting man, I would bet that the most active team in moving pieces would probably have been Boston in the last 10 years.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
4:18 pm
“Hell . . we all could be dead in 5 years. ”
This is more likely than Joe and Gasol leading a team to the Eastern Conference Finals.
Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
4:24 pm
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
The Charlotte Bobcats are shopping the second overall pick, according to multiple sources.
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Tough to picture the Hawks shipping Josh or Joe up I-85, as tempting as it may sound depending on how much you like Beal or MKG.
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
4:24 pm
Najeh, I agree with you about utilizing the draft to build a true contender. Heck, BK had that idea about 10 years ago… it isn’t a new one. But that ain’t happening and I have long since left that fantasy behind. It is akin to saying I should leave my wife to chase Stacey Dash. It ain’t happening, but it sounds good.
So the most logical compromise (given that the decision makers have pretty clearly shown their commitment to the standard revenues they receive) is to try and acquire the best fit among available top-notch players or find a team that needs to cross the lottery/playoff line and try to steal a potential up and comer (like Derrick Williams). I’ve moved on to viable compromises because the whole “blow it up thing” is akin to yelling at the rain (or bemoaning a 6 year-old draft).
doc
June 7th, 2012
4:25 pm
yeah, al, najed northcyde et al, as i pointed out in the bradley blog this model of success is a tough one to pull off. chicago had the first shot at it with two early first rounders and started with the twin towers of curry, a mistake, and chandler who they should have kept forever and still couldnt make it work.
this model of blowing it up is very flawed but we had a chance. of course, the flaw is in the picking either when you pick or in picking the right ones as we didnt or the right mix of players ala golden state, washington, chicago, etc. or injuries as blazers found out before the okc have come close to the promised land. not even the spurs did it by blowing it up but by getting lucky on when they don turned and when you could lose to get the top pick if you lost well enough.
usually, you do it the old fashion way, buy it or steal it in barter which can be a draft pick in a trade. see lakers and celts in ‘79 or did they finish bad enough to have earned those two draft picks? dont think so.
still the only thing that pulled the hawks through this at all was having the three pick in the lottery where al fell in our laps or we wouldnt have had any pick that year. if we had had the two bk might have choked that one too and still picked al over durant. no frigging sure bet there, eh hawks fans? heh heh
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
4:29 pm
I’m a Thomas Robinson fan. I’m not sure which forward position he will play… but that dude is NICE and appears to have that passion I’ve been waxing about lately. He may only become another main ensemble player, but that would be another version of the “compromise” I just talked about. Instead of drafting someone who will take 3 years to find his elbow (in hopes that once he finds it he becomes a top 10 player), draft a guy who looks like he can step right in and contribute (with much lower upside). Again, this ownership group isn’t willing to buy a few million lottery tickets in hopes of winning the big jackpot, they will lose too much revenue and team value by going that path.
KevinM
June 7th, 2012
4:29 pm
Boston drafts since Paul Pierce…it ain’t pretty:
YEAR RD #
2010 1 19 Bradley, AveryAvery Bradley University of Texas at Austin
2010 2 52 Harangody, LukeLuke Harangody University of Notre Dame
2009 2 58 Hudson, LesterLester Hudson University of Tennessee at Martin
2008 1 30 Giddens, J. R.J. R. Giddens University of New Mexico
2008 2 60 Erden, SemihSemih Erden Fenerbahçe Ülker (Turkey)
2007 1 5 Green, JeffJeff Green Georgetown University
2007 2 32 Pruitt, GabeGabe Pruitt University of Southern California
2006 1 7 Foye, RandyRandy Foye Villanova University
2005 1 18 Green, GeraldGerald Green Gulf Shores Academy
2005 2 50 Gomes, RyanRyan Gomes Providence College
2005 2 53 Greene, OrienOrien Greene University of Louisiana at Lafayette
2004 1 15 Jefferson, AlAl Jefferson Prentiss
2004 1 24 West, DelonteDelonte West Saint Joseph’s University
2004 1 25 Allen, TonyTony Allen Oklahoma State University
2004 2 40 Reed, JustinJustin Reed University of Mississippi
2003 1 16 Bell, TroyTroy Bell Boston College
2003 1 20 Jones, DahntayDahntay Jones Duke University
2003 2 56 Hunter, BrandonBrandon Hunter Ohio University
2002 2 49 Songaila, DariusDarius Songaila Wake Forest University
2001 1 10 Johnson, JoeJoe Johnson University of Arkansas
2001 1 11 Brown, KedrickKedrick Brown Okaloosa-Walton Community College
2001 1 21 Forte, JosephJoseph Forte University of North Carolina
2000 1 11 Moiso, JeromeJerome Moiso University of California, Los Angeles
2000 2 47 Sesar, JosipJosip Sesar KK Zagreb (Croatia)
1999 2 55 Clack, KrisKris Clack University of Texas at Austin
1998 1 10 Pierce, PaulPaul Pierce University of Kansas
Neither is my copy!
doc
June 7th, 2012
4:30 pm
najeh washington already jettisoned a few of its core pieces to get better as they didnt have the right mix. charlotte is just plain incompetent.
minny did it the best way. one we should have made sure was part of the package and still dont know why it never was. that was to find a big league professional coach with a resume and experience.
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
4:31 pm
doc, or BK could have chosen Yi, as I recall someone talked about him a bunch leading up to that draft.
SteveW
June 7th, 2012
4:32 pm
Najeh, if you can listen to Rome on the ‘net, on his show today, 1 or 2 minutes before he goes off the air he mentions you by name, except he said Najeh Davenport instead of ‘poop’.
That is beyond weird.
SteveW
June 7th, 2012
4:36 pm
I thought you must have tweeted/emailed something that was a little off color he called pornographic – said he knew where that was going.
Oh well – Maybe there is another guy called Najeh Davenport that I just assumed was you – there are 310 million people out there.
High-sider
June 7th, 2012
4:37 pm
“re: So you’d rather ‘afford’ Hinrich/MARVIN over Crawford? (high-sider)
Yup….Jamal shoots the ball alot, thereby he scores more than those two, but he gives up much more defensively….you can’t see that?” – donte0808
As a team member of the Hawks for two seasons [2009-2011], Jamal Crawford finished both regular seasons with individual aggregate +/- statistics of +256 and +4, respectively. It’s time to put an end to this [false] notion and idea that “Crawford gives up more points than he scores.” Crawford was also included in the [best] “top five-player [+/- statistical] combination[s]” for the Hawks for the regular seasons of 2009-2010 and 2010-2011, respectively.
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“…“Don’t forget to add your boy, Brad Davis, to “the list.””
Who is Brad Davis? What list?…” – Buddy Grizzard
You know your boy, Brad Davis. The guy [B. Davis] who the Mavericks spent millions [of dollars] trying to market to Dallas, TX and Fort Worth, TX basketball fans during the 1980’s. Go ahead and add him to your list of “Great _____ Hopes.” You know those guys who supposedly “can’t jump.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohq4FPXSX60
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“…“1. The Hawks get Emeka Okafor and the [2012] 10th pick.
2. The Hornets get Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia.”
Now who is smoking weed?…” – Buddy Grizzard
I thought a move or trade [such as the one above] that would allow the Hawks to rid itself of Marvin Williams would be welcomed on the blog. The deal gives the Hawks a [starting] center thereby moving Horford to PF and Josh Smith to SF.
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
4:39 pm
At 23, I like what I have been reading about the Vandy SF. Sounds like he is alrweady defensive minded and has a good shooting stroke. I have noticed that teams who draft players with strong defensive fundamentals late in the 1st round often find guys who can make an immediate contribution. And generally speaking, those guys (especially if they have good form) will become better shooters just because they will spend so much time shooting. Again, I’m talking about a draft strategy specific to the end of the first round… not what you do if drafting in the lottery/mid-first round. And it also happens to fill a glaring need on the team (an above average wing defender with knock-down open jumper capabilities). Of course, another tweener or project center is always good with me, too.
Astro Joe
June 7th, 2012
4:41 pm
SteveW, follow football much?
http://www.nfl.com/player/najehdavenport/2505121/profile
KevinM
June 7th, 2012
4:42 pm
“Najeh Davenpoop
June 7th, 2012
4:24 pm
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
The Charlotte Bobcats are shopping the second overall pick, according to multiple sources.
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Tough to picture the Hawks shipping Josh or Joe up I-85, as tempting as it may sound depending on how much you like Beal or MKG.”
Najeh, this is my offseason move that just makes sense for a team with no star and a team with no salary space.
And I would be content with letting Marvin play against 2nd teamers until his deal ran out. Just let him play Ken Norman type minutes.
Sund so screwed up that one.
Michael Cunningham
June 7th, 2012
4:43 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.